UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 179 Featuring Chris Ramsey - Did and Alien Interview Video Really Leak from the Government?

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

Chris Ramsey, host of the popular YouTube podcast Area 52, joins Stephen Diener for his first new episode of 2026! Listen as they discuss a variety of topics, including new developments surrounding the Nazca mummies, rarely heard allegations about the governments use of supposed telepathic monks, and the consideration of new details regarding the validity of the legendary "Alien Interview" video. All of this and much more right now to start off the new year...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Episode number 179. Wow, we made it. 2026. Thanks for sticking around. Hopefully you enjoyed your holiday season. Sorry to take such a long break there, but also hopefully you enjoyed some of the greatest hits episodes. that were out in the meantime.

Definitely wanted to get those out there during the holiday season, so I hope you liked those. But I think you're going to like this one here today as we start off the new year, another year of UAP here, with a special guest, Chris Ramsey, from the very popular YouTube podcast, Area 52.

Chris is great. Obviously, I think the majority of us know him. If you don't know Chris, then you really should get to know him and hopefully you learn something about him here today on the show because in my opinion, he's one of the best out there right now, along with a couple of others, and maybe me, if I can have a moment of non-humility. I like to think I'm pretty good.

I don't know. Hopefully you think so. But I would say it's great to have him on here because he really truly is someone who does a great job in this year. And he's one of the really good guys. I've gotten to know him a little bit. Met him in person, contact in the desert. Really, you know, down to earth, super chill, just understores. stands that we're all kind of in the same boat here trying to figure out and understand the

UAP phenomenon. So got to reach out to him over the holiday break and we're able to set this up for the first episode of 2026 with myself and Chris Ramsey. So what should you expect to hear? Well, coming up here with myself and Chris, you're going to hear us talk about to start off his interview recently with John Stewart. If you don't know, John, John's actually been on the show here and I was thinking about bringing him back on again in the future. So I might reach out to him again. But if you don't know,

John is someone who has researched and done a lot of work on what's called the Alien Interview. And we hit this pretty hard to start off the show here. So I just want to give you a little background on the Alien Interview video if you don't know about this. Just real quick, just so you can kind of have context of what we're talking about. So you're not totally lost. The Alien Interview is a supposed video from about 30-ish years ago. a secret video that was taken by the government of an interview with an alien. Big bulb his head, big black eyes. It's not really talking.

It's just kind of moving its mouth and bobbling his head around. Looks to start to cough at one point like he's struggling. You know, supposedly being asked questions by someone within the military or the government or a government agency. And this video is just very strange. It's always looked very odd. The whole surrounding is dark. And all you really see in the video is this big. bulbous head of this alleged alien.

So there's been a lot of speculation over the decades on whether or not this thing is real. A lot of people say it's an obvious fake. It's a puppet. It's a ruse. It's a hoax. Some people say, like John Stewart, who was on recently with Chris Ramsey, and we talk about that to start off, he's the biggest proponent for this video. He says it's very obviously real once you start to look into all of the details that's

surrounded. So we go into what Chris learned in his recent interview with John Stewart. and we kind of consider some of the new details that I hadn't heard before. Even when I spoke to John myself about a year and a half ago or so, there were things that I didn't know. And maybe that even John hadn't found out then that he presented to Chris in his new interviews. So it's one of those things that if you know about this topic, the alien interview, it's one of those easy things that just kind of like, you know, pick it up and throw it away and say, nah, this is obviously fake. Why are you wasting time on this? Or, but, you know, and you hear me say this, it's always good to keep.

keep an open mind because that's when we can start to maybe learn a couple new things that lead us down a couple new paths and we ask some questions and it becomes pretty intriguing. So we kind of leave it open to the possibility that something might be going on with this video. So don't, I guess, throw it out too quickly. So we get into that and I think you're going to find that interesting with some of the new things that we learn there, including telepathic monks that I never heard of before. And I'm telling you, I think I might write like a different series just based off of this idea. of these telepathic monks. It's super, super fascinating. And I've learned something totally new here with Chris today that I think you probably

will learn as well, unless you know about this. Thank you. Kudos to you. But that was a very enjoyable portion of the interview for me. And I think you'll find it interesting. So we're going to talk about all of that. And we also mentioned something called Skinny Bob. Skinny Bob is an older, supposed video interview from the 50s.

Again, same type of thing, you know, bulbous head-looking alien. But this one is, you can actually see his body as opposed to the other video where it's just a head. This one shows a skinny body with a big head. Where he got the name Bob, I don't know. That I cannot tell you. I really don't know. Maybe you do, and you can let me know. But it's called the Skinny Bob video.

And so we were kind of played, you know, compare and contrast between that video from the 50s and this one from the 90s and try to figure out, are there any similarities here? Could they be related? So we go into all that to start. And then we talk a little bit about the NASCAR mummies, Angela Ford, who if you don't know, is a world-renowned medium, psychic, remote viewer. And she was on the show with Chris Ramsey. And we talk about some of the really, really interesting things that he learned from her, especially the viral clip that she had on the Sean Ryan show a year or two ago, where he asked her about the crucifixion of Jesus if she had remote viewed that. And she really got super uncomfortable with that question and clammed. up and it was like if you've probably seen the clip before it went everywhere because people

were like whoa did she see something that she's not willing to say and chris spoke to her about that so we talk about that and a few other things that i think you are going to find very thought provoking so it's all right here right now in this first new episode of 2026 of uap so happy to be back and so happy to have you back here on the show and now myself and chris ramsie right now on UAP enjoy. Well, this should be a lot of fun. Happy to start off 2026 with the great Chris Ramsey from the Area 52 podcast. Chris, so happy to have you back on the show here.

Really appreciate you making the time. And again, no pressure, kind of being on the season premiere here of UAP for the first new episode of 2026. Thanks for coming back on. Well, it's quite an honor to be your first guest. I didn't know this was the inaugural 2026 show. So I'll be on my best behavior. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I waited. I had a couple of like, you know, some greatest hits episodes, which came out in January, but this is the first new episode of 2026. So I guess if you want to get technical. Well, I'm honored. Thanks for having me. Absolutely, man. I appreciate you making the time. And there's a lot that I'd love to get to you with here today.

So we'll try to fit it all in. I want to ask you about, first off, some of the guests that you've had on recently, because I find it super interesting for two reasons. A few of the guests that you've had on, starting with John Stewart. And I want to bring him up because I admire that you are not afraid to kind of make waves. What I mean by that is I know that John is controversial. I know that his style is, you know, it's not for everybody. He kind of rubs people the wrong way sometimes. And some people don't like what he's doing with the videos that he promotes about the alien interview.

