UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 189 To Believe or Not to Believe? False Prophets in the UFO Topic

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Who should we believe and why? What stories are more believable than others in UFO lore? These are some of the questions that are explored as Stephen Diener sits down with filmmaker Darcy Weir, to discuss his recent work and why we should beware of so called "false prophets" within the conversation. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I've actually been waiting to put this out here. I've been trying to get it out here this week, but as you can tell, I'm still trying to get over. A little bit of a cold from last week has still sounded a little bit raspy. I'm better. Thankfully, like, I'm good, but my... my gosh, my voice was completely shot for days. I couldn't talk at all a few days ago,

which, you know, is not very conducive to being able to do shows and put out podcasts and produce episodes. So here I am today, thankful to be able to speak with you again on a new episode of UAP. And I'm happy to be able to put this one out here finally with my good friend Darcy Weir, filmmaker, documentarian, has done a bunch of different films. And I've been happy to be able to get to know them

over the past year or so, and he's been on the show a few times now. And I always enjoy talking to him and bringing him on here from time to time because he gives a different outlook. He has a different perspective on things than maybe how I would present some things. And I like that. I like to be able to have kind of that cross-examination and get some different ideas because that will spark ideas in my head. It may be new ideas in your head about what you might think to be the case.

So in this interview, it's kind of a conjecture. trarian stance. It's more, it's coming more from a skeptical point of view from Darcy. We are talking about his new film covering the secret space program. And that's why I have entitled this film, False Profits with a question mark, because it kind of lends to a lot of the things that Darcy and I speak to in here with a controversial topic on its own, which is the possibility of a secret space program and secret space warriors and all of these fantastical ideas that.

you would see in Star Trek or science fiction movies. But there are guys out there who say that they've been a part of these programs and that they know they exist and that they've been in secret meetings that talk about them. So this is one of those things that it's really, really hard to believe on its face. And that's where Darcy Weir comes in with this documentary speaking about this and covering the claims of the guys who say they've been a part of this and trying to kind of pick it apart and say, what are we supposed to believe? So I'm going to let the interview go here now It's not a super long one It's only about 25 or 26 minutes And then I have a lot to say

Following this interview On a lot of the notes that I took from what we spoke about To kind of bring it all together and wrap it all up So first here the conversation with myself and Darcy We are covering this topic Covering this subject And then I'll come back in to finish it off With a lot of afterthoughts

So right now myself and Darcy We are right here on UAP enjoy well happy to welcome back here friend of the show on uap mr darcy weir documentarian filmmaker darcy thanks so much for coming back here uh to uap appreciate you coming back yeah thanks for having me stephen happy to be here yeah absolutely um i want to start with uh your latest project actually dark alliance next generation because it covers a subject that um some people find controversial in the UFO community. And you know, and anybody who listens knows

I do not shy away from controversial topics in the UFO community. So I'm very happy to talk to you about this film because it covers the secret space program. So talk and those who say they kind of took part in it and how it kind of coincides with the UFO topic. So kind of talk about the ins and outs of this first. And, you know, what were you trying to get across with this movie? Yeah, I think I was trying to get across.

And essentially there has to be some kind of real nuts and bolts secret space program that the United States military and their science assets like NASA probably take part in together to have some kind of domination of the theater of space and have intelligence operations as well as maybe some military operations that can be completed. But the New Age Secret Space program is really almost like a Lord of the Rings style of telling stories where these people, Corey Good and David Wilcock, really started the fandom and popularity of this New Age Secret Space program topic. Yeah, because he kind of came out and as a controversial figure, is saying what was the 20 and back program, I think is what is referred to as. And basically that, you know, this space soldier who would be sent into cosmic battle, right? I mean, that's the gist of it. Essentially, and like sort of the spiritual side with the Anshar, which are these bluebird people. And, you know, taking part in a galactic federation of aliens that are the good guys against the bad guys, which are the lizard people in space.

You know, stuff that's been pretty much in science fiction since all time. Yeah. I mean, Star Trek. Star Trek. Yeah. Captain Kirk was fighting a lizard man back in the 1960s, right? So none of this is really new. It's just written into a UFO lore.

