UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 204 Brazil's Silent History: Three Incredible Close Encounter Stories The World Needs To Hear

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Did you know that the Brazilian military chased luminous aliens in 2008? Famous Brazilian UFO researcher, Rony Vernet, joins Stephen Diener to lay out the surprising details of multiple shocking close encounter stories you've never heard. One of which includes admissions from a high ranking military member about that little known, but major incident from 2008...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, welcome back into UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here. As always, on the Unidentified Alien podcast for episode number 204. Well, on our way here. And I'm so happy we finally get to do this. You'll even hear him mention it at the start of the interview that it was something we were trying to do for a while. And that is with this conversation with Roney Vernet. Roney is one of a kind.

If you don't know his work, he's a UAP researcher in Brazil. And I think, and you'll hear me say this, but I think the work that he does in South America and in Brazil is so vital because we don't get a lot of news about the occurrences down there. And if we do, then some people don't hear about it. And it doesn't really hit the news cycle as much as other things. So this was something that I was really looking forward to doing because Roney is somebody whose research I follow for a while. and it's completely fascinating, and I'm very much looking forward to you hearing this conversation because he goes over three different cases, three different cases that I had never heard of before. And maybe that's on me.

Maybe I'm out of the loop. I don't know. Maybe I'm losing my touch. But if you've heard of these, fantastic. If not, then I think you're going to be as kind of flabbergasted as much as I was, just in the aspect of why doesn't this get spoken about? more. You're going to hear about 1977

Operation Saucer. You're going to hear about an occurrence in 1986, May of 1986, so exactly 40 years ago from now almost. They call it the night of the UFOs. That's an incredible one. And we start off with

the occurrences that took place in 2008 that now Brazilian military officials are actually active ones, are coming out and speaking about, hey, This happened. We chased UFOs and we saw beings and we chased the beings. And they have actual military officials coming out and speaking about this publicly.

And you really don't see this many places. You don't hear about it a lot of different places. And it's just as amazing as any other stories that I've spoken about here on the show. And that's why I could not wait to bring Roney on here to talk about these in detail so we can learn about them here on this episode of UAP. So get ready for this. These stories, I believe, belong in the pantheon of some of the most incredible, fascinating, and compelling UFO stories that I've heard in a while. And I think you're going to feel the same way after you hear it as well. So right now, myself with Roney Vernet, to discuss everything we just spoke about and more, actually, even maybe have some rituals, supernatural rituals might play into all this.

Really incredible stuff. Come back, of course, afterwards for some post-interview thoughts. But for now, myself with Roney Vernett, here. on UAP. Enjoy. Well, happy to have him join the show here for the first time. Rony Vernet, renowned UAP researcher and founder of UAPBrasil.com. Rony, great to have you on the show.

I followed your work for a long time, and I'm really happy to have you on here. So thanks for coming on. Thank you. Sorry to not make it happen before, but I think finally we can met, and I think we'll be a great conversation for your audience. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it,

because you're covering a lot of things that are happening in South America, specifically Brazil, where you are. And I think this is actually the point I want to start off with here, Roney, is that, and this isn't to knock on anybody because I do it as well. I think we're all guilty of this. We focus a lot on what's happening in the United States. That dominates the new cycle when it comes to the UFO discussion. We focus on Europe.

There are things that happen in Europe that we end up talking about. And sometimes there are things we do. focus on in Brazil, namely Virginia, which we'll get to later on. But you do, I think, my opinion, the best job out there as far as a researcher goes in really bringing people what's happening in South America. And it doesn't get enough coverage. And that's why I wanted to bring you on here today because there's some really important things that are very much worth people hearing about. So kind of starting off with something that you've been covering here, Roney, that happened in 2008. Before we get into that real quick, do you agree with that? Do you think that we

don't pay attention enough to South America, that there is a lot that happens where you are that people don't hear about enough? Yeah. And people often say, oh, this phenomenon only happens in the U.S. because it's right. The U.S. incidents dominates the news. I think the U.S. Congress are doing a pretty good job and bringing more and more attention. This is one of the reasons why these people think about that. We also have the movies, the culture, the pop culture, and all this brings to the US to become the center of these conversations. But I think we have great job, for example, from Americans doing coverage of Brazilian

incidents like James Fox, for example, the Fox brought the Virginia incident to the US public and worldwide public. public and I think we're starting to bro to break this this paradigm to this paradigm ships to start to investigate more and know more about the Brazilian incidents because in Brazil we have a lot of cases of close encounters between militaries and including beings that we discuss today yeah so I think Brazil can contribute a lot and I'm starting right now is doing this connection so try to bring some military from Brazil to US

Congress and other people that in U.S. that can help us to merge and bring this conversation together, Brazil and U.S. That's really interesting. I want to hang on to that thought because, you know, you mentioned the things that happened with the military, and that's what I find so compelling with some of these cases out of Brazil, specifically what's been happening over the past few weeks that hasn't really gotten a lot of coverage, like we said, out of Brazil, where you have military officials. talking about an event that happened 18 years ago, 2008, where they had over 20 different

sightings that were pursued, correct me from wrong, that were pursued by the military. So what did you find out about this and what has been said recently by these military commanders or military officials who are actually coming out to say this happened? Yeah. A few years ago, we had some obtaining some documents. who obtained was the Brazilian researcher Edison Boaventura, together with an entrepreneur named it Laura Miguel. They are from the same state of Varginia incidents. It's not Varginia, but Claudio's name of the city, okay? Okay. And this incident didn't happen in 1996, but very recently in 20 years ago, in 2008, okay? So a few years ago, maybe four years ago, we obtained documentation