They think it's a hoax. They think he's a huckster or whatever it might be. But I appreciate that you stuck your foot in the water and said, let's just talk about this and let people make up their own mind. So I know that one's got a lot of attention recently. There's been a lot of different talk back and forth. What was your takeaway from that with John Stewart? And then your takeaway from the reaction since then?

Yeah. You know, at first, I think I was a little bit like, I mean, I've seen the video obviously a long time ago, the alien, alleged alien interview video. And one of the more convincing videos, I think, out there. Now, still pretty low conviction on whether or not that's a real alien. Right. And that's where my head was going into it.

Now, there's not been like a successful debunk of it. And I think it sparked enough people's interest over. over the years. Like for a lot of people, the one comment I get is like this feels eerie. This feels real. There's something weird about this video that that is unsettling. And so for that reason, I thought I'd love to take a deep dive into this video. Now, I was going to dive into the video by myself. And I just, I just thought it might be better to have somebody who knows a lot more about this video come speak about it, regardless of, you know, how vocal they are. on X or Twitter. I just thought, you know, he'd done a lot of legwork more than I think most people have on this specific video. So I thought it would be interesting to have him in. And as you know, like, I'm not, I don't take sides in all this. I just kind of let people talk and it, you know, we shelve it and we, we see what we can pull from it. And, you know, quite a lot of information. Now, obviously, John Stewart, you know, he's an ex-car salesman, pro wrestler, Paul.

politicians. So all of these vocations lead one to, you know, expect some boisterous character. And that's exactly what he is. Yeah. You know, he's a bit of a loudmouth online. And he gets into, you know, scruffs with people over silly comments. And he'll share AI stuff and be like, is this real? Yeah, obviously there's all that, you know, slop that he's sharing. I think he knows it. I'm not, you know, I don't pull back when it comes to that stuff. I do see it. I think everybody sees it. But all that aside, and I'm able to put that aside for a minute because John actually did some legwork. He, you know, for anyone who's watched that podcast, he was given a list by some shady character he refers to as the chairman, which was done via email. And, you know, he on the podcast, he even says

he's got like handlers in the intelligence community. He speaks to people from apparently, allegedly from DARPA, X CIA, X, you know, counter intel people. And it's obviously, you know, take all of that with a grain of salt. But sure he was sent a list and he did his due diligence. He went down the list one by one knocking on doors, calling people up. Colin, you know, even looking at like there was this monitor in the video and he did, you know, his research on where that monitor might have been fabricated. So he went far beyond anyone else.

in terms of research when it comes to that video, as far as my knowledge goes. And what I took away from that interview, I think, was I didn't leave feeling more convinced that the video featured a real being. I think I'm still pretty low conviction, maybe 30%, maybe somewhere lower than that, that it is a real being. I think part of me reserves a little bit there to maybe. But what I did take away was the feeling that through some of the legwork that he'd done, that video was potentially, I'm pretty high conviction, that it was filmed by the government. And I thought that was interesting. And most people overlook that when they see the video, they think, oh, this is fake, clearly a puppet or whatever.

I think at the very least, if it is a puppet, there's been many people who've reached out to me since, who've worked in sort of prop and costume design, makeup effects in Hollywood. And they've all said unanimously, like a prop like that back then would have cost upwards of about $80,000 to $100,000. Wow. Which is a lot of money for a hoax. Yeah. Right? A hoax or even like some type of get rich quick scheme.

Like it doesn't seem, seems like, you know, a little, a little strange. Not rolling that out. I just, I just feel like it's not sort of justified. I feel like you would do something a little less expensive if you were trying to do it for money. Or if you were trying to hoax people without any monetary return. And that coupled with the idea that there were experts that have looked at this film and said that it was indeed filmed with 16mm. I don't know how they would have done that, but apparently it's filmed with 16 millimeter, which was something the government was pretty much the only ones doing that in the 90s.

You know, obviously the digital age started happening and there was, you know, people using video cameras far cheaper, far easier to use, but the military was still using apparently 60 millimeter. So I thought that was an interesting point as well. Not to mention. I mean, just the, I mean, there's a lot of little details in that video as well that kind of stick out to me. But yeah, all in all, I think at the very least, if it was a puppet, it might have been shot from some faction of the government. And that leads us to like kind of two hypotheses, why that would be one, some type of soft disclosure, some type of like, let's see how, you know, everyone reacts to this. and they still reserve the right to be like, no, it's fake. If anybody gets a little too panicked by it, right?

Because they can prove it with something in the video. It would be like, oh, or the leak, you know, a set photo or something. Yeah. And two, you know, a lot of times they recreate things that actually happened and go to great lengths to recreate them on film for maybe training purposes, for passage material, for all sorts of different interesting things. I wouldn't put it past them to have created this.

I just find it surprising that since it's been filmed, no one has come forward, no prop builder, no makeup artist, nobody in the room, like not one person in 30 years has come forward to say, I was a part of this,

and it seems like it's more than one person that might have been involved in the creation of this video. So that just, That just struck me as odd as well. And as for the second part of the question where how my reaction to, you know, people's reaction to this, I think people are absolutely entitled to react however they like. I think, you know, for like I said, I think take what you deem valuable or even I think all of that information is valuable, whether it's lies or whether it's siop or whether it's mistruths or what have you.

I think it's valuable. I don't think you should hang your hat on any of it, but I think comparing it to other anecdotal information that's out there, you know, just kind of like shelving it in case something else comes up and we can make some type of connection or correlation to the information that was gathered. I think it's rather important. I think that's what we should be practicing as researchers.

Yeah. So yeah, that's kind of my reaction to that. Yeah. And again, I appreciate that because, it was something that I ran into as well. I spoke to John here on UAP like a year and a half ago maybe, and he's had more details since then that he presented with you recently. And so I appreciate it just kind of coming from that angle of like,

you know what, let's just talk about this because, yeah, you may not believe it, and that's totally fine. Or maybe you do believe it and you think it's the greatest discovery of the alien topic that needs to be spoken about. One way or another, let's at least discuss it. So, and that's something that I actually didn't know when it comes to the government side of things. Those were interesting details. I didn't know that the 16mm detail that, you know, they were filming on that then, you know, again, mid-90s, so things were just kind of coming along and as far as digital was concerned.

And that this was something that points back to the, at least the government filming it. So that's really interesting detail. It's like, well, if we can say that, of course, not with 100% certainty, but even with 70 or 80% certainty, that there's a lot of details that point to this was a government operation, then what was sitting there? Was it a puppet of an alien in this dark room where his big bulb of his head and his head's moving all around and everything's dark all around him? Was it a recreation for some type of training that, you know, took place 30 years earlier, possibly, like you said? So really interesting stuff. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, I think it deserves more scrutiny and it deserves more eyes.

