UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 212 Is it All Connected? Commonalities in Abduction Accounts

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Stephen Diener speaks with Simon Bown, an author who has put together a massively comprehensive collection of first hand experiencer and alien abduction accounts. The synchronicities in these stories became very apparent the deeper we got. Listen as they try to crack the case of abductions...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, welcome back into UAP for episode number 212. Stephen Dean are back with you here as always on the Unidentified Alien podcast. And happy to be back here again and actually kind of diving into some of the more classic themes here of UAP. And of course, that doesn't mean everything else that's happening when it comes to disclosure and, you know, the conversation surrounding that in some of the most inner circles. of DC and elsewhere. Of course, that is important as well. But I do want to kind of shift focus a little bit just for today, or maybe not necessarily just for today.

I try to juggle the two when I can because I try to get this thing from all angles. And for today, I do want to go back to some of those original stories, the original themes here of UAP, which is trying to, you know, really uncover the mysteries of this phenomenon, looking into the abduction cases, looking into the sightings, the experiencer accounts. And I got to do that with an author and a podcaster himself and also a hypnotist, Simon Bown. And I'm actually, I was excited for the fact that he is a, you know, practicing hypnotist who has done regression therapies before because I did get to ask him about some of those regression therapies and cases that he's worked on,

with abduction experiencers. So Simon Bound here all the way from England. He was kind enough to join, reached out, and I saw what he was doing. I saw what he was working on. And I said, yeah, let's do it. I think you're a perfect fit for a conversation here on UAP. And that's what we're going to do. We really get into these, you know, kind of back down to the nitty-gritty of the phenomenon,

getting into the experiencer stories, getting into what people say when they are experiencing abductions, really start. artling things and the marks that are left behind. Of course, you know, semblances of some type of implants or foreign objects left in their body, these little, you know, metal pieces of hardware, which, of course, goes back to many stories of people saying that they have implants, mailing abduction, probably the most, you know, prominent of all coming from Whitley Streber, who will show just about anybody who asks the implant behind his ear.

And I've seen it. So, I mean, you can't, you know, there's a bump back there. And he says that is the implants that was put in him way back when. So, but that's a whole different story. And I'll try to get Whitley on here to discuss that one day, but not to go too far off subject. But that's just an example, right? Someone that is prominent in the field.

And his story is similar. There's a lot of commonalities. Hence today's title, commonalities and all these stories. And, you know, how is this all connected? whether it's Whitley Streber or someone that you don't even know. They all experience something similar. And especially when it comes to how the ETs present themselves, you're going to hear about that as well and how they don't actually show their true form sometimes. They appear as maybe something else, a human, an object, an animal, something that is non-threatening to the subject that they are coming to.

And so that's a really interesting part of the conversation that I get into here with Simon. And of course, just overall these commonalities behind the experiences and the abductions. And there is a story in here I do want to put out there that is kind of disturbing. We touch on it a little bit about kind of like a group of children. And what one experience you said that she experienced when she was a child and had to go through this maze with other children. And so just, you know, as far as a heads up there, you'll know when you get there and we start talking about that. It's a little disturbing. And it's one of those stories that when I heard it, I was like, well, hopefully that's not true.

So this, you know, some of it is heavy. We really do get into the nitty gritty of this discussion, which is important to come back to when we can. And that's exactly what we do here. So we're going to reflect on that after we're done. But for now, here is my conversation with. author, researcher, podcaster, hypnotist, a man of all trades here. It's Simon Bown right now on UAP. Enjoy.

Simon, thanks so much for coming on here to the show. I'm looking forward to talking about your book here. Yeah, I'm looking forward to talking to it as well. It's great to talk to you. Yeah, absolutely. And I appreciate you reaching out to me because it does happen sometimes where, you know, I'll have some different people reach out to me and say, hey, I think it might have something interesting to discuss with you, Stephen.

And sometimes it works. And other times I'm like, well, you know, we'll see it. we'll keep in the back of our mind, but when I saw what you were writing about, which is, you know, sightings, childhood abductions,

hybrids, and just overall the, the strangeness and the mystery surrounding the UAP topic, I thought, well, this seems like a match made in heaven. It's aspects of alien abduction,

shocking UFO encounters, Volume 1 is the book. So I'm glad to be able to talk to you about it. So just right off the back, Simon, what kind of inspired you to see, it down because a lot of people have the idea, right? Let me just let's be frank about it. A lot of

people have an idea for a book. And a lot of people think, oh, this is going to be, you know, my idea is the bestseller. My idea is going to be the next big thing. And a lot of times, more often than not, what ends up happening is, is that idea ends up sitting in the back of our head, and we never do anything with it. We get caught up with life and it just goes by the wayside. But you actually sat down to do it, and you put pen to paper. So what kind of brought you to that point where it was that ultimate inspiration to say, I need to get this stuff. down on paper. Well, I've always had a fascination with this, even from when I was 10 years old, which

back's 1975, there wasn't so much about alien abduction, but it was UFO stuff. And so over the years, I read more and more books, particularly, you know, coming up to the 80s and the 90s and there's Whitley Streber and Travis Walton and these guys like Bud Hopkins and David Jacobs and John Mack. And I always wanted to write a book on this, but I just couldn't find a way to do it. And after I started my podcast, which the Alien UFO podcast, I found that I was gravitating more or more towards people who've had personal experiences rather than, say, talking about Roswell or disclosure or other things like that.

