UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 205 UFO Disclosure on Repeat?

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Have we seen this before? Award winning documentarian and Media Director of MUFON, Ron James, joins Stephen Diener to discuss his brand new film as well as the way that disclosure is being covered in the media. Ron seems to hint that we should pump the breaks a bit and take a look at some recent history...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, welcome back into UAP. Stephen Dean are back with the year. As always for episode number 205 of UAP. Happy to be back with this one as we welcome in Ron James. Someone actually I've been kind of, you know, in the background. I've followed what he's done throughout the years. Ron James, very notable documentarian, media relations director from Mufon.

I've met him at multiple conferences and the congressional hearings, but never actually had him on UAP before. Well, the opportunity finally presented itself to have on Ron James here on the show. And I was happy to record this interview with him. Actually, just last week and finally getting to present this to you now, and it has been a crazy week for multiple reasons. And I actually wanted to put out another episode this week. Unfortunately, only getting one out right now.

I would like to have two out for you at this point. But it's just been a crazy week, a lot going on in the world of UAP. So that said, we get this one here. It's like, it's not bad. I'm happy to put this out with myself and Ron James. And we go through a lot of like the general discussion, not only around his new film. We get to talk about his new film that he has coming out.

To follow up to the previous hit that he had, accidental truth, it's accidental truth next beyond UFO and disclosure. So we get into that. That's going to be streaming in just a couple of weeks. We talk about what he's doing there, which was really cool. I'm looking forward to watching it. but we also get into his views as someone who is the media relations director for Mufon, right, which is a pretty big title, pretty big position to be in.

I was interested to get his take on how the UAP topic is currently being covered within the media. And interestingly enough, and I think this actually worked to an advantage when it comes to the timing, we did this before the White House UFO files drop. I think it was like a day or two. It might have been the day before the files dropped. Now, normally you would think that's a disadvantage because we didn't get to cover the latest thing that happened. But listening back to it myself and taking notes,

this actually, I think, worked as an advantage because it gives us a different perspective on what he's saying here, knowing in the back of our minds that he's saying all this before the files even dropped from the White House. And you'll see what I'm getting at because he had a different take on how this stuff is being covered, how it's being presented. And I think what he puts forth is pretty poignant,

given where we are now just a week after we had this discussion. So we get into a lot of those things and the general discussion surrounding the UIP topic right now in the media and otherwise. Here on this episode of UAP, stick around for after the interview with a few afterthoughts. And I want to get into because I really haven't been able to kind of do a deep dive, or at least kind of a deep dive, a medium dive, I suppose. into the file release. There are some things that I've been kind of cooking in my mind over the past week since then

that I wanted to touch on and haven't been able to yet here on the show anyway. On social media I did, but here on the show I haven't been able to do that. So I do want to touch on some of those things that stood out to me from the file release and what might come still in the next batch of files whenever those might drop. So stick around for after the interview for some of those things. But until then, here's myself and Ron James right here. on UAP. Enjoy. Really probably needs no introduction

with all the work that you've done here, Ron. So, Ron, thanks so much for coming on here to UAP. It's a pleasure to have you on for the first time. Yeah, thank you, Stephen. It's going to be fun. Yeah, absolutely. And there's because there is a lot going on for sure that we can cover. There's no shortage of news. That is for sure these days when it comes to the UAP topic.

And actually, I'll talk to you about that, too, just as far as the news cycle goes, because I'm interested to get your take as someone who works in media relations with Mufon, director of media relations, and all the documentaries that you've done, kind of how you see this playing out in the news cycle lately. So we'll get into that.

But first, with your documentaries, I do want to bring that up. A lot of people remember, of course, accidental truth when you came out with that in 2023. That was kind of like one of those, you know, groundbreaking landmark things to hit the UFO documentary circuit, if you will, with movies and information. And now you have the follow-up.

I don't know if you want to call it a sequel or a follow-up, but it's accidental truth next, beyond UFO disclosure. And that's coming out in just a few weeks on June 2nd. So we can start there. What can people expect now to the follow-up to accidental truth? Well, it's a continuation of the journey. And, you know, basically it follows me into Washington, D.C., where I really think I'm proving to the audience that people can make a difference.

So you get to see some behind closed doors, things going on. You get some history that people aren't really aware of in what we've seen unfold in the media. But then also it becomes pretty obvious to me and just like it probably is to the rest of people watching right now. We're only going to get so far with disclosure expecting it from the government and from this process. at some point, we're just going to be exhausted in our quest for knowledge. And so the film takes a right-hand turn and goes into a whole other level of what this is about, the kind of questions that we really should be asking.

And we literally explore all of the new things that are coming into focus and some of the old things that have been taught to us for ages and start asking literally what's next. Once we accept the presence of non-human intelligence, where do we go from there? How does it affect us? And, yeah, I would say we start with the brick and mortar of Washington, D.C., and we end up at the edge of reality. So I'm there with the viewer for the whole journey. So I hope people really enjoy that.

I wanted to move the ball again. And so changing and evolving the conversation is what this film's about. Yeah, and that's great. I mean, I think that's exactly, it's exactly the right time for it, right, with that conversation, with everything happening right now, it seems like anyway on the surface that the conversation keeps moving more forward every single day. Maybe, you know, and that's a difference of opinion, right? I mean, it just depends on your read of the room. Some people say it's lateral. Some people say it's just, it's all for show.

