UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 192 The Case For Aliens part 2: The Bad

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

In part two of this series, Stephen Diener lays out the case for aliens possibly having a malevolent origin and agenda based off of biblical history, reported incidents during exorcisms, first hand abduction accounts, and some even more surprising sources. Listen and decide for yourself as we move on from the "good" to the "bad" in this special series... See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Stephen Dean, are back with you here, as always, on episode number 192 of the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thanks so much for coming back here to you, UAP, and for coming back for part two in this special three-part series for the case for aliens, the good, the bad, and the others. And this is, well, this is the bad. I mean, and hopefully you'll enjoy the episode as a good episode, but you know what I mean?

In the previous one in part one, we went over the, well, you know, the good side of the alien. phenomenon, the UAP phenomenon, and looked at some of the options, looked at some of the stories there and some of the theories about how the UAP phenomenon could be connected to something good, maybe even some type of angelic force going back into biblical times versus how it's looked at now by some who are, you know, big figures in the topic and even how it's looked at by other priests and Vatican officials. We went into some of those things and even looked at healings that were possibly connected with the UAP phenomenon and abductions themselves.

So those were the good things, the good side connected reportedly with the UAP phenomenon and alien interaction, abductions. But what about the bad? And I kind of said at the end of part one that this actually had a lot to it, unfortunately. And I don't know if that means it's a stronger case or maybe there's just more stories for whatever reason or theories about the bad side of the OAP phenomenon and close encounters with non-human beings. That said, I think we can kind of pick up on one idea that we mentioned here to start episode

one, which was about fallen angels. I kind of mixed that in at the beginning of episode one when it came to stories of the Nephilim fallen angels intermingling breeding with human women to create these, you know, giants that they speak about in the Bible, the Nephilim, these supernatural hybrids, if you will, that are discussed in the Old Testament. And some people look at that, as I mentioned in part one, as in other episodes of UAP, actually, some people look at that, as we know, some type of maybe, you know, alien connection, as far as the human-alien hybrid experimentation that we hear about today with alien abductees.

So maybe that had some type of connection to it. So to kind of pick up on that on the fallen angel theory to kind of start off here on the bad side of things, if we look at that end and maybe kind of extrapolate that out a little bit when it comes to what people talk about on the fallen angels, the stories of fallen angels within the Bible, and bring that into some of the abduction stories. because obviously what really kind of motivated me and gave me the spark of inspiration to even start this three-part series was actually some of the stuff I'm going to be talking about here within this particular episode. It was the bad, quite frankly.

It was the bad about all the things connected reportedly that people talk about with alien abductions and close encounters and sightings, different feelings that they have or different health conditions that might arise from it, or different possible demonic connections to it that are talked about in different circles, even in the halls of Congress,

and the halls within the Pentagon, reportedly, where this is spoken about of having some type of demonic influence or connection to it when it comes to aliens themselves. So that conversation, that idea was really the inspiration for kind of having this three-part series to begin with, and it evolved and blossomed out from that idea to begin with. So when I was thinking about this and starting to write about it, this part here is really where it all started

when it comes to where did it all begin? If we look back at the fallen angel stories and even possibly into the Nephilim realm, where we talk about this intermingling with human women, then maybe we can even take it from there when we talk about these fallen angels being aliens to begin with. Are they misrepresented in a way

throughout time, throughout history? What we call aliens now were fallen angels who became demons then. And when we talk about abductions or we talk about some type of demonic activity where it maybe kind of connects to an extreme form of possession. Now, I know these all might sound like, you know, outlandish theories, especially if you've experienced something like this before. You might even say to yourself,

no, I've had experiences, and I've never had a connection to any of those things. And if so, then by all means, like I said, we're discussing the different theories on this. And this is, you know, where we're discussing the bad parts. But there are people who do have those connections. and there are people, a plethora of people that I've heard about, stories that I've read about or been spoken to about when it comes to close encounters or abductions even where they have very negative experiences. So is a possible that maybe we're dealing with some type of, you know,

I don't know, some type of ancient evil, right? We talk about the ancient alien theories and things like that. Is it possible that we're dealing with some type of ancient evil that we can't even comprehend that is, presenting itself in the modern day as the alien phenomenon. Maybe, I don't know, but it's worth looking into it here with these stories. Because when you talk about the abduction stories for people, like I said, on the bad side, we do hear a lot about similarities on what people experience.

