UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 175 Getting into "Good Trouble" with Matt Ford - Part 1

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

What impact has "The Age of Disclosure" had on the general public so far? What kind of dirty deeds has AARO been up to and are they starting to get found out? And the ultimate question that everyone wants to know about, is President Trump truly considering making an announcement that reveals the truth about NHI? Stephen Diener discusses all of this and more in part one of his conversation with the host of "The Good Trouble Show," Matt Ford. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Ever since I went to contact in the desert back in June. And I met up with Matt Ford from The Good Trouble Show. And I'm sure you know the show. It's very popular on YouTube. He does a great job, has on a lot of great guests, and was one of the many people that I got to meet in the UFO community when I went to contact in the desert six months ago. And when I got to meet him, I wasn't expecting to have full-on conversations with him,

but that's one of the cool things about events like that is all these things happen that surprised you. You never really expected. And we just clicked, we connected, a really cool guy. And I said right there, I was like, look, I'd love to have you on the show one day. Let's try to work it out. Well, six months later, here we are. So we'll bring you on Matt Ford from The Good Trouble Show.

A super smart, awesome conversation. Really, really enjoy talking to him because he just gets it. You know, he's a guy that's been in this for a long time, knows a lot of the people, knows a lot of the players in front of the camera and behind the camera, if you will. And so just wanted to go through all of the different facets of really the crux of the government cover up, right? What did we see in the age of disclosure? How is that being taken now? now that it's been out for two or three weeks.

It's got a lot of really good reviews and a lot of good reception. It's like number one on Amazon Prime right now for documentaries. So we talk about how that's been taken and the notoriety that it's getting and kind of where we're going from here with that film now. And what's going on front facing versus backfacing when it comes to the Trump administration and all the players there? And so it got really deep, really interesting. and I went down like a few different pathways that I wasn't expecting and just the quushes that kept kind of branching out of my mind as we were talking. And then we also get into some stuff with Arrow. Matt Ford is not a fan of Arrow.

Neither am I. And my guess is that you're probably not either. And he gives his reasons why and gives a little preview of something that he's discovered with Arrow and kind of throws it out there that he thinks they might have to answer for some things in front of Congress pretty soon. So this is part one. We spoke for a while. I did want to split it up. I know some of you hate that, and I apologize, but it's just kind of my thing. So hopefully you still enjoy it.

I'm not a big fan of putting out like two-hour conversations all at once. It's just my thing. I know a lot of other people do it, and that's totally fine. But I like to kind of split it up just so we can consume it, I guess, a little bit better that way. It's more digestible, in my opinion. So whether or not you like that, hopefully you like it. If you don't, I really apologize.

but I hope you still enjoy this part one here and come back for part two in just a few days as well. So I'll come back with some final thoughts afterward, but until then, enjoy this part one conversation. A lot of great stuff here. I think you're going to enjoy it with myself and Matt Ford right now on UAP. Well, this is really cool. I've been looking forward to this, and it's been a long time in the making finally to bring on Matt Ford from the Good Trouble Show here on UAP. We met back in June at Contact in the Desert. And ever since then, we've been talking about, hey, we've got to get you on this show here.

And schedules have finally lined up, really excited for this conversation. Happy to finally do it. Matt, thanks for coming on to the show here today. Stephen, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. As I've said on the show, our show is literally one-man operation. I've got some volunteers that help in the chat. But I think I'm decent on camera, but I'm definitely horrible at keeping up with the stuff on the back end.

So I appreciate. I appreciate your patience. No, listen, there's no one worse than me than keeping up with emails and messages and all the back-end stuff. So I completely understand it is all good. I'm happy to have you on now. I think it'll be a lot of fun. Thanks. Absolutely.

Well, there's a ton of stuff out there that we can talk about. So I guess I'll start with some of the latest stuff, which is a lot of the fallout, a lot of the reaction from the age of disclosure film. I know we both seen it. I know we both know people who are in that film. So just first off, what do you think about? the way things have gone since the age of disclosure has released and become, I believe, the number one documentary on Amazon Prime, if I'm not mistaken. So how do you think things have gone since that release now?

I sent a text to Dan Farah, and I said, I don't know who your publicist is, but I want to hire him or her, whoever you hired, because whoever did, handled his PR and bookings just knocked it out of the park. spectacular. It's one thing if you, you obviously you need to have a good, good film, which that is certainly, certainly it. But to keep it from going into the sort of bucket of UAP documentaries that you have to search for on your Apple TV to try and find it, where only the people that are interested in this topic see it, that's an easy thing to do. What's a, difficult thing to do is to produce a absolute A-plus movie, such as what Dan Farrah did with

the age of disclosure, but then get that out in front of the mainstream media, which, you know, let's face it, they've really, mainstream media has been asleep at the wheel. So the fact that, A, it's done so well in terms of, you know, as you mentioned, Stephen, the, you know, the ratings on. Amazon Prime, all that kind of stuff. And I think I'm not really sure, but I believe it's still in select theaters. The fact that he's accomplished all of those sort of benchmarks, and then he's been all over in terms of mainstream media.

