UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 18: Other Roswell's

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

You've of course heard of the Roswell UFO crash, but these other UFO/UAP crash stories are just as fascinating if not more consequential than its original namesake from New Mexico. After all, the original Roswell doesn't have an alien gravesite as this one story does... Diener and Karen cover all that and more in this captivating episode of UAP. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You've heard it, right, Karen? I have. And, you know, I think people, their eyes glaze over when you talk about UFOs and Roswells. and all of that because they've heard it so many times, and it's like, yeah, little green men or whatever, little gray guys, then they thought it was a weather balloon. But give us a little background on what that is because we're talking about other ones. And one of them happened in Mexico, and it shares the same desert as where the Roswell incident went down.

That's right. Yeah, they called Mexico's Roswell. So we're going to hit that here in a little bit. But, of course, the original Roswell, when you hear Roswell, you know, you think about, you know, Area 51, and you think about movies and, TV shows and all wild stories. But it all goes back to July 1947, a couple years after

World War II ended. So, of course, you know, a lot of security is still heightened at that point. We're trying to develop new technology and things like that. And there was a crash in the desert of Roswell, New Mexico. And it was reported in the papers that the U.S. Air Force had recovered alien

technology. They had recovered a UFO. And then that was later retracted the next day. Oh, no, no. We can't say that. Exactly. The military got to and then say, no, say it was a weather balloon. And, well, the rest is history. Well, it was at the Roswell Army Airfield that issued a press release,

and it said that they had recovered a flying disc from a ranch near Roswell. And the Army then quickly retracted the statement and said it said, no, no, no. The crashed object was a conventional weather balloon. Of course it was. You silly goose. And so it didn't resurface to the late 1970s again

when euthologist got all over it. Yeah, and then you have, and we'll get into this, other time too. We had people like Bob Lazar who say that, you know, they worked in that area and they saw the aliens and all that good type of stuff. So, you know, we've all seen the videos and the pictures of the alien autopsies and whether or not those are real. But, you know, the thing about it is a lot of people already know a good amount, maybe not the fine details of the Roswell incident, but, you know, it's in the American lexicon. So what we wanted to do was, let's look at other

Roswells, so to speak. Other incidents like Roswell throughout the, you know, the, you know, United States and throughout the world that are just as famous, if not more famous, but they don't get as much coverage and notoriety. I just want you to differentiate between Area 51 and Roswell because actually the CIA for the first time acknowledged the existence of the base June 25th, 2013, following a FOIA, Freedom of Information request. And Area 51 is a highly classified United States Air Force facility. That's right. in Nevada about what was, but 80 miles or so north, northwest of Las Vegas, or 83 miles for the exact coordinates. And it's, yeah, it's a top secret military base. They developed a lot of technology there over the past 60, 70 years, things like, you know, the B2 bomber, you know, the spy planes, the, you know, U571.

The Lockheed U2 aircraft. Right. So, Roswell is not Area 51. No, so Area 51 is over in Nevada in the middle of nowhere in the desert. All that different type stuff. And then Roswell is in New Mexico. So it's all desert. Why do I get that mixed up?

Because they're always linked together. I think that's what it is. It's, you know, people think Roswell. They think of Area 51. But they're actually two separate places. It's two different states. So. Karen.

If we're going to, no, it's not just you. No, I thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, of course. But there's always been, you know, intense secrecy surrounding the base. So. Yeah, I mean, they develop all types of technology. there, but, you know, there's different reports of people who work at Area 51, you know, top secret military people that work for, say, skunk works out of Lockheed.

Didn't they take the wreckage and the aliens from Roswell to Area 51? They say, and also they talk about it being taken to Basin, Ohio. I forget the name off the top of my head. But it's always been moved around. And, you know, but there's reports of people who work at Area 51. They have to fly in on, you know, private jets, on the airstrip, and they're taken through all these back channels and tunnels and things like that. So it's, yeah, I'm sorry.

Did I say U571 earlier? That's a submarine movie. I met the SR-7-1 spy plane. There you go. Probably somebody's screaming at me saying, what is this moron talking about, U-5-7-1? Sorry, you figured it out. Matthew McConaughey was in that.

He was. He was, right? The SR-7-1, the spy plane. So, yeah, a lot of technology has been developed there. But two different things. And like we said, there's a lot of other stories that are just as intriguing, if not more intriguing that you're going to hear today about other Roswells.