What I think the community is addicted to is prophecy. They really like these self-styled leaders that are saying, trust me, bro. In other words, like, I know the truth and, you know, unlike others in the community, follow me. That's pretty much what I think keeps repeating within the community. And it's a problem, you know, I mean, one of the guys we covered in the doc, Alex Collier, you know, he has a criminal record for fraud. His name isn't even Alex Collier. His name is Ralph. Oh, wow.

And, you know, he predicted we'd run out of oxygen on the planet and all die at a certain time, you know, because of the ozone layer and stuff. And that date came and passed, right? And so a lot of these sort of doomsday prophecy types, they dominate the scene because fear and love. how do you attract attention the most? You create a fear-based reaction from people and you offer save, you know, sort of you become a savior of some sort and you offer your love and care and service to save people, right?

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which is why I talk to guys like you or I investigate different subjects and present the details to a story because we don't have the answers. We have pieces of a puzzle that we can try to put together. So is it fair to say without, I guess without coming off

as too strong here, the argument made in the film is that to beware of charlatans in the space? I think it's fair to say that's part of the message. you know, and that there, we need to... Not that I'm accusing any names of being charlatans, by the way, but just the action.

No, me neither. Me neither. You know, I gave an example earlier of somebody who doesn't represent who they really are in their true history. But when you vet people correctly and you research their background, then you're able to do that. Then you understand what's a clearer picture of what might be happening here. right and um i think people are not doing that they're getting tied up with the headline of what the person has said and um the sensationalism of what could could be in terms of their message not who they really are where they've come from and what they're how that relates to what they're doing now right right um it it it's it's

All documentaries should be historical and factual, right? In my opinion, you should be representing a history of a person, a history of a phenomenon, a history of what has been said, and then reflecting some fact into that. And that's what we did with this doc, right? It's public record. You can look up these things about these people if you want. I'd say what I'm trying to do with a documentary like this. With that said, during this film, you know, I saw some of the interviews that you had in there. Maybe some names people wouldn't be immediately familiar with, but their claims are, you know, outstanding.

So what stood out to you during that process when you were having these interviews? Who did you speak to and some of the things that they said that made you really think like, wow, are these guys for real? Well, yeah, Tony Rodriguez, we go over his claims of being a space slave, well, kind of like an Illuminati slave and then inducted into this secret space 20 in back program, new age program, you know, being enslaved by gray reptilians and stuff like that. some pretty dark stuff and like he totally owns that story some people will believe it um that's fine then you've got chris o'connor he's more of a galactic federation counselor i guess he was more uh working with people that were going through negative feelings and reactions when they were coming out of the Secret Space program or, you know, dealing with malevolent aliens and so on and so forth. So, I mean, those guys have some pretty interesting testimony.

It's a place I've never really gone fully before, I think. the thing with my documentaries in the past other documentaries where I've spoken to experiencers, I think what's important about other people's messages is that they're just not sure, right? They have ideas of what happened to them. Let's say Travis Walton, who I've spoken to. They have ideas, but they can't say, I know for sure these were the beings that I communicated with. are from this star system. They have malevolent intentions or benevolent intentions.

He just has opinions and he expresses those and make sure you understand them. And with these guys that I interview, they're sure. They know they're telling you, you know, this is the whole truth and everything else is, you know, not related to this is not as important. Right. And I think that's where we get kind of a bit into a dangerous area of the conversation because it becomes more prophecy style, right? Trust me, bro. Yeah.

And, you know, with Travis Walton, there was a lot of things based around his case, like multiple eyewitnesses, lie detector tests. He was missing. The police were looking for him. It followed a lot of evidence. And then UFO's citing, they, you know, people got involved to investigate trace evidence. There's some radiation that affected the trees in the area where UFO was actually spotted by the men years later. So, you know, there's a lot of traces of evidence that proved something happened there. And then you've got somebody that's humble and saying, I don't know for sure what's going on, but this is what happened to me, right?

