UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 194 The Case for Aliens part 3: The Others

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

We've heard the case for the good and the bad, but now it's time to close things out with the "others." Stephen Diener finishes off this three part series exploring the possible origins and motives behind extra terrestrials by looking into all of the other scenarios and unanswered questions surrounding our contact with non humans. When we consider these other pieces of the puzzle, there's got to be something else going on besides just angels and demons...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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where so much was revealed there as far as the harassment that he and other witnesses and whistleblowers have been going through the landing, the giant, giant UFO that allegedly landed at Vandenberg in October of 2003. I mean, that was an unbelievable interview. So if you hadn't heard that yet, that really made a lot of waves over the past few days. And I'm happy about that. I'm very happy about that because I was hoping that that would get a lot of attention because I felt it was really important for everybody to hear what was being said in that interview,

given the gravity of the situation and the reports that Jeff was putting out there. So not to draw on about that previous episode, but just, you know, an incredible experience. So we're coming off of that one here on UAP. And as you know, if you heard that episode, I paused the three-part series for the case for aliens series, the good, the bad, and the others. We had our good, we had our bad. And I was about to come out with the episode for the others, but the Jeff Newsatelli interview happened. And by the way, just real quick on that Vandenberg story, when I was talking to him, I thought he was talking about the Red Cube.

That is the famous story from Vandenberg about the Red Cube sighting. That's the one he was involved with. I didn't even know about that other one. And apparently a lot of other people didn't know about it either because that got a lot of attention as well when it came to that giant multi-leveled UFO that he says had, you know, multiple witnesses that came down and landed at Vandenberg in October of 2003. So again, a huge relevatory interview there with Jeff Nusateli. So if you didn't get to hear it, go ahead and listen to that. I highly, highly suggest you listen to it if you didn't get to listen to that one. But you can finish listening to this first because we are going to finish off the three-parts series on the case for aliens.

And we finish off today with the category of others. So what have I meant by that? I kept saying, you know, the good, the bad, and the others. What is that mean? Well, by others, I meant essentially everything else. All of the other things that we've heard about, spoken about, studied, investigated when it comes to the UAP phenomenon. And of course, in parts one and two, we talk, I, you know, kind of specifically zeroed in on the supernatural aspect of this, meaning is it angelic? is it's connected to some type of, you know, biblical references with angels or in some type of angelic beings

and how could it connect to some, you know, some type of heavenly connection. On the other end, we spoke about the possible demonic connections. And so we really zeroed in on those two factors. And I wanted to say, I wanted to kind of hit those hard before coming to the others because this is where we can tie it all together and say, well, if it's one of those things specifically, then what about X, Y, and Z? And that's what we're going to do here today is look at all the X, Y, and Zs of the world when it comes to the topics that we've spoken about over the years.

And, you know, that's what makes this so, I hate to use the word confusing, but maybe confounding or, I guess, just something worthy of investing. because there are so many questions that don't have answers. Like, if it is, if it does really just come down to some type of demonic connection or angelic connection or a little bit of both, then how do we reconcile some of the, so many other stories that are just simply related to flying saucers? Like, what are flying saucers then? Right. Like, let's start there. Are demons or angels piloting flying saucers?

are they piloting the Tic Tac craft, the cigar-shaped craft, the triangle-shaped craft, you know, the cube-shaped craft, all these giant UFOs that we hear about. So if we're talking about some type of supernatural entity being the end-all be-all, right? I can't even tell you many times I've seen this comment from people on social media who have no idea the history of this subject. and all they want to do is just throw out the generalized statement of, this is demonic, don't pay attention to it. And I just think that's, my estimation is, I think that is extremely short-sighted. And that is coming off of the previous two parts where we went over all the possibilities.