official from the military saying, okay, we chased it not only anomalous phenomena, but also beings. And in 26 occurrence, not one or two incidents is isolated, 26 occurrence, this is crazy. And not one or two military, but dozens of military and not only the military police, because in Brazil is different from the US, the police in Brazil is military, is a state police, but all state police police are directly, directly respond to the Brazilian army. So they respond to the military chain of armored forces commander. So this is a difference for your audience understand, what your public understand. So not only with police, military police, but also Air Force was involved, the army was involved,

because when the military police encounter something anomalous, they need to respond to the hierarchy superior for for them that's the military that's the army that's the air force and these officials from the army from the air force start to inquire the military police and start to to get all the photos get all the materials uh and literally steal the material from them so this is what happened in brazil and the phenomena here in the in these incidents they they like it they have a Curious operational, curious behavior of stay above the church of the city. It's like it wanted people to look at it. It wanted military to look at it.

And maybe wanted to make some connection between religious things and these UFOs. Well, maybe to, maybe they are religious from religious people vision. But maybe they are just pretending to be. connected to religion, connected to Catholics, for example, because it was a Catholic church. And after that, the military started to chase this phenomena. The phenomena ran away to the rural area for the more isolated area in the city. And at that place, more isolated, start to appear beings. How these beings were?

They were luminous beings. It was like grays. black eyes but totally luminous and they didn't have hands or feet they were they were three feet tall very small indeed and they floated like have had three feet from the ground sometimes six feet from the ground but above the the plantations that they they had there they have sugar cane plantations in this place a lot and they were floating above the sugar plantations and the military were chasing them in many situations.

Now, real quick, just on that point, Ronnie, real quick, this information, where was the, I just want people to understand this, this information that you're telling us about came directly from the military witnesses. Am I right about that? Yeah, the first report was written by the commander there that. And ironically, the name of this commander is Eisenhower, which is the US president that many people say that was connected to beings and a lot of stories about that. Wow. And what I always say is that this phenomenon have, it can be good or bad or evil or neutral,

whatever, but it has a lot of humor, sense of humor because the phenomena could choose many military around the road, many military in Brazil, and choose the commander, Eisenhower Howard in Brazil to appear for him. So it's unbelievable. And this military is a grandson of German. So this is because his name is Eisenhower, which is a German root name. And this report was written by housing however, this commander. Okay.

And it was unbelievable because it was the first time that a commander was at the time he was a tenant, a first tenant, and he written the report, okay, we chased it beings. And not only that, he written, he wrote in the report that the beings also messed with his mind, his mind and mind of his colleagues. He was not able to carry the gun, to point the gun to the beings. Sometimes the beings were not, didn't appear,

simply didn't appear in the camera. They fear, they felt a lot of unbalanced, they felt dizziness, they felt a lot of physiological effects when these beings were close to them. And the beings were even able to create things that were not physically there. For example, the military were chasing the beings, and the beings created in the mind of the military, the illusion that was, A lake was there, a big lake. Wow.

But physically, there was not any lake there. It was only to the military stop the car and not be able to continue the chasing the beings. So it's all written in this report. I don't think I've ever heard of that before. Have you, just real quick on that detail about making the military see something that's not there. So they essentially slowed down in their chase. Have you ever, I've never heard of a detail like that before, where they're being shown something, an illusion that is just simply not there.

Yeah. I don't think you've ever heard that. So the beings were able to put in the mind of the military everything they wanted. Wow. And I translated this report to English. I can send you so you can pass also to your audience. Yeah. And it's the first report where we have directly the military saying we had contact with beings,

we had physiological effects emanating not only from the phenomena, but also with the beings. The curious things that the phenomena, not beings, but the phenomena, the lights were able to turn off all the lights of the city. The lights were also able to stop the car of the military. The car simply didn't work when the light was closed. So we had electromagnetic effects and they also have physiological effects in the body of the military. And it's all written in this report. And it's the first time, as I said, that we have physiological, electromagnetic effects and beings also witnessed it directed by the military and written in a report.

Because you have a lot of testimonies and have a lot of conversations, but not official documentation. And this is official military documentation saying that. And I think this never happened in the world, in any incident. No. And this military was very courageous because he was at the beginning of his career in the military police. The military police itself was very courageous to release it. And I think I understand why they released it because the Air Force made them to do things

that they didn't want. They practically humiliated this military police, inquiring them, give me everything you want. this is for me for example this photo is my particular equipment no matter what give me your equipment is mine now so I think the military police was not happy with without that happened and maybe this is one of the reasons why the military was able to to release this report to the public through the freedom of Brazilian freedom of information access and responded to this researcher my friend at somboventura so So this happened. Four years ago, it was released, this case from 2008.

And right now, all the military decided to speak about it because the report was released, but any military wanted to speak about that, afraid for his careers, afraid to not be promoted, all the things we know. But now all this military decided to come forward, at least seven military, including a lieutenant commander, which is out. also something unprecedented because the last commander and the only one commander that came forward to talk about closing counters was Wirage, Orlando,

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lieutenant commander together with all these other military, sergeants and master sergeants and private, all class of officials that are coming forward with him to say, okay, yes, we, you chase it, this phenomenon and these beings. And right now we're trying to give voice to this military to speak more about it. It's, it's, I mean, it's an incredible story. It should be, this is a story that should be all over the place. I think, I mean, that's why I'm so happy I got to talk to you about it today and bring you on to talk about this because I'm not seeing a lot of coverage on this. And I feel like it should be spoken about everywhere because here we have multiple military officials with, I think, correct me from wrong, everything to lose and nothing to gain by talking about this. you know, like you said, you know, they have to worry about same thing U.S. military members or agency members have to worry about losing their jobs, losing pension, losing promotions, losing their life, quite frankly.

