UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 210 Unlocking the Consciousness Connection

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

We are diving deep into the mysteries of consciousness during our interview with an experiencer named Carolina. Could it be that these "mysteries" are instead forgotten knowledge waiting for us to tap back into them? How do different frequencies and even sacred geometry play into all of this? Our connection to other life may lie within us...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome back into UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here, as always, on the Unidentified Alien Podcast for episode number 210. Happy to be back with you here, especially on what I think will be proved to be a very important week. And I'll tell you why in just a second. But first, we're here today to talk about, well, get a little deep here, actually,

on the consciousness connection. You know, that is something that comes up every once in a while when it comes to the UAP topic and trying to kind of figure out, I think we can guess that there is some type of consciousness connection to the UAP phenomenon and how some people may connect or communicate with extraterrestrials or with craft. It's all very kind of, you know, it's a little mysterious. It's what's kind of considered to be the woo, the woo-woo, meaning kind of like the strange stuff

and the strangest not already is the UAP topic. but it's something that I find really intriguing because I do think a lot of answers when it comes to the phenomenon itself lie within our own consciousness. And again, I know that sounds deep, but that's the kind of episode that we're going to have here today. And we are going to do it with a woman named Carolina Brown. Now, to start off, I do need to give a little bit of background on this because you have most likely never heard of Carolina. And the reason for that is because she is a real-life experiencer. She is someone who actually I met last year. You'll hear us mention it quickly as we start the conversation.

But just to kind of give a little bit more context, I met her last year at Contact in the Desert in 2025. And she listens to the show and she loves, you know, listening and everything. And one of the things that connected with kind of, you know, with her when she was listening one day, was the episode I did way back when about sacred geometry. Now, if you follow along the podcast and you're subscribed to it, you'll see that I released a UAP greatest hits over the weekend, and it was the episode I did about sacred geometry,

I believe back in 2022. And the reason why I released it was specifically to connect to this episode, because that was the episode back four years ago when I originally did it, that covered the topic of sacred geometry. geometry. And that's what inspired Carolina to come talk to me a few years later at contact in the desert and to tell me how much she connected with it and what she's doing in her own practices with sacred geometry. And essentially it's, you know, really just how does, how do we communicate with the unconscious universe and what is out there that allows us to do that already? Things having to do with, you know, spirals and numbers 369 and kind of how it all connects. together when it comes to the UAP topic. And Carolina experienced that personally with her son. Her son was very sick.

She told me this last year. Her son was very sick. And all conventional medical techniques could not figure out why or what was going on with him or how to get him better. And then she got into frequency healing and how it got into sacred geometry. And that's why that episode resonated with her so much because it kind of spoke to her real life and resonating. with her son as well. And you'll hear her mention that her son is doing very well. Now these days is a teenager. They both enjoy listening to the show. So shout out to them as we begin this episode. But that was kind of the genesis behind this. And then we spoke behind the scenes for the past year

through email talking about some different, you know, I guess you could say downloads that she says that she was receiving when it came to physics and quantum level physics and mechanics and things that she could never understand herself. But this information, that she was receiving or uncovering. Maybe it was there the whole time. That's something that we'll get into. It's very interesting. It's very heady.

It's a little different when we start to talk about the consciousness level stuff here and how it connects to communication with otherworldly beings. How does that all connect? And I do think a lot of truth and maybe the ultimate truth lies within that state. And we explore that here today and how it all connects with Carolina Brown and her real life experiences with orb sightings and sightings of beings. And like we said, receiving these downloads of information. So we get into all of that here today, my conversation with Carolina Brown.

I hope you enjoy it. It's very, very compelling. And I think you'll find some very interesting tidbits in here that'll make you kind of scratch your head a little bit and think, huh, maybe there is something to all this. And that's what we'd like to try to do is get your thinking here on UAP. So we're going to do that and then come back, reflect a little bit on this, and get into what I mentioned to start off here, why this week is so big, the upcoming press conference that is going to be taking place on Tuesday, June 9th, on the steps of the Capitol Hill

with David Grush and many members of Congress. And I am going to be there to cover it. In fact, as I record this right now, I am getting ready to leave on my flight to D.C. in just a few hours. So without further ado, since I have a flight to catch here today, here is myself with Carolina Brown, and then come back for those thoughts on what's coming up there with the press conference. Very, very important event. coming up here in the next day or so right here on UAP enjoy and very cool looking forward to this one here uh Carolina Brown joining us here on UAP and you might think to yourself um I've never heard of Carolina Brown and that's actually exactly what I wanted because what I want to do

more often when I can and I said this at the beginning of the year and I'm doing it right now which is to bring on real life experiences and I'm excited for you to hear Carolina's story um so First of all, Carolina, thank you for taking the time and for taking the leap to come on here to UAP today. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. Yes. And so we actually met with a little bit of history here.

We met last year, contact in the desert 2025. Regrettably, I couldn't make it this year, but hopefully next year. But at that point, last year, you and I were talking and you had let me know that you listen to the show. you really enjoy listening to it with your son, and it's something that you guys enjoy doing together. And then you started telling me about your own experiences and things that happen in your life. So first off, to kind of start from the beginning,

what did happen? What kind of, what was your experience, your catalyst, that led you down the road that you're on now in being an experiencer? Okay. Well, I'm sure like a lot of people, it's been a pretty of a long unwinding path. But for me, it really centered around my son

because I would say for a long time, I was quite asleep, quite unconscious in some ways, just going through life, you know, like many of us do. But then my son, who is now doing absolutely brilliantly, was suffering from really complicated medical conditions that were frustratingly non-responsive to more traditional medical. medical treatments and it gets to a point where you are prepared to consider things that are

slightly more out of the box to be supportive because sometimes I find life has this way of almost breaking you down to this point where you become much, much more open to really what's right in front of you, what's really, really simple. And that led me to consider and look into energy healing practices for him. And I come from quite a medical background. so I was really unsure as to how this would really in any way be supportive other than just to feel nice for him. But as we started to explore that more and more, it was quite astonishing how quickly my son responded. And it wasn't just he was feeling better. Yes, of course he was, but we were actually seeing sort of improvements that we had never been able to easily access before with more traditional medical treatments. And so I took it upon myself at that time, I was so curious and so blown away that I started to train in it myself.