You know, what he was on, of course, I believe Fox News and a bunch of other mainstream outlets. And the thing that was really refreshing about it is at least all of the appearances I've seen, that he's been on. The journalist host or whatever that was interviewing Dan Farah, they were all asking serious questions. It was not the sort of stereotypical X-Files thing and then a graphic of a beam coming down from a UFO flying overhead.

It was all treated very, very seriously. Yeah, I actually noticed that, too, and it was refreshing, whether it was Jake Tapper on CNN or I forget who interviewed a, Brett Bear, I believe, interviewed him on Fox News. Yeah, Brett Bear, yeah. There was a few really good ones out there. And you're right, they took it seriously.

And I think one of the things that really made people take it seriously, like you had no choice but to take it seriously, was the fact that he had all these different voices in this film, whether it was Marco Rubio, whether it was Lou Elizondo or Jay Stratton or James Clapper or whoever it might have been, all these high-ranking individuals who held these, or currently holding Markerubio, case, these high-ranking positions, extremely high-ranking for Secretary of State.

And you have these people who are saying the same thing, which is there's been a cover-up. And that's really hard to ignore. Do you feel like it's made, do you feel like it's made the noise, Matt, outside of the UFO community that I'm sure Dan was hoping it was going to make and that some of the, you know, Lou Elizano was hoping he was going to make? Do you feel like it's made that impact outside into the mainstream, even outside of the interviews that he gave. Absolutely. If you simply look at, well, let's back up a little bit. So the UAP, UFO community, UFO Twitter, you know, cohort of individuals probably makes up, you know,

one millionth of one percent of the U.S. population. Right. Right. Like it's super, super tiny. So, you know, that's a challenge on my show. And maybe you feel the same way that, that it's It's super easy to preach to the choir. You know, you've got, you've got an audience that's into it. But for me, one of my goals with the show is to make this, have it, have it be appealable to people who are not interested, or not, not interested in the topic, but maybe I've looked into it for the first time or had a passing interest. You know, you want more and more folks that are not sort of UAP activists or I freaking hate this word, eophologists. You know, you need to preach outside of your core audience. The best indication for the age of disclosure is the fact that it is, you know, number one on Amazon. because what that tells you is that the movie is highly successful outside of this small cohort of people that are into this stuff.

So, you know, I think that is the number one indicator that this is resonating with people who have not followed this topic. And then secondly, as well, he's not, even if he has a good publicist, and of course I was joking around, with him. Obviously, he does, but even a good publicist is going to have difficulty pitching it and getting the director on the show. He was on Bill Maher, which is, I met, met Dan at the Bill Maher after show party, but it speaks to, let me put it this way. In terms of, you know, the general population, it would not be number one. Dan Farrell would not be on all of these A-list media outlets. So I think all of those are a fantastic indicator that this thing really is doing a fantastic job outside of the UAP community.

Yeah, I think. I can't talk this morning. No, I think that's a great point. I think you're exactly right, actually, because you just look at the indicators, and I think those are some pretty strong indicators. One of the things on this, too, is I've kind of imagined this scenario. Maybe my mind is just way out there on this, so I want to get your opinion on it. There's been talk about this being nominated for best documentary at the Oscars.

Now, I didn't see anything on the Golden Globes. I don't know if Golden Globes does Best Documentary. Maybe they don't. But there's talk about this being nominated for an Oscar. If this is nominated, and that's which is why they had the theatrical release, so it could be eligible for that, if this is nominated and it wins, what do you imagine this does? Now Dan Farr is up there on the stage at the Oscars and is giving his speech. speech about disclosure to the world watching the Oscars? Well, I think if, first of all, the movie, in my opinion, I've worked in Hollywood,

30 years, I have two Emmys. I've been, you know, I'm well established in my career field. Actually, my two Emmys were from lighting the Oscars. I was on the Oscars team. Nice. Thanks. This movie, 100% should be a Oscar nominee.

And I'm not saying it because I think UFOs are real or anything like that. Even if this documentary were about zebras or something like that, it is so good the storytelling of what is really a very, very complex story to get across to someone that has not really been following this topic. that is a really heavy lift. And I told Dan this as well. I said to him, there is, I look at that movie, and I've watched it twice.