And because I was so fascinated by it, I got to a point where I've had maybe six, six, 60 guests who experiences. So I thought we could look at the different aspects of what people are reporting. And I can use the transcripts from my episodes so that we get that person's voice into the chapter and them describing what happened. Right. So it's that thing where every single person in the book I have talked to and I've asked them about their experiences. And I think that's useful. and it built up and I got maybe 20 aspects together

and I looked at the book and it was 200,000 words. Wow. And I thought that's just too much for one book. So the one I've put out now is aspects of alien deduction is volume one. So volume two will be early next year, I hope. Okay, cool. Very good. And I'm curious to kind of get your analysis on the commonalities

because in the interviews that I've done with people who said, you know, they're experiencers, whether it's abduction or contact or just sightings and they feel like they get a message, I always find some type of commonality in their stories. And even going back, if you look at some of the more famous stories, you can find commonalities of people who never, you know, were related to each other as different timeframes, it's different parts of the world. But there's usually some type of commonality to what they're saying. So did you find those little synchronicities as well?

So what caught your eye the most? Yeah, well, that's the thing of the book. It's the aspect. So each chapter is focused around one of those commonalities, one of those things that's consistent that people tell over and over. And ones that I really like reading about or writing about was high strangeness and also missing time and screen memories. But there's other stuff there that comes up over and over.

So it's like if there's a chapter about screen memories, I write a bit about the memories. And then there's a whole load of transcripts from people describing their screen memory experience. And you can see it builds up how consistent it is and how common it is. And if you listen to lots of interviews with people or read their books, you get the whole story. And so then you move on to the next one, you get the whole story. But this way you don't get the whole story in that chapter. You just get their screen image, their screen memory story. So that can kind of impress upon you just how common it is and how the grays use it.

It's like a way to calm humans down in a way because you see something that's not as scary as a gray. And you can't blame them for trying to calm down these crazy aggressive humans. So what is, yeah, what is? or I should say how would you describe a screen memory for anybody who's not familiar with the term? How would you define that? Well, it's not really so much that it's a memory, but that's what it's become known as. As far as I can tell, people will see, there'll be a gray in their room and they'll see a monkey or they'll see a clown or a Muppet or an owl. I've had a guy tell me he saw a yard gnome,

somebody else saw Captain Hook from the Peter Pan films. And it seems as though the ETs can go into your mind and pick out from your mind an image that for you is not scary. I mean, clowns nowadays with the amount of horror films, people, that's a scary image. But I talked to Guy Terry Lovelace and he was having these experiences in the 19th. 1960s when for him clowns were a lot of fun and he was seven years old.

So five of them turning up in his room and they just had fun and they kind of taught him things. It wasn't like he was taken onto a craft and examined physically and well, this scary stuff happened. It was just having fun in the bedroom. And it was cousin who reported monkeys showing up in his room. So there can be all sorts of different images. One guy actually, Steve Aspen, he woke up in a hotel. And I think it was Slovenia. He was on holiday.

And at the foot of the bed were two gray aliens. And in between them was his father who had died three years previously. And they must have picked that out of his mind as that as being a calming image for him. Wow. So that's really interesting because that is one aspect that I haven't really dug in too much, which is the disguising. I've heard about it a little bit here and there, but to think that that's a commonality.

That's something that seems to be a working, almost like out of a playbook for alien gray abductions, is to use some type of disguise that will be a calming effect to whoever they're contacting, whether it's abduction, whether it's just direct contact, and then they leave. But we're talking about the ability for gray aliens specifically to,

tap into our consciousness and find something that we won't find scary and that's how they want to present themselves. Yeah, yeah. And do you know Mike Cleland? He talks about owls. He's known as the owl guy. Owls are big, yeah, with this. Yeah, that's right.

He's in the book. Yeah, what have you found out about owls with this? That's something that on the side of passively have been very interested in trying to figure out the connection between owls and the alien abduction phenomenon. I've wanted to do an episode on it for years, and I've never been able to really quite sit down and fully dig into it to gather the details. So what have you found out about how owls, of all things, connect to this? I wonder if it's just what they look like.

The greys think it would be a suitable image. There's a story in my book of somebody driving down the road and they come around a bend, and there's a four-foot owl standing in the middle of the road. There's no such thing as a four-foot owl. They don't grow that big. And I wonder it's because the way the owl's eyes are, the size of them and the way they look, there's something to do with the grays. But also normal owls show up around abductees. And some of them say if they hear an owl or they see an owl, they know something's going to happen that evening.

Wow. And we know that the grays seem to be very telepathic. Maybe they can use owls as some kind of biological CCTV. They can connect into them. their eyes and ears to see what's going on. There's a story Mike Clellan tells it's in my book where there was a woman in a forest. She's walking along by herself and having a nice day out and she comes around a curve in the path and there's a grey standing there just to the side of the path.

And she said it was like the grey was suddenly shocked. Like, oh no, she can see me. And then she heard this kind of telepathic thing in her mind. that was just going owl, owl, owl. And it morphed into an owl. And then it turned around and walked off into the trees. So they got caught out that time. They do make mistakes now and then.

Yeah. So fascinating. Have you ever been able to kind of, I know, look, if you have the answers to this and fantastic, you'd be the first. But have you ever been able to kind of look into the explanation of why people, just from all the interviews that you've done? Why do you think, Simon, and obviously this is completely hypothetical, but why do you think abductions or close contact, you know, close encounters do happen? Do you think it just comes down to, you know, to use an analogy, they're the scientists and the white coats and we're the lab rats, and there's no rhyme or reason as to why they choose who they choose?

They're just trying to find answers with their biology, and maybe it helps them somehow, or maybe it's experienced from childhood, which I know is in your book, and we'll maybe use that as a bridge here. why do you think that happens to begin with that people have these experiences? I tend to think it's something to do with consciousness and perhaps the afterlife in a way. There's two, it's Mike Lerlin again, and there's a woman called Sev Tok. And a little thing about Sev Tok is she was friends with one of the writers for the Star Wars series Andor. Oh, cool. And they named a planet after. So now there's a planet called Sev Tok in the Star Wars universe.

