UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 182 Proof of Using Psy Abilities to Connect with Aliens? Discussing the Psionic Phenomenon with "Vetted"

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

Stephen Diener welcomes back Patrick Armstrong from the popular podcast "Vetted" to discuss the subject of psionics and how his own personal investigations into the topic led him to believe that there truly is a possibility that we may be able to use our consciousness to connect with other worldly beings and their craft...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hawaii starts here. Yes, welcome back into UAP for episode number 182. Stephen Dean are back with you here, as always, on the Unidentified Alien podcast. And happy to be back, of course, and especially with this new two-part episode, me and my buddy, Patrick Armstrong from the Vetted Podcast. He does a great job. A huge audience on YouTube. Has over 100,000 subscribers on YouTube.

So obviously does a great job. And a lot of people follow what he does. and for good reason. He does really well in researching and putting together the facts of the story. And we're kind of similar in a couple of those ways in trying to put together the details of a story and let you kind of make up your own mind and just kind of reporting what's out there. And I'm glad to be able to bring you back on. He's been on this show before.

I'm sure you remember and I'm sure you're familiar with most of his work. So today we're talking with Patrick Armstrong in Parts 1 and 2. And in this first part, we actually get into a subject that, I've always found extremely fascinating and how it relates to the UAP phenomenon. And that is the aspect of psionics. I mean, ever since speaking with like with Michael Herrera, for example, a few years ago. And really, that was kind of my first foot in the door in the conversation of psionics, having the possibility of people connecting consciously, psychically, to UFOs,

to, you know, alien craft to extraterrestrials themselves and being able to summon these, you know, presumably non-human craft to come down or to approach. And that's something that's been spoken about a lot over the past two or three years, especially. It's always been out there, but it's really picked over the past two or three years. And that's a subject that Patrick and I hit really, really hard here in this first part. And specifically, because he went out and did the work on it. He actually has a new documentary on this subject coming out this year, and you'll hear about it.

It's called psionics, the minds that summon UFOs. And you'll hear at the start here how we actually spoke about this last year and how he was just in the planning stages to get into this production. And it's done. So now that it's done, it's not out yet. But now that it's done, we get to talk about what that production, what that experience was like for him to really go out and study it for himself. to have these real-life experiences in the field to try to connect to otherworldly craft or to extraterrestrial beings. And you'll hear some pretty incredible stories, a couple of sightings that he had, an unexplained

type of physical interaction that he had. So really, really cool stuff here, kind of exclusive from Patrick before his documentary even comes out. So enjoy this part. And then at the end of it, I'll come back and talk about part two and what's to come in that in just a couple of days. now it's part one i love this i love this entire thing i hope you will too uh especially throughout this this part one but the whole thing the entire thing it's fun it's funny it's

entertaining it's um intriguing there's so much to this conversation so enjoy part one right now with myself and patrick from vetted right here on uap well it's a long time coming here to bring back patrick armstrong from vetted friend of the show and just a friend in general patrick Thanks for coming back on here at T-YP. I love having you back on, man. Oh, Stephen, it's so great to be here, man. Honestly, I'm super excited to chat with you, dude. Yeah, no, I appreciate it.

I know there's a lot of back and forth a little bit and to get the schedules kind of cohesive because you've moved. The vetted studios have moved to Spain. So first off, how's the move? How are things going in the new home? Oh, man. It is amazing here.

Madre miya, that's what we've. would say here. Nice. It's amazing. I love to living here. Before we start recording, I showed you where my, the view from my studio here. It's ancient, you know, it's like literally like a 10 square block area of, you know, 200 AD buildings and cathedrals.

They filmed Game of Thrones here. Oh, wow. Nice. I did not know that. I literally look out the window at it. Like it's bedded, we upgraded, baby. We upgraded. Nice.

That's awesome. Yeah, man. I'm loving life over here. Very cool. I love that. And it did look amazing. You were showing me that before we started. It looked amazing.

There's a lot that I want to get to here with you today. And obviously, you know, we can go back and forth on a ton of things. But I wrote down a few things that we can try to talk about here today on UAP because there's just so much going on as we left 2025. And now we're kind of still getting used to 2026. But it feels like we've carried over some of the topics. of the questions that we've been asking for the past few years have carried over now to 2026. And one of those things actually that I'll start with, and it's funny because it is kind of like a full circle moment to have you back on here today. Last time you were on, we spoke about

something you had planned. You were in the planning stages of creating your own documentary based on the study of psionics and how it could be possible that some people are able to psychically connect with UFOs and summon them, call them down, have this type of connection. And I remember talking to you about that thing. You're like, yeah, I'm working on. I'm talking to people. And now you're done. So I get to bring you back on and ask about your new documentary, Cyanics, the minds that summon

UFOs. It's coming out this year. Tell us about it. What should we expect? Do you have an exact date and how can people see it when it comes out? Yeah, man. It's crazy to come full circle on that. and actually have finished it.