You know, threats to family and to themselves. These are all things that we see over and over again with these intimidation tactics. And I think from what you're saying, they're at risk for the same things. but they're coming out to talk about it about this incredible incident that is almost like Roswell and Rendlesham mixed together

I don't know how else to put it where you have these sightings I think you said 26 26 different sightings and you have beings coming down with craft luminous beings that are floating above the ground eyewitness testimony of military officials

chasing these things they're stopped they can't shoot they have these illusions in front of them This is something out of a movie, Ronnie, and these people are talking about it saying that this really happened. Not only did they have a close encounter with Kraft, but they had a close encounter with a being that they were completely and totally powerless against. It was also the first time when this commander, it was happened just one month ago. This commander came in an official event of the police. This lieutenant commander is retiring right now this year.

And this event was a change of comment because he was a commander and he was passing the command to another official. So he could retire later this year. So in this official event, he was able to do a speech. And in this speech, he talked about yes, it was real. The non-human intelligence is here. We chases them. We was very courageous because the people. People were calling the police to get help because these beings were affecting these people in small communities.

And the people was asking for the police help. These beings are here everywhere. Wow. Not in the downtown city, but in the rural areas, the more far locations of the city. And the military was very courageous. We pursued them. We are not the only intelligent beings here. They were also humanoid.

We chased it then. And this was in military uniform, in official military event in front of his commander, a colonel in front of his all these colleagues. So this is unprecedented in the world. Yeah, wow. And this is why I'm putting a lot of effort to try to contact everything I can to talk about and to bring this military police to the Brazilian Congress,

to US Congress, and all people that are interested to interview them. And as you said, this commander mainly, because he is the commander, he's very courageous, because when he retires, he continues to receive payments from the government. So the government can make an excuse to remove the payment from him. We know this can happen.

Yeah. It happened with David Grush in order, for example. Yep. So his guy is just saying, I need to tell the truth no matter what can happen with me. Wow. And this is unprecedented. Yeah. So sorry, I lost your last question.

No, no, no, no. That's okay. Because I was just thinking about, you know, how should people react to this? How should people take this? because this is something to paint the picture. The video is out there, and I'll try to share it as we put this episode out, just on social media to share the video

that I know you have on your page as well on X. And this is an official, like you said, this was like an official ceremony. And I think it seems like he didn't tell anybody who was going to do this. Was this just like, hey, here's this ceremony. I'm handing over the reins. Oh, and by the way, all this is real.

We chased aliens. and I'm telling you all about it. Is that, I mean, that's pretty much how it happened. He just dropped this on everybody without any warning? I think, yes. I don't think he made any alerts to people. Oh, I'm willing to talk about this in this event. He just came there and did this speech.

And I think people were very surprised with this speech. And this is so unbelievable that when I posted in my Instagram, and it gave almost a million of views. in Instagram. Yeah. Half of the people said, this is AI because it's so unbelievable. Right. And this is not AI, guys.

This is real. This is a fact, this military coming forward. And he is coming forward with many, many details that will shock because, as I said, it was 26, uh, occurrence many, many profound experiences happening with this military. It was like the phenomenon wanted them to be the guys to spread the world. he wanted this military to to to live the experience. I don't think it's not a coincidence that this military was choose because I can guarantee you that 99% of the military that commanders that passed

for the experience, it was, it would choose to stay silent about that. Yeah, because you know the stigma, you know the problems that they can pass. And I think the phenomenon choose exactly the right. military because I think the phenomenon is intelligent enough to to see the near future and to predict or to know I don't know but to know that this military would 20 20 years after the event start to to talk about that and this is incredible because the military is retiring right now in 2026 exactly here where the president Trump is talking about that the events and the Congress and all

these timelines are shifting, merging together, and I don't think this is a coincidence. I'm with you. It feels like that convergence is maybe the path that, who knows, maybe it was a path that was set, and we don't even know. I know I'm getting a little, you know, like, metaphysical there,

but it's worth considering because, you know, this topic is incredible enough on its own. And it's just an unbelievable occurrence, Ronnie, because when we talk about this, am I getting the title right? He was a lieutenant colonel that came out to speak about this.

So when we have... And he will retire as a colonel. Okay. Watch the top rank of the military police. The military army can go to generals and the military police is the top are the colonels. Okay. So basically he's top of the top. He's like...

Yeah. Top of the food chain, if you will. And this is a guy that's, again, everything to lose, but he comes out, total shock to everyone and says, this did happen in 2008 and here's how we experienced it. And so I mentioned that again because it can't be overstated, really. Like, imagine if we try to analogize that to something that happened in the United States. Think about a top general. Think about maybe the attorney general of the Department of Justice.

I don't know. Something like that, some top government or military official to come out at the retirement party and say, or maybe like Marco Rubio, okay, like, you know, Secretary of State to come out and say, thanks for everything. It's been my pleasure to serve you. Oh, and by the way, this happened. I mean, that's essentially what took place, I guess what, about a month ago or a couple months ago in Brazil with this lieutenant colonel. And now we have this story that is just sitting out there where you have military officials, including a colonel at retirement, who are willing, not only willing, but have spoken about what they have seen. And I guess the question is,

what's next? I mean, how do we continue to get the word out there about this story for people to realize just how monumental this is? Far of the military, I read, gave partial testimonies. They didn't talk everything they know because there are some profound details that they think that if they say the complete testimony, people will say that they are completely crazy. So they just gave the testimony about the part they're more easy for people to digest. This Lieutenant Colonel, as I said, is have the retiring this year. I talked with him and he said for me that we were able to speak more when he retires. Because the same reason, he has many, many profound details that he don't want to speak right now.

