UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 180 The Antonio Alves Story - Personal Tales of Abductions, Missing Time, and the Men in Black

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

Making a rare appearance, life long experiencer, Antonio Alves, sits down with Stephen Diener for an in depth discussion to reveal the unexplained occurrences that have followed him since early childhood. How did these "men in black" know so much about him? And how did he and his daughter end up on the other side of town with missing time? These are just a couple of the stories that are explored during this part one episode...Go to surfshark.com/UAP or use code UAP at checkout to get four extra months of Surfshark VPN. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And the reason why I wanted to bring him on, actually, is kind of to keep with something I spoke about during my first episode of the year with Chris Ramsey, which was wanting to speak with more, quote-unquote, normal everyday experiencers. And Antonio was somebody who reached out to me about his story and wrote a very lengthy email, and I appreciate the time that he took to put all that together

from basically start to finish, from when he was a child to right now, present day in his older age. And Antonio is somebody that you'll hear coming up here in just a minute originally from Portugal. So I will say this as far as just a little disclaimer. He does have an accent, a European accent. He's from Portugal, but it doesn't, you know, make it super hard to understand. He can still understand him. But I just wanted to throw that out there for, of course, you know, listening reasons. But, you know, great guest, a great storyteller and someone who was just amazing in putting out the details of everything he's experienced.

And I'm just going to kind of let it go from here and give you my thoughts after because I don't want to put too much into this introduction and put like, you know, preconceived notions in your head. I want you to listen, come up with your own conclusions and then come back after this first part of the interview and then part two will come out in a couple days later this week to talk about more about what he discussed in his life and other things that have happened throughout his life. But in this first part, you're going to hear about his own dealings with what he perceived to be the men in black, what he perceived to be different sightings as a child, and possible abduction scenarios with missing time. So there's a lot that goes into this. And I think

it's a very, very fascinating story. And I'm happy and excited to present to you really a very rarely heard a count here from someone that hasn't really been out there on a lot of shows with Antonio Alves. So sit back, consider everything you're about to hear right now and the scenarios and the situations that go along with it with myself and Antonio Alves and then we'll come back with some afterthoughts after this part one of the discussion. Right here on UAP, enjoy. Well, I'm excited to have this conversation today with a man named Antonio Alves. You may not know Antonio right away or maybe even his story, but I'm telling you right now, this is a story that you are going to want to hear and consider here today on UAP.

So Antonio, thanks so much for coming on to the show today. I really appreciate it. Welcome. You have really a extremely captivating and fascinating story. It's one that if I could just, you know, kind of set the table on it when you reached out to me about this and I I read your story that you sent to me through email probably

two or three times just to make sure I was getting all the detail and I was taking notes so there's a lot to cover in your story it's essentially your life and you have experienced alien interaction throughout

your entire life but as you began and you were telling me your story I kind of go back to where you say you remember it beginning in the late 70s, early 80s as you were around 10 years older so in Portugal, right? Yeah, that's right. My parents, they have a farm, and we're leaving the farm, and it's a small town.

At that time, I don't know if you have 1,000 people. Not everybody know everybody. And usually we go dinner and we met another friends, go to the club, and we actually met another friends, go to the club. kids and I think I have another band just we just play and one night I asked I talked with

my friend Alex and said okay you go dinner I'm going to my house or who is the first you go call another one and this is a farm with a lot of olives and after dinner I just walk between the trees

for go in the his house And that time, I saw a big white light in the top of the Oliver trees. I looked for that thing. Everything is dark around, just the light. And I'm just looking. I don't know for a long time. And they came in my mind and said,

let me call him for he saw that thing. And I go with his house, but he was not there already. But I go to the club. And when I come back, I look at the tree. And they're still there, that big white light. And I catch my friend. When we run away to the farm of my father, this was to happen. That light, we figured out there was the same.

There was not white anymore, but it's like orange. And they go just fly real slow on above the trees. No noise, nothing. We keep looking until it's up here. and not disappear just we can't see anymore and in that time we look at the show

this what is that and even that time I you know because Portugal we have just one channel in that time it's a government and this is the end of the war in 1974 this thing that must be

up in like 76 77 and we don't know nothing I even does know what this word in Portuguese UFO and after that we talk with the people but the people

smile, they even don't know they don't know what UFO is, nothing. And the thing is, after that life, my life changed. Even the kid. First time they change out of the way I go see the

religions and they meet me, I don't know what, but start studying all kinds different religions. And I go to the I still do this. example, the Bible, take parts from the Bible, they look like a UFO close encounter. But the funny thing is, I don't know nothing.