So all in all, do I think that some of it could relate to some type of demonic activity? Absolutely. Some of it could. Do I think some of it could relate to some type of angelic activity? Sure, why not? but to sit here and say, and this is why I wanted to go over those first two parts specifically to start off the series,

because to sit here and say that those are the absolute answers, one or the other, it's all this or it's all that, to me, it just shows, I hate to be so kind of rough and gruff with it, but it just shows an extreme level of ignorance where you are going to come out and say,

it's absolutely this or it's absolutely absolutely that. That's short-sighted. It's ignorant to the rest of the conversation, to the rest of the history, to sightings, to experiencers, to firsthand accounts. It's just complete ignorance to, you know, if you just want to go to modern times,

to 100 years of history of this topic. So that said, when you kind of connect that to when we look at the others. again, with something just as simple as sightings. We talk about sightings. Flying saucers or whatever shape you want to talk about, who's piloting those things?

You're telling me demons are flying around and, you know, flying saucers? That doesn't really make much sense to me. And what about crash retrievals? We look at that too. All of the stories about, well, heck, Roswell or the Magenta case. I mean, Magenta, going back to 1933, A lot of people forget about that.

We're talking pre-Roswell. We're talking 14 years before Roswell, where you have this reported UFO crash in Magenta, Italy, and there's a cover-up of it where the Vatican and the Italian government at that point under Mussolini and the U.S. government all reportedly worked together to cover up that crash. and the U.S. government came in and recovered that and supposedly the Vatican worked on recovery as well. I don't know, again, you know, anybody who was a witness to that, but that's one of the stories that a lot of credible people like David Grush has come out to say, yeah, this goes as far back as 1933 with that case right there. So aside from Roswell, I mean, Roswell, we have a ton of details on when it comes to that crash.

all the people who say they worked on the case or all the people who say they, you know, worked with that person or worked with this person or they were at, you know, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base when they brought in the wreckage. I mean, there's a ton of accounts from Roswell over the years. So people say, you know, that they work there or know somebody who worked there. Some of it might be true. Some of it may not be true. But to me, with those two stories, whether there's smoke, there's fire. And there are so many other crash retrieval stories that we've. gone over, you know, throughout the years, the Kexberg Bell in Pennsylvania in the 1960s.

I mean, just one that comes off the top of my head. What about Rendell Shim Forrest? Now, that's not a crash retrieval, but that is an up-close encounter where we have one of the most credible stories ever told. They call it the British Roswell, where you have this craft come down, right? According to the story, 1980 or 1981, Jim Penningston, John Burr. It was the first episode of UAP for goodness sakes back in July of 2021. When I started UAP, I had to make the decision.

Okay, if I'm going to do this show and start telling the stories that interest me and start investigating all these things and relating all these details that have, you know, interested me for a while, if I'm going to do this, I have to start off with a bang and I have to start off with a story that really resonates with me. and when I sat down and thought about it, there was only one thing that I thought was worthy of episode number one of UAP, and that was Rendell Shem Forrest, which is why I started this entire series,

this entire journey and adventure with that one singular story to retell those details. And ever since then, I've incorporated it into other episodes throughout time. So when we talk about that story, where you have this up-close encounter, with two U.S. military members, and then their superiors go out to investigate and they have the same type of encounters. You have physical evidence with Geiger counters that are, you know, picking up radiation residue, you know, from this reported craft that landed, this giant triangle craft that landed in the forest outside of the base in Rendell Shum, England. So these are just some of the bigger examples that where we can look back and say, well,

how can we, you know, when we ask that question, well, how can we really just say it's either good or evil or coming from good or evil, these, you know, a supernatural being, if you will, when we have all these other reports, the others, all these other reports talking about close encounters and crash retrieval and sightings. What do those mean? How do we account for those? And so that's why to me, it's always been kind of, Well, not kind of. It's always been just ignorant of the whole story. It's like reading 10 pages of a book or watching 15 minutes of a two-hour movie

and basing your entire synopsis and your entire thesis off of those 10 pages or 15 minutes. And you're going to come out and tell somebody, oh, well, how'd you like the book or how'd you like the movie? Oh, I thought it was amazing because this happened. Oh, well, that's weird. I didn't like it at all because this happened at the end. And you don't know that because you didn't get the whole story. And that's how I feel when people come out on social media or whatever it may be and they feel like they have all of the answers that, well, this is absolutely demonic,

so stay away from it. No, you can't say that because you can't use absolutes. You can't. You cannot use absolutes when it comes to this subject. When it comes to the topic of the UFO phenomenon, using the word absolutely does not jive. They do not mix. because, and this was really the overall, I guess, thesis statement behind this series,

this three-part series is that there is no one answer. Some of it might actually be connected to something good. Some of it might be connected to something really bad. And some of it is something else. And to say that it is absolutely one of those completely discounts all of the other stories throughout the years. Just in modern times of the past hundred years. We're not even looking back at the 19th century and before.

