UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 219 Aliens and the Christian Conundrum

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

Stephen welcomes in author, filmmaker, and famous Christian lecturer, L.A. Marzulli as he makes an extremely compelling case for what he calls the hidden biblical history that would explain the origins and agenda of extra terrestrials. Add this one to the list of possibilities...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome back into UAP. Stephen Dean are back with me here, as always, on the Unidentified Alien Podcast for episode number 219. And happy to welcome in here today. Author, Christian lecturer, filmmaker, a bunch of movies and a bunch of books. L.A. Marzuli, who also has quite the following on YouTube. A very very interesting guy, actually, which is why I had him on the show. He's got about 300,000 subscribers on YouTube.

So big audience, and he covers a lot of bases when it comes to, I guess, when you mix in biblical history, Christian theology and the extraterrestrial phenomenon, the UFO stories, everything surrounding sightings and the craft and recover technology. And what he calls kind of like this, you know, hidden history when you mix in the biblical themes and different verses from the Old Testament, all very fast. stuff that L.A. has looked into and researched over the past 30 years. This is his, you know, career as a Christian investigator, I guess you could say, and, you know, kind of looking through that lens. And he adds a really, really interesting perspective to this conversation through that lens. And you know that's something that I've always been interested in through listening to the show is, you know, kind of through the lens of faith, through the lens of religion, how does this conversation play?

You know, what are some of the pieces that we need to look at to try to make sense of it all on that aspect of things and then mesh it together with all the other parts of the discussion? And, you know, I always try to cover all the bases here on UAP, and that's exactly what L.A. and I do here today. Starting off, I mean, we just jump right into it. You'll hear it. We jump right into the Roswell crash.

He talks about a piece of the crash that he says that. that he has, which he shows. Some of these things are visual that we talk about because he's holding up pictures. He's holding up his books, his movies. He's talking about, you know, what he's done and some of the things, some of the artifacts that he has. He holds up a model of these skulls that he found

on an archaeological dig at one point, you know, like the flattened skulls in Peru. So he has some visual aid that you'll hear him referring to during this episode. Now, I explained what we're seeing, but so that way you can follow along while listening. but also you can check out this episode on YouTube that's also on YouTube as well so you can get the full visual representation of some of the things that he's referring to during the episode.

And another thing that he mentions, and I just want to put this out there in case you aren't too familiar with it again because he's a lecturer. It has a lot of biblical history in his minds who's able to just kind of, you know, spout out these things. He talks about something called the sethite view, the sethite theory of the Old Testament of Genesis, essentially. And what that is, because again, we get into the Old Testament, we get into how is this presented in the Bible,

the extraterrestrial phenomenon. How does it mix with some of the stories of the Old Testament, going back to Genesis and Adam and Eve, and he talks about the Nephilim. We get into the Nephilim, and he says how that is separate from the Sethite theory, which is what you normally hear, say in Sunday school, you don't really hear talk about, demonic giants in Sunday school, you might hear what he refers to as the Sethite theory,

which is the traditional view of how Google describes it here, the sons of God, godly human descendants of Adam's son, Seth. So talking about the human descendants from Seth and Cain and Abel and everything like that, and the daughters of men, where they were the ungodly descendants of Cain, and how that intermarriage led to the widespread corruption and the people. flood. The alternate theory, and again, I'm just putting this out there, so you know, you kind of, it's very quick. It's very quick in the discussion. So I want to make sure you're not left behind during the discussion. The alternate theory that L.A. talks about is, of course, going back to the

Nephilim, the hybrids, you know, the giants, and some what some would call the demonic giants or offspring of fallen angels and human women of the Old Testament time. And that's, what would lead to, you know, the catastrophic flood, the flood of Noah and all these different things. So how does this all connect? I know it's a lot, but it all comes together here in this episode. It's really, really a compelling discussion. I hope you enjoy it. A lot to kind of connect here, all the dots to put together.

But we do it myself and L.A. Marzuli right now on this episode of UAP. Enjoy this one. Well, looking forward to this conversation today. L.A. Marzuli joining the show, author, filmmaker, lecturer, lecturer, over 30 documents. centuries, over 10 books in the subject. And his newest book here that we're going to talk about, the Rungs of Disclosure, L.A., thanks so much for coming on to the show. And there's the book right there as it floats across the screen.

Obviously, look, you know, there's a lot that we're going to hit on here today. So I'm happy to talk to you because you've done a lot of field work, a lot of research in this. And I appreciate, you know, the decades of research that you put into this subject. So happy to bring you on. Yeah, great to be here, Stephen. Thanks for having me. There's 34 films and 16 books in the corpus of work. So it's a lot of information.

You know, we've got 45 minutes to an hour, but we can definitely delve into it. I'll tantalize your viewers. That's a piece of metal that came up out of the Roswell debris field. Really? I'm not making it up. They didn't get it all. They didn't get it all.

And the powers that be put these 12-inch spikes in the debris field. Why would they do this? Because when you have a metal detector, right, the metal detector goes over that and this is what you get, which is what this came out of a debris field in Roswell. Wow. But our guy, Tzikowski and Frank Kimber, knew where to go. So we went outside that spiked area. And Frank, this is all on film. Frank goes, hey, guys, I got a hit.

So we go running over, the cameras are still running in the films like this. And we get there and beep. And obviously there was something there. So he takes a little garden spade and he starts to dig down and that's what we find. That's a shard of metal there in your glass bottle. We've looked at it. That's the actual photograph that came out. Oh, on the front of that book.

And what is that book called? It's a film. Oh, that's the film. Okay, revisiting Roswell. And so that's the footage that you're talking about. So we dive right into it here. This is great stuff. And there's like you said, a lot of one of coming.

cover just, you know, as far as on the Roswell side there, on the side of how faith plays into the disclosure discussion, that's something that I've always enjoyed discussing with different guests and even on my own time, just diving into different subjects. And so, like you said, all the research that you've done. But, I mean, just to kind of dive right into it there. Now you've got me hooked, LA in the first 30 seconds. You've got me hooked. Yeah, exactly.

Cannonballed to the deep end. So on that Roswell note, this is pretty interesting that you have assured. I never knew that of debris that you found there. So as a to play devil's advocate here, because what I try to do sometimes, LA, is I try to think of a question that a skeptic would ask. Because, you know, I want to ask a fair question that I think would give an interesting perspective, right, and see what kind of explanation we can get. So someone sees the shard of metal that you hold up in the glass bottle. They hear us explain it. Naturally, a skeptic might say, well, how do you know that came from a ship in the 1947 crash in Roswell?

So I guess how did you guys come to that conclusion? Well, we took the metal and we went to a laboratory and examined it under a scanning electron microscope. Okay. Scanning electron microscope. It is an aluminum alloy. The metaler just came in, and because it's all, the metal, this piece of metal is all folded in on itself. And it was buried about six to eight inches below the surface in an area that was completely untouched, completely untouched, okay? And you can go to streaming.llamarsoli.net and watch, we actually have 10 films on the whole UFO phenomena.

So Roswell was number seven and eight. Okay. All right. Nice. So we're the only film company, according to Chuck Sikowsky, and Frank Kimber was the guy, with the metal detector, and Chuck had his metal detector. He didn't find anything. And by the way, spend a little bit of time.