Because he knows how it is ontological shock. But he will be able soon to give him. interviews to the TV for a podcast and so on to the Congress. And I'm trying to talk with everyone to spread this word and because it's very serious. And I think we'll be able to do soon a public hearing, at least in Brazil, maybe also in US if they want, with this military, because it will be the first time in Brazil that have a real public hearing with military because the best ones. We only had the researchers and the politicians. But this would be a real one

and the first one when they say I'm directed, that's firsthand witness, as a firsthand witness, of encounters with beings. So this will be unprecedented. Yeah. And I think what makes this different is, you know, at least from, and not to take anything away from the whistleblowers and the witnesses here who have come out. We all know who they are as far as who has testified in front of Congress or or otherwise who have come out to say, I worked on programs or I know people who worked on programs. But that's kind of where it ends, right? They talk about maybe what they were told about what was being worked on,

whether that's reverse engineering or we have bodies stored away somewhere. But this is the first time, and I think this is what makes this really unique and really important, is that this is the first time where you have official military members or police who are coming out to say, not only do we know this this happened, but we experienced it and here's what we saw in this official manner. So this is, you know, maybe I'm forgetting something. And I'm sure there's been other, maybe a couple of other occurrences where we can compare and contrast.

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26 days of operations. 26 caused that the population in 26 different. and there's the population asked for the military to act. So it happened through the November to December, almost two months in these 26 events of 2008. And they experienced three types of beings. The first one is like a gray being big head with black eyes, but totally luminous.

Totally luminous and floating. The other one was six feet tall, seven feet tall, like this small. one that was three feet, but six feet to seven feet tall, also luminous with black eyes. And the third one, uh, what is also crazy is that the third one was brown with red eyes and three, uh, uh, parts of the head like the Virginia being. Yeah, exactly. And they also encounter in one of these beings there.

And so maybe we have a connection. We have a more data. You can do a connection between Virginia that happened in 1996. case in 2008. Yeah, that's that's really fascinating. I did not know that part where they saw the same type of being that was described in the Virginia incident in 1996, the brown skin, the red eyes, the three kind of parts on the head. Um, that's incredible. And he said that this brown, brown, uh, this brown being was, uh, four to five feet tall. So it was the high that the commander said to me. Yeah. Yeah. And again, matching the, the description there of what we heard before

in the past. Um, are we are we talking about it sounds like ronnie we're talking about tall grays and short grays i mean just if we're trying to categorize these things it sounds like we're talking about tall and short grace they match the descriptions that we've heard from experiencers and um abductees and researchers uh but the thing that makes it different is the luminous description do we have any i mean do you have any idea why they would appear as as luminous it was the same affect it was like the beings were using the same effect these objects the phenomena the UFOs do become luminous to to cloak to have into gravity and so on so maybe these beings were using

the same devices but this is a materialistic view I have some no materialistic view also that maybe this phenomena can appear in any form or any shape that you want but the patterns are the same So he can appear like a luminous vehicle or a luminous being, whatever. So maybe the craft itself is something alive, some hypothesis that we can put. Wow. Wow. I mean it's... And I don't know.

What I'm curious is these are different types of phenomena or the different aspects of manifestations of the same phenomena, different shapes of the same phenomena, different shapes of the same phenomena or for example multiple factions these luminous gray beings were here because of the brown ones and they they are not friends so I'm curious to talk with the commander if he was able to get any any data about that because as I said they had psychic connections with these beings and maybe they received they received the images in the heads or messages and something like that that that can clarify on some kind of operation that they were doing there.

Have they, did they ever say what they felt like their intentions were? I mean, just kind of with that thought going with that. Did they ever say we felt like we were threatened, we felt like it was peaceful, or, I mean, did they ever say kind of why they felt like they were there and why it was happening to begin with? They only said that they were, they had fear in this report. but and also it's fear mixed it with a feeling of oh this is fantastic i i never saw something so more fantastic than that they cannot avoid to see that because it's so unbelievable and so

wonderful so it's a mixing of feelings of fear and and and something wonderful wow it's it's really something. I mean, just to, because I do want to get to a couple of other things, but this is just such an incredible story. And when we kind of take it back a little bit too, you know,

we talk about there's so much that happens in South America that isn't, you know, I think it doesn't get the proper attention. Another example of that is what happened in 1997. A name that you brought up a little while back here was Colonel Hollanda, I believe I'm saying it right, where in 1997 he had a similar actually event as the lieutenant colonel that we're talking about where he spoke about how they chased down, had these sightings in the 1970s and chased down these

craft. And then, and you had already mentioned it there, he was found dead. He was found hung. And, you know, obviously ruled a suicide. Other people say, was there foul play involved to make it look like a suicide? Of course, that is up for debate. but I mean so can we connect these maybe not directly Roney but can we connect these just as far as the history of the phenomenon in Brazil goes where you have that 1997 event with Colonel

Hollanda to now where we're talking about the lieutenant colonel what he said happened in 2008 yeah this was the most important event in the history of phenomenon in Brazil it was and again a lot of the coincidence the colonel Hollanda at the time he was captain but when he came forward he was colonial retired he spoke 20 years also 20 years after the incident so the events happened in 977 he came forward in in 1997 and after that he unfortunately committed suicide this was very profound because it was the first time a commander came forward to speak directly that like this case he had many incidents with anomalous phenomena But at that time, the military incidents was not with beings.