If you look at hypnotic regression sessions, I've played some of those here on the show in past episodes throughout the years where people are straight up terrified. I mean, I've played some of those recordings. And I, they're ingrained to my memory. So if you've heard those episodes from the past where I played some of those regression therapy sessions, the actual recordings of some of the abduction, you know, victims who they say, you know, these people are actual victims of alien abduction. And you listen to these therapy sessions and these people are under hypnotic regression.

You hear the sheer terror in their voices as they begin to remember what they experienced. A lot of them begin to cry. A lot of them begin to scream in agony and in complete fear as they think back during their regressive state through hypnosis on what they experienced during their abductions. And now a lot of times that's because for two reasons. Number one, it's the brain's natural defense mechanism to bury traumatic experiences. We know that's a thing within psychology, even just when it comes to traumatic experiences. in everyday life outside of the UAP phenomenon. Or two, it could be some type of memory wipe that is done during abduction cases, during

abduction events. Now, there's always arguments as to why people can't remember their different abduction scenarios or events or why it's spotty. So I guess make it what you will one of those two things. But why are they having these traumatic experiences? Where is the fear coming from? Is the fear just because it? It is a very unnatural and unrecognized feeling or unrecognized face, the visuals that you're seeing.

You're seeing these other beings who look scary to you. You don't recognize them. They don't look normal. So your natural reaction is to have a very fearful reaction. I mean, sometimes people have fearful reactions just with, you know, everyday animals or insects. My kids see a snake and my daughter will go running away. I see a spider and I'm going to walk the other way. So I mean, sometimes we have those reactions even if we know what it is.

But what about the things that we're not familiar with, like an alien? And if someone's in a hypnotic regression and like kind of referring to again, because I really, some of those recordings, not to keep harpy on it, but when I think back on those recordings that have played here on the show in the past, they really are kind of burned into my memory because they were almost traumatic to listen to, to listen to the sheer terror and panic in people's voices as they were going through these regression sessions. So why are they having those reactions? Is it because, again, just the not being familiar with the scenario?

Or is it because they're experiencing something truly evil, such as in some type of demonic possession or demonic entity? So you hear a lot about, and that's really what struck me in reflecting on this and writing about it. this topic and writing these episodes out over the past couple of weeks. And I mentioned in the first episode that this is actually, these are ideas and theories and thoughts that I've been putting together for a couple of years, really, quite frankly, little, little in a couple of weeks. When I say a couple of weeks, I mean just the three-part series. But when I talk about these ideas and everything I'm discussing here today,

this has been running through my head for two or three years. So when I put this together here, these are the kinds of thoughts that really kind of, I don't want to say plague me, but that really make me wonder the most about what we are dealing with here. When I hear about these abduction scenarios from people and the similarities that people continue to report throughout the decades about these feelings of fear, about these feelings of uneasiness, you don't want to go, you're being forced to go, you're being put in this, you know, paralyzed states. Some people attribute that to sleep paralysis. Now, I'm going to speak from experience here. I actually have sleep paralysis myself. I actually just had about a sleep paralysis a few nights ago, if I'm being honest.

I've never been abducted by aliens that I know of, that I remember. I've never had a close encounter experience. That's, I mean, as of now, I can say that. I don't know what's going to happen in the future. But I've never had some type of, you know, shadow figure or demonic experience, God forbid, or some type of, you know, alien experience with my sleep paralysis bouts. It's usually over within a few seconds. I snap out of it and then I can move.

It's not a lot of fun. But that's what some people attribute to the abduction scenarios. They attributed to when these people say, well, I can't move. I was made paralyzed. They say it's sleep paralysis. I personally, someone who has experienced sleep paralysis, have never had an experience like that before where I end up being abducted by aliens. So I'm not sure how much I have personally bought that theory over the years.

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sense of right and wrongs. They don't have any type of morality to them. They don't like they're looking at humans, obviously. If we're looking at those accounts, just based on those accounts of abduction victims, not to mention the numerous accounts of people who say that they feel like they've been experimented on, that they feel like they've had implants in them,

that they've had unexplained medical conditions that remain negative medical conditions, not the one, not the healing ones we're talking about in part one, that these things are documented medically and they can't be explained. So when you add all those things together just on the abduction scenario side, then it's kind of hard to look at all that and say we're dealing with something good or that we're dealing with something angelic or something benevolent that has our best interest at heart. If we're looking at those accounts, it sounds like we're dealing with something that doesn't care about us and that is just looking at us as some type of thing that they want. want to take an experiment on, which actually takes us to a clip here of someone I think that we all are familiar with, a man named Bob Lazar. That's how supposedly the aliens look at us, that we are nothing but containers.