Nothing's going to happen. What is your take on it, Ron? I mean, in the current news cycle right now and how much this is being covered and, you know, relating to your new film, how do you, what is your read on this? Do you feel like we are getting closer to something significant happening here? Um,

you know, this thing has been a repeat performance. Even in the first accidental truth movie, we point out that we've all seen this show before. It was, it was laid out to us almost exactly the same back in the 50s with General Samford and Don Quijo and the Robertson panel and congressional hearings and all this stuff. It already happened.

And what we got out of it was this lucid mission that there's probably something that we don't understand of, you know, buzzing around the skies. And so here we are again, as we point out in the film, it's been almost a decade, Stephen, since the, since Lou Elizondo stepped forward with Chris Mellon in these videos. And do we really have anything more? You know, we've had some cryptic testimony in Congress. We've had some hearings. We've had some drama. We've had some rumors. but have we gotten anything official from the government that tells us anything more at all?

And the answer is no. It's been almost 100 years now. We're still being told the same stuff and not much more. Now, I do believe that their hand is being forced. I'm in the camp that says, you know, obviously that this information has been guarded by a select group of people ever since it became common knowledge within government, well, not common knowledge, ever since it became known by elements of government.

It's buried deep in corporate and deep black program silos, and they're only going to tell us what they think we absolutely need to know. And so ever since 2017, I believe this is, we've been witnessing an ongoing controlled, disclosure. But is it ever going to be the full truth about everything that's going on that they know about and the things that they've done? We're not going to get that from D.C. So my prediction is, you know, I predicted that we would have the first big announcement coming that says, hey, we found some evidence of life on Mars. So we got that last year. So now we've broached the

official acknowledgement that life could exist on another planet. Luna has dropped some hence, I've been told by some people, we're going to get to see some of these videos probably, and they're going to say, yeah, look at all this. We don't know what it is. And they're going to continue with that. Yes, it's possible. It's non-human, but we're just not sure. And that's, that's this big disclosure that we're going to get. And it's not going to go much beyond that. Donald Trump is not going to show up at a podium with pictures from Roswell. It's just, you know, it's just not going to happen. And that's, I mean, it's funny you bring that up, though, I mean, because that is something that people talk about.

It's kind of like that, you know, Independence Day, Hollywood, you know, type of fantasy where you have that moment of the president of the United States standing at the podium. We're sitting behind the Resolution desk and saying, we are not alone. And here is the proof. Look, I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But there's just been, you know, I've come to understand this game and how it's played and what they're doing. and you know there's a lot of people in Washington, D.C. that all have great intentions

and want to see the truth come out as much as we want it to come out in the general population. But their hands are tied, and I really think they've dragged it for as far as they're going to drag it, and there is opposition to full disclosure. And what we're seeing play out is the result of this internal battle. So in the new film, right in the middle of the film, I literally just give up on any kind of expectations of why. Washington, D.C. There's even a segment in the film where the record skips across the record player.

And I come on and I say, you know, this is sounding like a broken record because it is. And then I take the film in the audience at a whole different direction in search of answers. Interesting. Okay. I mean, it's going to be coming out soon. We said beginning of June, June 2nd, I believe, right? It'll be out on. Yeah, June 2nd.

It'll be out on Amazon, Apple, and YouTube movies and TV. And people can see the first accidental truth. right now for free on YouTube if they want to check it out. That's awesome. And of course, I'll have the links. I'll put those out on social media and everything to go along. But it is. I think it's perfect timing for this because, well, it's almost, I hate to say contrarian

because, and I use that word, maybe not in the literal sense, but as an example, because so much of the conversation right now, Ron, is centered around D.C. It is centered around congressional members of whether it's what I refer to personally as the big three, the big three names connected to this with Congress in Burchett and Luna and Burleson, whether it's J.D. Vance talking about it on a podcast or someone from the media asking President Trump about it, it seems or someone from the media asking Barack Obama about it. I mean, it seems that a lot of this has really kind of now revolving around the D.C. conversation. What are we going to learn from DC?

Are we going to get 46 videos from the Pentagon? And so your take on this, which is, I think one that that is, again, well-timed and in the film, is that it's kind of more the same. And you've seen this, as you put it, this is more of a game and we should be paying attention to XYZ instead. Why do you think it is a game? and what is, I guess, the object of the game? Well, the object of the game is we have a lot of people that have done a lot of really bad things in connection with covering up this information.

And they and their associates and cohorts have to cover themselves. At the same time, I think it's becoming apparent to pretty much everybody that if they don't admit something, sooner or later it is literally going to be impossible to deny. So, you know, technology is moving forward, the civilian space program is moving forward, the ability of just average people to get their hands on technology that can detect these things. It's just culminating in a necessity to disclose something or else they're just going to have egg on their face. But at the same time, there's the technology that they've had that, you know, Stephen Greer talks about this a lot.

Imagine if there's, it's what's powering these things. Imagine if there's an ability to create a box so you can put in your house. It'll power your house and power your car. The entire structure of control and money and power on this planet literally dissolves overnight because it's all built on energy and basically enslaving the population to pay for that energy and its derivatives. And then, of course, you have the religious and social implications of all of it. That's all true elements of why they don't want to disclose. And because of people that are in power are the very same people that are controlling this information.

