UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 178 James Fox Presents Incredible New Details on "Brazilian Roswell"

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Commonly referred to as the "Brazilian Roswell" the Varginha, Brazil UFO crash and recovery is one of the most hotly contested and investigated close encounter stories of all time. Famous filmmaker, James Fox, the man who has done the most amount of work on this story, joins Stephen Diener to present the new truly shocking details that he has uncovered and shows in his new documentary, "The Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters." If you're a skeptic now, then get ready, because this might change everything for you...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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for episode number 178. of the Unidentified Alien podcast and it's a special one here today not only because it is Christmas week so I'll say an early Merry Christmas to everybody who's celebrating and to also happy New Year because it's a special week for all the

holidays but also because we get to bring back on James Fox and this is someone I really truly admire I'm not just saying that as like you know part of a glossy intro here on the show I really really admire what he does his work all the effort the heart and soul that he puts into what he does. I really admire that about him. So it was very, very excited to be able to speak with him here

again today on UAP, especially considering what he was presenting for his new film, moment of contact, new revelations of alien encounters. And this covers the Virginia Brazil case back in 1996, January 1996. And of course, he's covered this before in his original film about it. But this is now a follow-up to that where he went back and spoke to the, firsthand, truly, like literally, first-hand witnesses in the military, in the hospitals, the civilians, who actually handled

the non-human beings, aliens, creatures, whatever you want to call them, that were seen, that were recovered, along with crash recovery, and brought into the hospitals. He speaks with the neurosurgeons. He speaks with the military members. It's just a truly remarkable follow-up

that he did here on this story. And one that really kind of, kind of left me shook throughout the interview of thinking to myself, holy cow, like this stuff, like this is really all true. I've always been fascinated, extremely fascinating, intrigued by Virginia for the fact that, you know, that might have actually really happened. And after I was done talking to him here during this interview, I kind of just had to sit back and think to myself, good gosh, like, what do we do with this?

So really, really remarkable stuff here today with James Fox as he speaks about what new things he learned that are presented in his new film, Moment of Contact, new revelations of alien encounters having to do with the Virginia Brazil case. This is out today, by the way, so you can search it on Google and find it on the streaming platforms that it's playing on. But until then,

first listen to this and then you can search for the movie because this will definitely be a good primer for the movie. So myself and James Fox about his new film with just truly incredible details, new details, groundbreaking even, regarding

the Virginia Brazil case right now on UAP. Enjoy. Well, I'm very excited for this today because this is something that I was hoping for and planning for over the past few months is to have James Fox back on the show here today. James, thanks coming back on. We have a new film to talk about, so I'm glad to have you back on here on UAP. Thanks so much for inviting me on.

Yeah, absolutely. And when I say it was something that was in the back of my mind for the past few months because we saw each other a few months ago in D.C., at the congressional hearing. And I remember speaking to you in the hall then and saying to you, you know, I'd love to have you back on the show soon. And I remember you saying,

well, I'm working on this stuff with, you know, moment of contact, some new things, and, you know, we'll see when it comes out. So glad that we get to talk about it now. I'm excited to talk about this. Moment of contact, new revelations of alien encounters. This looks incredible. So first off, what are your initial thoughts on it

Now that it is about to come out, I can't wait to see it. You know, thank you for that introduction. I wonder sometimes whether or not the initial moment of contact that was released in 2022 was a little ahead of its time. And I don't mean that in a good way because, you know, we were just coming out with, you know, the New York Times article a few years earlier, the revelation of a secret penitimate. on UFO program. And there were some, you know, with the phenomenon, my doc that came out, you know, there was a hint at sort of crash retrievals and bodies. But this goes, does a deep dive into,

you know, an alleged UFO crash and live aliens walked through the town. I don't think people knew how to quite process it, you know. It was before David Grush. Right. And the allegations that he makes, you know, under oath of, went to a bipartisan group of lawmakers and open congressional hearing. I think people, I don't know, mainstream media might have just been going through some ontological shock or couldn't process, couldn't wrap their minds around. I hope some more time has come, you know, has passed since then, additional, you know, hearings, additional allegations of crash retrieval, additional allegations of biologics in the possession. And I think those on their own, while extremely compelling and jaw-dropping,

I think that moment of contact coupled with the hearings makes a really good kind of one-two punch because, you know, you've got like for instance, age of disclosure, phenomenal. I mean, the message that's being delivered at the highest levels is incredible, but there's no case, right? So it's like moment of contact is a great follow-up to age of disclosure and they kind of help each other, right? Yeah. So I'm I'm extremely excited about this new one. It's it's unprecedented. We've never before in history. And certainly as far as I know, had extremely compelling firsthand eyewitness testimony.

