UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 21: Secrets of the Moon

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

It's the start of season 3 and the beginning of a special two-part series on the moon. We explore the validity of the so-called "father of remote viewing" and his claims about what is on the moon and how long the government has been hiding these secrets. Why haven't we gone back? Why don't we have high-resolution pictures? These are just some of the things that we explore in this fascinating episode of UAP.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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How are you, Karen? When the moon hits you die like a big pizza pie, that's somebody. You know it's going to be good when we start off with Karen singing because it's all about the moon. Oh, goodness. And I say it's a special edition for two reasons. Number one, welcome to season three. Oh, my gosh. really already? Yes, we just move right along here on UAP. That is the first episode of season

three. But we're starting off with a bang here. Not only is at the start of season three, but it is a two-parter to start off the new season. Well, you've got to give the moon two parts. Yes, there's so much. And we were going to try to fit everything about the moon, secret history of the moon, all the stories. You wouldn't believe it. We wouldn't be able to survive without the moon here on Earth. That's true. But there's so much to talk about when it comes to the different testimonies and the stories and the accusations about the moon and the Apollo missions and all these different things that there was no way we could fit it into one episode so we're going to split it

up. A lot of unanswered questions about the moon. I'm surprised because we've been there like what seven times. Yeah, about that, right? So we're going to get into all of it here today and next week on part two. So stick around. It's going to be a lot of fun. But before we get into some of these stories about the moon, Karen, you have our fun fact,

right? We always start off with a fun fact. That's right. I have a factoid about the moon. Scientists are convinced that a near-earth asteroid may be a piece of the moon. Oh. It's the size of a ferris wheel. It's pretty decent. It's a space rock, and it comes past Earth every April.

And it's called Kamalaewa. Wow. Sounds Hawaiian. It does, right? Yeah. Astronomers at the University of Arizona noticed this asteroid, and it had similar properties to the moon and the moon rocks brought back from NASA's Apollo emissions, which we're going to get into. Scientists published their findings after five years of data collection and how that asteroid may have broken off from the moon. Who broke the moon in the first place remains a mystery.

So we start out with a fact and a mystery. That's right. And that's actually a good segue because there's a lot of mystery. You would think the moon is just, you know, all right, it's that big rock up there. It does all the things with the gravitational pole. And without it, we'd be. We wouldn't have tides. It would be bad.

Yeah. How far away from the Earth is the moon? I want to say it is 238,900 miles. Is that right? Yes. All right. Ding, ding, ding, ding. So comparatively speaking, the ISS is, what, 200 miles above our head, 240?

Yeah. So the moon is far, far away, and supposedly we've been there. Well, yes. Don't doubt the moon landing to Buzz Aldrin's face because he will punch you. I was going to punch you in the face. And I think I mentioned that in our last episode when we teased the moon. I am going to have the video of Buzz Aldrin punching a conspiracy theorist in the face who confronted him about the moon landing being fake.

You imagine if you went all the way to the moon 238,900 miles and someone said, no, you didn't. Right. My gosh. So a lot to get to there. We do have a lot to get to on the Apollo missions, but that will be in part two. Part one, we're starting up with some interesting things, right, Karen? Yeah. Ken Johnson in the 1960s?

Well, what happened was that there's some questions about the moon, and some of them are, why don't we have any high-res photos of them? Yes, good question. Of the moon, rather. The Russians have been there. We've been there. Right. There's questions whether or not the Ananakis, you remember them,

they were back during the ancient Sumerians and Babylonians. Yeah, we talked about them in our ancient alien series. Maybe they did go there. Why did the Apollo missions end? Remember, they only were, they went there from the 60s and early 70s, and then they stopped. It's a great question. Russia went there. And why didn't we colonize it?

There's so many weird and strange questions about the moon. So in the 1960s, Ken Johnston was the NASA test pilot, and he was the director of data and photo control department. The data and photo control department of the Johnson Space Center in Houston, and he inspected photos brought back from the moon by the astronauts.