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the case for others. Well, what would they be? There's definitely a bunch of reports out there from high-ranking officials. One that comes to mind is Paul Hellier, former Canadian Minister of Defense, who testified in front of Canadian Parliament to say that there are multiple species of aliens that are visiting Earth. And he went on, you know, throughout the rest of his life before he passed away to go out and do different interviews and talk about the different species that have been visiting Earth, whether it was the grays or the tall grays or the Palladians or the tall whites,

the Nordics. He spoke about all of these in various interviews and even in front of the Canadian government as a government official himself. So this isn't just, you know, some guy going posting something on Twitter, Paul Hellier was a man of great stature and experience within the Canadian government. Again, just using one example here that spoke about the different species of extraterrestrials. So again, the point to how to use absolutes and say this is, you know, demons all the way through, then you're absolutely discounting. There's the word absolutely discounting someone like Paul Hellier who was,

brave enough to come out and say, no, actually there's all these different species. Some are good or some are bad. Some have come from here, different planets, and some have come from or have been on planet Earth for a long time and some live underground. That's what I mean when I say there are so many different variables to this that there's no way you can use absolutes with this topic. And then we look at people who say they've been guided by different star beings. Make of those stories what you will. But there's a lot of people who say that's, you know, You know, they have dreams of ancestors and these star beings who become their guides throughout life. We have spoken to a few people on the show here that I've spoken about things like that.

Another thing that comes to mind, though, and this is an analogy that has stuck with me for a long time ever since I heard it. It's some Jacques-fil-A. Now, Jacques-Ville is, I guess, maybe the best way to put it is a UFO philosopher, if you want to try to boil it down to something. And he's written a bunch of books on this topic. And he spoke about the theory about, you know, interdimensional beings. And that's one of the things that I land on personally when it comes to where are these extraterrestrials coming from? Because a lot of people say, well, how are they traveling through space? Well, some of them might be using some type of advanced technology that, you know, bends space and time.

And it's essentially time travel in that way. And instead of taking 20 light years, it takes a couple hours. We don't know how that works, but that's one theory. if you're going to use space travel from planet to planet, right? But what about a theory like interdimensional beings? Where does something like that come from? If you think about it in the context of our own three-dimensional world, okay, there could be unseen dimensions that we aren't aware of.

We cannot perceive these other dimensions that are around us. us. And what's happening is you have these other beings who are acutely aware of these extra dimensions and live in these other dimensions. And this is a theory that's been out there. Again, Jacques Valet has really brought this up and I find it very worthy of consideration. And that's at some times what we see when it comes to these craft, when they, you know, pop in, they pop out, or we have these sightings, or we have these close encounters, what's happening is is that these beings or these craft are actually popping into our reality, either momentarily or for a little bit of an extended period of time, because they understand how to break in and out

of these different dimensions. They have a wider perspective than we do, hence interdimensional being theory. And maybe even, and this is just my own thinking, maybe even, maybe even when we talk about instantaneous acceleration, maybe that's a misconception on our part, where we say it was here and then it was just zoom, it's gone. Maybe that zooming away and it's gone is actually you're moving back into an unforeseen dimension. Almost like, you know, now you see it, now you don't.

Where you hold something in front of you and now all of a sudden it's behind your back and it's just gone. And we perceive that as this instantaneous acceleration. And maybe that, you know, something like that, instantaneous acceleration could still be a factor, absolutely, right, with some type of advanced technology. But it also could be, in some cases, where you are moving into this other dimension. You're in, you're out.

And that could be the case on why some sightings appear to be there and then all of a sudden they're gone. And so the theory, or I should say the analogy that Jacques Valet uses is a fly in a box. He talks about how you put a fly in a box. and all the sudden, that's the fly's world, right? Think of it like a square cube, a transparent cube. This flies in this cube. He's flying all around.

