UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 224 Jordan Flowers part 1 - The Biggest Story that No One is Talking About

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

Stephen Diener welcomes in the Executive Director of the Disclosure Foundation, Jordan Flowers, for a comprehensive and thoughtful discussion surrounding the UFO luring operations that have been confirmed to be true, but still somehow get ignored. Plus, for the first time, Stephen and Jordan reveal their partnership on a very personal disclosure project...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome back in to UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here as always on the Unidentified Alien podcast for episode number 224. And actually we'll have episode number 224 and 225 this week because it's another two-parter this time with our buddy Jordan Flowers. The great Jordan Flowers really, and I say it here to start, but I'll say it right now as well. My opinion, one of the smartest guys out there covering this topic and well connected as well as the executive director of the Disclosure Foundation. They talked to a lot of people. He was just featured in the Times Magazine article covering UFOs just a couple of weeks ago.

He was one of the people that they quoted as part of that article. So Jordan is one of the big voices out there on the national scene as far as interviews are concerned for sure. And behind the scenes as well when it comes to this topic right now in the push for disclosure and getting the message out there. So really excited and honor to have Jordan back on the show here today. Now the second time he's been on UAP. So in this first part, we get into it's actually this worked out really well because this acts as a great, kind of like a continuation from what we just did with Anthony Williams and that two-parter, where we covered a lot of the compartmentalization, how it works behind the scenes,

how the secrecy is kept, what things we were able to confirm during those two parts as far as rumors and reports. Super revealing a couple of episodes there. If you didn't get to listen to them, I really highly suggest you do that because it was very, very revealing in how all this works and what's going on behind the scenes

and what can and cannot be trusted. But we kind of, again, this is a really perfect off-ramp here because we go into the reports about the luring operations that were confirmed by Eric Burleson and even Steve Scalise in Congress. and with Anthony Williams as well here last week on UAP, we go into that topic here and cover it from the other angle where Jordan is coming from as far as the Disclosure Foundation.

So we really kind of dig into that and uncover more of that. Some of the other angles that I wasn't able to cover with Anthony Williams last time we get into that here with Jordan. And so just very, it's just a super smart conversation despite me. It's not smart because of me. it's smart because of Jordan. So just really some incredible insight that we're able to get into here coming up in just a second. And we asked the question, you know, why isn't this being spoken about more?

And why isn't or why aren't the departments and the people, you know, allegedly involved commenting? Like, no one's saying anything about this. These recovery operations or really the operations to take down UFOs and recover them. It's unbelievable stuff when you really think about it. And like barely anyone is talking about it. So we really dive into that here in part one. And we even go into a counter argument that was presented to me by a comment on social media. And I really try to bring up a counter argument wherever I can just to try to look at it from all angles.

So that was really interesting to kind of explore that angle as well when it comes to this story. And we also make some news toward the end of this first part here as Jordan and I kind of reveal together what we've been working on again together behind the scenes. some really important work that has been going on for months now, that we both felt comfortable enough at this point to reveal at least the fact that we've been working on something together and then take it from there. So a lot here in part one. Sit back, enjoy myself and Jordan Flowers, episode 224.

Get ready. Here we go right now on UAP. Enjoy. Get ready for this. And you know when I say that, I don't disappoint. Jordan Flower is the executive director of the Disclosure Foundation. And I think, I know he's humble, so he may not like me saying this. But for my money, one of the smartest guys, one of the smartest voices covering this topic right now. Jordan, thanks so much for coming on here.

It's UAP again. I'm really happy to have you back. Thanks so much for having me, man. And thanks a lot for setting the bar high there. I look forward to falling under the bar. That's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. No, but there is a lot that you've been covering. there's a lot that you've been doing interviews on and there's, I want to talk to you about all those different things. Starting with, I mean, we're just going to go right for the fast pitch here. What's been really hot and heavy the past week, I would say, is the news, the comment maybe is the better term from Representative Eric Burleson, someone I know who you and I both know.