It took like Polaroids or how that work, but they're not high-res. And we had equipment back then that they could use. Yes. But for some weird... So here's Kent Johnston about the photos. In my opinion, that is not a natural structure. It's got to be some intelligent species that created

He says the astronauts came back with some incredible photos. I was in kind of shock. And some of the craters would actually show domes and actual bases. He took the images to his boss and he said, hey, what's with these domes? Are they bases on the moon? And he said his boss told him to make the photos disappear. And we argued a little bit. He finally said, I don't care what you to just get rid of those pictures that were taken.

Maybe like that. Sounds like stuff today. Oh. Just get rid of it. Yeah. So Ken Johnston, I mean, he's not the only person. We're going to have a lot of testimony like that here during these two parts of people talking about. And we'll put the photo up at our website, 850WFTL.com under the UAP blog post of these structures.

First, he says they look like they were made by some sort of intelligent life. And then he's asking his boss, well, what are these? And he's like, make this photo disappear. And it's like, whoa. So, yeah, a lot of things. testimonies like that, you know, that you're going to hear. And it's just, you're going to be really, if you come into this as a skeptic, by the end of it, you may leave thinking, wait, all of these high-ranking officials are talking about the same thing, seeing these structures on the moon,

trying to explain, you know, trying to explain that stuff away. It's, it's impossible. Like, how are their structures on the moon? That's right. And, you know, these images show possibly that there was another civilization that landed on the moon. Maybe the on, Ananak, the Ananakis, or, you know, this would be other than the NASA astronauts. We had the Russians up there. So what about the photographic evidence of the moon bases? They asked this astrophotographer, Andrew McCarthy. It really does look like something artificial at first glance.

When an impact happens, ejecta is flung everywhere. Some of it is flung straight up and comes straight back down. And it creates these irregular piles in the middle of the cruise. crater that you see here. Frankly, if it wasn't there, that would be weird. So, so his hypothesis is that basically the domes are created naturally by, you know, asteroids, creating craters and something hitting it. It comes, you know, all the residue and debris comes straight back down and creates that dome looking structure. Right. Which is possible. I mean, right, it's one of the other. But then again, if you go with Ken Johnston's account, why is his boss telling him get rid of the photos? That's right.

If it's just from, you know, impact craters. I don't know. I mean, the moon is full of craters, right? So also next, the Mars mission planner, Jonathan Hill, he took the photos and he took a look at the strange vehicle tracks on them. Now, you can get these similar tracks on the moon from like a boulder rolling across, which I don't know if that would be some creature rolling the boulder, but they wouldn't be in parallel lines.

Yeah, that's true too. Like these tracks. And remember, the Soviets had a wheeled vehicle up on the moon as well in the 70s. I think they had it before us. Okay. So, but Jonathan Hill, he is the Mars mission planner, he says that this is weird because the tracks are parallel. So my first thought was the lunar rovers driven by the Apollo astronauts. But images from the Apollo landing sites don't show that.

The United States was not the only country. country that sent wheeled vehicles to the moon. They look very, very similar to those two parallel line tracks we saw before. But we still can't quite prove definitively that that's what caused these particular set of double tracks. So we have what seems to be vehicle tracks on the moon. We have what looks to be domes on the moon structures. So what is it?

I mean, what was it, you know, Apollo vehicles? Was it Russian moon vehicles? Are these domes really just from impact craters? These are all questions that have not been answered. But the fact of the matter is, Karen, these things are being seen through photographs. Low-res photographs, again, we don't see any high-res photographs of the moon, even though we've had that technology for 60 years and they haven't showed us anything. It doesn't make sense, right? Yeah, well.

Send a time photographer up there. Right. Anyway, so, and is the moon solid, you know, that's another question. Right. Hollow? Is it solid? Is it made of cheese? Is it all sticky? That might sound like a crazy thing to ask, but, well, there's some people who have different theories on that. And some people say, they've seen lights on the moon. Right?

