UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 207 "The Consequences of Disclosure" with Lue Elizondo: Part 2

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

In this conclusive part two, Lue Elizondo reveals the shocking details surrounding the death of yet another government official, as well as an inside look into something called "Project Interloper." Was the US military really working on setting traps to take down UFO's? All of this and so much more is discussed during this very important episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome back in to UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here, as always, on the Unidentified Alien podcast for episode number 207. And, of course, the conclusive episode to my interview with Lou Elizondo. So part two here on the consequences of disclosure. And that title, I chose that title. Well, it's going to sound silly because I choose every title intentionally. It's not like I write something random. But I mean it in the way of choosing it intentionally because I felt like there was so much that we come.

covered between part one and what you're going to hear today in part two, that it was kind of hard to pinpoint or, you know, kind of pick one specific detail about our conversation to really focus on for a title that would tell you exactly what it's about or mostly about. And I ended up landing on the consequences of disclosure because I really felt like that encapsulated the most what this entire two-part series was about when what you've heard so far when it comes to you know reactions to what's come out from the white house over the past couple of weeks or what still might be to come um have we seen some type of disclosure already right some of things we spoke about in part one or you know things like the domino effects of disclosure when it comes to

people disappearing or being found dead or maybe we find out it's all real when I say we, I mean the world, and then they start to ask you all those questions that come from it, you know, about abductions and secrets and who have been silenced in the past. So, and it really does fit in with what we spoke about in part one and what we're going to talk about here to finish off in part two, including those disappearances, because you heard us really kind of focus on it toward the end of the episode

and in my post interview monologue at the end of, Part one, where I spoke about Kevin Chuldris and how Lou, you know, was alluding to his story, how he was found dead. He was going to go to Congress. He was a guy that was pretty high up in the Department of Energy. What we get back into that in more detail here in part two. So you're going to hear about cause of death. You're going to hear about the situation, the circumstances. Oh, what was he going to tell Congress?

I mean, so we really do go into detail about now we know the name, Kevin Childress. And you're going to hear us say during the interview, you know, We're not saying the name yet. Lou wasn't comfortable releasing that name. The only reason why that changed within the past week since we recorded this was, like I said earlier, Nancy Grace on her show, she mentioned the name Kevin Childress, and she put that name out in the public for the first time when she had on Lou Elizondo a few days ago. So now that we know who we're talking about, you know, obviously circumstances have changed. But in the interview, you're going to hear us mention, you know, someone that hasn't been named yet.

But that is Kevin Childress, of course. So we do get into that in pretty great detail, and you're going to hear the whole backstory there. And also kind of the underbelly of secrecy. You know, how has all this worked? And we kind of start off in that area. You're going to hear me mention about when I had Christopher Sharp here on the show and what he spoke about, about how things are compartmentalized throughout government and the three-letter agencies. And Lou speaks on that very plainly. Actually, a lot more plainly than I thought he was going to.

So you're going to hear that almost right off the bat here. And some of the gatekeepers like Dick Cheney, I ask straight up, are the rumors true? Was Dick Cheney involved as being one of the main gatekeepers of the legacy programs and the UFO topic within government? And again, he answers pretty plainly or as plainly as he could. So a lot in here to digest, to hear and to really kind of consider as we finish off here with part two. Some of it, which I'm just going to leave it alone. You're going to hear about Project Interloper. remember that name. It's the first time I heard about it when Lou spoke about it here on the show.

So I'll react to that and a lot of the other things that you're going to hear in this part two right now in the post-interview thoughts. So stick around for those post-interview thoughts, the reactions and some of those reflections after we're done talking here. But for now, here's part two with myself, the conclusion of our conversation, myself and Lou Elizando right here on UAP. Enjoy. there's something that has stuck with me and I blame I completely blame Christopher Sharp for this so if you did for anybody

who doesn't know of course Christopher Sharp is the editor-in-chief at Liberation Times contributed to the Daily Mail for my money the best journalist covering this subject and that's not to give you know shade toward anybody else who does it there's a lot of really great ones but I just I think Chris is really towards the top there

yeah he's fantastic for sure fantastic and when he was on here with me. He said he has said something with that is now stuck with me for the past two months. He went into a deep dive about basically the underbelly of the deep state. And I want to get your take on it when it comes to how essentially or how allegedly it works where you have these underlings, not, you know, people who work at a desk, but high enough position, deputy directors, deputy assistants, people like that who are really the ones calling the shots because, you know, you have your directors and you have even the president of the United States who were looked at as

part-time employees directors are put there you know as far as administration you know puts you in that position so but it's really the people under them that are running the show is that is that is that what you've experienced lou i mean is that the kind of like stuff that they were actually dealing with it's a fact look when i was a tip you know the president wasn't briefed to it the secretary defense wasn't brief to it it was only a few members of congress and a couple of folks you know, here and there and the CIA and the DOD. And it was done that way on purpose. It was compartmentalized.

Yeah. And then you've got, you know, the other, the other shoe, if you will, that is, there are certain circumstances. It's going to sound crazy, but just bear with me for a minute. There are certain circumstances where the U.S. government is legally allowed to lie to and deny knowledge of certain actions and operations. and they can lie to not only the American people, but they can lie to Congress, with the exception of the gang of six,

and not even potentially tell the president. And so that category of operations is traditionally called covert action. If you want to look at the legal definition, you can see when covert action is authorized and under what circumstances. And what can be done to hide those operations? And you are absolutely allowed to lie. And if anybody who's not part of that operation, they do not get read in. And you can outwardly tell them straight up, we are not doing this.

