UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 197 Timothy Alberino part 1: Interdimensional Beings & The Book of Enoch

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

Stephen Diener brings on world renowned explorer and Ufologist, Timothy Alberino to go in depth on some of the most hotly contested topics within the UAP realm. Including, have we been misunderstanding interdimensional beings this whole time? And what is contained within the Book of Enoch that makes so many people uneasy? All of this and so much more right now. Do not miss this one...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Stephen Dean are back with you here, as always, on the unidentified alien podcast. And man, it feels like it's been forever. I think just, you know, it took me a while to get this one together with the Easter holiday and then with the Christopher Sharp interview. It took a little while to get this one edited and get it out there because it went for over two hours, which is why I wanted to spend a little extra time on it in the back end because I have split this up between two parts. This is part one with myself and Timothy Alberino. And it really feels good to say that because if you don't know or if you're not really like really familiar with Timothy Albarino and his work and what he's done, he's, you know, really, he's a great mind in this field.

He's a euphologist. He's an explorer. He goes and speaks at a lot of different conferences. and he's a really well-known name within the field of uphology. And, you know, if you follow along as far as people who comment on these things, he's one of those bigger names out there. And it's somebody that I've wanted to, and you'll actually hear me say it, but it's somebody that I wanted to have on here for a few years. Honestly, Tim has been on my radar for, I think, since 2023, ever since the Peru face peelers.

If you remember that, the face pealers in Peru, that saga that was happening back in 23 because Tim went there to investigate and he was the only person who went there to investigate at the height of that phenomenon. So since then, I've been wanting to bring him onto the show and I'm really, really happy that worked out the way it did because as you can tell here, since it is two parts, when it was an over two hour interview, we had a lot to discuss and a lot to talk about. Starting with this first part here today, we begin as you'll hear with his own UFO sighting, which was really interesting. because it's kind of a shape that I hadn't heard of before when it comes to a UFO sighting.

And it made me think the details that he goes into makes me wonder if this was some type of top secret craft. And you'll see maybe why I'm saying that when you hear him tell the story. We get into the book of Enoch and how that might relate to the overall, you know, extraterrestrial discussion, really heady stuff there and very, very heavy discussion when we get into interdimensional beings. What does that mean? How do we differentiate between interdimensional and alien? And what is the term actually, how do we actually define that term? Again, Tim's a very intellectual guy and it was really rewarding for me. It was a rewarding conversation to just sit here and kind of chop it up in an intellectual way with someone like him who can really get down into the weeds of a discussion like this.

And I think that's why you're really going to enjoy a lot of what you're going to hear here today. And we also get into some talk about giants. You know, no big deal. So there's a lot more in here. And I'm just going to let you get to it now because I have a lot of afterthoughts as well for this part one that I want to come back with when this first part of the conversation is done. So for now, enjoy part one with myself and Timothy Albarino. A lot to discuss here and a lot to take in right now on UAP. I'm excited for this.

I'm always excited, but this one I'm really happy to do to bring on Timothy Alborino here to UAP, famous author, explorer, lecturer. Tim, thanks so much for coming on here to UAP. It's real pleasure to have you. My pleasure, brother. Yes, and just for disclosure's sake, because you know I'm all about disclosure here,

I've been really looking forward to trying to have you on the show here for a few years, actually, so I'm glad that we could connect, and I know you're super busy, very busy schedule, so I'm glad that we could connect and make this happen here today. I appreciate it. Of course. Absolutely.

So I'll just jump right into it then. Some of these questions that have accumulated over time and kind of following your travels and the things that you've investigated over time, before we jump into some of that, though, I am curious, how did you kind of get into the subject? Everybody kind of has their own path. Everybody has something that kind of sparked their interest in it.

as you were growing up and getting into, you know, exploring and writing your books and everything, what made you get into the UAP topic? I'm trying to think of the moment that drew me into the topic. I don't think there was a particular moment. I became fascinated at the topic years ago when I was a young man and started, you know, consuming all of the euphological lore I could. became enthralled really with stories like Bob Lazar, for example. Right.

Not all narrative. And then one day, this was probably about somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 14 years ago, I was lifting weights with my brother-in-law in his basement. And oftentimes the topic of our conversation would revolve around UFOs, the Lazar story, the potential reversed engineered technologies that maybe we've derived from crash retrievals, that sort of thing. I mean, this was very common for us to be talking about that stuff. And on this particular day, he wanted to run over to a, he wanted to run over to a GNC store. We were in Cleveland, Ohio, and he wanted to run over to the suburb next store,

where I grew up. And it was February, it was cold. it was windy and to cut a long story short we had an encounter close encounter with a craft and it was about it hovered about 40 feet above and in front of my vehicle so I could see the whole thing up through my windshield looking up through my windshield me and my brother-in-law and I don't I can't of course I can't speak to the origin of the craft or who was piloting it but clearly it was employing unconventional technology it was an advanced what I would describe was an advanced aerospace vehicle. There was no noise.

It hovered silently in place. It had bizarre, triangular lights on the front of it. It had a row of lights, green and blue, around the fuselage, around the bottom. And it was kind of a diamond shape, but it didn't have sharp angles. It had very rounded angles. And it was exotic.

And again, I don't know who was piloting it. There was no, but there was no exhaust. There was no propellers. there was no propulsion system to speak of. You know, the typical silent floating UFO type craft. Yeah. And that just, that really just served to concretize the topic in my mind. You know, before, previous to that experience,

I knew UFOs are real because I lived in Peru for 10 years and my wife and I would stand on our roof at least on one occasion. And we would watch this, I think it was more than one occasion, but I can remember one specific occasion where we were watching this craft just dart around in the sky, you know, making just impossible maneuvers for conventional craft, just darting around, you know, like a laser pointer up in the sky. So I knew UFOs were real, but to have an encounter like that, a close encounter, 40 feet above my vehicle, now that doesn't prove that aliens are real or that the technology

comes from non-human intelligence, but it definitely, in my mind, it established the fact that at the very least we are in possession of what can be described as exotic technology. Yeah, right, right. I mean, to have that, you know, close encounter, like you said, 40 feet, is a very, very close encounter. And basically, have that realization, you know,

someone's piloting this thing. I'm not seeing things. My brother-in-law isn't seeing things. This is happening. Was that during the day? Or was that at nighttime or? I was at night. It was at night.

It was in February. It was very, very cold. very, very windy. And this craft seemed to be in its own atmospheric bubble. It wasn't affected by the wind. My car, I had a little Kia Sportage at the time. My car was rocking back and forth. The gusts of wind were so intense.

My car would rock. And this craft was completely unaffected by the wind. I find that really intriguing what you just said there, where it almost seemed like it was in its own protective bubble, because that makes me think of, I believe, Eric Davis or how put off, and maybe they both said it in the age of disclosure film, where they described the physics behind how these things travel. That's right.