I literally have no constructive feedback. It's not like, well, you know, it was maybe too long, or I would have cut out this interview or tightened this one up. And I'm really good at that kind of stuff. I told Dan, I said, I have no feedback. There is, this is absolutely the perfect edit, the perfect storytelling through the editing, because obviously there's, there's, you know, no narration. There is no better film.

And I, you know, love the phenomenon and a bunch of the other stuff and what Darcy Weir and others do. But I would say in terms of a UAP film that is, I think, specifically targets the, non-UAP crowd, there is no better film than this, hands down. I would be wildly surprised if it were not nominated. And I, to be honest, now I haven't seen any of the other documentaries or seen any recent documentaries, so I can't really have nothing to compare it to, but I would also be wildly surprised if it didn't win. If it is nominated, or we'll put it this way, when it is nominated, Right. My advice to Dan Farah would be to bring along as many of the people to the Oscars that were part of this film. Now, I doubt Secretary Rubio would be able to do that just due to his position.

But, you know, Lou, Jay, all of these folks, such that, Admiral Tim Gallaudet, all of these folks that are serious players have done serious work in this field. field, I would bring all of them to the Oscars, such that when he wins and he walks up on stage, all of those people are behind him. Because I think the optics of that just reinforces the credibility of what is said in the film. If it went, again, not if, when it wins, I'm just super confident about that. The audience that the Oscars will provide him, by, you know, a factor of a hundred, will increase the viewership of this film. You know, Americans that maybe don't follow documentaries or somehow missed all of this, they're going to see it on the Oscars.

And, of course, they're going to play a clip package from the movie, you know, during the, you know, the nominee packages. So people are going to see it. And on the Oscars. and they'll be like, yeah, what is this thing? This looks pretty legit. I'm going to look into it. So there is nothing,

there is no downside to any of this. I think it's a wonderful film. He did a fantastic job of storytelling. I think he told me he edited this thing like, I don't know, like 100 plus times, went through different versions of the edit. I mean, he really put the time in, he put the work into making this an absolutely perfect

film and yeah it's it i i think it's going to be nominated and i would be wildly surprised if if if it were nominated if it didn't win i think it will yeah i can't wait to see how it turns out for sure because yeah obviously huge kudos continues there for for the work that they did on that on that film um one thing that's kind of come from it since then that is the i hate to say reemergence like you know like don't call it a comeback but we hadn't seen lou elizando come out on different interviews within the past few months. And now he's come back out already he's been on with you. He's been on with

Roth Coldheart recently. And he's made some waves talking about how the Trump administration is reacting to this topic. Now the talk about this has always gone on with the Trump administration, even going back to the first administration that spoke about, is he going to reveal?

Is he going to talk about it? He's been asked about it, you know, point blank by different podcasters. Joe Rogazen has asked about it and such. But now, we're in a position where I don't think we've been in before when it comes to the Trump administration with the opportunity that it seems has been given to them to really address this. So based off of what you've heard and based off of what Louis Luzondo has been saying with you and with Ross just recently that they're really considering it and they're waiting for the

right time, do you really see this happening? Do you think this is something that's coming down the road within the next, say, six months, even the next 12 months, where the president of the United States will come out and give that basic disclosure saying, this is real and there are, there is other life out there. It's really hard, hard to say. I, you know, I've said this on my show a good while back. Trump was fully read in at the end of his last administration. There is zero doubt about that.

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But I would say now that's likely not the case. He has really the perfect cabinet to do this, simply because Marco Rubio is there. Marco Rubio is also the chair of the National Security Council, which is one of the entities that this whole UAP, thing is classified under. So he sits on the NSC. He knows the dirty things that the NSC has done regarding this particular topic. There are so many fingers in the pie of disclosure, so many factions. You know, there's a faction in the legacy program that wants this to come out. But then

there's another faction in the legacy program that, you know, by all means, it can't come out. Same thing in DOD, same thing in IC. And I think we've seen this, we've seen this movie before when, let's say, for instance, the UAP Disclosure Act. When that first came out, we're like, oh, wow, Senator Chuck Schumer and Senator Mike Rounds put this thing up, and Senator Gillibrand, certainly with the political power, of those three individuals, that thing is going to get past. And sure enough, you had people like Congressman Mike Turner kill it.

I think Mike Rogers was one of the others. There's so many moving parts to this thing. And if you think about it, disclosing this in addition to the NHI aspect and, oh, you know, we've got this stuff flying in our skies and elsewhere, You know, that's one part of the problem. But the other part of the problem is Trump disclosing this is literally upending a power and money structure and business structure that has been around since this whole thing, you know, was, since it's an inception. Yeah. The power of the, and in Dan Farras documentary, spoke about this at length.