This guy just happens to run the entire neurosurgical department at regional hospital. And he still works there. The head neurosurgeon with everything to lose and nothing to gain, you know, saying, yeah, I was in the room with a captured live alien and had communication, telepathic through the eyes for. between three and four minutes. I mean, that's just extraordinary. I mean, if that's true, that's the biggest story. I can't think of a bigger story. And I'm convinced, obviously, it is true. Yeah, I mean, truly. And there's so much there that I would love to kind of pick a part there. Number one, I think you bring up a great point in that this story is just so incredible. Probably

ontological shock is the key term there because I remember when I first started looking into Virginia and learning about this and learning about this and learning about the the witnesses and you start to really dig into it. And of course, your work on it and the original documentary on it. And you kind of had that moment where you say to yourself, oh my gosh, this is really, really credible. And these witnesses really don't seem like they're lying. Like, they don't seem like they're making this up. And I remember thinking that, you know, when I first looked into this, you know, years ago. And I think you make a good point where you say, timing, right? Timing of the first film coming out.

talking about this case and now kind of coming off of Asia disclosure where you have a Dan Farah going out and speaking on with Bill Murray or on Fox News or on CNN or wherever he might have been and it seems more palatable now and I feel like

and I think you probably agree I feel like maybe this works in favor of the story that you're telling here with now new revelations of alien encounters with moment of contact where people can take this and not only pick up where you left off with the Varsini case, but also now start from the beginning and start to now wrap it all together.

And it just, it seems like now perfect timing. And maybe people receive it more, you know, more now. Like they understand that possibility of this being true. Well, it's crazy because this new cut has a brand new 20 minute opening that's never before seen, you know, all footage. And I basically took, you know, all the congressional hearings. and I wasn't trying to rehash what people are already familiar with, but trying to put it in context, you know, and quickly do a snapshot history perspective on the last couple of years leading up to,

you know, crash retrieval in America and I give various examples. You know, we cover Kingman a little bit, Kexburg, the landing at Bentwater's. What is it, Magenta? Yes. 1933 in Italy, went to Italy. And then obviously we touched on Roswell. again, not trying to regurgitate what we've already been, but a quick snapshot, like, hey, as extraordinary as this sounds, it's not the first allegation, right? We've got, it's dating back to at least

1933 and possibly, who knows. But, and we have the chief of police for the first time in history. We have two forensic pathologists, one that did the, the autopsy on the deceased military officer. We have a deep dive into, you know, the tissue samples from the guy who founded the company IPD who did the analysis on the tissue samples from the deceased military officer and says he's never seen a bacteria like do what it's doing in the history of his career and he's in his 80s and he founded the company that did it and we have now the head neurosurgeon at regional hospital we always knew that the creature was dropped off at regional hospital we knew that we reported on it several years ago now we have the head surgeon and last night i'm in brazil right now last night we had

meetings with all the doctors, a private, well, you know, some of it will be coming out. And there, there's more to come. Really? So even more now on top of everything that's that's coming out. It's, it's, it's unwrapped. We met with the mayor. We're having a screening here on the, uh, in a couple of days. Wow. Witnesses are being invited because I tell people like it's, it's power in numbers, right? Yeah. So like if you're ever going to think about coming forward, now's the time to do it. We've got the 30th anniversary coming up in, in, in, you know, January 20th, you know, 2026. And we have, you know, the film's coming out now.

So we get the buzz going and there's other things that they're going to be happening. But I'm very excited. I think this is the case that's going to, it's going to really, you know, prove that this is really happening. I mean, it's, again, it's just one of those cases, right, where we still talk about Roswell almost 80 years later or, you know, whatever case it might be. Rendell-Sim, you know, you mentioned that or Kexberg. These are all 40, 50, 60, 70 years old. And, you know, like I said, Roswell case, almost 80 years old. And with this one approaching the 30th anniversary, which is probably mind-blowing for you to even consider, it's mind-blowing for me.