Maybe containers of souls, you can come up with whatever theory you want, that were containers, and that's how we're mentioned in the documents, that religion was specifically created, so we had some rules and regulations for the sole purpose and not damaging the container. All right, so they look at us like containers. Now, you are probably familiar with that clip. That's a famous clip from Bob Lazar, who, of course, was the godfather of whistleblowers. It's probably the right term to go about there. I guess, I mean, that's what I'll call him, of course, going back to the late 80s,

where he says he worked at S4, a secret, you know, hangar, a secret compartment or department, if you will, for the U.S. government in the deserts of Nevada where he says he worked on alien ships reverse engineering. I think we're all familiar with Bob Lazar for the most part. And that was an old interview that he had back, I want to believe, I think actually that was 1989 or the early 90s, where he gave that, you know, very viral clip saying that the aliens look at us as containers. That was something that he supposedly read in a classified briefing, a briefing that he wasn't supposed to read, but apparently he read anyway. And that, that clip has been played and dissected many times before on other shows and, and other investigations. But it's worth playing here because I think

it does connect. And the other things he was talking about, too, where he read in that clip about, you know, religion was created as basically this system to keep us in check so we don't hurt the containers for the aliens didn't want the containers to get spoiled. They didn't want the containers to get ruined. So like you said, containers for what? Are they harvesting our souls? Are they using us for as containers for some type of biological material that they need? Containers for DNA, something that they need in their own genome, something that they're missing. And, you know, they need to harvest something out of our own body when it comes to DNA or biological material organs.

Who knows, right? I mean, I think these are all options if we're going to take that as gospel from Bob Lazar. Now, one thing that people have brought up in that clip has been maybe he was. was shown a folder on purpose with disinformation in it to see if he would spread it or not. So you can go back and forth and people have over the past 30 years on whether or not he was actually privy to sincere information when it came to the origins or the motives of extraterrestrials or whether he was given disinformation as some type of sciop. We can't really say for sure, I suppose.

I guess it just depends on where you land in the... in that theory, you know, within those camps. But it is interesting because it makes me think of something even before what Bob Lazar was saying. Again, I felt like this was important to kind of tie all together because he mentions, you know, us being containers. Again, for what? I'm not sure. But if these aliens are some type of, you know, higher being or even some type of supernatural evil entity, maybe they would be using us as containers for some type of source or material.

And when you look at what he said about religion being used to keep us in check, well, this pertains back, again, if you're thinking about whether or not he was given real information, it makes me think about looking back on the Jimmy Carter episode. This goes back to the late 70s during Jimmy Carter's presidency, where he was supposedly told, and I did an episode on this, it's actually one of my, um, most memorable episodes, at least for me, it was called The Tears of Jimmy Carter. I always enjoyed that title. I think it was episode 74.

And that was a title I came up with that, if I say so myself, I was pretty proud of. But it was called The Tears of Jimmy Carter. And it covered the entirety of the story that talks about how Jimmy Carter was supposedly told in a classified briefing in the Oval Office that, well, basically that, that aliens created us through experimentation. and that they created religion as a way to keep us in check. And that's exactly what Bob Lazar said he saw in a classified briefing over a decade later. And just as maybe a little bit more of a reminder on this story,

I think it fits well here to put this together. This actually was Eric Davis, a famous physicist who speaks on these matters. I believe he was in the Age of Disclosure documentary that came out recently. This was him talking about the Carter meeting and someone who told him that it actually happened. Jesse Davis was talking about, I'm sorry, Jesse I'm thinking about Eric Davis. Jesse Michaels was talking about this with him on his podcast, American Alchemy. Here's Eric Davis talking about this on that episode with Jesse Michaels. I know that Alonzo McDonald confirmed to several of us. He talked to the staff that attended that briefing. He talked to Carter. And it happened. He even sent us

the June. I don't remember the date in June, but I've got the document, but it's June 1997. It was an economic meeting in the National Security Council meeting room. But then when it came time for this classified UAP or UFO program briefing, they moved it to the Oval Office. But he said this was it. This is the real deal. This really happened. So pretty interesting information coming from Eric Davis there again on the American Alchemy podcast with Jesse Michaels. And that was a great interview if you want to go check out Jesse's podcast.