So they have nothing to gain by coming out and revealing all to the rest of us. It's being kept and controlled by an elite few. And so what we're seeing in D.C. with the government, with, you know, Congressman Tim Burchett, Eric Burleson, you know, I've met all these guys. They're in my movie, hung out with them. And I believe, especially Tim and Eric, they really care about the topic and they want to get to know what is going on. But then at some point, we've watched something happen. Over this last couple of years that they've been pursuing this, they have started to get access to some of this information. They've all worked on their security clearances.

In the beginning, somebody who worked on a reverse engineering program could walk into Tim Burchett's office, but if Tim Burchett doesn't have the clearance to listen to what the person asks to say, they cannot discuss it with them. And so we had a lot of Congresspeople that just simply didn't have the ability or the need to know that are banging on the door and demanding answers, but even the people that could tell them anything couldn't say. You know, even Lou, Elizondo could not walk into Tim Burchett's office and tell him everything he knew. And David Grush literally cannot tell Eric Burleson, at least in the beginning, everything he knows, even though Burleson hired Grush to work in his office. But it doesn't mean that Grush can spill

the beans to Burleson. So you have this classification barrier. And then what I've seen happen and what I suspect has happened is that some of them now have been briefed on stuff. And now they're part of this secret. They understand the redact. They understand the need for disclosure, for controlled disclosure. They understand the need for the secrecy. And now they're just part of this process instead of being the renegades that are out demanding stuff. They've been brought into those rooms and told things that's brought them into compliance with the new narrative. Interesting. So what, I know. Sorry, that was a mouthful. No, no. It's, it's all very, very relevant to the discussion, to the conversation, because, you know, it kind of makes me thinking,

And I've asked this question to some different people, Ron. And I'm always interested to hear the answer because there's always like a little new nugget every time I ask this question. What would disclosure be to you? You know, I remember asking this question to Steve Bassett. And he always refers to it as capital D disclosure. So, and I love that term. And I have admittedly stole it from him with capital D disclosure. I've said many times here and it came from him.

but is I mean so what would in Steve Bassett's term what would capital D disclosure be to you in a lot of wrinkle here that I've that I haven't added before that would be in an acceptable manner to keep to those those elites in the background to keep those people at bay to keep them satiated and happy that you're not upsetting the apple cart too much but we're letting the We're letting the people know something. Is that possible? And what would that be to you? Well, you know, that's what we're going to see is we're going to see this controlled disclosure. Danny Sheehan talks about it a lot, that there's a timeline and a certain amount of knowledge that's going to be shared with humanity. And that's how they're choosing to do it. And Danny also talks a lot about how we don't really have the infrastructure, societal, religious, and even educational on the planet to digest and absorb and displace.

distill this knowledge. So these are all things that the people that are that have designed this disclosure have to take into consideration. And then we have the catastrophic disclosure, which I would love to see is, you know, all of a bunch of reporters get into a hangar and there it is. There, yeah. Right. Steve Bassett and I go back a long way. Steve is one of the reasons I got into the field. He hired my production company to produce his events. And that's where I met everybody. And, you know, so the whole thing about disclosure, you know, I agree with him. When a head of state comes on television to the public and makes the acknowledgement, we're not alone in the universe. He used to have a broader definition and more expectations. And now I think

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And that's okay. And it's really interesting because when we talk about that moment, right, if we got that moment where we hear, yep, we're not alone. Have a nice day. So what happens from there, right, where we have that acknowledgement. And I do think that there might be, and I'm interested to get your opinion on how kind of the hierarchy of this would work. I think for people like you and I and some of us in this field, we would be like, awesome.

That's the first time anybody's actually definitively said this in an official manner. This is historic. But what about everything else? But I do think you would have a lot of the people who don't pay attention to this or have always said, no, it's all, you know, it's all just hearsay, it's ridiculous, it's not true. Now they're in on the basic disclosure, right? So do you think there is an instance, Ron, where now the people who are experiencing basic disclosure who never believe this to begin with, would it cause more upheaval than? then people being satiated because then you might have people take that and have a domino effect. Or do you think I'm thinking too much into it where now they start asking questions where it's, oh, okay, so we aren't alone.

But then does that mean people have been abducted? Does that mean that they built the pyramids? Does that mean they've been here? And you start to have that little domino effect. I mean, is that an inevitable thing that would happen down the road, do you think? Well, no matter what they tell us, it's going to leave more questions and answers. Yeah. You know, and they're certainly going to be the first one's leading.

It's like, hey, this is what we've seen. Here's some weird videos. We don't know what it is. And that's what they're going to try to pass off in the beginning. It really boils down to context. And there used to be this question, can humanity handle the truth? And the answer was always a resounding. Of course, we can handle the truth.

But I think that the answer is truly a little more complex and nuanced than that. If we have a situation where they disclose, And let's remember, this is the ancient alien generation. Okay, all of us, we grew up with these shows. We've been saturated by this stuff for so long that it's very difficult anymore to find anybody who will be like, oh, no, there's no such thing as non-human intelligence. That's preposterous. Most people will agree that there's probably life in the universe.

