UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 173 The Ramifications of "The Age of Disclosure"

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

It's the movie everyone is talking about. In this special episode, Stephen Diener gives his full breakdown of the documentary that is shaking up the UFO conversation, "The Age of Disclosure." Now that it's out, what could it lead to? He explains why this could be the biggest moment within the UFO topic since 2017...Go to surfshark.com/UAP or use code UAP at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Of course, the new film that just came out from Dan Farah on Amazon Prime right now. I got to watch it over the weekend, and I'm going to have a full recap on that and the ramifications of what I think might be coming because of this documentary and also to go along with it, a little recap and kind of tie it all together from another interview that we heard over the weekend-ish was David Grush on Fox News with Brett Baer. So I'm going to tie that all together

with a couple of other things here today on this special episode of UAP to cover what we've seen, which I think is just to start off a seismic shift, in my opinion, on how this topic might be covered and looked at on the government levels, which would trickle down to the public coming up here in the near future. So there's a lot to get into there, starting with that clip you heard right there from the film. And that is kind of a simple way to illustrate what the messages that, you know, Dan Farah and everyone who is a part of this that he interviewed, that they were trying to get across.

in my opinion, after watching this, overwhelmingly, the message in this documentary is that all of this is real. Everything that we've spoken about here on the show and all the things that you've heard on, maybe other shows or documentaries or movies, it's all real. The government cover-up. You know, UFOs, the crash sites, the retrievals, the different intelligences. Everything that we've heard throughout the past and all of these stories, there is, truth to it. And that was really the big message that I got from this from start to finish.

This wasn't a, here's, it wasn't UAP, okay? Meaning we're going to give you the details of the story and let you decide. That's not what this was. This was, here's what's happening, time for you to catch up. And so I think it was really a great

explainer for anybody. It served two purposes overall. And we're going to get into a lot of clips here from the film and from interviews with Dan Farah and Lou Alizondo, so there's a lot to get to. But just again, my take on the overarching theme of the movie was twofold. Number one, if you're new to the topic, or if you've heard a little bit about it, but you're not really sure what's going on over the past, you know, eight to ten years, watch this because we're going to tell you exactly what's been happening

and how it's been hidden, why it's been hidden, and who's behind the hiding of the secret. So it's a great explainer for anybody who's just kind of interested in it, maybe in passing, maybe you've seen some different news clips, and you're like, oh, I wonder what's going on here. You've heard the name Lou Elizando, you've heard the name of David Grush, but you're not exactly sure what the deal is. This is a great documentary for anybody in that boat. It also serves as a clarion call to everybody else to say, we're getting this out there, whether you like it or not, and this is a stepping stone to the next steps in disclosure. So that was my take on this, really just that here's what's happening, time to catch up,

and also we're moving forward with or without you. It's time to get on board. Those are my two overall takes on this as I went through it. And obviously, a lot of names in this, if you've seen it, then you know. And if not, hopefully I'm not spoiling anything for it. but this, you know, recap review and the ramifications of it, because I do believe there are a lot of ramifications from this documentary. But of course, names like, you know, J. Stratton is in this, David Fravor, Ryan Graves, Marco Rubio, Kristen Gillibrand. I mean, there's Bob Salas,

Bob Jacobs. There's so many people in this film that Eric Davis and how put off played a huge role and I'll get to them a little bit later when what I thought was one of the highlights of the entire documentary came from Eric Davis and Howe Putoff. That was, that's my opinion. There's a lot of important stuff in here, I think, for all the reasons I already named. But there was a segment, about a five-minute segment in this movie with Howe Put-Off in Eric Davis that I believe could have been some of the most important minutes ever put on film from a UFO documentary, fictional movie, podcast, show, TV show, whatever you want to say.

there was five minutes from how put off in Eric Davis that I thought were so monumental that I have to get to that at some point here during this episode as well. So with all that said, the overall feel to kind of go along with that is that that I got was that disclosure really could be imminent. Like this, this felt like a huge stepping stone towards something new, towards something different, towards the next big step. And I think after watching this, that next big step is going to be some type of announcement. Maybe in the near future. I'm trying not to get excited myself or get you too excited. But that was the feel that I got. Now, whether or not that actually ends up happening is a completely different subject altogether.

But that was the feel that I got after watching this. That it feels like this was a setup for the next big step. And that this was a big domino to fall. And that's now we have to wait and see what other dominoes fall because of it. Now, that said, Lou Elizondo and Jay Stratton were the two big voices in this movie. They were also executive producers with Dan Farrow who directed it. But they were the two main voices that kind of drove the entire narrative. And that kind of leads into the first clip that I want to play here, which is actually from Lou Elizondo.

So he appeared on Chris Cuomo finally after this movie came out. And this is what he had to say. It's about a minute long here on the clip, so it's a little bit longer than normal. But I wanted to play the whole clip because there's three points that he makes during this clip here that I want to touch on after he's done. So this was Lou Elizondo just recently on with Chris Cuomo. To me personally, this movie was a bit like, forgive the cliche, but a bit like birthing an elephant. Three and a half years in the making. But look, when you're talking about getting over 30 separate senior officials, both on the legislative branch and in the executive branch, think about this, Chris.