Yes. Do you have any factoids, though? Oh, to start us off? Yes, I know you always like to have a factoid first. Oh, no. Let's just say that entire thing was one big factoid. How about that? Wait a minute.

There's got to be something that I can talk. Are you going to pull a factoid out of thin air right now? Is that what's happening? No, I think you should, you know what, instead of my factoid, you should go ahead and tease next week show because it's just such a, dozy that I am speechless. I'm not sure if the people are ready for that yet. I'm going to hold on to the tease.

It has to do with Obama on Mars. That's all I'm going to tell you. Just wait for that one later on, and especially next week on the other episode that's going to come up next time. But if you want to hear any other episodes that you might have missed before we get into the other Roswells here, you can always go to 850wfxl.com where the show lives.

And of course, right on there, anywhere you get your podcast on Apple, on Spotify or Podcast1.com where you can subscribe and listen to all the other episodes you might have missed and get ready for all future episodes like next week when we talk about Obama on Mars as a teenager. Oh my gosh. What is that? Get ready for that one. But to start off here, Karen, how about we go to Kexburg, Pennsylvania, where they had their own Roswell-type incidents? They did. It was, and it was shaped like an acorn. That's right. It was a giant alien squirrel dropped his nut. I guess so when chasing it. Yeah. It happened.

December 9th, which was my mom's birthday. 1965, Keksburg, Pennsylvania, a fireball reported by citizens of six U.S. states. And what was weird about it is that they were all from different places and they had the same story. Correct. And that's, see, that's the kind of stuff that always intrigues me. Just like when we talked about in the previous episodes about ancient aliens where you had, you know, the same type of descriptions of, you know, sky people from people in Egypt to the Incas. I mean, how does that happen? So when you have the same reports of people over Canada, too, they saw this in 1965.

And then you have people in Detroit. You have people in Pennsylvania. And they're talking about the same siting. And so you can't have, look, Twitter wasn't around in 1965, okay? So you couldn't exactly go right on and see what somebody was saying. You couldn't text your buddy in Detroit while you're in Kexperk, Pennsylvania. So you have people in different locations of the country and in other countries in Canada. who had no way of communicating with each other other than calling up your buddy on the telephone

and saying, hey, are you seeing this? And you all know what happens with the telephone game. Yeah, exactly. It changes, but this didn't change. They all have the same type of description. And well, but so in 2005, NASA released a statement saying that they examined some fragments found in the area and said they were from a Soviet satellite or I guess the Sputnik is their capsule.

But anyway, the records and their findings were lost in the 9th. 1990s. So, but here's some sound from people who actually saw this acorn fireball, which actually what astronomers said was a burning meteor bolide. Sure. Burning up in the atmosphere. Here we go. The wife and I seen the streak in the sky and heard it on the radio. The object fell down over this hillside to my right.

Well, this was the front page of the morning edition of the Tribune Review. We cannot eliminate the possibility that it could be extraterrestrial. So these people, most of them, don't even know each other. But what they don't know is so many of these people gave me those little details of what they experienced that night in 1965. And those little details confirm other people's accounts. We stood up here for hours, at least. I was here at least two or three hours standing right here.

But it was something that went out of control and come down in Cexper. Yeah, the wife and I seen it. That's right. That's how I start a story usually. So it's... The wife and I seen it. Yes, Karen, a little inside joke there. Karen always makes fun of me because when I talk about my wife, I start off the story, the wife and I.

He always uses the determiner. That's right. So we found that funny there. He said the same thing. But it was, look, this is intriguing because, again, you have multiple witnesses in multiple states. This was an interstate siding. And actually, an inter-country sighting with Canada involved too. International.

International. Inter-country. What am I thinking? That's cool. It's a neologism. I'm going with that. What's so interesting is they have a festival too. Yes.

We have a picture of it up at our blog on A50 WFTL and go to the UAP blog. That's right. But it's quite funny. They recreate this acorn-shaped thing and they have like alien costumes on. It's kind of cute. But it's their Roswell. It is. And actually it is commonly referred to as the Pennsylvania Roswell.