It was really interesting. I believe it was Eric Davis and Eric. Weinstein, two physicists, is kind of going back and forth in the whole topic. So great job by him. But that was something that, you know, I found to be very apropos, I guess I could say, when it came to this discussion. Because here we are talking about Bob Lazar's comments from the late 80s, early 90s, about us being containers. And then we look at how that connects to the Jimmy Carter, this famous Jimmy Carter alien briefing that supposedly took place in the Oval Office. And then you hear Eric Davis there saying, yeah, this really happened.

I was told by guys within the Carter administration that this was a thing and it did take place. So it really does come down to if we're looking at this information, does this play into the theories that maybe we are dealing with an entity that is not good? That is not on the angelic side. That doesn't have our best interest at heart. And is it something that is demonic of nature or is it just some type of entity that is higher than us that has evil intentions for us? Well, I think that question is about to get a lot more

interesting because we're going to get into someone here named Father Chad Rippaker. Now, first off, who is Father Chad Rippaker? If you don't know who he is, he's a Catholic priest within the Archdiocese of Denver. He's a theologian, and he just happens to be one of the most world-renowned exorcists as well. This is a man who has given many lectures and does a lot of public commentary on spiritual warfare and metaphysics. Very, very interesting guy and has had a lot of very, very interesting experiences when it comes to the spiritual realm and fighting off demonic influence.

It's absolutely fascinating to listen to. And if you're like me and you find a lot of these things very interesting, then you can look him up. and look into some of his interviews that he's done in the past, because it's really, really intriguing stuff, very compelling. And he's a great speaker. And he's very compelling in the way that he puts his stories together. He's a great storyteller.

But recently, Father Chad Ripper was a guest on the Sean Ryan show. And I went and watched some of these clips. I actually saw about an hour and a half of the interview, which is very hard for me to sit and watch a podcast. And let me just say that as a side note to kind of illustrate how much I respected this interview because I am, it's going to say, it's kind of contradictory to what I do. But I'm not really a consumer of podcasts. I don't listen to podcasts. I know this is crazy.

I don't watch podcasts. At the very most, I will watch 30 second clips of different shows or listen to 30 second clips of different shows, mainly because I'm too busy making my own. show and doing my own research. So a lot of times I just don't have the time or the bandwidth to go and watch and consume other media. Like I said, a lot of times it just ends up being 30 second, one minute or two minute clips of other shows. And that's how I end up consuming some of these, you know, more well-known shows, a couple

that I've even mentioned here today. But with this interview from the Sean Ryan show, I couldn't help but to really just become enthralled in their conversations. It's a four-hour episode. There's no way I was getting through that. No disrespect to Sean Ryan and his team and his show, but there's no way I'm getting through a four-hour episode. But I was enthralled enough to actually put aside some of my own tasks to sit through an hour and a half. And it was great because it helped me put my thoughts together and actually grab some of these clips to put together with this show here today.

So this really helped me put the puzzle. This helped me create the puzzle for this three-part. series. It was actually the missing pieces I felt from Father Chad Ripper in these clips from the Sean Ryan show. So I do appreciate this interview and give them credit for these clips because this was actually one of the things that when I was talking about in part one where I was trying to piece this together and I was trying to figure out what this was going to be when I made this episode. Originally it was just going to be one episode. And then I started hearing these clips and that's when I thought to myself, oh my gosh, this is just exactly what I was looking for. It helped

me, it was just perfect timing. It came out of nowhere for me. And it just was that bolt of lightning that put the final pieces together to what turned into this three-part series. So this is kind of like the main piece of this entire conversation, or these clips here that I'm about to play because it really did connect everything, the good, the bad, and the others. So as we get into Father Chad Ripperker here, he starts talking about.

how some of this when it comes to the alien topic, because they started talking about the alien topic and how it might connect to demonic activity and possession, believe it or not. And it got to some really interesting stuff. And Father Chad Rippaker did not laugh it off. He didn't kind of poo-poo it or wave it away. He actually dove into it and said, yeah, this is something that I come across a lot. And believe it or not, we might have some answers to this. So this is where he talks about how maybe this whole thing, when it comes to the alien topic, the UIP phenomenon, might be a distraction all in itself from demons.

Take a listen. This is something we have to consider. If you listen to the people who have been alienly abducted, it's always like the aliens are always telling them, oh, yeah, we're here to save humanity. Well, that's Jesus Christ's role, not aliens. We're here because human beings can't save themselves and we're here to, and we're here to basically usher in a new era. Yeah, that's because people, the elites want to get away from the, or at least the demons, want to get away from Christianity as the ruling ethos that affects, you know, the world cultures, etc. So the very same things that the demons actually want is the same type of stuff that you hear the aliens actually talking about and, you know, going into. So for me, it just looks like a diabolic diversionary tactic.