Imagine eight years ago going up to, I don't know, a former director of national intelligence or a former director of CIA or a former secretary of defense and say, hey, by the way, we're doing this little documentary film. And we'd like to talk to you on the record about UFOs. They would laugh you right outside of the room. frankly, you probably don't tell the security not to let you back in at some point. So the times have changed significantly. And this took time. And if you notice when you watch the video and the movie here, there's a lot going on. You literally have someone admitting for the very first time, a very senior ranking official,

that in some cases, presidents and Congress are not briefed to some of these programs. Now, let that resonate for just a second, right? What does that mean to the American people? That is a, that is a, that's a holy cow moment. And I think if you want to, to provide a documentary that has information, rich with information like that and reveals like that, it takes time. And people have to get comfortable with who you are and really trust what it is you're trying to do. So again, three big points there from Lou. I know, again, a little bit longer, but I thought it was worth it to play the whole thing because the first thing he touched on was how long this took, right?

three and a half years from start to finish to make the film, to edit it, to get all the interviews, and to finally release it on Amazon Prime. And then he talks about the culture shift. I thought that was the big moment there, because the other thing he spoke about was the realization for the American public to know that presidents aren't briefed on this. Congress isn't briefed on this. Now, when I say presidents aren't briefed, we mean the over, like everything, right? They might, and we've heard that some, and this is going to be a big topic for it,

today actually when it comes to current presidents Trump. There's a lot said about him after this film, and we'll get to that from various voices, actually. But we know from different reports, whether or not you want to believe them, that different presidents have been briefed on the basics. Richard Nixon reportedly, Eisenhower, Truman, possibly Reagan as well, maybe one of the Bushes. Clinton wanted to, but there was only so much that they told him.

Trump and his first administration, which you're going to hear more about. So there's been different, possibly Obama, but there's always been kind of varying stories on that. But there's been different presidents briefed at different levels. But the fact that they are not briefed fully is something that they speak to a lot here during this documentary. And you'll hear a clip from Marco Rubio later talking about this, saying that, you know, this is something that they look at as plausible deniability. They don't feel like they need to be right on on this. Presidents don't need to be right in on this because you have career people who are in these positions for 20, 30, 40 years. And we've spoken about this before in the past.

They look at presidents or congressmen or women or senators as part-time employees. All right, you're only going to be there so long so you don't need to know. And that has, that's been going on for a long time. And that's pretty wild. So for people who have never heard that before to hear it now, for the first time from high-ranking officials. That's what Lou Elizondo was speaking to. And that goes to the culture shift within the government.

Not only a public culture shift. Obviously, we've seen over the past, you know, eight to 10 years the public interest on this grow and the awareness and the knowledge that, and the acknowledgement that something is obviously going on. Something is obviously being hidden from not only the American public, but from the population of the world. Because this isn't just an American theme, right? thing. This is a world thing. This is for, you know, adversaries and allies alike of the United

States who are keeping this secret cooperatively. That's something we just spoke about with Jordan Crowder recently, that this is a cooperative agreement that, you know, this is something that's not going to be told. China's not telling their citizens. Russia's not telling their citizens. The U.K. aren't telling their citizens and the U.S. aren't telling their citizens. But at the same time, the race is going on behind the scenes, which you're going to hear about. So just to see not only the public shift in the interest and the acknowledgement that something is happening, but that culture shift within government, that allows congressmen and women, that allows senators, that allows former, and in some cases, current intelligence

officials to come out and speak publicly in a film like this for the age of disclosure. to lose point, you wouldn't have seen that 10 years ago, but you're seeing it now. So that has to speak for something. That has to mean something, right? So with that in mind, I want to jump to this clip here from Dan Farrow. Now, all these clips have come from various shows over the past few days. I wanted to try to do my best to compile everything into a nice one little package here on this episode of UAP. And this clip comes from Dan Farrow where he was talking about it on a recent interview what Trump almost did in his first term.

So, you know, kind of with that in mind about the presidents, right, and what they're told and what they're not told, this is what apparently, according to Dan Farah, almost happened. And they talk about this in the age of disclosure. Here's Dan on that. One of the big reveals in the film is one of the most senior intelligence officials I interviewed, revealed that the Trump administration and his first administration contemplated going public with the base facts that he had learned,

which are the simple base fact that we're not alone in the universe. And he was contemplating, stepping to the microphone during his first administration to say that. A big scene in the documentary is the senior intelligence official, Jay Stratton, revealing that Secretary Manusian asked him for a classified briefing on this. And when Jay asked why you want a briefing, he said, I need to be prepared to understand what the economic repercussions would be. if the president stepped to the mic and told the world we are not alone. And so that was something contemplated years ago.

I think following the release of this movie, the president will have a much more comfortable set of circumstances to do that, to step to the mic, and tell the world we're not alone. I think this film sets the stage for him to be the leader that steps to the microphone and tells us definitively humanity is not alone in the universe and that the U.S. intends to lead the way. Okay, so really interesting, right? Because that kind of speaks to, and I'm not sitting here patty myself on the back by any

means, but that kind of speaks to what I was saying to start, which was my feel, my own personal feelings sitting on my couch and after this move ended was that after this movie ended, was that this, it felt like it was setting something up. And if that's what, you know, Dan Farah is saying that they're basically hoping that this movie does, that this documentary does, is that it sets the stage for that capital D disclosure, that moments that apparently Trump was looking to have in his first term, but I guess was convinced not to do it for whatever reason, which was, you know, to have that moment of coming out into the mic and saying, this is real. And, you know, to have that, that ultimate disclosure moment. Now, the question is, will we see that this time around? This is very interesting

time because of this film and because of everything that has happened since, let's say, 2018, right? We had the New York Times article. Then we've had admissions from the government. We've had admissions on the Pentagon from Air Force about, you know, that the UFOs are real, which is why I started this show to begin with back in July of 2021, that, you know, they're studying these things, they don't know what they are. And so we've had all these different kind of watershed moments over the past, say, seven or eight years that have led us to this point in time of now what I believe to be another watershed moment, which is the age of disclosure of having this documentary come out.