And I'm happy that a lot of people got to see it. So maybe people can start doing their own legwork. You know, there was also this talk of this Carthusian monk that was involved, or multiple monks were involved somehow in the remote viewing process or sort of they were hired by remote viewers to work for counter intel. I have since spoken to Brian Pemble, who actually did a lot of the research into the monastery, and he was happy for me to share any of that information, so this might be good to bring up here. Yeah, let's do it. This is a bit of a follow-up.

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starts here. He goes... I've never heard this angle. This is wild. Yeah, so with the monks, so according to John, there was two monks on the list that he was given, Carthusian monk one and two, when he looked into,

it, there's only one Carthusian monastery in North America, and that is in Mount Equinox, Vermont, I believe. And it looks like this modern brutalist castle. It was built in the 60s. And it basically, the monks that live there live in complete solitude. They are, well, not solitude. They live in complete sort of solitude from the outside world. They're not allowed to. to have any, you know, phones, facts, videos, or anything of that nature. And their entire existence is contemplative. They have to contemplate, like the Word of God. They are not obliged by any means to do any ritual activities.

They are not obliged to answer a call from, you know, say the church that says, hey, we need all hands on deck for this world crisis. They have to ignore all that and just basically contemplate God all day. So they're in deep thought and meditation and prayer their entire lives, right? And then they take this vow of silence, save perhaps a few what's called ejaculatory prayers. Weird way to put it. But basically they can say, you know, God bless or amen or these type of things. But other than that, complete silence.

That is a technical term, by the way. Yeah, the ejaculatory prayers. I know I was kind of taken aback. I was like, why are they praying for that? I mean, I would also throw up a few ejaculatory prayers if I lived in solitude. There's that. Yeah, it's a different story. So, yeah, I was doing a lot of research after the podcast looking into this.

You know, they've been established for like a thousand years. So this started in France and really interesting sort of sect or, you know, offshoot of like Catholic church. And so allegedly six monks were sort of sequestered by the NSA or DIA at the time, found by remote viewers to, and according to John, according to this, you know, the interview that one of his researchers had with one of these monks, that two of them had the gift, right? And they were then flown out to S4 to be the telepaths, essentially, the thought transmitters for the alien in that room. And yeah, had to work with the government. So this person, apparently, this monk, I have his name, by the way. I have since found his name. He's like in his 90s now.

The other one didn't survive, but he's passed. but this one is apparently still alive and in good health. He was, let me, it's the charter house of transfiguration, and then let me go down this list. So shout up to Brian Pemble, who put a lot of legwork into this. That's awesome. He said two brothers that came from England,

and they were used for counterintel. One of the brothers has since passed, and the other one's still alive. MI6 apparently warned the U.S. US government when they were coming over that these brothers had special abilities. This is news to me. The U.S. government is routinely used monks for this type of work being called thought project acquisition.

The military currently uses this now in interrogation efforts, apparently. Never heard of this. Ryan Pemble. Yeah, very strange, very wild. He's tried, call. calling, faxing, emailing to no avail. I looked into it. You can't.

They don't answer. They don't answer the door. You can't just show up. Don't go knocking. I've written a letter to them. You know, and you have to be very careful when writing because, like, you burn your bridge.

You're done. So I've kind of like, you know, pardon the intrusion on your vow of silence. And you have to be extremely neutral. No word of like aliens or military. It has to be like a historical inquiry. And like,

And so I've written a letter. Hopefully I can answer back. I'll keep everyone posted, but not holding my breath. Yeah, and there's like some confirmation from someone else that this person is indeed still alive. It's incredible. That they're there somewhere, yeah, this person who essentially spoke to an alien that's just living in a mountain somewhere. I mean, just incredible stuff, man. I mean, again, you know, these new details that come out that I had never heard before.

And this is why it's, I think it's important to have conversations, right? Even if the video itself, even if it's not an ET in the video, we learn some of these new details about some things that may be going to other investigations or other, you know, interrogations where the military or the government might be using monks with psychic powers. This sounds like a TV show that can be made. What was writing that letter like for you? I mean, what was that? How did you learn the process of writing this letter to make sure that you worded everything correctly? I used the help of chat ChbT. Okay.

I was like prompting it for a very long time going back and forth with like chat chbTV and like, listen, I don't want to make any mistakes. And obviously chat chabit is like, you can't mess with these guys. Don't say this. Don't say that. So it guided me in how I can pen this letter because otherwise I don't think I would have been able to, honestly. I've also since rechecked. out to Joe McManagal to ask him if, you know, he recalls any of this and which he does. He recalls something.

He's going to get back to me. He says it does ring a bell because I asked him, have you ever, were you ever tasked to remote view a monastery in northern Vermont? And he goes, that does ring a bell. But he says, I think it was for a private corporation. If I'm not mistaken, he's like, so let me get back to you. I have to like, if I find it, clear it with the corporation that hired me for that before I give you any more information.

So that's where I'm at with as far as. So I've followed up. I've tried to look into some of these things, which I do with most interviews. And oftentimes it's just kind of you hit a wall or you don't really get much back. But yeah, we're trying. Well, I mean, though, that's great follow-up. And I'm glad that we could kind of break it here on the show, let people know what was going on with that. That's, you know, it's amazing stuff, man.

And the fact that, you know, Joe McMonagel, of course, mass remote viewer, you know, number one in U.S. military intelligence, essentially. Did he ever, to your knowledge, look into this video? Was, you know, if he has ever asked to do it or did it on his free time? Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge, yeah. And, you know, that's the other thing is, like, Joe, as many remote viewers go, I don't think unverifiable targets are very difficult to, to, to, I don't know, to take seriously. it's always fun because it becomes I think even more anecdotal when it's the remote viewing because it's just like okay

we don't know this could be inaccurate because not every remote viewing is accurate I know that I think the Farsight Institute did some interesting remote viewings on this so there's been some other remote viewing sessions about this about the Skinny Bob video

all of them are in high confidence that they're real beings but again I'm like it favors everyone remote viewing it that this is a real alien let's put it that way right is it possible and I just I just thought of this now because of the connection that you made that maybe this was a government video that you know there's kind of good confidence that this could have been actually shot by the government but to what means if it was a puppet if it wasn't a real ET maybe it was a recreation or something could this have been a recreation of the

skinny Bob video do you think there's a possibility to that or I mean, as far as time, I don't know. I don't know. There's, uh, it seems like a different type. Um, my conviction level for Skinny Bob dropped after a while. I actually had somebody send me a fake leak. Um, which I put it out like on my Patreon. I didn't want to put it on the main channel and make it, uh, sensationalize something that wasn't real.