They described it like that, that they're in this time warp bubble. So, and you experienced that years before, obviously. You said about 12 to 14 years ago. Yeah. We didn't have any time dilation or missing time or anything like that or any adverse effects that I can remember. We didn't get sick or anything like that. And we were pretty close to this thing. So I don't know that it was in a spacetime bubble,

but certainly was using unconventional, an unconventional propulsion system at the very least. That's incredible. And I don't know if it was man-made or what. I mean, I kind of had angular body armor on some of it that looked like, it was reminiscent of the Nighthawk, the F-117 Nighthawk, stealth fighter, but it didn't have wings, no wings. It had little stubby protrusions.

but it didn't have wings. And I'll tell you something interesting is I was writing a book, my book called Birthright, and in 2020, sometime in the year 2020. And I had on my screen at the time, I had a reading chair next to my desk. And so here on my screen, I had my book, that I was working on my manuscript on the word processor. And I had in a particular chapter

my book, I tell this story that I just told you. And I had that, I was in the middle of telling that story, like right in the middle of the paragraph. And occasionally I would take a break from writing and sit down in my reading chair and read, and then come back and write and then go sit down and read when I got exhausted. And so here, you have to imagine here on my screen, I have this incident that I'm writing about, right? And you have my, what do you call it, your cursor blinking right there in the middle of the paragraph,

telling the story I'm telling you, right? And I go and sit down, and I happen to be reading Hunt for the Skinwalker by Kelleheller. And I just happened to be reading in that moment. And it was the account, the individual who owned the ranch had an encounter with a craft that he described in great detail. And it was literally the same thing I saw and was writing about on my screen. And he described it in exactly the same way. and he just he just every feature was the same and he said in his description it was reminiscent of the f117 nighthawk crazy but it wasn't that right it didn't have wings it was hovering silently it was

i think he said it was a matte black what i saw looked matte black or green like a like a dark green bordering on black something like that probably maybe that was that that could have just been the yellow lights in the parking lot making it look that way um so that was a very interesting synchronicity, right? So I'm reading this, and it's the only account I've ever encountered, by the way, that is analogous to what I saw. Yeah. Wow. I've talked to lots of UFO guys who study the different kinds of craft and who cataloged these different kinds of craft, and they had never, they didn't have an account of a craft like I saw. So I was always sort of baffled, like, well, what the heck did I see then? And here it is being described in perfect detail

at Skinwalker Ranch. Of course, right. And it happens to be at Skinwalker, no less, one of the most famous UFO hotspots, I guess you could say. I wanted, this is kind of an abstract question, Tim, but I want to ask it because what you described there, those kinds of things have happened to me as well. And I kind of rack my brain when something like that happens.

And it's normally actually within a writing process. If I'm writing down notes, I'm investigating something for an episode here on UAP, and it's happened more than once, actually, where I'm in the middle of writing about something, and then I come across that very thing from another source, and I'm like, that's weird. Is there something to that?

Again, I know it's abstract, but is there something there that actually leads us to, you think, to be in that moment and almost get like a confirmation of some type of unconscious confirmation that tells us what you've experienced or what you're investigating is something real and you should keep going with it, Or is it just complete coincidence? It's certainly serendipitous.

I don't know if it's coincidental or not. But there are, it does appear that, you know, people have, I've had in my life some very interesting synchronicities. Yeah, there's probably something to that. Yeah, I often wonder that. And maybe it's just for maybe a confirmation bias on my end because it makes me, like I make myself crazy sometimes in thinking, is there really something to do this? Because it's hard to deny that, like you said, the synchronicity sometimes. You know, when we talk about what you saw that night, there was one question I wanted to ask. Did you have any, feel any heat being that close to it?

Did you guys feel any heat or the car got hot or anything? No, not that I recall. Nothing like that, okay. But by the time we jumped out of the car, the craft was already floating over the horizon. Wild. So at one point, you know, we were sort of in a daze looking at this craft. and I remember saying, the only thing I remember saying is

that is some top secret stuff. I use the word stuff. Right. And then about 30 seconds collapsed. And I said, my brother-in-law's name was Tony. I said, Tony, your phone, your phone. Because I had a flip phone at the time. He had a smartphone.

And so he's jostling for his phone. He pulls it out of his pocket, drops it. reaches down to pick it up. And as he's doing that, the craft lifts up into the air and starts to move away. Wow. So that by the time we jump out of the car, it's already descending behind the houses on the horizon. So it was very low. Yeah.

It was very, very low. I don't know if it was scanning for something or what. I don't know. But it was really low. That is interesting, though, because, you know, a lot of times you hear about when the craft leaves and a siding like that, it's usually it's some type of instantaneous acceleration event. You know, you shoot up in the sky and it's gone or it zooms away. This actually descended, though, like over the hills, over some homes.

And then you lost sight of it. Yeah, this was right in the middle of Brook Park, Ohio. It actually went in the direction of the airport. Oh, wow. Toward the John Glenn at the NASA Center over there. Makes you wonder. Yeah. I mean, you would think that it'd be kind of dangerous being in proximity to the airport like that,

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So outside of that, I did want to ask you, too. about, I guess more of, if we can call that the lighter subject, more like the heavy stuff when it comes into, you know, a couple of your books, like with Birthright or where you wrote about the Book of Enoch. And that has become really a big subject on the book of Enoch front, especially since Representative Anapalina Luna has brought that up numerous times, actually, in a couple of posts that she's made on social media. She's referenced it in some interviews. Where do you think, based off of your research, of course, where do you think that, or what do you think connects us with the UAP topic and the details that we find in the Book of Enoch?

Well, generally speaking, broadly speaking, the Book of Enoch features an incident in which exceedingly intelligent extraterrestrial beings descend to the earth and have sexual relations with human women who conceive and give birth to a hybrid race of giants. So again, broadly speaking, the connection would be that the Book of Ina specifies interaction with non-human intelligence, that not only descended to the earth and interacted temporarily with mankind, but co-habitated with mankind and stayed for quite a long time until they were incarcerated. So I suppose that the Congresswoman is referencing that dynamic, although I have heard her throw around the term interdimensional quite a bit. Yeah, right. And there's nothing explicit in the Anachian tale that would suggest interdimensionality. In fact, quite the opposite.

These beings become enamored. They're called watchers, by the way. Right. They become enamored of the daughters. of men, and indeed they lust after the daughters of men. And so they decide to descend to the earth in defiance of God. They knew that this action was going to result in judgment, ultimately, and that they were kindling the ire of the king of heaven by doing this. But they did it, nevertheless. That's why they bound themselves by an oath of mutual implications on the summit

of Mount Hermon. They descended to the summit of Mount Hermon. And then they descended into the plains, and they chose for themselves. Each one chose a maiden that they were going to take to wife. And I think we can infer that they went to those maidens' fathers. This was a patriarchal society, a true patriarchal society. And there was an exchange. There was a bargain. The watchers offered the fathers of these maidens, technology, knowledge,

in exchange for their own. hands in marriage. And so there was a transference of knowledge and technology to the human species in the anti-deluvian world. And it was a Faustian bargain, of course, because the women gave birth the giants. And the giants were exceedingly evil. They were cannibalistic. They were cannibalizing the human race because they were part human and also each other, according to other Dead Sea Scroll accounts. but there's nothing really implicit, as I said before here, that would suggest that there's interdimensionality involved. All of this is very tangible.