I thought I recognized that name, and I guess that's why. Because Andrew, I thought, was a great show. I loved watching that. So that's why I recognized it. But continue. But they both pretty much said exactly the same thing. With Mike Cleland, there was high strangeness there where he found himself on board a UFO. And he was one of the aliens.

He was a gray. And he was with two others. And they walked into this, what he described as a tacky 1970s boardroom, this awful carpet. plastic folding chairs. And he said, I don't think for a second, there's actually a 1970s boardroom on board a UFO. But that's the image they gave me. And there was this boardroom table, all these gray aliens on the other side of it.

And he stood in front of them, almost like doing a job interview, or maybe you've been sent to see the principal. But he was complaining. He was saying, you didn't tell me how hard it was going to be to be a human when I agreed to incarnate in this body. Wow. And I heard almost exactly the same story from Sev Tok. Mike Cleland, they basically said to him, tough, get on with it.

With her, they said, yeah, sorry about that. We didn't realize either. So when it comes to who is chosen from childhood onwards, I wonder if that's got something to do with it. There's a prior connection to them. Because my other podcast is called Our Paranormal Afterlife. And another thing is I'm a hippo. a therapist and I specialize in past life regression.

So I've done over 900 episodes with both of these podcasts and gained a lot of information on both of these subjects and I see this stuff connecting up. So it's a question I ask in the book with childhood experiences. How do they know which children they want to work with? So they can't go to every single child and see whether they're suitable or not. So maybe that's how they pick them or it's something to do with consciousness or you know, some people say that they're very psychic and maybe that's something to do with that. Hey guys, so just taking a quick break here because I want to talk you about something that I think we can all relate to.

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abductions or the genesis of the abduction or the encounters always goes back to well when I was about three or when I was about four or five or six it always almost always starts that way and they can say oh I remember

my first time going back to when I was in kindergarten and so that has always struck me because again you're talking to people as you know who this happened to in the 50s the 60s the 70s and every decade so on after where they can trace it back to when they were usually grade school age. So, you know, getting back to what you were saying, how have you found that to, you know, have some type of commonality in what we're talking about here?

Is it possible that one of the answers that you mentioned is that maybe we're dealing with in some cases, maybe not all, but in some cases, aliens who have been incarnated into human bodies to experience human life and report back? I mean, it sounds maybe nuts to some, but if we put, maybe analogize it a little bit to human terms like a secret agent, right? Maybe someone out of the CIA or MI6, they go in and they infiltrate a sleeper cell and they live as one of these, you know, bad guys for maybe five, ten years to gain information.

Is that maybe what we're looking at in some cases? It's fascinating. It is, yeah. I mean, you say live as one of them, live as the bad guys. That means the humans are the bad guys. Right. Humans would live as, you know, the gangsters, so to speak, if you want to put it to simple terms.

So, yes. Also, the idea of them being secret agents sounds like it is something nefarious, something a bit. Right. Are we bad guys to them? Or are we just primitive to them? I mean, they just want to know more about our history, our biology, our soul. I mean, there's so many questions to this.

I think they already know everything. And I think that they've got a program in place. They know exactly what they're doing. It's very well implemented. It's very efficient. It's happening to thousands and thousands of humans. And they very rarely make mistakes, but they do make mistakes. So it's something like with the childhood that seems to start off

it's playful and a little bit of fun and maybe a little bit of teaching and that's around four or five, six years old. Then seven, eight years old onwards, there's more of a classroom kind of thing happening. I've got a chapter about that in my book because so many people have reported it. And one of the common things there is talking about the Gray's teaching them to move objects with their minds. And so many people talk about objects about this big, it may be just a red cube. green globe or a blue pyramid shape and they juggle with them or they pass them between each other and they're using their minds to do it. It's telekinesis. There's another guy who said he was taught about the building blocks of the universe, which he said are also the building blocks of consciousness.

And there was somebody else who was talking about how she was taught about these symbols. And each symbol contained a massive amount of information. And she was taught how to read. these symbols. And then from there, when you reach puberty and you can reproduce, that's when you could say it turns nasty. And that's when they start putting you on the table naked and prodding you, you're paralyzed. There's nothing you can do about it. It's very scary. They take sperm, they take eggs, and that leads on to the whole hybrid thing. And all sorts of things happen there and I split it up because in this book I've got a chapter like the abduction begins how it always starts and then I move it on to another chapter of onboard the craft because so much other

stuff happens and it seems that I was going to say for decades you're in that thing naked on a table over time they might start to get to trust you a little bit more a little bit more they start letting you get up and move around maybe but then as you get old older, like 50, 60, it becomes more about consciousness, less about the physicality of it. And people talk about having out-of-body experiences when they meet the grays or very vivid dreams and downloads and stuff to do with consciousness. Right, right. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, what are some of the stories that kind of stick out to that you decide to put into the book, not to reveal the entire book, obviously, but just some of the things that really stick out to you that you were excited, like, as you were doing, you're like, oh, I can't wait for people to read about this? Well, in the sightings chapter, there's a couple of good military ones. There's a guy called Terry Lovelace. He was working as an EMT in the early 70s. And he was on emergency call one night, just him and another guy.