Go to Chuck Sukkowski's website, UFO nut.com. He's Mr. Cattlemutilation. He's been looking at this for decades. Anyway, I digress as usual. So we get the metal. I showed you the picture. Now we're in a laboratory, and we're looking at the metal

and they're scanning electron microscope. It is folded in on itself like this. Really strange. And so when you go down, when you magnify, 400 times, you know, all of a sudden it opens up and you can see the way it's folded. And the meddler just came in and I said to her, let me answer something. What would cause this type of reaction in the metal? Now, she had no idea at that moment in time where the metal came from.

And she said, well, some sort of duress, like an explosion, a crash, something like that. So then she takes the metal and she puts it in this little gadget. I'm using this as a prop. So she places the metal in this gadget and she's trying to identify it. We know it's aluminum. Now she's trying to figure out which aluminum alloy it is. So it goes and it reads that. Then all of a sudden it flips and reads the one below it.

And then it goes back up again and then it goes down. It does this. So then she takes the metal and she turns it around, it was all in film, and puts it back in the machine, same thing. Bam, bam. It's between two known aluminum alloys. That's the first thing. So Chuck Sikowsky had a piece of metal.

He went to a different lab, same exact thing, in between two known pieces of aluminum alloy. And Frank Himmard did the same thing. So when she looked at me and she said, maybe we need a bigger piece. And I go, no, the piece is fine.

It's just that you can't figure out what it is because it's not there. And she goes, well, where did you get this metal? And I go, I got it for a Roswell Debris field. There's the big reveal. The whole deer in the headlight thing happens. It was pretty cool.

So that's wild stuff. And what I really find fascinating is something that you mentioned. You kind of threw two things actually that I never heard of before. One, that you had a piece of debris that you guys feel is from the actual crash based

off the testing that you've done. And the metal spikes, I had never heard of that before. So is that something that a lot of people have come across these 12-inch. I mean, that metal spike you held up as we started speaking. It's like this giant 12-inch metal spike. Those things have been put by the federal government. Is that the assertion within the cross-saint?

Somebody did it. Somebody did it very deliberately. And Frank Kimber has been out there, I don't know, 20, 30 times. We interviewed Frank in the film revisiting Roswell. You know, the first time Frank found a piece of metal, you know, he couldn't believe it. And it was same thing. It was buried about six to eight. inches. He also found three aluminum buttons from Army fatigues, which were issued between

40 and 1940 and 1950. So what did they, if there's nothing to see here, if it's just a weather balloon, why are these buttons and, you know, throughout the debris field? Why? Because they had a group of men shoulder to shoulder walking down that debris field, picking up everything. And more than likely after that on their hands and knees. But they didn't get it all. Because when this thing blew up, pieces of metal flew like a bullet down into the ground. And that's why we show the metal coming up out of the ground. So, you know, there's a guy.

I won't mention his name and give him a black for him here. You know, he's not a debunker, but he doesn't believe in the physicality of the UFO phenomenon. So when someone says like me, we found a piece of metal, he immediately scoffs at it and basically calls me. a liar, you know, without saying that, but that's what he's doing. And, you know, if he's watching, he's more than, he's more than welcome to come on my show, mono and mono and debate it. Nice. You know, it's, Frank Kimber was out there and he found at least 20 pieces of metal in a period of years. So he knew where to go. And the fact that he finds three aluminum buttons, which were issued between 1940 and 1950 is telling. Because it was just a weather balloon. What's

there to pick up, right? Yeah. You go and you pick up the weather balloon. But Jesse Marcel, Sr., who's the intelligence officer, the 509 bombing group, stated on the record that, and we show that he,

Marcel Sr. goes back to the debris field decades later. He's now an old man. And he said, you know, they were, it was laying all over the place here. And you could pick up the foil. It would be as light as a feather. And you can crumple it up and it would spread itself out again.

you could try to kid it with a sledgehammer and it wouldn't dent, all this kind of stuff. And he looks right at the camera and he goes, they wanted me to talk at that press conference with Gemma Ramey, but that's not what I did. So Gemma Ramey did but talking and he said it was a weather balloon. And then Marcel Sr. looks right at the camera and says, but we both knew differently. So the bottom line is this. in order to say this is a weather balloon and run with that story, which is what some well-meaning Christian researchers have done, you've got to discount Jesse Marcel Sr. You've got to pay him as a kook, as an incompetent man, but he's not. He's the intelligence officer of the 509th

bombing group. And the 509th bombing group is the group, the bombing group that dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So, you know, and then in the Spielberg film, right, Spilberg in the third trailer, he says, I used to think, we'd have a great if the American people found out that all of this is true, that all of this might be true. And then it cuts away to the other part of the film,

and he comes back and he goes, looks right at the camera, he goes, it's all true. And in the film, there's reenactments of the 1947 Roswell event, the Kexburg event, which happened years later in Pennsylvania. I've been to both of those sites, by the way. Eisenhower going in with the three Greys behind them and signing that document that allows the Grays to abduct certain people, but they'll give us, it's a quid pro-crow.

They'll give us the technology. They'll give us these things, which is what happens at Area 51, and you can abduct the people and do the experiments to get the seed and all the other stuff from them, which is Daniel 244. but I digress as usual. And then, of course, the fourth one that he shows is Jackie Gleason with President Nixon, and they're looking at the bodies.

And we show this in the film before Spielberg's film ever came out. We show it in our film that, you know, Gleason talked about this before he died, that he saw the bodies. And his wife goes on record. He came back ashen face. Right. And who wouldn't? Right.

You know, who wouldn't? There's nothing, nothing in your real house to prepare you for anything like this. Yeah. And then you're showing the news from the Roswell crash. Those are some of my favorite stories, actually, that you mentioned, which is funny. And actually, I'm looking forward to it planned. I always say planned because you never know how schedules and circumstances can change. So it's kind of a teaser.

But I'm planned to speak with Laura Eisenhower here on UAP within the next week or so. And I'm very much looking forward to asking her. Good. So, yeah, I'm very much looking forward to speaking to her about that. That said, when it comes to Roswell, I wanted to ask one more question on this, LA, because there's an alternate theory that is, I wouldn't say that, you know, I totally subscribe to,

but it's just something that's stuck in my head as a possibility about secret, some type of secret craft testing that was taking place, you know, post-atomic bomb, but kind of like pre-nuclear and this secret propulsion was being used. And what crashed was secret U.S. military. tech and they put all the story around it. So the real secret is that it was this tech that they didn't want to get out.

Do you think there's any legs to that or do you think, based off of your research, that when it comes to Roswell, it's in the 1947 incident, we truly are looking at the crash of an alien craft. Yeah, it's the latter. And this is problematic. Again, it goes back to well-meaning

Christian researchers who say, oh, it's a Nazi bell, it's an experimental craft, it's all this. First of all, Jesse Marcel is the intelligence officer. of the 509th bombing group. So he's familiar with everything that's out there. And he takes the medal back to his son, waits up his wife, 3 o'clock in the morning or whatever,

and shows it to them. And it was unlike anything they had ever seen. So this is the paper that was put out, and the headline was by Walter G. Haught, right here. RAAF captures flying saucer on Ranch in Roswell region. And the bodies were there. Okay. Yeah. The ninth, the ninth, they come up with this. General Ramey, empty saucer, excitement, not justified, says General Ramey. And that's the whole weather balloon story. This is why in this Billberg film, he has the character, right, go, this seven and on, yeah, cover up, has to end. You know, this whole deal. He's a good actor, by the way. He really does that. And, of course, I'd get an invitation. But, but, so you have two possibilities. So you've got the telemet. So you've got the telemet. So you've got the telemed. This is what bothers me.