The power, the influence of the military industrial complex is by far the biggest gorilla in the room. So, you know, who knows what people are in Trump's ear saying, hey, you know, if you disclose this, my company. could lose billions of dollars and we lay off 20,000 people and all this kind of stuff. So there's so many things in play. It's really difficult to say. Now, having said all of that, I think that this movie politically gives Trump the top cover needed to jump on this. If this movie were a flop, if it were just relegated to the world of euthologists, again, I think that's a, a derogatory term, but, you know, the people that are really into this stuff,

and it went into the sort of back folder section on your iTunes movies, then, and this weren't getting airplay on mainstream media, et cetera, then I would say probably zero chance or close to zero chance that Trump would act on this. But the fact that this movie is clearly resonating, and from what I understand, it's resonating with members of Congress, members of Congress are looking at this thing and going, we had no idea this was going on. I think that it has the potential to snowball such that Trump has the cover, the political cover, to do this without fear of, I think, if part of the component, if he believes that if he does

this, people will love him for it, et cetera, et cetera. I think there's, I think there's a good chance. he's a showman. I actually used to work on the celebrity apprentice. I did all of the season finales for NBC for like 10 years or something like that. So I've been around him. You know, Trump, whether you like him or dislike him, he's no dummy. You know, the guy's smart. Right.

And he's a showman. He understands marketing. There will be no, nothing, I'll put it this way. If he goes up on, you know, or makes a statement in the Oval Office, which is probably where he would do it, saying that NHI are real. They're here. They've been interacting with us for thousands of years. We've got, you know, we've got a bunch of, you know, I won't say how many, but we've got a few of their, their craft sitting in a hangar at Langley or wherever. That moment in media, not only in media, but in the media.

American history, nothing will ever top that. Right. Period of the end. Right. So, you know, if he wants to go down in history, that would be the way to do it. And actually, I'll add, I'll add one last point. You know, so I'm a Democrat. I'm a pretty liberal guy.

Sure. And I used to make fun of Trump and all of his deep state stuff. I thought that was just a bunch of baloney. Right. And that was before I dug into this UAP issue and began developing, relationships and in the government regarding this. And guess what? The deep state stuff, that's at least the one thing Trump is right about. Yeah, they're there. If he were to go and reveal all of this and reveal the dirty tricks that the Central Intelligence Agency has been a

part of, the United States Air Force has been a part of, the Department of Energy has been a part of, 100% will prove to America that this whole deep state stuff that half of the country thinks there's a bunch of bullshit, that will prove it. You know, I mean, it's, it will, all the things Trump has been complaining about in that realm, this proves it right there. So, you know, so Trump, if you're watching, you know, you got to go for it, rip off the band-aid. No other president has done it. Trump, if you do it, you'll go down in history, and you'll be able to tell the public, hey, look at all these other presidents before me,

who didn't have the Cajones to do it. So it's no better time to do it than with this administration. Yeah, I think you're right on that. And by the way, if Trump is watching or listening, then by all means, Mr. President, come on here to UAP or to the Good Trouble Show and let's talk about it. Yeah. All right. Hey, announce it. Announce it on our shows together, if you like. We can even do that. I love it.

Yeah, we'll do a little joint thing. Perfect. I think we got it all planned out, Mr. President. We're good to go. On that note, too, Matt, there was something that, I don't know, some people found a little discouraging. Maybe in my book it was a little discouraging. I want to get your take on it. All this we're talking about with Marco Rubio and with President Trump and with everything with age of disclosure.

he was on, Marco Rubio, that is, Secretary Rubio, was on with Sean Hannity on Fox News, and Sean Hannity asked him about it because Hannity had on Dan Farrah and seemed to be pretty interesting. It was asking those serious questions that we were mentioning earlier. And he brought on Marco Rubio and asked him about it. And they kind of joked around about it a little bit. And Rubio kind of gave the old line, he's like, you know, look, it's one of three things. There's either crazy people or they're right about it or they're lying.

He's like, you know, either one of them is concerning. Rubio seemed to play a little bit bashful on this. He seemed to play a little bit coy on this and didn't have the serious tone that he had, or at least that we were shown, in the age of disclosure film. What was your take when you saw that piece come out? Well, in my book, he went from Marco back down to Little Marco.

I was disappointed. However, what I will say is a rule in government is you never ever make your senior look bad. You never ever get in front of your senior. His senior is President Trump. So for something that big, I mean, there's really no bigger thing in my view than this particular issue for little Marco

to get in front of Trump or to have said something that would have possibly ignited a firestorm perhaps before the administration was ready to deal with it, that would have been political suicide for him. You know, I actually, I like Marco Rubio. I think he seems to be a pretty moderate Republican and doesn't seem to be running around like a chicken with his head chopped off.