They got a call from one of the ICBM, the nuclear missile silos that somebody's been hurt. They'd fallen down a ladder, I think it was. And so they go out to that. site and when they get there they can see all these military police cars it's like 1 a.m and all the lights are flashing and they get right there to the gate and there as a captain says you can't come in your guy is hurt but he's not that serious he's not going to die and so he just says them stay in your ambulance do not get out but terry's partner toby says no forget it man i'm getting out so he

jumped out and he came back to Terry and he says, you've got to see this. And he dragged him out of the ambulance. And he said there was this huge black diamond-shaped UFO just over the missile silo, just slowly turning. Wow. And he said that the captain looked at him and he thought, uh-oh, I'm in trouble. But the captain just looked at him and smiled a kind of, man, can you see that? And eventually the UFO just shot off

And the captain was back to normal And then he was like, all right, get in the ambulance And collect your guy So that stands out because that's a chapter on sightings And these are sightings that show up for people It's not just little points of light in the sky Yeah And then another story, another chapter

This one about classrooms, this girl was taught to read these symbols And she was with eight other children and one of the girls wasn't doing too well, wasn't learning these symbols too well. And they were taken into this room and there were these nine kind of big holes in the wall and they were given one each and they were big enough for the children to crawl through

but it was a maze and they'd go into these tunnels and at the junctions would be a symbol and if they could read the symbol, they knew which way to go. And she eventually worked her way through the maze and jumped out of the UFO. into this field. And she knew she had to go and run over to these trees

and wait there until everybody was out. Before they started, the Grey said to them, no one goes home until they've completed the maze. Wow. So she was at this tree, and the other kids turned up, except for this girl that wasn't good with the symbols. And they heard screaming in the distance,

and she said it was really horrific, like somebody was being slaughtered. and she said it sounded like that girl and they never saw her again. So I don't know what happened there because sometimes the grace seemed to do something that tests humans' emotional reaction and maybe it was something to do with that. Crazy. And that almost does sound like, you know, I used the analogy earlier about like, you know, scientists doing tests on rats.

That almost does sound like a lab rat scenario, right? Put him in the maze, see how long it takes him to get out. I mean, it sounds like a mix of things, Simon, and this is, you know, again, questions that I've tried to answer for myself and all my, you know, interviews and investigations. It sounds like there's a mix of things happening, whether it's, you know, medical investigations, whether it's hybridization, whether it's trying to connect with the human consciousness or the soul, or whether it is incarnating alien beings into a human form. and you hear about people, you know, they say that their real family lives in the stars, whether it's Palladians or something else. And can it be everything? Is that fair to say? Can it be a little bit of everything? And like not each situation, you know, boils down to one specific thing. Or do you think it does boil down to one thing? No, I think it could be all those things because I hear all these things from people. And the people I talk to, you know, they're completely level-headed normal people. They're not crazy. Right.

And I wonder about some of the stuff. You know, there's like a gray area. They say that they talk about the Pleiadians and the Hoc Turians and the Galactic Council, and it starts sounding a bit too much like Star Trek. Yeah. That's in a gray area. But it's the thing where I've gained so much knowledge, I still don't have the answers. And it's like the more you get into it, the more you realize how complicated it is.

and the more you feel like, man, I don't know anything. I've only been studying this for 40 years. It's so true. It's so true. You feel like you're getting somewhere. Then you just have 20 more questions. It's very true. I do want to ask you about your work as a hypnotist as well because it's a little controversial in some circles where people hear about hypnotic regressions. There is a lot that's spoken about there where we get a lot of accounts from people who have gone through hypnotic regression. They're able to remember their abductions. They get a lot of

details from that. But then there are others who say, well, that's not reliable testimony because it might be suggestive or there might be false memories. So you actually do it. It's a practice that you do and you've studied it obviously and you're able to accomplish it. So what can you tell us about the reliability about hypnotic regression and what you have found in your own work towards it. Well, when I do past life regressions, I've had people contact me after the session and say they found that person. Somebody sent me an oil painting, a portrait of that life, that person. There's a detective who Robert Snow, he, this was back in the 90s before the internet. He was taken through a past life regression reluctantly, didn't really want to do it. But

He saw the life of this person who was a painter and he saw him in Paris. And he, as a detective, he started investigating it. He wanted to prove it was nonsense. And he thought I would have seen these paintings in a book somewhere or on TV. So he started searching. He could not find these paintings anywhere, the ones he saw in the past life for Christian. And one day he was in New Orleans and he went into the small art gallery and went upstairs where all the unknown painters were,

and there was the painting that he saw in the past life regression. Exactly. And they gave him a leaflet on that painter, and he went on to have what he called 28 proofs that what he saw in the regression really happened to this painter. So I can see, and I've had it for myself, when I've been taking through past life regressions, that there are things that come up that can be verified

that these memories are correct. And so when that comes to alien abduction, it's more a thing of, you can't really prove it. You can't go and check the paperwork. Oh, yes, I was abducted on that date. But if it's true coming through with past life aggressions, what does that say for abduction memories? I was taken through a past life regression

and an abduction memory came up for me. It's just totally spontaneously. Because a lot of the time people criticize alien abduction hypnosis because they say, well, the person was looking for it. You know, it's the power of suggestion. They were led to it and these false memories came up. I was doing a past life regression. We weren't looking for UFOs or aliens. And it just suddenly came to me.

And I still don't know if it was real. And I had a past life regression in December. And four more memories came up. with different encounters with the grays. Really? But I'm, you know, I might say I'm in denial or something. The things I saw are things I was writing about in the book. So maybe my subconscious just brought them up.