And he put out very specifically, which I thought was a big moment for him to come out specifically mentioning the luring operation of UFOs that has taken place. I confirmed it here with one of my sources, Anthony Williams, who was on the show just before you previously on a two-part episode that we did. And I asked him to confirm that those things have happened. And he all but said yes without saying yes because of his previous work. And so those things have been happening and they have happened. And Eric Burleson made a point to say that these lowering operations have been significant. successful and things have been brought down. So with that comment out there now, Jordan,

what was your takeaway from that? And where do you think this goes from here? What kind of attention do you want to see that draw? Who says what? Like what happens next? I was similarly delighted that Representative Berluson said what he said. I think it takes some bravery and courage to do that. I think there are forces that do not want him to say things like that. And so I was certainly delighted that that was the case. In many ways, it was confirmation of things that he had already alluded to in other interviews, but to just have the, to use his voice to provide clarity, not only that this happened, but also, who, who exactly was there.

I think that's incredibly important. And so I was certainly excited to see that that was there. And it sounds like your audience is familiar with this event. And so what we can, we're in this bizarre place now where we have sitting members of Congress who have been briefed on this encouraging, who have confirmed that it happened, that it's true, that it was a luring operation that the OD&I, the FBI, the CIA,

potentially Arrow, and, if I'm betting that they were in, they were using nuclear assets to bring these things in, the DOE as well, and Representative Burles and all mentioned military intelligence in his in his tweet about this and I would again bet dimes to dollars that AFOSI, a FOSI or the Air Force Office of Special Investigation right would be one of those entities aware of participating in present for this this operation so we're in this really bizarre place now.

It's starting to feel a bit like Kabuki Theater of members of the gang of eight, senior leaders in Congress, having been briefed on this operation. And yet, we continue to receive the, we need more data. There's no proof of extraterrestrial sort of line from Arrow from that office. you know, I've said previously, I think the ground is receding quite, in an accelerating pace and them sort of painting themselves into a corner. So apologies for the mixed metaphors there, but we're forced to be in this kabooka theater of like, this happened, it's confirmed. They're luring these things. At minimum, they're luring these things, if not bringing them down

and then retrieving them. And then that, of course, implies that, of course, implies that, not only that the government knows that there's a reality to this, whatever it is, but that they have the means to bring them down, and that means is proven to be successful. I mean, the logical conclusions from all of this continue to cascade into something that continues to be shocking

that the mainstream media won't cover. Perhaps one of the reasons they won't cover it is the same reason that's been frustrating other journalists in this space, which is that every attempt to get comment from the DOW and from the agencies themselves has been met with deafening silence. The people that I've spoken with haven't even gotten a confirmation receipt email, much less a robust response to the questions asked. Yeah, it's, and it is frustrating. that aspect because here we have, I think personally it was one of the bigger moments I can

remember in recent memory. And if there's been a lot of things happen that have happened in the past few years, given anything of testimonies at the hearings or the press conference that we were at back in June. I mean, there's been a lot of things that have happened within the past few years. But to have a sitting member of Congress come out and specifically say, FBI, CIA, OD&I, you mentioned some of the other. possibilities, but at least those were on site when a successful luring operation of UFOs took place. It's like, hello, what are we doing here? Why is this not all, why is it not on the front of the New York Times, the Washington Post and CNN and Fox News and everybody? Like, this is,

that's a big thing, right? Am I taking crazy pills here, Jordan? Or is that not a big deal, right? I send people that meme of Mugatu. They're like, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I send that to my team all the time. They will 100% vouch for that. That really hits home for me. I'm telling you. I do not think you're taking crazy pills. I think this is part of the sort of hall of mirrors and the muddying of waters that you become

accustomed to in this space and not knowing what's right in front of you, not knowing how solid the, you know, trying to find terra firma. to take next steps forward. So I think they, you know, suffice it to say, I think they're in a pickle about this. And I will continue my efforts to try and raise awareness for the mainstream about this. I know that a few people are working on it. I would love to, you know, Dr. Phil has sort of entered the chat in a meaningful way, right?

