UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 183 Exploring the Ancient Alien Theory and Other Mysteries with "Vetted"

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

Stephen Diener welcomes back Patrick from the Vetted podcast for part 2 of their conversation as they discuss some of the most mysterious alien cases of all time. Including Varginha, Atlantis, Magenta, and Nazca. Plus, the recent controversies that have led to doxing and harassment for Patrick and others in the community. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and we are going to wrap things up today with Patrick Armstrong from Vetted, have the conclusion of our conversation together, and what a fun time it was if you heard part one already. Hopefully you enjoyed that. I always love talking to Patrick because he's just such a down-to-earth, you know, easy to talk to guys, just inquisitive, you know, his questions like the rest of us, like me.

So it's always cool to kind of connect and go back and forth just on the topics of what's going on in the UFO community. And that's what we do here to finish off the conversation for part two. We actually, we jump right into it here to start off the episode because we pick up right where we left off at the end of episode one. as we went into really the big existential question that we all face with the UFO phenomenon, which is what the heck is it? Like, you know, what is the cover up? Who's covering it up? Who's involved?

How far does this go? So we kind of like start off, you know, with a sprint here for this episode with myself and Patrick. And then from there, we don't really slow down. We get into the ancient alien question. We get into Atlantis. we get into the NASCAR mummies. You know, what are the validity of those things? So there's a lot being said back and forth lately about what those could be.

Is it actually, is it a hoax? Or an alternative theory that Patrick brings up that I had actually, I hadn't heard before, which is if it's not a hoax and these mummies are actually, you know, encased aliens, if you will, then what if they're still alive somewhere else? and that's, I guess, a theory that has been brought up by some. So we go into that, I was like, wow, I didn't even think of that one. That kind of was an alternate road. I didn't see that going down as far as those NASCAR mummies.

What if there's still some of those aliens out there if they are real? And we talk about some famous cases too, like Varginia, of course. There's a lot of news going on about that right now after James Fox's press conference at the National Press Club in D.C., which I wish I was able to attend. just real quick, I'll say that. I would have loved to be there for that live press club presentation with James Fox and the Virginia witnesses, but it happened to be on my daughter's birthday. So I couldn't miss that.

So if you were wondering why at all, if you didn't see anything from me from James Fox's press conference there in D.C. This past week, over the past few days, it's because I didn't go because it was my daughter's birthday. So quite frankly, that's more important in my life, as it should be for all of us. So that's what's going on there. But I was very much paying attention to it. And it was an important press conference. So Patrick and I get into the Varginia story itself, as well as other cases that might relate to it, like the Magenta case from 1933, pre-Roswell. Not brought up a lot, but a lot of questions with that one. So we cover a lot of ground, which was a lot of fun,

and I think you're going to enjoy it. We do get a little bit more serious at one point. And I think you'll know what I'm talking about when we, maybe even a little bit more controversial side, but I try to cover all the bases here on UAP, and I think you know that. And we get into the, I guess the drama that goes on within the UFO community, whereas some people are on, you know,

one person's side, I've spoken about it before, we talked about it a little bit at the end of episode one. You know, I'm on this person's side, I'm not going to talk to you, or I think you're bad, or I'm going to docks you, or I'm going to threaten you.

And Patrick has gone through those things. So I ask him just personally, you know, what has it been like for you? What do you think is going on? Why do you think it's happening? So cover a little bit of everything here in this part two. And like I said, I think you'll enjoy it. And I think you'll find it really, really interesting from all the different angles that we hit here on UAP.

So with all that said, here we go, myself, Patrick, from Vetted right now on UAP to finish off our conversation. Enjoy. Obviously something's going on. Obviously something's happening. We ask the questions, what is it, what could it be? And we also have to ask the question, if it is happening and if stuff has been caught by stuff, I mean craft, biologics, or, you know, any type of bodies intentionally or unintentionally, reverse engineer technology, all these things that we talk about and investigate. If it's actually happening and people are experiencing things, who's covering it up? And I ask that, Patrick, because there's, you know, there's been a lot of talk lately about how deep this,

This goes, right? Throughout the government, it goes through Department of Energy. It goes through contractors. It goes through this, this and that. And there's steps to this who might know about it, whether it was, you know, Dick Cheney, whether it was or, you know, different people now that have kind of, they had the torch pass to them. There's a lot of discussion about that right now. So I ask kind of your view on it. How deep do you think this does go?

And why do you think the cover up continues? Wow. That is. That's a huge question. question. Just, you know, a little morsel for us to talk about. That's all the secret of the universe. Right, yeah.

It's a little sidebar conversation. Yeah. You know, that's the great, I mean, I think that's the question that plagues us all at night lying under our pillows, right? You look into this a lot. Is that question that dope, that two-parter there you just at? Like, I agree. Who's behind it and how deep does it go? I don't know.

I'm more confused now than I ever was before because, you know, it's like you start looking into it and you realize, oh man, this, this, this, this well goes deep. Yeah. This goes really deep. And it's, it's, it's, it's, there's a lot of moving parts that you just didn't know exist. It's just, it's the, you know, not to sound cliche, but it's like. Like you only see the tip of the iceberg. Right. You know, most people only see the tip of the iceberg.

And if you submerge yourself and you see, oh, my God, this iceberg is massive. Right. Now, you know, is it on purpose, right? To, oh, well, let's just make this as confusing as possible. So you can't get to the truth. I wouldn't discount that. If I'm being honest, as much as I've looked into it, just like you have, right? Like, I think there's something going on, some sort of cover up of something, a craft or a body.

I just, me personally, I don't think it's in the quantity that people say it is. I really feel there's probably one true story and one true thing. And they've created all these other fake ones to sort of hide the real one. Have like a big smokescreen. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you hear about all these crashes. and there was this.