What's that about? Well, you know, the lights could be, as far as theories go, lights from, you know, the different bases, you know, structures and things like that on the moon. Maybe the astronauts forgot to turn the lights off when they left. It could be. And put the alarm on. But it is. I mean, look, there's been reports of all that stuff. said, we've only ever seen one side, too. I mean, there's so much. That's the weirdest thing.

Yes. And no one can tell me why we only see the one side and not the dark side of the moon. It just continues to follow us around on Earth without spinning. That's weird. There's no spin to the moon. Right. It just kind of moves in that stationary space. But, you know, the Chinese actually have a probe on the dark side of the moon right now.

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Swan. He's a remote viewer. And he wrote a book. He had to sign... Okay, so the CIA paid him to be a remote viewer and go to the moon and view what he saw on the moon. He saw people up there. He saw all kinds of stuff. All right. They were partying. And so then they

made him sign a 10-year non-disclosure agreement. Then after the 10 years, he started forgetting about stuff. So he wrote it all down. And they said, oh, that would be a good book. So the book's called penetration and it's available. But he explains what it was like when he was a remote viewer up on the moon. In this remote viewing sessions, well, units like people there and big stuff, lots of activity and things like that. It started in 75 and went into 1976. But the whole series of events

that took place because of this sort of innocent remote viewing of the moon, we forget about the whole thing until in about 1990-91, I realized I was starting on. And that led in my literary agent and said, oh, this is going to make a great book. And when she tried to sell it, nobody would pick it up and publish it. Imagine that. Because it contains several concepts that are very embarrassing, I think, to, well, the mainstream powers that be. So what was so embarrassing? Exactly, right?

Was it just the fact that there were things that were going to uncover that the government has been lying exactly what's up on moon? Why did we stop the Apollo missions? Where some of those questions would we have looked weak? Because there's different civilizations, alien civilizations who already have colonized the moon? Is that what would be embarrassing? So again, just a little background on Ingo Swan, like Karen was saying, he's a remote viewer. Not only that, but he's considered the father of remote viewing. Oh, okay. This is a guy who basically started a program at Stanford, I want to say, and started started studying what the possibilities were of remote viewing. Actually, remember the movie The Men Who Stere Goats?

Yeah, with George Clooney. Right. Project Pegasus was something that Ingoose was something that Ingo Swan started. The Men Who Stair at Goats is based off of Ingo Swan and Project Pegasus. They're able to sit in a room and travel mentally to the moon or to the Soviet Union, look at the enemies, whatever. They can go anywhere where they want with their mind. And that's how it started with Ingo Swan when it comes to him working with the government. because they, it is.

What came to him is that the CIA caught on to what he was doing and thought, hey, well, look, if this is actually working, let's go ahead and use you to spy on the Soviet Union and our other enemies to see what they're doing. Why don't we use you on Earth? Yeah. And then the moon stuff came later on with a man, by the way, named Axel Rod. No. Yes. Obviously a codename, but the man named Axel Rod came to Ingol Swan and said, hey, we need you to look at the moon.

So he does explain what was so embarrassing. I have that here. We've been taught many years that the moon was a dead place. There was no water, no air, no nothing, you know. He saw air. I think I commented on water on the moon, but it's only in the last two years. The science has finally admitted that there is water and an atmosphere on the moon, but back in the 60s, this was denied.

You know, everybody was taught for things like analysis of moon rocks, a billion years old. billion years older than Earth is. If that would be true and they think that that is true, then there's a question where the moon came from. And it would not be a natural satellite. The density of the moon is far. And if the satellite's hollow, that means it's not just said it's a created or man-made type of thing.

Unpacked that, Stephen. How do you like that? So first let's go back to how the moon got there. Well, and that's really interesting because he says that the moon is, according to the stuff they brought back, the rocks, is billions of years older than the Earth, but there was this giant impact hypothesis called the Big Splash.