I just have that feeling, okay, this part, you know, let's take. Like Moses see something, let you take this. This is looks like, looks like what? Because I have nothing. And after they come the dreams, I say, I have a dreams. And what I feel is like, because this podcast, I believe this is why they happened five days ago. You know, when I, something happened because I was in some talk shows in Portugal,

days before the things come strong about dreams. It's like, okay, go, go, or you do well or something, let's go. You know, it's something like, say, hello, we are still here. We don't leave you from any, but we're still looking at you, you know. I am interested if we can go back real quick, Antonio, the first sighting there. You see this really bright light. It was white at first, then kind of turns orangeish.

You and your friend both see it eventually, where you both see it. So it wasn't just you, which I do find interesting, that it was more than one person. And a lot of your sightings were like that where it was more than just you, and we'll get to those. But I do wonder, the size of that light that you saw, was it more of like a small orb? Was it bigger in size? Do you remember anything about that? You know, Oliver three, they think it'll be above, about three or four, three is that one. It's a real big one, you know.

And everything is dark around. They were just, you know, and I don't know the reason they change for orange or when they move or not. I don't know, you know, but when the move, my friend just saw orange and they move. When will we be there in that place? they move already. The light move already and change for orange. I don't see change white to orange. There was orange already when I was there.

Okay, I got you. And after that, they come a scary thing. It's what I call the polarization, vibration. It's like that thing is you are in the bed, not sleeping, and you start being, you can start, move the lakes, can start to move all the body. Like a sleep paralysis.

Yeah, yell at my parents, no sounds. And they happen a lot of times. They happen. After, I'm a rose release of forever. I'm just run to the,

the bedroom to my parents. I remember I have 10, 11 years. So I have not more than that. There was so normal. My mother, as a coach, just for when I go in the daybed, the bedroom, just for when I run and they'll sleep over there and stay over there because I don't want to go back. Right. I was so scared. Do you remember seeing anything during the sleep paralysis episodes as a child?

Or was it just, you know, did you have any vision? No, I have that feeling, you know, that feeling come stop my food, my legs. When in the middle, they were real fast. And it's funny because after a long time, one day we talked with my family, the site of my mother, they start talking about, they have that. What they figure out is this thing isn't on my family. And they said even my grandmother talked about paralyzed, everything, even when we're talking, when they talk like my cousin and my aunt, the things go to more the religions than the UFOs and the other. Yeah, sure. That's always one of the big discussions, right?

Trying to differentiate between the two if there should be a differentiation sometimes. Maybe there's crossover. That's one thing that we always try to figure out. And I'll get to that topic as well because I've found it very interesting that you are, have a history with the Fatima apparitions. So we'll talk about that later too. This is something, but I did want to go back real quick to something that you said after your first sight. When you said you started, when you went to school, you started to realize,

that you became very interested in studying different religions and studying the Bible. So you didn't have, or even ancient civilizations. So you didn't have those interests until after you had your first encounter? Yeah. It's funny because in history, I was, in Portuguese, in Portuguese, it's from one to five, the scale in the school. And I have like in history, like three. After this thing happened, I have five, the top. 100% in all tests, you know.

And I remember one teacher told me, oh, the thing changed, you know. And I know they have some relation with the light. I know. But, you know, I don't know. I don't know too much. You know, like I said, even the word UFO, I don't know too much about what is the area of UFO area,

you know, but I know they change. You know, they have another thing. It's I start talking about. DNA about hybrid people you know sometimes I even

don't know why I talk about that I just know you know that but you don't know why where this comes from I have another thing

is tell my my friends just remind I have 11, 12 years old not more than that and I talk about time we have no time we have no future

no past everything is in present and I know I learned from that night, you know. And I said, if you can see the futurist, because the future is already there, because you can. And I explained this, of course, everything. The thing is, the time come up, up. And I said, well, I'm right in 76, 76.