Um, but it was, it, you know, it was like this mysterious email. I was there. Here's some more footage. And man, it looked good. it looked so good. And then at one point I was like, this looks way too much like the Skinny Bob stuff. And then I hit him back and I was like, listen, man.

Like there's these few things like these, it follows the same beats as a Skinny Bob video. And then he got back to me and he was like, yeah, you got me. Oh. He's like, I've been, you know, I've been doing VFX for a very long time and I did this in a day. Wow. And he's like,

I used what was out there already on the internet in terms of like, you know, objects and that type of thing. and because of the craft looked like Bob Lazar's craft and like so I guess that 3D render is already out there so you used all that stuff and put it in blender and whatnot and it looked amazing it looked really really good and yeah after seeing that and seeing what somebody with that much experience can do in a day you know I my conviction level for the skinny Bob video dropped now that's not to say that that crash or that meeting never happened. I'm still pretty high conviction that there was something going on there in the 50s,

but that video specifically, I'm not too high conviction on that being real. It's really interesting. One more on this. I know you have experience with remote viewing yourself, so I'd be remiss if I didn't ask, have you tried remote viewing the monastery? Have you tried to kind of like tune in there? I have not, but I do meditate, daily and I've been sort of setting an intention for this monk to respond.

And so if, I mean, he's got to be in deep contemplation all day. If anyone's in the astral plane, it's these guys. Yeah, right. And so if I have any shot at all in communicating with this person, I think I probably have a better shot, you know, doing so out of body. Right, right. You know, the other thing, too, that I thought was really interesting is that two things.

One, who better to trust with a secret like this than somebody who's taken a vow of silence? That's a good point. And two, if we think about sensory deprivation studies show that it does indeed heighten to some extent the sciability. you know there's been a lot of a lot of stuff with like sensory deprivation tanks with auditory deprivation even you know the Gansfeld effect these type of things they seem to slightly enhance the psychic nerve or whatever and you know if you if you want an example like the telepathy tapes or like you know these nonverbal children seem to have out of some basic survival instinct developed you know, some telepathy on on some level, apparently. And so if that's true, you know, it would make sense that these monks who don't communicate

verbally with anyone would have, you know, perhaps developed a heightened sense of sort of psychic ability. I don't know. But I thought that that was just an interesting thing that, you know, if anybody would have something like this, it would be, people that are in constant meditation who do not speak. Like, I mean, that to me makes a lot of sense. Yeah, the telepathy could be some type of, you know, as what, you know, aside from it being learned, it could also be evolutionary in a way. Sure.

Where, you know, it's developed out of, like you said, out of necessity. Crazy stuff, man. I love it. That's great. Thanks for laying out there. I love that. One thing that's also come up recently, and I know that your buddy Jesse Michaels has been very much into this subject is the NASCAR mummies.

I wanted to get your take on this because there's been some different reporting now, really within the past 48 hours or so, that some say that these were actually mutilated human bodies. And others still say, well, there's all this evidence that points to this being actual extraterrestrials, these NASCAR mummies. Where do you stand on this, I suppose? And what do you kind of make of both arguments? Yeah, I've, I mean, prior to Jesse doing like a deep dive on it, I might have been 20% in on it and being like, yeah, there's too much, too much corruption surrounding that stuff. And there's a lot of, there are a lot of hoaxes coming out of that part of the world.

Like if your Instagram feed is like mine, you start watching the NASCAR stuff, you start getting all this boogosphere related stuff that, you know, these symbols are now people, archaeologists digging up things every day with the same symbols on them. And it seems like a perpetuated hoax when it comes to, you know, that type of stuff. Like it does, the hoaxing does exist, right? And the mutilated body argument also does exist. like that has been proven that there has been tampering right for whatever purpose or reason so based on that my conviction was pretty low now jesse goes there he has you know with amar he has this amazing experience gets to see the m type the jate all these different types gets to see the scans gets to talk to experts and comes back you know feeling pretty high conviction that what he

saw was alive at some point and probably not a mutilation, right? And so after that documentary drops, after speaking with Jesse, my conviction did like elevate to maybe 30 or 35 percent, which was higher than previously, but I still reserve a lot of skepticism for that stuff. But I'm open to be, you know, proven right or wrong in any direction. I'm not, I have no dog in the fight and no bias. Um, I don't. I don't. do acknowledge that there are, there is some type of subterfuge and trickery happening in that part of the world concerning that topic. And I am also really trusting of Jesse's knowledge and his expertise when it comes to talking to a lot of experts about this who claim that there

is no way that this could have been hoaxed. And so there seems to be experts on both sides, arguing for, you know, both cases. I'm not smart enough to make any argument whatsoever in favor or against. I just have to go on personal feeling and my knowledge of trickery. And I do think that, you know, there are a lot of countries out there that, especially when you're financially deprived or going through some type of hardship, people tend to get really crafty on how to make a living. And that's just a reality of the matter, right, in any country, whether it was Russia,

whether it was in the Asia's or in, you know, South America or anywhere else in the world, I think people start to get crafty when it comes to survival, which is quite normal. And so if there's money to be made in an area like that, I wouldn't put it past people to at least attempt to make money. Now, it's just hard to separate the wheat from the chaff in this case. I don't have enough information. I'm not smart enough to separate hoax from reality. So I can only go based on what I know and what I know isn't enough. I'm never going to say I believe or I don't believe.

Yeah, right. That's one thing you'll never get. out of me. I try to correct myself when I, when I go down that path, I don't think it's healthy. I think people who say, I believe, I don't believe you're automatically creating a filter for which the information gets skewed through. And I just don't think it's healthy for any researcher to be in a camp. And so I, yeah, I have, I have faith that we're going to find out whether or not, you know, those things are real in terms of like, were they alive? Were they human? Were they something else? Were they concocted? Were the alien? I think we'll get some

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Enjoy every moment of your trip, even before you land. Hawaii starts here. But for now, I'm still kind of in a suspended state of, yeah, I'm open to seeing what comes of it. I do acknowledge what you're saying. I haven't seen it, but I saw this trailer for somebody claiming that, oh, there's like this graveyard of bones where they were, you know, taking things from and recreating these things. And like I said, I think that, I think we're aware that that happens. Right. Now it's, now we have to look at, is that the case with this particular scanned mummy? Yeah. I'm just, I'm just not an anthropologist. I'm not a biologist. I don't know anything

about that stuff. So I'll leave it up to the experts. Yeah, and that's fair. Is where percentage for Jesse, where is he on that? Has he given you an indication of that? Because he seems more convinced. I'd love him speak for himself, but I think he's pretty high conviction. I think he does, like me, reserve skepticism. I think he's a little less skeptic.