It was only with different shapes of UFOs. The Colonel Orlando had experience with beings, but after the operation, he said he was abducted that the beings came and put him an implant on his arm. He had an object inside his arm with any signal of entrance in his scheme. And he said that he was, he started to see also in his home, poster guys events, things were floating, his car was turning off and turning on alone. And he had like this hitchhiker experience after the operation. But during the operation, the official documentation, we don't have something like this case.

Where the military, during the military operations had these experiences with the beings itself and written reports about the beings, like, like that this not happened in the Operation Sasser. This is the different, but it was a big step to break the stigma about this topic. And it was the biggest, until now, the biggest experience, the biggest thing in history about the phenomenon in Brazil. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned the name, Operation Sasser, 1997. So what did he say about that exactly, just that they were like officially investigating UFOs,

but it had been denied up until that point? Yeah, the phenomena affected two states in Brazil and even in a minor incident, a third state. So he covered a lot of the area in north of Brazil. The mayors of the cities was out desperate because the phenomenon was sending lights to people in these communities and taking blood from people. And this was confirmed by exams that people

uh, did, uh, in these villages. And so the people were completely in panic. The people were traveling to other cities to avoid the phenomena. Even the priests and the police chiefs were also running away from this phenomena. Wow. So this was the time when the air, Brazilian air force needed to go there and to investigate. And this is why operation saucer happened. They just had so many lights and so many things showing up that they were trying to figure out what was going on, essentially. Yeah. And the main fact is that these people were affected by these light beings and the blood was taken from these people.

Many had permanent sequela, permanent injuries about these attacks. And I could visit some of the families that was affected. And they had some type of brain damage together. And this is why this case became so, so alarming for the, for this military to go there. So we're talking about physical effects in 1977 that Colonel Hollande came out 20 years later in 1997 to speak about before his death. To say this is what was going on, we were investigating some type of UAP. I know we weren't using the term 97, but some type of UFO phenomenon. interaction with other beings in 1977.

So we had physical effects that were medically documented for people. They were getting physically affected. You're seeing they were taking their blood. They have physical effects and everything. Yeah. And they were in a state that the red cells were taking from them. They had a deficiency in red cells. Wow.

So they were anemic. I don't think the, I don't think the English word. this enemy or something like that enemy or something like that yeah you got it is a disease when you had the deficiency in red cells uh and this was the main problem there the people being affected they're being juried and as i said some some people had permanent sequela at that time we also had animal mutilations that's something that people normally don't don't don't say about this incidents yeah and we have a lot of people missing so have everything happening in this area in Brazil.

I want to play skeptic real quick, Ronnie, because you do have a lot of people, obviously, who, and this isn't to put anybody down. I always, I've said here for years on the show, always decide for yourself on what's going on as we discuss it. But for the people who aren't entrenched in this, who haven't investigated it like you haven't spoken to the witnesses and spoken to families,

what do you say to people who would come back to you and say, well, how do you know they're not just making this all up? Like, how do you know that this isn't just some crazy story to get attention that these military officials are just making this up to maybe get back at somebody or to maybe get a book deal or a movie deal that people are just saying it? It's mass hysteria, so they're imagining it. How do you know this is not just being made up? Yeah, we have the official report.

from the military, telling how the people were affected and describing drownings of the craft that they saw. We have many photos that was released. And we have the medical testimony, the doctors that attended the people. We have the people itself coming forward. So we have many, many cross testimonies and documentations that if it was, for example, a murder case, it was completely resolved. So, but obviously we don't have the scientific approach

because we don't have the data. For example, we have 16 hours of videos that Air Force never release it. We have many hundreds of photos that Air Force never release it. So we have this lack of some data, part of the most compelling data, showing, for example, a video of a craft emerging from the, and becoming illuminated emerging from the river, from the water, and it was never released. So we have some skeptics talking about that

because we don't have the most compelling material was never released. So this is why I have this conversation of capits between people their beliefs. But as I said, we have plenty of material in this incident to say something really happened. We don't know what happened. Who was responsible to do that?

It was something human, very technological advanced, some black budget experiment, or this was non-human phenomena. So this is something that we cannot say, but that was something there very strange that affected people. And this is no doubt, no question about it. Yeah. And I think that's one of the main points too, is that we're talking about people over different cities, different towns, different parts of Brazil, who are not only separated by distance,

but also by time. What I mean by that is when we talk about the events of 1977 versus Virginia in 1996 versus what happened in 2008, the 26 straight days of events that were taking place, you're talking about events over 50 years of time. And it would be, to me, it would be pretty hard to get everybody to a lot. align over 50 years of testimony on three separate events. So it seems like something is happening, and I guess is what I'm trying to get at. How would you best explain what you've researched here, Roney? How would you best encapsulate this and put this all together for someone who is just hearing

about these cases for the first time, whether it's from 1977 or 2008? Because normally we just hear about Virginia. When it comes to Brazil, the first thing we think about is, oh, Virginia. But then we hear about these. So what do we say to people who are just hearing this? And they're kind of trying to take it all in. Like, wait, this stuff happened? Yeah. And including 10 years of the Operation Souser, we're heading, is completing right now 30 years, this year in May.