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and these new interests? There was another sighting that you had that I wanted to ask you about is this cigar-shaped UFO that you saw with your dad. Can you talk about that? Yeah. Yeah.

I was, like I said, you have just one channel in that time. And they have some fun program in a committee and everybody's the same. And this is... I will say this real quick, Antonio, and just before you continue your story, you bring up an important point that I want to kind of highlight, which is you're growing up in a time where in Portugal where there is no internet, there is no social media, there is no satellite TV. And you mentioned that. I want to highlight that because I think that's important because that shows that you're not being influenced. You weren't influenced by TV and movies, you know, showing these things.

You weren't watching, you know, on the history channel where they have ancient aliens. These are things that you hadn't seen before other than what you were seeing in your life. Yeah. The most things, when I come to 9th State, 1990, 1987, I was enjoyed the move on. In the meetings, this is when I started. I never listen about missing times. motherships I said

everything that was new for me but it's not new it's you just didn't have a name for it yeah you know I saw that even time stop you know and I just thought it's good because I start

understand real what's happened over there you know but when I'm going to tell you what and I was yeah please go ahead with the cigar shaped UFO yeah I was sit down with my my father and we looked at show even black and white

in that time, you know, you know, just colors 80s on TV. You can see how back is, Portugal, in that time, you know. The channel opened just six hours a day, you see. Hello. And we watched that,

that, that, that, that program. And I started, my father had five dogs, a real big dogs, and that was, for, for the cows.

And because my father had a farm, And all the dogs, even mine and the neighbors, they make a lot of noise. And I say, I tell my father, I'll go see what's going on with the dogs. The moment I step outside the house, everything was quiet. Mine dogs, neighbors, dogs, no noise. And I saw call the dogs. And we talk about big dogs. They find against the wolves.

It's not like any kind of dog. It's a dead dog's prepared for finding against the wolves for the ships for the still the ship. I call each one dog, five dogs. They like disappear. I said, it's gone. And I started to see no noise around. And that moment I looked at it up and I saw that big, big orange cylinder.

And I call my father. And I say, I can come, come. Can I see this thing. My father, and both watch that thing. Just real, it looks like slow, no noise at all. And the, but, you know, after a while, I figured out, it's like the moment stop. You have no time to stop.

You just look at that. And my father said, I grew up the binocles, and I go to her home. And that's what I will look. And it said they have, looks like a windlass, black windings. But, and one thing I saw it in the back of that, that orange cylinder, it's like a little flame, but it's like a cut. You know, it's not like you flame, you see the fire and all the flame.

No, it looks like cut. It looks like it's another, I don't know, another dimension over there, you know. And we keep look at that for a while. My father, after that, I said, I'm going home. I go see the show. And I still look at that for what, more, one, two minutes. After a while, I don't know, my dogs and all the neighbor's dogs start make noise. All the life come back again.

And I'm just walking again and look. I call the dogs, the dogs come next to me. Everything is normal again. Wow. So it lasted a few minutes. but and the dogs reacted as well. And I do find it interesting how they quieted down as soon as you came out.

Almost like it was almost like, do you feel like you were being called out there? Because as soon as you go out, they stop? Or is that too much of a... I think it was a coincidence. I just go out and the things stop, you know. And because it's not just my dogs. You know, if you're just my dogs, I go outside

and they have a fray or something. Nothing. But it's all the dogs of the neighbors. And we call neighbors, we call about 100 meters far away. It's not just the neighbor next to the dog. You know, because this is a far. And what they make me more strange is it was not just the dogs. It's the horse, the cows, the chicken.

Everything stop. No noise. I don't know if they stop, stop. You understand? But they have no noise at all. Nothing. And the noise comes. all the same time again.

It looks like you stop the movie. Now you go start again the movie and everything move again. You know, you mentioned that it was a big craft that you saw. Can you give an approximation of how big or? I can tell how big is. I just know it's a real, real big. I think it's a little big. And I believe in there was not just me.

I saw that because that thing is real big. Yeah. somebody or saw that, that thing, you know. And so it shows up for a few minutes and then it's just, it's gone and then it's life. We talk about maybe 10, 50 minutes between, all from the beginning. I saw until when I could go back and everything, it's normal. We talked about 10, 50 minutes because we take your wife for four or five minutes, look at that thing, me and my father, you know.