Right. Right. And you think about our place in the universe. Scientifically, if we are not alone, and there's a much more advanced species or other non-human intelligences interacting with this planet secretly, because we're not allowed to know on a grand scale that they're here, the truth might be much beyond what we can fully grasp just yet. And I think what happens is the end. entertainment factor invades the conversation and certain entertainers will take over the clout, will take over the attention and the conversation of what's going on. Right.

I'm wondering, too, when you spoke to those guys, I mean, what was your impression? Because obviously, I assume it's not like they can show you documentation that they were part of the Secret Space Program and that they were, you know, off planet. somewhere. So, I mean, what is your impression when you're talking to these guys? Like, and they're telling you these just, you know, fantastical stories. Well, they validate themselves through things that they say they found, but there's no documentation or other eyewitness testimony to prove what they're saying or pictures or videos, you know, these things are usually way higher than and just testimony.

Testimony is interesting, and stories are interesting. And human beings are geared towards hearing very interesting stories. It's part of our motivations, you know? And, you know, I don't fault these guys at all. I think they're really nice guys. The overall conversation needs to be elevated. We do need proof when we're talking about certain things. That's important to me.

Well, on that note, actually, do you think that, like, what do you think they have to gain by telling these stories? Is there a gain for them? Is there a monetary gain? Is there a, you know, raise your profile type of gain? What would be their end game with telling these stories and saying that these things happen to them? Well, there's a huge industry, you know, based around this conversation now. the entertainment industry is huge regarding disclosure UFOs paranormal um think about every TV show that's released every year every documentary you know I I am partly guilty for that but I try to

have a a good conversation a good investigation with my documentaries um so really just kind of like becoming part of the conversation really kind of putting inserting yourself into the topic and it's something that, you know, you actually spoke about somebody else in the films, a character that I've, I guess, passively studied here and there over the years, and that's a man named Randy Kramer. This is another guy who just tells an unreal story about, I mean, a life-long journey in this program where he was fighting battles on Mars and then came back to his earthly body and he was the same age as when he left, but he was away for like 30 or 40 years. So, can you expand a little bit on Randy Kramer and kind of what was presented in the film about him?

Because he's quite the character. Yeah, Randy actually is the first guy that started doing interviews on video and so on with Project Camelot, my friend Carrie Cassidy. And he was the first sort of big super soldier slash new age secret space program. But he talked a bit more, like if you get to Corey Good and some of these other players, they kind of talk about an age regression that's almost like a spiritual process, Benjamin Button back to your original age or something. Whereas like Randy talks about cloned bodies and, you know, he might be living in a body that's been age regressed through technology. Not through like this spirituality thing. It's like a medbed procedure and you wonder if this again is part of this entertainment factor that's so pervasively persuaded people in the UFOs slash kind of conspiracy community at this point to be real. Hey guys. So before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that

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Yeah. It's, again, it just falls under that, you know, could this really be true type of category when it comes to the secret space program idea and the tales of it. Something that kind of goes along with that Darcy, and this is actually something that you and I spoke about behind the scenes, and I'll touch on it as we get into it here now, is the Stargates or alleged Stargate program. I mean, of course, we all remember the movie, the show,

and I think they're actually bringing it back. But it's, you know, of course, that idea that these ancient stargates are out there, and we can use them to teleport, and this is something that's been, talked about in connection with the Iraqi war, going back to Operation Enduring Freedom in the early 2000s. I know you explored this a little bit. So I'll let you tell you're part of it on the film side. And then I'll tell you how I'm actually personally connected to this, oddly enough.

So what did you learn about this and how did you present it in the film? Michael Sala wrote a book at this is another very popular figure in the UFO community that's been around for the whole 20 and back secret space program, New Age secret space program storytelling. He said that the real reason we invaded Iraq was to reclaim stargates that Saddam's regime had found with absolutely no proof. So they just believe this guy that's entered the conspiracy in UFO community to gain attention and to, you know, continue to push their own narratives. And that is a dangerous thing.