Like, I can't believe it. So we're right now, technically, we're in the final stages of post-production. So the film is locked, meaning it's everything we shot, we got it all boomed together. So now what they're doing, it should be ready, really, in a few weeks.

To be honest, color grading, sound design, you know, all the final touches, you know, it's like if you baked a cake and now, you just got to add all the little, you know, touches to it. getting the film locked was a rough was a really long process that took months as well after shooting it so it will come out later this year my guess we don't have an exact date but my guess is we're shooting for summer around May or June oh cool to to release it it might

be available for some in-person screenings before that maybe in March or April but I don't really I don't have any details on that so I'll announce it if that happens but it'll just be available when it comes out like every other documentary we'll have it on Amazon you can rent it on Amazon Apple you know those sorts of things I'm sure a couple other platforms and yeah man I shot it starting at contact in the desert last year 20 2025 so it was end of May beginning of June

I went and shot there and then over the course of the rest of June, July, August, and just a little bit into September, I shot. So I shot for quite a while. I ended up, you know, shot in your neck of the woods in Miami. Oh, cool. I shot part of the film there. I met a father and son, the Oglesbee's.

I shot with them. I shot in Sedona, Arizona. Nice. I shot in Utah. We shot in New Mexico. We shot in Nevada. Wow, you went all over. Yeah, so California as well.

Yeah, I shot a little bit in Spain. Oh, there you go. Actually, in July for a week in Welva, which is a little beach town where Christopher Columbus sailed out of. Dang, okay. Talk about history. Yeah, yeah, that's the city, that's the port city where he sailed out of to head for the Americas. So I shot there. I just thought that would be a cool place to go to, well,

little bit of history to that I was on my own there so trying to summon UFOs on my own from things I had learned yeah right so yeah it was quite an adventure and for about half of that adventure especially all the stuff I did in Arizona and Utah I had Gino from the Y files with me so Gino is AJ's brother nice AJ who hosts the show of the Y files so Gino's his brother and producer on the Y file so he tagged along with me and he's also a the documentary. Oh, cool. So it was cool to get to experience a lot of that with him, you know, not alone because

we were going out to some pretty, you know, secluded areas, you know, out of branches, desert. You know, we went to the Mahdi Desert. Wow. On the Anastasi Trail, you know, sort of prehistoric, like these, you know, ancient glyphs and kind of Native American. sort of energy, just, you know, because I just filmed with different people

who claimed to have that ability, and they all have their own protocols or setups, or, hey, this is how I do it, and this is what I think. And I wanted to get different perspectives. And this film was really just about hanging out with your average everyday person who does this, not some, you know, government insider or this or that

or anything like that. It's just your average everyday person, and most the people I film with nobody's ever heard of which is what I wanted some of that I thought that was kind of cool some of them are kind of known

in some ways so that was also cool and yeah man it was it was an absolute blast I have to admit I thoroughly enjoyed it and I'm so glad I did it and I can't wait to present the film

I can't wait to see it because, you know, one thing that I think we've always agreed on as far as philosophy goes is just have an open mind. Like, let's talk about this stuff. Let's see where it leads. You know, it could be true. It could be not true. But let's at least discuss it. And wherever you land, you land.

And I think that's one of the things that, you know, I appreciated so much about why you were doing this film was you weren't going out there to try to prove anything. You weren't going out there to say, hey, I can summon UFOs with my mind. watch my movie so I can prove it. It was, let's look at this stuff together and see what happens. So what did you learn? I guess without giving obviously too much away that will, you know, spoil anything. But what did you, what do you feel like you learned in the process now that it's all said and done?

You're just getting ready to present it that. Maybe you surprised you and you thought, you know, this time last year or this, you know, this past summer you thought, I don't know what's going to happen. And then you actually ended up finding out some things in that area. Yeah, great question. And look, I don't really know if there is any spoilers because it's exactly what you said. I wasn't going out there to prove it or disprove it. You know, that wasn't my point at all because I'm not some scientist.