So really interesting to consider that first part there. Now, of course, he's coming at this topic through a Catholic priest lens. So, of course, when he's talking about mixing, you know, what he sees with the alien topic and mixing it with Catholic theology, of course, that's where he's coming from with all this. But he says it for a reason. And this is why when I heard these clips, I'm like, oh, my God. this is kind of exactly what I was looking for to connect to all this, because it really does highlight the conversation that we've been having here today, which is what is the crux of all this to begin with?

Where does this phenomenon stem from? And is it really just coming from that one demonic place? And of course, this was a question that has been asked many times over, especially since Obama and Trump talked about this a month ago or so now when that was in the news, when they were both talking about it, the main reaction I saw from a lot of people was, don't fall for this,

it's a distraction, it's demons, and that gave me a reaction personally that said, there's no way that it's all coming down to demonic influence. That was my thinking coming into this, which was, yeah, maybe some of it is distraction, maybe some of it stems from some type of demonic influence. That could absolutely be the case.

Maybe some, but not all. Well, I don't know. This is where Father Chad Ripper is coming from on his view and what he has experienced as a world-renowned exorcist. Here's another clip where he goes into how, believe it or not, and I will spell out of my chair when I heard this the first time, how demons actually appear sometimes during exorcisms and they manifest in a physical form. Here's what he says. I do know other exorcists where they would, in session, they would actually, once the demon manifested, they would manifest in literally looking like an alien with the eyes and the small mouth and the whole bit turning gray. And they even call themselves gray. And they try and lie to the exorcist by saying, oh, well, we're not angels, good angels and we're not bad angels.

We're not bad angels. We're not either good nor bad. No, dude, you're just a demon. First off, can I just mention how I love how he refers to the demons as no dude? I don't think I've ever referred to a demon as no dude, but he has more experience than I do. But I mean, wow. All kidding aside, obviously that is a wow moment where he mentions other exorcists telling him, yeah, I've seen aliens during exorcisms. Like, let that thought kind of sink in for a second. That is not a small thing.

That according to these exorcists, um, you know, know, details, these priests are seeing aliens, gray aliens, during the exorcisms. And not only seeing gray aliens during the exorcisms, but the bigger part here is that the demons are manifesting as gray aliens. Now, why is that? Now, to me, there's two options. And for Father Rippaker, he's coming at this again as a lens of, well, that's how they're manifesting.

so that's what they are, that's gray aliens or demons. Now, I'm going to ask another question. I'm going to throw out another scenario here. My scenario is, well, that's obviously one, that, you know, kind of cut and dry there of what Father Rippaker presents. But my other scenario is what if the demons in an exorcism are presenting as gray aliens because that is a form of trickeration that they are using on a person. priest in that form or in that moment to distract away from what is going on around them. And so I'm kind of, you know, extrapolating out a little bit on Father Ripper's story there

and his thesis, which is that gray aliens are demons because demons are presenting as gray aliens during exorcisms. I'm taking that a step further and saying, well, maybe not always the case. What if it's just that these demons are presenting as gray aliens because they're messing with a priest's head? Because they know that a priest might have some type of, you know, inclination toward the idea that gray aliens or that aliens exist. So they're going to present as something that might throw them off. You know what I'm saying? So not necessarily the demons would be aliens themselves, but that they're just appearing as that.

just as they might appear as a family member, just as they might appear as a friend or someone that you know or might recognize, then they might appear as an alien just to throw you off. So I'm just throwing that other scenario out there as Father Rippiger presents that incredible detail from exorcisms that these demons are appearing as grays.