All of this is very physical, material. The watchers are physically copulating with human women. The women are physically giving birth. They're actually giving birth to giants. So I think I can certainly agree that there's, as I keep saying, generally or broadly speaking, there is a connection to the watchers in that. This was an incident in which we were interacting with non-human intelligence, extraterrestrial

entities. But I'm not sure how she's deriving the interdimensional aspect. If Congresswoman Luna is pointing to the book of Enoch as proof that these beings are interdimensional, then I'm not tracking with that. I don't understand the correlation there. And maybe I'm just not seeing something that she's seeing. I don't understand the correlation if that's what she means. Maybe you have some insight into that.

I guess just on that note, I think where she's coming from, and I don't, you know, I hate to speak for her and be wrong, but I think where she's coming from is where the information comes on from David Grush, where David Grush has spoken about the possibility of, you know, not even intelligence coming from an interdimensional aspect. And so he's mentioned that specifically. So that's my As a potential theory.

Right, exactly. So that's my thinking that that's kind of where she gathers that's that term and I'm not aware. And I think I can say this safely. I interact with some of these individuals. And I'm not aware of any proof, of any definitive proof that any of any of this is interdimensional. And I've talked to people who've been in those skiffs.

and they've told me that there's there's there there has never been presented anything definitive that would prove the interdimensional hypothesis now there are there are lots of opinions varying opinions by the way but nobody has definitive proof sure and so it remains a hypothesis right right um i'm not opposed to it by the way yeah yeah but but i i i feel like people who throw around the word interdimensional don't really understand what it implies. Well, right. And actually, I was just about to ask that. It's funny you say it in that what, how do you even explain interdimensional? Because it almost feels like Tim, it's almost like become like a buzzword. It's become like this buzz term that people kind of just put out there as a

possibility. But a lot of times, and I'm not trying to put anybody down by saying this, but a lot of times I think people don't really understand what they're even saying when they say interdimensional. So I mean, How would you explain that to somebody? I think I would echo the words of Eric Weinstein, who recently on American Alchemy with Jesse Michael said that when he hears people invoke the word interdimensional in regard to this phenomenon, he throws up a little in his mouth. That's right. And I understand why he's saying that he's a mathematician and has a very good grasp on physics,

much better than me. I'm not a mathematician. I'm absolutely terrible at math. I'm the opposite of a mathematician. But I do understand that when you say interdimensional, you're not really saying anything. You think about it. There's a couple of different ideas that are being sandwiched together here.

Actually, there's a multiplicity of ideas that are being sandwiched together here when people invoke interdimensional. Are you saying that these beings are using, interdimensional pathways to travel, or are you saying that these beings by nature are interdimensional? That their ontology, that they are interdimensional by nature. What are we saying here? So when you say interdimensional beings, because those are two different, completely different ideas, right? Sure, right.

If you have beings who are making use of, and it's not really, the terminology isn't even really accurate here, because it's if you open up a let's say a gateway an Einstein in Einstein Rosenbridge for example wormhole connecting one part of the universe to another there's nothing the only interdimensional aspect there is your is your bending space time and you may be folding space time into a dimension that we can't perceive or that we haven't detected right a fifth dimension or something like that So maybe you're folding space time into an extra dimension so that you can open up this route, this shortcut, from one part of the universe to another. So in that sense, if a being is, let's say they're an advanced aerospace vehicle, they project some kind of technology. They're able to open up a wormhole, say, from planet Earth to Mars.

maybe there's an interdimensional aspect there in the sense that the wormhole is again folded into a dimension of space that we can't directly access or perceive but the beings themselves it wouldn't mean that the beings are interdimensional by nature and it wouldn't mean that the destination is interdimensional right it would be going from planet earth to planet mars right So this is where people get really confused.

The only, in my mind, and physicists and mathematicians can correct me, in my mind, the only true interdimensional being would have to come from a different universe, a universe that has different physical properties in the earth, in the true sense, a different dimension altogether and that that being would have to be the physiology of that being everything would be different about that that that that being that entity right and then they would be coming from let's say like a multiverse type scenario which i i do not believe in the multiverse i think it's absurd but let's for the sake of argument here for this to illustrate the point let's say that a being comes from a multiverse if you have a being coming from the multiverse coming from a place

planet that is completely different physics than the Earth, a universe, not a planet, a universe, a completely separate universe than planet Earth, then you would truly be an interdimensional being. That's interesting. But if you're a being within our universe, making use of interdimensional pathways or tunnels or gateways or portals, whatever, that doesn't mean that you yourself are interdimensional. You see what I mean? Yeah, I do.

It means that you could be coming from any other place inside of the universe and just be accessing the extra dimensions that are potentially inherent in the universe. That's, and this gets very confusing because there's a lot of different ideas out there, a lot of different theories. You're not, we're not really on solid ground because nobody's ever detected definitively an extra dimension. It's all theoretical, all of it. Right. It's all theoretical. Yeah. What makes it, you know, so fascinating to discuss and theorize about it because, and there is one theory actually, maybe more of an analogy that I'll throw you.

And you probably heard it before, but it relates to what we're talking about from Jacques Valet, where he talks about, or I've heard him talk about anyway, the fly in the box, where if you have this fly in a box, you got, you know, all the sides is closed. And then that that is the world that the fly knows. that fly thinks this is my world here's my walls I can't get out this is where I'm living and then all the sudden you open the top of the box and we are the fly and you realize it's all perception and that's where it's just to kind of fit it into the conversation here I think where you're coming from which is it could be a perception thing and that's just a point there's the allegory of a cave yeah right we could be seeing shadows of other dimensions, which is fine. Like I said, I subscribe to the hyperspace theory of the universe,

which posits that there are more imperceivable dimensions to our universe. Okay, that's the key. To our universe, then we can directly interact with, right? So if that's the case, we're still operating within our universe. And beings who make use of those extra dimensions are not by nature interdimensional. Right, right. So that's why I'm saying this term interdimensional being. It doesn't say anything. What does it tell me what you think?

And I'm not saying you're, I'm just curious. I'm just kicking this idea back to you. Oh, yeah. When you hear interdimensional being, what distinguishes an interdimensional being from us? Yeah, I think it's, it just kind of comes back to where watching the Marvel movies or reading comic books. You think about these.