Wow. So what happens after that, Antonio? Did you notice anything strange? anything else as far as in your life or meeting other people that was strange after that? Yeah. Well, yes. The thing happened 79, 80. And what's happened is we have some days like I think it's Wednesdays and Tuesdays.

One year of the school, we have no classes in the afternoon. Okay. When we're doing it, we just go. to the road number four, it's the road they make connect Lisbon to Spain, and you ask for right. And normal we go three, four guys, and when we be there, we explain two, two, for the right. And there was my turn.

I was with another guy, and I asked for right. In that moment, I want to tell us something before all this. That two stories I will tell you, I never figured out nothing until 2008. This happened 7980. And I never take that in my mind. It was what I'm still thinking about. In 2008, I was contacted with the president of Portrait's UFO

associations. And I tell that this story, this is when it's topic. they got come nuts and they said no no this is men in black and I still I don't know it's a man in black but so you think you were contacted by the men in black in this story okay so let's see how so I'm not thinking that you were told that right later on but I don't told this black I just told there was a real strange right you know but and this is where they start we talk about there must be men in black but I'm not sure if it was well well Because, okay, and I was with another friend mine, and they stopped a black car.

Real, I tell you, we are surprised because even the windows, they were opened by himself. And it's a real strange for the time, especially in Portugal, the car, you know? It stood out, yeah. And, okay, the man is around 16, 65 years only. And he said, okay, come inside. And I asked the right. I go next to the driver. And he was in the back.

And he just said nothing. For anything, just say good afternoon. And that's it. And he turned to me and said, what are you about, when do you think about the Bermuda triangle? He just randomly asks you. He just randomly asks you.

Just like that. We talked 78, 79. And he's asking the kids this question. But one funny thing in that time, I was reading a book about that fly 19, fly 9 disappeared in Bermuda Triangle. What more make more confused are this guy know about that, you know? After that, I even doesn't answer. I was just, what's going here?

And he stopped talking about pyramids, aliens, UFOs, Fatima. And the thing is, when we go close to the town, usually they drop on the road and we walk into the tower house.

It doesn't need that. You just go inside, drive. I don't know how they find out. The house of my friend drop him. It just drop over there. Well, the time is past. And one day, I was with another friend.

mind and the who else asked for the right I don't know if I don't know if the same months of the same year I don't remember that am I am I I asked the right and there come the black car again the black and I saw I remember the guy you know it was so so the same guy from before came to pick up again the same guy before well and they said come come inside and I go next to the driver and And my friend go in the back seat, but there was different. They have another guy in the back seat of the driver. This doesn't make too much sense, you know, because why it's not with the next driver, you know?

Well, when I'm sitting down, it starts all over again. Aliens, parents, ancient aliens, have all DNA, the way they come from. I'm just listening. Wow. And then after that, when we will be at next town, he do the same. They dropped my friend at the door, go to the drop me in the front of the gate of the farm. And he said, okay, keep going. And one day we go see again.

It's okay. But in the morning, my friend, when we wait for the bus, go to the school. and they come to me that guy's real strange the guy was in the back I said why this is this is I think

something is wrong in this right well it's wrong because the guy talked about UFO right away this is the first thing wrong you know but he said you know I go inside I say hello

the guy doesn't even turn his face to me doesn't say just keep and they say and I said can you describe the guy. Yeah, it's a old guy, between 23, 23, 25

years old. With all black you have all the black. Like a black suit, black jacket. Yeah, like that was the same, that one, the driver. It's all the black. And he said the face, it's like

wax. It's not normal faith. Too white. And it doesn't look at me. One second. And he said he have strange glasses, dark glasses, and he has

now he has seven eight and he said the hair is real cut real short. Matter of fact, he says it looks like in the army. And the guys are real pissed off with him because he doesn't see anything. And he described that.

And that's it. And all All this time until 2008, when that guy asked me, there is real, I don't know, it was strange about that mind to write. Matter of fact, I was in the talk show with him, and I talked with about that encounter with my friend Alex. And he turned to the host. Hey, hey, hey, Tony, Antonio, Antonio. Tell him about the right. And she said, okay, let's go listening about the right.