But now that, you know, we kind of stack these up, and it's on the surface, it's almost so hard to believe for some people who maybe are just starting to kind of like take samples of the subject. And then they see what you're presenting here where you're talking. And this is what really fascinates me about the Virginia case and all the work. you've done on it is the health aspect forensics medical records these are things that are really really really hard to fake and these are things you know it's it's one thing to talk to somebody and say i saw something in the sky or i saw something land these are subjective things when you're talking forensics that's not really that's subjective i mean these these are things that are hard to refute And you have these things now in your updated, you know, new moment of contact, if you will.

Yeah. Scientists going all out. I don't care what the consequence are. Brain surgeon. I don't care what the consequences are. This happened. I was there. I'll take a public light detector test with my right hand on a Bible.

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He said if he survives all of it, he was going to, just despite the convalued. consequences he's going to go public. And he did. And it's incredible. The whole thing is incredible. And I understand, look, anybody out there that's thinking like, this is ridiculous, this is impossible. There's no way there was a UFO crash and live aliens through the town. Like, I understand that skepticism better than anybody else because I was working on my second UFO documentary in the late 1990s or possibly right around 2000. Out of the blue, he didn't have a title for at the time. And at the beginning of every one of my films, we always do sort of broad stroke, you know, map out of like, okay, let's cover this case. Let's go to England and cover

the Bent Waters. Let's go to Phoenix. And my partner at the time, Tim Coleman, I had two partners, Boris Zuboff and Tim Coleman. And Tim says, he's British. Oh, yeah, mate, we got to cover this case in Brazil with this UFO crashed and, you know, these larvae aliens walk through town. It's absolutely, you know, mind bending. And I looked over at him and I just thought, I think I picked the wrong partner. This guy's lost. Got a couple screws loose. And I refused to read one sentence or even look into the case.

I dismissed it for over 10 years because I thought it can't be. Therefore, it isn't. And then I went to Brazil and Stanton Friedman actually said I should look into it. We were there at a conference. It was probably 2011 maybe, 2010, 2011, something like that. And, and I said, well, I'm going to look into this case and I'm going to have it. I'm going to dismiss it almost immediately. And that was my intent.

Like, okay, I'll look into it and I'm going to dismiss it. And then I looked into it. And the more I looked into it, the more I slowly came to the realization, I think this happened. Yeah. Wow. And now, yeah, of course, I'm absolutely convinced. What was the moment like for you? I was really struck by a moment in the trailer that came out.

you and I believe it was the neurosurgeon. Itilo Venturelli. Yes, you guys were sitting together. Dr. It looked like you were sitting together. Maybe he had a diner or some type of setting like that. We got kicked out of the hospital. He snuck us in the back and took us into the ICU to the exact room where the creature was held.

Oh, so that's where you were sitting when you were talking. No, we were filming in there illegally. He snuck us in the back of the hospital building. and we got caught by the management, half filming, and then they kicked us out of the hospital, and he's like, I think I just lost my job.

Oh. We all leave, and we didn't know where we're going to go to finish the interview, and we found a cafe right next door, and that's where we've set up in a cafe just randomly. That's wild. Now, let me ask you real quick,

I guess just side note, then why were they so against you guys filming in there? Just privacy rules, or did they not want him talking about it? A number of reasons. You know, so many reasons. I mean, you know, the implications.

I mean, we're in the ICU. We're filming. We don't have permits. We're revealing something that quite honestly, many people don't want out. It's not exactly career enhancing, I think,

for some doctors that, you know, their patients like, oh, yeah, my doctor's going to do a, you know, operation on me, but he sees aliens and communicates,

Stella, like, you know, the military shut it down. I mean, there's just so many different reasons. But, you know, you can't just,

and you can't just walk into a hospital with a film crew, you know. And we were in the ICU. We had to put the gear on. Wow. Yeah. Well, hey, look, you were getting it done. And one of the parts that struck me from there, I didn't know that backstory, so that's pretty incredible.