So will all of these different things be enough momentum to now carry over, continue to have that push with government sectors? Now, you know, they seem more open than ever. Of course, we've had three hearings in Congress in the past three years. So will all of this momentum finally get us to that point where maybe now Trump in his second term decides to do what he was thinking about doing in his first term? and that is to have that moment of basic disclosure. We've heard David Gresh speak about that before, and I've talked about it many times here on the show, of basic disclosure.

You know, there is other life. We do have recovered craft, and we've seen the bodies. Go from there. You know, he may not have all the information, right? And that's something that has been spoken about in the film, which is we need to get to the point where we do have all the information, but at least get some of that,

basic disclosure out. And according to some of the reporting, this has kind of been going viral over the past day or two. TMZ has reported on it and some other outlets that the rumors are kind of getting heavy that Trump is considering doing this to have that disclosure moment. Maybe by the end of the year, maybe at the beginning of next year, will it happen? Your guess is as good as mine. But I'm just saying what I believe after watching this is that it feels like

this is another push forward. And hopefully, hopefully we continue to see the momentum grow and build. And that's really one of the big things for this. You know, I've seen the comments online, especially on Twitter, where people seem to be very outspoken, is that, you know, I don't feel like I want to spend money on this because it's just going to tell me everything I already know. And by all means, I'm not telling you how to spend your money, okay? I know times are tight.

I totally get it. But that's not really what it's about. at least in my opinion, after watching this, you know, I, okay, look, I watched it and I said to myself, okay, yeah, I already know all of this, right? Because I do this show, and it's something I've been actively investigating for years, for the better part of a decade, honestly. So, yes, I know these stories, I know about atyp, I know about, you know, supposed crash sites and meetings with presidents and, you know, meetings with officials and aliens. I get it. But just because I knew about it, it doesn't mean that I didn't think this movie wasn't important because what this does

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David Grush was on with Brett Bear on Fox News. And timing-wise, this was actually an interview that was recorded around the time of the congressional hearing, middle of September. They held on to the interview for a couple of months to air it in connection with the release of this documentary. So I want to play a few clips to kind of break it up here from David Grush and then kind of connected back to what we saw in the age of disclosure. This was actually Grush to kind of stay on topic. His views on the current administration and what he thinks might be coming. Certainly members of this current administration are very well aware of this reality. Certainly the current president is very knowledgeable on this subject and I trust his leadership on it.

And I think he's assembled in an A-team cabinet, and I really believe if Trump wants to be the greatest president and the most consequential leader, likely in world history, he certainly has the knowledge, the capabilities and understanding of some of these sensitive government transparency issues. All right. So obviously strong statements there from Grush and his feelings on how he views the current administration and how they might handle things going forward. Again, this is all very, very fascinating because it just feels like. like we're moving towards something, and I hope that is the case. I really, really do. But this was interesting, too, a kind of a moment, and this was actually a really revealing interview. It's about seven minutes long, give or take, maybe about five minutes, minus the intro that Brett Baer has attached to it. And this was really, like, a very revealing five minutes,

really well put together. I have to give Brett Baer credit and his editing team at Fox News, because the way that they were able to put this together, David Grush gave a lot of great answers during this short, what turned into a short interview, or at least that's the way they put it together. And one of them was, it kind of left Brett Bear a little, you know, surprised, even a little bit shocked when he asked Grush about, you know, what he knows and what he's seen. And if there was pictures involved, here's what David Grush had to say about that. It is a very uncomfortable, even for me now, as somebody who's seen it, experienced it, even talking about it, because it's so outside a normal person's worldview to understand that there is.

is this biological sentience that have piloted these crafts that don't necessarily look 100% like you and I. Were there pictures? Were there? There were. Yes, they were. All right. So yes, there were pictures.

Wouldn't that be something if we get to see those one day? But just to speak to what Grush said there, where he said, you know, it's kind of having that unknowing or that knowing and how that could be uncomfortable sometimes. And that actually reminds me of something that Lou Elizando said during the documentary. He was recalling his. own, I guess, moment of realization that, you know, what am I doing here? What is what is the point of what I'm doing when it comes to his government work and what he knows versus what everybody else doesn't know? And he recalled sitting in traffic one night on his way home and thinking

to himself just looking around at all the cars, thousands of cars, and thinking, no one here around me knows what's going on. I know what's going on. I know that all this stuff is real and that this is happening and that's been happening for a long time. And all these people are just blissfully unaware of what is going on around them. And these existential truths that surround us that we remain or that remain hidden from us. And he said that was kind of the moment that really led him to make that decision to leave his government position and come out to the public. And we know what's happened since then. And whether whatever you want to make of Lou Elizando's intentions or what he's tried to do or not do over the

That is completely up to you. I'm not here to argue about Lou Elizando. I'm here to give the review and the recap of this movie, and he was a heavy part of it for sure. So, you know, whatever you want to think on that end is totally up to you. I'm not here to argue that by any means. Or to argue politics. As you know, I don't get involved in all the politics on this show. These are the facts.