So that's really interesting because that sounds like a man in black encounter. sounds like and and again you didn't even know that was a thing until much later on in your life about 40 years later or so um and and i think of two things that really strike me well more than that but the things that kind of stick out is number one how your friend Alex uh describes the man in the backseat uh no no it's not my friend Alex is another friend i'm sorry um so another one of your friends my apologies and he describes man in the back seat as almost looking non-humanist and with the waxy skin. And that strikes me because I've heard,

and I'm sure now of long years you have as well, when it comes to the men in black, and if they come to visit somebody, there have been different accounts that one of the men would be human and the other wouldn't be. So it's just interesting to hear that you possibly had an encounter like that before even knowing what it was. And the other thing, too, that struck me, Antonio,

was they dropped you guys off around the area of your homes. How did I get... In the front house. In the front? Yeah, in the front of the door of the house. So they knew where you guys lived. And it's another thing. There's two rides with two different guys, two different friends.

Two different friends, right. Okay, oh, good point. So the first friend, they drop him off at his house, the second one on his house. And another one, they go drop again. And he knows. He knows where I live. Right. And this happens after you see that big craft that made all the animals silent and everything.

So this happened after that. Yeah, this happened. There must be, yeah, there must be one year or less. The dates, it's a, I know it's after that. Right. After that. Very, very intriguing. And that thing happened again, 99,19-19-190, 19.

year in October, I was living in battle, Connecticut. I was working at a diner place. And they have someone go to the restaurant and ask for me and they want to talk with me. And I said, okay, the restaurant will be closed, 9 o'clock after that. And you just go, he just left. And I was at home already and somebody. knocked the door, there was this guy. And I said, and they said, okay, well, let's go.

We'll go in the bar and we're talking. And we see town. And they said, it's an engineer for EBM. And he said, okay, the best thing you go do is go be out to move hole. And don't talk with, there was a guy that talked a lot about UFO. He live in battle. I said, okay. But after that, it's funny because he gave me a book.

and the book hits UFOs in Canada. It's a book from 16th. And they just stand up, just walk, and I don't see him. So this guy comes to your place of work in Connecticut around 1990, says he needs to talk to you, someone you've never met before. And then he leaves and then shows up at your house. So similar to what happened. Yeah, the same, he knocked the door.

As a matter of fact, there was my father answered the door. And I just go in the back because he doesn't speak English. I say, okay, it's okay, fine. And my father said, I know, we can't. No, no, no, we go talk. You don't understand anything. Where you go, sit down over there. But this, this talking, they're going to take about, what, five minutes?

They take me more in the bar than we're talking. And just stand up. Even the wait, I have not time for the coffees. When she comes with the coffee, he was stand up already, and give him the book already, and just leave him. And he comes and tells you that, you shouldn't talk to anybody at yeah and that's

right it should be out of the Mufo he doesn't say why and I was so confusing because in that time I think somebody called me for a job because and I think there was that it's not about UFOs it I think it's

often for a job you know right right okay so was this I just understand what he said about Mufo and about all that I said well well this is nothing about jobs No, right. And how would he know that you're talking to people on the phone? This is different. And I'm just gone. Give me the book. I have the book.

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Make a dinner reservation while we bring you to our island home. Hawaii starts here. So he gives you this random book about UFOs in Canada and says, here you go. Any significance, anything you noticed about it over the? the years or you just kind of stashed it away? No, I have just, the book, it's with another softs I have about my, my closing countries, but I never, I open, you know, make like this. And I know I have something, wrapped things in the pages, but I never, I never read.

And it's funny because one day, I start for read the book, I have that feeling, it's not time yet for you read the book. And I have that feeling, you know. That kind of voice I have a lot of time, and I just put it the book. Was this just kind of like a, you know, to clear it up in my own head, was this the same guy from Portugal or was this someone different that came to the language? It's different. It's a younger guy. It's a really young.

Turius and around the turis. And he looked human, right? He didn't have the waxy skin. No, no, no. No. No. No. If he doesn't talk about muffo, the mof, the mof, talk about anything else.