But once you guys were in the cafe and you have that moment talking back and forth and he's telling you about this telepathic communication for about four minutes or so, it seemed like both of you got emotional. What was that moment like? And what was it specifically that really? kind of, you know, through language barriers, got you guys both emotional. Well, I asked him, how does it feel after 29 years of bottling this up to come out and talk about it now? And I know there's nobody that knows ridicule better than I do, right?

I mean, I've been laughed at for decades. To have that weight pulled off your back. And he teared up, started to cry. And he looked at me and I felt those emotions too. And it was like, hey, I wouldn't be dedicating the prime years of my adult life to this case, 16 years if I didn't believe it was true. And he grabbed my hands and he kissed my hands and he said, you can believe it. You can believe it. Wow.

And then he says, we have a lot to learn from the eyes of that being. He said it was the most advanced intelligence like an angel. Like it, despite being in the room, despite being in captivity in the room, it had control of the room. And that it could read his thoughts. And then it was the most benign, high level, advanced intelligence of anything he's ever looked at. He said it was just, and this guy plays piano like Mozart. He's a neurosurgeon. He's an incredible human being.

Wow. And he has like, look, man, I have nothing to gain by doing this. Right. So. Yeah, and that's it. Man. Emotional moment. Yeah.

I mean, is it something, I was actually going to ask you that where he said, you know, I had nothing to gain by doing this. And I know some people will listen or they'll watch and they'll say, well, this is just Hollywood. This is made up. These are actors. So what do you? And that's, you know, look, skepticism is fine and people have their opinions. That's completely fine. Yeah, totally.

I don't, I don't. Yeah, I get it. Believe me. But what would you say to that? If you were trying to, if you wanted to convince somebody that this is. really going on and you were trying to do that. What would you say to somebody that said, well, how do you know, James, that they're not lying? How do you know they're not making all this up?

What tells you that they're not? So one of the things that we did in the new cut of the film was as we got, we got new eyewitness testimony of the alleged crash. We took a Google map and we actually like mapped everything out from all the sightings from the crash the alleged crashed impact site the sightings from the two farmers at three four o'clock in the morning the sighting from another guy fabio fortado at this other farm and we actually mapped it out and it was like everything the piece of the puzzle fit perfectly it was like oh my gosh this is where this happened this is where this happened this is where the crash site was like holy crap and then

we have every bit of testimony from all the various witnesses and we start mapping out like this is where this We know that the sighting with the three girls happened here two blocks away. The capture with Marco Suresi and Eric Lopes, who was driving the car. They take it to one clinic. The doctor says, get it out of here. I don't know what that thing is. They take it to regional hospital. We know that.

And there's a plaque at regional hospital talking about this out front. It's like in plain sight. And then now we have testimony from the head neurosurgeon at regional hospital. Like everything fits perfectly together. And then we have testimony from the individual who drove the creature, Military X, which we checked his bona fides. And the whole chain of command and where it went and where it ended up. And then the flight that comes into Campinas, you know, we did a FOIA request for all the flight records.

We got a response three years later from the CIA. It's all in the movie. It's like everything fits together perfectly. No, like it's incredible. And there might be one or two witnesses that wasn't sure of the. exact day, you know what I mean, but they pieced together perfectly on the map, everything. And everybody would have to be lying, hallucinating, making this stuff up. And not only that, do you know how hard it is to get people to come forward? People weren't just like, hey, I'm over

here. I was a witness. I wanted to, we would find some witnesses is better. We're five years trying to get them to come forward. And then some of them would say, I'm never coming forward to matter what. And then they come forward. I mean, last night, wow. Last night, man, we had all the doctors together for the first time in history of the case, okay? And more information on that will come out soon and and their wives. Wow. And we've filmed and documented the whole event. And that will be released coming up soon. Just from a personal note, talking about the relationship with the forensic pathologist, talking about The other doctor who worked on the military officer who ultimately died trying to keep him alive.

The person that did the autopsy, the person that studied the tissue samples. How long have you guys all known each other? 40 years, 38 years, 35 years. Do you believe Dr. Eatfielo when he says he had fit? Yes, every single person down the line. Absolutely no question. If he says it happened, it happened. So everybody would have to be making this.