Again, if you want to consider the connection between, you know, exorcisms and the alien phenomenon, which kind of just blew my mind as it was putting this together. But that, it doesn't end there. In fact, this clip here with Father Rippaker is exactly the one, if there was one thing that led me down this path to make these episodes, it's literally this one thing here. This is something I heard about, a phenomenon I heard about two or three years ago,

that made me start to really. dig into this side of things and how it might connect to the UAP phenomenon. And he mentioned it during his interview with Sean Ryan. Here's a clip about how the name of Jesus has actually played into abduction scenarios. To the people who are in these abduction situations will actually cry out to Jesus. And then, then boom, all of a sudden the abduction situation stops and they're sitting back and they're bed or whatever the case actually is. yeah I mean that what do we do with that I mean do we look at that report and say okay that's just BS it's

somebody making something up or is it psychosomatic is it a coincidence or is there really something to that that is again that's something that I heard for the first time a few years ago and it's it's it's always stuck in my head as a question of well what does that mean you know what do what is that mean that alien abduction scenarios, alien abduction events have stopped

according to witnesses, according to people who have, you know, claimed to be in that situation, that the abduction stops as soon as

they mention the name of Jesus. What are we to do with that? Why would an alien? Again, this is a question that's been on my mind for a long time,

so I'm glad that these episodes finally came together here, and I can finally put this out. So why would an alien or why would another being an extraterrestrial in the name of Jesus stop what they're doing and leave? Now, would that happen in a kidnapping situation? Would a kidnapper, you know, a human-on-human situation? Would a kidnapper stop if I was to say to them in the name of Jesus be gone? You know, in the name of Jesus, leave me alone? Maybe it would.

Maybe they would be freaked out and leave. Or maybe they would say, screw you and take me anyway and throw me in the back of a van. I don't know. But what I find interesting here is the supernatural aspect that obviously, without a doubt, there is a supernatural aspect here when it comes to the alien abduction phenomenon

and how it intermingles with Christianity, how it intermingles with invoking the name of Jesus. And you hear Father Rippecor, a world-renowned exorcist, a the theologian, someone who has a lot of respect behind his name in these fields. And he doesn't see these stories lightly.

He says them as a matter of fact. He doesn't preface it with, well, I know this sounds crazy, but no, he's giving you these stories. Matter of fact, here's what's happened. Here's what people say about it. I can tell you this is what has happened. So what do we do with that? is it because there is some type of connection?

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they'll try and do that in a section where they're just trying to distract you by something that and that they know that is not true, but they're hoping you'll believe it's true because then from there they can manipulate you. So he boils it down to manipulation, distraction, diabolical distraction. That's what he kind of boils down the UAP phenomenon in alien abductions, alien encounters. he boils it down to some type of, you know, demonic, diabolical interaction and distraction scenarios, distraction tactics to take us away from the things that really matter. Now, again, he's speaking matter-of-factly. These are his opinions.

But it's absolutely worth taking into account considering his real-life experiences and others around him who practice the same type of exorcisms that he has done over the years as well and how it's played into alien interactions. We have to put this into consideration when it comes to this conversation. And it's kind of mind-bending to try to figure out how it fits into everything. So again, does this account for every single alien report and study and story over the decades and even centuries? I don't think so.

And in fact, I'm going to touch on that in part three when we go over the others, right? The good, the bad, and the others. And there's a lot to discuss with the others. But before we get to part three, we've got to finish off part two. And a couple of other cases to make here as we finish things off. And actually, this is something that I've thought about a lot as well since I was a kid. And this is even a story that I've never told here on UAP. And as I was making this episode, I thought to myself, you know what, maybe it's time to integrate this.

I think this is the right opportunity, the right time to integrate this story that I've had in my mind, kid you not, since I was a kid, since I was a child. And it refers back to a Marian apparition. Apparitions of the Virgin Mary in a place called Megigori. If you're not familiar with Meggiore, which you're probably not, if you are fantastic. if not, it's a small town on the southwest corner, I believe, of Bosnia-Herzegovina. It's on the border of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. And in 1981, people reported seeing apparitions of the Virgin Mary there at Medjugary.

And ever since then, the Catholic Church has studied whether or not these apparitions are a real thing, right? Kind of like with Fatima. We've all heard of Fatima before, whether or not you are in. into Christianity or the Catholic religion or not, you've probably heard of the secrets of Fatima just because there's been so much speculation about what those might be going back 100 years, right? There's always stories about the secrets of Fatima and the dancing of the sun as it came down to Earth. You know the story, I'm sure.

But there's another one, these apparitions at Meggiore, that maybe are a little bit less known in the overall lexicon of society. And again, this is something that the Catholic Church has investigated for 40 years. and didn't even officially recognize until the past few years. It took them a long time to finally come out and say, yeah, I think we have something here. So why do I bring up these Virgin Mary apparitions, these Marian apparitions of Meggiore?