We are not part of this. And you can do it legally. Now, the question is, does that get abuse? Yes, it does all the time. Those are very legal, very specific legal parameters in which you can conduct those type of operations. Which, by the way, covert action is not necessarily the same as clandestine operations. People like to use the words interchangeably, but covert and clandestine are not the same. legally. And, you know, there are these checks and balances that are supposed to exist. The problem is,

a lot of times, they're not there. Those guardrails aren't there. And so you have a middle, middle manager bureaucrat that's calling the shots and making unilateral decisions, when quite frankly, you don't have the authority to make those decisions. But they do because they cover themselves under the guise of some sort of special type mission or operation that gives them the authority to do that and to lie and to even even even use propaganda against the American people if necessary just incredible and it's it's really frustrating and I'm sure it's been frustrating for you um you know to know how these things are happening behind the scenes no I'll tell you right now it's pressure right now the reason why I am being very general in my

speaking towards you because Stephen every interview that I do there's somebody at the Pentagon listening to every single word I say they're waiting for me to trip up they're waiting for me to say reveal something classified and go, gotcha, and then remove me. You know, you read a headline. Elizondo's house got swatted, you know, because it was revealing classified information. That's not going to happen with me because I'm not revealing classified information. Right. Now, they've tried to threaten that before, and I've told them, okay, you better be prepared legally

because I know what's in the classification guide. I know exactly what I'm allowed to say, and I'm happy to go public and let everybody see, hey, the classification guide says specifically, I am allowed to talk about this. You cannot sequester me for that. And also, it's illegal to classify information just because it's embarrassing. You really can only classify information to do two things, protect sources and methods. And there's derivatives of that as well, right? But for the most part, you're protecting sources and methods.

You can't classify something simply because you're trying to cover malfeasance or fraud or because it's embarrassing. It actually says in there you can't do that. So that's an abuse of power. And so, you know, the one thing I do happen to know very well are the rules and the laws and the policies I govern U.S. intelligence operations. And that's so far from me, from my perspective, what's kept me here and why I'm not wearing an orange jumpsuit because I'm very, very careful and diligent on knowing where those red lines are and I never crossed them. Yeah. Well, shout out to everybody at the Pentagon. John. I'm glad I'm glad you

I hope you're enjoying the show and feel free to come on as a guest anytime. Love to talk to you. Where's you look at your window down and see who's parked out front, I'm sure. Exactly. I'm kidding. Where are those black SUVs? But when we do look at some of these, Lou, and we think about how far back this goes, right? I know a lot of people go as far back as the Eisenhower administration,

where, you know, he warned about the military. military, industrial complex. And that's kind of where a lot of people pinpoint where this started to kind of get out of hand as far as a, you know, clandestine type of government behind the scenes the deep state. Number one, do you agree with that? And number two, was someone like Dick Cheney has been brought up before as a gatekeeper? Was he a gatekeeper, as far as you know? And can you talk about any other ones that maybe you can throw out there that you know may or may not have been gatekeeping information within the federal government over the years. Wow, a lot to impact there. Yeah, sorry. Let's first start with what you said about this going back to Eisenhower.

I think it goes well before that. If not decades, if not centuries, millennium. Really? You have to understand that we're dealing with human beings ultimately and the way we process information and the reason why society works. Societies work because you have some sort of structure, some sort of infrastructure there that rules and laws are applied. And everybody has this social understanding that, yes, this makes sense. You know, I will not murder. I will not do this. I will pay my taxes.

I will, right? And they're called laws. And society works off of those. Case in point with the Vatican, right? What happened when Galileo, Galilei first proposed his heliocentric model of our solar system, right? Instead of the Earth-centric model, which at the time the church believed that was the truth. Well, they persecuted him. In fact, they threatened to burn him alive on the stake and even refused to look through the very telescope that would have proved his theory, right?

That, no, everything revolves around the sun. The reason why is because the church at the time thought it was a threat to their narrative. well, if this is true, then everything else we say can be up for question now and we're not going to have any authority, right? So we have to shut this down immediately. Religions are no different than any other institutional organization or government. We just happen to call our government the United States of America and back in Galileo's time it was called the Vatican, right? But for the most part, you know, it was a form of governance. And this is nothing new even with us. You see it in China, you see it in Russia, you see the shaping of narratives in order for people to look.

Governments only work because the people have faith and confidence in those organizations. Once people lose faith and confidence in a government, that is really the end for the government at that point. That is the real threat of any government is when people question the authority and authenticity of that government. So realizing that governments are very sensitive to anything that goes against any narrative that they have put out. No different than religions, no different than anything else. Because why governments are made up of people, just like religions are and everything else. So really it's a people issue. It's not a government issue.

It's not a religious issue. It's a people issue. We like to control things. And it is just the way we are. So I think this goes way further back than Eisenhower. I think whatever the elite social class is at that time, they're the ones who make the rules. And right now we're living in a time where, you know, a lot of the rules are being made by people who have a lot of money. And then what does that money come from?

Well, a lot of it came from earlier on with R&D and government programs and government contracts, right? Some of the largest aerospace companies started off back in the, you know, 50s, 40s and 50s. making, you know, engines for propeller aircraft and allerons and aviation parts. So there is an old saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Yeah. And in today's day and age, power translates to money. Money, it can buy you a lot of things. It can buy you access. It can buy you privilege. It can buy you protection. It can buy you a lot of stuff.

And so, you know, that old, hey, cheese old cliche, follow the money if you want to know where some of this comes from, but I'd say follow the money. Now, back to your next question, which was, are there any particular individuals? Yeah. You know, there are. There are. But what I don't want to do is be irresponsible. Say someone's name. And then all of a sudden, you know, they have this social mob showing up at their door, you know, and wanting their quote unquote,

pound of flesh. I don't want to do that. There are people out there, even those who I would consider enemies of Lou, right? There are people there. By the way, for the record, I wish no ill will on Sean Kirkpatrick. But he has not been good for this cause. He's actually, in my opinion, my opinion, has hurt this effort tremendously. But fortunately, in doing so, he proves himself. No one to prove it for him, you know, of hiding information, misleading and obfuscation. But with that said, just because of my feelings towards him, I wouldn't want him personally attacked. I wouldn't want anybody hurting him or intimidating him or his family. He's a family guy just like I am.

Right. Right. And I know people are really, really upset, you know, and they look at people like him as part of the root of all evil and the problem we're in this mess to begin with. I don't think so. I think he's a symptom. I don't think he's the cause of the problem. I think he's a symptom. I think people like Sean Kirkpatrick may not even themselves realize what they're doing. They may be so institutionalized, so part of the system that they're just doing what they normally do and not even realize that they're pushing a false agenda. And so that's why I don't really fault Sean Kirkpatrick. A lot of people say, man, no, does you hate that guy, you know? Aren't you glad you were right? I don't even think about it, to be honest with you. You know, I If you were to ask me, well, what do you wish for Kirkpatrick? I hope he's got a nice job. I hope he can retire in happiness and spend a little more time with his wife and his kids. You know, that's my hope for him.