I think he is very measured. Marco Rubio is a very smart man. He cares about this country. And he's not going to do anything in that kind of public form that is going to potentially undermine the president or do anything that's going to make Trump think that he's being threatened or his authority's being threatened or anything like that. You know, I think Trump probably runs a pretty tight ship. So as much as I was disappointed in Rubio's response, I can understand. understand why he said what he said, maybe not, I don't think he needed to sort of say it with kind of the joking thing. I think that was a mistake and disappointing. But I can understand.

I can't say that I would necessarily be alarmed by it or think that the tides flip in the other direction. I think it was more just political reality. And again, the, you know, the two tenants in government is do not embarrass your senior and do not get in front of your senior. Yeah, I think that's a good way to look at it. And that actually kind of brings me to another thought that I had is the front facing reaction, like with interviews like that, the words talking about versus the behind the scenes, the things going on behind closed doors. How different? do you think that is? Again, kind of referring back to what Lou Elizando has just been talking about over the past few days. The front facing reaction versus behind closed doors. Do you think it's really heating up? What have you heard about some of these discussions that are happening behind closed doors, whether it's between Marco Rubio or anybody else higher up within the administration or different cabinet members?

To be honest, it's been pretty locked down. So I have not heard anything. I would say, I said earlier that Trump has really the perfect cabinet in that you have Marco, you know, Marco Rubio, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, so Tulsi knows everything. She has for a while. So he's really got the right people to advise him on this. So if I were to take a wild guess, I would say that there have been significant discussions within the White House regarding this. I would be wildly surprised if that were not the case. Is it good or bad that John Ratcliffe is the head of the CIA when it comes to this discussion,

being that he was in Tulsi Gabbard's position, Director of National Intelligence, and now he's head of CIA. Is that good or bad for disclosure? I think it's probably good. Now, to be honest, I don't know a whole lot about him. But I will say that when he was when he was DNI, he really, on Fox News, said some pretty substantial things. Yeah. And really, in my view, was probably the most direct about it and what he said. You know, and I don't remember the exact quote, but he essentially said that, you know,

we see these things on our satellites going in and out of our atmosphere. So this isn't like, you know, some big secret that we're not seeing this stuff. So my hope is that he is a positive influence on this thing. Now, the thing to keep in mind with all of this stuff in government is it's not the elected officials that often get to see everything, like the Secretary of Defense or the director of the CIA or the president, as was discussed on the age of disclosure. So you never really do know how much he was told or maybe some certain things were left out, maybe some of the little naughty things that the CIA may have done, really naughty things. So it's just hard to say.

But in my view, from what I've seen him do prior to this position in the administration, in this particular Trump administration, I think it's positive. I hope I'm right. Yeah, and I guess time will tell, I suppose, on that one. Kind of on the behind the scenes type things, though. I want to bring up Arrow. I know you have strong opinions on Arrow.

I saw a couple of things within the past 24 to 48 hours that you personally were talking about with Arrow that you were personally involved in, I guess I could say. what type of role do you think Arrow is playing right now, good or bad in disclosure? And did they reach out to you? How do I put this? Their recruiter, their recruiter did. So they hired a company, a recruiting company that handles things related to like national security.

So this contractor for Arrow sent me a DM on LinkedIn and said, hey, we think you would be a perfect candidate for this position. These are the requirements. This is the job title. These are, these would be your responsibilities. And when can we schedule a time to chat? Wow. Hey guys.

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Shopify.com slash UAP. So, yeah, at first I thought it was like some kind of, I thought I was being punked or something. You know, maybe Mick West punking me. I mean, I have no idea. But yeah, no, it was legit. And I'll be doing a show maybe this weekend that will go into depth, go into a great detail and some other, we'll say, naughty things that Arrow has been up to that the public isn't aware of. Interesting.

My hope is that, and I certainly hope there are members of Congress watching your show, that when they see what I'm about to dump, it should, should, and I hope to God, should compel these folks to hold a hearing about this. because what Arrow has been up to is really quite un-American. And lawmakers, I would think, when they hear what I have to say, I think are going to be pretty enraged. So, and I'll say, there are good people in Arrow. There are people trying to do the right thing.

As with anything in government, every organization, especially the larger they become, there are factions within that organization. I've actually heard Dr. John Kislauski, the head of Arrow, is a really great guy. But those folks are only, those folks, Arrow leadership is going to do

what the people up the chain of command tell that person to do. These are lifelong bureaucrats, either from the intelligence community or DOD. These people are not risk takers. The last thing that they're going to want to do, or John Kisloski, especially, you know, you think about it, these guys that have been in there, they're at the end of their careers. They are not going to do anything to jeopardize their pension, their security clearance, anything like that.