So you got these so-called researchers, but they really, did they go to the debris field? Did they spend the time to go out on a debris field with metal attackers? Did they contact Frank Kimball who's been out there? And in our film, Frank's got 20 pieces of the metal. We've had a test it. It's an unknown aluminum alloy. You know, I mean, how many times we have to do this before somebody goes, duh, and wakes up? Hey, guys.

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We've never seen anything like it. Okay? So there's a deathbed affidavit which Walter Gihad signs, and he's been disparaged by other UFO researchers, you know, and all this other stuff. But his daughter, who runs the Roswell Museum, wrote this scathing rebuttal to them. And I'm on her side.

Wow. Because this guy read the affidavit, he was there. So Gemma Ramey is sitting with a telegram in his hand like this. And the telegram is, I'll use this as a prop, it's like this. But, you know, the camera's like 30 feet away. So there's no way you can read this in 1947. But guess what? David Rudiak uses his computer and zooms in on this thing.

And what he sees is bodies of the wreckage. Now, sell it for the balloon to you. The disc is shipped over to Wright-Patterson Field. The word disc and bodies of the wreckage are used in that telegram. So how does that wash with the secret deal, right? It doesn't, not at all. And then we get Spielberg telling us it's all. all true and then doing the reenactment from a 1947 Roswell thing. Again, believe what you want to

believe. I'm not going to argue it. That's why we have two films on it. Here's what we found. So, you know, prove us wrong. Tell me that this is wrong. You know, eight inches underneath the six, eight inches underneath the ground. That's real research. Why would they spike the field if it's a weather balloon or if it's some, you know, unknown military craft? Give me a freaking break. You know, but they have an axe to grind and the axe is this. There's no physicality. to the UFO phenomena. Well, there is physicality to it. You know, when David Grush stands up in front of Congress and states,

we have in our possession craft that was crashed. We've got it. And we've got the non-human biologics that were taken from the craft. That's physicality. Angels have physicality. So to say that this is all demonic, again, is a very truncated view. There's a hierarchy in the government.

of Satan and the structure of Satan, rulers, authorities, cosmic powers, spiritual forces. The Greeks is archons, exusia, cosmocrates, and nomadica. This all with great specificity, and demons are not mentioned there. Demons are a distant body spirits of fallen angels, human women, creating a hybrid known as a Nepolem. They become a demons which wander the earth. They're at the bottom of the pile, man. That's why they're not even mentioned. and demons need a body to manifest in this dimension.

So you've got rulers, authorities, cosmic powers, spiritual forces. This is a well-structured hierarchy in the satanic kingdom, and it's not talked about in the churches. Conversely, what do we have? Thrones, dominions, principality, and powers. It's all there in our Bibles, in our scriptures, but it's not taught so people don't understand. This is why when some researchers go,

oh, it's all demonic delusion. In my opinion, it's a very truncated view of the phenomena, and it's a very misleading one. Because, again, we are at the place where government officials have come out and stated on the record that we've got crash craft, we've got the bodies. Right. You know, so somebody is not, somebody needs to change their paradigm. Yeah.

And I'm glad you brought up that side of things, too, because that was going to be my question, so we'll flow right into it, which is how does, in your view, how do things like, you know, the spiritual realm, the spiritual world, Christianity, church teachings, all these different things. And it is a big discussion right now. I mean, there's documentaries being done about this. The church's role in disclosure and all these different things. You know, J.D. Vance has spoken about it as far as his faith as Vice President, David Grush has spoken about it. You mentioned him and, you know, his faith and how it plays into all this. So from what you've been seen, L.A., in people you've spoken to, how do you see this playing in?

Is it a passive part of disclosure, or is this an active part of disclosure when it comes to faith and the spiritual realm? Well, you know, again, J.D. Vance, with all due respect, painted this as demonic. And again, that's a very truncated, very truncated view of the phenomenon. That's why, I mean, I wrote, I have a book coming out called a Luciferian Endgame. And I wrote this basically over the weekend because it was time. I had to get this thing out, the Luciferian hierarchy. And it's about 2,000 words.

And we sent it up to charisma, my publisher. And I just talked about that. Because with all due respect to J.D. Vance and others who are painting this, and even Christian researchers as demonic, they're wrong. You know, we already talked about that. It's a hierarchy. It's a structure, which is there. The other side of the aisle in the film Day of Disclosure by Dan Farrow, which is a fantastic documentary, you should watch it if you haven't seen it, folks.

You need to start doing your homework. These shows are great. But, you know, we've got 10 films on the UFO phenomena. You need to start doing your homework because we have everything from close encounters, first, second, third and fourth kind, fifth kind, crop circles, alien abductions, catam mutilations, two films on Roswell. Finally, what is the truth? where we sat down with people like Nick Pope, who was, you know, on the other side of the aisle, Nick's not with us anymore. Yeah.

But other people, George Norrie comes on that. Gary Stearman, Mando Gonzalez, just to name a few, all way in on the phenomena from two different sides. So the problem with the church, in my opinion, is we have a very truncated view of a supernatural, which is exactly what the enemy wants to see, that we really don't understand it. So when you go back in the Genesis, Adam and Eva kicked out of the garden, there were two cherubim that are guarding the East Gate. That's a three-hour conversation. Why just the east gate? Why not the north, south, and west gate?

What's going on there? We're not told. But in between the char beam is a flaming sword which turns every which way. So is there another entity which is moving that sword and turning it every which way? Or is it this?

What is that? What am I imitating? Sounds like a lightsaber. A lightsaber. You instantly know. Everybody knows. what it is. But back then, lightsaber is not on the vernacular.

It's not on a lexicon. And I'm being a little glib here. I get it. But think about this. So, you know, lightsaber, all he knows is light, firelight, a sword, a flaming sword that turns every which way. Modern day vernacular, a lightsaber.

That's technology. You where I'm going on this? Yeah. That is technology that's in the biblical prophetic narrative. You can do the Texas two-step around that all you want and say it's not what it is, but it's a flaming sword that turns every which way. That's technology. That's heavenly technology.