It's just in a court of law, if we presented this case, it would be. a slam dunk. Wow. Wow. It's just incredible stuff. Moment of contact. New revelations of alien encounters. You guys got to check this out because we're, I guess I'll just straight up

ask it this way. Was your life threatened, James? There was a moment in that and just in the trailer that I saw where someone, you're trying to speak to somebody in their home and he's kind of yelling out the window and it looks like he's threatening to shoot you guys. What was going on? Oh, yeah. that was, yeah.

Who was he and why? I didn't get the field translation at the time, but yeah, he's threatened us three or four times that he's going to remove us with bullets every time we asked a question. But I didn't realize until after the fact because I didn't get the translators

at that moment. Yeah, that was the guy that was allegedly driving the car during the second capture of the live alien. And his buddy, Marco, it was Eric Lopes's house. And his buddy, Marco Choriz is the other military officer who allegedly grabbed the creature, got a scratch in the process under his arm right here. And then he got this bacteria infection and he was dead within a couple weeks.

My gosh. 23 years old, yeah. That was actually crazy. No, it is. I mean, and the medical aspect is something. Again, if I can just draw back to that real quick is something that that truly intrigues me to say the least. because you have, you can believe it or not what they saw, what they're saying, the telepathic, the alien, the crash site, the crash recovery, whatever you want to believe. But the fact is, people died, right? I mean, soldiers died. Do we, what did you find out about these infections that people were getting when they had physical contact or they were getting scratched? Why do we think that's happening?

So we heard of, we heard of other cases where this may have happened, but the only real solid one was Marco Sherezi, military officer. Now, this being didn't intentionally try to kill him. Right. This being in the process of being grabbed off, you know, because it went across the road in front of them, just a few blocks away from where the girls had encountered it within 10 feet, all three of them in broad daylight, 10 feet away. and then just a couple blocks later, just a couple hours later. I mean, everything lines up perfectly, right? The bacteria, when the Dr. Cesario was working on the military officer when he was sick, he said this last night too.

He said, I threw the kitchen sink at him, every type of antibiotic that I could possibly give him. And this thing was resilient to everything. He goes, I've never seen anything like it. and he goes, I did everything I could to keep him alive, and he died. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy-to-run email and social media campaigns.

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He has never before and never since. Did they keep any samples of the bacteria, do you know, or did they say anything like this? They actually want to exhum the body. They're trying to get permission to exhum the body, but there was another body put on top of it, or cask put on top. So we have to get permission. He would have to get permission from that family to remove that cast and then go deeper and get the other one. So that's one thing they want to do.

But yeah, so. Wow. Right. In order to keep studying that bacteria, I suppose then. Yeah, the sister of the deceased military officers said that when he died, they couldn't get him in the ground fast enough, which kind of like, I guess if it's true and he really did have this deadly bacteria, I guess they'd want to do that. I don't know.

Wow. I want to go back to something you said earlier, too, about, you know, the actual neurosurgeon who was there in the room. that moment where he has that communication, he's looking into the eyes of this being. It almost reminded me, I want to get your take on this, it reminded me of the story that Jake Barber has told,

where he has this feeling of communication, almost a euphoria, the sense of calm, the sense of peace. It sounds like they had a similar experience. Of course, years apart. Should we take anything away from that? You know, he said that it was calm, collected, like peaceful. Like I said, he called it an angel.

And he said when he looked into the eyes and he, last night we were going into much more detail about this. He said they were shaped like tear drops. Like our eyes go like that. He said these eyes went like this down and the head was shaped the same way as the eyes were. And they were red like a deep red. Now, he described the skin is more white. But it had the horns, not horns, but lumps on the one, two, three lumps, spindly short, I don't know, three and a half, four feet tall, big head, spindly arms and legs.

The girls described the exact same creature, except it was brown and greasy and oily. And we don't know, we're speculating, but it was suffering in the hot heat because January is summertime, peak. Peak heat, right? It was outside and all the girls said it was suffering. It looked weak, feeble, scared, suffering. It wanted help. And when it was in an air-conditioned room in the hospital, its skin, according to the witness, was more white.