And I became a sacred geometry healer, which is part of what I do now. But during this process of working with these geometries, especially the sacred geometries, I noticed a huge uptake in what I would call a revision of my reality, if you like. So it started off with suddenly being inextricably drawn to go outside and look at the night sky. And that was something that me and my son loved to do. Still, we certainly loved to do it then, taking our dog for a walk, just seeing what was up there, and just noticing so much more. And then we started to notice that there were things up there that now, I guess, people would describe as orbs. or we would have a visual that would be responsive to what we were thinking.

Maybe that's the best way of putting it. I'm sort of trying to steer clear of sort of giving it too many labels. But yeah, so we would see a light in the sky and we would be focusing on it going, wow, what's that? And then we would notice that there was some type of engagement based on our level of excitement and our level of curiosity. And then I started getting the nudge, and this was one of the things that my son probably loved the best, was get out your phone and start recording.

And then it would be get out your phone and start recording even when I couldn't see anything. And sometimes those were the most exciting things for us that we would do exactly that. We would get out and start literally recording blank sky. And when we would go and look at the video afterwards, we would see what you would describe potentially as anomalies in there. And that then became more and more extensive. And my son started to actually have experiences in the home where he would reference that there was communication, there were beings,

and he had a far higher level of knowledge of what they were than what I did. And it kind of really sprang from there, but in a way that working with the energy piece, it removed a lot of the fear around it because I was a pretty type A regular, regular person up until all of this. And there was a certain piece that came from all of this, which was very beautiful. It's fascinating.

There's a lot there. that I want to follow up on, but I want to go back first to what you mentioned on sacred geometry. Now, that might be something that a lot of people, maybe they aren't familiar 100% with the term. And now, I'm fascinated by it because I did, I think, a two-part series on sacred geometry a few years back here on UAP. And that was something that, you know, I found very compelling when it came to, you know, 369, like Tesla spoke about, you know, the secrets of the universe, look at 3-6-9. and kind of the spiral shape and different shapes and how it all kind of goes back to the synchronicity with the galaxy and the universe as a whole.

So what did you kind of, you know, delve into and find out from sacred geometry that you ended up then realizing did connect you to or maybe opened up a door, some type of path to the UFO phenomenon, to these other beings? That's a great question. And I've got to say those episodes were one of my son's favorites. And he was like, come, he's talking about what you're studying.

And taking it sort of a step back, I sort of tend to look at it that sacred geometry, I describe it as the language of the universe. And then there's biogeometry, which is typically how we experience this on Earth. But you do see quite a bit of sacred geometry also reflected in, especially in nature here on Earth. The way it interacted with me is that it gave me a lot of mathematics. It showed me that everything is ratios, proportions, everything is frequencies. And I think when you start to engage with the geometries themselves, which I certainly did as part of the training that I did,

even just sitting there and looking at them and perhaps you might want to meditate with them, or sometimes just giving them your full conscious awareness, you can become quite quickly just you get to this sort of peaceful center within yourself. I call it my zero point. And I don't know how else to explain it other than a lot of information comes through. And you are just sitting there literally focusing on a piece. Take something like a spiral, for example.

My personal belief is that the vast majority of things that we observe in space time are spiral driven, especially plasma, which is really at the core of how I personally believe the universe works. As a communicator, as a geometry, it's infused into everything. And when you look at a spiral, it's the perpetual movement. And a lot of the math that we have today is based on logarithmic spirals. But what I personally, have been shown just with how the information has come through to me is that there is, of course, a mathematical place for that, but there is a more exponential type spiral, which has various different names, but if you look at more how an Archimedes spiral works, it has more of a breathability

to it and an expansion that does not require endless consumption of energy, such as logarithmic spirals. And that is just how I personally intuit into all of the connection that when you are working, for example, or even if you wanted to communicate with what we might call extraterrestrials, the frequency up there is so different to hear that it doesn't, in my personal opinion, require consumption and using of something else to create energy. It's this natural flow, which the geometries, if you allow yourself to connect with them, show you. Like that pathway is there. We just have to get off the exit and get on the road.

Exactly. And just be so open-minded because when I sort of work with people and I'm like, you can just look at it. They're like, how can't looking at something do anything? But it's just amazing the way that even just looking at the image, it can communicate with your biofield, because we are electromagnetic beings. and it's the implicit information coded in something that you literally could draw the sacred geometry. It's not having to look at a specific piece. Even just setting the intention to connect with it can have an incredibly meaningful effect on people. Make 2026 your year with Shopify.

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sacred geometry principles and, and how it all works with math and everything, of course, it almost seems like, and correct me from wrong, that maybe it opened up like this language barrier that was there with, with the universe and the inhabitants of the universe.