So there's a connection here between the two, but I think what you're saying is it's too simplified in your view when they say, well, it's just demons. Very much so. Can't do that. What's the right? answer in your view then, LA. I hate to say right answer because, you know, who really knows for sure about that there are spiritual forces in evil places, that there are archons, there are principalities,

there are authorities, cosmic power, spiritual forces. Why, why does Paul go out of his way and say, you know, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against rulers, authorities, cosmic power, spiritual forces, archones, exusious, cosmocrates, pneumatica. I mean, it's all there. Why would Paul tell us that? Because there's a structure. There's a hierarchy in the Luciferian satanic kingdom. There is. So when someone asked me, what are you looking at this? I say what we are looking at are the fingerprints of the Luciferian umbrella, because that's what it is. That's what it is. And the reason why the bodies of the graves are always recovered, they're automaton, they're meat suits. Yeah. You know, we have, we've interviewed four abductees.

okay. Karen Wilkinson, we have her book. Where is it? Right here. Stolen seed evil harvest. Karen Wilkins' book. Life long, she was an abductee, came of a lord, abduction stopped. She carried three pregnancies by them. So if this is all demonic delusion, how was she pregnant three times? And then they go in, well, were you sure you were pregnant, man? Talk to my OBG by him. We saw the heartbeat. And our work of Academy of Relations shows that that's physical. Somebody's doing this. You see, this is what I mean. If you don't believe in the physicality of it, then we need to start thinking,

who are the people that show up with Abraham, right? And the two angels and they sit down and they eat, that's physicality, right? Sure. And some have entertained angels unawares. They sit down and eat. They do things. There's physicality to it. Absolutely physicality to it all day long.

And this is the problem with the church as a whole, you know, they just, oh, it's all demonic. No, it's Luciferian. And there's a difference between a principality and a demon. So all four people that we interviewed in our film on abductions, Emil, their meat suits, the greys, their meat suits. The fallen one, the dragon, is a master scientist. You see, we underestimate him. We don't give him the credit that is due. He has been setting this whole coming great deception, which is the term that I coined in my very first novel, Nephilim, which was published by Zondervid in 1999.

But the research goes back to 94, 95, 96, all that research, and Dr. I.E. Thomas's book, which changed my life, the Omega conspiracy, which talked about the Nephilim. There were our entire squaws in Christianity who embraced the Sethite theory. So there are no Nephilim, so there are no demons, all right? because the disembodied spirits of Nephilim are the demons that wander the earth. So, a sethite theory, which was written in the 4th century by Julius Afrikanus, just pulled a theological rabbit out of his hat and invented the sethite theory. But when Jesus says that we like the days of Noah, 2,000 years ago, everyone knows we're talking about, because this is in the first century AD, right?

32, 33 AD. And Jesus, like the days of Noah, well, they all know what we're talking about, because the bodies of the Nephilim, the bones, are openly on display in Hebron, 20 miles from Jerusalem. They all know he's talking about. Josephus writes about this. But if you hold of a self-fying theory,

and many of the churches, that's what they cling to, because this is taught by Julius Afrikanus. Josephus talks about the bones of a Nephilim. Ask any rabbi. Ask any rabbi what Genesis 6 is about. He'll tell you. It's the Nephleian wandering the earth. It's the sons of God, the fallen angels coming down.

Why are they doing this? They're corrupting the genome. The seat of the woman, Genesis 315, right? This is the gateway to the Bible, and it's not taught in seminaries. So pastors come out. When was the last time you heard a sermon on Genesis 315? You won't hear it. Because they're not taught it.

They're taught the Sethite theory. So this is, you know, they don't speak about it. Genesis 315, thank you, Gary's Chairman, for illuminating this to myself. and many others at the Neffelin Mounds Conference, which is another whole series of DVDs. Folks, there's just too much to talk about. But 15 is this. The seed of the dragon, the seed of the serpent,

will be at war at enmity with the seed the offspring of the woman. The one coming from the woman, seed from the woman, the proto-evangelion, the Messiah, will crush the dragon's head, the dragon of the wound of the seal. It's the whole Bible. If we understand that, the Bible opens up. If we don't look,

because then when you get to, let's just skip all the other things, when you get to the conquest of Canaan, well, God's a genocidal, you know, maniacal, capricious, bloodthirsty God, because he's killing all those innocent people in the land of Canaan. No, the Nephilim, the Imams, the Refayim, they're all there. They're all names of Nephilim tribes, which are there. This led to our whole deal of Amitrail, the Nefile, of the Nephilim, where we go out into the world and we look at all these vestiges, and here's one.

That's what the models. Yeah. Yeah. And this might be what the Horites look like. We don't know. But we did DNA. We took 56 samples, Mando Gonzalez, Richard Shaw, Chase Klotzki and myself. It's all on film, number six, Amateur of a DNA.

Amateur of Nephilim DNA, number six. No sagittal suture. See this? Yeah. This is a shoot. Right here. There should be a sagittal suture that goes from here all the way back. It's not there.

Look at the orbits, 20 to 25% larger. How do you wrap up infant and make the eyes larger? How do you make the zygomatic arch larger and more pronounced? These features, and we have doctors and surgeons and all sorts of professionals, anthropologists, archaeologists, come on the record. But this is the work of Rick Woodward. This is the foramen magnum right here. Right here.

That's the foramen magnum. Right. The white is clay that the molder, Joe Taylor, God rest his soul, he passed away a few years ago, did so he could sort of dowel inside of it and mount the skull. But that white that you see here shouldn't be here. That's clay. Look at the foramen magnum. If it's any further out to the back of the skull, it's outside the skull. It should be right here in the center, right?

Let me use the white. Yeah, different location. from where a normal skull would have it. Right about there, but it's not. It's all the way to the back. You can't move that. It's done in utero, in utero. It's interesting.

When the child was in the womb. And the DNA evidence that we showed, showed a Middle Eastern haplogroup. Well, they don't like that because it rewrites history. Because the carbon 14 dating that we did on the baby skull, which I'll hold up in a second, The carbon, we unwrapped a 1,935-year-old mummy skull, senior one history museum.

This is, again, Joe Taylor did the model, elongated skull. Look at the reddish hair. Look at the orbits, 20, 25% larger, right? So, and then the foramen magum is all the way in the back again. So what are we looking at here? 1,935 years. We unwrapped it. No contamination.

We took all the samples. And we sent them the three different labs. They didn't know what they were looking at. So the haplogroup, which is the mitochondrial DNA, comes back U2E1, which is Eastern European. What's that doing in Peru? It shouldn't be there. You did find all these skulls in Peru, the adult old-length one and the baby one right there. Right?

I can take you to the gravesite. Thank you, Brian Forrester. I can take you to the gravesite. It might take me a while in the wild. desert area, which is called Changos, the Changos Necropolis, ancient burial site, ancient. And they haven't done, you know, the archaeologists, they haven't done squat there. It's unbelievable. Well, there are some pyramids and they don't do anything.

Yeah. You know, I have an axe to grind with Peruvian archaeologists, I really do. They're not interested in the truth, in my humble opinion. All they care about is the same, the Inka with Master Stone Builders. Oh, look at these, you know, cranial headboarding, cranial deformation. defamation. So we showed conclusively that this is U2E1. It's Eastern European.

That rewrites history. Powers that B, well, can't do that. We don't want to rewrite history. So they don't. And I am ostracized in the archaeological community and in Peru because I'm rewriting history and they don't want to do that. It just blows everything out of the water. Right.