These people, Kirkpatrick, Kislauski, Tim Phillips, they're going to, they'll get an order from up the chain saying, hey, we want you to be a big. disinformation outlet and that person is going to salute and say yes sir, yes ma'am, and they're going to, they're going to accomplish, they're going to execute on that mission. These folks are mission oriented. That's what they do. Disinformation is a job. That is like a career. People get paid to do that. For a long time too. Look, it's like Jeremy Corbell told me this a long time ago. He said, he was like, brother, you're always going to, just remember, somebody's always working you. In other words, people that you speak with that come from the government or were part of the government and are probably still part of the government, even though they say they're not part of the government,

they're always working you. And I don't take it personally whatsoever. That is their job. People have jobs. All of us, mostly, want to be really good. at our job and be accomplished and do a good job. And all of these folks, they love their country. But if, you know, if John Kisloski is being told up the chain of command, hey, this whole UAP thing, let's say John does know about everything, I'm not real sure about that, but let's say he does,

but the people up the chain say, look, if this comes out, we're going to have a big alien invasion and, you know, I don't know, all the things like that. So, John, John, we need you to run this as a fly paper operation. He's going to salute smartly and say, yes, sir. And that's it. That's his job. But in general, Arrow is a disaster. It is a disaster.

It was designed to be a disaster. The very first year of Arrow's existing, Kirkpatrick didn't spend his budget. I mean, Arrow should be defunded. Arrow should be dissolved, and certain people on Arrow need to be brought in front of Congress under oath and then also interviewed in a skiff because, you know, in many of these saps and caps, part of what's in that security classification guide gives them the cover stories if they are, if they are called to testify in front of Congress, this is what you're supposed to say, or this is what we want you to say. Do not say this. It's expected for them to lie in front of Congress. That's just going to happen.

But still nonetheless, Congress, in my view, should put many of these people up on the stand. Put them under oath. And, yeah, and ask him a few things. Arrow cannot be trusted, period, the end. Yeah, I mean, two things come to mind. Number one, it sounds like, and, I mean, I shouldn't say it sounds like I think it should being known by anybody, quite frankly, who's been paying attention. I hate to sound so blunt, but that arrow essentially is a puppet organization.

It's a front. It was supposed to be put there. Again, front facing versus behind the scenes, right? Front facing, we're the good guys. We're trying to help you with this. And behind the scenes, we're actually trying to destroy this and keep the secrets. And that should be infuriating, right? Because you and I and everybody listening or watching pays for Arrow with taxpayer dollars.

So why are we paying for this? Yeah. I know. I mean, Stephen, you're bringing up a really great point. This, in my view, is just a freaking piggy bank that a bunch of money keeps getting thrown into and that money being our taxpayer dollars. They're wasting our taxpayer dollars, period. There's no two ways about it.

The gross negligence by Pentagon era, is, you know, the negligence knob on their amplifier is at 11. We'll put that. We'll put it that way. So they're not doing their job. They are doing a job that is not part of their job, which basically be this flypaper organization and shape the narrative. They're not doing what they were congressionally mandated to be doing.

you look at the absolute dissu of a historic report, of which they've never provided what their evidence was to back up their, to, you know, the evidence that helped them reach the conclusions in that report. They've never done that. You know, they are not transparent about what they're doing. But I think what is transparent to the American people and to members of Congress is that that whole organization is one giant bullshould factory. That's all it is, plain and simple.

They are wasting taxpayer dollars. They are giving the middle finger to Congress. And you go and you look at Sean Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips, once they exited Arrow, isn't it kind of weird that they were still messaging, They were doing all this counter messaging in public forums. I mean, do you really think Tim Phillips, who is a career intelligence official, is going to hop on a podcast and spill the United States' most darkest kept secrets, saying that, you know, we have vehicles the size of, I think he said,

like a Klingon battle cruiser or something like that? Do you really think he's going to go rogue, make unauthorized disclosures? to saps and caps that he was read into and dump stuff on a podcast? No, this is what they were told to do. They were told once they're out, we need you to go and spread this disinformation. This is a big information operation. This is what we need you to do. Yes, sir, yes, ma'am, consider it done.

I don't have no proof of that. That is, I'm telling you my personal opinion. Sure. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the people that have exited arrow and the just big effort on their part to try and embarrass members of Congress, to say this is all baloney, to disparage whistleblowers. This whole arrow thing is a giant information operation. And they're doing the bare minimum to try and at a minimum satisfy the congressional mandate. So what did they do? They're looking for balloons and mandarial systems and all that kind of stuff.