I think seeing it in person, you know, might have in some way influenced how he felt about because that feeling when you're in the room with these things apparently is very different. And I don't know if that is brought on by some psychological phenomenon or from the fact that there is like some validity to, you know, the claims that the experts have made. I don't know. He's just spoken to a lot more people about this than I have. Yeah, sure. And his conviction seems to be higher. So that does raise my curiosity.

Yeah, it's interesting. Eric Burleson joined me on here some months ago. And you probably remember the picture where he went down there. Yeah, and he was like. Yeah, exactly. His eyes are bugging out, looking at this. And I asked him about the picture. I said, look, you seem pretty intrigued by this.

And he's standing there with Dr. Greer and a few others. And he said, you know, he's kind of like you. Kind of where he's in the middle, it was intriguing. Not sure what to make of it, but it got his attention. And he said he did feel like it was worth the trip to, to check it out. Now, Dr. Greer feels totally different about this stuff. Yeah, that's true.

He was immediately like, this is real. These are all real. That's a whole different story. A name that is synonymous with that, too. And this is more of a hypothetical. I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus or anything, but kind of going with, earlier, we're talking about kind of controversial figures.

Jaime Malson is someone who is kind of controversial in this field. He's been accused of different hoaxes or perpetuating hoaxes and he's obviously very big in with the NASCAR mummy conversation. Do you think that's one of the reasons why people have a hard time believing it or is it just because we're looking at this and we can't believe that these are actually alien bodies? Could be. Could be definitely. I think Jaime Misan, you know, he's literally everything that's come across, you know, the South American escape, I think, has gone through him. But, yeah, it could be people's, you know.

Just that perception? Yeah, it could have influenced people's perception, for sure. I've never met Jaime Mason. I know that, you know, he's done a lot of good work as well and put a lot of, put UFOs on the map in South America. Like, he's a pretty renowned figure. As far as, you know, like I said, I don't know him. I know Jesse had a really good time speaking to him and told me, you know,

is a person who is a really kind person, and I don't think, according to Jesse, I don't think capable of actively lying. I think, but from my perception might be slightly, you know, biased towards it being real, but also open to having people come and disprove that. That's my sense of it. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know anything further than that. I haven't met the guy, but yeah. I want to ask you about Angela Ford. And I know when we spoke about, I think it was maybe about four or five months ago, when I had you on here the first time, I think you could tell I'm pretty interested in the remote viewing capabilities

and the, you know, how that's done, how people do it, how you and others have done it. It's just extremely fascinating to me. And Angela Ford is somebody who is synonymous with that as well. She was on Sean Ryan, I think, a year or two ago, and she had that kind of viral clip where he asked her about remote viewing the crucifixion of Jesus, and she just froze up. And you can tell she was very disturbed by that. You had her on. And so kudos for that, because it was awesome. What did you make of Angela Ford?

And did you guys get to talk about that on or off the camera? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we talked about it on camera. I asked her about it. I wouldn't be a good interview if I didn't at least ask about this. And she kind of laughed and chuckled and said, oh, that. And she got to brush it off.

She was like, oh, it was nothing. She said, and, you know, a lot of people were really skeptical of her answer. But she said essentially that she was uncomfortable with the question. And I think, and this is like, this wasn't discussed on the podcast, but I think the feeling that I got was she knows that his audience is incredibly religious. inclined. And she didn't want to say anything that would throw his audience off. She felt like she was being put on the spot. Interesting. And, you know, I can understand with a really wide reach that Sean Ryan has, putting someone on the spot who isn't necessarily, you know, a believer of Jesus or faith or anything like that, to say, what about the crucifixion? Did you, you know, remove you the

crucifixion and and you know what if I and this is me speculating but what if she did and she's like oh it didn't happen or like you know what I mean like saying that to she would have been even more um she would have gone viral even more for for another reason yeah and people would have really come down on her I think and they already did come down on her they were calling her demonic and all of these things like remote viewing is demonic and I read the comments it was quite like a shocking thing to to read. And for her, she's such a kind, lovely person. She's really, really lovely.

Yeah, seems like it. Oh, she's just a joy now. You know, so I, again, and this is an unverifiable target. Once again, she's not accurate 100% of the times. No remote viewer is. And so I think she was just uncomfortable. That's my breed. It was her answer on the podcast.

It wasn't convincing to a lot of people. And I get why. because she didn't go into the reasons for the discomfort. She was trying to play it, I think, safe and not tell the audience it was about religion. She was just kind of like, she said his audience is mainstream as the way she put it. So I think she's just trying to be sort of apolitical and a religious when it comes to this stuff. And the question, you know, put her in a weird spot. And, you know, she maybe she felt that Sean Ryan wasn't the person she wanted to have this conversation with.

Yeah, that's interesting. did she and I might be you know not remembering something here which is very very possible these days but did she remote view did she attempt to remote view it did she ever confirm that she said no but I I feel like the thing is she like there are people like Ed dames major Ed dames who was a tasker at Stargate who I've interviewed in the past and he would always have these wild random targets. So these targets were never given to her by her superiors in an official capacity. They were always sort of side quest by this guy looking for the Holy Grail and the Ark of the covenant and what's on the moon. So these and she gets into that a little bit and being like,

you know, she never put much stock into those targets. And she was front loaded when these targets. So you can't say to someone like, I even asked her, can you remote view Atlas, three eye or whatever, three eye Atlas? And she's like, I did. And like, I did. And, like, like she gave me, but obviously she's front-loaded. So it's not a proper remote viewing. You're given the target. Gotcha. So I don't think she was ever given the target in an official capacity, and I don't

think she was ever given the target blind. Interesting. Okay. What did you learn from her, aside from, you know, that viral moment that that she went through and the explanation that she gave? What did you learn from that interview that people, you know, tuning in, right, casually to say, oh, Angela Ford, she was the one that had that moment. Let me see what she had to say.

What were some other surprising things that people learned that Angela Ford worked on or in her life that we hadn't heard before? Yeah, well, first of all, I think she was an absolute badass. I think, you know, in the time that she was, because she was hired in the intelligence community prior to, prior to Stargate, she was working for the FBI. she'd worked in several different capacities for the government and very important high-level security clearance stuff involving like geopolitics. So and back then she was a woman in the workforce in a male-dominated, you know, area. Yeah, right. And so even coming into Stargate, you know, there weren't very many women there.

And all of her superiors were like either generals or maybe. and a lot of bravado going on. And she had to navigate that at that time as a woman. And she did so, I think, with grace. And she did so holding her head up high, being actually very successful on a lot of the remote viewing tasks that she was given, which set her apart, which made her kind of like an A-lister,

what it came to like remote viewing. She let her work, you know, do the talking. And so it couldn't have been easy for her back then. and so my hat's off to her. I think that she's a class act when it comes to, you know, when it comes to just a person. I think that she deserves all the praise in the world for navigating that field as a woman back then I think wouldn't have been easy. Oh, right, for sure. And there was one part that intrigued me in your conversation with her where she spoke about,

you asked her a question pertaining to her personal experience with the, UFO phenomenon with the extraterrestrial phenomenon. And she actually did have experiences when she was younger, right? Like she had a siding or was it a close encounter? How did she describe that? Yeah, she had a siding and a close encounter. So she had this like giant, I think green sort of orb go over her head while she was playing outside.