And that's my hope for a lot of people that, you know, and then there's been people on the other side that have been porch bears. There's people right now that I can't say publicly their names, at least not yet. But when they're ready to, I will. And they deserve a tremendous amount of credit. I just said that earlier today, you know, with you that that there's people in the shadows that really haven't had their day yet. And they deserve the day.

They have done, they have done incredible work for this country, especially not just, of course, with UAP, but also spent time in combat and warfare. And they've never even had so much as a single thank you. So, you know, those are the, preferably the names I prefer to, I prefer to focus on. Those are the ones that I'd rather elevate and see get that recognition. that they deserve. And the other ones, well, you know, I hope they find their peace and their happiness. May 20206 your year with Shopify.

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Or maybe he's just not one of them? He was absolutely involved. And that's all I'm going to say. Okay. Do you think he had knowledge, like real knowledge of bodies and reversals? I can't go into detail. And I won't out of for the sake of the privacy of his family. But he was very, very knowledgeable.

Okay. Officially. Fair enough then. I want to, I hate to jump back and forth, Lou, because I like to try, you know, obviously keep things moving. No, no, no. Go ahead. It's okay. Yeah.

There's just something that's really sticking with me from just about 20 minutes. ago. And I know we only have like 15 minutes left, and this is flown by. I mean, I probably spent three hours just going back and forth if you want on these things. So I guess we'll just have to do it again in the future. But in the last 15 minutes, I do want to just go back real quick to what you said about the person that you knew that was found dead. And again, very sensitive. My condolences to that family. Of course, we don't know who it is, but it's a terrible thing that happened. Can you give us any indication as to, um, what? what they might have had knowledge about.

Yeah, would that be. Exactly. They came to me. They were a senior special agent with Department of Energy. And they worked in their IG shop, Inspector General Shop. And he said, I've uncovered stuff that I need to tell Congress about, Lou, about UFOs. And I'm very concerned by it. I said, okay, well, let me see what I can arrange for you.

So after several discussions with the individual, he said, yeah, I'm ready to talk to Congress, ready to go. because, you know, I've, now Department of Energy is trying to go after me. Now they're trying to, you know, some form of reprisal because I've, I guess I've seen what I've seen and I'm about to say what I'm about to say. Wow. So I said, okay, well, you know, these folks certainly in Congress can help give you a layer of protection that right now you're not afforded. And the next thing I do, I get a call from his wife saying that she came home and he was

dead on the sofa. Good gosh. and that's not the only one. There's others as well. You know, Chris Mellon, if he should tell you, if you ever want to ask him, I won't say his story for him because this is his to tell, but Chris Mellon had somebody who was allegedly an engineer, I believe, on the legacy program, and he was about to come forward and talk.

And either a few days or a week before he was meeting Chris Mellon, he wound up dead. And that name is not public either. So, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of people that are winding up, either disappearing or meeting an end that is just kind of frankly weird. There's several of these folks didn't even have an autopsy. And you have the medical examiner or the coroner giving a cause of death. And they've never even seen the body.

So, yeah, right? I mean, I was going to ask you that. Right, exactly, because that was something that was just running through my mind. I mean, what did they attribute these mysterious deaths to? I mean, you know, with Matthew Sullivan, I think they said it was, and correct me from wrong, please. But I think they said it was a drug overdose or a suicide. It was one of those that they attributed it to with him. I'm telling you, that was not quake.

Quake was not suicidal. Yeah. That was his call sign. You know, you'd have to ask Dave Bruch about that. Dave, Dave, Dave knows him. But you can imagine to people like Dave and I, that's a very clear sign when people start disappearing, you know, you better pay attention. And right.

And absolutely. It's scary. It's downright scary, quite honestly. But with Matthew Sullivan, may he rest in peace. And they said something about it. Now, these people that you're mentioning that had to do with you and with Chris Mellon, we don't know who those people are. Of course, those names haven't come out.

But did they ever say anything about cause of death? Or was it just here? It's done. Yeah. The individual I was speaking to allegedly died of COVID. But that morning, when his spouse left for the morning, he was fine. Came home and he was dead on the couch. Wow.

You know, it's certainly concerning. Again, I don't want to be conspiratorial here. And we've got to be very careful because obviously a lot of scientists like doctors, like lawyers, like garbage men, can die of cancer. Things happen. You get around over by a car. You're walking through an intersection and someone hits you on an e-scooter or something like that, right? So life can be dangerous, just the fact of living alone. So we have to be careful not to say all of these words on a nefarious situations and suspicious deaths.

But when you look at the people they're talking about, right, like McCasland, right? And like Amy Eskridge and like Solton, Mr. Sullivan and other individuals, they had one thing in common. And that was the UAP topic. They were involved in some way, either directly or tangentially, with UAP. And we're going to talk about UAP. So that, for me, it's a little concerning, right? It's not like, hey, you know, 10 dead scientists. Well, you know, maybe one had high cholesterol.

Maybe one was a beast. Maybe one was this, right? But at the end of the day, you know, when they just wind up disappearing or you start looking at some of the crime scene photos, you know, photos. Yeah, I'm going to say crime scene, because, allegedly no crime existed. It's a place. But you start noticing some really, really interesting things and say,

hmm, that is not consistent with this story. You know, you're saying one thing when I'm looking at this and it, that's not the case. So. Yeah. But to ask the questions, I mean, especially in a situation like with the man that you knew, I mean, his wife says that she left that day and he was fine. I presume that means he wasn't showing signs of COVID at that time or that he had

tested positive for. COVID at that time. So it's only fair to ask the questions, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, I always tell people, if something happens once, it can be an anomaly. Something happens again. It could be a coincidence. Happens a third time. Now you're talking it's a trend, right? There's a pattern. Yeah. And he obviously knew something again. I tend to dig too deep, and I apologize for that. But there's no such thing is digging too deep and there's no dumb question. You can ask me anything you want. If I can't answer it, I'll do exactly like I've been doing. I'll do a polite pass,

but I'll always always acknowledge your question. I appreciate that because I can't help it. So, you know, when you talk about the knowledge that he said he wanted to pass off to Congress and working with the Department of Energy, that's obviously something that's been spoken about as a gatekeeper, you know, sector of the government, if you will, ever since it was under Oppenheimer is, you know, the Atomic Energy Commission going that far back. So when you have someone like this who was then found dead. Was he talking about reverse engineer technology that he was going to, you know, mention, was it biologics? Or was it just something having to do that pointed to, hey, there's something going on that they're not telling the truth about and they didn't like

that he was going to talk about it. Yeah, it was a historical involvement of the Department of Energy in the UAP issue and, and how much do they really know. And turned out that according to this individual, it was a lot. So much so that they, you know, tried to intimidate him and who knows what else. So just being part of the historical legacy programs was enough. Then he had found out how much, how far back that history went according to what he felt he knew. And that was it. So look, people say, well, everybody says Department of Energy.