It's the Thea impact was suggest that the moon formed from the ejection of a collision between the Proto Earth and a Mars-sized planet about 4.5 billion years ago. And that planet was called Thea. And it hit the Earth and it knocked the

piece of the moon and the moon are all these pieces gathered and made the moon. Well, that can't be right. I mean, that sounds like a crazy theory and it's on its own, really. I mean, you talk about all the stuff we talk about and we sound crazy sometimes. That theory from scientists sounds crazy to me. Well, it's the only one they can come up with. How did the moon form? Did someone make it? That's what he's saying. Yeah. I mean, and that's the question right now, right? I never really thought about questioning was the moon some type of man-made, so to speak, structure or from an advanced civilization, whatever it might be. But when you talk about a guy who, you know, was considered to be the father of remote viewing, and we've talked about remote viewers

before on this show in previous episodes, I mean, it just, it has to make you think a little bit. I know it sounds crazy to think that, well, the moon may not be, you know, a natural formation. And he starts talking about there might be hollow caverns, which we're going to get into in part two as well. There's oxygen up there. So there's some facts about the moon, Stephen, that the dark side of the moon, really both sides of the moon, see the same amount of sunlight.

However, only one side faces us. Right. And we were talking about that, and it makes me bend spoons with my mind. I know. I don't understand why we only see the one side of the moon. And this guy, Ingo Swan, explains why. There may be a final answer.

I don't think there is one. I don't think anybody knows exactly why that happens, why the moon keeps one side always to Earth. That's one of the phenomena of the moon that I made an effort to find out what the answer was. And it seems like there isn't an answer yet. So I don't have one either. If he doesn't have one, this is the guy who's looking at the moon and seeing structures and seeing all these different things. So one side of the moon, the same side, always faces Earth. So the side facing away from the earth has only been seen by the human eye from a spacecraft.

Right. And you say the Chinese have something over there. Yeah, the Chinese do have a probe on the dark side of the moon, and we haven't heard much about it. That'd be kind of cool. I've seen the dark side of the moon. Yeah, exactly. Maybe it's exactly like the front side of the moon, you know? Well, I don't know.

And then the tides are caused by the moon, of course. There are two bulges on the earth due to the gravitational pull of the moon. Right. It exerts pull. And one, the side facing the moon, and the other is the opposite side that faces away from the moon. So the bulges move around the oceans as the Earth rotates, and it causes the high and low ties around the globe, which you can set your watch to. Now, if you want to get philosophical, you can say that this is all just the intelligent design of God. It's so smart.

It is so smart. I mean, if you want to take that route, then sure. And for us to have another Earth, you know, another planet like Earth. somewhere else in the whole galaxy and the whole solar system and the whole universe, you'd need to have the similar situation with the moon. Right, it's true. So they look for planets that are about the same distance from their suns with possibility of a moon.

Right, right. When they look for life and other, what do they call those, the Goldilocks planets? Yeah, when they try to find a planet that might have life. Right. Some type of life, maybe not, you know, humanoids like Earth or whatever, but some type of life. And it's, it really did all this stuff kind of, it's so intriguing. It is. And the moon is drifting away from the earth.

Did you know that? Oh, that's not good. No. No, come back moon. It's only drifting 3.8 centimeters away from our planet each year. By the way, if you want to take a look at some of the things we were talking about earlier, the moon structures that we're seeing in those pictures or the Buzz Aldrin video where he punches the guy in the face, you can go at 850wFTL.com.

Search out UAP on the podcast page. or you can just search UAP on the website and you can look at the UAP blog. All the episodes are there, everything that we talked about in this episode and previous episodes and catch up on them if you want. It's all good stuff there.

It really is. The one thing I like about the moon, Stephen, is that you weigh much less on the moon. Oh, that is also a good thing. You can go back to your birth weight, no. I think that it's due to its smaller mass so you weigh about one-sixth of your weight that you weigh on Earth.

That is fascinating. That's why lunar astronauts can leap around and bound, and to the air. That's kind of fun, right? And some other fun facts about the moon that's only been walked on by 12 people. Really?