And I don't, I personally think there's just one, but which one. I don't know, right? Is it Roswell? Roswell's still interesting. Yeah.

Roswell, and it kind of gets lost because it's like, oh, that's the typical one. It's cliche. It's Ross. Yeah, yeah.

But hang on a second. There's just a lot of moving parts to that case that are very compelling still and it's very easy to dismiss because it became so popularized. But I don't know, man. I think there's something, is that the one?

I don't know, man. I think it almost seems like it's made to be confusing so that you either give up or you don't know where to look. It's a house of mirrors. You don't know what the real image is, but there's only one real image creating all the reflections, right?

And it's trying to find it's the, I don't know if you've seen Tango and Cash, but it's one of my favorite movies in the 90s, at the very end, when they catch Jack Palance, right? In the mirrors, right? He's like, you've got to find the right one, the real one. Who's the real Jack Palance? I don't know. But that's what I think. I think it's something along those lines. I could be wrong. No, it's, look, it's as good a theory as any, honestly. And it's, I, yeah. No, and I think you, you paint, you know, a good picture. It made me think of

Bruce Lee and enter the dragon where he's got all the mirrors around them. You know, it's like, exactly. Who's who, what's what? Exactly. And it could absolutely be that. And it could be a mix of that, right? It could be a mix of all these different things that we talk about. And actually, I'll go one even further back. I want to get your, I've never heard you talk about it. So I'm curious to see, and maybe you haven't, I dismissed it. But I'm curious, what is your take on the Magenta case?

Because I find that case really, really captivating. And that's going, you know, pre-Roswell. We're talking 1933. We're talking Mussolini. And you're in Europe now, so you have a little, maybe a bit of a better feel of the history there. we're talking the Vatican supposedly being involved with this along with the United States, this case that David Grush has spoken about, and he speaks that there's truth to this case of this UFO crash in Magenta, Italy in 1933. What's been your take on that over the years?

Yeah, you know, that's a good point. That's definitely an interesting case. And it's really a lot of it's based on this, this like telegram or something along those lines, this message that was sent. where they talk about an unknown craft and sort of hiding it and, you know, essentially that, this unknown crap. Those are the real, those are the translated words that are used, right? So could there be something like that? Yeah, absolutely.

I, you know, I don't know if anyone's truly looked into that in a really deep, you know, James Fox moment of contact sort of way, right? So, you know, maybe someone needs to do that or maybe I need to do that. I don't know. But I agree. It is a compelling case. And again, the real case could be outside of America. And I, you know, that that to me is absolutely legitimate. You know, is that a real one? You know, speaking earlier about how it's this worldly thing, right? This global thing. So yeah, I agree. That's that's, and it has a lot of interesting parts, Baticad, Mussolini, you know, this is post-World War I, pre-World War II. It's in this interesting era.

Yeah, I agree. It's an interesting case. Yeah. And actually, you kind of created a nice little segue there where we talk about James Fox's been kind of hot and heavy. And I actually had him on here not too long ago to talk about it is his Virginia case. And, you know, it's been brought back up because he came out with a, I guess you can call it a part two, you know, for lack of a better term.

And now, you know, he's talking to the doctors or Washington, D.C., they're at the National Press Club. and everyone's paying attention to it. What is your take on that case specifically? It just, to me, and I'll set it up this way, it seems like there's a lot of there, to kind of use like, you know, a cliche term, where you have these doctors who are giving these testimonies.

They're saying that they worked on the alien, that they looked into its eyes, that it was this most amazing moment ever, was like looking at it angels, what one of the, you know, the doctor who was there in the room. There just seems to be a lot of biological, testimony that is hard to ignore when it comes to Varsinia.

What's your take on all the recent revelations, if you will, when it comes to the Varsinia case? Yeah, absolutely. Great, great question. It's called Moment of Contact, New Revelations of Alien Experience or something, right? Yeah. I watched it. I rented it. I recommend people watch the film. Even if you've seen the first moment of

contact. It does rehash some of that, which rightfully so, it kind of brings you up to speed. Right. But it does have a lot of new stuff in it. And James just always puts together a good production, you know, so you'll always be at least entertained. For sure. Yeah, I bet it started because of a moment of contact. It was an interview I had with James Fox. Moment of contact in the Vahenia case really brought me in to the UFO, that case in particular. Because I was blown away by that case. And so, yeah. Yeah, it's one of those cases that there's so many parts to it if you're like, well, but what about this part? It seems kind of fishy to me.

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It's just I'm just pointing out things that are interesting. You have this neurosurgeon who changed his story. I want to know why he changed his story. They said he, you know, first he initially, this neurosurgeon who, who claims to have seen the being with his own eyes in the hospital where he works. Originally, he said he just saw a video of it from his friend and then changes his story. And he changed his story in such a weird way, too. He changed the story in the moment. they went to film with him to talk about the video he had saw.

And instead of him talking about the video, he just went into, I saw the being here. And I saw, and James was like, wait, what? What's happening? I don't, I thought, I thought you just saw a video, you know. So I'm just like, well, why did you do that? Yeah. Why would he change his story? But again, even if removed the neurosurgery, what about the military?

What about that guy who saw the crap down in the field? What about the girls and the mom and the getting visited by those people who, who told them to stay quiet, you know, what about all these? Like, it's just the air traffic controller who, the United States Air Force came in. Right. And then, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's so many moving parts.

So many moving parts, yeah. Take away one part. You don't believe one part. And I'm still skeptical that neurosurgeon. And I know people don't like me saying that, but, you know, it is what it is. Yeah. I'm still compelled by the case as a whole.