I just listen, you know, and at home, like, you know, when you see a lot of things happen, a lot of things with you, a lot of things you see, okay, that's one more thing, but that doesn't matter. Yeah, adding to the list. And he tells you that he works for IBM, which you didn't feel like that was true. That was okay. I have 25 years old when this thing happened. Well. I don't know if you want to talk about what's happened in 14 months, the missing time. Yes, I do. I absolutely do. I'm just having my notes. I look for and. Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

The missing time then. So we'll start there because you have experienced missing time before. How has that happened? What was the circumstances surrounding your missing time? It was in March 14 March, 1986. I remember very well because this is there was the day. My father passed away the last May. And there was the date of the birthday of my father.

And there was around 10 minutes to 7 p.m. I was with another guy's in the bicycle. And one of the guys, this is why I know all the time something was wrong because one guy said, okay, it's almost 7 o'clock. Let's go home. We're hitting and we met in the club. Like a normal life. There's nothing change.

And you're what about around a teenager at this time? Is that? On 86. I born 65. Okay. So you're not 20-ish. I have 20-ish. I have 20 because this happened in March and I just made 21 in November.

I have 20 years old that time. I said, okay. And from that place, and they have just one street. And it was in the front, the gate of the farm of my parents. And I was going inside, I look up and I saw a light. It looks like a star. But, you know, we told this here and look at the sky. You start learning something, you know.

Not everything, but, you know, already some constellations and some ways the Venus is. Sure. And I say, look, that's strange. And that light, it's orange to red light, yellow. And I would look. And it just appeared and show for another side of the road a little far away, not too far away. They did it four times. After four times, it's appear and doesn't appear again.

And that time I look at the watch. It's 7.45. Remember, I just figured out missing times when I was in the ninth state, 1989, the moful meetings. I don't know about nothing missing time. And I said, this is impossible. Where is my 45 minutes? You know, what I did, I go back in the front of the gate with the bicycle and come back again. And they take me less than five, six minutes, not more than that, you know.

Of course, I never forget this because I have a little confusing. You waste my least 35 minutes, 40 minutes. You know, where it is? And about the missing time, there was not just that one. I believe I have more than that one, but I can remember. But I have another one with my daughter. And this is 2018, and I go pick up my daughter, and we go to my parents' house. And this is in the weekend.

And we say, well, the weekend and Sunday night. And I want to explain just one thing for you first, the way. This road, we have three ways for go to the city, the capital of the state, where I live. But this road, it's, it's the, it's 29 kilometers, it's not far away from, from my farm to my house, my parent, 29. But it's, you know, the road, when you come another car, you must go real slow. You have, you must give F road for you and F road for the car for we can pass.

Okay. You know, and they have a lot of curves and they have a lot of wild parks. to what is dangerous. You have a lot of accidents there. And we must go inside the small village. They have around maybe 800,000 people. And they have a lot of dumps, you know, that thing in the street where you don't go fast.

Right, like a speed bump. Yeah. And we have three. After that, we have another one in the front of the cemetery, because smithery is different than the United States. It's close. evolves, everything. And I want to tell you, just this is important.

When you pass to the cemetery in your left side, you can see already the lights from the city. Because they have no mountains. It's all planned. You can see, have a little else where everything started in the king's time. They start with the castles and all that stuff. And you can see the light far away.

I want to just tell it this because it's important. Well, we're living. We just go. star, I go start drive to back home. And I look at the watch of the car. It is at 11 p.m. And my daughter with the cell phone said, oh, yeah, it's 11 p.m. And usually they have a little hill and we stop over there. And the next, we talk about 11 p.m. next, where we figure out I look and we was about one

mile from my house and I turned to us and hey this is the lights already forever you are here already and we look at the clock it's 11, 12, 12 minutes it's impossible in that in 12 minutes

my daughter look at me and say what were you talking about all this time I said I don't know and this why we doesn't stop at the hill like normal we're doing and look at the sky. And I, you know, this is not really confusing. And I say, why I just see the lights of the city is just one mile from the city?

We talk about the capital of the state. It's not a small city. Why I don't see the lights? We don't see the light. After we left, that place called Iggenia, in English, it's a small church. They call that small village, you know. Why, when I go out the Eugenia, I don't see the lights from the city. We just see real close.

And we will stop at the stop sign. We talk all that because I'm not car. And the things start real strange, and my daughter started making a lot of questions. And she started to understand because she has, like I told you, They have another close encounter by ourselves. And it's two people. We saw the same time 11 o'clock. Two people that doesn't remember anything.