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Occasionally they're here. We don't know anything about it. There doesn't seem to be any threat. Then people are going to go, okay, well, keep us posted. Life goes on. We knew something like that was happening. And they go about their lives. But if they come out and they say, hey, there's non-human intelligence, there's a whole

variety of them. They all have superior technology to us. We have no defense. Some of them do not appear to have our best interests at play. They're abducting people. They're doing all kinds of nefarious things. We don't know what their end game is and we cannot protect you. Well, that's going to evoke a completely different response.

So disclosure, it's the context of disclosure is going to depend on how rapidly and how radically it affects society. Right. And it's a really interesting time because, you know, I think with it's, it feels like the discussion is more heightened. Maybe because of social media, maybe because, you know, mainstream media is just more prevalent than it was maybe 50 years ago. So actually, so on that note, Ron, when it. comes to your work within media, right, as the media relations director at Mufon, how have you seen this as far as the news cycle goes? How have you seen this from your perspective, how it's being covered, how this, it seems like the tenor has changed, there's a little bit

less stigma, again, seems like in the way that mainstream media covers this. You don't hear as much of the X-Files music playing behind a news report. about this. You know, it's being asked by serious mainstream news reporters. Congress people are on podcast talking about it and on national news stations for that matter. So, I mean, do you, how do you see this as far as, is that something that's different than what we saw before? Like you said, how you covered it in accidental truth and how have you covered it in your follow-up here? Is that something that's a little bit different than what we've seen before and how the tenor has seemingly changed on this nationally and government-wise?

Well, you know, it's cyclical. I would love to say, oh, this is unique. We're on this new verge of a whole new age of disclosure. But the fact of the matter is that this happened before, exactly the way it's unfolding right now. Back in the late 40s and 50s and 60s, UFOs were huge topics. Dozens of books were written on the subject. It was all over the news. when sightings were happening, they were front page news all over the place. People were appearing on the news shows. People were testifying in front of Congress. The public was consuming the UFO stuff as much as they are right now in ratio.

And then it kind of died down and then it came back up. But what we're seeing now is the fervor that we're seeing is really no greater than we've had fervor in the past. and it's kind of sad that people have forgotten about this history. But the other thing is the mainstream media is still not paying as much attention to it as we think they are. We've got News Nation, who's front and center with Ross's show and with some of the other coverage they're doing. There's a few sporadic smaller news stations that are focusing on a lot like Fox 32 out of Chicago. and then Newsmax does a little bit. And then occasionally it'll break through to CNN or MSNBC or one of the bigger outlets.

But then at the same time, we have like the Wall Street Journal publishing a complete debunking article that destroys the entire field in one article, just literally kneecaps all of us. And so, you know, I don't think it's getting the attention that we think it is. And then we're in this little microcosm of podcast. We all know each other. we're all watching the same thing. We're all getting everything in our YouTube feeds. So we think it's this major saturation. But as far as, you know, is it really spreading like wildfire through worldwide mainstream media?

It's a little tepid. And it's not as big as we think it is. Interesting. No, it's really, you know, interesting perspective, which is why I wanted to ask you about it, because I know that's where your expertise is at. And with your work with Mufon as well, Ron, obviously you've heard countless stories and the research that you've done. Is it possible that there is sometimes a case of mistaken identity when it comes to crashes

and not to play off of the Wall Street Journal article that you brought up before where they were basically just saying this whole thing is one big entire sciop when that came out some months ago. But is it possible just based off of some of the things that you've seen and that you've researched over the years that some of the things that have come out, not saying all because I don't think that's the case personally, but that some of the things that have come out or some of the things stories or crashes or, you know, that we've been fed and reported, that it has been put out for a purpose. Do you think that's a possibility? Well, it's certainly possible that disinformation agents would float rumors of alien spacecraft to cover up a crash of, say, a highly confidential airplane or something like that.

And I don't think we can ever say that every, you know, every unproven case and every rumor of non-human craft being recovered is, it just must be true. I'm also working on a film about Leonard Stringfield's work. And for those who don't know who he is, Leonard Stringfield is arguably one of the best UFO investigators of all time. And when he passed away, Mufon got his files, which is a giant steel file cabinets full of very detailed records that were conveyed to him about crashes and crash retrieval programs. And in fact, everything that they call the legacy programs now that they've attached that name to, most of them came out of Leonard Stringfell. field's research and were documented. This guy had unprecedented access to different members of the military and people that were involved in this.

And they were open and told him things that you just couldn't get now. And so we have these extensive files, highly detailed files of case reports of crashes, down to what the craft looked like, what the occupants looked like, where the debris was taken. And so, you know, either this is one of the biggest works of fiction ever. created by humanity or this guy documented some things that really happened and I'm in the camp that most of them probably really happened. They're highly detailed and it's going to come out in a new film. Oh, that's awesome. That's fantastic. I mean, that's going to be incredible to see

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The thing that's sticking with me the most is that this is all pointing to the difference between subjective and consensus realities, and it's pointing to a whole mechanism in how reality works. The experiencer phenomenon, I keep saying experiencers are going to have their day. These people are having consistent communication with non-human beings all over the world, bearing very similar messages, very similar circumstances, and we're going to run out of gas in this political process in Washington, D.C. It's only going to get us so far.