And then at another point, she, according to her, like met this sort of gray being. And it kind of like had this little rod and was going around her. and last very long and it was like a playful energy. I don't know if any of that can be, you know, that's her testimony. That's her reality. And, you know, I just find it very interesting. You know, whether or not that was an interaction in the physical realm or in the non-physical doesn't make it real or not real in my book, I just kind of, yeah, I don't know where

to put that. I kind of shelf it. And I think if anybody's going to have some type of encounter, it would be somebody perhaps with, you know, an inclination towards having some type of psychic gift or something, right? That would make sense. There's something that I've noticed over the years, Chris, and just my own, you know, research and getting into the weeds on all this, on so many different stories. A common thread seems to be young age. And I wonder what you think about that.

I know it's a very general topic, but what do you just think about that, that common thread? with a lot of close encounter stories. Because just my own observation, it always, I shouldn't say always, it's too general, but there seems to be a really big common thread with close encounter stories happening from a young age. Like you don't normally, normally hear about somebody, hey, I'm 35 and I just now got abducted by aliens,

nothing like this ever happened to me. You normally hear it like, oh, I had my first encounter when I was four, when I was seven, when I was 10. Why do you think that is? Have you noticed that? Yeah, I think, well, I think in a lot of cases, it starts at a young age. Because I do think it's related, if to anything, to some type of ancestry, DNA, genetic thing. Right. I don't know. The experiments that are reported seem to revolve around genetic modification or implanting,

this type of stuff. And so if you were monitoring someone, yeah, you would have to not only monitor them from a young age, you'd probably also monitor the mother and then monitor her from a young age and so on and so forth. So I think if you're keeping tabs, that's just quite normal that in the first stages, you would want to see how that's working out

and then maybe be a little more hands off when the person becomes perhaps more aware of what's happening or grows a little bit more knowledgeable as they get older and perhaps might be a little more difficult to contain that environment and that, that, you know, experiment or what have you. And so you might want to back out a little bit, right? And just maybe, and then the other hypothesis might be that, yeah, perhaps there is something, you know, some type of,

connection that we have when we're younger that we don't have when we're older that's all just speculative. The only thing that comes to mind is that, you know, when you're born or you're a small child, you might be closer to the source, you know, from where you came, much like when you're on your deathbed on your way out. You know, these might be two ends of the spectrum that might be a little bit closer to the source or whatever. And so that might be the only end. And so, that might be the only, other speculation that I have on that? Yeah. No, it's just, again, very generalized, you know, topic, but it's just one of those things that has really kind of stuck in my head. Like, there's something there, but it's hard to figure out what it is, right? But, but you know there's something

there with it. Yeah. It seems to be like, it seems to be, you know, genetic, right? So it's probably, like, someone who's getting abducted has probably, probably, in my my opinion, an ancestral history of abductions going, I don't know how far back. Yes. But that seems to be the case with a lot of abductees or experiencers. They're like, oh, my brother or my sister too, my mom too, my dad, my grandfather, too. So it does seem to be like a lineage thing for some reason. And then perhaps just for nothing more than keeping track of the genetic modifications to make

sure that everything's moving according to plan. Yeah. And I think that's one of the things that is really. really intrigued me over the years and why I, you know, I still am so passionate about this topic. It's the questions. Like, and maybe it's just something in my head. That's how I'm wired. I don't know.

But it's just like that thing. You see it. There's something there. It's the age. It's the family thread. And it's undeniable. But we don't know why. And I think that's what really gets me.

What keeps me personally coming back to say what is going on here? Because it's right in front of our faces. Yeah. Why or who? Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly.

Before we're done, Chris, I'm just, I want to ask, I don't think I've ever asked you this. Have you had a personal experience? I don't think I've ever asked you that. Not other than like, you know, having some out-of-body experiences during meditation. Right. And a few sightings here and there, but nothing, no, nothing that's left me with vivid alien interaction or anything of the sort. No, not yet. Right.

Not yet. You know, but I look up a lot and I encourage everyone to look up. Just go outside before you get in your car in the morning, take a quick captain's cook at the sky and just scan around for 10 seconds. And it's in those instances. You know, I get a lot of phone calls. I have this 1-800 number. And I get a lot of phone calls.

That's right. A lot of people leave me messages. And I have a whole folder on, and it goes about 30 to 50 messages on this folder where everyone starts off by I was having a cigarette. Hmm. And, you know. There's a common thread. There you go.

It is a common thread, but the only common thread is that you're outside. Outside. You're probably looking up because you're alone and you're just being contemplative, maybe even in a relaxed state. Right. But you're looking up. You're outside. You're looking up.

You're not rushing through life. Yeah, exactly. So if it's a numbers game where if you have enough people look up, you're going to see something. And it seems like the people who are looking up or the people who are kind of forced to out of their habit, I think we should all make it a habit to just start looking up and we'll probably have an exponential amount of sightings. Like a question for your viewers in the comments.

Yeah. How many minutes a day, if at all, one, do you spend looking at the sky? It's great question. Yeah. I mean, it's something that I try to do. And it's funny you say that, like if I, you know, outside in the backyard with my dog, you know, let's go out before we go to bed. And I, that's a time where I try to, and also I get up pretty early. when it's still dark out to come into the studio.

So that's also those two times, I can tell you right off the bat, are when I try to take at least 10 seconds. Yeah. To look up and say, you know, anything up there. Am I going to see anything right now? Sure.

You know, but unfortunately, it's so true. We're so consumed with the day to day that we forget sometimes. Everything's right up there. Yeah. We just don't look up. I do, like, especially in the summer, not so much in the winter because it's hard to be outside in Canada.

But in the summer, I'll take a blanket, drive out somewhere, and just do some skywatching for, you know, no other reason than to like just relax and, you know, be sort of stimulated by all the movements in the sky, you know, all these celestial bodies, whether they're prosaic or not. It's fun to be out there. That's awesome. We should do that more. we all should try to make time to do something like that kind of reconnect you know there there is a reconnection that you feel when you when you make some time to do those things do you find that

interesting that it almost seems like for myself i've i've kind of come to this conclusion that i feel like i'm supposed to be an observer um someone who just looks from afar sees what's happening try to figure it out to ask the questions but not an experiencer do you think that is the case sometimes that some people just aren't chosen, so to speak, or meant to be, or, you know, an experiencer, but rather someone who knows it's what's happening or knows something's happening and just observe it and ask the questions about it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't, I try not to, I think when we get into that territory. Is it too general, do you think? Well, it just becomes, um, it becomes is, you know, is your path laid out for you, you know, it puts into question free will. It introduces some type of weird hierarchy.