What role do they really have? Well, a lot of people don't know this, but Department of Energy actually has a lot of authority, especially over anything that gives off a radioactive signature over X amount, Department of Energy has primacy. That's why if you've got any nuclear power plant, Department of Energy is there. That's why if you got any, you know, there's a nuclear propulsion on board of a Navy boat, right? There's always some sort of Department of Energy equity there. Same thing with nuclear weapons. Department of Energy is always sitting side-saddle with whoever owns the warhead, right, or the rocket.

because they are fundamentally responsible for anything with a certain signature of X plus. And then when you have the topic of UAP, it turns out that we are fairly confident that the propulsion units on these things can often give up a radioactive type signal. Like the source it can give off. And again, I'll be very careful what I say and how I say it, but just that, you know, there's some form. of radiation that is that is emitted and and that has from my understanding what has been the the predicate for department of energy involvement do you feel we've intentionally taken down craft lou i know that's something that gets brought up sometimes that we have intentionally either tried or actually successfully taken down um non-human intelligence craft vehicles whatever we want to call

them has that happened according to your knowledge so let me Let me answer in a way that I can answer it because it's already been approved by the Pentagon. I talked about it a little while ago in something that I wrote. And it's, I talk about something called Project Interlover, where during the 2015 time frame, there were so many incursions of UAP into Navy airspace during workups and practice and also during live missions, that we had created an effort at the time that would lure in UFOs, lure in UAP. We were going to put out a big huge nuclear footprint out in the middle of the ocean, knowing that the UFOs were going to show up,

and then when they did, we'd have collection assets there ready as a tripwire to start collecting information. It was brought up in one of our meetings that, do we want to, if we had the opportunity, do we want to bring one down? I was one of the voices to say I probably wouldn't do that. I think that's a bit too provocative. I think that could be considered a hostile intent. And what we don't want to do is anything to upset or piss off. You know, if these folks, these are really truly our friend from out of town, so to speak,

you don't want to do something that provokes them into an action that we may not be prepared for. So I think we need to be very cautious not to do that. I think we're okay collecting information. it's okay, you know, lowering them out, but I wouldn't go that next step of any type of kinetic effort to try to bring one down. And that view was shared by others as well in the Pentagon, but not by everybody. And there were people who say, well, you know, we've tried to do it in the past. Why shouldn't we do it now? You know, and it's a good question.

But my response is that I just, I don't think we should do that. I don't think we should be provocative that way. You know, one thing is to passively assess something and analyze something and collect information on something passively. Another thing is to actively do it. And, you know, if active translates to kinetic, then I don't think we should do that. Very interesting. Real quick, because I do want to ask you about the tour. I know we're almost out of time, so I really want to ask you about the tour.

But I should have asked maybe this question an hour ago. but what was your impression of the file release so far that we've seen from the White House? Well, I mean, what was your overall feeling when that came out? I think it was excellent. People are like, ah, it's a nothing burger. Oh, really? Did you see the moon photos that we knew back in A-tip, the surface of the moon? By the way, in 1969, 1970, we did not have satellites orbiting the moon.

There was only one thing orbiting the moon, and that was a lunar orbiter waiting for the lunar lander to go remote, to rendezvous back up top there. So when you have multiple photographs taken by NASA, right, for NASA from the surface of the moon, and you're seeing things that NASA is now saying, hey, it's possible these are real things. By the way, hello, did you hear me? They might be real things. That's pretty dynamite, especially considering just last year, NASA was saying nothing to see here. Folks don't have anything in your collection or archives. And also, oops.

Oh, here you go. Look, look, and we found. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. No, I think it's a hell of a great start. You know, the problem is most people in the UFO community now are so sensitized to this because they are, they've been inundated with this for the, this has been part of their life for the last seven, nine, ten, shoot, 20, 30 years, right? That, you know, anything other than, you know, 8K ultra high definition,

20 minute video of this thing landing on the White House lawn and coming out and mowing the lawn is never going to be enough, right? But let's go back to 2017 with the New York Times when they first released those videos. Those three videos were unclassified. And those were the least, the least, you know, holy cow videos that the Pentagon had. And still people were looking at that going, wow, I can't believe what I'm seeing. Right. The problem is that, you know, we've been spoiled.

We're used to now having, you know, the big dinner and the big, big dessert. And so anything that falls flat of that is just. just, you know, not going to resonate with a lot of the diehard folks. And I appreciate that. But I also, I kind of chuckled to myself silently because now it's, you know, they have so much information that people can argue about which is the best, right? Before it was like, we'll take anything. We're starving. Hell, I'll take a saltine cracker, man, anything, right? Now you give them a filet mignon, duck orange and, you know, a prime rib. And they're like, you know, the prime man just isn't cooked, right? And it's too much fat on that. And the ducklerange doesn't have enough of

the marble glazing on it. You're like, come on me. Right. That's a good problem to have. It's true. Right. At least you have the big dinner. Right. Exactly right. You're getting stuff you never had before. And it's going to continue coming out. You have the government admitting that there are tens of millions of these documents. Think about that. They just told you tens of millions. And oh, by the way, a lot of these are hard copy papers. So what does I tell you? They go way, way back in history. You're right. There's a lot there. And I think just that, you know, maybe some folks, you know, have their expectations, maybe a little bit too high. But, you know, more stuff is coming. I've always, I've always kept telling people, man, have patience, man. We got, we got this. You know, we know what we're doing. Let let us continue working with the people back in Washington. Let's, let's continue to let them feel that this is going to be okay. They're not going to be in trouble. You know, the people have a desire to know the truth. Yeah, exactly. guys so just taking a quick break here because i want to talk you about something that i think we can all

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you go on tour as well. So on our way out here, tell us about the tour. When can we see it? What are you going to be doing? All that. So let me just give you a little bit. People say, oh, lose grifting. I'm like, no, you're right. Okay, first of all, do you know what grifting means? Because if you knew I was, if you thought I was grifting, once you hear that you're going to realize, I'm not grifting, I've never grifting. Okay.