So this was a big thing. it happened, what, 18 years after the actual Roswell incident in New Mexico. And, you know, when you have multiple people, multiple sightings, interstate siding, international, not intercountry, international siding, talking about the same type of glowing acorn-shaped fireball that's coming down and you see it crashing. At a steep angle. And then what happens to the wreckage? Nobody knows.

So if it's a meteorite, okay, let's just go with NASA's explanation of some type of Soviet satellite or meteorite a bull light? Where is the wreckage? Nothing was ever found because basically what they say anyways, the story goes is that it was taken by the military and covered up. And then you have these stories about Soviet satellites and bull lights from space that quite frankly the people who witnessed it don't buy

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So it just is one of those things that makes you wonder, Karen, what did they see that night in 1965 on the Pennsylvania Roswell incident? So if there's nothing left, how do they know it was an acorn shape? Well, just because of the description they saw. As it was falling? Right, exactly. And they say. That sounds like a capsule, though.

It does. Yeah. And some people say. that they actually saw the military recovering this thing and driving away with it. Oh, there you go. So, look, again, we always tell you, we're not here to tell you what to believe.

We give you the story and you make up your mind. If you think it's BS, by all means, if you think there's something to it, well, we're glad we can entertain you and intrigue your little minds. I didn't know about it, so that's cool. It's pretty wild. So moving on to Mexico's Roswell,

the Chihuahua UFO crash. That's right. Woof, whoop, what. It's, this is the one that's the one that's, the same desert as the Roswell incident. It's actually along the Rio Grande, river near the Texas border town of Presidio. That's right.

Yeah, so this is, you know, it's funny because I kind of pride myself on being up on all these wild stories of UFOs, UAP, the history of this. I didn't even know all the fine details of this one. Really? I always heard about it. That's weird. I always heard about it.

Mexico's Roswell, but I never actually kind of dove deep into it until recently we were doing the research for this episode. And I don't know. I think this might be even more interesting than the original Roswell in New Mexico. It is because, so it was 10 o'clock at night, August 25th, 1974, as I said, along the Rio Grande River near the Texas border, this thunderous explosion in the sky. It shattered the stillness of the warm summer night. Oh, it's like a book. The unidentified flying disc was traveling 2,500 miles an hour.

I mean, you don't. Even when you're going mock three, you're not, no. I mean, and then they said it collided with a small airplane heading south from El Paso, Texas. And here's some sound about that. I was speaking to some of the local town people. The flight path of the UFO would have been from the south, which is Brownsville, Texas. Coming over, swinging over, going northeast over that mountain peak there. The impact site is on the other side of that mountain.

Well, we've discovered wreckage of a property. plane that's strewn about out here in the desert. It could be the plane that crashed with the UFO. I can't really know that until we analyze this and find something anomalous on it, maybe some kind of radioactivity or something that would give us a clue that maybe there was some contact with the UFO. So it's, and another thing about this, Karen, is that it was seen on radar because we always talk about, you know, to give more credibility. Evidence. Right. You have to have some type of evidence. It's just like a criminal case. What's the evidence? Exactly. You can, you know, You can have accusations, but what's the evidence?

It's all circumstantial. Right. No, it's not. In this case, you have, again, eyewitness sightings, but you also have, you know, not only eyewitness sightings to emit air collision, but eyewitness sightings from trained, you know, air traffic controllers who were seeing this thing on radar, making sudden movements, right angles, left angles, crazy, going at crazy speeds that really, in 1974, the only thing that was going at that speed were experimental rockets or, you know,

things like that that were getting ready to send into space. You'd go into the moon on an Apollo mission. So other than that, what else could be flying at that speed that is going into Mexican airspace? Nothing. I mean, it... Really. I mean, the flaming wreckage of both the aircraft basically fell into the Mexican desert. And then there were two governments.

Obviously, we were, and the Mexicans were trying to recover the technology that may have or may not have crashed there. Right. No, exactly. And so of course. But they're saying that they found the wreckage of the plane, I don't know. From 74? I'm not sure. You know, some of the stuff on some of these other shows that investigate these things,

some of them are kind of hokey. But, again, you know, you make up your own mind. They threw a propeller and some glass and some metal in the desert and go, look what we found. We found records. It's very possible. You never know. It's, you know, some of these TV shows. But that's not what we do here.