These are the details of the conversation. So I always want to stress that as well. Because what you heard, David Grusseer, you know, kind of talking about. about his knowing and he's seen the pictures and he knows their pictures out there. And, you know, Dan Farrah talking about the Trump administration. David Grush speaking about them as well. And he wasn't done. He actually finished off his interview with Brett Baer saying this.

Pretty interesting to consider, to say the least. He certainly is very well informed on this issue. Leave it at that. I don't want to get ahead of what the president might want to reveal personally. I believe there's an appetite with the administration to do the right thing on this as well. and there's some other things that are happening behind the scenes that I'll let the administration discuss when they're ready. All right.

So some other things happening behind the scenes. That to me was, again, a great interview for about five or six minutes. But that was one part that really stuck out to me kind of saying, you know, there's some other stuff happening behind the scenes, but I don't want to get ahead of myself or get ahead of the administration. So that kind of gives a clue, at least to me, and maybe I'm just reading into this too much. and that's completely possible. But that just kind of gives a clue to me that there are discussions happening about this behind the scenes within the administration that maybe, and maybe they were waiting for this documentary to come out to use this as a stepping stone to say, okay, let's talk about it.

Because now would be a perfect time. So this is going to be a big topic continuing moving forward here, and especially in the short term. And hopefully, you know, things move forward in the long term. because if thinking about it this way, I kind of had this thought, putting this together and after watching the film, and I kind of thought about like if we could accept disclosure, right, if it comes out, they have a big press conference, they show pictures, they say, yeah, Roswell happened, yeah, we have the reverse engineering programs going on, like if all that actually happens, in my view, maybe that truth, maybe that disclosure moment could lead to

like an open forum where the top minds are actually. and publicly working on reverse engineering efforts. In order to accelerate our progress over our adversaries, kind of like a Manhattan Project type of moment. Now, that's not to say that the Manhattan Project was public knowledge because obviously it was not, but it was something that was being worked on from the top levels down where they at least had that acknowledgement within government sectors

from the president down where everybody was working on. isn't like this, you know, the shadow government that only knew about it. If we could have that acknowledgement, at least within, you know, government sectors and then had that spill over to the public sector, then it could lead to a huge acceleration and technology. And, you know, that would better the world. That would better everybody to have this like open sourcing of this reverse engineering. Like, let's just say, for example, Elon Musk isn't working. on this stuff, okay? But let's

just argument's sake if Elon Musk is not working on reverse engineering, if he really actually doesn't know that this stuff is going on, which I personally find hard to believe, then let's say you get, you know, the SpaceX team all of a sudden having a division

of actively working on reverse engineering alien craft. And that becomes a known fact, that becomes an open thing. Just imagine how far we could get and how quickly we could progress. in reverse engineering some of this stuff, if it could just be out in the open. And we know that, okay, listen, just like the space race, we knew that Apollo was a thing back

in the day, right? We know that Artemis is a thing right now. We're trying to get to the moon before China. Sean Duffy, the Transportation Secretary and former acting head of NASA, came out and said that. Open knowledge. Came out and said in an interview. We want to get to the moon back people on the moon before China, because we know China has, you know, some exploration that they're doing robotically on the dark side of the moon. And we still don't know what's going on there and what they've discovered. That part is not public knowledge. So who knows what's happening there?

But just in that aspect, just using that comparison, when we look at the space race being public knowledge, and look at how far we came so quickly, then if UAP, the technology race, the reverse engineering race is public knowledge because of disclosure, imagine a lot of, imagine. how far we could get. Like I said, kind of like a Manhattan Project type of thing. Speaking of which, Dan Farrah actually spoke about that. And it's actually spoken about in the documentary. Here was a clip from another interview that Dan Farrow was a part of, kind of talking about what I was just saying there. The U.S. is in a high stakes, deeply hidden secret Cold War race with adversarial nations to reverse engineer technology of not in human origin. And the people my film refer to this as the Manhattan Project on steroids. The stakes couldn't be higher. And since we know the intentions of adversaries like China aren't great, it's a really concerning

situation. I mean, that kind of speaks for itself. And here's what Dan Farah had to say on what he thinks this documentary does in the long run. For 80 years, all of this has been kept from the public Congress and even sitting presidents. And I think that that really changes today when this movie comes out and the public learns the truth finally. And my hope is it sets the stage for the president finally step. up and telling the world the base facts that we're not alone in the universe and what what he

knows is going on. I think the people can handle the truth. So that's kind of the theme, right? And again, that was my takeaway from watching it was this wasn't a speculative narrative. This wasn't like, well, this maybe is what's going on. This was in your face. Here's what's happening. Here's, you know, government agency, XYZ. Here's this person, that person who used to work in this position. And they're telling you, here's what's happening. Here's what has happened. and we need to get it out there and we need disclosure now. I mean, so this is why I think this movie was a big deal.

Again, by all means, if you don't think it's worth your time to watch it, worth your money to watch it because it's going to tell you everything you know, that's completely fine. I totally get it. But in the big picture of things, in the grand scheme of things, I think, I think, just my takeaway, and maybe I'm being too, you know, positive about this. And I am, sometimes I'm a hopeless romantic.