Straight up. It keeps happening also in the community. Real events happen in history that are important, but then certain people flood the zone with disinformation for their own entertainment and media empire purposes. Yeah, baby, you're trying to take advantage of the situation. To, I guess, come back, to connect that all what I was talking about when it comes to my own personal connection to the Stargate theory. And this is why it really intrigued me because way before I was even, you know, doing this show way before them. This is like around somewhere middle, like 2014 in that area. I wasn't really even in broadcasting yet. It was doing, it was in the insurance world for sales. And I was talking to one of my coworkers and just, you know, kind of BSing back and forth in between

calls and he's like you know I have my my cousin came to my place this weekend and he was you know coming back from being deployed we know we were still active in iraq at this point iSis was was starting to come up and he said you know the real reason why we went to iraq was because there are stargates and what we wanted to take over those i was like okay you never heard that before and again this is you know way back in 2014 it wasn't even into this yet um i mean i've always been into this topic but you know to the point where that intrigued me But I didn't really think anything of it. I didn't know there was a whole history to it.

So when I saw that this was actually in your film, I kind of like, you know, brought me back to that 12 years ago where I thought, huh, that's interesting. I wonder why that random guy said that to, you know, my coworker. And then he tells me that back 12 years ago. So I don't know if that was just something, you know, he wanted to mess with his cousin. It was something that he saw in a book and thought maybe I can say this. You know, I'm drunk, so I'll just say whatever I want because that's what he said.

He said his cousin was drunk and was saying all these different. stories about what was really going on. So I don't know if that connects to anything as far as plausibility or just coincidence. I don't know. It's, it's, look, it's a popular theory because, again, like I said, something, a major worldwide event happened and people were, you know, their consciousness shifted towards conspiracy worldwide when they found out there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to be confiscated or taken down.

And that was the whole precipice, the whole reason of doing that. So because people are then so shocked consciously about the misleading of that information, they gear themselves toward maybe there's a conspiracy reason for why we really went there and that's where these people dominate that they flood the zone with this information your co-workers cousin becomes enamored in that theory and that becomes a popular conversation in the UFO community i mean people are still talking about stargates today and it's a great tv show slash movie. Right.

You know, so it's science fiction, right? I don't think we have Stargates. I think it's possible we could create portals, certain technology, maybe, eventually, maybe even UFOs use something like that for travel. I mean, Mark D. Antonio talks about the Kaluza Klein research and, you know, this sort of wormhole theory of maybe how UFOs travel from A to B so quickly. We're not actually seeing them travel in a straight line really quickly there. It's just that they're kind of warping there.

Yeah. I think there might be some truth to that stuff eventually. It's going to take a whole lot of energy and a whole lot of technological prowess to get there. But the whole Stargate thing is a blend between. ancient aliens theory, right? Sure. And the crowd that's already attracted to that is massive, right? Like the ancient aliens on History Channel has been dominating the charts for decades now.

What season are they in? 21 or something. Yeah, it's somewhere in there. Yeah. So it's a blend between ancient aliens theory and then, you know, megalithic sites and ancient history. UFOs and aliens. And that's why it has a broad appeal

because people would like to believe that maybe ancient technology still exists is still here from aliens that came to us in the past. And that could just be, I mean, there could be some truth to ancient aliens, but a lot of it could be just entertainment, right? more like a

trust me bro slash what if bro sort of presentation. Yeah, there's so much to consider with this to say the least. So I'll get you out of here on this, Darcy, this one final thought and one final question to kind of bring it all together.

You know, we talk about the Galactic Federation. That's always been a thing, of course, it's brought up in your film. And it's also brought up in the past during the first Trump administration where former Israeli defense minister spoke about how he knows about this Galactic Federation and that Trump had been briefed in his first term. Again, this goes back to reports from 2019, 2020,

that Trump had been briefed on the Galactic Federation and that there are many countries, European countries, United States, and so on and so forth, that are involved with this Galactic Federation that have direct contact with extraterrestrials. And now we tie that together. now seven, six years later, where we're talking about this possible disclosure speech, reportedly from President Trump on July 8th. So do you think this all ties together when we talk about what, you know, you're presenting in your film, one of the aspects of the Black Federation, and we look at that report from

the former Israeli defense minister to now where it seems like maybe some of this is coming to a head. Do you find that coincidental? Do you find the timing to be kind of odd? Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty good at timing. I've been releasing documentaries sometimes right within the zone that people are really willing to discuss mysteries like never before. Like, you know, transmedium I released when everybody was really considering the oceans as being a place that non-human intelligence could be coming and going from.