Yeah. Or maybe I'm so fascinated by it because it was happening to me. I just don't know. That's pretty wild. Can you talk about what you found out just on your own? That maybe surprised you when you went through your own regression? aside i mean how maybe it connected to the abductions or anything else that kind of like whoa this did this really happen to me in a in a past life well um with uh the past life one of the things was

i saw myself as a girl in 1895 in london and then i went on to be a nurse in the first world war where i was just a couple of miles behind the front line and these big canvas tents and all these men were coming and were terrible injuries off the front of the front of the front of the front of line. And later I Googled like the nurse's uniform and I found it was exactly what I'd seen in the past life progression. And I didn't know what that uniform looked like with the alien stuff. A couple of things that I found interesting. One was, I was on a table and I was naked. There was a grey on my left, two on my right. They got me off the table and walked me towards the wall. and then they put a vision in my mind

where I was in a forest at night and there was an area, say, the size of a football field that had been cleared. So it was all just tree stumps and I was standing with all these adults and there was this planet in the sky so close to the earth and way too close for reality

because of magnetic fields and gravitational stuff between planets but there was a pathway coming off that planet leading down to where I was standing all these children dressed in white coming down the pathway. And the adults were greeting them

and they were hugging and there were big smiles. And I got this message of my mind that said, when the planets meet, the children will return. And then I was back in the room with the grays. And the recent past life regression, the hypnotherapist just said to me, just take yourself back to your earliest memory of encountering them. He didn't tell me what age I might be

or how it happened or anything. You know, he wasn't leading me specifically to something. And I said, I'm in a cot, in a playpen. I'm maybe a year old, and I'm wearing a, you know, just like one of those one-piece suits. And I'm looking up, and there's three grey aliens looking down on me. And I said to him, they've just come to check that my soul has properly meshed with my body, that everything's working properly. So that's a couple of things that came up for me.

Wow. Wild stuff. It's, you know, obviously the implications of all these things. And maybe that's why there are so many things that remain hidden, right, when it comes to disclosure and the truth coming out, so to speak, because there is quite a rabbit hole to go down for people when they find out or if they find out that, you know what, there is, there are other beings out there. So if there are truly indeed other beings in the universe and our galaxy, wherever, What does that mean ultimately? And, you know, some of these questions come up and people start to find some of these things out, obviously we can see the implications about, you know, what this might mean for someone's personal life. You know, does this mean that it happens the same for everybody? Or is there unique experiences that people go through that, you know, can lead back to past lives and interaction with alien grays or any type of ET? Yeah. And if the governments, it could be also be Russia and China and UK and all sorts of governments,

if they know that this seduction thing is happening and that it's related in some way to something spiritual, that they know there's something to do with reincarnation. If there's disclosure, do they say also, oh, and by the way, the afterlife's real? And we've seen that it's not religious. You know, Christianity's wrong. Islam's wrong. Buddha's wrong. You know, I don't think they'd want to go that far.

Right, right. Well, very interesting stuff to say to Lisa. I mean, there's a lot there to unpack and uncover. And I'm glad that you put it all in the book as well. And, you know, because, again, there's just so much to consider, which is why we do what we do is to try to find the answers to these things and contemplate what the heck is going on. Before we're done, too, I want to ask you about implants.

Implants is something that I've always found to be very, very thought-provoking because there's something in people's bodies. Like there's something there. It's not like where you can say you were abducted and you're the only one who remembers and you have to try to convince people that had happened or that you saw something in the sky. You tried to take a picture and your phone didn't work. There's something in your body physically and you can be seen on a scan or can be taken out and it can be felt. and they don't know how it got there. So what have you found out about these objects that have been found in people's bodies or markings that are unexplained for people who say they've experienced abductions or contact?

Yeah, well, there's two different things there. There's the marks on the body. Yeah. I've got a chapter about that. And there's the implants, which I think that chapter's in the second volume. But with the marks on the body, they can be really big marks. there was Steve Neal you had an x-ray on his arm

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That's shopify.com slash UAP. But with implants, there's stuff I've read about people I've talked to. have said that they had an implant and it was transmitting on a frequency after they took it out of the body. And then those transmissions just stopped. Or they'll say they're kind of weirdly metallic, but they have some kind of organic coating, which can connect into our nervous system. Right. And it's almost like it's built so that our body doesn't reject it. But it's not technology. It's just maybe a lump of metal or something. Or it looks like glass. or a silicon.

And I kind of think that the greys aren't so stupid. They put something that's obviously technological in you, you know, in case it gets found. It wants to be strange, but you can't point to it being like that. This guy, Terry Lovelace, again, Terry Lovelace, he's in my book several times. And he's got pictures of this in his book.

He's got the x-rays and he's got photographs of the scarring. But the x-ray and his leg showed, a square, something that was a perfect square, and it had two wires coming out of either side of it. And he said to the doctors, can you remove this? And they said, we cannot see a scar of how that could have got inside you. And it's obviously artificial. But because he'd had all these heart problems, they said, if it's causing you no problems, there's no pain, we don't want to touch it, because your heart is sensitive. And if we start surgery, your heart might not react well. eventually he found a doctor in Mexico who agreed to do it

the morning he was supposed to travel to Mexico he woke up with these bruises on his legs and they were kind of a single bruises like six of them in a circle that looked like a flower, a petals of a flower so they weren't just an accidentally knocking your leg against something some kind of machine had come down on his leg and in the center was a deep cut into his leg.

He said it wasn't bleeding, but there was a small hole there that went deep. And he had this exactly the same height on both legs. So one of them was x-rayed and they found the implant, but maybe he had that in both legs. The aliens knew he was going to get it removed. So they came the night before and took them before the humans could get hold of them. That's incredible.

I mean, are we talking about, again, this is why I find the markings and the implants so fascinating because it's tangible. Are we talking about, Simon, there is maybe a human element to this, do you think? Again, maybe there are two answers, right? I think with the UAP phenomenon, there isn't one correct answer. Maybe it boils down to something. That could be a common factor, but with a lot of things, they may not be one correct answer. So when it comes to implants or these strange markings, do you think it could be a mix of human interaction

for whatever reason that people are being taken because we've heard about that where people are taken and they are tagged or experimented on and it can be mixed with the ET abductions as well. Yeah, yeah, that's, they call it my lab.