Sometimes I am blissfully naive and too optimally. optimistic. I fully admit that. But watching this, it just felt like this was something that needed to come out in order for us to take the next step. And I think it's going to end up accomplishing that, I hope. So what presidents have known and what they know now, what they might do in the future was absolutely a big component of this film, as well as a few other things that I want to get to here before we're done today. But I do want to kind of on that theme of, you know, what's the going to happen in the future, what we might see from government. There was a really, I thought, an important clip here that encapsulated so much of this conversation from Marco Rubio. And this was before, again, I've mentioned this a couple of times in other episodes, but this was done before Marco Rubio became Secretary of State. He was still a senator here in my state of Florida, and he was still on some of the committees

there within the Senate. So this is what he had to say then when the interview was done for the age of disclosure about how presidents are treated and how deep this secret goes. It's really fascinating to kind of put this all together. I think there's this assumption that presidents can walk in the Oval Office on day one and said, all right, take me to Roswell, show me the alien bodies. I want to see the video of the autopsy. I want to see the whole thing, open it up.

I think that really is a naive understanding of how our government works. Even presidents have often been operating on a need to. to no basis. That's certainly true from a historic standpoint. The rationale, the justification was, the president shouldn't know about these things because that way the president always has deniability. All they need is a nod in this direction

or in that direction. But that begins to ramp out of control. Frankly, I don't even know the president would know who to ask. You could go to the director of the CIA, nowadays the director of national intelligence, and ask them. And even that person may not know, because those people rotate,

but the people, three layers underneath them that are there for 30 years, To them, it's like I've seen these people come and go. I have no obligation to tell them it exists. It just never percolates out. And that is the key right there. That is the problem that has been persisting for decades, which is this, you know, godlike attitude that some of these,

I guess you could say, deep state individuals have in their positions, which is I'm the one that with the secrets, I'm the one with the knowledge. you're only going to be here, you know, four, eight years, maybe 12 years, even maybe 15 or 16 years. But that's fine because I'm going to be here for 30 or 40 years. Or in some cases, I have been here for 30 or 40 years. And I've seen a bunch of you come and go. You're a dime a dozen. And there's no reason for me to tell you.

And that has been the problem for decades. And that is a major issue. And that is exactly what needs to change. And the only way that can change, at least in some aspects, And, you know, maybe, maybe overall that won't completely change. I don't know. But at least how it can change in some aspects is by having that moment of, you know, presidential disclosure to come out and say, this is what's been going on.

And, you know, now we need answers. Imagine, listen, it's great. And I love their efforts from Congress. You know, I love having Eric Burleson on the show. His efforts have been incredible. Anna Polina Luna. Nancy Mays, Timberchette, Jared Moskowitz. There's so many congressmen and women and senators like Schumer and rounds.

It's amazing for them to come forward and say, we need to get this figured out. We need to be told what's going on behind the scenes. We want access. That's fantastic. But the president has never done that publicly. We've heard stories behind the scenes of different presidents who have done that privately. JFK, possibly, Bill Clinton, other presidents who have asked to, get information on this and they've either been stonewalled or worse.

So if we had that moment where the president comes out and says it, where the president has that, you know, go get them added to like we've seen from Congress and the Senate, again, on both sides of the aisle. And this is the only thing that is nonpartisan. This is literally the only thing in Washington that is nonpartisan is that, you know, senators and and congressmen and politicians, whatever side of the aisle you're on, they all want to know what's happening. And so if Trump now can come out and say and have that go get him attitude like we've seen from the names I mentioned in the Congress and the Senate, then that

would, I think, have major impacts, obviously goes without saying, but impacts in the way of getting those long-held secrets from the so-called deep state to have those secrets finally come out and to have things found out and to have people find out where has this been all, where has all this been hidden and who has been hiding it. So that way these things can become open sourced and everybody can just be working under the same knowledge that, yeah, this has been going on. That would be the next big step because yes, there absolutely is a race between nations. Absolutely. And you hear that in the film, spoken about it here today. We've heard it from Marco Rubio. We've heard it from Dan Farah and others.

nations are in a race to figure these things out. And some people say, you know, yeah, we've already reverse engineer some things. But overall, it seems like, according to all these different reports and all these testimonies, that the big stuff we're still trying to figure out, which I'm going to get to here in a second from Eric Davis and how put off. I mentioned at the beginning of the show, I thought it was the most consequential five minutes of any documentary that I've seen on this topic. And I'll get to that in a second. but the fact is that there is a race between nations to figure this stuff out. But there's also seems to be a war within our own government sectors,

like an actual war behind the scenes happening in our own government, on what gets out and when or if it gets out. Who will win and at what costs, right? Do they, they, whoever they are, just continue to play the long game? because that's what they've been doing for a long time. It's just play that game of wait and see. Let's wait these people out because they're not going to be here for longer than however many years. And public interest wanes and everyone's going to forget about it.

So let's just wait it out. We'll hope it all blows over and we'll just wait for new leadership. Is that going to be their move? Or is this previously unseen public push? We've had public pushes before, especially within the past three or four years. But this is just getting louder. It's becoming more noticeable, this public push from all sides to kind of get to the point where maybe it's too great to now brush away, right? Maybe they can't brush it away anymore.

So what would they be willing to do to cause a distraction away from this secret if, in fact, they are not willing to cooperate? And those are the two things that come to mind. And I know it's kind of chilling, but I couldn't help but to have that thought. If this war is going on behind the scenes within our own government sectors, there's one of two ways this is going to play out. Either the people who want the truth out end up getting the truth out. Or maybe it's not 100% of the truth, but it's some semblance of the truth. It's basic truth, right? If that happens, then of course, that changes everything.