But this, at the end of the documentary, I expressed my skeptibility. about Haimashed. I reached out to him, his people. That's the former defense minister, right? The Israeli defense minister. He was, uh, yeah, he was a military and space agency director. Right. Um, Galactic Federation has been a discussion.

It's probably some kind of sciop to take advantage of people. That's what I expressed in the documentary because we're looking at the history. We're looking at the fact. types of people that have said this before and then you know I don't know why should we trust Haimashid and and how do we know he's not confused about this too right people get so caught up in somebody's background or position prior and we have to vet things properly we have to be careful I think that's a fair assertion too in saying that you know a title sometimes

is the kind of thing where people hear a title and say, well, I'm going to automatically believe you then because you have, you know, ABC title. And I agree. I think that is something that we need to be a little weary of too and not just take somebody's word because of a title. And it's an interesting point. It's an interesting aspect of this all.

Before we go, how can everybody find you, find the film and follow what you're doing? Yeah, films on Apple TV right now. I think it will be hitting Fossum with ads eventually. I'll share that link when it's available, but definitely follow me, oko journeys.com, Oco journeys, at Oco journeys on Twitter. I have a podcast myself that's just audio right now, kind of covering my tenure, covering this topic and all the different documentaries that are done in the past called UFO Review.

That's on Spotify, Spreaker. Nice. Apple podcast. and stuff, you can check that out. And, yeah, Darcy Weir films on Instagram and yeah. So check it out Dark Alliance next generation. Check out Darcy everywhere. Darcy Weir, thanks again for doing this, man.

Always great catching up with you. Always love having these conversations and hope to do it again soon. Thanks, brother. Thanks a lot. Well, as always, thank you to Darcy for coming on here and spending time. I hope you found that interesting again to kind of get a different kind of skeptical point of view, right? Like, what should we believe? Who should we believe?

Why should we believe them? And those are some of the things that kind of stuck out to me in, you know, a lot of those topics. One of the things that's always interested me is the idea of this Galactic Federation. You know, I've looked into that. I've studied the theories on it. Who says that, you know, it's real. And you heard us talk about it there at the end of the episode. Of course, we can't really have any real physical proof.

that the galactic federation is an actual thing that is going on, this idea that, you know, aliens, non-humans are working with citizens of Earth, high-powered officials from multiple nations. The U.S., from what I've heard, it was the U.S. in Germany and Israel, I believe France and Great Britain, and maybe a few others, but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. So, I mean, can you imagine if that's true? But we don't know.

And that's what Darcy was getting at was, why should we trust the different people who say that, yeah, this is the case, just because, and I think this is a fair point, and this is something that I thought it before, which is why I reiterated it there when we were talking, which is, should we believe somebody just because they have a title in front of their name?

And this goes to the bigger question, which is, who should we believe? What is the threshold for trustworthiness? Because there's a lot of people, excuse the voice still cracking, there's a lot of people who we could say, why should we trust you? You're just telling us something. Are you showing us anything? And that's where a lot of the disconnect happens, right? Insert name, you know, in that conversation, I'm not going to paint it.

any pictures on anybody, but you can probably think of a few people on your own when it comes to this topic. People who come out and have these really bold claims and they're well known and they might say, this is going to happen on this date or watch out for this or this is what I'm hearing and I can't really tell you where it's coming from, but this is what I know to be true. So the question is, and I'm not saying we shouldn't believe any of these people, I've all You know, I've always been on the side of we need to consider what's being said. I'm never one to shut somebody out. I don't like that.