So if I'm a grifter, I'm the worst grifter in the world because I make no money doing this. So people say, well, you're charging for a tick of price. Yes, because I have to rent the venue. Yes, because I have to pay insurance. And yes, I have to fly myself out there. And I have to take off work that I normally do to do that. But we're also going to be having video. there and we're going to be providing these videos of each one of these on YouTube for what for free

right so you know it's people people just don't understand i got a lot of haters out there and they jump to these conclusions thinking they know what lou elizando's about they have no clue the bottom line is i'm going to be giving all this information for free on youtube but it's important with having an audience there and here's why we are at a point now where we're getting the guests i have are directly the people that are helping make decisions like who eric burleson for example he's going to be one of my Yes. This is the guy who has a lot of stuff that you're seeing on the news right now. This man was directly responsible for. What better way than you, the audience, get to ask Eric Brosen, any question you want. Yeah. Right. Very good. You know, by the way, I got to fly him out there too,

right? And I got to fly all these guests out there. And people like, oh, you're grifting, Lou. Really, at the end of each thing, I probably am in the negative. I'm probably losing even more money. But I'm doing it because I think it's important. It's a great way for people to go out and have a conversation, not with Lou Elizandu anymore, with some of my guests. Some of the These guests are amazing. I mean, really, really. I'm working like having Mike Gold. Think about that. Who is that? He was one who testified with me. All those pictures you see from NASA from the surface of the moon. Guess what? He had a lot of them. And he had them a long time before you ever got to see him. So here's your chance to talk to a senior guy who is part of the Artemis mission that just went to the moon. Here's your chance to talk to him and ask any questions you want. It's like these people say, well, if I was there, I would ask this question. You know what? Here's your chance. Go ahead and do it.

And so this is this is what we're doing. I've got Jeremy Corbell. That's going to be a guest of mine because he just did this new movie. And a lot of people are very familiar with the Boblazar story. Well, you know what? Come out. And he's going to tell you everything he knows. And you can ask him any question you want.

No holds barred. How is that? So these are the type of things we're doing. I've got some great people that are going to come out. I got Eric Von Renekemp, who is one of the journalists for The Hill publication. who has done tremendous work, investigative journalism, you know, and if anybody out there thinks about being a journalist in the future, come on out. Ask them.

Ask them what it's like to be a journalist for the Hill, for a political publication like that, and what's your opinion of Congress? And what are some of the trials and tribulations and challenges of taking on a topic like this and reporting a topic like this, right? By the way, a lot of those, Eric worked for the U.S. government, Merrick worked for the U.S. government before you've ever a journalist. That's right. That's right.

He's pretty senior dude. Yeah. So, you know, I'm working very hard to get some really, really great speakers to come up there and really engage the public in a way that the public's not used to having this access to. You know, I used to say, go write your member of Congress, you know, if you want this or you want that and go, well, all right. So that didn't work too well. So now what was my next option. Okay, let me bring Congress to you. Yeah. Okay. You're not going to get a plan to go to Washington, D.C. You know what? I'll bring them to Dallas, Texas, so you can be there and ask any questions you want. So that's kind of what I'm doing here. And we'll be putting that available later on YouTube. The only problem about that, on YouTube, is you're not going to be able to ask a question live, right? You're going to be watching other people ask their questions. You're not going to be able to ask your questions.

So if you want to ask your question, come out there and ask your question. And by the way, we're going to try to get to every single person. And there's no scripts. There's nothing off the table. You can ask whatever the hell it is you want to ask. That's fantastic. I think it's a great idea. where can people see kind of like the dates, locations, where you guys don't be at?

So you can get on my, God, I feel so cheesy. No, no, I want to know. Luis Elizondo-official.com. Nice. All the days. I had to reschedule some of them on the East Coast because of my accident that I had, motorcycle accident, I am still suffering from the TVI, 32 some odd cranial and facial fractures and that attach retina and some minor facial paralysis.

So the doctors told me, look, you can't fly in a plane and you can't be in a car for longer than a couple hours. Well, every one of these locations on the East Coast were, you know, either 10 hours by car or I had to get on an airplane. So the doctor said, no way. So I had to beg them just to let me do this leg, you know, the West Coast. And then we'll get back to the East Coast probably here sometime in the summer. Okay, great.

Yeah. Well, if you have any Florida dates coming up, I'll, I'd be happy to come out there. Let me know. That would be really cool to come out soon. Stephen, it would be my honor and privilege. We'd love to have you out there. Fantastic. I love it. And I love that we were able to talk here, Lou. Thank you for all the time.

And you're always very generous with your time and your candor as well. I think that's one thing. If I could just real quick, one thing that bothers me, and I try to stay as objective as possible whenever I talk to to anyone, but one thing that bothers me when people come down on you on social media is you've never spoken to the person. You know, I've had the opportunity to speak with you now a few times. And they don't understand unless you speak to the person, unless you look in their eyes and you get to speak to somebody and see where they're coming from. All these prejudgments and accusations are really just so unfair.

And so what I would say to somebody when they're coming down on your or anybody on social media, just withhold your judgment. Try to talk to people. Try to find things out. you know, for people to say that you are intentionally doing X, Y, or Z, you're one of the most candid guests I've had on UAP, one of the most candid people I've spoken to on this subject. And so for anybody to come out there and to trash you in some way, my opinion, honestly speaking, it's completely unfair. I don't see it.

I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's something I wanted to get off my chest because I just have to be honest here in the moment. That's my read here, Lou. And it's just, and some people may not like hearing it and I understand it, but that's my feeling here speaking with you now after multiple times. That's where I'm coming from. It's part of the human condition. We have been doing this as a society, as a species long before social media.

Yeah. It is, there is something innate in our, in our character that for some reason, you know, we, A, we love the gossip. Don't know why. And we love seeing drama. And if you look at a lot of reality shows today, it's really nothing but manufactured drama. And for some reason, people tend to live vicariously through that. You're absolutely right. But it's not an issue. It's not a social media issue.