Or despite the push, despite the public pressure, those in charge behind the scenes, still are not willing to let these things out, and they will do whatever they deem necessary to make sure it stays a secret. That's the part that scares me because I don't know what they're willing to do. Unspeakable things. They're not going to give it up that easily, unfortunately.

The only way this happens is if the choice is taken out of their hands. So we'll see how this plays out now. But we are. Make no mistake about it. Okay. my opinion, it feels like we are in uncharted territory right now. I hate to be hyperbolic. Maybe I am, but I don't think I am right now. It's just like my gut feeling right now is that we are in uncharted territory.

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Hawaii starts here. But before we're done here today, I wanted to touch on some of the other highlights that I consider to be highlights from the film. I really did enjoy their explanation, Lou Elizando and Jay Stratt, and I really enjoyed how they put together their explanation of the legacy program. Right? We talked about they, who are they, the people keeping all the time. the secrets about crash retrieval, secrets that they've discovered, technology, you know, maybe things that we have learned from NIH themselves, all these different legacy program secrets. They explained how that works, you know, who's been behind all this, what the legacy program is.

So I thought that was good to see and good to have in there. So I'm glad they made that part of the documentary. And they did mention how everybody wants to be the first to crack the UFO code. Now, of course, some would say that we have already cracked it, but others say, no, we we still haven't got to those ultimate answers. So again, kind of like the Manhattan Project on steroids and this race behind the scenes that we've been talking about here today. They also talked about how George W. Bush, his administration, almost disclosed about

the crash retrieval programs, much like the First Trump administration and the story that was told there that apparently the Bush administration almost did the same thing, but they decided that it wasn't beneficial to do so. And actually, Eric Davis told the story. about George H.W. Bush, that H.W. told to Eric Davis. That apparently there was this meeting at Holloman Air Force based with three different beings in 1964. They landed and met with government and military officials. And that was something that was told to H.W. Bush, and that was given to Eric Davis. So do with that what you will.

But he said he didn't have any more specifics on it. But quite the story. And it kind of goes along with some of the other stories we've heard about, you know, Eisenhower meeting the grays in the Nordics back in the 50s. One thing I didn't want to gloss over because I find it highly fascinating was also Lou Alizando mentioned the Vatican. He said the Vatican does indeed have irrefutable evidence about the NHI presence. And he said the playbook of denial has been the same for the past 80 years, right, to create the stigma.

That's what they wanted to do first. And that stigma obviously is still out there today. And that it was established by the CIA in 1947 and co-opped by the Air Force that In fact, the Air Force and the CIA were basically both created after Roswell from an executive order signed by Truman. So how that kind of all plays together in the time frame there. And then they essentially made this conversation about UFOs and other life to be like taboo. And you're a crazy person if you believe in. And that stigma has stuck to this day.

And they've done a very good job of doing that, obviously. They also talked about how different orbs and different craft were seen. This part I had actually never heard before. This was new to me during the documentary. That crafts had been seen over George W. Bush's ranch when he was president. He would go to his ranch in Stevensville, Texas. Stevensville, I thought was interesting too. But they mentioned how these crafts would be flying over his ranch and basically couldn't do anything about it.

And it was never really reported on. But Stevensville is interesting to me because an incredible story that came out from Stevensville over the years about this mothership that was seen over there. You can look into that. I did an episode about that a long time ago. But pretty interesting to have that connection there. Also very cool. Just a personal shout out to see two friends of the show in this documentary, that being Bob Salas and Jeff Nusateli. Love speaking to them both on the show here numerous times and in person.

So love seeing their parts in the 8th.000. of disclosure film, so I just wanted to get out there as far as a personal shoutout. Another highlight worth mentioning, though, was the UAP Disclosure Act. You know, they spoke about that. They're trying to get that passed, and that is still something that they're trying to push through. So that remains to be seen on what happens there. I know Eric Burleson on the show here recently said he's working on that with Danny Sheehan,

and they're trying to get it passed as a standalone bill. So we'll see what happens there. Very disturbing, actually, was a story that Lou Elizando told. This was actually something, again, that I had never heard. And that was how he and David Grush, according to what he was told, he said he got a call from a congressional staffer that he knows really well, that in this call, the staffer told him about a meeting he was aware of between 27 different Intel agency members.

And in this meeting of these 27 members, they were talking about the possibility of killing him, Lue Lazzando, and David Grush, because they were so, I guess, spooked by what they were doing in the public eye and the information they were trying to get out, that they were actually actively discussing in meetings, 27 different intel members about whether or not they should actually kill Lue Lazzando and David Grush. Lou talks about that story about how he got that call. And you could see, again, think of whatever you want about Lou Elizondon, but I'm telling you human to human

just watching that moment in the film you can see in his eyes how uncomfortable he was and how much it affected him that was my read on it and it's that just goes to show you that this is still going on right I mean obviously it's still

going on but what I mean by that is he mentioned how Americans have been killed without due process he said it has been done before and it can be justified by the committees by the intel committees and by the agencies, if they deem different Americans to be national security threats, then that to them is justification to have them killed without due process.

Just the order is given, boom, you're dead. And so he actually said, if you find me floating the Potomac River in a couple of months, you'll know why. I mean, that's scary stuff. And that goes back to what Eric Burleson actually said here recently, that, you know, they're investigating someone who worked in the legacy programs that was coming out to talk about it, they're investigating his death. They brought it to the FBI. They found it to be very suspicious.