Well, because believe it or not, yes, they do pertain to aliens. And when I say, how does this connect to even my own childhood, to a personal story? Well, I've always been interested in this topic. And you might have heard me said on some very, very much earlier episodes of UAP, going back to my own exploration within this topic, that it was something that I really actively avoided most of my childhood. It wasn't until about college age where I started to really dig into this more. And then I started to get into ancient Egypt and all these different things. And that kind of opened the door.

It has led me down this path over the years. But as a kid, it was something that, you know, a lot of kids are interested in space and UFOs and aliens. And on a personal side, it was something that I asked my mom about on multiple occasions. Rest her soul, my mom, I asked her about, hey, mom, are aliens real? Right? I mean, I think we probably asked that question once or twice as kids to our parents. Now, my mom was staunch Catholic. I mean, daily mass goer, praying the role.

rosary, you know, pictures and statues up in the house when I was growing up as a kid, the most Catholic person I've ever met to this day. So when I asked her about it, when I was a kid, I said, Mom, are aliens real? You know, I don't know. I'm a little kid. It's, it's, is that a real thing? Her answer to me was something that has stayed with me for about 30 years now. And her answer to me was, Our Lady of Megigori, which is why I'm bringing up Medegori was she said to me,

Our Lady of Medjugori says it's not of God. And she kept it at that. And that is something that's, and now honestly, I never asked again. I never brought it up to her as far as, are aliens real? Now, of course, you know, my dad would watch the X-Files and things like that. So it was on while it was growing up or there would be a documentary or two, whatever it was. It would be on the news. The Phoenix Lights, for instance, happened when I was 11 years old in 1997.

So there was always something that came up But I never asked that direct question again After she gave me that answer Which she said according to our lady of Medjugori It's not of God So when I started thinking about making these episodes I couldn't help but to have that answer That that memory play in my head again

And I think to myself personally in quiet moments as I write these things, I think, well, is that real? Like, is that true? All these years later, 30 years later, after she told me that, does that really pertain now to what we're hearing with people saying that aliens are demons?

So as I started to dig into this topic to make these episodes, I went in and looked back at the stories of Our Lady of Medjugori in those apparitions. And believe it or not, there is actual literature on this. So, here's what I found. According to reports, alleged messages, again, some of this stuff is and is not officially

recognized by the Catholic Church in their investigation, so make of it what you will. But according to these messages from the Virgin Mary Maggiore and these apparitions and the people say they have these apparitions, they've indicated that aliens do not exist in the way that we understand them to exist, meaning, you know, other entities, maybe from other planets or other dimensions. But according to these apparitions of Medjugary, that they rather are interpreted as demons or deceptive spirits. So I came across the information.

I was like, oh my gosh, she was right. 30 years ago, she told me that before Google existed. And but those are the, you know, what has come out according to these. visionaries from these marrying apparitions, that aliens are not of God. And according to some interpretations within the apparitions, they view aliens as spiritual deceptions, kind of like what Father Chad Rippecor was just referring to, rather than extraterrestrial life. Now, again, make of it what you will.

Some, again, like I said, some of the stuff has officially been recognized. some of it hasn't as far as messages are concerned, but the overall apparitions themselves have been recognized as a phenomenon happening in Medjugori in Bosnia-Herzegovina. So personally for me, when I was looking into this, I kind of had a full-circle moment going back to conversations with my late mother when I was like eight or nine years old. So that was just kind of like a full-circle moment for me. And how it connected was almost magical in a way, supernatural in a way.

where I was like, oh my gosh, how does the conversation, childhood conversation from 30 years ago with my mom come back to play into this topic here as I make this episode of UAP? It was kind of a staggering moment for me personally as I was putting this together. Staggering to say the least. But a final note here kind of goes to that same top or to that same source. there's a saint in the Orthodox Church called St. Gabriel of Georgia. No, not Georgia the state, but Georgia the country. And I found it fascinating

how his messages in the early 20th century, the late 19th century, related to this topic. He said, in the years of the Antichrist, people will expect salvation from space. This will be the devil's greatest trick. Humanity will seek help from the aliens. I kid you now, this is the quote.

I'm not making this up. He said, humanity will seek help from the aliens, not knowing that they are actually demons. Wow. So I wasn't looking for that quote, but I was just kind of, you know, searching for other literature that might pertain to this as far as saints or, you know, Christian theology or investigations. And I came across that one and I was like, whoa, that is pretty relevant. So as we put all this together and we kind of wonder, well, what is this? Right? There's a lot of case for bad in this episode.