You have to. Right, exactly. You come through a portal, right? And that's something that people kind of imagine when they hear interdimensional being. What I think about personally is more along the lines of what the flying the box analogy that Jacques-fil-A has put forth, which is a perception we can only perceive so much, right? Where almost to use the metaphor of what our eyes can perceive.

We can only see so much when it comes to the visual spectrum. And so if we kind of put that toward, is there this extra spectrum, such as the visual spectrum, this extra spectrum of reality that we can't perceive? That's kind of where I land of what interdimensional anyway would mean in that sense. Yeah. I totally agree with that. Yeah, I think it's perceptual. As I said, and I will continue to say, because people say, well, you don't believe that there's other dimensions. I do.

I believe in the hyperspacial theory of the universe. So here's a good question that I like to pose. People just get mad usually when I pose this, not people like you, but people who really, really are dead set on this idea that these aliens are just extraterrestrial demons or something, or rather interdimensional demons. And it's a very simple question. What is the difference fundamentally between an extraterrestrial and an interdimensional? So what's a difference between an extraterrestrial being and an interdimensional being? What's the difference? See, it's a distinction without a difference

If you think about it And people say, well, interdimensional beings They come from other dimensions It's like, okay, well, what are you invoking when you say other dimensions? Are you invoking a multiverse? Or are you saying they come from some other dimension within our universe, right? Another facet of our universe that we can't perceive

because if that's the case, then there's still extraterrestrial beings. Right. You've made a distinction without a difference. And the reason why this is such a pet peeve of mine is because people think they're saying something profound when they're not saying anything at all, or at least they're not saying anything different than if you were to say these are extraterrestrial beings. Right? Yeah.

I have a friend that he told me this wild encounter he had with some UFOs. He said he was driving down a road in California. He driving home from work, routine. It was the middle of the day. And it was a highway. And as he's driving along, he notices a billboard. He looks over at the billboard and catches his attention. It says he's looking at this billboard.

He sees, I forget it was above or next door, there's above the billboard. This portal opens up in the sky. like a circle just opens up, like in a Marvel movie, just circle opens up in the sky. He saw this. He saw it. Wow. And he just, you know, he just sort of took his foot off the gas and he's just staring at this. And he said he could see a different atmosphere through that circle in the sky. So it was our atmosphere, but it was like looking through a hole in the sky. And it was a different atmosphere.

And then I forget if it was two or three flying saucers came shooting out of it. So they came from whatever that atmosphere was into our atmosphere. And then the thing closed, the portal closed. So very, very marvelous experience that he had there. And when he told me that, I found that to be very intriguing because the question in my mind is, what was that other atmosphere? Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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Could have been some other part of the earth. So if you're over here where I live in Montana, it's very gray and rainy right now. If a portal opened up to, let's say, Arizona, where it's dry and sunny, that would look very different in the sky. I'd be looking at Arizona's dry, sunny atmosphere in contrast to my gray rainy atmosphere. Right. So that's one possibility. Another possibility. I'm not looking at a different part of the earth. I'm looking at a different part of the earth. I'm looking at a different planet, the atmosphere of a different planet. Let's say Mars, surface of Mars, would look very different than our atmosphere.

Okay. Well, we can understand both of those things, right? Sure. That would make sense to us. But to me, you'd be jumping the shark if you said, well, that's a different dimension that you're looking into. So those flying saucers, they came from a different dimension. What does that even mean?

How would you define that? A different dimension that has an atmosphere, sky that kind of looks like ours, but a different color maybe? What does that even mean? And then these three saucers, I think it was three, that came out, they're obviously flying the same from where they came and where they are. So the laws of physics are probably the same. I think it would be a reasonable deduction that the laws or inference that the laws of physics are the same on both sides of that portal. Yeah. I don't see why they would be different. So if that was a different dimension, you would expect to see something different than an atmosphere. I mean, we don't even know what it, we have no idea what a different dimension looks like. So I think it's very likely. And of course, I don't have any proof for this. This is just speculation. I think it's very likely that these crafts are utilizing technology that allows them, they can generate enough energy to open up, you know, Einstein Rosenbridge and that they can jump space, so to speak. they can instantly transfer themselves from one part of the universe or one part of the earth to another.

There is nothing whatsoever interdimensional about that. Aside from the fact that we mentioned earlier, that maybe they're folding space into an imperceivable dimension, right, in order to create that tunnel, the tunnel through space time. But there's nothing interdimensional about the craft or the beings. they're just coming from somewhere else in the universe. So I think there's a lot of confusion. And I'll say this. For whatever reason, I'm trying to figure this out.

I really am. I'm an old school guy when it comes to euphology. I don't like all these newfangled ideas because they're popping up every day there's a new idea about where UFOs come from and the beings. And some of these are old ideas that are being rehashed. But all of these new hypotheses, are emerging. And everybody is suddenly, and when I say suddenly, maybe in the last five years,

everybody is suddenly acting as if the extraterrestrial hypothesis is debunked. It's an archaic idea. We don't think that anymore. We've evolved beyond that. These are obviously interdimensional or time travelers or cryptotorrestrial or what have you. Right? I'm like, okay, maybe. But is Isn't the easiest explanation extraterrestrial? I mean, if you can open a portal and jump from one part of the earth to the other, then I would imagine you could jump from the surface of Mars to the earth in the same way. Sure. And if you can jump from the surface of Mars to the earth,

then the extraterrestrial hypothesis is looking pretty good because it would not be difficult for beings coming from some other planet to get to the earth with that kind of technology. It'd be quite simple, assuming that level of technology. It'd be as simple as us getting on the highway and driving to the next town over. Actually, it'd be much more simple than that. True. So why?

What is the reason why everybody wants to trash the extraterrestrial hypothesis? Why? Is it just trendy? Is it just make them feel intelligent to appeal to time travel or to appeal to extra dimension or interdimensional, the interdimensional hypothesis, or to appeal to these disembodied consciousness that's just manifesting itself and trying to experience the world or whatever. I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean, some of these hypotheses are interesting, but it's the one that's staring us right in the face is the one that everybody just wants to disregard. I cannot comprehend why. I don't understand.

But what are your thoughts on that? Curious. Yeah, I think you have a lot of very strong points in that sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one. When it comes to, listen, let's look back at some of the old stories. When it comes to two that come to my mind right away, Admiral Bird, Operation High Jump. He talks about going down to Antarctica post-World War II. And you have this craft, I think he mentions it as a flying saucer in his journal, where it's like instantaneously goes from one pole to the next.

So, I mean, where does that come from? And again, this is going back to, you know, I think soon after World War II, I think it was 1947 around the time of Roswell, I believe. And then you look at something like Betty and Barney Hill, where you have these abductees. And Betty Hill talks about how they gave her this star map. And she draws this star map. And we come to find out like 50 years later that it points to, you know, another star system. I believe was Alpha Centauri.