This isn't some science, you know, back saying this is, this is like you said, curious mind. I feel almost the journey is more important than the destination. And it was very important to me for something that was deeply interested. in to really go look into it instead of trying to armchair it like I do most things from the safety of my studio. You know, I thought this is this is something we all have, the mine, right? So this is something I can actually go check out. You can tell me about a UFO crash all day long, but I can't go see the UFO. I can't go see the thing, you know.

So this is something I could really go check and test. And that's why I really was attracted to it. And yeah, by going out, I'll say this, I'm more open to the idea than I ever was before. For real, having gone through what I've gone through. Yeah, I was going to say, because I had my own personal experiences. There you go, yeah, because I was going to say, like, what led you there? Like, what led you now to that kind of new openness to the possibility that people can actually summon UFOs with their minds? What happened to you that they brought you there?

Yeah, man, I had, I saw a lot of things in the sky that I couldn't explain. okay, out a different spot. So that definitely happened. Hey guys, so before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary, starting something new, right? It's hard and it is kind of terrifying because you think about all the work that goes into it. Are you going to be able to succeed?

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probably a lot of them were just satellites or something like. those lines. But there was a couple moments that I talk about in the film too. Like that I'm like what the fuck was that? Pardon me. I'm sorry. Pardon my friend? That was my reaction. Like what the, you know, because you know, we're looking

you don't know how much is out there in the night sky so you put on some like military gray night vision goggles in the middle of a no light pollution city. Yeah. Right? Like literally being out in the middle of nowhere. And in Sedona, they don't have light pollution. So we were out there in Sedona.

I met with this guy named John Polk. That's his name. And he works in Sedona as like a UFO tour guy. Okay. He's not, I don't think he's online. He might be. I don't know. But he's just a local guy who you go see and hang out.

And Ron James, the filmmaker, had introduced me to him. Cool. And Ron James is in the film as well. Doing things he's never done before. So he was kind of like good opportunity for some people who've kind of filmed people or sat back to get involved. Yeah. To, you know, let's let's try some of the stuff. So, um, so this one light dude, I'm looking up at the sky and I'm looking at all these stars because you put the night vision goggles on.

You just see so much and you see a lot of things moving. You're just like, whoa, man. What is happening? Wow. This is insane. Stuff you cannot see with the naked eye. But again, I think a lot of things are satellites, which is fine, right, right? But one particular night, I'm looking up and I'm staring at this one thing that's moving.

I'm like, oh, that's interesting because that just did not seem like it was moving like a satellite. You know, fair is fair. You know, like that doesn't seem like that. And then as I'm looking at this thing fly by, there's this one light that's still, like a star. There's a bunch of little stars. They're just still. They're not moving, right? Just you see a lot of that.

that as soon as this one like passes passes it this star that just been sitting there just takes off behind this thing and I'm like what the heck is going on and it just starts booking with it and I never saw that you know at any because we we skywatched a lot and I was blown away by that Gino and I talked about that for a long time I was like what was that thing man that was so interesting while we're while we're out you know putting out the the energy

you know you would like meditate and then kind of put out this energy of invitation right of summoning right like you know and I'm just saying that was pretty strange man and I'm a skeptical guy and I

I don't and I saw a few other things but that was the most amazing thing that I saw and I talk about it in the film I didn't capture it on film that's another thing I learned. It is so hard to capture things in the night sky. Okay?

I am so sympathetic now to UFO videos and people who have experiences and try to capture it on their phone or whatever. Yeah. I get it. I get it now while the video looks like total crap. Because it's so hard. The experience you have in person versus what you try to capture on your phone and then upload it online and be like, look what happened.

And then people are like, that's just a light in the sky. And I've said that myself. Yeah. I get it now. I get it. Like, like, it's important to hear somebody's testimony about what they saw and experience and keep that in context pretty relative to because I guess it's just so hard to film this stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. No, for sure. And it's, I guess that now that you've gone through it and you've done the investigation and you've made, you know, the documentary about it, how do you compare your experiences now to those that you've personally, I guess, investigated from other people? I know you've spoken to Michael Batista, who's, you know, into Cyanics. And, of course, there's people like Chris Bloodsoe who talks about somebody in UFOs all the time. I mean, that's his thing.