It opened up that door that allowed you to understand maybe how to communicate with them and open up that flow of information. Well, that sounds a really big thing to say when I hear you say that. But I'm like, hmm. Does that make sense or am I getting too deep? No, it does. But like, I guess what I always bring this back to is that it did. But what it showed me, especially as a lot of this was done with my son, who is incredible. incredibly creative, you know, even though he is now a teenager, he still has so much curiosity

and excitement that I think a lot of kids lose as they get older. And I think that's the key. Truly, anybody can do this. I am absolutely nobody special in any way, shape or form. What I chose to do was follow my excitement, like follow my son's infectious curiosity with all of this. And I think that is the key because you can, if you academically like, oh my goodness, let's look at Metatron's Cube and like, show me the answers to the universe. I mean, I'm sure you're going to get stuff for sure. But it's the frequency you experience in your observable reality is a direct reflection of the frequency that you are beaming out from your inner core. And as I mentioned before, we are electromagnetic or I actually believe electrophlasmic beings. And that is the interface

that comes online, but it comes through excitement and curiosity without necessarily having to attach to a specific outcome, which when you're being shown these things that really do defy reality is easier to do than you might think because you have no idea what's going on sometimes. And so it's really easy not to put stuff in a box and just go, okay, let's just flow with it and see where it goes. Right. So where would you put kind of some of your experiences or even with your son? you kind of mentioned a little while ago about, you know, having some type of information

downloads or seeing different beings. I mean, have you actually had experiences where you can, you can say you feel like you have had encounters with other beings? You and or your son? Yes. Yeah, I can. And I feel like so, so blessed because I was a natural skeptic, like a lot of of us are. And so the ability to be able to capture many of these on camera has been really

helpful with just reassuring me that this is really happening in some way, shape or form, even if I can't explain it. And so, I mean, it extends out to probably one of the most profound ones that I personally experienced was when my son was really, really, really sick. And I remember sitting in my house and just sitting there going, wow, how am I even in the situation? How is this happening? What am I going to do? And there was just, there was almost like this surrender. I'm trying to cry. It makes me really emotional now. You've been just thinking back on it. And I remember just sitting there just and everything almost went blank. I was like, wow, I'm out of everything. I'm out of options. Like this is crazy. Like I never don't have the next plan. But in that

minute I didn't. And then I heard this this nudge that I get, oh, just put up your camera and start videoing behind you. And I was like, I'm having a serious crisis right now. This is not the time to be videoing anything. But I was like, you know what? I actually haven't got any thoughts in my head right now. Why not? And I was just able to capture this beautiful ball of white light. And I'm not going to tell you what it was. I don't know what it was. But when I looked back afterwards, it was so peaceful, so loving and so humbling. And I kid you not, it was about three weeks later I signed up for the sacred geometry training that I have then pursued ever since then. And I didn't hear anything. It was just an observation. But that was the beginning of things becoming really quite

real in my day-to-day reality, if you like. I remember going on a trip to Zion Park in Utah and taking my dog out for a walk quite late. And we weren't in the park. We were just outside of the park. And again, pitch black, it's a little sketchy. And I'm like, what do you mean get out of my phone right now? This is not a good idea to get out an iPhone in the middle of nowhere by yourself at one in the morning. But I did. And I started just snapping pictures of the dark. And even as I saw the pictures coming up on the screen, I was like, oh my gosh. And there was like a whole row of beautiful light beings. I couldn't see them with my eyes. But when I looked at the picture, they were there. And the frequency that just came off, the picture was incredible. There was another time when I was out,

who was walking the dog, taking my son out and one of our dogs for a walk? And he's like, just take a picture, Mum, you'll see. And there was this, I don't even know what you'd call it. It kind of looked like a seahorse dragon thing, but it was clear as day in the picture. And it was there. And so we've had experiences like that. We've had lots of kind of orb shows in the back garden where I'll get a nudge to get out of bed and start recording, usually at about one or two in the morning. And they're just there, just doing their thing. And the only thing I can connect with that is that I don't pretend to understand how this works. I really don't. But I really don't. But I feel that we all have this implicit frequency in ourselves to know ourselves better and to

potentially know that we are more than perhaps we are told that we are. And I mean, this obviously aligns with a lot of the training I did in sacred geometry and just trying to understand maybe more from a spiritual science perspective, different, different ideas. But I feel that all these experiences just opened up my energetic field to be being so much more present, so much more receptive to these things. And the more open I was, the more I wanted to engage. And I, and I did it through more playful excitement than through anything fear-based. And initially, there was fear at the beginning. Don't get me wrong. I thought I was losing my mind at the beginning. Actually, until I found stuff at your podcast and I'm like maybe I'm not so crazy but yeah like it was it was pretty

humbling but in such a beautiful way and that ultimately led to both um me and my son remembering what you have not learned and this is something I try and share with people now is everything is stored in the fields and when you get to a certain internal frequency um which everybody has the capacity to do you. so, you're just able to connect with, I personally think what you need at the point in your journey, wherever you are at in your life. And that's exciting and that's really liberating. And there was never any fear around it because it felt healing and peaceful. And I think maybe you might find quite a few experiences who share similar experiences to that, this communication, because it's

communicating at a harmonic level with our electro-weptuble. plasmic fields rather than with words that we would necessarily understand but our body can read the vibrations of the noises that we're making. Yeah, and I think maybe some people would, you know, kind of refer to that as some type of telepathy and maybe that's another word for it because we always hear about, you know, this communication with abductees or experiencers where they say, I heard them in my head and I spoke back without using any words. So it could be, you know, the same type of, you know, frequencies or vibrations, this light that you're talking about. And so it's, it's interesting to make that connection, actually. And you talk about seeing these light beings in the pictures,

which I would love to see, by the way. So if you wouldn't mind, absolutely, I would share those pictures for you send them to me. It's fascinating to hear. So with that said, though, so are you guys typically seeing like full-bodied light beings? Or is it kind of come up as like a ball of light? How does it typically happen? I think it can be different for everyone. My personal experience has been, I've seen these light beings that, I don't know if they were full body.