No. We give you the facts or at least the stories that are out there. And again, you know, you make up your own mind. We just want to let you know what's going on with it. And what I find so intriguing about this one, Karen, is people saw the explosion. Of course, it was reported. That's right. This was an FAA incident.

Right, because a plane did go down. Right. So, of course, the cover story that ends up coming out, even though the U.S. military is rushing to Mexico to go after this wreckage, the cover story that comes out is, well, it was a drug smuggling plane that crashed. Then why is the U.S. military hauling, you know what, to Mexico to try to recover something? Oh, a drug blink, got it. Well, I don't count that out, but what hit it? That's what we want to know. Right.

And why was it going so fast? How fast was a meteor go? Does it go 2,500 miles an hour? I mean, I guess it can. I'm not exactly sure, but what I do know is that meteors don't change angles like that. Suddenly right angles, left angles, all these different things and being picked up on radar like that. That's right. So you had something that was making those movements.

It was maneuvering. Yes, that on radar, we know as a fact, that it was something making those moving, something going that fast and something that crashed into this small plane in midair. It did happen. The question is, what was it? What made that happen? And that's always been the question for this Mexico's Roswell. And people have been trying to investigate it and figure this thing out for a long time since 1974.

Yeah. That's a while. And actually, I mean, this was such a big story, such a unsolved mystery, you know, something that people have talked about for a year, it was actually a book. And it was called Mexico's Roswell, the Chihuahua UFO crash. So it's, you know, again, doing the research you come across these things. It's on Amazon. I don't know the guys.

I mean, if you want to look into the book and buy it, go ahead. I don't care. It's not like this is an endorsement or anything. But it's just such an interesting story. It's compelling. It is compelling. You know, and again, with Roswell, it's always more sexy because it was the big first, you know, mass siting. It was in the newspapers, reports of alien bodies strewn across the desert.

That was back when the news. you know, reported the news. And now it's like, oh, it doesn't fit the narrative. We've got to change that. Yeah, you're not sure sometimes. But they reported it and then they retracted it. So that's interesting because someone went, wait a minute.

Right. No, no, no. And that timeline too, just to kind of go back to that real quick of 1947, the original Roswell incident, that goes back. If you listen to the previous episodes when we talked about the Majestic 12 a few episodes ago, being formed around the 1947 era. area-ish of the same time around Roswell because once that happened they realized well how do we get out in front of these things next time around yeah so we don't tip our hand

exactly and report exactly what happened and the majestic 12 some of their or most of their responsibility was come up with cover stories investigating secret and come up with cover stories and basically lie to people on what this is really happening what they think the public can't handle it I don't know if it's that they can't handle it and that's really been one of my questions for a long time, Karen, is why doesn't the government disclose more? Now, we know we started this podcast because of the government disclosure towards UFOs and the, you know, the congressional report that came out, basically stating that, yes, UFOs are real. We don't know what they are. They're not ours. We have 150 of them that we can definitely say are unidentified some kind of flying object

and therefore it lends validity to the fact that there could be alien life. Right. And you even had the director of NASA, Bill Nelson coming out recently, saying that, yeah, you know, we don't know what some of these things are and we have to have the discussion of if it's not an adversary, then is it alien life? And, you know, his comment was, who am I to say that aliens aren't real, that they don't exist? You know, there's an astronaut. He's no. Right. You know, and this is a comment from the director of NASA. Like you said, he was an astronaut, Bill Nelson, he was his senator too, I believe, right, for Florida. So it's, you know, it's, there's more more and more disclosures, more and more acknowledgement, at least, but there's never been that

full disclosure from the U.S. government. So the question is why? Is it because they don't trust the American people with the information? I think so. They think we're going to freak out. I think also another big reason personally, before we get to our final story here, which is before we get to this final story, let me just tell you, as a teaser, I think this is my favorite story. Aside from the Dulce base early on here in our podcasting journey, this is one of my favorite stories ever. That's about to come up. Well, I can't believe. you dug it up. Aha, I see what you did there.

You'll understand that pun. But I think one of the other reasons why the government doesn't fully disclose the truth about UFOs, aliens, you know, UAP's unidentified aerial phenomenon, not our abbreviation of unidentified alien podcast, is because they use this stuff for the military. They reverse engineer a lot of this technology that gives us Kevlar, that gives us laser technology, that gives us night vision goggles. and, you know, fiber optics. So military.