Sure. I want that to be clear. I'm something happens. Something happened in January of 1996, dude. Yeah. That is unexplainable. Involved the whole town. Involved different levels of government, the military, the U.S. military.

Uh, what happened? I mean, they're talking to farmers. They're talking to just your average everyday people who were saying they saw things. I don't think those people are lying. Right. And they didn't change their story. Right. Right.

You know, you know. you know and yeah you've got also these claims of the actual beings and the and right these these alien beings and i agree man i think it's a compelling case yeah i think it's probably i think you mentioned top three it might be one or two honestly and it just in just in my book sure because there's so many like yeah i mean because like you said there's so many moving parts and there's so many from from different segments of society right you had the military you have the surgeons you have just regular old people who are walking by and seeing an alien who are saying that they saw these things,

they've seen, you know, a crash on a craft on the ground, you have an unexplained death of a Brazilian soldier. You know, I mean, they say that happened because he came into contact with the being. And there's just so much that goes into it.

And I think you make a good point in saying that something happened because there wouldn't be all this hoopla and all this, you know, excitement from Brazilian military and U.S. military. if nothing was going on. Why were they so involved in all this? If it's just, you know, say maybe a military experiment gone wrong other than, it's, it's something happened.

Somebody saw something. So we'll see if, you know, what else comes of, comes of that case. But man, it's, it's just one of those questions that that continues to linger. Yeah. Outside of that, though, there's, there's more talk to about, you know, where are some of these crash sites? where are some of these things being kept? There's new talk about something in like an East Coast Navy

facility. Have you seen this? I mean, what do you make of this? That possibly there is a craft that's being kept at an East Coast Navy facility. Is this from the UAP GERB, Jesse Michaels interview? Is that coming out? Yeah, a lot of that's being made from GERB and Jesse Michaels where I guess

GERB spoke about that with Jesse Michaels that, you know, he thinks that's where one craft might be. Sure. I mean, how can we talk about it like if it's, if that's actually the truth. It's classified and that's really what we have a UFO. We just throw it on a podcast on YouTube and that's okay. That just doesn't make sense to me. And I, you know, that's that's a red flag. It makes me think, well, that's the last spot it is. You know, if they actually have it, like, that's the last spot it actually is. Just because, you know, the Justice Department in America just imprisoned someone for leaking details about the Maduro Venezuela operation that happened. Yeah. They take leaking of classified information very seriously. And if that's true, what GERB is saying to Jesse Michaels, he'd be in jail. That would be classified information to reveal that there's a UFO there at that particular base, because he,

names the base. It's not like he says, I think there's something in the Northeast. He names exactly word and he names a lot of different things. That's what I find so confusing about people revealing classified information. Because that's what they're doing when they say these things. They're saying, if it's true, that would be classified. You can't just say those things. So it makes me believe that stuff less, to be honest with you. Yeah, it's, it's a interesting conundrum, I guess, because, you know, we can. But it was a great. conversation. I want to make sure that that's clear. I thoroughly enjoyed listening. Clearly, Gerb is a smart guy. Oh, yeah. Who's done a lot of research and a lot of work. I get a lot of

flack. Like, you must hate Gerb. I don't hate the guy. I'm just saying my opinion, but I respect the guy, and I know he's put in a lot of work. And I'm just asking questions. And I, of course, I admire Jesse Michaels and the work that he puts to this community. And he's of the same mindset that we are just let's have the conversations with people and talk about this and and and see where we get. Yeah. And I think and just to that too, right. I mean, you know, I'm not for tearing anyone down. It's just, yeah, just just like you said as far as, hey, this is my opinion on the conversation. Obviously, they put it out there so people can discuss what might be, you know, the case. Maybe there's something that maybe Gerb has told something that wasn't true. And he just doesn't know that it's not true.

I mean, that that could be a case or maybe it's, hey, someone told him, yeah, you can say this. I mean, that's possible. We don't know. But at the same time, and I actually did meet him at the last hearing in D.C. Great guy. I mean, awesome guy. Sure. Super down to earth.

Just really inquisitive and wants to get to the answers like us. So it's just, you know, obviously we have to ask the questions. Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. And I think that's fair. There's something that a lot of people ask questions. about when it comes to the NASCAR mummies.

I know you looked into this a little bit recently, too. There is talk that that might not be a thing. Some recent research that's come out. Are those human body parts in the NASCAR mummies? What are you hearing about this? And what are your thoughts on what's going on there recently that? Maybe they've been debunked? I don't know.

Yeah. Oh, man. I'll be honest. I, you know, I'm my mom's Mexican. I'm half Mexican. Okay. I grew up going to Mexico as a child. My brother was born in Mexico.

Like, I was almost born there, but because of some of the issues of getting paperwork for my brother. My parents were like, no, let's have Patrick in the States. But so I'm very familiar with, first of all, Jaime Moussons' reputation going back decades. Okay. And I'm very familiar with bodies like this being put together, manipulated. This is not a new thing. This is something that goes back to when I was a kid. I saw these things on TV and they talked about it.

So this isn't some new thing. So I always thought it was BS when it happened, especially when I knew who was coming from. But what I'm, what the, what, but I wanted to look into it. So I spent four months putting together a video. I interviewed all these doctors from Peru. Mexican biologists from Jesse Michael's documentary, right? All the people connected to the thing. So I did my research and I did interviews and I, you know,

did my due diligence just to make sure, because maybe there's something to it. But what I learned about doing it is that they claim, what I find most interesting is that they claim that these tridactals are still alive. And that they're actually alive in these Peruvian caves, living as a civilization. So my whole thing is, why are we arguing about if these mummies are real or not?