You'll see when you see the picture. They are these segments of light. I don't see the images like we see in the movies of a tall, full humanoid, light being. I've never personally had that experience. My son has had different. experiences where his frequency is so high that I think he just naturally sees more than I do. And so I'm always really careful just to listen with an open mind and not trying to apply a label

that I've heard about, oh, could this be this, could this be that? He will usually tell me what it is. But no, most of mine have been centered around seeing balls of light, whether it's in the sky, sort of what I would call potentially a plasmoid or a plasma being. I actually just got back quite recently from Joshua Tree, and we had the privilege of watching a show for maybe 45 minutes of these beings just constantly beaming in and out. And they're up in the sky.

And I was able to record a little tiny bit of that. And I'm, of course, I'm happy to send that to you too. But the message on that trip was, could we just be pressing and, like, not be videoing this? you're meant to just be just feeling into this because it's so magical. It calms the nervous system in a way that I can't possibly really explain. But yeah, most of mine have been sort of more what you would say, orb-based experiences.

I do believe that sacred geometry is obviously the, in my personal opinion, the structure of the known universe, but it also communicates through another medium as well. It's not just the geometry. The geometry is the scaffolding, but then there has to be this flow that comes through it, the spiral, as we touched upon earlier. And I believe that my personal experience has shown me

that there is a definite connection to this spiral energy and to plasma, which you can see reflected in quantum physics through berthling currents. There are many, many different types of plasma beyond what the vast majority of science will tell you that there is. And the important thing about plasma is that it's pretty neutral as a carrier force. And so as a lot of these,

or plasmoids or whatever we wish to call them, I personally believe are plasmic beings of some description or plasmic vehicles or, again, whatever you choose to call it, they naturally are a mirror to us of what we are feeling inside. The power is always within us. And it's most simple. Right. We are, what we experience out here is, like I said, it's a reflection of what we are feeling inside and we're not separate from the experience we are the experience you know i think what happens is we just get caught up in the everyday distractions and that's you know that's that's that's kind of just how it goes for a lot of people myself included we always get caught up by my gosh i teach this and i still do of course it's all human that's the point yeah it's you know

it's it's the human experience um i do want to ask you kind of about the information downloads but there is something that I want to ask you as well, which is just in the beings themselves, there's so much talk now as this hits the mainstream more and more, the conversation surrounding extraterrestrials. And, you know, the conversation comes out about the different types of beings that might have visited Earth, might be on Earth, might even, you know, just exist, whether it's the grays or the Nordics, reptilians, insectoids, and so many more. Do you feel in your experience, Carolina, that there are indeed multiple beings, but

you're just having an experience with some type of light plasma being, or have you experienced anything else besides those? That's a great question. I haven't. Like I said, it's a bit like my light language. It just comes through as it is. I haven't experienced, like some people have, oh, that is a gray or their perception of,

whatever it is. I, you know, I think people typically know, but I think these experiences that I had made it easier for me to then understand, which probably leads to where you were going next about the information downloads. Yeah. Because having the experiences I had, I think, triggered, I'm just going to call it like a remembrance in me of a calmness that when I become aware that there's information that's about to come through, I can just go to a very peaceful still place inside of myself and just allow it to flow through me and not think about it, not judge it, but at the same time, I do always apply a pretty hefty level of discernment because I think you have to be really discerning and know that you, nothing can happen to you

without your express permission. Yeah, it's interesting because, you know, I wonder, like, what type of information, right? So what type of information is coming in to you or to your son? Like, when you experience it and then you kind of get to reflect on it and you think, oh, okay, I don't know how I know this, but I know this now. Like, what types of things are those? When I started to have more of the, the orb experiences, if you like, I would suddenly start to remember more data-based, I mean, sort of factual information. And I would find myself getting into a

very quiet place, typically with one of my energy partners who I do a lot of work with. And when it was, it's fascinating, when we would be working together, it was almost like it was a key in a lock. And this information would come through, which is part of the things that I've sent to you. in terms of physics, for example. Yeah, I mean, when I was reading through some of the things you sent me, I mean, quite frankly, it just came across as like, you know, like quantum physics of some sort. I mean, is there any way that you would know some of that information?

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And then we know it. But what I realize about this information is that, for example, to your point, yeah, quantum physics, I would suddenly find myself like writing down equations in using letters and symbols and fractions. And yeah, I did math at school. Like we all did. And I actually did work in finance for a very long time. But not in this capacity. in a more regular capacity, if you like.

But what blew my mind is I would write these things down and then I would have a nudge as to what it was to do with. And then that would be that. And then I would start going, initially I didn't do too much with them. I just was like, wow, that's so cool. And then I wasn't the only one that was experiencing things like this. And so me and my group, we would start to research things and go, oh my gosh, there is something to this.