We're talking. We even don't remember between the village, drive across the, we don't remember anything. But the thing is, if something happened, we don't see anything like lights or something. No, we don't see anything. Right. We just figure out that because it's 12 minutes, what is totally impossible. We do that. And all that, that answer, that questions, we have no answer for that. It's incredible stuff, Antonio, I mean, because you talk about two different occurrences, you know, spread apart by years. And both times you have this missing time scenario where you really can't piece together what happened in between those. And this last one that, that you're, you.

talking about, especially really, really kind of piques my interest because you're in a different location, right? I mean, you ended up, when you came back, so to speak, and this, you know, after this missing time, you're not in the spot where you guys were before. So not only do you have missing time, but you're in a different location than you were from what you remember. So it's like this instantaneous, we're here, now we're over here, and what happened? For every less, they move us for one place, for another place. We talk about, with 28 kilometers, you know, I don't know how much my list, but it's 28 kilometers, you know. And what for us was more confusing.

It's not we move from one place to another because they moved 12 minutes. It's why we don't remember nothing. Yeah. You know, it's like everything is blackout. It's not just me. My daughter in that time as 2008, he has 11 years old. Yeah, he born in 2007, 11 years old. And she saw questions, you know, but because things happen with her already and left marks in the body.

My daughter. Yeah. I did want to ask you that, actually, because I find the similarities, how you started to experience things as a child. and now your daughter is experiencing things as a child because there was something that happened here in 2023 if I have that right just a few years ago and that would place her as about a teenager where she woke up with geometric shapes under her chin right yeah right yeah right yeah and they have like here uh I don't know it's two I have the photo a two or three like a doubly and the funny thing, you know, in that night, she told me she was in the bed and they look at the

window and see that big, big shadow in the, they don't look like a man. They said they have more than two meters. I, uh, in the front of the, the window. And she said she was so afraid, you know, but she doesn't move in the morning when she told to her mother about what happened and this is why they figure out they saw the marks right here not here like right under her chin yeah yeah and these these strange markings you said they they they look like w's yeah like a double double and double and uh wow but we thought a lot of things happen you know and uh she's real special you know she saw things real strange you know but she doesn't like talk about that sure yeah she has just she has just

18, you know, and, you know, it's real talk with her because she keep ourselves. And that's where we will stop for now on part one here with myself and Antonio Alves. So you heard, again, you know, a lot to consider there. As he goes in, you know, we start with his own childhood growing up in in Portugal and seeing these lights as a child and then ending there with his own experiences with his daughter. And you kind of see that theme. You see that pattern developing, I think, right? Where we talk about how what he's experienced his entire life now seems to have been passed down to his daughter, which we kind of get into that in the second part where I kind of bring up the point.

And actually, it was funny enough. It was ironic, actually, that this was something that I even brought up with Chris Ramsey previously. And I didn't know I was going to kind of go down that same path with Antonio when I brought up the question with Chris. say, you know, is part of the phenomenon, you know, related to something where it's, it gets passed down? It's hereditary. And, you know, why does it start as a child? And that is something that, to me, again, is undeniable.

Like, you can't not notice the pattern there over so many stories over so many years. And we see it again here with Antonio now where he started as a child and now his daughter having experiences as a child where she sees this, you know, shadow being outside of her window. and then she has these markings under her chin, and they've experienced missing time together when she was 11 years old. And you go back around the same timing to Antonio, and you're actually, spoiler alert, going to find out that it probably started much earlier than 11 years old for Antonio. We talk about that in part two as well, where he had a realization just recently within the past few years that,

oh, wait, I think this actually started when I was a toddler. And we get into how he realized that and what he remembers seeing as well. as a toddler. Really, really fascinating stuff to consider. But then you go back to what he's talking about. And this is the part that really sticks with me, which is why I actually highlighted it. You know, you heard me stop him there in the middle of the conversation

to highlight this point. And it has still stuck with me since I spoke to him, which was he didn't have any outside influence, right? It's not like today. It's not like in 2025 or 2026 where all we have is outside influence, right? No matter where you live, you'll come across different videos, whether it's AI videos or movies or shows or stories, some other experiencers, you know,