And Teflon frying pans. Yes. Look at that. Practically used for alien technology as well. And, of course, you know, use for spy planes and things like that to disappear off of radar. Right. So there's so many uses for alien technology that we've reverse engineered that we

know about it civilians. I can't imagine what's kept under wraps at Area 51. Yeah, I think they keep spoon feeding us with stuff. They're like, these humans are so dumb. I think that's really what it is. They need to speed it up here. Yeah. No, right.

They are like, we're like the Flintstones to the aliens. Yeah, oh, absolutely. So I think that's what it is mainly, is they don't want to let on to all the things that they've been able to reverse engineer because of national security, so to speak. They don't want to have China or Russia come on and be like, oh, let us get that too. We didn't know you had that. So if there's full disclosure, then that means other countries are going to find out and say. I shouldn't we be sharing this with all humans? I mean.

Well, if we go back to our Valiant Thor episode. Yeah. He said so. Exactly, and that didn't go too well. So, again, if you want to hear any of the other episodes we've ever done, 850wFTL.com or anywhere you get your podcasts. And also on the 850WFTL.com is our UIP blog, where you can see all the pictures that pertain to what we spoke about in this episode and all the previous episodes as well. Amen. Including.

Oh, my gosh. Yes. Oh, boy. We buried the lead. Yeah, exactly. And that's exactly what this story is. We've talked about the Roswell version of Pennsylvania, Roswell version of Mexico, and now Texas has their own Roswell incident. And this predates the original Roswell of New Mexico.

Really? By 50 years, Karen. Oh, my goodness. We're like pre-1900s. Exactly. We go back to 1897 here in Aurora, Texas. Wow. I'll try to explain this one because that's way back when.

Actually, this area, the Aurora Cemetery, may contain the most. important grave in the world. It may contain aliens. That's right. From a pilot from a spaceship that crashed April 17th, 1897. Here's a little bit of the audio from a guy that knows the cemetery well. This is my understanding that he was moved and buried elsewhere so that, you know, people couldn't go around digging him up.

And it would make sense to a dream. The people that did that are all dead. I don't know if they passed it on to anybody else, but I'm not aware of anybody that knows actually the actual radio site. But, you know, again, you know, that going back to that good old Texas law, you got to get permission of his next of kin to dig them up anyway. So, who know, unless you're the people that's going to move you. Yeah, so like an exhumation, you'd have to, like, phone some sort of other planet

and find out if it's okay. And what you're right. Yeah, exactly. E.T. phone up. Right. Are you the parent of this alien? And so what he's referring to there is in 1897, there was his crash. Okay. Now, keep in mind, I don't want to gloss over 1897 because that's important here, the timeline. The Wright brothers didn't invent flight until 1903.

Okay. Okay. This is six years before the invention of flight. So 1897, you're sitting in your ranch there in ORA, Texas, and you see something flying in the air. you're like what the heck is that and the pilot of the spaceship is the guy they buried yes we didn't have pilots back did we even have the word pilot no i don't think we did so again the timeline here is here lies the guy that was in the thing yeah i mean they didn't even know what to refer to this as because there had never been anything flying before that they had ever seen now so keep that in mind because it's extremely important it's not like now when you have a sighting and you can say oh well it was a drone there was nothing it It's 1897. Yes, right. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S.

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So they see this thing flying through the air. It's crashing to earth. This is reported by multiple witnesses at the time. It was even in the newspaper. It's one of the first reported sightings on print, actually. It hit a windmill. It hit a windmill. And so they have a memorial to all this in Aurora, Texas.

And so, of course, the townspeople, they go to check it out, and they tell the kids to stay behind. And one of the kids is Mary Evans, who was 15 at the time, I try, Karen, when I tell you. I know you scoured. Everywhere. So she was 15 in 1897. So there could be audio of her speaking about it somewhere. There was a 1972 interview.

And I've seen the interview before. Okay. And for the life of me, okay, I could not find this interview for this episode. I wanted to play the audio for everyone so they could hear the interview themselves. But unfortunately, it's been like scrubbed from existence. So I can just tell you firsthand from that interview, she spoke about matter-of-factly that her parents told her to stay behind at the barn. They were going to go check out the scene. And they told her what they saw.