And this is where I know it's a mixed blessing and I know a lot of people have a lot of different opinions on AI. But that is where it has been very helpful because even with the internet, you kind of do need to know the vague scope of what you're asking. And so what I tend to notice about my downloads is that they show me patterns. And the more I work in this space,

the more I just connect with the energy of what is coming through when it comes through. I don't know how to say it. I can connect so many dots, but I don't know how I can connect it. That's how I was able to, in some way, begin to understand

the downloads that I sent you on that paper that I put together because it will be supremely advanced quantum physics concepts. And that's where the humanness comes into it in that I can write these things down. And I'm always incredibly honest. about it. I know what I'm trying to say. I know that I might get a download saying, okay, so I just

was given this frequency. That is a type of super high dimensional plasmic hertz frequency. Or I think I was writing to you about petterhertz. And I was like, what's a petterhertz? And that is something that's so out there in astrophysics, like very, very removed from most people's regular reality. But then I'd be like, wow, well, I think that connects to solar flares and plasma the packets. And I won't necessarily understand as why I know and why I can connect all these dots, but when I can put in all the inputs, there is a coherence that you can see when you then put it into something that can look at the hole of information that is available at this time and draw conclusions. And even with that, I was supremely skeptical because I know that,

I mean, typically most AIs are programmed to be very supportive and tell you what you want to hear, which isn't terribly helpful if you're trying to be really discerning about something. And so what I would do is I figured out how to push back on absolutely everything and go know the right prompts to put in to go, don't tell me what I want to hear. It's not quite like this, but don't tell me what I want to hear. I only want to hear the observable, like, facts as you see them, appreciate that they might not actually be documented yet,

but with the science and the math that is available that we do know, is this a theoretical, plausible scenario that I have found? And I would do that, and then I would get my answers. And I wasn't always 100% on point. Sometimes I had to work on it a little bit. But then I would run it through multiple different AIs and just double check, double check. And after a while, we all started to realize, wow, there's something to this.

So you're getting this information that is just way beyond our understanding, but it's somehow you're understanding it, you're putting it out there, you're showing the calculations, and it's just happening. It is, but it's not for me to then take forward. It's not like I am suddenly, you know, a physicist, obviously. Why do you think it was happening, Caroline? I mean, do you think it's some type of information that you're supposed to use for something? I think it's to be shared.

I think it's actually, honestly, I am the most normal person in some ways. don't sound maybe not normal on this podcast, but genuinely I'm a pretty normal person. And I think genuinely this information comes as a really good example that this could happen to anyone. It's not about you then going into your ego and going, oh, I am this. I mean, you can be whatever you want to be, right? But my objective is, wow, I've got some information that's pretty mind-blowing. I just want to share it. And then someone that actually is in this space that does have the availability to look into it in more detail and work out,

hey, could this be useful? That's what I see it as. I am like a bridge or a conduit to share information. We are all part of a bigger one is really what they were. They were trying to share. But with that comes so much love, so much support that if we could just get out of our own way and be present and connect with our inner knowing and trust ourselves, life would be measurably easier.

When you said they want us to know that, who do you think they were? How do we define that? That is an excellent question. Because this is where the discernment was kicking in big time. Is it definable or is it just kind of like this energy, this being, this plasma energy? I mean, I don't know how you would describe it. The best way I can describe it was what I visually experienced, which was they were light beings. And is it a higher aspect of us, of humanity coming to share?

share with us a perspective because everything is always like the angle from which you observe something from in mathematics, in physics, in reality is the perception of it you're going to get. And so maybe they were giving us a higher level perspective that we could then sit with because, you know, this is the reason you do what you do, right? Because things are changing. And but all I got was that be, be in your truth, be in the moment, be in love, be in trust, know that you are all the totality of everything. And in that knowing, just be present and in love and not in fear. I mean, that's pretty good advice, regardless of anything.

Yeah. We talk about, you know, downloads. And I think that's a term that's used a lot over the years and over the decades when it comes to, you know, receiving a download of information. But my thought is, and I want to get your take on this before we're done, is are we using, do you think we're using the right word? with download? Because when we hear it download, we think of we are bringing in information from somewhere else and now it's coming to us, right? Or an exchange of information. Or do you think rather it's the information's already there and now we're aware to it? Yes. I think you have answered your own question. And is this like the Akashic record? You know, we heard about the like

the information is there, you know, in a very rough term, it kind of floats over ahead, you know, thinking of like the cloud. And maybe that's what this is. Yes. I mean, it has many different names, but yet the field, the quantum field is all around us all of the time. And I think when we are able to raise our own vibration, going back to what you said at the very beginning, about frequency, vibration and energy, when we're able to,

to raise our own internal frequency, when we're able to raise our own vibration, when we're able to operate in the highest frequency as when you are looking at frequency of consciousness, is, I believe, the frequency of authenticity. So it is even higher than the frequency of love, according to those that study it, and who I'm quite sure know infinitely more than I do. And when you're able to get into that frequency when you are having an encounter perhaps with a being who is actually of a higher dimensional frequency than ourselves, obviously, and they are a light being, they are not even able to crystallize into a physical body because their own internal frequency is so high and then they are interacting or interfacing in some way with us. And I personally believe from

the way I've received information that the electromagnetic field that we all emit through our heart field and the fact that we do have plasma in our bodies. It is not the same plasma as, of course, you know, is discussed in astro or quantum physics, but it is a substrate of the broader hole of plasma. And I get a lot of pushback from this on, on some side, from some scientists, but there are more and more scientists that are realizing that, we're not realizing that, I mean, they're actually confirming and I'm just like, wow, we're getting the same thing, that, plasma is the key to all of this because it is the communication device. It's the key that allows you as an energetic being, in my personal opinion, to interface with these other higher dimensional frequencies and potentially access the information in the field around us.

Trying to tie back to what you were saying. I mean, that's how I experience it personally. And that's, you know, I truly believe, that's why I call it, you know, remembering what you have never. learned. Fascinating. So, yeah, it's, I don't know, but I'm not the only one. There's many people experiencing alongside me. And I think it's kind of exciting. It's a new way to learn. It's just, it's a new thing to be excited about. And I'm quite sure this won't be for everyone. And that is okay. I no longer believe there has to be any one way. If this resonates with people, that's amazing. If it doesn't, I totally get that as well. It's just been my experience.