So, you know, I think it's your point, Tim, where we kind of forget some of these stories that might be real clear indications as to where these things are coming from. Yeah, I think people are locked into particular paradigms. Which is a shame, because I don't think, and that's, to answer your question, too, I don't think there is one answer, to be fair. I think it could be a mix of things. I think it could be a mix of, you know, maybe there's some type of, whether we call it. It's a wormhole travel from one place to the next, or it's interplanetary, or whatever we define as interdimensional, whatever that means. Maybe it's something that we can't even explain. I think we have to start there.

If these entities can jump space, then there's no reason to doubt that they have bases on Mars. And it's very, very plausible that they came from somewhere like Mars and that they've had forward operating bases on the Earth and under the Earth and under the sea. we know that they can maneuver in outer space the same way that they maneuver in our atmosphere. They're not affected by it. They're transmedium, right? Right, exactly. Because they bend the fabric of spacetime. They don't move through space time.

They move space time around the craft. Exactly, right. So that's why they're quote unquote transmedium. So a craft that has these capabilities can go anywhere and can come from anywhere. what I've observed myself from what other people have reported about these crafts, I can draw a straight line from the idea that they're here on Earth

and the idea that they came from somewhere that's not Earth. I can draw a straight line. It's very easy. Or at least, you know, it's just the theory. It's just the hypothesis. That's a very easy straight line to draw. Let's say, let's make it really easy. They came from Mars.

I don't know that they came from Mars, but let's make it really easy. They came from Mars. Everything that we see would be consistent with that kind of an idea. And people say, no, no, no, no, they didn't come from any other planet. They're from here. But they could, but couldn't they travel Mars really easily?

I mean, you have to concede that, right? Okay. Well, then they could just as easily have come from another planet. What I'm trying to say is we are complicating things unnecessarily. And then throwing in the time travel stuff, that's not a straight line. That's like a squiggly line that you have to draw and make all these extraneous. connections to draw that conclusion. Yeah, someone in the neck of your woods, actually, Montana State, I believe, Dr. Michael

Masters. A friend of mine. Yeah, there you go. So he's really kind of made that his, correct me from wrong, but kind of his main hypothesis of the time traveler theory. So, I mean, how do you guys, knowing that you guys are friends, how do you guys kind go back and forth on that? We briefly discussed some of this, but actually, we've been meeting to get together here.

but he lives he lives up in bute i live in bozeman um and i find him to be brilliant his theories are very very intriguing uh he favors the time traveler theory uh i do not um that's the one theory that i really don't like because there's a lot of problems with it in my mind but it is i wouldn't call it absurd or preposterous either i just don't i think it's like i said it's not the it's not the most explanation. It doesn't account for all the data in my mind. It seems clear to me. There's a couple of things that I would have to say when analyzing this phenomenon that I would have to concede, rather, as an honest researcher. The first thing that I would have to concede is that there seems to be a very ancient presence. Now, that's, that's, as a Christian, I come from a

biblical worldview. As a Christian, that that coheres to what I understand, theologically, biblically, that mankind has been interacting with non-human intelligence from the very beginning. That's a biblical fact. Now, Christians like to describe that non-human intelligence as angels or fallen angels or demons. Those are just terms. That's just terminology. We would have to concede as a Christian and as a uphologist, I would concede that some of this phenomena is ancient, exceedingly ancient. Okay, I can check both of those boxes as a euphologist and as a Christian. Yeah.

Then I would have to acknowledge as a euphologist that some of this phenomena seems to be more recent, and specifically the activity of gray aliens in the abduction program. That seems to be more recent. that seems to be more modern. Yes. Now, I understand, I'm fully aware that Jacques Valet, who's a phenomenal researcher, sort of the grandfather of euphology in some ways, one of the grandfathers of euphology. Vallet wrote about the potential that this phenomenon is just adapting to the zeitgeist of each generation,

of each era. In other words, in the medieval period, they view. the abduction phenomena and the UFO phenomenon as sky people or gnomes or fairies and that it's

the phenomenon has been evolving adapting rather wearing different masks as it were presenting itself in ways that are relevant to each consecutive generation it's an interesting idea but but there's a

fatal flaw and that flaw is that the stories of gnomes and fairies and abduction by gnomes and fairies and sky people do not conform to the modern abduction phenomenon. They just don't conform. There is nothing like the modern abduction phenomenon in the past. Yeah, I agree. There's nothing like it. Yeah. It is it is entirely distinct. And anybody who takes the time to study the phenomenon knows that it's the abduction phenomenon knows that it is entirely distinct. It's not the medieval stories of fairies and gnomes and sky people this phenomenon seems to be much more recent now it's possible that the grays have been here for a while maybe they came maybe there's

a forward operating group that came and and established bases under the sea maybe mobile bases i really like that idea the idea of a mobile base that builds the craft to spec it's possible that the Grays had a forward base operation established themselves here some time ago. But the abduction phenomenon is not ancient, not as we know it today. Yeah. And it can be tracked back to the mid to late 1800s. So there are aspects of this phenomenon that are not ancient. And again, this is approaching the topic as a uphologist.

I would have to concede that, knowing what I know about alien. abduction. So it's highly complex. So were there ancient non-human entities, non-human intelligence is interacting with the human species going back to the beginning? As a euphologist and as a Christian, my answer is yes. Yes, I can say that from both of those perspectives. Are there aspects of this phenomenon that seem to be new, relatively speaking, going back 150 years or so? I can also answer that question in the affirmative. Those are things that I feel like I can be very confident about. Now, when you throw in time travel, interdimensionality, all these other theories,

there's nothing concrete. There's nothing that you can actually point to to prove that any of these beings are time traveling. Yeah. That I'm aware. So I want to jump back real quick. If you talk about time travel, you can jump back in time real quick to some that we mentioned earlier in, well, what we would call, I think, and this is kind of what I wanted to mention, the Nephilim, the giants, this interbreeding that took place with, you know,

call it angelic creatures, non-human intelligences that took place during ancient biblical times. Do we, is there a distinction between what we call the Nephilim mentioned in the Old Testament, which I believe, and you correct me if I'm wrong, I think the final mention of that, and you know a giant in the old testament was ag of ashan i believe so is there a difference besie between og and these other beings that were created through uh you know interbreeding in the book of enoch um well not just in the book of enoch in the book of enoch in the genesis six as well that um the difference is that the post-flood giants were thought to have come from the pre-flood giants. In other words, that they were their descendants. And they were certainly

gigantic in stature. The Bible tells us that the Anakene were descended from the Nephilim. And the Anakim are one of the clans of giants that inhabited the land of Canaan, the promised land, during the time of the patriarchs and also obviously the conquest of Canaan by Joshua. That's when they encountered Aug of Bashan, who was of the Refayem. there were various clans of giants. There were the anachim, there were the Refayne, there were the Amirite, some of the Amorites were described as being giants and so forth. So the giant clans occupying the land of Canaan, again, in the minds of the Hebrews,

were descended from the Nephilim. But they were likely much smaller in stature. And the Nephilim were direct descendants, or rather, they were the progeny of the watchers themselves. So the Nephilim were the sons of the watchers. They were the original genetic stock, so to speak. And the post-flood giants are diminished descendants, diminished in the sense that they're not directly related to the watchers.