And I was just about to say that because that's a subject that found interesting for a long time is, are we being told the the correct history, right? Or are we being told a watered down version of history that is more convenient, a convenient history maybe is the best way to put it. And this is a discussion actually that I kind of got into with Tim Albarino, who is gracious enough. Yeah, he's great. It was gracious enough to come on here on the show. And of course, he's been all over the place with Joe Rogan

and Michael Knowles and all these different areas, Pyrus Morgan. So I was happy to have him on here. I'm envious. Oh, he's great. He's great. And one of the things we spoke about were some of the things like this, but we ended up getting to some other parts of the discussion. But I want to go down this road with you here, L.A., now, when it comes to these archaeological things, because one thing that Tim touched on here was he can talk about aliens all day to people in the know, and they'll talk about it openly with him, for the most part, right, up until a certain point. But if he mentions things like this, things that rewrite history, archaeological questions, or specifically giants, the Nephilim, like we're talking

about. He says, as soon as he mentions those things, and he mentioned this here, and I heard and mention on Joe Rogan, too, which was funny. I'm like, hey, we talked about that. But he says, as soon as he mentions those things, they clam up. And they're like, nope, no go, not going down that road. So what is it about this part of the discussion when it comes to this convenient history that they want us to know versus maybe a history that is out there about giants, the Nephilim, these hybrids of demons and humans, you know, coming to Earth and giants since all these things we're talking about. Why is this part more secret for people? What is the prevailing paradigm in both the academic world and the scientific community?

What is the overarching umbrella which the scientific community embraces and the academic community embraces? What is that? What is that driving force? Their theory, their credo. What is their gospel? I can use that word. First thing that comes in mind is evolution, Darwinism. Got it.

Very good. Steve, A plus. There you go. A plus for you. Darwinism runs, and that whole theory runs. academia and the scientific community. Anything that goes up against the Darwinian paradigm,

which is sacrosanth, by the way, is immediately dealt with, oh, we can't have that now, can't we? Or theistic evolution, no, no. Because I was talking about my wife the other day, a little rabbit trail, and we'll get back onto it just a second. So I was speaking to an evolutionist

a couple of days ago, a Darwinist, and I said, well, let me ask you something. how does the human heart work? Does anybody know? How does this pump just keep pumping from in the womb to out of the womb until the day you die? How does this thing work? They don't know. Well, it's electrical and false ones.

Well, where does that come from? So evolution designed this thing somehow accidentally, whoa, whoa, we're going to make a heart pump, and so there's the heart and it's pumping, but it's not pumping anything because the circulatory system isn't attached to it. See where I'm going with this? So if you have a pump, the pump's got to be doing something. So which is created first, the circulatory system, and then the pump. So you have a circular story system with no blood in it because there's no pump. You see what I'm going on with this? So evolution is, you know, it took billions of years. Excuse me. No, it's not. And so anything that points back to a loving, holy God who spoke everything in

to existence. We can't have that. Intelligent design. Oh, absolutely. Can't have that. And when Ben Stein in his movie expelled no intelligence allowed, sits down with one of the premier evolutionists of the 20th and 21st century, Richard Dawkins, it goes, where did the first self-replicating molecule come from and thought, nobody knows? And he's right. Nobody knows. You know, it's just great. He's clueless. Well, how do you think it could have happened? What does he do? He starts telling us Star Wars,

Well, I suppose it could have happened something like this. Millions of years ago in a galaxy far, far away, someone, you know, a group of civilization by some dog, what do you mean, must have seated us here? That's it. Yeah, okay, circled reasoning. Where did they come from? So, you know, nobody knows what this is or where we are in it.

But they'll tell you all about it, by golly, by G, by G. So the Smithsonian, all you need to know, all your audience needs to know about a Smithsonian is this. What was it last week or the week before? I mean, I'm cracking up. This is how broken we are as a civilization. So the director of the Smithsonian Institute is being asked questions in Congress, right, in a hearing. I saw that.

And Nancy Mays goes, well, can you tell us the difference between? I won't go there. Nancy Mays, just beautiful woman, great, really articulate, wonderful gal. She goes, what's the difference between, is there a difference between a man and a woman? And the director of the Smithsonian Institute. dude, this is the purveyor of truth for crying out loud. She can't ask the question. Right.

Can't answer the question. That's all, that's all we need to know. You know, the inmates are running the insane asylum. That's all I can tell you, with all due respect to the person. So to smash. Yeah. It all comes back around. We'll never know.

This is why, in my book, On My Trail of Nephalim, shameless plug huge book a gazillion pages so let me show you something here so when you go and you look at Saxe-Waman

okay and you look at this right here yeah we have the giant stones there I mean perfectly put together there you go and that's what it looks like and of course the questions right

the ancient technology how do these stones get on top of each other perfectly place like a puzzle. Oh, yeah. They hate me. I mean, they absolutely hate me. And these are all fair questions.

I mean, because all you have to do is look at the history, look at the archaeology, look at the paleontology, and these are all questions. I mean, you know, the skull that you showed there, they elongated skull. Of course, those things were always explained, like you said, about, you know, ritualistic tribes who would put the boards on the side of the baby's head while it's malleable and it would, you know, straighten the skull out to match their gods, so to speak.

But when you look at the skull, like you said, the foreman magnum is in the wrong spot, and you don't have the same sutures like the normal skull would have. So how do you explain those internal changes? Sure, you can change the shape, I suppose, when it comes to flattening the boards on either side of the head, on the temples. But how do you change the actual biology, the actual structure of a skull? And it's a fair question. And it's something that people, it's taboo-booting people, and it shouldn't be.

It's a fair question. Because everything points back to the veracity and the validity of both the biblical prophetic narrative and First Nation people and other people who talk about the star gods coming down and taking the women and creating hybrids. This is Soxeywama right there. Right. Right. Yeah, they're the structures. And look people. They're like ants. And then look, look to you, look look here. See, that's a rene right there. Giant stone. I mean, it's at least 10 feet tall for one stone. Exactly. And we're told that the Inka or master stone builds. Okay, so let's go there. So unlike most researchers, we took a block of anocyte stone, because all that is ambicide stone.

And we took a copper chisel, brand new copper chisel, right? And we show us on film. So the guy takes a copper chisel and let's use this as a prop of the ambicide stone. And he goes, puts it here and he goes, tink, one hit. And then he shows the chisel. The chisel is dull. Nothing has happened to the ambicide stone. So if you can't cut ambicide stone with a copper chisel, stop lying to me.

But they all parrot the same thing. They're all on lockstep. And then they'll go, well, we're not sure who these people were, but they just vanished into the indigenous population. They have no clue. Because if they go there, look, in the Darwinian paradigm, there is no supernatural. There are no miracles. There is no prophecy.

There is no God. There's only mindless evolution. And if you challenge that, you don't get promoted. You're not a curator of a museum. Everything is a lockstep. And what people don't get, and it's even crept into our seminaries, because the set-fite theory is taught. So if you were going to keep one thing away from seminarians,

you never teach them Genesis 315. So the Bible is locked up. And, well, I don't believe that. All right, fine, don't believe it. Then what's Genesis 6? that's the incursion of fallen angels coming down and doing the unthinkable. Why does he destroy destroy the flood? Because he's some sort of malicious, you know, maniacal, capricious God.