Of course, there's Skywatcher. There's Jake Barber. And these are all things that you and I have looked into. These are people that you and I have spoken to on our respective shows. So now that you've been there and you've done, and you've done it, how do you now look at people like that who talk about their experiences? Yeah, again, I'm more open to it now than I ever was before. I definitely think there's some unexplained phenomena that is,

and there may be completely may be a correlation between our consciousness and our mind and some sort of connection, okay? and I'm more open to the idea than I ever was before based on just actually going out there and hanging out with these people and talking with them and trying to figure this out. I think dismissing, you know, it's an individual journey, of course,

but I think dismissing it outright is like, oh, that's nonsense. I wouldn't be so sure. I'm not told on that that's nonsense. I, again, I, you know, and I had a physical, physical experience as well, which blew my mind, like in my body, not forget, you know, seeing something that I couldn't explain. It's like, okay, well, I explain what happened to me.

Really? You know, it's like, yeah, there's, yeah, I'm more open to it now than I ever was before. But with that, with that said, you know, fair is fair. I'm very honest in the film. So there's probably going to be some people pissed off at me. But there's also going to be people, hopefully, that just respect my authenticity. So, you know, I call the duck a duck and a rat a rat. Wait a minute. Hold on.

I think you just broke some news there, Patrick. There's going to be people who are going to be upset at you. That's never happened before. There's never been people upset at you for anything that you've said on any of your videos. This is groundbreaking territory. How are you going to handle people being upset at you? It's never happened to you before. I don't believe it.

I don't know how you've done. I'm going to be with it. Honestly, I don't know. I mean, there's people who just are, there's so many people who are just downright mean to you. I mean, I see it all the time. It's rough, man. How do you deal with that? I don't care. Yeah. Just move on. I just, I did. I worked as a chef in the restaurant industry, you know, you know, I worked as a server, a bartender, manager. You know, that's the hard, those are hard jobs. This is nothing. I got people saying, mean things about me online, I don't care.

You know, it means nothing to me. Yeah, I'm always just honest. That's the easiest way to be in life. Just be yourself and be honest. You may piss some people off, but you're going to piss people off if you try to please everybody to. Yeah, 100%. Right. There's just always people upset.

So it's just easiest for me to just be who I am, say how I feel. And I just leave it at that. I just don't even worry about it, right? I have the love and respect to the people that I care about. And that's all I worry about, you know, in my real life, right? So, but I'm honest in the film, you know, it's, it's, if I felt something was XYZ, I said it. But if I felt something was anomalous, I said it. Like it wasn't, I'm not trying to push any, there's no agenda, there's no pushing.

Right. But I also learn, as much as I'm more open to this idea than ever, I also learned there are some people out there who fake stuff and who try to deceive. you into believing. And in my opinion, why? I think there's a real phenomenon. Why are we faking stuff? Why are we trying to deceive people when there's real things happening? Let's look into the real things.

Why are we trying to add to the haystack here, right? Like for this needle. Like it doesn't make any sense. And to be honest, we want to do a follow-up to our documentary. Right? We've already greenlit a follow-up to this documentary because we believe in it so much, me especially. I believe in this so much. So we're taking it to the next level for the next documentary.

We're going to be talking to scientists, you know, who are looking into it. There are real serious people in this world looking into the power of the mind and consciousness. And I want to show the serious side of it, too. Like, hey, this is a real thing that serious people care about. So, yeah, that's just what. One thing I also learned is that there are deceptive people out there. And it's like, it's just no need for that. No, it's unfortunate.

And you're right. We see it. And unfortunately, sometimes it's, you know, you find out too late. And then that's why there is so much, you know, controversy and discussion when it comes to this topic. You're trying to sift through the, the BS sometimes. But it's interesting. I just wanted to jump back real quick. If you don't mind elaborating on it, what was the physical experience that you had when you were making this?

Yeah, so I went to, I went with Carl Crusher and Gino, Gentile, okay, from the W-Files. Gino, Carl, and I, we went out to the Mojave Desert to the Anastasi Trail, it's called. And Carl's, Carl has some special access, okay, because it's part of like his day job, if you will, he does tours and things, he takes people out. So he has some access that's not public. It's all like private land and stuff. So he took us to some places that people aren't allowed to go. And we got to see all these ancient glyphs and, you know, hieroglyphs and, you know, all kinds. Just so, so interesting things, man. Like they're drawing these alien-like figures on the, I'm just like, what is?

Why would they draw this? It's amazing. If they weren't seeing this stuff, you know what I mean? It's like, I'm just saying getting out there really can, you know, help your belief. Or if you're skeptical about some things, like, just get out there. know, it really can make a difference. So anyway, we're out there, and Carl took up on this, like, cliff side of this little, like, mountain, you know, half mountain, I don't know, you know, whatever.