Let's go investigate these live ones. Why that would be the whole smoking gun right there if you could provide a live tridactal Yeah, right? Instead of trying to prove these things because some of them look ridiculous. Right. And I think the biggest, you know, I'm not a doctor. So I can't really determine if these are real or not or but this like I don't know. I'm not a scientist.

I'm not a doctor. But what I find interesting is that if you try to ask questions or speak up about it, you get annihilated. Yeah. and you know by the NASCA lovers and fanatics that think it's real so my whole thing is hey if you want people to look into this truly and to be interested in it you've got to let people ask questions and you even have to let people be skeptical about it and even if they say they don't think it's real even if you have doctors coming out let them say it what if it's the truth the truth doesn't care about feelings so if you really believe in your investigation of the NASCAR mummies or you really think they're real and that then the truth will come out that they're real so there's no need to you know demean people or threaten people or harass people who don't think it's real so i mean i just want the truth about the mummies yeah right i don't make a determination beforehand and then now i'm going to do everything i can to get to that truth

that i want if they're real they're real if they're not then they're not why again why waste time with things that aren't but you know i hope they do a thorough investigation and release all the findings and yada yada so you know that's where i sit with it there's something i want to get to kind of what you mentioned about you know like different um communities that get behind a story get behind a person but i did i want to ask you about that but first two things real quick number one um of course i'm going way over my plan time do you have like another 30 minutes is that okay well i mean i told you steven as long as you need perfect i'm here because i've already like hit the mark i'm like

Like, oh, you know, probably go for like 45 minutes an hour. It's been an hour, and I feel like I've only scratched the surface. So if we can go a little bit longer, that's perfect. I'm grabbing a Red Bull. Oh, good. Okay. It's that time. Okay, I got, look, I got wings now.

Okay, so let's go, baby. It's that type of interview. Perfect. I love it, man. Yeah. Just for the record, for this interview, Patrick has a Red Bowl and a cup of coffee for this conversation. And a cigarette. So let's, let's just.

And a cigarette. I've had, all I need is, I don't know, I can't say it on this interview. But just to jump back real quick before I move forward on the other topic, because I wanted to ask and I forgot it. And it just popped back in my head on Virginia. Would you be more surprised? Like, let's say the case is solved. It's either, okay, we can explain X, Y, and Z, and none of it is aliens. Or it comes down and says, okay, this actually wants.

was aliens and this is this is the story that that proves the whole phenomenon. Would you be more surprised with that scenario to come out and find out that it's all true or if they come out and said this is actually explainable 100%. That's an interesting question. That's a good question. With Varginia, right? That's what you're asking for Barhina. Hmm.

I would be, I would still be surprised if they said it was alien. Yeah. Just because I've never seen an alien. I don't, you know, I mean, that would be like, oh, wow, even if I think it's real once something becomes real, that's still surprising to me. So I would be most surprised. I have to be honest, I'd still be suspicious if they were like, this was just a regular thing, you know, I would actually be suspicious about that. Now, I'd be surprised. I'm looking for that moment to happen, right?

So I'm going to be blown away when it's like, oh, my God, this is, like, I'm probably going to need to say. it down for a few days after that happens. You're right. Just take it all in. Like, oh my God. I do. I agree with you. Even for, you know, I've said people like us, not like I put us on a pedestal or anything, but I mean like people like us when I say that we're in this, right? We investigate. We have conversations about it. It's what we do.

And if we did have that moment of like, holy moly, this is actually happening, it would still be kind of like an ontological shock moment for us, I think. Because now we're seeing it. Right? Now it's in front of our face. like, oh, I believed it, but now I actually see it. And it's like that moment of realization. Hey, guys, so before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary.

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Go to Shopify.com slash UAP. That's shopify.com slash UAP. Kind of getting back to the, to the, you know, how people can get behind something and it almost becomes an unhealthy obsession on some of these topics. There's a lot that goes on in the UFO community, especially on social media, where I've noticed it can become cannibalistic.

And I think, and I know you've experienced this, that's why I want to bring it up to you, it becomes almost clicky. And we get lost, just my observation, we kind of get lost in the discussion of, I think this guy is right. I think you're a disinformation agent, and we stop seeing the bigger picture, which is, don't we all want the same thing?

We kind of, I think so. Like, we all just want to find out what the truth is behind all this. So how have you experienced that? Because I know it's gotten pretty ugly for you. There have been people who have doxed you. There have been people who have, you know, said some pretty nasty things to you. So how do you experience this kind of like, I guess, the toxic side, if you will, of the UFO community? Yeah, absolutely.

And that's something that just people don't, would never know if you just, you know, regular person, you watch documentaries on Netflix, you know, and you watch a YouTube video here and there, right? You just not involved in the minutia of the community. Really wouldn't even know that this exists. But, yeah, there's this sort of tribal, like you said, I believe this person. So now they go on a pedestal and everything they do is perfect. It's like, well, wait a second, right?

like the people that talk about UFOs became the UFO in the sense that they became the the the prize and and like you said that's not the prize the prize the price is the truth about what this whole phenomena is and what's going on and that's what and and like you said like don't we all want to know what that is forget who's talking about it yeah right that that doesn't mean anything to me um we can respect people who've done work and research and are coming out and telling stories. Okay, no problem. But at the end of the day, that's not the point. It's to find out what the truth is about this phenomenon. There have been people that take it to another level of tribalism and, like you said, threatening, doxing, harassing people who have questions about this. I mean,

if the UFO community can't withstand questions within the community about stories or experiences, how do you expect the stigma to go away when the UFO community has a stigma? Yeah. Right? When, within the UFO community, there is a stigma to not ask questions. But then also the UFO community is complaining, well, there's a stigma out in the world about talking about UFO. Wait a second, but you also have a stigma.