He's going on the walls here and there. That's his world. But then all of a sudden, you open up that cube. You take the top off. And there's a whole other dimension to the fly's world. Now this fly is coming out of this box and seeing this entire world. that he didn't even know existed because he was inside of the box. And he uses that analogy.

And that stuck with me throughout the years because it's such a simple, it's such a simple way of putting in. It creates such a simple visual, the way to understand that we could be the fly in the box. We are in our own little boxed up world. And these interdimensional beings are the ones who are outside of the box. and once in a while, that top of the cube that we're in gets taken off. Again, something that has stuck with me throughout the years that I've thought, wow, you know what? Yeah, that actually makes sense to me.

So could that be one way that this happens? I absolutely, well, absolutely. I think so. I think that is one way that we could be experiencing this phenomenon and how it remains to be hidden from us. Which also kind of goes hand in hand with, you know, when we spoke to Jeff Nusateli on the most previous episode, you know, we talk about why is this always kept such a secret? Why have presidents avoided disclosure in the past? Or why have there been intimidation cases like what Jeff was talking about just a few days ago on episode 193? Why, you know, do they try to silence people?

Why have people reportedly been killed over this? well yeah power and money sure questions of you know religion and how it plays into different faiths sure I've always said those three things but the other part of this could be how do you explain all of this to people how do you come out and say well it's actually because people are you know these different beings are popping in and out of our reality that we don't really perceive but they're there you just can't see them huh so you could see you know that type of ontological shock might be hard for people to process. Now, along with the other reasons I gave, I do think that this is another reason.

It's just as simple as the fact that it's hard to explain. It's hard to understand for some people who, you know, aren't looking into this type of stuff. Imagine hearing this for the first time. Remember, think back to yourself when you started hearing about these things for the first time. You try to wrap your mind around how all this could be, all this could be real. Heck, for me, I still try to wrap my mind around how all of this could be real. I try to understand it as I'm doing these shows. It's hard to understand sometimes.

But when we take all this into account, it was important for me to kind of really, you know, put all this into perspective with these other sightings, these other reports, whether it's close encounters with beings, whether it's sightings, whether it's reports from, you know, credible individuals. Like a David Grush, like Lou Elizondo, like Ryan Graves, all these different people. Think of them what you will. I know some people have different opinions about some of the names I said. But these are all people who have come out to say, hey, this has been a secret. And we have recovered bodies and biologics and crash retrieval. So to me, if we are recovering craft, if we're recovering actual mechanics and we are recovering bodies, then that to me says there is. more to the story than angels and demons.

There is something else going on here, obviously, with actual biological beings. Because angels and demons don't have bodies. They're spirits. They don't have physical bodies. So there has to be another explanation to all this. And one of those explanations, or at least an example towards possibly explaining some of the other cases, comes to mind, for me anyway, from a case that I can. covered way back when on August 4th. Let me make sure. Look at my notes here. August 4th. Yeah,

2021. Episode 6 of UAP. That's one that still sticks out to me. And I would love to actually do a follow-up on this one day. But it was about the Dulce Base War. And that was a story that I covered again when I talked about some of the original episodes, some of the things that I really wanted to get out right in front when I started UAP. Randallson Ford. was one and Dulce base because those stories I mean I would just spend my free time thinking about how incredible those were to me and I couldn't wait to make them into episodes here on UAP when I was first beginning and that's why all these years later almost five years later I still think about that when I think about these explanations of well how could it be just angels and demons

when we look at something like Dulce Base. And in Dulce Base, we're talking about a story that happened allegedly in 1979. And the man who told the story was a man named Philip Schneider. And I actually found some of the original clips that I used from episode six. And I'm going to play a couple of those now because Philip Schneider, his story talks about how basically there was a war underground with gray aliens. while he was helping to build a base in Dulce, New Mexico. And this is, again, something that I think about a lot when I start to consider and theorize about what could all this be, and could it be just one thing?

And if this story is true, then the answer is no, it is not just one thing, because we could be dealing with an actual, some type of biological entity that is not of Earth. Here's a little reminder about Dulce base with this again, original clip from episode six of UAP with Philip Schneider as he talks about his experience there. The unbelievable part, I was involved in building another base onto inside of Dulcee, New Mexico, which is Los Alamos Laboratory. It's a biological laboratory.