The Brazil was completely invaded by UFOs. We call here the official UFO night where all the military air force had to dispatch fighter jets to chase these luminous phenomena. And the commander of the Air Force at that time, he had to do a press conference to say, yes, we did it. We don't know what is. And our fighter jets could not afford the superior technology of this phenomenon. And he also brought this press conference all the pilots.

The pilots were there to say, yes, I was there. I chased it. It was unbelievable. I don't know what is. So we have in Brazil a long history of military. Each 10 years, we have some case, some big incident happening here. And this unbelievable close encounter. So the phenomena is no doubt he's interested in Brazil.

I don't know why. I have a hypothesis that the phenomenon itself is controlling its own disclosure because it's something, something high intelligence that maybe is here for millennials. And I think maybe he's controlling his own disclosure and maybe using this Brazilian context, because in Brazil we're more transparent. In Brazil, we have many, many religions here that deal with this spiritual world and the metaphysical. So we're more open. We are less materialistic, maybe than the other nations.

I don't know. And we are more open the military, we are more open in the government to talk about that. And certainly the phenomena being intelligent. and maybe more intelligent than us, he knows that. And maybe the phenomena choose Brazil. And I think the phenomenon is only happening here because the phenomena wanted to be seen. I don't have any explanation to why the phenomena

is appearing to this military to create this type of behavior, of press conferences, to military needed to coming forward, to say what they experience it. So I think the phenomena maybe is controlling it and choose Brazil because of the culture, because of the openness. I think maybe using Brazil as a tool to prepare for something, to guide the humanity for something, to maybe to deviate for some plan the phenomena have good or evil, I don't know, or neutral. I don't know what the plan is, but probably using Brazil as a tool to disclose itself and to guide

in some direction that I don't know what direction is. That's fascinating because I think there is a connection. I've always thought there's a connection that isn't really brought up a lot when it comes to South America. Brazil, obviously, specifically, but there's a lot from Peru. There's a lot from Chile.

There's a lot of different stories. Incredible stories like we're talking about here. Of course, I had on Timothy Albarino here a few weeks back and we spoke about in one instance, we spoke for over two hours, so we spoke about a lot of things. But one of the things that we spoke about was the face peeler's coming out, you know, that episode coming out of Peru with that instance a few years back. I think it was October of 2020, 23.

So we hear about these things. And now we're talking about, you know, physical effects from Operation Saucer that was, you know, investigated in 1977 where people are low on red blood cells. We have the animal mutilations connected with that. So there seems to be some type of connection or direction or something special. And maybe I'm losing my mind. Maybe I'm digging way too much into this. But there just has always seemed to me that there's something special about South America

when it comes to the phenomenon. Do you think I'm way off on that? Or am I kind of like on the same basis as what you were just saying? Yeah. I started with a very, very nuts and bold materialistic view. I'm engineer, a physicist, and so I'm, I was always a science guy, but more and more I dig in this phenomena, more and more like I go to this non-materialistic view in the sense that, for example, Varginia, I believe is connected some some riddles, some summoning rituals, because if, if, and this is in my documentary, I created a documentary in two years of investigation about Varginia, that's the the dark side of UFOs in Brazil, power money and rituals, because I was just uncovered that all this territory where the Virginia beings appear, they were using for black magic and summoning

rituals from very, very rich people in Virginia, people that owns almost all the land in Virginia. And he was not alone. He was studying these summoning rituals with other powerful people in the region. And we have also in, for example, not many people know that. I think most of people don't know that, but in Saint-Tome-Daz-Lietras, this is that watch the city closer to Virginia. In the 60, this city was, there was a hip movement there. All these people using psychedelics came to the city and they start the movement with

alternate society with famous Brazilian singers in Brazil. They created to create an alternate reality community there using psychedelics and so on. And they also wanted to, they founded the Telema here, the Telema from Alex DeCrowly, which is no to try to summon beings and so on. So this is, I think we, and also in Brazil, we have many, many places very isolated, very preserved nature. We have many, many indigenous communities also practicing these, this, this. rituals where we have in this Amazon for example where I was in

2024 the orbs were visiting the indigenous in the inside their houses and they there practice rituals with ayahuasca and other herbs there and we have in Brazil a lot of religions that mix it African and European magic rituals to create Brazilian new Brazilian religions and this responds at least to 5 to 10 million in Brazil. It's a lot of people practicing rituals here. And you are starting to see in this phenomena, for example, some organizations like Skywatcher and others

doing this summoning, this psychic connections to attract the phenomena. And I think for us in Brazil, this is something together with spiritism, with you band and condo and candonblay and king banding all the religions that we have here, plenty of religions, that do this for decades. Decades long, we do the summoning of these entities.

And I think maybe this is one hypothesis that could explain, I don't think it's something alone. I don't think it's only this. But all this contest together with the openness, with the culture and so on, could explain why we have in Brazil all this phenomenon happening here with this aggressive connection to people, this closing encounters and so on.

So this is a very strong hypothesis for me. Yeah, that's fascinating. But it was very difficult to accept because, as I said, I was very, very nuts and boats. And it was really hard to accept, but I don't have any other explanation after these years of investigation. Incredibly fascinating. I mean, do you think, maybe this isn't the answer to everything, but you mentioned, like, Alastair Crowley. I mean, you mentioned some of, like, you know, the ancient rituals that are taking. place. Do you think some of this is coming from a dark place? I mean, an evil place? Do you think

some of this is evil in nature with that, some of that stuff in mind? And again, just a hypothesis. Yeah, for example, if you get the mutilations, the pattern of the mutilation is very, very similar to the mutilations that black magic rituals do. The difference is that when you have these anomalous mutilations like people say chupacabra and these other beings, they were completely clean in the way that clear cuts without blood. It was the incision was made using a tool. And when a human do that, it will do it in a completely dirty way. It will stay blood in the area. It is, you have many, many, many characteristics that you can say, oh, it's a human that did it here.