There's something called the shaman seat. And it's basically this rock that looks like a seat. I mean, quite literally looks like a little seat with no back to it, but just like, you know, this is where two butt cheeks go. Yeah. You know, just to not, I mean, seriously, it was like, oh, that looks like a seat. Okay, like a cushion, right? And it's, it's situated just perfectly where, you know, shamans used to sit there and look,

and there were these two rocks in front of them, like rocks, huge boulder type things that had this little V gap, like vetted, where the sun would come on the sunrise, it would come right through there, and it would just hit you perfectly. Right? Just kind of sitting there. I'm going to hit you perfectly. And right there in front, on the boulders, they had all these glyphs there that they had drawn on and all the stuff. So it was just this place to sit that had allegedly a lot of energy and aura and just, you know, kind of a special spot out of all the places around there to just really take this in. So Carl says, suggest to me, why don't you sit on the rock?

Well, Gino and I will go away. And you just take some time to yourself, right? and just kind of do whatever you want. Yeah. So take it all in. Yeah, take it all in. So I took the stuff that Carl had told me because I'm there with Carl, you know, as far as like how to mentally prepare myself to summon or UFOs, right? And I sat there and I went through my thing and I did everything and I, and I meditated and I just kind of took it all in.

and I open my eyes and I don't see anything in the sky. Right. So I'm just like, oh, man, that didn't work. But while I was sitting there, mind you, this is the middle of the summer. It is hot as heck out there, man. I mean, it was hot. Because this was also in Sedona as well, right? Right there in the middle of.

No, this is in Utah. Oh, it's in Utah. Okay, okay. Yeah, this is in southern Utah. Okay. Just on the very tip of the Mojave desert because it goes all the way from California up to the tip of Utah. So as I'm sitting there, I just feel like I got cool with the sun beating down on me. And I'm from Texas.

I know heat. And I know if you just stop and stand in the heat, it gets really hot. You're like a magnifying glass. But that didn't happen. I started to cool down. And I started to like feel this very relaxing, calming energy. And I'm a nervous ticky guy, you know, used to buy my fingernails a lot. I, you know, I drink a lot of coffee.

I still smoke cigarettes, you know. I'm a very nervous ticky. I pace what I'm on the phone, you know. And I, and I just have this whole calming energy that I cannot explain. And look, I even have fireworks. Yeah, I see that. Okay, happening. I don't know how I did that.

Hold on. Just real quick. If you're not watching the video, I don't know what just happened, but that kind of freaked me out. I'm not going to lie. As you're talking about this, literally as you're talking about this calming energy, it was almost like a supernatural calming energy for you. All of a sudden behind you on our screen here, and for full disclosure, we're on Streamyard recording this. all of a sudden the fire your room went dark and fireworks came up

behind you it was like this graphic where these fireworks just what what just happened you didn't press anything I'm looking at you I didn't press anything the hell was that what just happened

that's so weird some sort of reactions or something on my thing but I don't know but that freaked me out too okay I'm not gonna lie and let me just add this too because I don't know what that was every interview

ever done on UAP. Every single one, with the exception I think of like two that I've done with James Fox, those were on Zoom. Every single one outside of those have been on Streamyard. And what just happened right now with you has never happened in any interview I've ever done on UAP over the past four and a half years. I don't know what that was just now. Where did those fireworks come from as you're talking about this dude?

That's so freaky. And there could be a very obvious explanation, but that was so weird. it's just there's like reactions I can see it here on my my my from the camera from my Apple yeah it's it's got to have something to do with with stream yard reactions but it was just such weird timing though anyway the timing was was

insane I agree I was like well what the heck's happening right like that's funny that's how I felt I felt like fireworks going on I felt like Katie Perry yeah when I was out there on the shaman seat you know Shopify is the commerce podcast platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand?

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I'm just saying it just felt something in me that I've never felt. And I just can't explain it. And it stuck with me. It definitely affected me. And now I can understand and sort of relate to someone when they say they have some sort of an experience that can't really explain. And it's kind of hard to put into words.

I can relate to that now more than ever. It's really hard for me to, you know, explain even to you and even in the film when it happens, like how, like what's happening? You know, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what I'm trying to put into where I'm trying to explain what's happening. But something happened to me sitting there. And it was a positive thing. Yeah. You know, I want to make that clear too. Like it was a positive thing.