It's a human issue. What we're dealing with are people that, for whatever reason, either feel very insecure with themselves or for whatever reason have some. sort of issue. And by the way, the truth is that that also holds true on those that are quote-unquote super fans, right? People that say, you know, I love you to death. I appreciate that. I'd much rather you love me to death than, you know, hate me to death. But at the end of the day, you know, unless you had a chance to meet someone and break bread with them and talk to them, right? Now, at the end of the day, if you had lunch with me and say, I think that lives a jerk,

hey, man, God bless you. I got it. That's fine. You know, at least you gave me a shot and didn't work out. But to not ever meet me and to make all these weird, you know, assumptions, well, I never trust that guy. I never liked his beard. And now I really hate him. Okay. I mean, nothing I can do about that. Yeah. And, you know, I do, I do pray for them. I know this sounds kind of weird and kind of cheesy, but the reality, a lot of people don't know this. I'm very much a praying man. And I pray every night. I get down on my hands and knees and I pray. And I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not ashamed to say it. And sometimes I pray for those that are hurt the most and wounded the most. Those who attack me and throw stones.

And let me make this clear. I'm the Jesus figure, right? Because in combat, I'll pick up a machine gun just like anybody else and do what I have to do. But for those who are truly wounded, right? People who don't know me and you can tell that they're aching in their heart. I do pray for them. I hope they find their peace. And I'll tell you something else, Stephen. I'm glad you brought this up because, you know, one of the greatest moments I've had in the last nine years had nothing to do with UFOs. There was an individual. I'm not going to mention his name, but I hope he's listening to this podcast because he touched my heart. He was a veteran, and we had a pretty decent friendship.

He saw me on the news and reached out and said, hey, you know, we may have even worked together in Afghanistan, XYZ. long story short he kind of got into a crowd of people on social media that weren't very nice and they manipulated him and he wound up saying some very unkind things about me

but you know what happened he came back a year later and he said Lou you know what I'm sorry and thank you for never holding it against me and I told him I will never hold it against you I understand you are entitled to your opinion you know we were brothers

back then will be brothers again. And I totally understand what you went through. And believe it now, now we're actually pretty decent friends. Like he'll shoot me a text, and I'll shoot him a text over a signal, and he's not a bad guy. And, you know, sometimes we have to have, we have to show grace. Because I know, look, I've made a bunch of mistakes. And fortunately, people have shown grace to me in the past. And that's all we can do as human beings is show each other grace, right?

He's not perfect. I'm certainly not perfect. You're not perfect, right? We're all human. And we're going to make mistakes. And you know what? We're going to hurt each other. But the point here is not to do it on purpose.

And two, if you hurt somebody, try to make up for it somehow, you know, by acknowledging that and say, well, if I hurt this person, I'm going to make sure I don't make that mistake and hurt this other person in the same way. That's all we can really do. And yes, there are people out there that are waiting in the shadows, waiting for me to fall, waiting for me to make one little mistake that they can go ahead and now capitalize on and get clicks and likes and you know that's the human condition brother that's not social media that just social media just exacerbates it it gives them a louder megaphone to talk through um but you know the same

holds true to me you know i can't i mean i've got a megaphone that that i talk through right and a lot of people don't like the fact that i do that so you know you can't have it you can't have it both ways you know, but if I want to use the megaphone, then everybody should have that right to use the same megaphone that I use. Yeah. Well said. And I'm glad we got to end on that note. And hopefully anybody who's in the area can go out and see the show, participate, ask the questions. I really love the concept.

And hopefully if you guys make it down to Florida, then I can come be a part of that. I think that would be really cool. Steve, it's going to be a hell of a ride, man. It's going to be a great engagement. I think the audience is going to be thrilled because you're going to be. to be able to ask questions live that you'd never get a chance to ask that person in your entire life and now here they are and you know here's here here's the microphone yeah thanks so much for coming on here and spending all the time and i know we went over as usually how it goes um what

you could do so thanks for spending a few extra minutes it is stevens my honor and privilege thank you so much and thanks to to your family and everybody else and a huge thank you to your audience uh and yes even if you have some haters out there you know thank you and thank you and anyways for taking the time and letting me give my two cents. Absolutely. And let's stay in touch. We'll talk again soon. You got it, my friend.

Thanks, Lou. Well, thank you again to Lou. I think one of the words that I could use that might really explain this entire experience for the two parts would be educational. That's one of the words I would definitely use. I would probably choose about another three or four, but educational would be at the top of the list for me because there is so much there to take in between these two parts. when we talk about, even just going back to part one,

this was actually something I wrote down as a note to myself to mention here today because I didn't mean to gloss over it, but it was something that I think really should be spoken about and highlighted again from part one. It was at the end of part one where Lou was talking, and he said about how there are contractors that are used. We started talking about the story about Kevin Childress, and he said, you know, I asked him the question,

Are we talking about mercenaries when we're talking about the people who come in and are, you know, hired, I guess you can say, to do a job for lack of a better term. And he referred to them more as, you know, contractors who are being used to carry out these missions, people who have experience and tracking and then eliminating. And I know that is a massive accusation. So obviously, these are all things that are alleged. We can't say this as a stone cold proof just to cover our butts here, of course, because we can't say that because nothing has been proven. So all we can do is allege based off of observations and theories and past reports. And according to all those things, we can allege that if anybody is being eliminated for their willingness to talk about government secrets concerning disclosure and concerning the legacy programs and how much they've been involved in what they're hiding. concerning the truth about UAP and NHI and reverse engineering and technology and all these different things.

If all these people are being taken away or eliminated, if that allegation is out there, then the allegation that would follow it would be, or the question that would follow would be, well, how is it happening? And that would lead to the allegation of contractors being used to carry out those dirty deeds. Of course, all this is very concerning, and it is not an easy subject to speak on. That's where we are these days. You know, a lot of people, I do find this so, such an interesting time. In the five years that I've been covering this as UAP podcast, this is the most volatile time that I can remember within the UFO discussion.