And if we are not willing to start taking another look at some of these esoteric explanations, alternative physics, the nature of reality itself, and the fact that these people that are having these communications need to be at least heard because what they are conveying is widespread, and it's changing the way people perceive the whole phenomenon. And so we have to start listening to the experiencers.

We have to start looking at some of these esoteric things that we've dismissed in the past because we cannot explain what we're encountering with nuts and bolts science. We just can't do it. The pieces do not line up. And so to me, what sticks with me the most is that humanity is being awakened one person at a time.

And once you have these experiences, once you have these communications, there is nothing that will convince you that this is not a real thing and that it happened to you. So we have to start listening to some other sources of information. Yeah. And one thing I've noticed, I'm sure you have to, is the timeline of events. What I mean by that is how connected some of these stories are and how connected some of these experiences are.

from say 2025 to 195. And it's somebody in New York versus somebody in Mexico City. And I mean, how would you explain that to somebody, right? If someone comes to you and says, Ron, I can't believe you spend your time on this. This stuff is obviously not true. You know, what makes you think this is true? How would you explain to somebody that type of scenario where you have these different, completely different people, completely different timelines, parts of the earth,

but they seem to give, or in some cases they do literally give the same type of eyewitness testimony and experiences over time. Well, the numbers themselves indicate the numbers and the consistencies of the stories, the method of communication, the messages that are being communicated, the effect it has on the people that are having these experiences, is just by share numbers indicate that we just cannot continue to say that there's nothing to this and that we should dismiss it and that these people are somehow disturbed. We have to, we just have to acknowledge the numbers. And so, you know, you're never going to convince anybody of anything.

I gave that up a long time ago. You know, it's like the simulation theory argument. I can sit here right now and lay out a case that is almost irrefutable based on just the most simple, simplified physics that there is a simulated nature to this reality that we're living in. But if you can't wrap your head around it, you can't wrap your head around it. So what's the point? But the numbers are overwhelming. The consistency is overwhelming.

And we just have to start looking at that. And people need to make up their own minds. But they should do it from doing their research before they do. We're dealing in a situation that not only with the ET phenomenon, but with politics and a whole lot of other things, where people are coming up with steadfast positions and steadfast belief systems that they will go to the mat for with surprisingly little research to validate their points of view.

And so, you know, the more you're going to defend a point of view, the more I hope you've actually studied the facts on both sides of the argument to have a reason to have that point of view. And if you haven't done that, then do that first. Yeah. Right. And there's plenty to study. That is for sure. And I know that you explored in your films in the past and now. I'm looking forward to seeing it, by the way, the new film that you have coming out with accidental truth. So I know Thomas Jane and Matthew Modine are part of this as well. As far as right. Yeah. Yeah, it's narrated by Matthew Modine again, just like the first movie. He was Papa and Stranger Things. And he played, he played, he played, um, he played, um, Manevar Bush in Oppenheimer.

So Matthew has this knack of having played characters that are pertinent to this story without really knowing that he was playing them. It's kind of interesting. Thomas Jane comes out. You know, everybody knows him as an actor, The Expans and The Punisher, and he had a great career.

He's playing Dr. McCoy in an upcoming Star Trek. So he's busy, but he also is very intelligent and very studied on this topic. And some of the things that he's coming up with regarding AI and our relationship to that is off the charts. So his appearance in the movie is pivotal. He's fantastic. And then we have, you know, we have an all-star cast. I mean, just about anybody from the field is in it.

I've got way 25 different people or so are in this dock, even if they only appear for one line at a specific time. That's awesome. And then finally, the music, I got Alan Howworth from Halloween and Christine and Escape from New York, John Carpenter's guy, to do the entire soundtrack. So I just got told Stone at Sony Music is going to release the soundtrack. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, absolutely. So I guess we can expect a little bit more of a creepy, unsettling tone with some of the music.

Or how would you describe that? You know, it's kind of funny. Even if you watch the trailer, it's like, well, that piano part sounds like Halloween. I wonder why. You know, so, but no, it's ethereal and mystical and, you know, it is what it needs to be. I had done a bunch of music with an AI software program, and people were telling me the music wasn't good. And I was working with Alan on another project and just got him. He came in and he did it, and I'm just totally stoked.

That's awesome. And then we've already won best documentary in about four film festivals. We've won or placed in another five. So we're up to nine film festival awards, three honorable mentions, and four semi-finalists. And the trophies are starting to show up in my house, which is really cool. Oh, that's awesome. A bigger trophy case. Maybe even after this one comes out.

I need a bigger trophy case. The last one on 28 awards. And this one's already up to nine. Well, listen, make room for one more. I'll send you one that says my first appearance on the UAP podcast. Oh, no, that'll get the most important part on my wall. I'm saving space for my YouTube platform. I think I've got Mufon's YouTube channel up to just under 100,000 subscribers.

So your audience is out there. Go to Mufon's YouTube channel and subscribe. We're going to hit that 100,000 mark. And then we get the little silver YouTube plaque thingy that everybody covets. That's awesome. I'm looking forward to that. Unbelievable work, Ron. Before we go, there was just one more question that popped into my head that I wanted to ask you.