And when you build an underground base, you drill four basic holes, and you literally blast out or tunnel out or deflagrate or melt rock out to build the large rooms that are required for these underground base. In this process, I was lowered down the basket of one of these holes. And about from me to this elderly woman here in the front was sitting a seven foot tall alien gray. The stench was worse than the worst garbage can. So yeah, there's a little reminder there from Philip Schneider. He recorded that. He was at a conference about 30 years ago when he was doing that presentation there back.

I think it was like the mid-90s. But that's something that's always stuck with me, especially, again, when I was making this three-part series and writing some notes down and writing some thoughts down, that story came to mind. And I thought, well, if it's true, then that would point to the other possibilities that we've spoken about here today when it comes to, well, it's not demons and it's not angels. then these are actual biological entities. And that's what it sounds like he came across, of course, if his story was absolutely true. He did mention there something to at the end where he said that they stunk. He said it was worse than this worst-smelling garbage can. And I couldn't help.

It was very interesting, actually. And I didn't even think about this until today to make this connection because I wasn't fully aware when I first started UAP. But I'm talking about Virginia, Brazil. And Virginia is something that, again, when I first started, I wasn't acutely aware of all the details that I've become acutely aware of over the past couple of years with what they call the Brazilian Roswell. I mean, gosh, Virginia is another great example about biological beings, actually, that people came across, you know, a physical crash, physical beings that were taken to a hospital. And one of the soldiers died from contact with this thing because it had some type of, you know, residue on it that did not mix. well with the human body. I mean, there was so many details from the Varginia crash in 1996 in Brazil where you have multiple witnesses. You heard me talk about it with Jeff Newsotelli

just a few days ago on the previous episode. He was in Brazil investigating that with James Fox back in December. So that's another perfect example of a story that would point to us dealing with some type of biological entities, some type of biological beings. And when you think about Varginia, now looking back on it, how it actually connects to what Philip Schneider was talking about in 1979, they talk about the beings smelling. Like, they stunk. This being that they came across in Varginia apparently did not smell very good. Like, you know, some type of rotting smell.

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So I want to play this one more clip before we're done from Philip Schneider as he talks about what took place after he came across this great alien being in case you forget how things turned out or maybe you've never heard it before. One of them did this. All I remember is that he just kind of waved his hand in front of his chest and the next thing I know, this blue beam hit me and just literally opened me up like a fish. And burnt my fingers right off of him. me and it was some form of electrical force because kind of like being hit by a lightning bolt burned all my toenails off of me.

Completely crispy crittered my left foot. So yeah, obviously incredible details there with Philip Schneider. Not to go too far down the rabbit hole with that episode and with that story. But that is a story that, again, you know, comes back to mind when we talk about these other scenarios that could be a possibility behind the origin. the agenda of extraterrestrials. And if we're going by Philip Snyder's story, then at least for those tall grays, it's not a very good thing.

Now, does that mean that he was dealing with a demonic entity? I would say no, because more details to that story is when he talks about how he shot and killed two tall alien grays. So if you're shooting and killing something, then that's a living being, not some type of, you know, supernatural spirit. By the way, for reference, Philip Schneider in that same presentation he did about 30 years ago in the mid-90s,

he said that he was breaking the law and putting his life in danger by telling this story and by talking about his past as a secret government contractor. And sure enough, he was killed. Well, I should say he was found dead a few weeks later. I'm not making this up. If you don't remember the story, you're not fully familiar with it. Again, maybe I'll do a follow-up to Dulce Bayes in the future and go more in detail. But yeah, he was found dead in his apartment not too long after that conference, found strangled to death. Now, they ruled it as suicide, said that he hung himself.