It's my perspective. But I have witnessed how it changed my family's life. I can't deny that. I have witnessed how the mathematics and stuff that comes through does appear to have a basis in plausible and theoretical reality. So I think that's exciting. Yeah. And on that note, actually, to close out, thinking about all of your experiences over the time now and kind of this knowledge that you've been able to,

kind of gain or walk into or remember however we want to put it where do you kind of see yourself now Carolina you your son your family where do you see yourself now where you are with this practice that you've been able to put into use how would you describe how things are now for you gosh that is a very good question very different to how I ever could have imagined this has changed my life beyond all recognition. It is completely changed what I choose to focus all my time on. I've, you know, what I am beginning to build this out as my full-time work because, yes, I do my energy healing, which I absolutely love to do. And I love to share my sort of thoughts and perspectives on that with people. But this deep interest in trying to better understand consciousness and how it

connects all of us and how it can help all of us. If we can connect with our own innate intelligence within, you know, which is deeply inside of each and every one of us. And everyone has access to that. That is probably what I would like to spend the rest of my life focusing on sharing this perspective, if it resonates with people, to help empower people more. It's because it's not about having to go into a course or this or that. It's about knowing we have everything we need already within us? When it comes to disclosure and you know we always focus on okay what are the craft or what are the beings and all these different things but when it comes down to it do you think that's where this all leads the road the ultimate road of disclosure leads to this understanding

of it boils down to consciousness it boils down to this knowing this this lost knowledge that is just there for us for the taking to become higher beings through math and sacred geometry and and frequencies and just having this knowledge of this higher calling. Is that the crux of disclosure, do you think? Wow. We got deep here today, I know. We did. Well, I think that's a huge part of it.

I think it is probably so much more complex at a exo-politics level than I particularly want to go to. I mean, I don't really spend much of my time studying so much of that side, although I know it's a very real phenomenon, there is definitely a deeply personal part of this for each and every person that connects with it. And my personal thing, and I put this on a lot of my posts, because this is truly how I believe it,

and this includes everybody. If they're open to receive it, that as humans, I believe that fundamentally, and my son will say this too, that we are all pure love, we are all pure light, and we are all divine intelligence having a human experience. And knowing that from some of our deepest tragedies can come up biggest purpose. And I would say that has been my experience. If I had to sum up in one sentence from the most challenging thing I have ever experienced in my life,

which was, you know, a sick family member, specifically my child, really sitting in the honesty of what that felt like to feel so powerless. Yeah. And like, go to what we did. And then being able to see how that is alchemized into the great place that he's in now, which is really all that matters. And it's given me this purpose. I think my story is not uncommon.

I think a lot of people have experienced some version of this. And yeah, that's where it's left me to now. And I would like to share that with people because sometimes we think our traumas are super, you know, we see them for what they are rather than where they could take us. Yeah, very good. This has really been fascinating, Carolina. Thanks so much for taking all the time to do it here today. If people want to continue to follow you or get your thoughts, maybe connect with you over social media,

how can they find you if you don't mind giving out any of that? No, for sure. Probably one of the easiest ways is on my TikTok channel, which is the Frequency Codex. I have a website as well, the frequency codex. I try and explain it to. But yeah, I'm mainly to be found on TikTok, sharing my thoughts on the universe with anyone open to lessons. So, yeah. Now, again, this has been great.

And I think it's been, you know, thought-provoking if it may be the best way to put it, just to kind of consider all these things. And it's been so great to talk to you. Finally, after, you know, all this time, we spoke about this last year. Like I said, at the beginning when we met a contact in the desert, maybe trying to do this at some point. So I'm glad it's come full circle here today. a year later to be able to have this discussion, put out your story, and let it resonate with people, however it may resonate. So thank you so much, Carolina, for doing this. Well, I'm incredibly grateful to have the opportunity to do this. And I thank you for being open-minded enough

to consider this, because there are so many truths, right? And so I just really appreciate the opportunity to share my perspective. And my only goal is, I hope this connects with someone somewhere, If it connects with just one person and helps them explain something that they couldn't explain in themselves or gives them a perspective that they can then take forward, then it's always worth it for me from that perspective. It's, yeah, thank you so much. Absolutely. Caroline, thanks so much here today on UAP. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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that in itself is a massive paradigm shift for humanity. But when then, when you start to go forward and really dig deep, which is why I ask those questions there at the end about, you know, is this kind of the crux of disclosure when we boil down to its simplest form? I believe when you get to the top of the pyramid, no pun intended with all this conversation, when you get to the top of the pyramid of disclosure, at that tippy top, it comes down to consciousness. And that is what I think, you know, even government entities and science. scientists over the years, maybe I've had a hard time understanding and how to boil it down when it

comes to the extraterrestrial phenomenon. How can we connect using our own consciousness to this otherworldly entity, to this, you know, this reality that is out there? How can we connect to that? Do we have this innate ability to connect to it? And we've heard stories like that before. And I've spoken to some people on here before who say the answer is, yes, we do have that innate ability. And maybe that is the case with even what Carolina Brown has said here. And I'm really happy, like I said, to do some real-life experiencers. I do want to do that more in the future when the opportunity presents itself. I will continue to do that here on UAP. But, you know, some very interesting things to take away from. You know, like we said, when it comes to the

physical downloads, the messages, right? Are these realizations of a lost knowledge or a knowledge that's been there for all of our lives and we just haven't connected to it yet. You know, maybe we forgot how to connect to it. Maybe in the past we did have that consciousness connection. But over time, through our evolution and society evolves, maybe we forgot how to do that and we forgot that that connection exists. It's possible, I suppose. Why not, right?