Because, again, I think you're uniquely positioned to answer it. where do you think the relationship lies between Hollywood and the UFO phenomenon? What I mean by that is, of course, we see even with Disclosure Day coming out with Steven Spielberg in just about a month. And we look back in other Spielberg films at the E.T. in close encounters. And even before that, the day the Earth stood still and all these different things that have come out with the alien phenomenon, and Independence Day, I can keep going going. But not only the movies, but also, you know, you mentioned,

Matthew Modin. You mentioned Thomas Jane and other people that are involved in this film. Just the actors and the directors themselves, what do you think it is the connection with Hollywood and the UAP phenomenon aside from the obvious when it comes to entertainment? What is that connection there, do you think? Well, you know, I'm on the board of directors of a group called the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. And one of the things that we do is try to actively make sure that the people that are in Hollywood that are going to make content around this topic or at least informed

and of what the topic really is because the bigger something gets, Hollywood pays attention to society. And so the bigger a topic gets, and UFOs are the hottest topic in pop culture, is naturally going to attract the attention of Hollywood. And unfortunately, when there's money to be made, there's sharks in the water.

And so you get a certain amount of people that just want to capitalize on the UFO thing because it's something hot right now, who don't care that much about getting it right. And then you have people that are really dedicated. You know, I've worked with people on ancient aliens. I've worked with people on all these shows and some of these documentaries.

And even the guys that did Project Blue Book, the TV series, you know, even though that was highly fictionalized, it was created by some people that really care about the UFO topic. And so what we're finding and what we're helping to facilitate is that in Hollywood, the people that, are making this content, care about getting it right as much as they can. They still have to dramatize things to make sellable programming. But at the end of the day, the people that are making content about the topic care about the topic just as much as we do. And they have a much

higher allegiance to being accurate than what I've seen in the past. And then, you know, here comes Spielberg with Disclosure Day. And people are like, oh, this is going to be it. you know, what's Stephen going to tell us that the government won't? And if we look at the history of his films, it's been elements of truth peppered into colossal storytelling. Yeah. And so I suspect that we're going to get the, you know, more of the same, that there's going to be elements of truth inside of a movie, but it's still a movie.

I can tell you, you know, from Mufon's vast database that we have never gotten a report. of a man building a giant sandcastle in his living room because E.T. was talking to him. We've never gotten a report of an alien being seen flying a bicycle. And we've never gotten a report of, you know, a deer with a cardinal on its shoulder, infiltrating a kid's bedroom as a form of close encounter. So are we going to get some sort of profound truth revealed to us in this film? Like I said, I think we're going to get elements of it. but society shouldn't be looking to Hollywood to tell us what's going on.

And I don't think that it's really Hollywood's job to completely do that. Well, I do hope that people partake more in what you've done in your work and your documentaries. And there's so much that we could cover with this topic. And I'm glad that I was able to do it with you here for the first time on UAP. And hopefully have you back on again in the future because there's just, like I said, almost almost a mountain too high to climb on information. Oh, yeah, we've got these missing scientists. There's all kinds of stuff that we could talk about.

So anytime you have, you know, something pop up, feel free to bring me in. And after you've seen the film, you know, I'd love to come on and talk about it because a lot of people are going to be unsettled by what they see. Because we're asking people to start thinking about a whole lot of new elements of this that haven't been part of the mainstream conversation.

Very interesting. Okay. All right. I won't ask you to reveal any spoilers, so I guess he'll leave it at that. But just again, to throw it out there, how can everybody find it, what you've done already?

The new film's coming out. How can everybody find what you're doing, Ron? Sure. So the website for the film is accidental truth next.com. You can see the original accidental truth on YouTube movies and TV. You can still rent it on Amazon and Apple if you want to support us, but it's free on YouTube also at this point, which is okay. You know, at some point you do want that to happen.

And so, yeah, that film's out there. And then Accidental Truth next comes out June 2nd. It'll be on Apple, Amazon, YouTube movies. And yeah, Accidental Truth is a tough act to follow. So I'm really nervous literally about how people are going to interpret this film because it's different. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to it. I know a lot of people are, and I think you should be proud of the work that you've done here.

So Ron James, really appreciate it and look forward to having you on again here on UAP. Thank you. Thanks a lot, Stephen. Well, thank you again to Ron James for doing that. Really enjoy talking to him again for the first time here on the show. Super interesting guy, really interesting perspective on how all this stuff is covered. Because honestly, that is something that I didn't think about that he mentioned, which is we've been down this path before. And that's why I thought it was so cool to have him on because he has that historical perspective and how these things have been covered within the media in the past.

So to kind of put that into play and to put it into context with, you know, how this stuff has been covered in the past, how DC has, you know, tried to cover these things or legitimize the conversation in the past versus what we're seeing now. His point, which maybe, look, let's face it, might be a pessimistic one. And, you know, I'm sure he wouldn't mind me saying that. Some people might view it as kind of a pessimistic. Maybe he says it's a realistic point of view based off of, you know, history. But others might be trying to be more optimistic and say, well, this time is going to be different. And maybe it will be. I like to put myself as an eternal optimist.