If you're in the UFO community, you're not even allowed to ask questions sometimes. Right. About things. So you can't have it both ways. The more, the bigger the bubble gets about the UFO community, the more people that get interested the more people that insert themselves into the community they see a documentary they see age of disclosure they see the grandma gets sent age of disclosure and goes oh you know what i want to look into this this a little bit more and then goes online and sees like oh my god they're just they they were just

now you now they've left the community right now they don't care anymore because of that toxicity so yeah i think it's a huge problem that needs to be addressed and it's like walking on eggshells most people don't want to talk about it. They don't, you know, they just want to ignore the, quote, drama and stay, and I get that. Okay, I totally get that. It's not healthy to sort of indulge those sort of things, but it gets taken to a point where you got to say something. Like, there's people being docks. I got docks. Literally docs. They spread rumors about me that are so horrendous. I can't even repeat them, to be honest with you. And it's a lot for people to take in. And if, you know, I'm a creator. So I'm used to people saying things about me that aren't true just

like you are, right? Like it happens. Right. And you deal with it. But your average everyday person who's just looking into this, they also get docs threatened and harassed for asking questions. And they don't know how to deal with it because they're like, you know, what's going on here? Yeah. I think that's a huge problem. I think, again, the bigger the bubble gets, the more people that look into this, you know, that will either stop the growth of people interested in UFOs, or it will get so big that some of these toxic elements won't be able to thrive because there'll be more people and they won't be able to attack everybody. So the questions are going to get out.

And I think that's kind of happening. I mean, you know, my channel grew over the last couple years, right? And I asked questions the whole time. Right. Even though people tried to, quote, shut me down or get me to go away or what I didn't go away. Clearly, people are interested in this topic, but they also have questions, which is a reasonable approach to this, right? You're interested. You care.

But, hey, there's sometimes there's some things that don't make sense. And you go, hey, that doesn't make sense. It's not the end of the world to ask a question about something, you know, that it doesn't make sense. If I went to a restaurant and I ordered food and the food hasn't shown up at my table, there's nothing wrong with asking the waiter. Hey, can you check on my dish? Is that coming out anytime soon? There's nothing wrong with that. Right.

Right. So that's where I'm out with it. And yeah, it's disgusting that some of this stuff happens. You know, it's life as well. But yeah, I wish it wasn't like that. And I wish some of these people didn't do it. and fanboy out on some people and just put them above humanity.

Like, this is just something I always say, I'll just leave it here. And our search to expand humanity, we can't lose our humanity. 100%. Yeah. Right. Like, we're trying to, oh, if we find out everything about aliens and UFO,

you know, the world will become a better place, technology, this, that, you know. But we're going to step all over each other to make it happen. Right. That doesn't make any sense. I would give up the knowledge of the truth about UFOs and aliens if it meant humanity was better to each other. I would exchange that. I don't think it's worth it.

The ends don't justify the means for me. You know what I'm saying? I would rather humanity become better. We become better people. Then you know, you shouldn't have to give up one for the other. Clearly, ideally that would be the case, right? We wouldn't have to give up. But if I had to choose one, yeah, I'd rather humans be nicer to each other than we find out if aliens or UFOs are real or not.

Yeah. And why do you think that happens, though? I mean, why do you think we see that the tribalism when it's like, hey, well, this person, if you're saying something bad about this person, then I think you're awful and I'm going to try to ruin your life. And it's like, you know, a little bit of vice versa situation. And, you know, this person's evil. This person's a disinformation. This person is trying to spread lies. And I mean, why do you think that it has happened where the figure has become more important in people's eyes than the actual bigger picture itself?

What do you think the psychology is behind that? I mean, I think it's a mix. I think there's ego involved from some of these UFO personalities, some of these people. Well, actually, yeah, on that note, and I meant to ask that, I'm glad you said that, do you think it's intentional or is it a mix? Do you think there are some people who have mobilized? a community to say go out and attack anybody who doesn't agree with me or is it's just there's fanboys out there that get really offended if you talk against their favorite person I think it's a I think it's a mix of both I think I think there are people who weaponize

you know their fans well I mean me in particular I think there's one guy and you can cut this if you want but I think it's Lou I think Lou Elizando's fans are the worst fans on in the entire UFO community. No, I won't cut. If you're willing to go there, then yeah, go for it. Of course. I made a whole video, but I firmly believe that. I make videos about everybody.

That's what Betta does. I cover the news, right? I cover George Naps, your Ross Coltharts, you're Gary Nolan, you let's go down the list. You're Stephen Greer, anybody and everybody. And yeah, people will come and defend their, if they believe a story or that. But if you cover Lou Elizondo and you say the wrong thing,

that's who docks me. his fans. They come out to defend that guy like nobody's business. They're the most toxic, horrific people and he's a patriot and a whistle. Okay, he may be those things but that doesn't give you the right to docks

people in his name and they do it in his name. That's the worst part. It's like, and Lou Elizondo kind of acts a little like aloof like, oh, no, what's going on? Is this happening in my name? I don't think so. Integrity. It's just like, bro, if people

are out doing those things in Betted's name, if people are out there like, I'm defending you, Patrick. I'd say, don't. Stop. What are you doing? Don't do that in my name. Let people say whatever they want about me. Don't go docks them. There are lines and people cross those lines.