They're not doing their job. They're not supposed to do the job that they were given to do. And that's where we'll end it for now for that part one there with myself and Matt Ford. really, really, again, great stuff. Just kind of reflecting on some of the things that we spoke about there. I had that image when we were talking about the age of disclosure. And I actually kind of had that thought over the past few days about what that would be like. What would that moment be like if we see, you know, the most prominent UFO disclosure movie in recent memory to come out,

or at least, you know, a movie that is pushing that narrative. Of course, there's been some great ones from James Fox and others, but this as far as the latest one getting the most attention right now, what would that be like if it was on the stage at the Oscars? That's one thing that we've never had before. We've had it with science fiction movies, namely Steven Spielberg, who I'll also mention in a second here, but we've never had it with a documentary.

And so just kind of picturing that moment, having that moment for the UFO community, for disclosure. And hopefully by the time the Oscar is rolling, around, which I believe are normally on at the end of March somewhere in there, early April, end of March, if I remember correctly, hopefully maybe we'll even know more, maybe more things have come out since then over the next four months. That's something that we're all hoping for, but if we're still kind of stagnant, if you will, or inching, at least inching forward, a moment like that would be, I think, pretty big. Maybe pretty big as an understatement.

So I just wanted to kind of bring that up with him and it was kind of cool to just theorize what that moment would be like to see them on stage and to have that moment in the sun that that's shining light on this conversation in front of the world stage at the Oscars. I hope that happens. That would be really, really cool to see. And well deserved, too, by the way, in my opinion. And a shout out to anybody from Congress who's listening to the show. You know, Matt mentioned he's like, I hope there's some members of Congress to listen to the show.

I know for sure that Eric Burleson does, which I appreciate. Shout out to him. He's always great on here. And I'm hoping that a few others do. So I'm looking forward to seeing what Matt has to release when it comes to what he found out from Arrow. We actually do get into a little bit more of that in part two. So stay tuned for that in just a few days. But also look out for his show to see what he's going to be featuring when it comes to Arrow.

And the things that's a dirty little secrets that they found out is going to air that dirty laundry. And I think that's going to be really important for accountability. Right. We want accountability. And we actually get into that in part two as well. how much accountability would there be if we did get disclosure for some of these people who have been hiding those very dirty secrets? And should we have immunity for some people or at least some type of reconciliation is a term that we use when we get into it in part two? Should we have that for people who want to come out and speak but are too afraid of the repercussions?

So it's a very deep, multifaceted discussion. it's not an easy answer. It's not an easy question. But that's something that we get into in part two. You know, this was definitely no frills. I didn't want to hold back here. I really wanted to kind of hit on that hard-hitting type of stuff. And I'm glad that we did because even more in part two, there's a lot in there that I think you're going to enjoy.

Actually, part two starts right off with Elon Musk and what Elon might know based off of a recent interview that he had. And so much more coming up in part two as well. But I'll preview that when the time comes in the next few days. So stay tuned. Make sure you're following along on social media at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter and TikTok at UA Podcast 850 there at UAP on YouTube and S-Dieneruap at gmail.com. If you want to send any messages through that email S-Diener, UAP at gmail.com or through any of the social media channels, feel free to do that always because I'll do my best to get back to you.

Hopefully pretty quickly, knowing myself, probably not quickly, but I will get back to. you at some point. But I did say I wanted to mention Stephen Spielberg, because I thought this was worth bringing up. Some excitement going around about his new UFO themed movie called, well, actually, we don't know even know the name of it yet. The early indications was that it was going to be called disclosure. Oddly enough, a pretty fitting name for the things going on these days.

But it's still untitled, except for the fact of this cryptic poster that went up in Los Angeles and in Times Square with an odd picture. It's hard to tell what this picture is of. It seems like some type of alien, but also it looks like a crow. In the middle, there's an eye, but there's like a silhouette of a crow or a Blue Jay or a Cardinal. It's very hard to tell.

It's very cryptic poster that went up in Times Square, and it says, all will be disclosed. Spielberg, June 12th, 2026. So I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of excitement, and hoopla and hubb surrounding this movie and this new project that Steven Spielberg is working on. It's been in the works. We've spoken about it here before in the past that this was something that he's been working on. I think, gosh, I spoke about this early in 2025, I think.

So it's really cool to kind of see this coming to fruition. And if I remember correctly, I believe David Crush was an advisor on this film, along with a couple of others. And I don't know how long that lasted, you know, if it was all throughout production. I mean, remember, Spielberg, it wouldn't be the first time that he uses somebody in the know, if you will, as an advisor on a production because he used Jay Allen Heineck on Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I mean, he was on the set. He was giving the advice, spoken to Paul Heinek about that before here on the show a while back. So it would kind of be par for the course for Steven Spielberg to use someone like David Grush or anybody else in that field. to get advice and get some guidance on this topic as it currently stands.