Exact description, but didn't have the smell and it didn't have, it had whiter skin, which was, you know, I don't know, to anyone's guess as to what happened. But he said it was, he was an angel. He described it literally as an angel. Did he feel like he's... Look at his eyes and it read all of his thoughts. That's what he said.

Okay. I was wondering that too as far as reading thoughts. Did he feel like there was actual... Was he being told anything? Were they conversating or was it just like this feeling of reassurance and reading thoughts? So there are other doctors that were at Humonitas Hospital that apparently had it even more communication with one of the creatures. And last night, we kind of got into... a debate because we've heard like we think there might have been more than two captured we might

have been three four maybe more but we only report on two because that's the most the strongest reports that we have um and if that's the case there are other doctors that we're trying to meet with even off the record to find out if there was more communication that took place as reported in dr lear's book dr roger lear's book sure that he published after his visit in 2002 with Uberdajado Rodriguez, with one of the lead investigators on the case. He reported on having met with two doctors from Humanitas. Now, the doctor we met with was at regional.

We know the creature was dropped off at regional, but there are other reports that there were a creature. Now, is it the same creature? Was it a different one? I mean, description, it was the same race or whatever. Yeah. But we don't know. We don't know what happened after the military burst in

according to the medical doctors from regional to Humanaitas. Did they take that live creature to Humantas or did they take that live creature directed to Campinas or as a military base? We don't know yet. We're not sure. But we do have testimony from creatures taken from Humannitas Hospital to as a military base and then from as a military base to campinas. And that's where the Americans flew in. I'm not sure. There's still holes to be filled, but we're getting closer.

Yeah, wow. And I was actually just about to ask you that, too, because I know we only have a few minutes left. We don't know what happened to these creatures then after everything was all said and done. So one of the lead investigators, Pacaccini, there was Pacachini, Ubitajada Rodriguez, there was Claudio Kovu, Marco Petit, a handful, and my gratitude to all of them in Marco Leal. He said that two or three military officers or officials took a video, like, I don't know how long the video was.

I don't know if it was a minute or two of one of the creatures in captivity as a military base or it was Gempina. And he saw the video. And he said that they took it to document without authorization because they wanted to document the fact that it was there. because the Americans are coming to confiscate everything. That's what he says. And he grew up, that lead investigator, Pachicini, grew up in a place called Thres Carossois, and that's where the military base in the state of Minasjeraes.

That's where it's based. And he grew up there, so he knew a lot of the people that ended up working at as a military base. So he says he'd put his right hanging out, hang out of a Bible and take it, that he saw the videotape that was taken by the military. But there are other potential sources too. Fascinating. And so it's kind of complicated.

No, no, it's one of the most incredible cases out there, which is why, you know, I personally appreciate all your work on this over the years. Just real quick, did they ever get to learn anything about the physiology of these beings through their medical, you know, investigations? I know, because the only doctor that I spoke to that had face-to-face contact with it said that it was only for three or four minutes and it was covered with a blood. blanket up to maybe about maybe about here and and that his friend fellow neurosurgeon marcos venesis who died in 2018 had done a small procedure to it maybe there was a some damage to the head and there was some swelling and he released the pressure with something it was a little just a little procedure but he's dead he died in 2018 so you know we don't know but now if there are other doctors at humanitas hospital that they're going to come forward and I'm

imagine that could happen. We're certainly on the inner circle with the doctors at this point. So we're just going to keep digging and see if we can bring out more information and validate what Roger Lear's book said that there was additional communication at Humonitas. Just truly, truly groundbreaking stuff, James. Congratulations on all this. Incredible work. I wish we had more time.

I could talk to you for the next two hours. So hopefully we can reconvene another time. But on our way out, how does everybody, how can they watch the film? How could they see all of your work that you've done in the past? Oh, thanks so much. You can Google it. There's various platforms, but we're going to be coming out on Amazon, Amazon and Apple and Google Play, Pandango. I will be providing all the links on my X account, and that's at James C. Fox.

C is in Charlie, at James C. Fox. So follow me there, and I'll post everything, make sure everyone has the links. Just fantastic stuff, James. Really appreciate the time. So happy we got to do this. Moment of contact, New Revelations. of alien encounters, go check it out. It's, again, one of the most incredible cases out there.