Others say, there's no way. So just a little bit of a reference there to the Philip Schneider story and Dulce Base, New Mexico. but that and Varsinia and all the other cases that we mentioned are perfect examples about stories and firsthand accounts that we can point to to say yeah there's absolutely yes absolutely something else going on aside from someone saying oh no it's angels or oh no it's demons again could be part of it I wouldn't doubt it but there's absolutely other things happening in the UAP phenomenon that need to be accounted for. I didn't even mention President Eisenhower in his supposed meeting with the Grays back in

1954, February 1954 in Palm Springs, California. He supposedly met with, you know, gray aliens in Nordics. So again, there's a million things that I can point to, but I really wanted to finish out this series that way in order to highlight these different possibilities. that there are so many other details and stories and scenarios that we could point to, all these possibilities that we could point to, to really highlight the fact that we are certainly dealing with something more than just one entity, more than just one thing.

There are so many things happening, whether it's interdimensional, whether it's interplanetary, whether they've been here for thousands and thousands of years and choose to reveal themselves at times and whether it's supernatural. We're dealing with so many things here that we can't understand yet and that we haven't been able to fully understand or comprehend yet because we don't have all the pieces to the puzzle.

But I think that I can confidently say and that we can confidently say at the end of this three-part series that there is absolutely more than one piece of the puzzle to look at. It's a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle is what this is. And we have to try to put them all together the best we can. And I hope I've been able to do a little bit of that to make the picture a little bit more clear here

during this three-part series in the case for aliens, the good, the bad, and the others. So on that note, we'll go ahead and put the notebook away and say one final thank you, and I really hope you enjoyed this three-part series. Sorry that I had to kind of split it up there. again, the original plan was to do it all together, but that Jeff News to tell the interview, it's a good reason.

I think you see why I had to break it up a little bit. But I'm happy to be able to finish off this three-part series today, and I hope you enjoyed it, at least being able to sit back and really theorize together. I hadn't been able to do that in a while. I really just wanted to theorize on all of these, you know, examples and possibilities and theories together about what we could be dealing with. and I thought that was something that was really kind of burning inside of me that I wanted to get out. And I'm glad I was able to do that in these three parts.

And I hope you enjoyed going down all these different realms with me in this three-part series on the case for aliens. Oh, actually, real quick, one final note that I wanted to put out there because this was a lot of fun. And I think you'll enjoy it. If you'd like to see me do an interview, well, I guess I should say the one being interviewed, I was a guest on, yes, this is going to stand out of place, but it's true. I was a guest on a show called The Racing Roundtable. It was a NASCAR show, believe it or not. And all credit goes, shout out to Dom.

Dominic is a listener of the show here for UAP, and he reached out to me. You know, I always encourage everybody to reach out to me. You got something you want to impart to me. Please be sure to do that, you know, through social media and email and everything. and he did. He's like, hey, look, I think you do a great job on the show. I really like listening to it. I have a show. Would you like to be a guest? Sure. Why not? I like NASCAR. I like sports and everything. So it was a lot of fun. Again, something totally different, but what we were able to do, and credit Saddam and his team on the show, what we were able to do was actually mixed together NASCAR talk and Alien Talk. And they asked me some really good, some really cool questions that I think made for really fun and super interesting conversation. So if you want to hear or see me as a guest on a show, check out the Racing Roundtable on Spotify and Apple and also on YouTube.

Just search the Racing Roundtable. And I believe I'm on the latest episode that came out just a couple of days ago from today. But just wanted to put that note out there real quick. So it was a lot of fun and I think you'll enjoy it. So thanks again to the Racing Roundtable guys to Dom and the team. It was a lot of fun. And I think you'll like the interview as well, especially if you're a NASCAR fan.

What better place could you get NASCAR coverage and coverage on the UAP topic? It's perfect. So until next time, make sure you continue to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts. You know, as you know on all the major platforms, just search for UAP. It's going to come up right there. And make sure to follow along on social media. There's a lot going on.

So search it out at UA Podcast 850 on the social media channels. By the way, the interview with Jeff Nusateli is up on YouTube. I put that up over the weekend. So if you haven't seen it, the entire interview is up on YouTube, and you can check that out for the visual aspect of it. If you want to see that end. If you listen to it and want to see the visual, then go right ahead, UAP podcast on YouTube.

You should be able to find it there as well. So until next time, it's Stephen Deener here saying thank you again for everything and for all of the support. It always means the world to me. So be well. Thanks so much. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP. the Unidentified Alien Podcast.