They had no reason to lie. Again, there was nothing to gain from this. They discovered the alien body. They forbade her to go. Yes. They, you know, they said, look, you stay here and finish your chores. So we'll tell you what going on. Yeah.

And they did. And they told her, look, we had, we found an alien. body. We found a body that wasn't human. There was wreckage and they buried it. They got the pastor. They had a Christian burial for this otherworldly being. Really interesting. And they, you know, gave him Christian final rights and they took the wreckage and put it into the grave with the alien. Oh, that's cool. Because they're saying that the craft hit the windmill was torn to pieces along with the occupant, whoever this person was, thing. And then they were blocked by the, uh, scientist wanted to dig it up, by the cemetery association, because, like the sound said,

the exhumations could only be authorized by next to kid. Exactly. So you might be wondering, well, if there's an alien buried there with a gravestone, by the way, that marks it. There was a gravest there. That's what they said. Still, to this day that people go to visit that says, here lies, you know, space traveler who crashed in 1897 along with his wreckage.

And, you know, unknown. But he's not there. But he's not there because, well, here's the thing. Like you said, you needed by Texas state law, you needed it. permission from next of kin to dig it up so nobody could ever do it they wanted to that that that it wouldn't apply that jurisdiction doesn't apply to space the space right so of course there always fights over this well eventually karen you had mufon who we've spoken about before yeah moveon dot org right it's uh the mutual ufo not move that's move on movon that's move on movon moofo

network and they have different divisions around the country um and they tried to investigate this site some years ago and when they went to go investigate it they did some metal detector work and they actually found spikes of detection of metal at the grave site so again how did they dig it up while they were trying to get special permission by the time they got back to go try to dig this gravesite up guess what no more spikes of course not metal detectors you say spikes you mean the metal detector right egging not metal spikes in the ground but yes they need to relax this exhumation law there. I know. I mean, get, come on. And then there was this Charlie Stevens. He was 10 when it happened. And he explained that he saw the airship trailing smoke as it headed north

toward Aurora. And he went, he wanted to see what happened. But his dad says, no, finish your chores. Hey, priorities. Hey, yeah, I think that's what our kids need today, some chores. Yes. But he said that his father went down the next day and saw the wreckage from the crash. That's right. So again, these are witnesses who have nothing to gain. There was no, there wasn't a Roswell. They weren't getting clicks by claiming this. Yes, exactly. There's just regular old people who are living their lives pre-20th century. They didn't go viral. No. So they just, they saw something crashing to the ground. Again, six years before flight was even invented. And this is, this is their story. This is what they say that they saw. So you have to wonder to yourself, out of all the stories we've ever spoken about, whether it was Valiant Thor, the Dulce base,

underwater bases, whatever we've talked about in the past, Eisenhower, meeting with the aliens, Nixon taking Jackie Gleason to meet aliens at Homestead Air Force Base, which again, these are all in previous episodes if you want to look at our previous episodes. And listen, out of everything we've ever spoken about, this one story to me has to be one of the most compelling, for lack of a better term, damning stories of evidence toward the existence of something otherworldly. Because you have these people from 1897 who have nothing. to gain, who have nothing to lose by reporting this. It's reported in the local newspaper.

And what else can they say? They see something flying through the air before flight even existed on Earth. So they have no other way to explain it other than what they saw, which is an airship trailing smoke, wreckage, a body on the ground. A flying saucer of some sort. Right. You know, I don't think that was mainstream back in the 1800s that aliens were in flying saucers. But, you know, it makes me think of the dinosaurs and their extinction and what caused it.

They're saying, what was it a big meteor or asteroid? Maybe it was a spaceship. The only other explanation is that it was some type of meteor, meteorite, whatever. That's the only other explanation, but they called it an airship. I mean, I think they would know the difference of a rock and some type of flying instrument, right? I mean, it's not, I know it's 100 years ago, but it's not like they were dumb. And then Mufon comes back in the metal. detector doesn't pick up anything.

That's weird. Right. So that's the thing about this, too. They had a burial. It's not like they're going to throw meteor fragments into a grave. It was like some sort of a being. Yeah. I mean, they had a body and it was dead.

So they did the only thing they knew how to do, which was have a respectful Christian burial. They did that for this being. They put the wreckage in there. Years later, it's investigated by Mufon. They see the pegging on their metal detectors that there's something under there. They come back to investigate and it's gone. And so the question is, where did all this stuff go? Because the gravesite is still there to this day.