And again, I start to go, I don't care about UFOs and aliens. Now we're talking about humans, humans' life. Like, that's despicable to me, especially when I see like, you know, I'm old school. I'm from Texas. I see women. getting hurt. I think women getting

threatened and that really bothers me. Sure. You know, again, I'm old school that way. Sure. It's, I just don't. People they can't defend themselves properly without a proper platform. And why do they do it? I personally don't think there's some

like, you know, government control thing. I literally think it's people's egos. You know, I really do. People who just have thin skin. I think Lou Elizondo has a very thin skin. It doesn't like criticism. He's already been busted. He admitted having sock accounts that he went on and attacked people with other Twitter accounts because he couldn't handle people saying things about him

that he didn't like or that weren't true. It's like, dude, you're a public figure. You're, you literally can't stop everyone from saying things about you that are not true. What, you're going to go attack Dragon Breath 69 from Ohio when he says something about you. You don't. It's like, dude, let it go. You can't. You can't. You can't, you can't, it's just an impossible thing. And everyone else that you talk about, they can handle that criticism. They may not like it. I get it.

Damn, man, people out there saying stuff like, I get it. But going the steps that Lou Elizando's fans go to, I've never seen anything like it in any community. And I just don't, I hope it stops. I hope, and I don't see him making an effort to make it stop. He just says it doesn't exist. bro it exists like acknowledge it um it's it's gone it's gone past the point of i i just don't believe me i i don't know what's going on i mean you're either the dumbest person i've ever met or you're you know purposely ignorant and again we can't lose our

humanity in this search to find out the truth about the phenomenon right now it's it's an ugly situation and um you know i second that i hope it stops it shouldn't be happening you know we can be kind to each other in the exploration of trying to find the truth i mean there's there's no reason for us i agree it's so nasty um outside of that we mentioned some of the cases right some of the big cases we mentioned some of the roswell some of virginia some magenta those are ones that people hear about a lot those are ones that are investigated a lot what do you think i'm kind of put you on the spot here. What do you think just in the your travels and your things that you've investigated, what's a case in your mind that doesn't get enough attention or scenario even

that doesn't get enough attention that you think should, it's right up there, like we should put it up there with the Varshingyas and the Roswells and so on and so forth, but for whatever reason people just don't talk about it that much. Yeah, that's a great question. I think two parts. So I would say psionics, which is what I'm looking into, the power of the mind and our consciousness and what we may be connecting with. And I find that to be quite interesting. And everything that branches from that remote viewing, right, all of that. I'm very interested in that stuff that that intrigues me, the sort of quantum tunneling happening or quantum communication. Like I'm super interested in that. And I don't think enough people look into it.

And then aside from that, I think there's a lot of, quote, international cases, you know, especially as an American and I got caught up in it myself, but having moved to Spain and realizing, holy God, there's a whole subculture. There's so many UFO cases I've never heard of that are famous here, right, that people talk about. And that's interesting to me. And I'm going to start exploring some of that here in the 2026. at least just from where I'm at. So I think there's just a whole bottom of the iceberg of UFO cases that are around the world that we've just never heard about that are so intriguing, so compelling. And I think that, you know, preponderance of cases does add some credibility to the community

and to the study of this topic, right? that it's like, hey, it's not just happening here. It's happening in place. You know, this is insane. You know, I'm going to, there's even a local guy that I'm going with that my brother-in-law hunts with that he's like, there's a UFO hot spot around me. Wow. Apparently this mountain, I'm going to go sleep in this cave and this guy's going to show me where these UFOs show up all the time. I'm like, what?

Isn't they nuts? I mean, it's just like nuts. Like, whoa, what the heck? I mean, you know, yeah, I think we just got to get out of our little bubbles. And I'm guilty of it. and realize, like we said earlier, going back, just to bring it back full circle, this is a global thing.

And I think that's what people should focus on trying to understand. But, you know, there's that language barrier. So I get it sometimes really hard to look into certain things. Sure. Just don't know the language. So it's, you know, it's not like you're reading their newspapers or seeing their TV or news, but more and more things are getting translated and looking into.

And so hopefully that those kind of things, You know, we can start to bridge the gaps with other countries and cultures to help bring it out a little bit more. And I help to hope do that here in Spain. That's awesome. And kind of on that note, too. And this is, I'll finish with this topic, maybe not necessarily this question, but with this topic, the kind of bridge from that is exploring kind of the ancient history of things. And I noticed that you want to start getting into that more and looking into, you know, how do these things from a thousand years, ago, 2,000, 3,000 years ago, how do these things relate to today?

How do some of these ancient cultures relate to today? So what are you most excited about really wanting to dig into, no pun intended, kind of dig into some of the bad dad jokes, kind of, you know, in that arena. Like what are you trying to, I guess, start with there to connect the dots? Yeah, great question. I mean, Atlantis. okay i had that written down i don't know i literally have atlantis written down i have atlantis written down in my list

that was going to be a follow-up question was hey what about atlantis but go for it yeah atlantis there's some new um information there's a new investigation about atlantis potentially being being in the iberian peninsula which is right by me right there okay um at just a short drive away uh to where they think atlantis actually may be. And I'm just like, you know, when I heard that, I thought, you know, what am I doing? I want to look into this stuff. I want to get out there. I want to, you know, having done the documentary man and really boots on the ground, like in the real world, like, that lit a spark at me to like really want to get out and do real world investigations. And

again, it's really hard. Like, we were talking about that. Is there a UFO at a naval base in Maryland? I can't go check that, dude. Yeah. But what I can do, you tell me, Atlanta's maybe in the Aberian Peninsula. I can go there. I can look into the, you know. So it just, that's what interests me. I want to go, um, look into this. I want to go to Egypt.

I want to go to the Peruvian-Nasca lines. I want to go to India. I want to go to Scotland. I want to go to wherever all these different places where things might be happening. In Spain, especially, you know, Spain has such a rich history going back to prehistoric. The oldest known, um, um, art, human art, is in Spain, literally in the town I live in Spain. Really?

There's a cave going back hundreds of thousands of years with this famous red handprint. Oh, wow. That's where I live. That's awesome. You know, the town I live in is the world heritage cities. And it's just the history, the rich history here. And I think there's, we don't know everything about our history. There's still so many more mysteries about it.