And now, again, I'm only counting the five years of the show because this is a topic obviously that I was casually interested in. If you follow the show from the start, you've heard me mention how this is something I followed since I was about 20, years old, so we're going on 20 years now of just my, you know, my casual interest. And then that turned, that casual interest turned into a real investigative process now over the past five years of doing this show or nearly nearly five years. And during that five years, really, I would probably say volatile is the right word to use. This is the most volatile, the most rapidly changing situation. the most rapidly changing, I have seen this conversation at this point. I mean, the way that news is being spread now on national news outlets, the interviews that are being done with the likes of Eric Burleson and others in Congress, every single day on news outlets, where they're now openly talking about, you know, four different types of alien beings that have been recovered or known to be visiting Earth.

And they're talking about, you know, really legacy program type of stuff, really only conversations that you heard here. or on other UFO-centric podcasts or shows or movies or documentaries, those conversations, those hardcore conversations are now being had in the mainstream. And that's also one of the consequences of disclosure. You know, as the title goes here for this two-part series, and why I named it that, really one of the consequences is now this major awakening. You're not hearing just those conversations, those hardcore conversations being had on shows like this. has moved over to the mainstream.

You know, before, for forever, not for so long, forever in this topic. The conversation in the mainstream has been centered around, you know, Farmer Joe says that his crops were destroyed by a UFO and had cow mutilations, you know, film at 11. And then they would play X-Files music over it and make fun of the story. Like, that's the way it's always been. And then it kind of turned into, oh, there's congressional hearings. and Luella Zondo, former Pentagon official is testifying.

Jeff Nusatelli, former Navy and, you know, I'm sorry, Air Force, not Navy, sorry, Jeff. Former Air Force policemen and Air Force veteran testifying in front of Congress, you know, under oath. And the list goes on and on with Ryan Graves, I mean, just in David Fravor and all these different names, David Grush, of course, high-ranking officials in the military. So that called people's attention over the past few years. So it started, that conversation started to evolve really since 2020, the summer of 2023. And now today, here we are starting the summer of 2026. And we have just, it's fever pitch.

I mean, you can feel it in the air. The White House dropping files, whatever you want to think of the files that have been dropped and there are still yet to be dropped. And the conversations being had out in the public, out in the open, we're at a new level here. And I'm excited for it because it does cause new. discussions and new perspectives to be had by the general populace. And that to me is exciting for someone who has been covering this topic from an investigative standpoint for almost the past five years because now that leads to different conversations. That leads to different, or I should say really a different comfort level, you know, when it comes to the public discussing this and

being spoken about in a more serious manner in the major network cycle, a major new cycle in the mainstream. So, you know, just to kind of put all that together and tie it into what we spoke about here today, I really think I can say at least that we're kind of entering in, or I think actually we have entered into a new age of media coverage when it comes to the UFO topic. And then we're going to get the Steven Spielberg movie Disclosure Day on June 12th. So that's going to be a major thing for this discussion as well, something that's coming up as we stand here a few weeks away. but I kind of got off on a tangent there but I thought it was an important point to make

but also you know kind of just to tie together here before we're done what he said about Dick Cheney you know that was something that stuck with me and credit to UAP Gerb and the work that he's done on his platform on YouTube you know he was really

I shouldn't say the first you know a lot of these names have been mentioned by other people but when UAPGERB mentioned Dick Cheney as one of the main gatekeepers within the guns government history of the legacy program, that caught a lot of people's attention, including mine. And so when I had Lou on the show, I thought, well, I got to ask him about that because

he would know pretty well if that's true or not, considering where he was in his own government work. And to hear him say yes, but he couldn't expound on that, that was notice, that was the only part of the interview, okay, in the over an hour and a half that we spoke in these two parts, that was the only question he could not expound on was about Dick Cheney and what Dick Cheney knew and what he was, what kind of secrets he was guarding, how deep into this was he, that was the only time that Lou had to stop me and say,

I can't talk about that very much. All I can tell you is that, yes, he was heavily involved. That didn't go unnoticed to me. And that's why I wanted to point that out because that I thought was very, very telling. So to be continued on the Dick Cheney conversation, course, if you don't remember, you know, Vice President to George W. Bush 2001 to 2009, and he passed away, I think last year, I think it was. So to be continued on the Dick Cheney front, very fascinating

topic there to me about someone who now we know out in the open was heavily involved. You heard Lou Elizando say it, heavily involved in guarding secrets, someone who was at the forefront as a gatekeeper of information. Pretty wild. It's, you know, where does that take us? I'm not going to let go over that topic, and I'm very curious to see what else I can find out about what Dick Cheney knew, and maybe it was along the lines of what Kevin Chuldress knew, you know, to hear about

more in detail, about circumstances surrounding his death, to hear that he was in good health, and about a week away from going to Congress with Lou to talk about what he knew, what he found out. The Department of Energy was on to him. You heard Lou say it, and then his wife goes to work,

and she comes back, and she finds him lying dead on the couch. and this was August of 2021. So remember what was going on there. Of course, none of us will forget. We were in the midst of COVID. We were in the midst of the pandemic at that point, a year and a half into it going back to March of 2020. So a lot was being blamed on COVID when it came to deaths in 2021.

And they just kind of lumped Kevin Childress into that grouping, even though, as you heard Lou say, his wife says, he was fine. I left that day and he was fine. He didn't have symptoms or signs of COVID. He hadn't tested positive. But boom, just throw it in there. COVID, have a nice day. Not shady at all, right?

So, you know, now we have to add Kevin Chilis's name to this list of missing or dead scientists or government officials. He has to be added to this list now, along with Matthew Sullivan and so many others, General McCaslin and so many others who, Amy Eskridge, we spoke about in part one, over the years who have. gone missing or met some type of demise. Concerning to say the least, startling, scary, whatever adjective you want to use to cover that, it's all the above. But there was something else, and I'm not going to forget that story because, you know, he also mentioned Christopher Mellon. I don't want to gloss over that.