Yeah, right. Abductions. Yeah, and that's, there's a chapter in my book on that. Can you explain my lab to people? Because I think that's something that's, some people they hear and they're not exactly sure what that is. So how do you define my lab? Well, it seems to be that it might not be military.

It might be some other agency, but they seem to know who's being abducted and when. And the day after an abduction or some time after, they'll get picked up, be abducted by these men. And some might call them men in black. Sometimes people will go to bed and then they'll just wake. up and they'll be with the aliens and humans in the same room. And so it seems like an abduction with Steve Neal. He said he was seven or eight years old. He woke up. He was lying on a hospital bed. There were two greys on his left and there was a doctor on the right, human doctor with a white

lab coat, stethoscope round his neck and he had a moustache. And so like Steve Neal was maybe 65 or 70 now. So that that was how many decades ago this was. and one of the grays came forward and did something to the center of his forehead and step back. And then the doctor looked over and said, oh, you've left a mark on his forehead. You left some evidence. Like he was annoyed with the grey. Wow. And there was Deborah Corbel.

She was with this new boyfriend and they were going to stay at his cabin in the woods. Classic kind of alien horror movie thing, cabin in the woods. But they got there and they got out of a car. and she thought she saw movement in the trees. And the next thing she knows, she's lying on a gurney and she's being wheeled through a hospital, a hospital-like space.

She could see the wooden frames of the windows, and the windows had the little metal cable bits inside the glass, you know, and they use these cards to unlock the doors and go through. And she was lying back, and this doctor came over, and she said he was like a lot of, large guy. He was balding. He had a really thick southern states accent. And he said to her, well, little Missy, you've got something in your ear and I'm going to take it out. And she said, he came out with the tweezers and it looked like a little insect and it rolled up into a steel ball.

And he said to her, you're going to feel a lot better now after I've taken this out. And then he said, I don't even know why I'm talking to you. You're not going to remember any of this. Wow. But she said she was lying there and she was saying, I've got to remember, I've got to remember, I've got to remember. And she did. And next thing she knows, she's waking up on the sofa inside this cabin in the woods. And her boyfriend is waking up.

And he just grabs her and says, get in the car. She said he drove her back to town, took an hour or two, didn't say a word, and then just let her out of the car when they got to her house. She never saw him again. So she's sure he had some kind of abduction experience then that was probably just humans, no aliens involved. Right. Wow. So, I mean, there's an implication here, Simon, that for years, maybe even decades, that there's been human alien cooperation.

And that has been a speculation for a long time, that there's been some type of cooperation when it comes to, you know, sharing technology or, you know, experiments on humans. is that an implication, you know, an implication that people can look at and say this might actually be a thing? I mean, are we looking at this and thinking there actually might be some truth that there is, that that kind of stuff is happening? Because that would be very tough for people to accept, I think. Yeah, I know. I know. And you wonder about the people who would do that.

But there's enough people I've talked to who've told me these kind of stories that I've got a whole chapter on it on my book with all these different transcripts. of what they've said. And you wonder why there wouldn't be more whistleblowers, you know, because the big whistleblower, like Travis, I know, Travis, Warren, Bob Lazar. Right, sure. You know, since him, it was decades before these new guys have shown up who, you know, you could probably believe them,

because you know what their credentials are. You know what their background is. Right. Wow. It's, well, I mean, the book is called Shocking Encounters. I mean, so that's what this has been. Aspects of Alien Abduction, Shocking UFO Encounters. For anybody who wants to check out, Simon's book, obviously, it's extremely intriguing stuff here that we've been talking about today,

and it covers a lot of ground in this first volume. And I'm glad we've been able to do it, Simon. So before we go, because I really enjoyed this, again, just to go over all these different aspects, to give credit the title of the book, to how all this kind of plays together in the aspects of alien abduction and encounters. But before we go, is there anything else that you wanted to say specifically about what you do have in the book that you feel like people should really kind of highlight once they get their hands on it? I suppose the thing is I was asked once, are they a threat? And I'd say for humanity, they're not a threat, maybe for the individual they are. And I think it is abduction a lot of the time.

Some people who have had these experience say, no, it's not abduction. I don't like calling it that. But they paralyze you and they take you from your house against your will. That's the definition of abduction, isn't it? Yeah, exactly right. And that is a great question, by the way that you get. I've gotten that before, too, of all, you know, should we be scared? Should we be afraid?

Is this a threat? And so I'm glad you brought that up. Simon, for anybody who's looking for your content, podcast, or your services as a hypnotist or the book, of course, how can people find you what you're doing and reach out to? Well, yeah, the book aspects of alien abduction. That's on Amazon and other places on paperback and audiobook and Kindle. And it's on Spotify with the audio book.

And my website is Simonbound.com. That's bound, not brown. Oh, I'm sorry. My mind was playing tricks on me. I thought I saw an R there. My apologies. It happens to me a lot. Yes.

And I've got the alien UFO podcast. and the R paranormal afterlife podcast. As I said, it's around 900 episodes now. And my first book was about near-death experiences. And that's also on Amazon. Very cool. And yeah, I mean, I don't know why my mind was playing tricks in me. When I saw your name, I thought Brown this entire time.

So I apologize. And that's coming from somebody who, with the last name of Diner, where it's spelled D-I-E-N-R, I've been called Diner my entire life because that's the way it looks when it's spelled. Now I did it to you. So I apologize, Simon Bound. completely my fault. But I guess can people reach out to you on social media and find what you do or just

kind of search your work? Yeah. Yeah, because on Simonbound.com, it's got everything, the podcast, the books and the hypnotherapy. People can go on there. And if you're thinking of doing a past life regression or something I've been doing more common now is abducting, abducting. You're not abducting. I haven't been abducting anybody.