So I think sometimes the phenomena is influencing people to do, for example, mutilations, these sacrifices for them, these dark forces. And sometimes the phenomena itself is coming here, materializing here, and coming here to do the service. And I think this is one of the hypotheses that I'm considering. The two ways, different ways, because when the phenomena materialize here, the phenomenon present here it demands energy is physics and I don't think this is the most economic way for them to come so the most economic way the most the the main

road for them is to maybe influence people like they did with this military psychic influence put things in the mind putting ideas in the mind so maybe the the humans can do something for them without them to need to interfere here in directly. So maybe I think this is happening. Very, very interesting. I mean, and I think there's a lot of answers to it, but, you know, it seems like maybe that could be one of the reasons why things happen the way that they do because of different summoning rituals. It's very possible. Before we're done here, Roney, I did want to bring up something, two things actually that you mentioned earlier that I wanted to bring back around. There was something that really piqued my interest when you said 10 years after

Operation Saucer, so I guess sometime in the 80s, there was a different incidents where they were chasing the military was chasing UFOs did I hear you say that right sorry well the operation saucer you're talking about or 10 years after I think you said maybe about somewhere in the 90s okay okay was with 1986 okay okay 986 May 19 20286 in May is the official UFO night official for night was this incident completely different from Operation saucer where the Brazilian traffic military traffic saw this phenomenon invading all the territory of Brazil,

and all the military air bases had to dispatch fighter jets to chase the threats. That's incredible. And this happened in all the territory of Brazil. How is this? I mean, maybe I'm just, you know, not with it, but I like to think that I am. I like to think I keep up on these things, but I don't feel like that really gets spoken about. I mean, we're talking about UFO night in Brazil, May, 1986, where it's literally, they're seeing what they interpreted as some type of, you know, invasion possibly, where they're now sending out military jets to respond.

I mean, this is an all-out effort to respond to something that they're seeing coming in. So, I mean, what happened here in the end? Yeah. In this incident, the phenomenon was staying above oil refinery, energy generators, military bases. It's like the phenomenon was doing. some search, some research about our infrastructure. And military, I think, were very afraid. This happened also in US, right now.

The phenomenon is always in the nuclear bases, in the water reservoirs, and the phenomena did the same in Brazil in 19866. It's like, I think the military maybe can think they were mapping, and so this could be a threat in the future. So this is why the military their despot, the fighter jets, not only because the phenomena was there invading, but because of where the phenomena was.

Right, right, right. What did they see? I mean, as far as craft are concerned, were these just kind of like bright lights in the sky? Because it almost sounds like the drone incursions over the eastern part of the United States in late 2024. I mean, did they see lights? Did they see actual shape to these things? Did they get low to the ground?

What did witnesses describe there? They saw only orbs, different shapes, different sizes, and different colors. Okay. So a lot of like- So luminous bodies, yes. So a lot of different orbs, essentially, that were coming down. And that was just one night after that, those incursions stopped? Or?

Yes, it was one day. It happened during one night. It was why you call the official UFO night. and the day after that because all the population in most cities of Brazil was able to witness that and it was impossible to hide

so this is why they had to do a press conference about that right are the media more open there when it comes to this in the military the government are they more open to discussing this as you know and not to say that we're not here it's more now than it ever has been

but it's still kind of looked at a little bit with a side eye. It's being taken most seriously it's ever been taken here in the United States, but it still kind of gets that, you know, a little like, you know, I'm not sure how to take this look by some of the national media or by some in the federal government. Is it different there? Is this taken more seriously in Brazil or in South America as a whole?

Much more open than U.S., I think, both the military and also the media, more open than U.S. and other parts of the world. They treat it very serious. And there are waves where they are, the commander is more open to release things. There are at all the time where the commander is not so open to talk about that because he's afraid to open and people question and make more and more questions and they don't want that. They don't want to acknowledge that they can't protect everyone with a phenomenon that can invade here all the time you want. So have these waves of openness between different times. Yeah.

And so I'll finish on this, Roney, because this has just been, I mean, educational. I would probably say for sure, fascinating and super compelling. So I appreciate the time that you put into this here with us today for you AP and for everybody listening or watching. But I want to go back to something that you said at the beginning that I think is a really important note for the future. you mentioned that you're trying to work with people to get some of these military officials to work with U.S. officials, whether it be Congress or otherwise. What has that process been like for you? And do you feel like that's something that might be able to work out to get these officials or your colonels or commander who might be more out into the open in front of more eyes and possibly even United States officials? Is that something that you feel like could take place?

Yeah. Senator Eduardo Geron from Brazil was the responsible to organize the last public here in Brazil in 2022. And he was last year in US to talk with Eric Burleson about the Varginia. And they did a collaboration to try to do a conversation with the military, to try to share data. between the two countries. And I have contact with Senator Geron, so I'm preparing a memorandum of documents about this incident with this military

to send for them. And also to send, I have connections to send them for the US Congress and for US people that could help to make this conversation happen in both ways. But logically, when I pass it to Senator Geron, he also has this connection emphatic but also. They can talk about that also. Very good. Just incredible stuff, Ronnie.

And again, I really appreciate you doing this. Hopefully we can, you know, stay in touch. Because again, like I said at the beginning. I really appreciate your work, what you've done in the research field on this, and kind of taking that, you know, approach. Like you said, kind of nuts and bolts, that engineering mind. And kind of taking that approach to this to start with. And just trying to get the details.