He said, Christopher Mellon had a similar thing happen to him with one of his witnesses. So we don't even know who that is. But now we're talking about Christopher Mellon having a similar circumstance where he was working with somebody and that person was found dead. I mean, this is not good, to say the least. This is not good. And I hope at some point we can get to the bottom of this stuff and stop acting like that these things are not connected because of, look, just my simple observation, I think

they're connected. That's my take on it. I don't see how they couldn't be. We're talking about people who have specific knowledge in a specific field. And these are the specific people who are either being found dead, who have gone missing. And now we're adding even more to the list than someone, an unnamed person with Christopher Mellon. So it's not a good situation. And I'll continue to try to cover it as best as I can as details continue to evolve throughout this entire thing. But there was one more thing I wanted

to mention here. And that was Project Interloper. There was, again, so much, I don't mean to he beating a dead horse with that phrase, but there is so much that was spoken about here. And Project Interloper, I feel like was one of those things that might have fallen through the cracks during this discussion, where Lou was openly spoke about in this project about, you know, trying to take down UFOs, that he was in the room. He says he was in the room when they had those discussions about how can we take down physically crash UFOs to recover them. we can study them for our own purposes. And he spoke about this project interloper where the goal was to attract UFOs with nuclear

signatures in the water so that they were. And we know the history. I mean, Bob Salas, we've spoken about him, spoken to him here in the past multiple times on the show with the Malmstrom Air Force Base incident in the 1960s and many other instances of UFOs seemingly being attracted to nuclear bases or nuclear installations, nuclear weapons tests. and now here we have that knowledge, apparently, according to Liu, that, you know, knowledge very well known within government circles and military circles, so much so that they would use, you know, radiation nuclear signals or signatures in the water to try to attract UFO. It's like a mouse trap.

It's like putting a piece of cheese in a mouse trap to attract the mouse. That's apparently what this project interloper was. I mean, it's like, hello, that's a big deal. that's a really big deal. So whether or not that was successful, how long it went on, or maybe even if it was practiced, maybe we don't know, maybe it was scrapped. But the fact that it was spoken about in the open, and I know Lou didn't confirm whether or not it happened, but he said he was against it.

My theory is, just by the way he presented it, it's kind of sound like we tried to do it, but I can't confirm that. But with that, again, you're talking about out in the open, the U.S. government, the U.S. military working to physically attract UFOs to a spot so we can take them down and use them for ourselves. That's incredible. We've speculated about it. We've heard stories about it.

That right there is, to me, proof that it was at the very least spoken about within government and military circles as a real possibility and a real option to do something like that. So make it what you will. Connect any dots that you would like to connect. but I thought that was a massive thing that Lou touched on during these two parts of this interview. And I wanted to say it here before we were done. And then, of course, my own personal reflection on Louelizondo, you might hate me for it.

You might agree with me on it. I never do it. I never say outwardly, you know, I can't believe people treat you like this. I think you're great. I think you're this or that. I'm just saying my own observations of talking to the guy for over three hours and conversations that we've had here on the show and otherwise. I've spoken, I've looked him in the eye, maybe I'm being tricked, maybe I'm being played, you can say what you ever want to say, I'm fine with that.

Maybe you don't like the guy, I get it, I've gotten a lot of negative feedback on social media from people who say that they don't like Lou Elizando, they don't want me having him on. My job is to talk to anybody who is within this field that has something very interesting to say because I want to present those stories and those details to you. I would be doing a disservice to myself and to you into the show if I didn't bring people like Lou Elizondo here on the show. But I did want to say, again, just because to get those points of view out there, feel free to disagree. Feel free to not like them. I mean, that's completely up to you.

It's not going to offend me. I just want to have those conversations for you with you to put these things out there. That's important to me. and that's what the show is about. But to kind of come out of character a little bit, like I did with Lou, I did want to make it known that my stance here on Lou is that I think he's been treated unfairly. And that comes based off of my personal interactions with him, speaking to him for hours on end, multiple interviews here on the show.

Again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm being played. I don't know. But my personal feeling, my gut feeling after speaking with him, a lot of people don't get to do that. A lot of people just have outside opinions based off of what they say. on social media or what they hear from other people. I'm telling you as somebody who has now sat in front of him for multiple hours over multiple interviews, I don't see it.

I just don't see all the things that people say about him in a negative light being the case. Again, that's my own personal experience and I just wanted to put that out there. Make of it what you will. Call me crazy. Call me stupid. Say I'm being tricked. That's fine.

That's just my own personal feeling on it. So just wanted to put that out there as well. And I apologize if that offends you. But that being said, just an incredible week here for this two-parter. And I am happy because it is an honor to have someone in the statue of Lou Elizondo here on the show. And I think that speaks to the credibility of this show, what I've been able to build with this show, where someone like Lou Elizondo, who is in the international eye and is on all of the major mainstream networks talking about this stuff, that he would make time to come on here.

on UAP. And I really appreciate that because that means that he sees this show here as one of the big outlets for this conversation. And I always give credit to you because you've done that. You've helped to make this show what it is here today because you download it, you subscribe to it, you listen to it. I mean, you interact with me and the show over the past five years. So without that, we don't get to have these discussions. So as always, thank you for continuing to come back here on UAP. And I hope to continue to do it even more as we go on.

and in fact we will do it even more next week. A lot coming up here on the show. So stick around, a lot planned. A lot of feelers out there for guests. And I want to continue to have these conversations with, you know, a lot of the big names in the space and cover all the big stories as well within this, this conversation and this topic because there is a lot to cover. And you know, I'm going to do my best.

One final note, I will not be at contact in the desert. I know that's kind of random to throw out there right now. I was planning on going to contact in the desert. next week here as we stand on the final weekend of May next week. I had everything planned to go, but unfortunately some unforeseen circumstances have stopped me from going. And so I had to unfortunately cancel my plans for this year. It stinks.

I'm sorry if you were trying to meet me there. I really do apologize. I was looking forward to being there again this year. But things come up in the family and I have to stay home this time. so I really do apologize for that. But hopefully in 2027, we can be there together. I would like to go back. I was planning on going, like I said this year,

but I would hopefully, God willing, if we're all still here in 2027, then I would love to go back then and hopefully see you then at contact in the desert. But all of that put aside, make sure you continue to follow, subscribe to the show, wherever you get your podcast in any of the major podcasting platforms, just search UAP. Same thing on YouTube, UAP podcast, and follow along at UAP or at UAP podcast 850. on social media on all the major channels there for social media at UA Podcast 850. So with all that said, I know a lot of reflection here today on this one, but there was a lot to cover.

But that will do it for now on this episode of UAP. Thank you so much. Thank you again for everything and for all of the support. Really, it does mean the world to me. And I have a lot of messages that haven't gotten back to you. If you're one of those, I apologize, it will get back to those messages. So until next time, it's Stephen Dean here saying be well. And thanks again.

Talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.