And they've all been American men. The first man, of course, was Neil Armstrong in 1969. So the Sovitz sent a rover, but no men. Right, right, right, right, right. So that was the difference there. And supposedly we're supposed to be going back to the moon at some point in the next few years.

Yes. So my question is, and this is something that I was kind of thinking about going into this episode, going, right? Right. Why? That's always been one of the biggest questions.

I think what the last mission was 1972, Apollo 17, and since then, the moon's only been visited by unmanned vehicles. Of course, all the lunar probes and everything that we send out, you know, that we send up there since 1972. But the question has always been, why did we stop going? Now, the easy answer is funding, okay? If you don't want to go any conspiracy theory routes or anything sinister, then you just say it's money.

They started the shuttle program, which we did. very expensive. Right. So maybe that's the case. Or if you do want to go the other route, you can say it's because there was some type of deal struck. Maybe whoever was in those supposed structures on the moon didn't want us coming anymore. So my question to you, Karen, is once we go back, because by the time we go back,

it's going to be over 50 years since we went to the moon. Right. So does that mean we're going to get some type of disclosure at that point now that we're going to be going back? And our technology is just so much. much further along. Oh, forget it. They used, I mean, we have more power in our cell phones than they had in the whole Apollo spacecraft.

Yeah, exactly. You're right. You're right. You can't tell me, again, in the 1960s, this is a known fact. They had, and you'll hear from people in this episode and also next week's episode on part two of the moon, who talk about the technology, the satellite technology that the U.S. government had already in the 60s. where they can read someone's license plate from space.

Oh, wow. So why have we not, even with the lunar modules that have gone up there and the, you know, the rovers in the past, say, 20 years, why have we not seen a high-resolution picture? Or why is it not on Google Maps? Yeah, something. I mean, I don't know. I don't get it. But, hey, look, this is why we do the show, all these questions. There's moonquakes, by the way.

They occur several kilometers beneath the surface, causing ruptures and cleats. cracks. And so I just think the moon has a molten core like the earth. It's not hollow. So we don't know. And so weird. Basically, we have no idea. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy-to-run email and social media campaigns. But what if you hit that wall and you get stuck somewhere? Well, no problem because Shopify is always around to share advice with their reward-winning 24-7 customer support.

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And what they also say about the moon, Karen, some other weird things you wouldn't think of has no atmosphere. Well, it has a little bit of an exo. A little bit. Has an exo atmosphere. I think so. So if there is nothing like that, that means the Earth, I'm sorry, The moon does not have a surface that is protected from cosmic rays.

Right. Right. So that's no fun. Right. You'll have meteorites and solar winds and huge temperature variations, of course. And the lack of atmosphere also means that no sound can be heard on the moon. Oh. And the sky always appears black because you're just looking out into space.

Right. So and if you... Because Carl Sagan can explain why our sky's blue. Both. There you go. That's why he was Carl Sagan. That's right. And I don't know if you saw the movie at Astra with Brad Pitt.

Kind of a crazy movie, but it was interesting. And there was one scene where they're having like this gunfight on the moon, but there's no sound. Sound right. So they kind of made that true to life. If there was a gunfight on the moon and explosions, there would be nothing. Here's our podcast on the moon. Just silence. So in 1950, in the 50s, the U.S.

of course we did we wanted to detonate a nuclear bomb on the moon you know that's what we like to do we just like to destroy everything but we didn't thank god imagine say hey let's see what this will do on the moon and the aliens would have been very upset then we blow up the moon and you well that's why the aliens come here to check out make sure we don't blow up the moon right well you don't want that oh those dumb humans are going to blow the moon up you got to send george over there unbelievable my god but yeah when you go back and and think about with ingle swan and everything that he's says that he saw. Again, this is a guy known

fact who worked for the U.S. government. They paid him. He paid him, yes. Did a lot of remote viewing. For the CIA. And it's, I mean, remote viewing in itself is a fascinating aspect because you talk about a technique,