I don't like when people do that. I find it, quite frankly, really annoying when someone just says, oh, now screw them. They're a liar. Well, how do you know they're a liar? Like, let's consider what people are saying. Now, there are some people that I look at myself and say, you know, I might kind of give a side eye to other people more than others. Again, it's probably driving you crazy

and not saying any names, but I don't want to throw anybody under the bus. But it's true, even for me, right? I mean, I'm human. There are other people that I tend to give more of a side eye now these days than I did, maybe say, two years ago. As I've become more entrenched

than the conversations, as I've met some more people in person and had face-to-face conversations, I've been able to have a better gauge, I think, anyway, personally, on who I think is more believable versus others. But that's my own personal

standpoint on some of the bigger, you know, I guess you can say bigger figures within the UFO topic. But if we are to just put it out there as a general blanket statement and say, well, why should I believe you without proof? We can say that about anybody

about anything. We can say that about UFOs and aliens in general. I mean, really, And when you get down to the bottom of it, have we seen a piece of wreckage that has been presented in a very public manner at congressional hearing? No. Have we seen biologics? Have we seen a physical body that we can confidently say is not a photoshopped picture, is not some type of government sciop that was put out to make people believe one thing or another? Can we confidently say that some of the videos or pictures that we believe to be true over the years are really what we think?

Can we 100% say that? The answer is no. Now, do I believe that a lot of the things that we've seen in the past are true? Yeah, my personal belief is a lot of the pictures or videos that have come out showing, you know, possible aliens or craft are true. That's just my personal belief based off of my own research or conversations with people. But my overall point, I think you get the point, which is where is the threshold, right? So if we're talking about even these outlandish, what seemed to be outlandish science fiction-worthy claims of something like a Galactic Federation or Stargates or Space Soldiers, you know, someone like Randy Kramer, you know, using some type of time travel where he's taking. his story is wild.

I did an episode on him way, way, way back at the beginning of UAP. We could always search that out. I think it was like within the first 20 episodes, if I remember correctly, on Randy Kramer. I went into his story like a deep dive on that. And like the first 20 episodes of UAP, maybe I'll put a best of out of that one one of these days since it's at the top of my head.

But, you know, his story in a nutshell was he's taken as a child. He's put in part of this space program on Mars. he spends decades there fighting aliens and it becomes like a higher up as far as, you know, in this space military. He becomes like a ranking, you know, member of it. And then eventually it's sent back to his body as a child like nothing ever happened. So some type of, you know, using some type of time war. But he spends decades on Mars in this space program fighting alongside good aliens versus bad aliens, which were the reptilians. This is what Randy Kramer says happened.

Again, of course, that sounds like science fiction. So do you just take it as that? Do you take it as the ramblings of a madman? Or do you take it as someone who is within this realm of people who are trying to blow the whistle on this ultra-secret, truly unbelievable facet of, you know, the military to say that this is going on? It's something that's always intrigued me because it's just. just so incredibly out there. You know what I mean? Like, what if that is true?

That's unbelievable. That's wild. So it just kind of to encapsulate it all, where do we draw the line? Is it because someone has, you know, the name lieutenant or colonel or former head of this division in the Pentagon or former head of this scientific group just because they have that title, doctor, scientist, whatever it might. be, does that mean that we should believe everything they say versus someone who doesn't have a title but says that they were abducted? You know, if Joe Blow comes out and says, yeah, I've been

abducted by aliens since I was five years old and I've been going through it for 30 years. Here's my scans that show implants in my body. Here's my medical records that show unexplained health conditions that can't be attributed to anything else other than being, have been exposed to all these different elements, but we're not going to believe that guy. You see what I'm saying? So it's kind of that back and forth, that tug of war of who do we put our stock in and why?

And that's, I think, the overall arching conversation. And the main point that I wanted to get out here today with this conversation, with this episode, and having that interview with Darcy Weir to kind of present the skeptical side versus, well,

then, you know, where do we believe? When do we start believing? Who do we believe? And what stories? What stories are more believable than others? You know, is it just innately, hey, we see that? Someone says they saw something in the sky? Okay, that's believable. Versus I was abducted by gray aliens and brought on their ship versus I was a space soldier. So obviously there's levels of believability because that's just how our minds work.

And it could even take us to, you know, other, like we said, prophecies, right? Darcy Rear spoke about prophecies. Again, insert name there of who might be speaking about prophecies these days when it comes to things that are, you know, are supposed to change, we're supposed to have these great awakenings. Do we take that at face value? You know, these great discoveries in Egypt within this year that will show us this new knowledge, right?