I've been doing hypnosis regression with people who have alien. and memory as UFO encounters. Very cool. Well, Simon, again, it's been really enjoyable. I'm glad we got to meet, talk here for the first time on the show, and hopefully we can keep in touch because I'm really fascinated by your research. It kind of mirrors a lot of things I've researched myself. So really, really fascinating. I'm glad that we could discuss it here today, and hopefully we can talk again soon.

Yeah, that'd be great. I'd really enjoy it. Absolutely. Thanks, Simon. Joining here for UAP today. Appreciate it. Hey, guys. So I'm going to get back into the show in just a minute, but if you'll allow me, I wanted to get something a little bit more personal here, and that is my age. Yes, I have just turned 40, and with that in mind, being a now officially middle age, I have realized that it is harder for me to stay in shape. I work out, I exercise, I try to eat right whenever I can, but with all that in mind, I've noticed it's a lot harder to get in shape and stay in shape than it was when, let's face it, when I was younger in my 20s or even in my, you know, earlier 30s. And if you're experiencing the same thing I am, trying to stay in shape and stay lean, do what I did and get involved with Mars Men. Mars Men is a natural supplement and it's designed to support healthy testosterone levels.

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So please support my show and tell them my show sent you. Well, thank you again to Simon Bound for that interview, for coming on and for being so open. When it came to the aspects of his new book, actually aspects of alien abduction, shocking UFO encounters. So if you want to look for that, you heard him give the information. You can go to his website. All of his information is on there, whether it's his books, his podcasts, all the things that he's done. You can go to Simon Bown.com. And you heard me get his name wrong.

And you obviously heard that at the end there. And it's ironic, like I said, because people get my name wrong a lot from, you know, know, diner to when it's actually diner, and when you see it spelt out, I've gotten diner my whole life, but as you know, it's diner. And when I saw his name, Simon B-O-W-N, for whatever reason, my mind just played a trick on me, and I automatically saw the word

Brown. So I was originally calling him Simon Brown, and so that's where that came from there at the end. So, sorry again, Simon, didn't mean to get that wrong, but you can go to Simonbound.com, B-O-W-N, to see all of his work there. And he does, you know, you heard him talk about a little bit of for things with past life or past life regression therapies that he does.

He did also write a book, which looks really interesting, that maybe I can talk to him about next time about near-death experiences. He called it verified near-death experiences proof of an afterlife. So you can check out his stuff there, really interesting guys you heard, and I really enjoy talking to him, so I'm sure we'll have him on again in the future here on UAP. But a couple of things that stood out to me before we wrap up here for today that I really wanted to kind of highlight before we were done was toward the end.

And this isn't something I mentioned at all in the prologue there before the interview started. And he spoke about My Labs. Now, My Lab is something that if you haven't heard about it, and you probably heard him mention what it's short for. It's short for military abductions. So M-I-L military AB abductions. But they read it as My Lab.

So you kind of think about, you know, are you in a lab? like what's going on? It's maybe it should be pronounced Mill Lab because it's military abduction, so I don't know why it became my lab, but anyway, I'm not going to be the grammar please on that one. But the military abduction aspect of this is a really dark corner of the discussion that I've gone down a couple of times. I've spoken to people about it and, you know, maybe even off the show where I've spoken to people about it. Actually, it is explored.

If it ever gets to come out in my UAP investment. series. One of these days, I swear it's going to come out there. There's just a lot of hoopla in the background that is delaying that. And I think that's the first time I ever used the word hoopla on UAP before, but that's neither here nor there. But one day, UAP investigates that 10-part series that I did almost a year ago now will hopefully come out to the public. But one of the things that we mentioned in there is a whole episode on implants and abductions. And we actually get into military abductions, my labs or mill labs, whatever you want to call it. And it's one of those things that you don't really like to consider being true because

we're talking about a human element to this where you have, according to the experiencers and the theories, you have this cooperation, as you heard her mention, of human alien cooperation, military doctors, military personnel abducting people, human to human abduction, and then bringing them into these facilities where aliens and humans work together for medical experiments. I have no idea if that's true. It sounds dark. It sounds disturbing.

It sounds even maybe I should even say, and I don't mean this with any disrespect to anybody who says they've experienced it, maybe you would even say it sounds implausible. And that's fair because we obviously can only go on the stories. And it's one of those things, just like the story you heard about the girl in the maze. where she made it out, but apparently another girl didn't, and you hear these screams. There are some aspects to this phenomenon that when I hear them, I like to think, okay, maybe

that part isn't true. Maybe that's a case of mistaken identity. Maybe that's a false memory. And that one with the little girls definitely goes into that ballpark where I hope that's a false memory or it's something that's just fabricated, you know, dare I say. And the military abductions is another part where I hope that is something. that is completely false or misrepresented. I don't know. I just don't want that part to be true. That is very disturbing to think about if you have, you know, military personnel or black ops,

whoever they are, henchmen, you know, mercenaries, I don't know, working in cooperation with these super secret programs alongside with, you know, extraterrestrials to do experiments on humans. That is a really, really tough pill to swallow on some of those stories. But it is, it is a subject that needs to be broached. It's a part of this discussion. And as you know, I like to try to cover all the bases here on UAPs. So that was something that's, you know, we spoke about here in the course of that interview, obviously, that is in Simon's book. So it's, again, it's something that needs to be considered. And I hope that's not something that's happening. I guess that's all I can say on that. But when it came to everything else, I mean, my gosh, the medical experiments, some of those, you know,