So that's going to be a lot of fun to look forward to and to discuss and talk about and theorize about as time goes on. But that will be next June, this new Steven Spielberg movie. And I can't wait to get into all the theories and all the excitement that's going to surround it over the next six months. So looking forward to what that has to bring here in the UFO community. But again, really enjoy that there with Matt Ford. and I hope you did too, really kind of, you know, one of those discussions that really we can sink our teeth into and reflect on and really consider the magnitude of some of these topics and some of these questions and the gravity of the repercussions of the stuff coming out. You know, what is going on behind the scenes with the Trump administration? And what would that be like if and hopefully when they decide to discuss this?

He has said in the past that, and I'll mention this real quick before we're done, but because it's worth mentioning, there's been clips coming out during the campaign where he was on different podcasts. I think this particular one was on the Lex Friedman podcast, where he said, Lex Friedman had asked him, would you pressure the Pentagon? It was actually very smart the way he asked it. He didn't ask in the traditional way,

are you going to talk about aliens, you're going to reveal anything? He asked, would you pressure the Pentagon to reveal, some of the videos that people say that they have, that they haven't revealed of UFOs. And Trump answered, yeah, in short, he answered, yes, I want to do that, I should do that. I think we need to do that. And he spoke to Rogan about it. I think, you know, Matt and I mentioned that. So this is something that he hasn't shied away from in the past.

And it's just odd that it's the only thing that he said he was going to disclose that he hasn't disclosed yet. You know, he spoke about JFK, spoke about RFK, spoke about RFK, spoke about RFK, spoke about MLK and through Tulsi Gabbard's Department of National Intelligence, they have disclosed those things. And this is that fourth thing, if you will, maybe in my opinion, the crown jewel of those four things that he mentioned. And this fourth one has yet to come to fruition. So we have to ask the question why.

Now, obviously, there's a lot of things going out, you know, around in the world that says the president of the United States you have to focus on, make no illusions about that. But it's done the other three. so will that fourth one come about? That remains to be seen. So all these questions kind of posed out there again. I really enjoy this personally because it was that type of conversation they could really sink your teeth into

and just really theorize and talk about these things for a long time and kind of wonder where is this all going to go. So important stuff here today and I can't wait to bring even more of it in part two with my discussion with Matt Ford. Looking forward to getting that out to you. So stay tuned there. I'll let you know when that's coming out in the next few days. But until then, continue to follow along and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast on all the major platforms, as well as UAP investigates. I've mentioned it in the past. It is still going to come out.

I know it's kind of collecting dust on the shelf. Quite frankly, it's, I hate to say, it's frustrating, but it is. It's a waiting game for me. I'm not holding this back. It's kind of being, it's kind of stuck in limbo, just like some movie productions get stuck in limbo sometimes. you're waiting for some pieces to come together at the very end. Kind of like what, not comparing myself for my projects to what Dan Farah has done, but all the problems, all the issues that he went through trying to release the age of disclosure.

I'm kind of in that mode right now with myself with UAP investigates. It's done. I really badly want to get it out there because it's the hardest they've ever worked on something in my entire life. 10 episode series about the effects of anomalous health incidences, anomalous health injuries, and how all that plays in with the abduction cases and implants and all these different things when it comes to anomalous health incidences. Interviews in there with Loua Lazzando with Jeff Nusatelli, with Jason Sands, with Anthony Williams, Linda Thompson, and Bob Salas and someone, no one in the UFO community has ever heard from before,

a man named Mr. Jay, who has the most. incredible stories I have ever heard in my entire life of covering or consuming UFO lore. I've never heard anything like this. His stories before. It's exclusive as exclusive as can be. And that is all part of UAP investigates. So I'm looking forward to getting that out to you. The reason why I talk about this now is just to let you know that it's still coming out

and to make sure that you subscribe to it early. It is open. The channel is open. And so search out as long as you're subscribed to UAP. If you haven't done it already, UAP investigates, search it out on the same platforms you can find UAP on and be an early subscriber to UAP investigates that way. When it does come out, you're ready to go and can finally put it out there. I can't even tell you how badly I want to get it out.

So hopefully soon, I'll let you know exactly when it's happening. But I just wanted to get that update out to you and remind you of it and make sure that you are subscribing to it now before it comes out. all that said, that'll do it here for today on this episode of UAP. Again, thank you to Matt Ford. Can't wait to get part two out in the next few days, and I'll keep you up to date on when that is coming out. So until then, I'll just say thank you all again for everything and for all the support.

It always means the world. Thank you for always coming back here and trusting me with this topic right here on UAP. So until next time, it is Stephen Dina here saying, be well, and thanks so much. Talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified, podcast.