Why shouldn't we consider that? Or is this really a download of information? Not only like we've heard from Carolina in this episode, but from other abductees, not saying that Carolina is an abductee, but we've heard of a lot of, but we've heard of other experiencers or contactees who say that they receive these downloads of information. And so again, it begs the question. Maybe it's a little bit of both. Maybe it is downloads versus other people maybe just having this realization of knowledge

that's always been there. But we didn't have that consciousness connection until they reached that level. Something wakes it up. And a lot of people say they have experienced that, including Carolina herself. So again, very, very intriguing to consider. that there's this whole reality out there that is just waiting for us to connect to. I find that extremely compelling and intriguing

to consider that maybe that's out there and we can all do it. We just had to figure out how that is done. I don't know. Maybe there really is something to this. And maybe that is kind of the, when you boil down to a disclosure, maybe that's what it comes down to.

Ultimately, it's consciousness. And so how does that connect? And maybe when we say the consciousness, just this final thought on it, Maybe that's just the soul, right? Maybe that's our soul is, when we say consciousness, it's just that soul awareness, our eternal spirit, so to speak, not to get theological here, but that that's our eternal spirit of the soul.

Maybe that knowing is all part of our soul being where we have this eternal knowledge inside of us, but our physical form has trouble connected to it because we're so darned distracted with everyday life. and some people have been able to connect. Some people learn how to, you know, use techniques to be able to do that like Carolina was talking about, whether it's through sacred geometry, through frequencies, or whatever it may be. You know, these things, these ways of connecting are seemingly out there. And credit to Carolina for having enough courage to come out and say, yeah, I'm experiencing these things.

Maybe you think I'm crazy, but this is my story. Make it what you will. And that's what we're all about here on UAP. Make it what you will. But I love having these conversations of bringing them to you. And it's something to consider without a doubt. And how will that connect to the ultimate disclosure, right? Again, more than just aliens are real, the basic disclosure.

We have craft. They're real. We've recovered stuff. You know, it goes deeper into things like that. So will we get the answers that we're looking for? Well, that kind of connects us to what is happening tomorrow, why I'm about to get on a plane here and fly out to D.C. as we speak, to cover this press conference that is taking place.

This is going to be a massive week for a UFO disclosure push, not only with the press conference, which I'll explain more in a second here, but also for Disclosure Day, quite literally, on the movie of the Steven Spielberg movie coming out at the end of this week here on Friday, June 12th. That's going to, I think, help, you know, when it comes to consciousness,

I think that does delve into it a little bit in that movie. That's going to help, I think, maybe bridge the gap a little bit for people, who are still looking for answers on this. And entertainment certainly does help to open up the mind a little bit when it comes to people trying to, you know, maybe find out some more information. And when they see this movie,

I think it's going to make people very curious to think, is there more to this? And I think that's a good thing. But also connecting it with the press conference that's going to happen here on Tuesday, the 9th, David Grush, Eric Burleson, Annapalina Luna, Timberchette, Jared Moskowitz, You know, a lot of the big names that have been involved with this on the congressional side.

And of course, with David Grush himself, someone who hasn't spoken in front of the country since his congressional hearing three years ago, almost to the date the summer of 2023, where he went under oath and answered questions saying that we have recovered craft and we have recovered biologics. It's a very famous clip. It's a very famous moment in disclosure history where he said that under oath. and people look back to that and rightfully so because it was a really, really stark moment to remember where someone of his stature, who's, you know, worked in the Air Force, worked in the programs, had connections to the legacy programs to come out and say that under penalty of perjury was a very big deal. and now for the first time since that day, he is coming out to speak in front of Congress again, albeit outside on the steps of Capitol Hill with congressional members behind him from the UAP caucus, the names that I mentioned. It may be some that we're not even aware of yet.

There are rumors obviously we'll know as we listen back to this after the press conference, but as we speak now beforehand, there are rumors that Senator Chuck Schumer might be involved with this as well. And that remains to be seen. But of course, he's been a big name with the UFO Disclosure Push, given the Schumer Rounds, the bipartisan bill with Senator Rounds as well, where they were trying to push for the UAP Disclosure Act. Now, one of the big things that's going to happen from this press conference is the push for whistleblower protection. Reportedly, David Grush is going to directly kind of petition towards President Trump to push forward some type of legislation or maybe even an executive order. Who knows, for not only UAP disclosure, but for whistle.

a blower protection so that more people like himself, like David Grush, more people like Matthew Brown, more people like Dylan Borland or Jeff Nusatelli or all the, you know, Luelizondo, all these different people that have come out over the years at hearings or whatnot or even outside of hearings. Like Roderick Castle is a name that I think some people forget. Where he was on here on the show, he only did two shows, myself and UAP Gerb. If you don't remember his story, he came out and said that he was witness to it. triangle craft flying overhead in his marine base outside of 29

Palms back in 1997, I think like a week before the Phoenix Lights. And so, you know, again, that's another thing. You know, he came out in name to speak on those things. And again, a couple of interviews and a couple of different things publicly. But there's so many people that want to come out. You know, I remember speaking with Eric Burleson here on the show last year. And he said that there is at least 50 or 60 or 60 people waiting in the wings that want to come out, whistleblowers, people with direct

knowledge from the programs and military witnesses who want to come out and speak but are afraid of, you know, getting under the microscope, having their lives ruined, quite frankly, or maybe getting disappeared for one way or another. Look at Anthony Williams. I mean, there's a perfect example right here on the show. Anthony Williams is somebody, that's an assumed name. That's a pseudonym. He goes by that name because he doesn't want to use his real name for a few of

retribution from the federal government. I know for a fact that he would love to come out in name and say exactly who he is and what he knows over the years. He's only been able to reveal so much here on the show of all the things he's been able to reveal, which was a lot that he was at least allowed to say under an assumed name, I know there's more that he wants to put out there. Anthony Williams would love to come on here one day and say who he really is and what he knows 100%.

but that's why we need to pass, you know, guys like him, they know it's at stake. They want to come out and say what's happened, what they know, but they also know that if they do that, they're at risk of having their lives ruined or being killed, quite frankly. I mean, I know it sounds dramatic, but let's look back at some of the things that we've heard about. Just a few weeks ago with Lou Elizondo right here talking about the man, you know, we've talked about Matthew Sullivan. We talked about Kevin Childress, who was found dead by his wife when he was about to go up in front of Congress and speak privately to them five years ago.