So, you know, this is stuff that is still happening, that these threats are out there and that these people are, whether it's David Grush or Lou Elizondo or any unnamed whistleblowers or would-be whistleblowers, these threats are active. Why? What is so terrible about this secret or so important that people are deemed? to be national security threats if they talk about it. Is it just the technology? Is it the money and the power? I mean, this is the stuff that that needs to come out. This can't continue. But the last thing I want to touch on, and I'm sorry to get so heavy there, but this has been a

heavy episode. So, but, and I hope that you have found it interesting. But the last thing I want to touch on is that five minutes that I spoke about that I thought was maybe the most consequential five minutes I've seen in any documentary covering the subject. And it covered, and I would play the clip, but it's not a clip that has been put out in any sizzle reels by the studio, so I don't want to, you know, like, be accused of, like, bootlegging, you know, the movie or anything like that. Every clip that I have played here today has been freely sourced from social media, or it's a clip that has been put out by the studio as part of their sizzle reel, as part of their promo reel. But this part was not, so I didn't want to, like, you know, record it on my phone and put it out here on my own.

That's a, that's a big no-no. I'll just relate what this was what this was about. It was with Eric Davis and Hal put off. And it was probably, I would say, maybe an hour-ish or so into the movie, about 70% into the movie. And they were talking about the warp bubble theory. This was so fascinating to me because they described the warp bubble being this bubble that surrounds a UAP craft. It surrounds a UFO. And what this warp bubble does is that it acts as a different space-time field.

The UFO is actually in its own space-time continuum, if you will. It doesn't act or abide by the laws of our own physics, our own gravity, our own atmosphere. It's within its own world, so to speak. Its own little universe, its own space-time continuum. them. And it really, the way they broke it down, it explains so much. It makes so much sense if this is the case. Because now we hear about these different stories. Ryan Graves is a perfect example. We hear about these stories about, you know, they see these triangle craft or these orbs inside of a square cube. Well, maybe that square cube is the bubble or a square cube inside of a bubble. Right. So, And then they also spoke about how that explains why pictures always come out grainy.

Because you're actually taking a picture of the warp field itself. You're taking a picture of the bubble. It would explain things like instantaneous acceleration because they're moving within their own space time field. So it would explain how if there is a being inside these crafts, if they are indeed manned, if you will, it explains how they're able to withstand what seems to us to be like this, instantaneous acceleration of zero to 10,000 miles per hour. Obviously, no living beings should be able to withstand that. You'd be turned into pudding. You'd be turned into jello.

But if they're moving within their own space-time field, according to how Putoff was saying, it would look like instantaneous acceleration to us, but that's not how it's moving for them. And so it explains that aspect of the observables. It explains low observability because they're in this bubble. It explains the blurry photos. It explains the transatlores. It explains the transmedium travel. It explains anti-gravity because, again, they are not abiding by our atmosphere, by our laws of physics.

So if they are traveling within their own space-time field, then they can move in their own way. They don't have to abide by any rules of physics or laws. So because they're operating on a different space-time environment, it would explain all these things. And it would also explain missing time. How put off spoke on this. He said because of this different space time environment that they operate on within this bubble, this warp bubble, it would explain missing time and why some people who have been on a craft feel like they've only been away for a few minutes and they come back and it's hours later. Right? That would explain so much.

It's like the movie Interstellar, right? They're on these different planets. Matthew McCona hasn't aged in 80 years. He looks the same after 80 years Earth time. There's different space time effects that are taking place in and outside of this warp bubble. And if you're within the warp bubble, then your time is moving at a different rate, apparently. It would also explain from what they were saying why these different reports of how a craft can be bigger inside than it looks on the outside. We've heard that from so many different witnesses or abduction cases or even Bob Lazar, where he's spoken about before in the past, how these crafts can look small from the outside, but then you're inside of one of them.

And it's like huge. Well, how could that be possible? Well, because they operate on their own different spacetime environment. And all this could be explained by this one theory of the warp bubble. All these questions would be answered by this. and it would actually unlock, according to what Hal Podolph said, it would unlock the secrets of interstellar travel. So anything outside the warp bubble is essentially inconsequential to its movement itself.

And the craft's movement, including Earth's gravity, completely inconsequential. The energy field that causes gives off a ton of radiation, which would also explain the different sicknesses we've heard about, whether it's Rendlesham or any other case where people get too close to a UFO, You talk about radiation burns. You talk about lasting health effects. We've heard this in different scenarios as well. So all these different things, whether it's the observables, whether it's radiation sickness, missing time, you know, different laws of physics, transmedium travel.

All these different things could be explained by the warp bubble theory. It's an incredible five minutes that blew my mind. And I kid you not, I watched the clip about five different times. because it was just trying to wrap my head around it, and it just makes so much sense. So if you haven't seen the film, I highly suggest it for all the things that we spoke about here today to kind of help connect the dots on these things,

and because I do believe that it's pushing the narrative, it's pushing the conversation forward at a rate now that we haven't seen before, and hopefully to new heights that we haven't seen before. But it also has little moments like that where you just kind of think to yourself, oh my gosh, this is huge for people to be hearing, not only for someone like me or for you,

but for someone who's new to the conversation, we hear something like that and you think, good Lord, this is unbelievable. So that to me, just to kind of finish things off here today, was a really big takeaway after I was done. But this was riveting, it was compelling, it was fascinating, highly intriguing, and I think a really important moment in time.