I felt rejuvenated. I felt in the. the sun like it doesn't make sense you know considering i should have gotten way hotter and i should have been you know i was dehydrated like i felt hydrated i mean it was just like it this doesn't make any sense like all while sitting in the shaman seat and it kind of just like i guess that's why people sit there like it is this sort of fountain of youths you know i don't know it was it was just strange man it's interesting and i still can't i can't explain it and it's something that's stuck with me since the filming and actually we talk about the documentary too Carl was filming

on his camera and um he uploaded to his YouTube part of that journey that that we did now I filmed on a different camera and we cut it differently and all of this but he had some sort of 360 camera and all of that footage got like all jacked up just in that moment and never happened anywhere else wow um I find that unusual um as well Yeah, I mean, it sounds like, and I'll get your take on it, obviously, because you're the one who experienced it. Do you feel like it was a natural type of, like, there's something with that spot. That's why, you know, the natives chose that spot. They understood that there was some type of natural or supernatural energy associated with that spot on the earth for whatever reason.

It may have something to do with magnetism or laylines. I don't know. or do you was it something other than that was do you feel like you were you were getting an answer to what you were searching from some type of you know higher intelligence and that was like a signal to you so to speak

yeah you know that's a really good question and nobody asked me that question oh good that's a that's a great question thank you um gino never asked me that yeah good job i uh i i you know know I don't know man hard to tell that's a great question I just I hadn't thought about that I just was like I went to do something something happened I'm connecting those things you know so clearly you know people from a long time ago sat there for a reason yeah right right because that they just it was this special place it but wasn't like it wasn't something Carl set up this is like you know the ancient place that they called the to just shaman seat for reasons. Shaman's used to sit there. Is it just because, you know, it is just a natural spot to go and there is some sort of

extra energy there? Or did I open up to something? Because I did try to call out, right? I did try to summon. Could it be a mixture of both, you know, as well? I don't know, man. It's definitely a special spot. And that's unusual because we went to some other special spots and nothing happened.

Okay. Right. You know, I got taken to the Bradshaw Ranch, which is considered, well, the people there in Stadona will tell you Bradshaw is more, more paranormal than Skinwalker. Okay. Okay. That's what they say about Bradshaw Ranch. And, you know, one guy there was like, oh, stand on this rock. There's like a, it's like another dimension.

You know, there's like a whole other energy dimension. I stood on the rock. I was like, I don't, I don't feel anything. You know what I mean? So I don't know. You know, but that place and that shaman seat, it's interesting. Something's going on there, man.

Is that open to the public or is that one of those places? I was like private access that Carl was able to take you on to. Yeah, yeah, it's not open to the public. Interesting. Who wants the land? Do you know, like, is it just because it's Native American land and it's, like, restricted? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, it's restricted. I don't know who owns it. I think it's a partnership, meaning there is a private owner, but they work with the state. Right. Right. Because it is protected land. Right.

So it's kind of like a, that happens a lot in America. Actually, you find out you go to some of these places. It's private land, but also, you know, with the okay of the government and that. Yeah, because you're talking about, right, Native American, you know, land and and artifacts and, you know, all these things because there was also stuff in the ground you had to be real careful where he stepped well not to step on like any old things you know that you might break apart or or whatever and here i am tumbling around with the camera and all the stuff trying to like you know what i mean watch my step at the same time it's just like okay this is like i was like inspector so out there

it's an adventure in itself yeah we were the three stooges out there uh yeah but But, you know, I don't know, man. That spot is just really interesting. Did you, did you have any attachments or anything after that? Were there any after effects that you felt? Or did it just, you left it there and then you moved on to the next thing? Just real quick. That's a great question, too.

Yeah, no, no, no, that's a great question. No, no hitchhiker effect, if you will. Right. I didn't have any sense of that. Only I had a hitchhiker memory. Okay. Meaning I couldn't get that thought out of my head. I couldn't get that that I had that experience out of my head.

You know, just like going to a great concert, you know. Yeah, right. Right. You're just like, oh, man, that was so cool. Like, so I had that. Like, it affected me so much that I thought, I'm still thinking about it. I still think about it. Well, I can't wait to see the finished product.