Yeah. And some of these, right? And maybe even how that connects to NHI. I find that fascinating too, right? Some of that. Maybe our origin as a human species. We think we got it figured out. We don't.

We don't know anything. No, right. So, you know, I want to explore some of that stuff. In Atlantis, of course, like how, how romanticizes that story and that idea. And I just think, you know, it just sounds like an interesting place to start. Yeah, I mean, because there's just so much, I mean, you talk about you may never crawl out of that hole because there's just, as a really deep hole. And I mean, because you start to talk about, you know, a lost continent in Lumaria.

You know, was that part of Atlantis? Are they one in the same? And was there a breakaway civilization that, you know, survived this, this catastrophic event that might have taken place? And are they living underground or are they part of the alien phenomenon? I mean, there's so much that can break away. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah.

Good luck put that one together. There's just so much you can do with that. So, I mean, and you know, what? Oh, my God. And maybe it does actually connect to you mentioned the pyramids in ancient Egypt. Yeah. You know, Edgar Casey spoke about it. If you want to connect the two, where he spoke about Atlantean artifacts being under a paw of the sphinx.

So, you know, come on that. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, that's one of my favorites. And, you know, how that supposedly remote views. that and that's in the the um agri casey library that that that session so he supposedly saw this where there's this hidden knowledge under i'm going to get in trouble for this but i forget if it's the i know it's the front the right or the left front paw of the sphinx and we gotta have to look into that um but it's one of those and he said you know yeah there's there's something under there that connects back to this lost knowledge of atlantean history so might be able to

to bridge the gap there. And that's something that's always fascinated to me as well. Yeah. Maybe a UAP-invetted investigation looking into these things. Let's go. Maybe this is how you come to Europe for the first time as we do a little boots on the ground work here. I'm all for it, man.

Don't tell me with a good time because I'll do it. I'll come out there, film me things on my iPhone. I'm ready. Let's go. Yeah, absolutely. No, I'm still. I'm still rolling at your good luck That was so funny

I mean I don't know how you're going to do it But I'm all for it man Good luck bro Good luck Oh man I love it man This has been This has been great

I love having you on It's just It's always great to kind of catch up And talk about this stuff And really just Try to put it all out there Um If people aren't watching

your stuff Patrick how do they find you where can they look you up with vetted yeah just go you know YouTube show um so just go to YouTube search bedded B-E-T-T-E-D will come up right away and that's really it I mean just make it easy I mean go to our website bedded dot show but I just say go to YouTube and search because I see that a lot people just search for us on YouTube it comes up really easy so yeah just catch us on YouTube there B-E-T-T-E-D baby let's go Pretty easy. It's straightforward.

And just, you know, I'll say this too before we're done. Awesome job, man, on everything. You know, I've obviously been following what you've been doing for the past few years. To see, you know, your growth in what you've been doing, how much growth you've had in the YouTube channel and the consistency. That's one thing. I want to put this out there publicly for you is the consistency of what you've done on your show, putting stuff out every day. You know, little vacations here and there, and that's fine. but to do something every day

and to continuously put in that effort it's extremely difficult and so I just want to commend you on that that you've been able to do that consistently now over the past few years and your channel and the growth of that channel is well deserved because you put in the hard work so kudos to you sir

thank you man yeah no thank you dude same to you dude I love your show you know that you know that I love the interviews you do and what you bring to the community and I love your open-mindedness and there just needs to be, you know, more people like us, dude, who are just interested in this, you know, genuinely passionate and interested in this and open-minded

and don't mind having a conversation with anybody about anything, and I respect that a lot. Oh, man, awesome. Likewise, and hopefully we'll do it again down the road here. More things develop, you know, as we go on throughout the year. Absolutely. Definitely stay in touch. And who knows?

Once the film comes out. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. When the film comes out, I'll come back on, man. I'd love to talk to you. After you see it, I can't wait for you to see it, and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it, to be honest. No, absolutely, man.

I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, well, that's absolutely one opportunity to bring you back on here. And who knows, you might see some videos coming live from Spain or from Egypt with myself and Patrick. So I'm just saying it. Let's go, baby. I love it. Let's go. I'll bring the fireworks.

I don't know how to bring those back. I'll bring those back. I did something. Yeah. That was so wild. Patrick Armstrong, Vetted, right here on UAP. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it. Awesome.

Thanks, man. And there you have it. So much fun. Such a great time. Thank you again to Patrick for coming on, for doing that, for spending so much time to, you know, kind of sit down and just talk about everything. So thank you again. Patrick Armstrong from Vetted.

Really, really enjoyed that, and I hope you did too. And make sure to check out his documentary when it does come out. I really am looking forward to seeing that. I can't wait to see how he put it together. psionics, the minds that summon UFOs. So that'll be out sometime soon, it sounds like, from what we were talking about. I'm sure we'll be updated and, you know, I'll spread the word once it comes out. And best of luck to Patrick with that documentary and everything else that he's doing.

You know, it's funny. One thing I'm looking forward to seeing that actually in that documentary is something that we spoke about in part one. And I didn't really get to cover it as much as I wanted to at the end of that episode. I don't want to gloss over where he told us that story about when he sat in what's called the shaman's chair in that area of the desert that they were in, I guess, somewhere in Utah. And he's sitting in this what's called the shaman's chair, which is just like carved out rock that was used by, you know, Native American Indians. And he felt that, you know, energy, presence, whatever it was. when we talked about that in part one I found that really really compelling

because you know and you probably remember the question I had asked him I said you know do you think where did that come from was it an actual psionic connection to another life form to another dimension to some type of energy you know this unseen energy

or is there more to that does it speak to the I guess you know possible lost ancient knowledge that Native American societies or tribes had, much like ancient Egypt or ancient, you know, the Mayans, South American cultures, these Native American cultures, did they have some type of, you know, knowledge on how to connect to laylines around the earth, the natural points of heightened magnetism or whatever it might be. And those are things that, I've always wondered, the correlation between different spots around the earth, right?