Only eight people were saved because the fallen angels are there and they've completely screwed up everything. They've also, according to the Book of Enoch, sinned against the animal kingdom. That's why we get chimeras, thorns and centaurs and minotars. Oh, that's just Greek mythos. Is it? No, it's not. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. So it's all real. But if you're not a supernaturalist and you don't know about Genesis 315, when we get to Genesis 6, we'd have, then we plug a Mesethite theory. Good luck with that. Then when we get to the Tower of Babel, what's so wrong about what they're doing? Nimrod becomes Gabor through ritualistic sex magic. That's conjecture on my part. Then when we get to Abraham and the Five Kings, what are those Five Kings in Abraham?

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They want what they lost pre-flood. Then finally, when you get to Canaan, if you hold the Bissethite theory, there's no way around it. It's genocide. And this is what critics of the Bible. There was one guy who wrote an article in bagging, you know, the God of the Bible is this pernicious, hateful God that just destroys people, kills and murders, you know, thousands and thousands of people, for what reason? and he's right. Unless they're Nephilim. And that's what's in the Canaan,

the conquest of Canaan. We saw the giants, we saw the Nephilim there. We were like grasshoppers to our sight. David and Goliath. Who's Goliath? Goliath is Nephane. That's why no one wants to fight him.

And he's not six and a half feet tall, like some will-meaning researchal state. Right. Because they can't go there, right? Because it was beyond whatever. So God rest of soul, the guy who used to say that. I won't mention his name

and give them a platform here. But it's really annoying because these guys squawk like this, and they're leading a lot of people astray, in my opinion. Of course, the other side of the aisle would say I'm leading a lot of people astray by talking about Phenephalim. If Phenephalem tribes are not in Canaan, then it's genocide, plain and simple. And you can tap dance around that until the cows come home, but that's what it is.

It's genocide. However, and I got this from Judd Burton, as an archaeologist. It's not genocide, it's giant side. The Nephilim tribes are there. The Nephilim, the Imam, the Eam, the Refayim, the Anakim, Malangniks, they're all there in the promised land. And this is what the Lord showed me about a year and a half ago. It's the culmination of the seed war.

Just think about this. If we get Genesis 315, the seat of a dragon will be at enmity at war with the seat of the woman, the one coming from the woman, the proto-evangelium will crush the dragon's head. Okay. So that's the Messiah. So Abraham gets capped out. finally we know that from you all the nations of the earth will be blessed that's the Messiah however you're going to go down to Egypt for four years it's like right and so the sin of the amorized one of the Nephlin tribes comes in the woods fullness so now Mo and Aaron go down there they do the rule of magic tricks and by the way it was a full-blown um full-blown a cold paradigm in in in in place in Egypt yeah you know with the plagues and the false gods of the whole thing and the god of the Bible is going I and I get it these are these are the false gods. I'm the real guy.

Right. And so that's where the plagues were about, showing that I got control here. He takes him out. Finally, after 40 years of wanting around the desert, that generation dies. Now Joshua and Caleb were poised. Here's something which is never taught in the churches. You never hear about it. It's the culmination of the seed war. Yeah, right. Who's there? Who's there? Who's there? It's the 12 tribes. That wasn't there. 400 years of ago, 40 years ago, wasn't there. Right. And there's millions of

people. And we still don't know which tribe is going to be tapped out from where Messiah will come. And who's on the field of battle? The seed of the dragon. Get that? Yeah. Where have you heard that before? Nobody's ever taught that

that I know. And I got it from the Holy Spirit. I got it from the Holy Spirit. Spirit goes, L.A.? You need to sit down, take no. We did. It's unbelievable. because the Nephilim tribes are there. The seat of the dragon is there. The seat of the woman is there. And they go at it.

And guess who wins? Guess who wins? As always, right? And that's the thing when you add in the Nephalem, of course, it changes the whole paradigm. It changes the whole equation. It changes the whole story. And it really does feel like that missing piece in a lot of cases. So I guess I ask you this question, Lale, I can't believe 45 minutes.

It's gone by, ready? This is wild. My gosh. But I ask you this, I guess in like, you know, maybe the last 10 minutes that we have here, with all that said, right? And to bring together Bible history and to bring together the hidden history versus the convenient history and mash it all together with the UFO topic and the alien, the extraterrestrial existence. How do we mash it all together? What comes out? We put it all in of the oven.

What comes out after we bake it and smash it all together there? It would be like a days of Noah. Like the days of Noah when I return. Men will faint from fear from us coming upon the earth. Even the elect would be deceived if that were possible. Satan comes with all signs and lying wonders, unless those days were short and no flesh would survive. Runs of disclosure. This book has 17 rungs.

We're going up to full disclosure. Darwinism is the linchpin on which all of his hinges. Because if there is no God and no miracles and we weren't created by him, then where does all this come from? Oh, wait, they'll tell us exactly where it comes from. It'll be a nuclear event that goes off somewhere on the planet. This is conjecture. That's the last rung. And that's when these guys show up.

And they will tell us that they created all life on this planet. They genetically manipulated early, ma'am. They ceded, they ceded, okay, they created all life on this planet. They ceded everything on this planet. Which is a prevailing theory that's, you know, extraterrestrials, the Ananaki, right? It's all the ceded man. There it is. Right.

There it is. So they seeded all life on this planet. They genetically manipulated early men. They started the world's civilizations. They started the world's religions now at this critical juncture in human history, i.e. a nuclear device going off anywhere on the planet, our progenitors, our saviors are back

to usher mankind into a golden age. That's the great deception, which is a term I coined in my first book, Nepali, the truth is here. The coming great deception. That's what this is. Let me ask you this, L.A., Do you think with that because that goes to, you know, a theory that people talk about is Project Bluebeams.

So is it something like that where it's, it's the U.S. government making believe their aliens, make you believe its UFOs using deception, or are we actually talking about physical extraterrestrials coming down in physical craft to say now we're your savers. Saviors, here's our time to save you. Thing about this. So we know from history, what I mean by history, modern day history in the halls of Congress, when someone is under oath and they raise their right hand and they square, you know, to tell the truth, they're under oath and they can be indicted if they're, if they tell a lie. Right. It can be nasty, right? All sorts of penalties.

They're telling you the truth. So why haven't they shown up? If they're so benevolent, why not give us the cure to cancer? Why abduct five and six-year-old boys and girls just like Steven Spielberg film shows. Why present itself as a warm, fuzzy animal. So the little girl who's six years old with a Spielberg film will trust the warm fuzzy animal the stag, the deer, and the

little fox and the little raccoon, right? And then she's lured out. And when I saw the first trailer, I said, that's not a gingerbread house. That's the mother. Sure enough. She's in. She's on the table and she's being experimental. Somehow that gets a pass. Are you kidding me?

And this is an interesting point of contention because you have a lot of people who say, right, that's, well, big arguments, just one that you brought up right there, which is these are benevolent and another side that says these are malevolent. And you have two opposite sides that argue for both points. And very rarely in this topic, do you find somebody in the middle that can say, well, maybe it's a little bit of both. But your overall thesis, LA, is that, and I want to make sure, I know I've asked us like two

or three different times, but I want to make sure that we get the point across, your overall thesis is some people might hear it as, well, you said it's not demons, but you're saying they're evil. So how do you explain, I guess, the overall thesis in that framework? Satan's on number two to one. He's building an army. Got that from Chuck Messler. So when we go to, and this is why the seed word, this is why Genesis 315 is Aramont in our discussion. And understand that, the Bible opens up. So when it says their seed will mingle with the seed of men, but they will not cleave to them. Daniel 243. whose seat are we talking about?