I don't know. I'm open to all options. I think the truth of the matter is probably just either a lot simpler or a lot more complicated to comprehend. It's one of the two. I don't think it's anything that we speculate on a daily basis. I think that whatever is happening is either incredibly simple on some scale or incredibly complicated to the point that we could not even comprehend it. I wanted to, which, yeah, that's probably the case, which is why we keep trying to figure things out. I wanted to ask you this too before we were done.

You mentioned that hotline where people call in. You had a video recently of this triangle. I mean, this triangle Kraft was basically just hanging over this guy's head. Can you talk about that a little bit for anybody who didn't see it and what you kind of made of that since then? Yeah, so the video is basically a compilation

of interviews that I've done with people that I haven't released and phone calls about black triangles. And so it's a whole episode on people calling in about their black triangle sightings or friends of mine that I've interviewed. And it starts off with with this phone call that I received from a gentleman in Norway, who, you know, was outside with his friends. And then, yeah, there's just three lights over his head. And nothing more to

make of that video than, then just, it's just hovering there. It's kind of wild. Yeah, it's a wild video. I'm glad he sent it to me. And every now and then people end up sending me their sightings. And some of them are, you know, quite striking. And, you know, if I find a place for them. I'll feature them for sure. That's cool. So on our way out of here, Chris, and thank you for spending so much time here. I really enjoyed it. We got a little bit deeper than I thought we. We got a little philosophical there, but it's always fun to do. But again, I appreciate all the time here on this first new episode of UAP for 26. But it's something that we can look forward to in 26. And I think this is awesome. I'm super excited for you guys, for you and Jesse Michaels. You're going on

tour. So I wanted to ask you about that before we finished up here today. Tell us about this Chris Ramsey, Jesse Michaels, I guess, United, North American tour, actually, technically that's happening this year. Yeah, it's called, it's probably nothing. It's probably nothing, 2026 live tour. It's a great name. Yeah, if you, you know, it's Jesse and I who, you know, Jesse's going to be a really close friend of mine. And we talk a daily basis.

He's, you know, he's an amazing researcher and someone who I look up to do in many capacities. and I think we complement each other on a lot of different things. And then we're also of the same mindset that like a rising tide raises all ships when it comes to this. And it's the reason why I like doing podcasts like this. And I like speaking to other people in the, I think that we should all be helping each other out. Yeah. Because I think ego aside, I think this is, this is an amazing adventure that we're all on

collectively. And part of me wants to sort of me. meet all the people that are out there and have this experience with a live show and, and, you know, bring that to people's cities. I think that's just such a fun concept. And so I propose this to Jesse and we have a production company behind us that's going to basically roll this out with us. And right now, we only have two cities if you go to It's Probably Nothing.com. You'll see Montreal and Austin, Austin, February 5th in Montreal, February 20th.

lovely theaters that we have. The tickets are more than half sold out. If you want to grab them, I would suggest doing so prior to last minute because they will sell out. And yeah, we're rolling out 24 more cities. Nice. And so we'll be touring North America. And we got a lot of really interesting things planned for the shows. They are not simply just Jesse and I rambling on stage.

It'll be a big production. We're going to have some VIP experiences. experiences prior. We're going to have other special guests, openers. We're going to have Q&A sessions. There will be, there's also going to be some surprises. We're along the way in every city, we're actually going to have one local come up. And yeah, and so that'll be part of the show as well and share their story and get interrogated sort of by Jesse and I and sort of will have follow-up questions about their story. And so, yeah, we're really bringing it to people's cities and trying to meet people and talk to them and not just, you know, have this echo

chamber, but allow people to be part of the conversation too. And, and, yeah, just kind of spread the word about our efforts in terms of, you know, asking these questions. I love it, man. I think it's such a cool idea. It's a way for everybody kind of, you know, get together in this, this UFO community, this topic that we have, where we're all just, like you said, trying to work on it together and figure things out. I think it's such a cool idea and that's going to be a lot of fun for everybody. I'm in the West Palm area, so hopefully if you guys come down here, I would love to be a part of that. That's so cool. Definitely. We'll have you at the show for sure. I love it, man. That'll be awesome. It'd be a lot of fun. Before we go, where can everybody find you if they don't already have you

on YouTube or social media, how they can find all your stuff and follow along? Yeah, YouTube, Spotify, Instagram, Facebook, all that stuff. It's all right. Let me get focus here. YouTube, Instagram, Spotify. It's all just Area 52. Investigations are just Area 52. Yeah. And it's probably nothing.com for tickets to the live show. Awesome.

And check out some of his magic tricks, too. If you've never seen Chris do magic, I was a victim of your up-close magic at contact in the desert. That's, man, I don't know how you do that. Very, very, very well done. I enjoyed it. Oh, good. Chris Ramsey, awesome, man. Really enjoyed this.

I really appreciate you making the time to come on here to you AP and just chat it up. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Stephen. And I appreciate being the first guest. Always so much fun talking to you. You got really good questions and keep doing what you're doing. I really appreciate it. I think you're doing great.

That's awesome, man. Thank you. Thank you, man. Thank you, again, to Chris Ramsey for making the time to do that. I know it was an easy to schedule it out. So I do appreciate him making the time to come on here today. And, you know, I think giving a really fun and an interesting first episode of the year, So hopefully we can continue that trend as we move on through 2026.

And who knows what this year is going to bring us. But I will do my best to cover it all. Whatever happens throughout this entire year. It's been an interesting ride so far. Four and a half years going here on UAP, five years in July. So I look forward to a five-year anniversary, hopefully in the next six months. That would be great. But coming up here in the immediate future, looking forward to these interviews.

So you're going to hear from a man named Antonio Alvin. You may not have heard that name before because he's not a quote unquote big name, right? Like some of the other names that have on here on the show. But I want to start doing this more. And that's something that if you want to call it a New Year's resolution for UAP, then I guess we can do that. But it's something that I've wanted to do for a while. And that is, and it's not to say that I haven't done it.