That's a big talking point right now. Is that really going to happen? Because one prominent person says that, might, but that's another one of those topics where it's like we have to kind of wait and see what happens. Maybe something really is going to happen or maybe it's just trying to grab headlines and grab attention. So again, that's really where we find ourselves these days. Even with the conversation about, you know, a supposed disclosure speech from President Trump in July, right? I mean, I reported on it obviously heavily. I don't know what's going to happen.

I had Mark Christopher Lee here on the show. I believe what he is. He's saying, I believe that he believes it's true. But will it really happen? I don't know. And so that's kind of like the whole thing here, which is where do we land and how do we decide what we believe and who do we do we believe and when? What is that threshold? Is there really a giant space objects come towards Earth in 2027?

That continues to be a talking point. Even as recently as the past couple of days, that conversation has come up again. because of some supposedly high-ranking officials that say they briefed, you know, members in D.C. about this behind the scenes. So we're just supposed to take it at face value. We have no idea what's going to come. We have no idea of some of these claims are true. Maybe they are. Maybe they're not.

But you know what? I like to ask the questions and I like to consider it, which is why I'm happy I was able to do that here today with Darcy Weir and with you to really kind of just wrap all this up. and really put it into perspective and ask those questions to ourselves and say, you know, kind of where do we land on this as a big picture? So in the end, I guess it's always up to you, right?

Just like we always say here. And just for the record, of course, I personally do believe that, you know, there is other life out there, which is why I find it so fascinating. I personally believe that I have seen enough and heard enough over the years to, I mean, leave no doubt in my mind that there is something going on.

I don't know what it is. Where they come from? How long have they been around? What are they? Obviously, I don't know any of that. But there's, I've seen more than enough, in my opinion, to fully believe that there is something else going on within our universe that presents other life. And that has been here before and been here many times, maybe here right now, uses sometimes. of craft, but I can't explain any of that.

Hopefully we can one day. But yes, I believe I've seen enough to at least believe those basic things. Do you? Well, maybe we'll find out more in the coming days, weeks, months, or even years. But you know, I'm always going to do my best to give it all to you here on UAP. And I'll do that next time as well in episode 190. I want to cover next week on the new episode of discussion that is really. become hot and heavy, which is, what are they?

Right? I kind of just said it a few seconds ago. We don't know what these beings are. Well, one of the big prevailing theories that seems to be at the top of government lists and many people who are new to the topic is the theory that aliens or demons. My belief is it is way out of line to make that blanket statement. Is it a possibility that, you know, maybe some of the phenomenon goes back to some type of supernatural demonic activity.

Of course, that could be a part of it. But this blanket statement lately that aliens are demons, that's it, done, I think that's absolutely asinine. So I want to kind of do like a deep dive on that. And hopefully I can do that next week. That's just my overall thought right now. So hopefully I can get into that next. next week and also something planned for next week that I'm not going to get too specific on because I feel like every time I get super specific on a plan, it doesn't pan out and I jinx it.

So I'll just say this, that if it pans out, it's going to be a great interview. Someone I've had on the show before, but someone of great importance to the topic that I very much look forward to having the opportunity to speak to again and I think would be very, very important to the topic right now as a whole. So I'll just leave it at that and say the plans are in the works and hopefully that does pan out for next week as well. So still a lot on tap and a lot of plans in my head that I want to work on here on UAP. There's just so much that I want to get to that hopefully I can actually get to here one day on the show. But until then, be sure to follow along wherever you get your podcasts on all the major platforms on Apple and Spotify,

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So at UA Podcast 850 on those channels. And of course, I always say you can send me messages there or through email S-Diener, UAP, at gmail.com, if you want to do that as well. But on that note, I hope everybody enjoyed this one. I hope you enjoyed it and took something away from it, maybe new ideas, sparks and new conversations to kind of go back and forth on these topics here today.

It was a lot of fun for me to be able to kind of have this conversation back and forth. so hopefully you enjoyed it as well. So thank you again for everything. And for all the support, you know what means the world to me. It really, truly does. So thank you, as always. So until next time, it's Stephen Deanie here saying, be well. I'm glad that I was able to get some voice back to come on here and talk to you today.

Can't wait to do it again soon. It'll be right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.