They are descendants who are far removed from the Nephilim. nevertheless, they retain the gigantic stature relative to the normal human beings inhabiting Canaan. When we talk about post-flood giants, the clans of giants in the Levant, their stature was typically between 10 and 15 feet or 16 feet tall. And the reason why I say that I'm not shooting in the dark there, in the masoretic text, Goliath is described as six cubits in the span. his stature. And that equates about 10 feet tall. And when you read some extra biblical material, especially from the Dead Sea Scrolls, let's be specific in the book of Jubilee's, the author of Jubilee says that the giants, that their stature was between 10 and 16 feet tall. And that seems consistent, obviously, with the story of Goliath of Gath and also with the accounts of giants all over the world.

post-flood giants, even here in America, giants that were discovered in the mounds of America, the Indian mounds. And also the giants, legends of giants all over the world, especially on the island of Sardinia, where I've done a lot of research. I've been there a few times. And people who've dug up the bones of giants with their hands

and have told me about it. People I've interviewed, elderly people mostly, who describe these beings as being anywhere from, let's say approximately nine, to 15 feet tall. It's incredible. So, yeah, so to add, that was a long way to answer your question. Yes, the, the giants after the flood were diminished in stature than the ones before the flood.

And the Nephilim, that refers to the original strain, the original genetic breed of giants who were the direct sons of the watchers. Everyone, all these other giants were descended from the Nephilim. Okay. That makes sense. why do you think, Tim, that, and maybe this might be an impossible question to answer because then we get into, you know, maybe some type of biblical philosophy and theology, so it's not sure we can have a definitive answer, but why do you think the fathers of the church, the ones who were there saying, this goes in the Bible, and this doesn't, why do you think the Book of

Enoch is one of those that is not in the traditional Bible that we have? have today? The simplest answer is because the Jews excluded Enoch from their canon. What made them, what brought them to that, do you think? I mean, was it's... Well, I would agree with Tertullian, the church father from North Africa, I would agree with Tertullian who said that basically paraphrasing, he believed that the Jews had rejected the book of Enoch because it testified of the man they had crucified, namely Jesus of Nazareth. specifically the oracles of Enoch in the section called the parables

which is after in First Enoch the first section of First Enoch is called the Book of the Watchers. The second section is called the parables and in the parables you have a lot of messianic content concerning the son of man which clearly pointed to Jesus of Nazareth. The early church fathers knew that

and the ones who regarded the book and there were plenty of them who regarded the book of Enoch as scripture and it should be said that they had a manuscript of First Enoch that we don't have today, because they quote from First Enoch, and we don't have that text in what we call today First Enoch. A lot of it is there, but not all of it. So we don't really know what their manuscript that was circulating during the early church age, what that looked like. It definitely had the book of the watchers in it,

and it definitely had the parables. There may have been other sections added into what we call First Enoch today that were preserved in Qumran. The Dead Sea Scrolls maybe were a additions that were added during the Second Temple period. But there was a lot of debate about the book of Enoch among the church fathers, again, some of whom quoted First Enoch as scripture. The early church was very conversant with First Enoch, with at least portions of First Enoch. Again, the book of the watchers and the oracles of Enoch and the parables. Ultimately, it was rejected to reiterate because the Jews rejected it in their canon, but also because the authorship and dating of Enoch really can't be established.

It's very difficult to establish who the author was. I personally believe that the oldest portions of First Enoch either were authored by Enoch himself and were preserved through the flood and then, you know, the manuscript was copied. Or at the very least, the oral traditions come from the Antediluvian world. And we're ultimately written down now. It's interesting, I referenced the book of Jubilee, and Jubilees, the author of Jubilees, which was probably written during the Maccabian period, by the way, but it reflects how the Jews were thinking about the anti-deluvian world. The author of Jubilee's states that there were

documents, there were manuscripts that came through the flood and that were written in Hebrew, because he believes that the language of the anti-deluvian world was Hebrew, but that obviously nobody spoke Hebrew. Abraham didn't speak Hebrew. Abraham came from Mesopotamia. So he spoke Acadian or whatever it was that they spoke in Mesopotamia at the time. And that God had miraculously enabled him to speak and understand Hebrew. And that when that happened, he was able to understand and translate, transcribe the documents which he inherited from his fathers, from his descendants. or rather from his ant-descendants, going back to Noah. So there were at least some, there was at least a Hebrew tradition,

a Jewish tradition during the Maccabian period, that Abraham had inherited these documents from Noah that nobody could understand because they were written in a language that was no longer extant, in a language that had disappeared from the earth. and that because of this miracle, this miraculous incident in which Abraham could understand Hebrew, speak and understand Hebrew, he was able then to transmit that knowledge to his offspring. Now, whether or not that's true, I doubt that's true.

I think that would consider that to be a Jewish fable. But it illustrates the idea that the Jews believe that their traditions came not just from Abraham, but from Noah and from the anti-Diluvian world. And I think that's true. At the very least, oral traditions. And then those oral traditions were transcribed. But I personally believe that there are manuscripts that were entrusted to Noah before the flood and preserved by him. Tertullian thought that as well.

And one of those manuscripts was whatever Enoch wrote. Enoch, by the way, was not just considered to be a prophet by the Jews. We know that he was considered to be a prophet because in the book, book of Jude in the Bible. Jude incorporates a portion of the book of Enoch directly. Yeah. It's copied and pasted. That's right. From from the book of the watchers in First Enoch. And Jude says Enoch the seventh from Adam prophesied, saying, so Enoch was a prophet. That's not contested. The Jews believed Enoch was a prophet. But they also believed he was a scribe. And in fact, the foremost on both accounts. He was the most preeminent. and the most preeminent scribe. Now, what does a scribe? A scribe is somebody who writes things down.

So, obviously, there's a tradition here among the Jews. The portions of the book of Enoch were written by Enoch's own hand. Well. So the main influence for the rejection of Enoch and the canon came from Augustine, St. Augustine. And there was a lot of theological and philosophical territory, which we don't have to tread right now. Sure. To summarize, there were competing ideas emerging in the church in regard to angels and in regard to Platonism, Neoplatonism, and Gnosticism, and ideas about heaven and spiritual beings and heavenly realms and the way they thought about angels was sort of evolving. and Enoch presents a very visceral, tangible, physical encounter with angels. Angels are lusting.

Angels are copulating. They're having sex with women. Yeah. And procreating offspring and cohabiting the earth with human beings. I mean, that's a very literal, physical, tangible view of angels. And those kinds of ideas were evolving in the church. And so that contributed, certainly, to Enoch being rejected. But, again, there are problems with the dating and the authorship, but no one could prove that Enoch had written First Enoch.