It's done here and there. But I want to bring on more everyday experiences, just every day. people. And Antonio is one of those people. He's a lifelong experiencer, has written his story about what he's gone through in his life, close encounters, abductions, vivid memories of different beings surrounding him on a ship. I mean, it's really quite astounding to read through his testimonies, and I'm glad he reached out to me about this. So I'm going to bring him on to the show. And by all means, you know, it's what it's all about here. Always has been. I'm always going to try to keep it that way, listen to the stories, take it all into account, and see

what you think about it. And that's what we're going to do with Antonio. Antonio Alves coming up here on UAP on the next episode. So I look forward to hearing from him and having him tell you his story so we can all experience that and make up our own minds on it. And someone who I know lives by that philosophy, aside from me or aside from Chris Ramsey, someone else who does it is Patrick Armstrong from the Vetted podcast. He's all about that philosophy as well. about letting you make up your own mind. And I'm happy to bring him on. He's a friend of the show here.

He's a personal friend. I really get along well with him as well. I met him a couple of times, and he's been on here a bunch of times here on UAP. So I'm looking forward to bringing Patrick Armstrong from Vetted back here on UAP next week. So a couple of fun guests coming up here and we'll see what else pops up as far as different subjects and topics to cover here on UAP. But like I said, to have on more everyday experiencers is something that I want to continue to do. do here and try to do that on a more, I guess, consistent basis here on the Unidentified Alien podcast moving forward because I think that's important to get those voices out there, just everyday

people like you and I who claim to have these experiences, whether they're lifelong, whether they just started. I want to try to get those out there so we can all kind of hear that and consider these things together. And lastly, I'll just say this. Another New Year's resolution is for you to hear you. UAP investigates. It is going to come out this year, and it should be.

I've been speaking with, you know, some of the, I guess you can say, overlords behind the scenes about when we can put this out. And it looks like we're going to be able to put that out here within the next couple of months. Hopefully it's a lot sooner than that. I would love to do it before the end of January, quite frankly. But I'll keep you up to date on when this is going to come out. UAP investigates, if I could just say real quick, was a labor of law. love. It was the hardest thing I've ever done.

Show, whatever you want to say in my career. It was extremely difficult and challenging to put together, but I mean that in a good way. Not like, you know, oh my gosh, I'm lying on the floor crying and I can't wait to be done with this. It's not that. It was just, it was challenging and extremely difficult in a good way because there was so much that I was trying to figure out how do I get this all in there in a 10 episode span. and make it fit, make it as seamless as possible, make it all intertwined from episode one to episode 10. And I think I was able to do that. And you hear from a lot of different people, again, everyday experiencers as well as the bigger names like a Jeff Nusateli or Lou Elizando or Bob Salas.

They're all in this as well. So I can't wait for you to hear UAP investigates. I've been waiting very patiently for the world to hear this because, again, it was a labor of love and I'm really anxious to hear the reaction to it. And it was such a heavy topic to try to, you know, kind of compartmentalize and put together as well when it comes to AHA. That's what UAP investigates is all about. It's 10 episodes solely focused on examining the phenomenon of anomalous health incidences, AHA, and how they connect to both terrestrial and extraterrestrial events. And, you know, how, why are people getting sick? Why are the reports of

serious health issues, medically documented issues that you cannot refute what stemming from alleged contact with extraterrestrial craft or extraterrestrials themselves or even terrestrial means. And so the topic of anomalous health incidences, AHA, is something that I find really important. And it's something that I think needs to be talked about more. And it's something that I was very passionate about and why I chose to do season one of UAP investigates on that conversation.

So I'm really anxious, quite frankly, for you to hear it, for everyone to hear it, because I really can't wait to kind of see and hear everyone's reaction to it. And I hope it's a positive one because some of these things are pretty shocking, pretty jarring. But it's important stuff. So just I can't wait to get it out there for you. But in the meantime, I said this earlier and I'll say it again, make sure if you haven't done it yet, to subscribe to it now because the channel is open. So just search UAP Investigates.

wherever you get your podcast and you can subscribe to it now before it comes out so that way you'll get those episodes as soon as they do come out you'll be the first ones to hear them oh and i almost forgot i'm sorry i promised chris i was going to do this um before we go the tickets he mentioned it there if you want to go see them on tour chris ramsie and jesse michael's uh i think that's awesome i really do i wasn't just saying that to like trying to flatter anybody i think it's such a cool idea i wish it's something i i've actually thought about trying to do a uap tour i'm not going to lie. I had that idea a couple of years ago where I'm like, man, I wish I could do this. It's just extremely difficult to put together. So, you know, I haven't been able to do that,

but I admire them. And I'm a little bit envious, actually, but being completely honest, that they're able to put this together because I would love to do it myself. So I think it's so cool that they're going out on tour to connect with the audience. And if you want to go try to see them, he mentioned there, they're starting off in Austin on February 5th, going to Montreal on February 20th. Those tickets are on sale now. I went to the website myself to check it out. You can check it out at it's probably nothing.com. It's probably nothing.com. Tickets on sale now. And I look forward to them adding those other dates. He did mention those 24 other dates looking to add. And he said they are supposed to come down to South Florida. So if you're in the area, I'm going to try to go to

that show and keep that promise here just talking about it. Try to connect there. And hopefully I can help them be a part of that show or be in the audience, whatever it is. And maybe I'll see you at their show in South Florida when they come down here. I guess maybe sometime in the spring or the summer. We'll see when that date comes around. But if you want to check it out, Chris Ramsey, Jesse Michaels, it's probably nothing tour. Go to it's probably nothing.com for tickets.

So all that said, I really hope you enjoyed this. So much to consider there with the alien interview. Some of that new evidence presented. The telepathic monks, again, that one's really stuck with me. I never heard that before. that they may be government assets, that the government was using telepathic monks as assets. Just incredible stuff to think about. Like, that could be a new show, honestly, like stranger things.

That's what it reminded me of. So, you know, hearing about that, hearing about Angela Ford and her explanation for, you know, what she saw when she remote viewed, if she even did look towards the crucifixion of Jesus and all these different things that we covered here today, just so fascinating. and you know you hear my passion and my voice when I've talked to about all these things because I am passionate about it and I love asking the questions and trying to figure out the answers along with you and I look forward to doing that more as we continue here on UAPs so continue to stick around here for the show download it wherever you get your podcasts on all the big channels and all the big platforms just search out UAP and follow along on social media at UA podcast 850 on social media you can check it out on Twitter and TikTok and YouTube at UAP Podcast 850 there. And of course, send me messages there on social media or S-Diener-U-A-P at g-mel.com. S-D-I-E-N-R-U-A-P at g-Mel.com. If you have a message, you would like to send me. Good, bad, whatever it is your story, whatever you'd like. I'll try to get back to as soon as possible.

But that will do it for today. That's it. The first new episode of UAP is in the books for 2026. Can't wait to come back with so much more here in the coming days and this year. So stick around. Can't wait for it all. On that note, thank you again for everything, for all the support heading into the new year and everything that's happened in the past. So until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here. Say, be well. Thanks again. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.