But now there may not be anything in there because it started to gain more notoriety. It started to be investigated. People, there was a lot of different specials, TV specials and movies being made about this in the 70s and the 80s. So as that started to happen, well, that catches the attention of not only the populace but of the government. Well, I think it's weird that we talk about all of this and all these sightings, but we have no tangible evidence of an alien. You know what I mean? Yeah. We don't have a corpse.

We don't have really photographic evidence. You know, unless you want to believe again, stories like this. Yeah. Stories like this where people say they had the body and they buried it. Or Roswell, you know, different people have said that they've seen bodies. Jackie Gleason, who said that, you know, Richard Nixon showed him alien bodies. I like the sweaty, hairless one with the three arms. Did he have three arms?

I think it was three fingers. Anyway, that was the one in Brazil. That was Brazil's Rosemary. There's a lot of sightings, but we never actually have a physical either body or photo. That they let us see anyway. I mean, there's kids that have drawn stuff. Right. And it all looks the same.

Yeah, no, it's a good point. You know, again, previous episodes, anywhere you get your podcast, you can find UAP or an 850wftl.com. We talked about the happening in, oh, I forget the name of the city, but in Brazil, where those three girls. Those three women, yeah. They saw what they described as some type of alien, you know, sitting. Crash landed. He was like, he was dazed and confused. Yeah, he was injured. Yeah, he was injured. And they, I mean, they have, you know, descriptions of that. And another incredible story that we've talked about in the past. And I think it was our mass sightings episode where you had the school children in Africa. Right. I believe it was Zimbabwe. Yeah. And they drew pictures of it. They all drew identical pictures of the alien that landed in the back of the school. I mean, it was an incredibly big ship. They drew pictures of the aliens that they saw. So again, these.

are all eyewitness accounts. We've just never had that one moment yet, yet, where an alien has come on TV and said, hey, I'm an alien. I want to take a selfie with an alien. That would be something. How fun would that be? I mean, now we've got this proliferation of cell phones with cameras. We should start seeing more photographic evidence if they're this pervasive.

I mean, look, there's always reported sightings. Unless they jam it electronically or give an EMP. Well, that's the thing that makes it tough, too. I mean, you can go to YouTube and type in UFO. sightings and a million videos pop up, but what's real and what's photoshopped and what's digitally made by somebody in their, you know, in their bedroom. We don't know now. I don't want to know.

Right. So it's hard to tell. And that's why I find these stories that we cover on UAPs so fascinating and compelling because there's no motive to come up with this. Right. These are things that are verified by radar. These are things that are verified by seasoned pilots by eyewitness accounts. Newspaper reporting.

Right. In times like in Aurora, Texas, anyway, in times before your flight even exists. You know, before the turn of the 20th century. So we tried to give those types of stories to you. And again, you could always go on YouTube and just look at videos, but you don't know what's real. You don't know what you're looking at. Exactly. There's so many things that we don't know whether or not it's true or real or not.

It's just, it's a crazy time we're living in. Well, speaking of crazy times, Karen. Yes, next week. Now is a good time to preview next week. Episode 19 of UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast, where we're, we're. We are going to venture in to the crazy astronomical world of purported time travelers. Oh, I love it. And I know we've talked about portals and Stargates before.

And lost time. Yes. But these are time travelers and interstellar portals where a man names, well, I don't want to give way the name yet, but a man who talked about being part of a 1980s experiment with teenagers with a guy named Barack Obama. On Mars. Where they were sent to Mars together. And even another guy who talks about how he was recruited right out of his bedroom as a teenager and spent 20 years on the moon on bases and on Mars fighting interstellar wars. I'm telling you, these stories are ridiculous, but they're amazing.

I love it. Hey. You make up your own mind when you hear them. You make up your mind. Exactly. It's incredible. I love it. That's interesting because, you know, what is the purpose of the moon? The Earth and we, the people on it, would not survive without the moon and the tide.

and the tides and all of that. But also is it like a death star? Well, according to some people, we have, there's a lot more on the moon than just... Is it cheese? Maybe not cheese, but there's a lot more on the moon than just craters, according to some people. So interesting. We're going to get into some of those stories next week on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Remember to download and subscribe to this and any other future episodes.

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