I just love that topic. So I apologize, maybe we went a little bit long on that. But I think it's just so fascinating. It's just so much that we can dig into on consciousness and psionics and how it all might connect. So awesome job ahead of time. I'm sure it's going to be great. I can't wait to see it, man. Yeah, absolutely. Kind of in the same vein

and the same topic, there seems to be, and I'm sure you've noticed it as well, there seems to be an uptick in UFO films out of Hollywood. And not to say that Dan Farrow, when I bring up Dan Farrah and the age of disclosure, it's not necessarily Hollywood. That's also

documentary style. But we have that. We have now Disclosure Day, Stephen Spielberg's new film that's going to come out later on this year. And there's also news that just kind of came out within the past few days that there's a new Roswell movie. It's a historical piece being made by, I believe, 20th century Fox. It may not have that right.

And that's, you know, it's going to be based off of, you know, 1940s Roswell. So there seems to be now like this new uptick. And we've seen these before in the past. There's been, you know, there was the hot genre. And it seems to be happening again. Why do you think that is? and this is more conspiratorial, but do you think it's just because they see there's money there,

Hollywood? They're like, hey, people are interested in this. Let's strike while the iron's hot. Or is there some type of like, hey, let's put more of this out so we can kind of get people used to the idea? Or is it a little bit of both? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, that, you know,

there's also real quick, David Grush is a consultant on a movie coming out directed by Joseph Kaczynski. Right, yes. We did Top Gun Maverick and F1. Yeah. Right. Like an all president's men style, you know, coverups, which is going to be amazing.

Yeah, so that's another one. That's right. Yeah, that's another one to add. And they're rebooting the X-Files. Ryan Coogler from Black Panther and Creed. Yeah, you know, MK Ultra, the guy from the Sopranos is making MK Ultra series for HBO. Yeah, I don't, you know, they've. said that a lot. I've heard that before,

going back a long time, not just now, right? That there's sort of a soft disclosure through Hollywood. But you know, I worked as an actor in my 20s and worked on a couple a few big, really big movie sets, you know, like

Im Night Shyamalan and stuff. Like, it's, if you know how Hollywood movies are made, I don't see they're having any soft disclosure, man, me personally. Yeah. Now, could it be that the writers or who put these things together, they do go to the sources of communities and, you know, the zeitgeist and pull things. So could something end up in a movie that's kind of true from the lore or whatever? That's possible, right?

Right. That is possible because the writer's going to do research. Right. Right. And he's going to find things. So, but do I think it's some coordinated thing? I personally don't. But, you know, at the end of the day, what do I know?

You know, I don't know entirely. But, you know, and they're putting out alien UFO movies is, it's a genre. It's like horror movies. Sure. It's a genre. Yeah, exactly. So if they put out a ghost movie, it doesn't mean like they're trying to soft disclosure ghosts. It's fair.

In my opinion. No, it's fair. But it does show that that topic is the reason. You know, if Hollywood's putting out stuff like that, it's because there's a desire for it. Correct. Yeah. Meaning they know there's money to be made there. And because people are interested in the topic now more than ever.

So that's what I think is the cool thing about it, is that people are more and more interested in UFOs and UAP, and more open to talking about it, way less stigma than there used to be. It's kind of cool and retro to talk about. Like it's, you know, I find that in my just regular life now. People are very, like, they don't look around and like, you have, like, they're okay. Yeah, I saw UFO.

I know a guy who saw it. They don't mind. And then someone else speaks up. And even where I am in Spain, people talk about it, right? There's a whole, there's a whole world out there of different languages and cultures and countries talking about this stuff too. It's, you know, it's not just, just this American thing or English speaking thing. And that's cool. So I just think there's a thirst for it now more than ever, which is.

I think awesome. Yeah, and I think that's a great point. I think you hit the nail on the head, honestly, when it comes to just the psychiatry behind it, right? Where people are, they want to consume this stuff. And we see that. I mean, just at our own audiences, right? I mean, people can listen to my show, people come and watch your show because they're interested in the topic. And you're right, too, about the international aspect. And I'm sure we both had people reach out to us from across the world. I mean, I got messages, I'm sure, just like you, from Scotland, from Spain, from Germany from Australia and Canada, Mexico, and it's amazing to see. And it's an important reminder.

I bring that up because I think that was an important reminder you mentioned that. I think sometimes we kind of get caught up in just the Americanized version of the UFO topic. And it truly is multinational, international, it might be the most international topic out there. Maybe along with a couple of other things. This is something that people experience throughout the world, right? I think you're right. I think you're right, man. That's a great point.

Yeah, because you don't, it breaks, it breaks language. It breaks through language. It breaks through culture. It breaks through. These are, it's like love, right? It's a universal topic that anyone can understand. Yeah. Strange things, you know, happening in the sky or around you that you can't explain.