stories. The guy waking up with his arm not attached to his body. He wakes up with the arm attached again. Of course, the implants being found in people's bodies. And then what really kind stuck with me too, because I've heard of this before, and you probably heard me mention it, about these transformations or illusions even, some type of trickery where these ETs will use images in our mind and portray themselves as those non-threatening images. So you heard Simon mentioned that people have told them that they see monkeys. They see clowns, which for me would be terrifying. But I guess that was a long time ago. So that was more of an inviting site. But no, thank you on the clowns on my end. I think I'd rather see an alien

gray, if I'm being honest. Gosh. But then you start talking about owls, right? We have these discussions. People a lot, they mention owls in connection with the UAP phenomenon. And that's, so that's something that continues to be a mystery to me. What does that mean? And why do all these people have these commonalities in their stories where they're seeing these extraterrestrials as something different or a family member? They see them as a family member. That made me actually think of the movie Contact. If you remember the movie Contact with Jody Foster, one of my favorite movies, it's a work of art where at the very end, spoiler alert, if you've never seen Contact, where she, goes through space and time and makes its face-to-face contact with the alien,

and the alien presents itself as her father, her deceased father. So that way she wouldn't be scared or she could see somebody that she was familiar with and accept what's going on. And so I don't know if that's an element of truth from the movie, and they got that from experiencers, or if experiencers have that subconsciously in their mind, and maybe they're getting that from the movie. but if that's the case, the movie Contact came out in the mid-90s, I believe,

and these experiences go back before that. And these reports about shape-shifting, I guess, if you will, appearing as something else, go back before the movie ever came out in the mid-90s. So make of it what you will. I mean, these are incredible stories. They span decades, different people, different time periods, different parts of the world,

and they all have some type of commonality in how they played out, especially, of course, leading back to the childhood abductions where a lot of people say that their experiences began as a child. So obviously there's something here to discover. The question becomes, how does this all connect? Or even maybe why does this all connect the way that it does? Is this some type of playbook, right? Is this some type of worked out strategy that the ETs or whatever they are are going through?

you know, kind of just going by the book, textbook edition, you know, abduction 101 that they use to experiment on humans, take humans for whatever reason, whether it's hybridization later on in life. These are all things that, of course, need to be continued to be addressed as we move forward with the disclosure movement on the political spectrum as far as Washington, D.C. in Congress and petitioning to the president and to lawmakers. we were doing last week in Washington with David Gruss and the, you know, UAP caucus members of of the Congress. So these things go hand in hand, right? Of course, basic disclosure. And then that becomes, okay, it's actually happening. So what else has happened?

And that's when you kind of get to this subject. And, you know, will we ever really find out, will we ever really get to the bottom of how these things happen, why these things happen, how are they connected? I hope so. I hope we do. But the questions are there in the story. are there and I'm going to keep talking about him and asking the questions as long as we have to until we, you know, maybe get some type of answers. I feel like we've been able to figure things out as far as commonalities.

But the question at least still remains in my mind as to the how and the why. And that's one of the great mysteries of this phenomenon, which is why we call it a phenomenon to begin with. But speaking of the disclosure movement in the process there, we are going to get back to that part of the discussion. on the coming episode because I'm bringing on Jordan Flowers. Jordan is the executive director of the Disclosure Foundation in Washington, and they have a really, really big conference coming up next week on June 25th, and I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it to that one or not. I've been invited to be there.

I'm just not sure if I can make it. But I'm looking forward to speaking with Jordan about that conference, and I think you're going to be very interested in that discussion, because a lot of very big names or powerful voices in this subject are going to be there talking on this subject, including Bertchette and Luna and Burleson, as well as Senator Rounds and Senator Gillibrand. Of course, they've been very big in this. The rounds, you know, Schumer bill that they tried to push forward a couple of years ago for the UAP Disclosure Act. They're going to they're going to be speaking. Schumer is not.

I haven't seen Schumer on the list unless he's a late edition at some point. How putoff is going to be there. Mike Gold. former congressional witness from NASA is going to be there. There's a lot of people involved with this, and I'm hoping I can get there as well, but we'll see what's in the cards. But if not, I will at least have on Jordan Flowers to discuss this, the executive director of the Disclosure Foundation.

He has a lot on his mind. He has a lot to say, and he's a great guy. I met him last week at the press conference, and we kind of both had that moment of like, I recognize you, you recognize me, but remind me who you are. We had a really cool discussion and had a good time and had a good time getting to know each other last week. And we've spoken a couple times since then to kind of, you know, just lay the groundwork, figure out where this is going as far as the conversation for the Disclosure Foundation and the conference and what the goals are.

So we're going to get into that. There's a lot of big expectations. International media is going to be involved with that conference. So I'm looking forward to bringing that discussion to you coming up here in the next few days. on UAP as well. So stick around for that and everything else coming up on UAP because you know we're always going to get into something. Always trying to stay out in front and have on all of these very important and interesting conversations with some of the most important people out there in this topic. So continue to follow along wherever you get your podcasts on all the major

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And I appreciate that. And always appreciate you coming back and all the kind words that we get in the messages as well is awesome. So feel free to always reach out. I always say that, whether it's through email S. deaner uap at gmail.com or through any of the social media channels i always uh try to respond to those messages when i can get to them as soon as possible so that will do it for today thank you so much again for coming back here and thank you so much again to simon bound for having that

discussion really really interesting stuff and um super compelling that and we need to continue to have those conversations kind of about the the down and dirty conversations uh about the phenomenon and I'm glad that we can kind of dig into that portion again here today because we need to keep that at the forefront as well. So thank you to him and thank you as always. Can't wait to talk to you again right here on UAP. So on that note, thank you for everything and for all of the support. You know what always means the world to me. So until next time, it's Stephen Dean here saying be well.

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