And I'm not sure that there was a Hebrew copy of First Enoch. There may have been an Aramaic copy or maybe just Greek translations. And that would have contributed to being rejected as well. I mean, the Jews really only incorporated manuscripts that they had in Hebrew. So there's a lot of factors. What I'm trying to do is express to you. There's a multiplicity of factors. It's a complex situation.

Well, that's where we're going to end part one for now. And thank you again to Tim for all the time because we did. We spoke, like I said, for over two hours this past Thursday. And I really don't even remember what time we got done. It was sometime late in the afternoon. And we went way over the allotted time that I had mentioned to him. And he was super gracious, really, really gracious with his time to really just sit down and take the time. to really dive into all these topics.

And we do that again in part two, which I plan to have out in the next couple of days or so. So definitely stick around for that and make sure that you are subscribed to you AP. Wherever you're getting your podcast, that way you don't miss out on this one or anything else I have coming out in the future. You definitely do not want to miss what I have coming out in the future.

If some... I'll just put it this way. I'm always trying to do some things behind the scenes. Sometimes they come together, sometimes they don't. If this one comes together, then I think you'll be really excited. And you'll know, you'll know what I'm talking about if it comes together. So you definitely want to keep tuning in and subscribing to the show if you haven't already, wherever you get your podcast and follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850 on the social media channels.

And YouTube on Twitter on TikTok, you can find me there at UA Podcast 850. And UAP podcast on YouTube, just search that. but when it comes to this interview here, at least part one, I have to at least comment on a few of these things. And I want to see if you kind of are on the same wavelength of what I was thinking during this interview. And as I was taking some notes, kind of going back first to his UFO sighting, it sounds like this thing was landing at an airport or a secret airstrip when he was talking about that at the beginning of the conversation. If you can remember back to the start of this episode.

And so to me, and this is just my estimation. of the situation. That could be totally wrong, but the way he was describing that siding, it sounded like he was seen some type of top secret craft that was landing at a secret airstrip in Ohio. I don't know if that's true, but just based off the proximity to the airport he was talking about and how it was descending over the homes, it sounds like that's what it was, but who really knows. regardless, really, really intriguing stuff, you know, to say the least, including, I mean,

how about that story about his friend who saw the portal open up? What do you make of that? What do you make of that? I mean, my gosh, I don't know if anybody else saw it. I didn't get to ask as many follow-up questions on that that I wanted to because I was kind of just enamored in what he was saying with that story. It was just unbelievable. And that's on me.

So, you know, I'm sorry, I didn't get to follow up with that as much as I wanted to. But, you know, we kind of just have to, I suppose, take that on its surface that his friend says he saw this happen with this point. Ordeal opening up and these UFOs coming out. But if that's the case, like you said, kind of connecting to the interdimensional beings conversation, he says, you know, he saw an atmosphere similar to ours. It was a blue sky. I mean, you, there's too much, honestly.

There's just way too much to comment on that conversation as far as the differences between physical dimensions and beings that might be from like another universe and how you want to characterize interdimensional. You know, when we talk about beings traveling through. actual different dimensions, these beings are still within our reality. I think that's really what we were getting at. They're still within a reality.

They're just able to traverse different planes of this reality using different pathways and maybe even knowledge of the available realities within our universe. Like these universal realities, right? It's almost like if you're out traveling with a friend and you know how to get from point A to point B, but then they say, hold on, I got a shortcut. And it's some crazy backroad that you've never even seen before.

You didn't even know it existed. But just because you didn't know it existed, it doesn't mean that shortcut, that different pathway isn't there. You just didn't see it before. So is that what we're looking at when we talk about interdimensional beings? Are we talking about, you know, otherworldly beings, extraterrestrials of some kind, non-humans, however you want to characterize it? Are we looking at just your classic aliens that are,

that know different pathways, that know the backroads, they know the shortcuts to get from point A to point B, that we just can't see. We don't see it, so we don't know it. But it doesn't necessarily, and I like this theory, I like this thought process that this train of thought that Tim had, it doesn't necessarily mean that we should characterize them as interdimensional. They still live within our universe.

They still live within our reality, but they just have different understandings of how to traverse it. So maybe interdimensional doesn't mean what we think it means and how we kind of portray it sometimes, where we talk about these beings that can maybe travel through portals or full time and space, unlike an Einstein Rosenbridge. But maybe it does more apply or should apply anyway to a more literal sense of a being from literally a different universe. That to me, and I agree with Tim on this actually. And I'm really, I was really kind of entrenched in that conversation.

I was super interested when he was kind of differentiating between the two, comparing and contrasting. I agree with that thought process that interdimensional should mean, in the literal sense, a being that is traveling across universe A to universe B, not different planes of reality within the same universe. So I know it's the fine details. I know it's kind of that minutia and we kind of get into the weeds on that. But I just thought that was a very interesting point. And it really, you know, I think a clear. way, I think, to really look at that distinction and to look at that term of interdimensional,

because it is a term that gets thrown around a lot these days. I told you that was going to be heady stuff, but man, I love talking about it. And the last thing I'll comment on is just the parts of where we talk about the book of Enoch, and we talk about, you know, the watchers. And one thing, again, on me, I didn't get to follow up on this just because of, you know, how quickly the conversation was going. So that's on me. but my takeaway from the watchers, if we're talking about the classical biblical sense of angels coming down to earth,

I characterize that as the fallen angels. If we're talking about the battle, right, the battle that they talk about in the Old Testament between the good, the battle between good and evil, the good angels and the bad angels, these angels Lucifer, who have pride, you know, the fall of angels due to their pride, they come down to earth, and then they end up in hell as demons as the devil. And that is the classic story from the Bible. So can we connect those two? And that's where my mind went when Tim was talking about the watchers in the book of Enoch.

And Enoch being the seventh son of Adam, if you don't know the whole story. And was he a scribe? Was he a prophet? You hear him talk about how he was characterized as a prophet in the book of Jude. That is in there in the Old Testament. It's not like Enoch didn't exist. He's spoken about in the Bible. It's just that the book was scrubbed out for,

you know, the myriad of reasons that he gave there when I asked him, why do you think it was taken out? Maybe it's one or all of those reasons all put together. You know, maybe it just wasn't trusted as a true source of revelation that belonged in the Bible. I don't know. I really can't answer that for sure. But it's definitely interesting to think about considering the details that are in the Book of Enoch about the watchers, about the fallen angels, about the, you know, interbreeding with humans, the creation of the Nephilim, the giants, you know, being taken through space travel and things like that. So it's obviously undeniable what is in the book.