a psychic technique, I guess you could say, that allows you to go into this altered state of consciousness to look out at something else. And what they did for, Ingo Moon, was they would give Ingle Moon, Ingo Swan, they would give him St. Moon too much, um, coordinates. And they actually, there was, there was one time where they gave him coordinates for, uh, Jupiter,

but he didn't know who's looking at. Oh, so they just sent him with the coordinates and he, oh, that's interesting. And then he did it and he was describing Jupiter. He describes all these, you know, ice crystals in the air and that was kind of what looked like rings around Jupiter. And at that point when he was- Did he see Thor, Majestic? Like, what's his name?

No, no, nothing like that. Vali and Thor. He was in Venus. Oh, he was in Venus. Yes, yes. If you have no idea what we're talking about, just go back to alien agents in the government. You can learn about Valiant Thor in one of our previous episodes. Fascinating stuff.

And that was in season two. So, but he talked about describing the surface and the air surrounding Jupiter. And then he talked about rings that were around Jupiter. And at that point, when he was doing the remote, viewing, there was no such mention of rings. So they're like, what's this guy talking about? Well, a few years later, NASA discovers that Jupiter does, in fact, have rings, not like Saturn where there's so big invisible.

But there's no way for him to know that. It wasn't even discovered by NASA yet. That's so cool. So this is a guy that, look, hey, they gave him coordinates. You go look. And that was, that's what he did. It's amazing. It is amazing.

Yeah. I think I'm going to go to Denny's and get my moons over my hammy now. because I'm just totally mooned up. Starting to get a little hungry. Yeah. But next week, what are we doing? So next week, and this is, my gosh, when you talk about some of this stuff that we just talked about here with Ingo Swan and Axelrod.

Okay. Oh, wait a minute, before I get to next week, I forgot one bit from Axelrod. Oh, yeah. I mean, this guy's name is Axel Rod. How can I not talk about it more? he talked about taking Ingo Swan on a flight to an unknown, an unknown North Lili destination. Now, deduced by Ingo Swan, of course, as a remote viewer,

he guessed it was somewhere in Alaska. When they were there, along with them, they took two twin bodyguards, English Swan called them, and Axelrodin and Swan attempted to secretly watch what they call the recurrent UFO appear over this, undisclosed location in Alaska and suck up the water from the lake. Now, why is that important?

Because remember, we've talked about before carrying U.S.Os. Right. Unidentified submerged objects. That was in another episode that we did previously, that you can find in 850WFTL.com and an Apple and Spotify, wherever you get this podcast. And so that would go to that theory about USOs being underwater or maybe using water as fuel, whatever it might be. Now, Axelrod discloses then to Swan, according to English Swan in his account,

that the silent growing oscillating triangle, again, the triangle UFOs are back. Right. Are simultaneously scanning the area and eliminating any animals in the area. Oh. That the silent beams, he talked about, that were emanating from the triangular object, that they were blasting deer or porcupines from the woods. Oh, my gosh. Why?

Just clearing it out. Oh. And then he talks about the twilight. bodyguards who came to the attention that they've been discovered by the UFOs and then the group was attacked. Again, this is according to English Swan's

account of what happened. They were attacked by the UFO. Swan says that he was thrown to safety by his colleagues and sustained only minor injuries. So, this guy has some pretty fantastical stories. Again, you talk about a guy... Who's Axel Rod?

Axel Rod was one name, Axel, last name Rod, Not like Axel Rose No, no, no, not like that He's basically the government agent The secret government agent Who would talk to Ingo Swan And have him do all these

He's the guy that got him to do the remote viewing Right, okay Got him on the payroll Yeah, the experiments And basically he kind of became like his government guide So to speak His go-to guy His handler

Yes, yes, exactly And apparently in this one time They ended up going to Alaska To do some type of viewing of these triangular UFOs and things got a little wild. I see. Yes. That's crazy.