And all of a sudden he's found dead on the couch. We had Jeff Nusateli on here talking about how his house was broken into, how he was threatened to his face. He and Dylan Borland threatened to their faces leading up to their congressional testimony in September of 25. I mean, these are really things that happen. And this is why so many people don't come out that want to come out and why it's so incredible for guys who have come out to risk it all,

even in the face of danger or having their pensions taken away or their lives ruined or being blackballed. They still come out to say what they know and what they want people to know about. And that's why this event coming up on Tuesday the 9th, 1 o'clock on the steps of Capitol Hill, David Grush and all the names I mentioned behind him are going to be speaking to have this big moment. This is a big moment. Now, what comes from it, I don't know. But this is going to be the biggest push for federal legislation, for federal disclosure, from the office of the president,

the biggest push toward that that we have seen two dates, maybe even bigger than the hearings. As big as the hearings were, in getting this out there more in the public eye and getting national media attention, I think this might even have a bigger impact on it because you have this kind of unifying moment.

This is really the only bipartisan thing in D.C. Is UFO disclosure, or maybe pay raises in Congress. Maybe that's the other bipartisan thing. but there aren't many and this is one of them where you have a bipartisan push for something and that's what you know makes this such a unifying factor when it comes to Congress trying to push this stuff through so it's going to be a big moment it's going to be very interesting to see what happens after it how much attention does this get as soon as it's over and how much of it will the president hear you know will this message get to his desk there's reports and i do want to ask eric burleson about this and hopefully i get the chance to get in front of him while i'm there that he is working with one of the president's closest advisors, Stephen Miller, about, you know, what it's going to take, what they need to do when it comes to UFO disclosure from the office of the president. So there's a lot riding on this moment. Tuesday, the 9th at Capitol Hill, 1 p.m.

And I am going to be there to bring it to you. I will be live tweeting this. I will be taking video. I will be taking pictures, hopefully getting interviews, asking questions, and bringing as much answers and content to you that I can. live in the moment. So make sure you're following along on social media at UA Podcast 850 on the social media channels, TikTok, YouTube, of course, Twitter and Instagram at UA Podcast 850. I will have the updates on there on social media as we go along covering this big moment from DC. And then I'll come back here to do an episode of UAP kind of recapping what happened,

bring back as much content as I possibly can, and then talk about the ramifications of Where do we go from here? Because again, I really do believe that there's going to be a lot of eyes and ears. I know for a fact, because for my media credentials for this, I had to apply for credentials, that there are over 20 different news organizations. Not independent guys, you know, you know, just podcasters coming out there. It's not only that. We're talking news organizations that have applied to cover this event.

So there's going to be a lot of eyes on this. And I'm very excited to get on the plane here in just a little while, maybe by by the time you hear this, I'm already in D.C. or on the plane to cover this event as it happens, and hopefully you'll follow along as it's happening. And then after it happens, as I come back, to give you the download of information that I received from this event as it takes place. Now, we also don't know what David Grush is going to say about any new information. These are all just rumors and speculation that he might reveal some type of new information that will grab the attention more of other lawmakers and of the president himself.

and those around him to try to pay attention to this more. So there might be some new information coming out from David Grush as well that he wants to present in order to, you know, again, put more eyes, get more ears on this subject to push forward the disclosure agenda as well. So that's also something that could be riding on the line here that makes this, you know, possibly really big moment here this week. Big stuff, big stuff as we push forward to try to make this all happen for UFO disclosure.

And it's my honor to be a part of it to try to cover it and to put out the word. It's my honor to do that for you. But with all that being said, I do need to get going here. So make sure you follow along wherever you get your podcasts on Spotify and Apple and any of the major podcasting platforms. Just search UAP. And you will find that.

I gave you the social media outlets there at UA Podcast 850. Search UAP podcast on YouTube. You can follow along. And if you haven't rated the show, I do appreciate those five stars. Wherever you get your podcasts, that's always appreciated as well. But thank you again to Carolina Brown. I really enjoyed this discussion, getting back to the actual episode. And I hope you found it compelling as well and thought-provoking on a lot of the things that we covered here. Coming up on the show as well, Simon Brown, an author who's written a very, very intriguing book. I'm looking forward to talking about here, actually, talking about a lot of things when it comes to abductions, contactees, missing time, hybrids. I mean, this guy has written it all. And he's out of the UK. So I'm looking forward to bringing Simon Brown here on the show. And I think you're really going to enjoy that interview as well.

And a lot more coming up here on UAP. So make sure you continue, like I said, to follow along social media and where we get your podcast. But I got to get to the airport. So hope you enjoyed this one and keep track here of the show. And I'll be back to talk to you again soon. So on that note, again, it's Stephen Dean here here saying thank you again so much for everything and for all the support, for all the kind messages.

I really do appreciate it. So until next time, it is. Stephen Deiner here is saying, be well. Thanks so much. Talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.