Again, you can make up your own mind on why you think that wasn't included in the traditional Bible, even though, and we didn't get to mention this, it is included in the Ethiopian Bible. It is canon for Ethiopians. So I guess, you know, make of that what you will on why they have it and the other churches don't. But again, just really, really fun to have those in-depth discussions. And there's really very few people better than to have those discussions with, than with Timothy Albarino. You know, again, super intellectual guy, super smart, very well read on the subjects. I mean, I threw some questions at him that I thought maybe we're going to trip him up

and maybe we're caught him off guard. And he's just, boom, right into it. So really, really a pleasure to talk to him. I could have talked to him for three or four hours. and we definitely do have to have them back on here to UAP sometime in the future. But I hope you enjoyed that one there for Part 1 to consider all these different points from point A to point B, interdimensional, book of Enoch, how it all connects, and everything in between. That was really, really enjoyable for me, and I hope you liked it too. And I think you're going to like Part 2 as well, because we pick up right where we left off in Part 2 in just a couple of days talking about the giants, his exploration and his knowledge about going back to the Old Testament when we come back in Part 2.

too about the biblical giants and what's written in the Bible and how it relates to what's actually been found according to his studies in archaeological digs. Really, really kind of, you know, compelling stuff to consider that maybe you never would have considered before. Like at first you think about dragons. Sorry, come on, you know, what are we doing? I'm not dragons. I'm sorry.

Dragons are spoken about in other circles too. Giants. But you might think. to yourself giants. Come on. What are we doing here, guys? But no, this is like something that really could be part of the discussion. And you'll hear why in part two. And then in part two, I finally get to the main reason why I've wanted Tim on this show for three years. A lot of this stuff I wanted to ask him about too, which is why I did. But I saved Peru for last, the face peelers. What did he learn while he was there? And it did not disappoint.

The great detail that he went into is something that was disturbing to me. Very disturbing to me. When I went home that day, I kind of had like the thousand yards stare. I was to the point, actually, where my son saw me sitting on the couch and he's like, Daddy, you okay? And I snapped out of it. And I'm like, yeah, sorry, I was just, I was thinking. And I was thinking about this interview and about what Tim was telling me about his trip to Peru and what he was, what he found out in great detail

about the face peelers back in 2023 when that episode was going on when that whole saga was happening. I had never heard the details about what was truly going on on the ground in Peru. And Tim goes into detail that only he can because he was the only one on the ground investigating this. And I'm telling you, it was really disturbing to me to the point where it affected me even when I got home. So beware for that one in part two. Some of this stuff is really, really incredible to hear. but I'm going to put it out there, unedited, so you can hear it for yourself. So look forward to that and follow along wherever you get your podcasts.

Like I said earlier on social media at UA Podcast 850 and all the major channels to download UAP. So much more to come here. I'm glad you're here right now to listen to this and to come back again, hopefully in the future, to do it again. And I'll say this real quick before I go because I would be absolutely remissed if I didn't, and I wanted to save this for last on purpose. my friend and someone that we all loved in this community,

Nick Pope passed away on Monday night, or at least was announced by his wife Elizabeth on Monday night that he had passed away from cancer. Nick was somebody that was truly became a friend to me. And just personally, I know we all have our own memories and nice feelings about Nick Pope. If it was just your interaction was just watching ancient aliens, That's where you saw Nick Pope or hopefully if you heard him here on UAP multiple times over the past few years.

In fact, he's part of UAP Investigates. I know that hasn't been put out to the public yet, that 10 episode series. Hopefully that comes out at some point this year. I'm hoping there's a lot of delay with that behind the scenes. But Nick Pope is a part of UAP investigates and you'll hear that eventually down the road. And he was someone who became a friend to me in real life outside of the show. and I was so sad to hear when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. And I was talking to him privately.

We were texting just a few weeks ago, wishing him the best and thanking him for everything. He was always gracious. He was gracious in his response then. He was gracious with his time, always with me personally, and to everybody else in all the interviews he did and his research and his knowledge on this topic. Just really sad. I'm really sad that he's gone. And I know that a lot of you feel the same way. And so just a quick story to remember him by.

And I told the story on Twitter. And I want to relate it here if you didn't see it on social media. When I first went off on my own here on UAP and I created UAP weekly, it was an offshoot I did a few years back to the classic UAP here. And at that point, I was really still kind of trying to find my way and, you know, what was UAP going to be? What was it turning into? And what I wanted to do was try to bring in someone from my first interview. to be a big name, right? You got to swing for the fences and anything that you do.

You got to try to hit the home run. And so I thought, well, let me try to bring in somebody that I really enjoyed over the years, someone I look up to in this field. And that was Nick Pope. He was one of the first names that came to mind of someone that I wanted to be my first interview. And I decided, let me try to find his contact information. I had nobody to reach out to. I didn't know anyone that knew him.

You know, it's very different now, obviously. But I just thought, let me see what I can find. And sure enough, I come across a business email for him, and I swung. And I sent an email introducing myself, saying what I was trying to do. And I kid you not, he wrote me back within an hour. And I couldn't believe it. To this day, I think back on that. And I remember actually sitting at my dining room table in front of my email.

And that email came back. And I was so excited. I told my wife, I'm like, Nick Pope just wrote me back. I can't believe this. I was starstruck. I was shocked. I didn't, you know, what did I deserve? He didn't know me.

didn't know me from anybody. I was still, you know, very much up and coming at that point with UAP and I was still fairly unknown to a lot of people in the field. So it's not like he would see it and be like, oh yeah, yeah, I know who you are. Let's do it. It was just, he was responding to this unknown guy. And he was so gracious to do that and to spend his time with me, even though he didn't know me anything. And that's the kind of guy that Nick Pope was. And because of that, we became friends. He was on the show here multiple times. maybe five or six times, met him multiple times in person

and got to know him on a more personal level over the past few years and what ended up being the final few years of his life, excuse me. And of course, we never think that, you know. And so I'm sorry to drone on here and to keep you longer, but it was, this was something I wanted to get off my chest

and just something that very sad to hear about. And someone, Nick Pope, is an inspiration. to me and to a lot of people in this field, whether you are a consumer in this field or a creator in this field, Nick Pope is somebody that I'm sure has inspired you at some point along the way. And that's what it's all about is trying to make a difference in somebody's life in some way, former fashion. And Nick Pope definitely did that for me and a lot of others. So rest in peace, Nick Pope. My condolences to his family and to his wife, Elizabeth. Someone who's really going to be missed.

Nick Pope, man. but that's going to do it here for today. Sorry to end on a somber note, but I wanted to make sure I included that in today's episode. Be sure to follow along, like I said earlier, for anywhere you get the podcast, just search UAP. And make sure to come back for part two with myself and Timothy Albarino.

Really heavy stuff coming up here for part two, so stay tuned for that. So until next time, thank you so much for everything and for all the continued support. We're coming back here to UAP, and I hope that you continue to do so. It's Stephen Dean here saying, be well, thanks so much.

We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.