that's not something that you come across in, you know, earlier days in Portugal in the, you know, 70s like he's talking about. You heard him say, hey, you know, we had one TV station where it was only on for six hours a day. So it's not like he had a lot of that outside influence growing up. It was just something that was happening to him and he didn't know how to make sense. of it. It was just a thing that was happening in. So I think that portion, for me anyway, that's something that I picked up on. That's something

that I found to be very noteworthy as he went along telling his stories. And then of course, getting picked up by the men in black, I'll say this. I want to relate a personal account when it comes to that. That was something that when I do

this show, I'll put it this way. When I do this show, when I put in the research, when I put in, you know, time to produce the show, and have interviews and put this together, I compartmentalize and I leave it here in the studio, okay? I don't bring it home. And what I mean by that is I do everything here, right, in the studio.

And then when I get home, I'm dad, I'm husband, you know, I'm cleaning things, I'm doing chores, I'm taking care of the kids, to help you with homework, all those different things. I try to keep it separate. So very rarely will I actually bring some of this, home, if you will, and relate some of these stories to my wife. I don't really do it with my kids because they're too young and it's a lot. But once in a while, I'll be like, you know what? I just,

I have to tell you about this. Like this is this one is just really, really kind of sitting in my head. And this was one of those things. This was actually in a rare occurrence in my own personal life when I was out going to the store with my wife. I said, I got to tell you about this interview. I just did. And it was fresh. It was. It was coming off of it on that same day. And one of the things that I related to her was the portion about the men in black. And this isn't really a topic, honestly, that she's very interested in it from being upfront about, again, some of the personal aspects of my life.

She's not really into this topic. She finds it interesting. If I talk about it here and there, you know, she'll watch movies and stuff. But she's not listening to podcasts, right? She's not consuming it every day. She's not looking up on social media. And so when I told her about that part when it comes to. to, hey, look, you know what?

He says he was picked up by these guys in black suits and a black car. Didn't even know what men in black was until later in his life within the past, you know, 15 to 20 years when he learned about it at a Mufon meeting. And they spoke to him about, you know, as a child, hey, what do you think about the Bermuda Triangle? What do you think about aliens? What do you think about abductions? All these different, you know, Egypt pyramids. Like, and I'm telling her this. And she's like, wow, that's weird.

And I said, I know. Like, why would that happen? Why would these guys? again, always up to you. Maybe you think Antonio is making this entire thing up. And if that's the case, if that's what you think, then by all means. But when I'm talking to him personally, it felt like to me that he's relating a personal account. And he went into great detail about all these different accounts.

So that was one thing that just stuck out to me was this seemingly unwitting child is, you know, being questioned by these strange guys and these strange black suits that are out of place. The car is out of place for where he's living in that time in Portugal, you know, on a farm. And they're asking him all these wild questions that would otherwise really make no sense to just come out of the blue. So it was stuff like that that kind of stuck with me here for part one when it comes to Antonio's stories. And why I thought these were unique and why I wanted to relate his personal accounts here on UAP so that way you can consider them the way I have been since we've spoke and recorded this interview. So in part two, there's going to be more of looking back and also more recent stories

as well, including something that we get into with his life where one of his, his, his girlfriend at a time saw him as a non-human being. I'm just going to leave that one there. He tells the story. And that is part of part two along with a lot of other aspects as well. So much more coming up with the Antonio Alves story. Can't wait to relate the rest of it to you here in the next couple of days. So stay tuned.

And also, I do want to update. I know I had said after my episode with Chris Ramsey that I was going to be bringing on Patrick Armstrong from the Vetted podcast. That is still in the works, unfortunately, some scheduling difficulties on both our ends, by the way. This isn't just on Patrick. I was scheduling difficulties on both our ends. We had to move some things around. So hopefully for next week, I'll have to be. Patrick here on UAP, but we are still planning on talking.

I think Patrick's great. I always love talking back and forth with him because he's a guy that like me will consider both sides, right? You just want to ask the questions. You want to talk about it and you want to present the details and ask the questions. And I really enjoy doing that with him. So I'll have him on the show next week now is the plan for Patrick Armstrong from Vetted. But I hope you enjoyed part one there with myself and Antonio Alves and look out for part two coming soon.

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