Maybe that's a flaw. Maybe I'm naive that way. I like to be optimistic on things. But it was good to get his take on this and his point of view from the aspect of, listen, we've been down this path to before, I'll believe it when I see it. And I think he kind of nailed it. I mean, that said, even though that might be pegged as more of a pessimistic outlook on the current disclosure effort, it was interesting, again, to hear his outlook, given that it was

said the day before the UFO file release from the White House, because a lot of things that he said in his opinion actually ended up matching the file release. A lot of people complained that, you know what, it wasn't enough. They gave us kind of the low-hanging fruit. Some of the things we knew that were already there, they put out there. So, you know, a lot of what he said in retrospect, looking back on it after the release, wasn't that far off base. So, you know, credit to him for that. And does that prove that everything else he says or he said might be the case going forward?

You know, that remains to be seen as time goes on. We'll see what else comes out. And but regardless, very happy that Ron could join the show here. Definitely look out for his new film coming out. The Accidental Truth next, beyond UFO disclosure. That's coming out, like we said, on June 2nd, and saw on Apple TV on Amazon Prime, YouTube movies. And you can see part one, like he mentioned, his original documentary from 2023, Accidental Truth, which made a lot of waves when that came out a few years ago.

If you've never seen it, you heard a mention it's on YouTube for free, so you can just search accidental truth. if you've never checked that out before. It's really well done. So thank you to Ron, and I'll absolutely have him on again in the future. But when it comes to the file release itself, just some thoughts on that before we go. I've been able to take it. And I'm actually glad that I haven't been able to touch on this on the show until now

because I don't really like to have knee-jerk reactions. I try. Look, everybody has an instant reaction, right? You're either excited, disappointed, happy, sad, whatever it might be. And we have that instant reaction and we go on social media and we put it out there. And then maybe 24 or 48 hours later, more information comes out, more perspective comes out. And your reaction, your opinion now has evolved. And that's where I kind of find myself.

Which is why, again, I'm glad that I got to reflect on this unintentionally. I got to reflect on this for a longer period of time before coming on here to kind of opine on it. because since then, you know, on the initial file release, like everybody else, highly intrigued, right? What's in this? What's going to be shown? Is it going to mention Area 51? Is it going to mention Roswell? Is it going to mention Rendlesham or the Capitol Lights in the 1950s, the Phoenix Lights in 1997?

There's so many different ways that you can go with this file release and what was going to be spoken about. What videos? What pictures? What audio? Well, of course, we ended up finding out that, you know, we got the audio and the pictures from the Apollo and the Gemini missions. We got a few different videos that people found very interesting. That kind of bright, shining star formation.

Still not sure definitively what to make of that. I've seen one side that says you can easily see a parachute deploy, and these are flares coming off of a skydivers heel, and you can see the smoke, you can see the erratic trajectory of the descent. Be honest with you, it makes sense to me. my personal point of view when I first saw that video again which is why I'm glad I got to reflect on these and it's important to maybe take a step back take a couple of days before you put anything definitive out and I need to remember that myself a lot of times because when it first came out my instant reaction was like

oh dang you know like what is this like a lot of other people what am I seeing here but as a couple of days past you get that perspective like wait a minute this actually makes sense like the on that. Could be wrong. Totally wrong. Could be. Right? Always decide for yourself here. My outlook on that particular video, if you haven't seen it, showing that kind of like bright star formation, what looks like a craft that's being caught on infrared footage, floating around a lot of erratic movement at first glance. What may, what it may actually be really is just some type of military skydiver with a flare on his heel, which is a very known practice, especially for nighttime, you know, dives,

and just, you know, kind of in that normal circular corkscrew descent coming down. I actually buy that because of the video. You actually, from my point of view, it does look like a parachute coming out in the corner of the screen. You do see a smoke trail that is consistent with flares that would be on the heel of a skydiver. Again, I could absolutely be wrong about this. And if you disagree, then by all means. but that's where I'm coming from on that one. The other ones that show the erratic movement of one of the,

like kind of like that orb that's kind of like zigzagging a little bit. That was very strange. Don't know what to make of that. And then there's another one that kind of looks like a balloon, but it's not a balloon. It's kind of like a weird shape, almost like a, almost kind of like the jellyfish. Reminded me of the old jellyfish videos from Iraq where you see like something hanging down from it, this like square looking type of object.

So those are those ones. did stand out to me as well as the Apollo and the Gemini pictures and the audio recordings. If anything, I actually thought the thing that stood out the most was that, was the stuff that came out from NASA. Because we always heard about the recordings and the pictures and what the astronauts may or may not have seen during Gemini and Apollo. But, I mean, to hear it, to actually hear it, to see the pictures where you see these objects floating, you know, out above the moon, from the Gemini missions. No, I'm sorry, that was Apollo 17 that had those pictures, the last one that we did in 1972.

And then you see, or is it 74, if you can't remember, I'll top my head, sorry. But then you also hear the recordings of the Alarmstrong. You hear the recordings of the Gemini astronauts talking about, you know, weird things being seen out the window. They feel like they're being followed or they're being watched. Those things were intriguing to me. I know a lot of people have tried to debunk those things over the years,

but you can't deny. that it at least gives you pause because those were real-time incidences happening to the astronauts on those original space missions. So that stuff absolutely, I thought, was really, really compelling. Along with some of the other files that came out there, you know, documents, plainly talking about crash recoveries, plainly talking about how to handle biologics. I mean, this is stuff that should be very compelling. You know, is any of it doctored? We don't know.

there's always questions when it comes to these file releases. But my personal opinion on it was I actually felt it was a pretty comprehensive release for the first drop. That was my initial reaction. And even a week later, I still feel that way. I know some people say they cherry picked. This was a little hanging fruit. This is stuff that, you know, we really, we want to see the real juicy stuff. I actually, I was, I was not satisfied, but I was pleasantly surprised with how much came out on the first drop.