So, James Fox, thanks so much for coming back on here to UAP. And like I said, hopefully we can do it again in the... Thanks for everyone. Appreciate it. Thanks, James. Just awesome. Awesome, awesome. Thank you, James Fox for coming on here again.

Really appreciate that and his time to come on here. I wish, and you probably heard me say it, I wish we could have spoken for another two hours, but I knew his time was short because he was really lined up with, you know, a press tour for this. so we only were a lot at half an hour but I hope to be able to get him back on another time I just appreciate that he and his team made time for me and the show here today

so we could talk about this and present it to you on this episode really truly enjoyed that my gosh the past two episodes here I don't know about you but I've just kind of left my head spinning in the best way possible to consider those details that James is putting out there and then to look back on the previous episode

from just a few days ago about the Scott Simkinson, NASA Archive UFO photo in the book by Ed Wilson. I mean, to kind of put all this stuff together, it's just like all this information is out there. It's like it makes my head spin trying to keep track of it. And that's my reaction to it. So I can only imagine how you feel just trying to keep track of it as well. But that's why I do this. And that's why I still do it four and a half years later because of cases like the past couple of episodes.

I mean, this is why I do the show. This is why I wanted to do UAP in the first place was because of stuff like this and the past episode as well with Ed Wilson to talk about these things that have so much evidence behind them, forensic evidence, physiological evidence, physical evidence, medical evidence. And it just remains in that area, that gray area of unexplained, but also kind of, yeah, this might be able to be explained as a true alien encounter. I mean, that's the stuff that really just makes me passionate about this discussion

and why I keep coming back myself to do this show for you. So thank you for consuming it. Thank you for coming back and for continuing to listen. And trust me with this subject and with this topic, because, man, that's the kind of stuff that gets to be fired up is these past couple of episodes. just remarkable, incredible, unbelievable, whatever adjective and superlative you want to throw at it. I hope you've been as fired up and enjoy these past couple of episodes as I have because, man, I'm all jazzed up right now, just considering everything we've spoken about over the past few days on episode 177 and now 178.

So thank you before to Ed Wilson. Thank you now to James Fox. And thank you for listening and for taking this all in. Not only this year, but in all the previous. years as now we head in to a new year for UAP and for all of us in 2026. But this is my final new episode of 2025 as now we head into the Christmas holiday and then into the new year. I am taking some time off.

Admittedly, it's going to spend some family time, going to spend some time on the couch, going to try to, you know, a little debrief myself and reset, recharge so I can hit the ground running in 2026 and do this all again and see where the new year brings us every year, every single year. I think I can say this confidently and I think you're going to agree that every single year we have ramped up. There's been one new thing after the other. It's been a step up, a step up.

I don't think we've taken a step down in momentum or stories that have come out since starting the show in July of 2021. So an unbelievable ride this has been so far as I kind of sit back and reflect on the past four and a half years. And I can't even imagine what this new year has in store in 2026. But whatever it has in store, I'm going to be here to talk about it and report on it for you right here on UAP. Make sure to stick around, though, for a lot of greatest hits episodes. I'm not leaving you without anything. I have a nice handful of greatest hits episodes coming up to finish off the year.

a lot of some of the really great interviews that I've done over the past few years that I haven't been able to put back out. I wanted to be able to put those back out now. I thought this was a good time to do it. So a lot of really, really like top-tier interviews that I had in the past and haven't really been heard in the past two or three years. I'm putting those back out so we can reconsider the evidence and the stories that were told in those interviews. So keep an eye out for those greatest hits episodes, as well as one or two original content, if you will. episodes where I, you know, dug into the subject and did the investigations and, you know, presented the details like old school UAP, if you will.

So a nice mix here of greatest hits of episodes coming out to finish off the year to take us into Christmas and to take us into the new year. So thank you all again for joining not only today, but throughout the history of UAP. And I can't wait to come back again in 2026 to do it all over and see what it has in store for us. Until then, continue to download it. subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts on Apple and Spotify, Amazon, all those streaming platforms, and follow along on social media, UA Podcast 850 on Twitter and TikTok, UA Podcast 850, and UA Podcasts on YouTube.

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