So this guy, Ingo Swan, had a pretty interesting life, especially when you're talking about being the father of remote viewing and basically coming up with the technique himself and seeing Jupiter and all these things on the moon. And his book, one of the books, he has many, but one of them is called penetration. That's his when he went to the moon and he viewed what he saw on the moon if you want to read that. Yes. Basically an autobiography that came out in 1998 and talks about all that. that stuff and even talks about how he came into contact with a scantily clad female alien in a Los Angeles

supermarket. Really? They have gender. That's what he says. He concluded that extraterrestrials. It was Angelina Jolie. Maybe. He concludes that extraterrestrials are living on Earth in humanoid bodies. So kind of like Yeah. I mean look that's been talked about before when they say, you know, reptilians, so to speak, are dressed as humans. You've seen that in shows like V, I think it was called. That was a couple iterations of that show in the early 2000s. And in the 80s, even they, they live, I think. Right.

With Rowdy, Roddy Piper back in the 80s. That movie was pretty wild. My favorite Martian. Yes. So all those different things that talk about, you know, aliens looking like humans. And that's what Ingo Swan refers to there. So pretty interesting guy, this Ingo Swan. And the thing that got me the most is that he,

He's the one who said that there was rings around Jupiter before NASA even discovered it. That's amazing. And this is the guy that worked for the government for a long time. And they gave him coordinates. He had no idea where they were sending him. They would just give him coordinates. So what are they as opposed to, I mean, the coordinates are based on what? It's not lat long.

So you mean, space has coordinates? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I'm not sure how the coordinates work for Jupiter. But they basically gave him something and said, hey, you know, take a look at this. and all of a sudden he's on Jupiter, same thing for the moon, or when he was spying on the Soviet Union and trying to do all that stuff. Pretty wild stuff, Karen. It is.

I love this because, you see, Stephen has been documenting all these weird stories for years and years and years. And he has a whole list of them, and he never do what, you know, he just wrote him down. He didn't have a purpose. And then suddenly podcasts started, and then the United States government released some information about UFOs and it's exploded, and now we have our podcast. And we appreciate everybody who's been listening, and hopefully you're enjoying it. I mean, we see it growing,

and it's growing exponentially, so we appreciate you. But it's mostly because, you know, you've been studying this for so long. You're not going to hear this anywhere else. It's a compilation of things that you're not going to hear anywhere else because Stephen's been researching this for so long, and now it's come to fruition.

It is pretty well. And now we can dig into it. Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty unique combination. It's fun. No, thank you. It is fun. We always have a lot of fun. Hopefully you have fun listening. You could always do it 850 WFTL.com, Apple, Spotify, wherever we get your podcast.

You can rate us with five extraterrestrial stars, as you like to say. And also tune in next time. Yeah, what are we talking about next time? Oh, it's part two of our Moon series. Wait, it's part two of our season three. That's correct. Episode two, part two of season three next time on UAP, because we're going back into more stories of people like Carl Wool. Wolf, who worked for the Air Force and said that he saw the pictures of the structures on the moon

and what happened to him later on as well. Oh. Not to mention the lost transcripts, Karen, this is what I've been waiting to get to. Oh, this is fun. For weeks and weeks and weeks, I've been waiting to get to this one part that we're going to do next week. So some ham operator heard this conversation from the moon when they switch channels? That's right. Apparently the lost audio from the Apollo 11 mission, when Buzz Aldrin.

and Neil Armstrong switched to the medical channel. What was being said? What did they see? And audio from Buzz Aldrin himself. Oh, it's sticky. We talked about seeing a UFO. On the moon. Yes.

On the way to the moon anyway. Oh, oh. Oh, I can't wait to get into all this. But part two is going to be... Do we have the audio? We sure do. Oh, yay. Part two is going to be fantastic next week.

Don't miss that. And make sure, again, if you've missed any other episodes previously, you can always find them 850w.w.ftel.com or wherever we get your podcasts, it's the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Stephen Dina right here, Karen Curtis over there. We'll talk to you again next time. Thanks.