So the question is, what happens next? Well, luckily, Dan Farrow was asked that in an interview recently, and here's what he had to say. The officials speaking up in this film are kicking off an era where the U.S. government's going to step up and officially make it known that we're not alone in the universe and that the U.S. intends to lead the way on this. I think you're going to see a lot of legislation start to get full support in the House and Senate to drive us towards legal disclosure of what can be shared comfortably with the public. I think we're entering an error of unprecedented, transparent,

and disclosure. And I think it has to happen now, as the film reveals, because the stakes couldn't be higher. We are in a very significant high stakes, Cold War race with China and Russia, most notably China. And we know their intentions are not great. And it's important that we actually win this race and lead in this new era. It's incredible times. It's an unbelievable conversation, but it is one that is actively taking place in front of the mic, like here, or behind the scenes and now we just continue to push forward this momentum, continue to push this conversation and see what happens next because I believe my final thought here is that this is a moment that we will look back on the same way that we look back on the New York Times article of 2017 that

really that started all this that started this conversation after Louel Alizando decided to come out to the public. We're going to look back on the age of disclosure film in 2025, the same way we look back on the New York Times article in 2017. There are both kind of paradigm shifting moments. I really believe that I do. I believe that this is going to push the conversation forward in a way that we haven't seen since 2017. I hope I'm right. So either way, whatever happens next, I'm going to be here to talk about it with you on UAP.

So on that note, we'll finish up here for today. And just say a couple of things of what to look forward to. I'll be back next week with new episodes of UAP, but with the Thanksgiving holiday coming up. This is the final new episode, new episode of UAP, because we're doing something special here for the rest of the week for Thanksgiving week here within the United States. And it's going to be a week of thanks. And I always say at the end of every episode how, you know, extremely appreciative I am of the way that you had taken to the show over the years, the fact that, you know, you keep coming back to UAP that you'd try. trust what I do here on this show in my observations, my reporting, and my investigations, and that you continue to put UAP at the top of the list of podcasts of shows that cover this topic.

I say it all the time, and I'll say it right here now, that it does mean the world to me. So I am thankful beyond words for that, that you continue to do that here for me and for the show, because I continue to try my hardest for you to put this show out there to cover this topic. hopefully in a way that, you know, others aren't. So in order to show my appreciation during this week of Thanksgiving, we will do a week of thanks here on UAP, starting on Wednesday, five straight days of UAP, by replaying the first five episodes ever of UAP.

I've never done that before. You know, I'll obviously throw out a greatest hits episode here and there, but I've never put out in sequential order a series of episodes like that. And I thought, you know what? How cool would that be? How fun would that be? To make it a week of thanks to say thank you for everything.

And in order to do that, bring back the first five episodes of UAPs. So you'll hear myself with our old friend Karen Curtis. It'll be a fun look back. It's going to be completely unedited, just the way it aired, from start to finish, those first five episodes. So obviously there's going to be things in there that might sound dated. But there's also going to be things in there that we can look back on and say, wow, look how far we've come since July of 2021 and August of 2021 when those first five episodes took place. So really in the past four years, four and a half years, we'll be able to look back and say, man, things have really progressed. Hopefully we'll be able to look back on those and think about how much things have gone forward.

And also, I do want to make a note that you'll hear, I think, in those first five episodes, you'll hear us mention the UAP blog. the UAP blog unfortunately does not exist anymore so if you try to follow those directions in the episode where we talk about that the UAP blog the pictures or anything that having to do with the stories that we mentioned isn't there anymore so I do apologize for that so I guess ignore those parts

if you hear that in the first five episodes but aside from that if you are looking for anything I guess just let me know shoot me a message and I'll try to find it and see if I can send it to you directly or find that one piece of information but that's what we're going to do here. Fun time of Thanksgiving,

and my thanks is, let's put out the first five episodes and look back on it together of UAP and just that appreciation to kind of look back where it all started right here on UAP. So look forward to that during Thanksgiving week, Wednesday through Sunday, I will have the first five episodes come out of UAP.

I think that'll be fun. And then, like I said, back next week with new episodes. If things hold true, I'm not going to say any names because I don't want to get your hopes up or mine. But I got some things cooking about someone that I'm trying to bring on here to UAP who's never been on the show before. And if right now it's scheduled. And if it's hopefully it stays that way, it's a very volatile schedule with whom I'm trying to get on. But if it does work out for next week after Thanksgiving, it's going to be, I think, one of the most important. episodes of UAP I've ever done.

So I'm just going to put that out there. I don't want to say any names. And if it doesn't work out, that I'll let you know that it didn't work out. But hopefully it does work out next week after Thanksgiving, early December. I'll let you know what's going on there. But until then, thank you very much. I hope you enjoy the first five episodes as we present those in a special week of thanks here on UAP. I'm looking forward to putting those back out there for the first time in order since they were first released four and a half years ago.

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I really wanted to be as comprehensive and thorough as possible. I apologize if I droned on too long with anything, but there was a lot to cover and a lot of thoughts to put out there. So hopefully it was fun and entertaining and intriguing to go along with this today. But that will do it for now. Can't wait to come back again right here on UAP after the holiday. So until then, thank you all again for everything for all the support, because it really does mean the world to me.

So until next time, it is Stephen Deiner here saying be well. And thanks. I'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.