It goes back millennia. Right. Right. And it breaks culture. It breaks through the class system. It doesn't matter how rich, poor you are, what race you are, what ethnicity. It doesn't care if you paid your water bill or not. Right. Right. You know what I mean? This topic affects us all. Yeah, I think you're right. It's this universal thing. I mean, bed it is translated into French, Italian, German, we're doing Portuguese. We're doing Russian, Japanese. We're doing Russian, Japanese. Like it's in all kinds of language. We got channels for each one of them, you know. That's awesome. Because it's a, like you said, it's a universal, it's a universal thing. Yeah.

It's one of the few, which, you're right. I agree. You know, it really speaks to that type of, the sense of what it really is deep down. And that's where we are going to end part one here today on UAP with myself, and Patrick Armstrong, from Vetted. Coming back up in point. Part 2. Looking forward to getting that out to you in just a couple of days, actually. We go into more kind of like the, I guess you can say the fine detail or some of the other topics out there right now in the UFO community.

We talk a little bit about Vargina actually with James Fox in the Virginia case. Of course, we've seen what has gone on there this past week. He was in Washington, D.C. with his witnesses and, you know, people talking about what happened there, what they've heard, what they've reported. And that was a big deal this week. So we get into about that case specifically in some of the aspects there that we still find so incredibly compelling 30 years later. So we talk about that in part two, along with some of the more ancient aspects of the UFO topic. And that's another aspect of this that I absolutely love to explore. How do some of the ancient happenings relate to the UAP phenomenons, specifically Egypt?

the possibilities of Atlantis. So we get into those things and how it might all connect. And that's something that actually Patrick talks about that. He's going to be focusing more on. So we talk about some of those stories and kind of dig into that a little bit, which again is a subject that I love. So that's going to be a part two. And we also get into some of the more controversial side.

And that meaning the nasty side of the UAP topic on social media specifically. the doxing, the calling out, the threats. And Patrick has gone through some of that. And again, it's controversial because of some of the names that are, you know, that come up in this, that are purported. And, you know, who may or may not be involved as an intentional, is an unintentional. And so, you know, we're not afraid to kind of enter into those waters to at least have the discussion and throw some of those things out there. And I think it's not done in a negative way. It's not done in an intentionally controversial way to, you know, upset.

one camp or the other, but it's that exact conversation, which is why are there certain camps to begin with? Don't we all want the same thing? We all want the same end goal. How did this become one side against the other? So we get into that part of the conversation, which is a kind of an evolving subtopic of the UFO conversation now, not only the phenomenon of it and the stories and trying to figure things out, but also how it's become, in some cases, a little clicky. You have these, you know, different camps that people are in. Oh, well, I believe this person or I believe that person. And if you don't believe that, then you're against us and we're going to go after you. And so it's gotten ugly in some cases for people. And so Patrick and I kind of dive into that

as well in part two, because it is an important thing to touch on, I thought, to kind of just put out there and say, let's cool down a little bit, right? And again, we all want the same thing. So that's all coming up in part two, and hopefully you enjoy that. And hopefully you enjoyed this part as well, especially toward the end there, too, where we talked about, you know, how much does Hollywood play into this? And I think it is a question worth asking. And it is a question that a lot of us do wonder, you know, is Hollywood, has Hollywood been used over the decades to push a soft disclosure narrative, to kind of get us used to the idea of extraterrestrial life. Again, a question worth asking, I think, because there's so much of it out there over the past, I would say, 50 years.

You could even go back further. You know, like the day the Earth stood still. So you can go back like 70 years and War of the Worlds. You can go back 70, 80 years in some cases. But, you know, is that the case? Is it half and half? Was it what Patrick is saying is that, you know, it's just, it's a popular genre. It's a genre like anything else.

And it's something that people like to consume. So just an interesting topic to discuss and consider, you know, is there something more than just people like to see this stuff? So we're going to keep making it. I don't know. It's, again, it's worth asking. There might be nothing to it, but I thought it was at least worth bringing up because it is a topic that does come up. But again, hope you enjoyed this one. Can't wait to get part two out to you this week.

And then stick around for so much more here on UAP. In the meantime, continue to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts on all the major platforms. just search it, UAP, you'll find it, and follow on social media at UAP Podcast 850. You can find me there on social media, especially Twitter. I do a lot there. And then on email, if you want to send me direct messages through social media, do that, or through email, S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at gmail.com. It's S-Dieneru-U-A-P at gmail.

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