Their seed will mingle with the seed of men, but they will not cleave. The word cleave is the word that we get for marriage. No marriage. Not like in Genesis 6, they took wives, plural, from whoever they chose. No marriage. That's exactly what we're seeing.

Seal of the book, Daniel, until the latter days, right? We're in the latter days. Men and women are running to and for over the face of the earth. As we speak, knowledge increases exponentially. These are of a latter day. Amos 9, 14, and 15, Israel is back in the homeland. We're here. Latter days, end times, no doubt about it.

He's coming back soon. Amada date set of it more than likely next Wednesday. This episode will be out before then, so that's good. Yeah, they're waiting. It's not our time. It's their time. Why haven't they revealed themselves? Why not give us the cure to cancer?

Right? Why the cat and mouse game? They're waiting for a moment. in time. Why are they obsessed with nuclear sites? We broke the story on this. My business partner, Richard Sean and I. We were the first people to interview on film Robert

Salas, the base commander of the Malstrom intercontinental ballistic missile base in Montana. We broke that story. As far as I know, we were the first person ever to get him on film. And the reason why he came on film with us is because Richard and I said, yeah,

we'll show you the raw footage. If you don't like it, we'll re-ed it. No other election company would do that because that's not what they do. But we did. He took one look and he said, this is great. I sign off on it. And that was it. We wrote the story. And that UFO hovered over the gate of that facility. And Robert Salas is down 60 feet. And this, and this UFO turns off all, I think it's either nine or 10 intercontinental ballistic missiles. Yeah. How is it possible? How is it possible? So why? They can manipulate the space and matter and energy.

Right, right, manipulation of space and time and energy. So I guess maybe that answers the question that I was about to ask you. Why the interest? Because that's also a hot button topic that's spoken about a lot. Because we're waiting for a nuclear event. Think about this, Stephen. You have one nuclear event anywhere on the planet. It creates the greatest climate of fear that mankind has ever experienced collectively.

Yeah. We're all up, Stephen. You go back 100. I was telling my wife the other day. You know, yesterday, in fact. So she's making spaghetti and meatballs with, you know, gluten-free and all this other stuff. I'm basically a carnivore, so I really watch my, I had no sugar at all. Good for you.

Carbohicase, you know, get behind me. So, yeah, so anyway, so I go, honey, do you realize like 130, 140 years ago in order to make this dinner, right? You either had coal, you had to get the coal from somebody. So meatballs, not so much because there are no refrigeration. So meat was something, a real delicacy. If you kill a cow, you've got to take all those parts and disseminate them immediately because there's no refrigeration. Yeah, you can sun dry it and make jerky, and I get all that, blah, blah, blah.

So just to make the meal that we're doing, because I walked in and I saw the little propane flame on my stove, just, you know, heating up the spaghetti of meatballs. It's going like, you know, where to this come from? Right? 130, 40 years ago, none of us existed. We live in a time which is unprecedented. And because we're linked up, because of the Internet and fiber optic cable and the satellites that go overhead, you have a nuclear event, any where on this planet, everything stops, all the airplanes, nothing flies, that's it, everything shuts down. It's way worse than COVID.

Yeah. And we are looking at this event, an example. We're looking at Kiev. We're apparently a nuclear device as just got off. We do have film from it from a satellite. It's plain to see a mushroom cloud. Reports are coming in. Thousands of people are dead.

We're not sure. Wait, wait, this is coming in. It seems like, yes, this is right over Kiev. There seems to be a mile-wide UFO craft. Now I'm making that all up. But you have a nuclear event anywhere on the planet. And that's a game changer. That creates the greatest collective fear of mankind as ever.

experienced. Game changer. That's when they show up. That's conjecture. Sure. But that's what I think. And you know, you have to ask yourself, why not give us the cure to cancer? Oh, they don't want to do that, do they? It's interesting. And they're waiting for a moment in time. So since they would play off of fear, right, and who else plays off of fear, but of course, the devil. So in that case, then speaking to your overall point, right, which is. Another eight plus, my friend. I try. I was, I was, I was an Okay, students. So I try. So, thank you.

So I guess in that case, right, that speaks your overall point, which is they aren't demons per se, right? Going back to the beginning of the conversation, that's too simplified. But they are part of the hierarchy, not demons, but part of the hierarchy, Luciferian hierarchy, but they fall under the command. They're evil. Inherently, they're evil. They fall under the command of Satan is what you're saying. And this sets up the global government and the global religious system.

This is how you do it. This is how you do it. Interesting. Because, and I know people hear that and they get confused. You're like, well, what do you mean they're not demons then? Because you have to go by what you're theorizing here, which is demons more along the lines of this lower tiered, you know, grunt, if you will. Yeah.

Yeah. The bottom of the totem pole. Right. Bottom. Fascinating stuff, L.A. Yeah, it's something. Glory to the king. I'll tell you, man.

sign off for this statement. Trust me. You and I both. I was a worshiper. But here we are, you know. Yeah. God has a step to humor. I'm telling you. Yeah, you and I both. This is something, you know, I know, I know my audience knows this, but I'll tell you as well as, you know, I'd never expected to start this show five years ago and I never expected it to become a part of my life and become something that's a lot of people, you know, come back and listen to.

And I'm thankful that it is that. And I just keep trying my best to make sense of all this and have the discussions that are, you know, um, worthy of discussion. I guess is the best way to put it, um, for lack of a better term. And I think this is one of those topics that absolutely is worthy of consideration.

And like you said, and I say here, you see it on my banner behind me, decide for yourself, take it for what it's worth. If you think there's something there that you thought makes sense to you and maybe put up a light bulb, awesome.

If you think you guys are dead wrong, I don't believe any of it. Well, then by all means, at least it's worth discussing. And I'm glad that we can do that here. today, L.A. So, awesome. Thank you, Stephen. Really, really good. Love to come back on the show, and God bless you,

sir. You're doing a great work. No, I appreciate it. I'm glad to have you, and we'll definitely have to do it again. Before we go, I know, like you said, all the work you've done, we've mentioned a lot of your work here today, but just so if anybody wants to go back and look at the new documentaries and new books, how did they find all your stuff? L.A.M.Rzuli.com.

Do your homework, folks. You know, we've had an hour. Get rungs of disclosure, because it'll give you, it'll educate. It was bringing up the speed. Ten films on UFOs. By the way, that's the Kumburg as UFO. Yeah, I recognize that.

See the guys in the middle? Yeah. They were the grades. Those are the graves. Ten films. Close encounters of the first, second, third, and fourth kind. Abductions, catamidilations, crop circles, two films on Ross.

Well, finally, what is the truth? So we've got the goods, but, and we've made it, you know, $4.99. You can watch any of the films. Real quick, L.A., and I'm sorry to keep you any longer here, but it's just one more thing, because I know we read, We had a nice wrap up there. It was nice. It was beautiful.