Just try to get as many facts as you can. And I think that's exactly what we need. I know you have a lot of stuff online, whether it's UIPBrizil.com, you have your documentary. You spoke about dark side of UFOs in Brazil, money, power, and rituals. So how can people find more about what you're doing and follow along? Yeah. People can go to my YouTube channel in the membership area. I have this document because it's a way to finance other explorations of their missions in Brazil.

Brazil is a continental place like U.S. It's very expensive to do these travels and so on. So people can support my work so I can do another investigations and dig more and more. I'm starting a project to do more field explorations in Brazil to get more data with more better equipment. So people want to support my work. Just go there in my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash honey verne. And also in X, I think in X I spoke more in English with people worldwide.

where I put all the news, what's happening in Brazil. So people want to stay tonnet about what's happening in Brazil. They can go to X. And that is also my first documentary that is open. It's free for all. It's in YouTube. People can search for phenomena in Amazon, Indigenous encounters. So people will find this documentary.

It's not in my membership area. As I said, it's free. And you can just start watching it's awesome. Absolutely. Ronnie Renette, thank you so much for coming on here. It's my pleasure to bring you on. And like you said, hopefully we can do it all again soon. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Well, thank you again to Roney for coming on here. You heard us mention at the beginning, just some backstory. And I even mentioned it in some of the other episodes, how schedules didn't align. Some different things happened where we had some clashes on the schedule. And this is actually something that we've been trying to get done for about two or three weeks now. But better late than never, as they say.

And so I'm just really happy that it was able to be. to happen and then I can bring it to you here today because, I mean, you heard it, whether it was that case in 2008 that we're talking about that is now just becoming public, the 1977, you know, Operation Saucer there, 1986 and 90 of the UFOs where it was public knowledge that these things were being chased. So there's so much more than just Virginia. And I don't mean that in a, you know, dismissive way because Virginia in itself, and I've said this before and I don't go back on it, I believe is one of the most important cases ever in

uphology because of just for the sheer fact of the amount of material witnesses and the biologics that go along with it, the medical studies, the medical proof, there is so much that goes along that the military, just like with this, military aspects with Varginia. But these other three stories that we spoke about, absolutely, in my opinion, go along with, you know, the lore of Virginia as well. I mean, when we talk about active military members talking about an occurrence that took place in 2008, and they're saying, we chase these things.

And it's just the ramifications of this should be felt. And I hope that these stories get more play, that they get noticed more through this interview that I was able to present here today on the show. because you have that and you have the 1977 case where that was spoken about in 1997 by the Colonel there, Colonel Holanda, you heard us talking about him. And then he winds up dead. I mean, how eerie is that?

How familiar does that sound to some things that we've heard here in the United States just recently with, you know, the cases, the 13, the 14 missing different scientists or military officials who have either been killed or have gone. gone missing. And then we hear about this colonel in Brazil who speaks about Operation Saucer where they had all these different occurrences that were investigated. And he talks about it 20 years later in 1997. And then he just offs himself. He just hangs himself just like that. Listen, there's absolutely could be other circumstances there that I need to look into myself that would point to a clear suicide that is absolutely possible. But you can't help at least on the

surface when you first hear that to be a little bit suspicious given the story that we're telling. That's my thinking behind that. And then, you know, incredibly, and you probably heard my surprise during it when he mentioned that 1986 occurrence, the night of the UFOs that he says he refers to it, where you actually have military pursuit of what they called an invasion. They had so many different lights coming in all these orbs, these glowing orbs. They had so many coming in that it was unavoidable to have, you know, the public notice it. And it became so bad that they actually had to scramble military jets to go and take care of this.

So, I mean, you were, you know, in their eyes, maybe it sounds like hyperbole, but in their eyes and what Roney was saying at least 40 years ago, they were in their estimation fighting off an invasion. I mean, think about that. and that doesn't get noticed, that doesn't get spoken about. I mean, in 40 years, that's the first time I've heard of that story. Again, maybe that's something that you've come across and it's so fantastic. But if not, then you just learned about it at the same time as I did. So there are just so many things here that I'm so glad that we got to learn about them. You know, even the supernatural aspect of it, you know, the summoning,

having to do with some of that dark magic or dark spirituality that Roney was referring. to. Does that have anything to do? Does that play into this at all? Fascinating to consider all the details here. But my goodness gracious, absolutely adding these to the list of stories that should be thought about more, spoken about more, and investigated more. And I'm happy we can do that here today. But with all that said, we will move on to the next episode. And if I get to do another month in review, which I would like to do at the end of May, then I can assure you I'll revisit this in a little bit more. detail at that point. But as we move on, we'll get to our next episode coming up here with

Ron James, director of media relations from Mufon, a very prolific documentarian, award-winning documentarian, of course, within this topic. And he's coming out with a new movie, accidental truth, part two, if you will, and you'll hear about that in detail. Accidental Truth was something that he came out with a few years ago, and that made pretty big waves in the UFO community. And I was happy to bring him on to talk about the next installment. of the accidental truth, and we'll do that coming up on UAP. And then, of course, much more. I mean, we get into a lot of the current topics of the day

and get his really, you know, kind of like unique perspective of someone who's in media relations with Mufon. You know, you put kind of both of those together. I was really kind of interested to pick his brain on how he views the current media coverage, the current media frenzy around the UFO topic and how they seem to be taking it more seriously in most aspects. So we get into a lot of that. And it's pretty darn interesting, I think.

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