These different points that can't be explained that have like some type of higher energy or these properties to them. You know, Stonehenge is one of those points. Of course, the Pyramids of Giza is one of those points. There's all these big points around the world that have these like natural phenomena. um connected to them and just so happens to be where you know these ancient monuments and all these these structures are that nobody knows how they were built so i just i didn't know if there was a correlation there and i couldn't help but to wonder what is that site in utah this chaman's chair connected to some type of you know ancient knowledge about uh you know a point of energy

on that spot that's native american cultures understood and that somewhere along the line we've kind of lost sight of some of those things. It's worth a shot, right? It's worth asking. And that's the kind of stuff that I really, you know, find fascinating to where we can ask those questions and really say, you know, what's behind this? You know, is there more to this?

Are we connecting to something sionically? Or is that connection always there for us to have? And we just forgot how to tap into it or that knowledge has been lost somewhere along the way on how to tap into these things that are already there. This stuff that gets me going. So I just wanted to, you know, kind of look back on that from part one with myself and Patrick.

I didn't want to gloss over that. That's one of those things that has kind of stuck in my head since we had the conversation to begin with. But there is everything, part two right there, myself and Patrick from Vetted. And there is a lot to chew on. So, like I said, hopefully maybe if you want to go back and listen again and take it all in, when it comes to the Varginia stuff, when it comes to Atlantis. I always love bringing up Atlantis and Edgar Casey and how it connects to ancient Egypt.

And I'm not kidding you. When Patrick and I brought it up there at the end, I am all for going on like these expeditions. I mean, you know how much that excites me, how cool that would be to go on these expeditions, film it all, put it on YouTube, put on social media, maybe make it, you know, some type of documentary out of it. Who knows? But to go out into the field, I yearn for the field. I want to get out of the studio, break out of the studio, and get out into the field. I would love to do that. So I will keep in contact with Patrick.

If that opportunity presents itself, I wasn't kidding. And he wasn't kidding either. Maybe there's something that will materialize in the future where we get out in the field together. I don't know. Stay tuned. Lord knows there's enough to investigate. I can imagine it now. Me in the sands of ancient Egypt digging under the sphinx.

I don't think that would go well for me, just because the authorities are probably take me away, but it's worth a shot. But yeah, a lot to reflect on there. Of course, you know, the conversations about doxing and how people are treating each other. That needs to stop. No matter whose camp you think you're in or whose side you think you're on or who might be right or wrong,

stop. That needs to stop. And, you know, I'm always for talking to everybody, and I get criticized for it. I've had Lou Elizondo on the show here before. I like Lou Elizondo. From speaking with him, I personally have not had a bad experience with Louel Alizando. That's not to say that others may not have had bad experiences or might think

that he's ignoring issues, you know, like Patrick was talking about. His experiences have been very much different from mine because he's dealt with people who, again, in these camps, who back him and say, well, we're going to go after you if you're not backing him. No, that's wrong. And I'm all for having everybody on, right? I've gotten flack before from having you on Ashton Forbes here on the show many times. I still get flack. People come on and be in social media. Why have you had Ashton Forbes on your show? What? I haven't had it on like a year, but if you wanted to come back on, I would bring it back on. So if it's whether or not you agree or disagree with the person is not up to me to say. But for people to go after each other

and put out someone's location, addresses, family members, addresses and pictures of family members or kids, God forbid, what are we doing, guys? Stop. This is, let's just talk about this stuff. Let's ask the questions and, you know, threats, you know, threatening lives, threatening, you know, safety and security. There is absolutely no reason to do that ever. No matter whose side you say you're on. And that, that I think is silly as well to say I'm on this person's side or that person's side. Let's just all talk about it. You can agree with someone more than you agree with the other person. I understand that, right? You can, you can gravitate more towards someone else's opinion and say, yeah, I'm more like-minded with, you know,

David Grush or Ross Colthard or Jeremy Corbell or whoever it might be that's in this community. And I don't agree with what Patrick says or I don't agree with what you say Stephen Dina or I agree with somebody else. Fine. But to go after people because you disagree with them, that's a different level and that should never happen. And I don't want to ignore it. I see it all the time in social media and it's bad. It's really bad. And it needs to stop. no matter where you land in the argument and the conversation, we need to stop doing that to each other. Not only because it's indecent, we want to be decent human beings,

but on the smaller scale, it distracts from the bigger picture of trying to get to disclosure. If we're just fighting with each other the whole time, where are we going to get? That's one giant distraction if we're just fighting with each other. Work together on it, ask the questions, agree or disagree, and move on. So that's my,

my UAP presidential speech here of the state of the union affairs on UAP. But in all seriousness, it is a big thing, and I notice it, and it's a problem. So I hope people can stop doing that to each other. But aside from the heavy stuff, there's so much to look back on all those two parts of the conversation and really kind of reflect. A lot of the fun stuff, a lot of the interesting stuff, a lot of the important stuff that I think that was brought up there. And to think about these questions and where the answers might lie. That's what I like to do.

And that's what I'm going to keep doing here on UAP in the future. And next week, a lot more coming up. So make sure you stick around and continue to subscribe to the show, download it, wherever you get your podcast, all the major platforms on podcasting. Just search it. Just search UAP. And you will find the show. And look for Patrick as well. If you've never gotten into his stuff, make sure to search out vetted on YouTube.

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