But it also directly contradicts some of the things we spoke about in the good episode. And listen, I quoted a saint in the first episode with St. Padre Pio. I mean, we spoke about, you know, what he had to say as far as, you know, other life. Of course, of course it exists. St. Padre Pio was quoted as sane. Why wouldn't it exist? We spoke about Father Balducci, a Vatican representative who was friends with Pope John Paul the second, who is also now a saint.

And he spoke about this as being, yes, of course there are other beings, whether they're something that are, you know, coming from other dimensions or other planets, why wouldn't God create other beings? So it all comes back to where do we land on what the UAP phenomenon is? Where does it come from? What are aliens? Who are they? What do they want?

Is it all demonic? Is it some demonic? Is it some angelic? Is it a mix of things? well, we've made the case for both and we'll make the case for the final part, the others, and put it all together here in part three coming up on UAP. But man, this has been an adventure

and I hope I haven't droned on too long about it or bending your mind on all this and so much to consider, but it's just been an adventure for me to go down and really, really do the deepest dive I've ever done on this topic and these ideas to put it all together and have these ultimate considerations. But ultimately, you know, there is a fine line between falling for distraction. If we're talking about the distraction scenarios, there's kind of a fine line between falling

for being distracted by it versus what I think what I'm doing and what others are doing, which is really, truly just trying to find answers to the. unknown aspects of the phenomenon. I think that's the case, right? Or am I being tricked? Or others being tricked? Am I falling for a distraction? And so these are questions that I have to ask myself as I go through these investigations

and present these scenarios to you. I don't think I'm falling for distraction. I understand what's at stake here. I understand what's at play and the different scenarios and the different truths that might play into this as a whole. But maybe some others are being distracted. or being led down a certain path, which we're seeing, I think, on the government side of things,

because I've heard before many times that, you know, the question of good versus evil might be the most polarizing aspect on the congressional side of things, on the governmental side of things within the Pentagon. That's polarizing aspect within the phenomenon. Then it might be the biggest hurdle to overcome internally when it comes to what is going to be disclosed

versus what is going to be kept hidden in secret from public knowledge because there are some within those governmental, you know, power struggles and those positions of power that don't want to acknowledge these things because they feel like it does pertain to a battle of good versus evil or the supernatural. And they don't want to touch on that because they feel like it's too much, it's too much for the public to handle. I don't know. But that's what's happening right now,

and those are the discussions that are being had, and we have to ask ourselves, where do we lie? Where do we fall in this discussion of good versus evil and the UAP phenomenon? As always, it's up to you. But there is one more aspect to discuss here, like I said, and that will happen in part three as we look at the others,

everything else that we haven't touched on concerning the UAP phenomenon such as crash retrievals, biologics, bodies recovered. How do we reconcile all those things? And the multiple sightings throughout time and history going up to right now in current times. How do we put all that together with what we've spoken about in the past two parts of this series? We're going to do it. We're going to discuss it all in part three of the case for aliens, the good, the bad, and the others. I can't wait to do it with you coming up soon.

And much more coming up here on UAP, even outside of that, some fun interviews planned, including with our good friend Jeff Nusateli. Congressional Witness was part of the Age of Disclosure documentary. And I know he's got a lot of other things going on as well behind the scenes when it comes to working on disclosure. So I'm looking forward to welcoming back, Jeff Nusateli in a future episode here on UAP as well. And a lot of other things going on behind the scenes that I hope to touch on fairly soon. I wish I could touch on it sooner, but hopefully fairly soon. So stick around a lot to come here on UAP.

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days ago. It was a lot of fun. I wasn't expecting to be on a financial podcast, but they wanted to talk to me about this topic. And it was about a 45-minute conversation with guys named Pat and Matthew. Really cool, really fun conversation. So if you want to see me in an interview where I'm being interviewed, then check out the Financial Heat podcast, H-E-A-T. Search for that on YouTube, and you can find me doing that interview there with the hosts on that show. It was pretty cool. But on that note, that will do it here for today for this episode. UAP. I'm glad I was able to get this off my chest. This was cathartic for me in a way to finally be able, and I mean finally be able to do this episode, to do an episode like this, and try to put

it all together in all these different aspects and variables. It was a long time coming for me personally to get all this out there. So I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did to listen to all these different things to consider and maybe even come up with answers of your own. So thank you all again for everything, for all the support, for always coming back and listening to the show and for all the words of encouragement on social media. It really does mean the world to me. So until next time, it is Stephen Deiner right here saying be well. Thanks so much.

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