That said, yes, we want more. We want to see more. We want to hear more. But I was very pleasantly surprised with what came out, not because it satiated me, but because it brought up a lot of interest in this topic over that weekend. Again, this was a Friday afternoon release, okay? Actually, I'm sorry, it was Friday morning. I want to be exact.

It was a Friday morning release around 9.30, 10 a.m. on that Friday morning. I think it was around 9 o'clock. but that's something to be said because normally if something is released on a Friday, that means they want to bury it. And it does end up getting buried because it's the weekend and people don't pay attention to the news cycle for the most part.

So they'll do some type of file dump like at 4 p.m. on Friday. We've seen it happened before with a lot of different things. But in this case, it was Friday morning and it didn't die out. It got heavily noticed. It had hundreds of millions of views on social media. It had

coverage all over the place through international media. So there's no denying that even though this was dropped on a Friday going into a weekend, it dominated the news cycle for that Friday and into the weekend. And that was a big deal to me. So that was one of my main takeaways was to see how this dominated the news cycle, how it captured the attention and the imagination of everybody to think, hey, are we actually seen something here? Is this actually showing us some type of semblance of proof that maybe will make us think something is true that we didn't think it was true before. It opened up some minds. And I think that is a good thing. Anytime some minds are opened up outside of the stigma that

helps to break the stigma, that is a good move forward in my book. And I think if nothing else, that's what Friday's release helped to do. That said, there is more coming. When, I don't know, maybe in the next week or two, maybe in the next day or two. It has been said by Representative Burleson and Luna that they will be dropping the 46 videos, you know, the legendary, vaunted 46 videos and documents. It's not all videos. I think I went over that before. There are some documents involved with the 46.

And supposedly that that is supposed to drop soon, that they're being told that by those, you know, in charge over there in D.C. who are supervising these releases. So I believe that. I believe they're worried that. will come out, you know, whether or not they are being told something and they're being misdirected is a totally different question. I'm sure that's something that they worry about, but they're being told it's coming, so we have

to go by that. And I believe it will because, I mean, it seems like anyway that this administration has proven with that first release that they're serious about putting stuff out. And I think what was really important, too, to note is that this was put out without the purview, outside of the purview of Arrow. Arrow was not involved with this release. Arrow was not involved with, you know, whitewashing, cleaning, scanning,

vetting these documents, these videos. They put it out and let the people decide, which I love because that's what I do. That's what I've always done here on UAP, is to put it out there and let you decide. And that's exactly what this administration did. And to me, that shows an indication that they are taking this desire from the American people seriously

and really everybody around the world who's interested in this. They're taking it seriously. and they will continue to move forward with releases. So I completely anticipate that more is coming. We'll see the 46. What do we get from that? We'll see what comes out.

And what else comes out on top of that? Will they progressively get more and more detailed? That's what we've been told, that they will progressively get more and more detailed. So I'm with you. It remains to be seen. I'm waiting here just like you are to find out what happens next. And just know that whatever happens,

make sure you follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850 because I will be commenting on it and sharing and posting as soon as something happens. So follow along on social media, especially on X at UA Podcast 850, to be updated as soon as something happens and to follow along with the show as well because I put updates out for the show.

And of course, follow along the show as I continue to put out information here in interviews to search UAP wherever you get your podcasts. and you'll see my old show here come up approaching the fifth anniversary in just a couple months, which is wild to think that we've been doing this almost five years. And that's because of you. So thank you for this privilege. Truly is a privilege of this road that I've gone down for the past five years.

It's been a wild, wild ride, one that I could have never anticipated. A lot of things that have happened that I can't even reveal to the public because that's just the way this world works, which I've learned over the years. But it has been a wild ride. and maybe one day I can give more information on some of the things that have happened behind the scenes. So regardless, stick around here on UAP because I will always put out everything that I can, including what's coming up next with the one, the only, Lou Elizondo. Lou Elizondo, happy to say is coming back here on UAP.

We will be doing presenting, I think, as of now, a two-parter episode next week with Louelizondo. and I'm really looking forward to that because obviously there's a lot happening, as we know, we just spoke about currently that we can cover and as well as things even internationally that we can cover. Specifically, some very interesting news coming out of Japan over the past couple of days and what their government is talking about. So really, really looking forward to having Lou back on the show here. It's been, I think almost a year since I was able to have him on the show.

But he's looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. hopefully you will look forward to it next week as well on what I plan on being. I'll update you, though, as I know what I plan on being a two-parter with Willizando next week here on UAP. So until then, like I said, continue to follow along on social media and throughout on the podcast just by searching UAP. And we'll do this all again next time. So on that note, thank you all again for everything, for all the support, as it always means the world to me. So until next time, it's Stephen Dean here saying be well.

Thanks so much. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.