Put a bow on and everything. But there's just one more question that I've even presented myself in previous discussions here on UAP, which is if they are, if aliens of extraterrestrials are demonic in nature, they fall under this umbrella. Luciferian. Luciferian umbrella. Why the craft? Why do they need some type of craft? Or maybe they don't need it. Is it part of a deception?

Why the craft? if they're these supernatural beings. Why do we need the New Jerusalem? If it's all spiritual and it's not nuts and bolts, then I guess New Jerusalem is just a metaphor. No, it's not. Somebody's building that thing. Somebody designed it.

In my book, my novel, The Waiting Room, first novel in 20 years, and people love it. But, you know, I'm patting myself on the back. There's this whole scene where two of the characters in the book, and I'm not going to give away the book, But one of the characters saying, oh, yeah, the angels were fighting over this design. Someone on a square, someone on a pyramid. I finally had to step in and tell them this is what we're going to do.

So, you know, who drew off the blueprints? What materials are we using to create a structure that is 1,500 miles wide? How does that work? And then descends? So there's some sort of anti-gravity propulsion system here. What is the flaming sword that turns everywhere? which way? That's technology. The two angels that go in or the angels that go into Jerusalem with the slaughter weapons, what are the slaughter weapons and who creates those things? When the

angel of a Lord appears before Joshua with a sword drawn, who makes the sword? Oh, God could just blink his eyes. I get that. I get that. I understand that. But what if there's a contest in the heavenly realm to make the sword of a Lord? Wouldn't you sign up for that if you were a metallurgist? Remember the book of Enoch, one of the things that the fallen angels bring brings down and shows to mankind is what is the art of metal making what is what is the the the ephot of the high priest where does the iram and the thurum the stones that light up that's technology what is the ark of the covenant what is you know i mean you could go on what is what is the pillar of that and the pillar of of of cloud what the heck is that you know i mean it's just the the by see we've

got this, what are the, what are the, I saw all around Elisha, the prophet, the chariots of fire. What is the chariot of fire? Sure. Right. Right. Right. So you're writing this thousands of years ago. You're looking at this thing.

It's all lit up. All you know is fire. And your apex movement is a chariot. Yeah. I saw a chariot fire. That makes sense. I saw a UFO. Right.

That makes even more. So I guess in that case, then, it's kind of like, you know, you know, the chariots. Going back to the Spielberg film, it's kind of, and even stories of abductees, because that's where a lot of the imagery came from in the film, where they, you know, an extraterrestrial may appear as an owl. It may appear as a loved one. It's something recognizable. So is that kind of what we're getting in here when it comes to craft?

Maybe they don't necessarily need the craft to get around, but it's something to present for people to see it and make sense. Is that kind of what we're getting at here? No, the craft are nuts and bolts. The craft are real. Okay. And the craft are manufactured to get the grays from point A to point B. Because the grays are physical entities. Gotcha.

And they need to go from point A to point B. They're the worker bees, and that's what the craft is used for. The craft is used for when you take a person and you abduct them, they're on a metal table in the craft. So it's a construct. It's a very complex construct. I don't have all the answers to it. But I can't stress this enough. There's a physicality to the phenomena.

And for those well-meaning, brothers and sisters, believe what you want to believe. I'm not going to argue it. Right. I'm not going to debate you. Believe what you want to believe. But all my research shows go back to square one that there's a physicality to it.

Right. Practical use to these things for whatever they're using them for, right? Okay, good. So I wanted to get that part before we were done. L.A. again, thank you so much for doing this. and I, again, love to have you back on in the future, so much that we can discuss. I hope to do it. What to do it, Stephen.

Take care. Talk you soon. God bless. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thank you again to L.A. And I know, like I said, at the start, there's a lot to take in there when it comes to putting together the biblical history and some of these theories about how it would connect to the ultimate origins and agenda of extraterrestrials. So, of course, and I asked the question many times as you heard it, you know, the, the, the,

One of the big talking points. You heard us mention J.D. Vance and a lot of other people who have said, well, aliens are just demons. And what I really wanted to try to understand and make sure that we all understood was L.A.'s point, which was they're not demons, but they're also, in his view, satanic. They fall under this luciferian umbrella, as he kept referring to. Obviously, these are all his opinions. These are all of his views. You may agree or disagree with some of them. You know where I stand on a lot of these things.

I've mentioned a lot of times before that I don't think that these are demons. It makes sense to me that the grays would be some type of clone or bot or AI bot or something like that because they all look the same from eyewitness accounts. So that's one thing that has always made sense to me. But when you start to, you know, jump the bridge here like L.A. did with all these explanations going through biblical history, it at least makes you think. It did give me pause. Honestly, even for me, you know, I've come out pretty strong against.

the demonic entity idea when it comes to the extraterrestrial phenomenon. My personal theory has always been, and again, who knows what's right, but my personal outlook has always been that these are just other beings that live throughout the universe. And maybe, but maybe L.A. is onto something, you know? Again, it was just very interesting. Like I said, there at the end, if nothing else, it's very interesting to have the discussion and to consider all the points, which you know that I always try to do here on UAP

And I think that's one of the things that you enjoy about UAP is that I'm not stuffing one thing down your throat when it comes to a point of view or an agenda and saying this is the answer. You know, I don't like doing that. And I don't like what other people do it. But I do love having the conversations and going through all the possibilities. And I think that's what we were able to do here today on this episode of UAP. So hopefully you enjoyed that, kind of getting that perspective from L.A. Check out his stuff. Really interesting guy.

You can check him out. He gave all the information there on his YouTube. and his website for all of his work. Really interesting guy. And I would love to have him on again in the future. Really fun talking to him. But speaking of the future, can't wait to come back here on UAP.

And you heard me say it during the course of the conversation there. The plan is to have on Laura Eisenhower. Of course, President Eisenhower's great granddaughter, Eisenhower being her great grandfather. And that is, this is something that I've been working on. for, like actively where I've been wanting to have her on the show here for years, but actively speaking to her behind the scenes and actively trying to schedule this, probably for the past four or five months.

She's very busy. She travels a lot around the world, giving lectures and going to symposiums and conferences and all these things. As you can imagine, of course, with the position that she's in in her family history, she's in high demand when it comes to these, you know, for interviews and for conferences and all these types of things. So happy to finally have something on the books and hopefully we're able to do that

and the schedule doesn't change. So fingers crossed, I should have this interview with Laura Eisenhower next week here on UAP. That has been a goal of mine for a long time. And she's excited for it. So again, barring any changes to her schedule, then we'll have that for you here next week on UAP.

So make sure you follow along here wherever you get your podcasts. And as I always say, on any of the podcasting platforms, just search for UAP, the UAP podcast on YouTube, on any of the social media platforms. Just look for at UA, at UA Podcast 850 on the social media platforms as well, and especially on Twitter. I'm on there a lot.

So follow along. Make sure you don't miss anything. There's a lot going on these days and a lot more to cover that. I wasn't even able to get to here today when it comes to current events. So I'll look forward to doing that in the near future as well. All that said, thank you again so much. for your support, for always coming back, for enjoying the show, and for all of your support and the messages and everything.

And just by coming back here on the show, I really, really do appreciate it. So until next time, it's Stephen Deaneer here. Say, be well. Thanks so much. We'll talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thanks.