I've been quite impressed with the conversations and attention to detail he's had. on this subject and leveraging his platform to do so. I may reach out to Dr. Phil and see if he's willing to discuss this topic with me or others in a public way to shine a light on it because I do think it's critically important and it will continue to apply pressure to the people that don't want to have pressure applied to them. And that's the thing, right? And I'm glad you brought Dr. Phil because I do want to bring up that.

interview he did with David Grush. It was probably, for my money, the most comprehensive and revealing interview I've seen with Grush so far. And that includes his congressional testimony. So that was fantastic. So we will get to that, hopefully, if we have time. But to your point, right, for the people who don't want to have their feet held to the fire, for the people who don't want to be held accountable on this, Ross Colthard, I thought, brought up a good point. And he actually is something that I saw that he tagged you in on Twitter on this story where it's, it's and you kind of, you brought it up as well, just the hypocrisy or even the contradiction. It's like a living, breathing contradiction that's taking place where you have city members of Congress

saying that these things are happening, that the intelligence officials and the intelligence departments were there present to see it happen. But then at the same time, you have these same apparatuses who are denying or at least not even saying anything and responding about it. So something's not adding up here, Jordan. I mean, what, so I guess the question is, what happens from here? What is it going to take? If this isn't getting their attention, what is it going to take for these apparatuses to finally come out and at least, at least comment on this type of thing?

In some sad way, I think what it's going to take is for them to create some dissembling response with word games to try and half, address the issue without exposing themselves to further inquiry. For example, I mentioned before this sort of comment, Arrow has it having a tendency to hide behind the word extraterrestrial, but then to, you know, not be willing to also back up similar statements if you just swap that word out for something else, like non-human intelligence, object, or what is it? technologies of unknown origin or I would or something else like just technological capabilities that are beyond next generation that we have no

other explanation for in you know advanced engineering right and there's a reason why they hide behind that it's because it's very difficult to you know these word games are real it's easy to say oh there's no proof it's extraterrestrial how would you even prove that something is extraterrestrial that you see in the sky? You would really, I think in order to prove it's extraterrestrial, you would really need to like get a sample from it, look at, you know, do like a spectral analysis and see if it's like, you know, has the same amount of isotope that you would expect to see in this solar system or planet, you know, but simply just. observing something, how would you even prove that something like that is extraterrestrial, as opposed to having a hypothesis that this is a technology of unknown origin or a, you know,

some form of intelligence that we don't readily understand? But again, it doesn't even need to be non-human intelligence or technology of unknown origin for this to be a five-alarm fire from a national security perspective. I mean, let's just stipulate for a second that the operation was real, and let's stipulate that they brought things down, and then look at the scenario analysis where it's not non-human intelligence, but it's incredibly advanced, like, Chinese ISR platforms, like surveillance and reconnaissance,

that we can't explain how they work, or infiltrating our nuclear equities. That's not a good answer either. Right. That's a five-arm fire. So there's really no good answer here for what's happening. And I've made this comment before that this is causing such a, you know, people talk about catastrophic disclosure. How about like just a catastrophic fraying of like the social psyche?

that we need to have be, for a Democratic Republic, where we need to like be able to have an understanding of what the truth is and a shared truth in order to operate as a society. Just being lied to all the time is incredibly damaging in phrase that social trust, trust in institutions, it feels like it's really reaching some sort of breaking point or boiling point

And I've said before that I think you could run as like a single platform candidate in this country on transparency. And to be clear, not UAP transparency, just transparency overall. Generally, I was sort of misquoted in that Times article a little bit. But yeah, you could run as a single issue candidate. And I think you would get elected. If you just promised people that you would be transparent with them and tell them the truth, that's a strong platform right now. there is political capital in that and the work at the Disclosure Foundation

has also proved out that that political capital is there. You will continue to get reelected if you push for transparency. Yeah, you're right. It's a passionate issue for people to be, just tell me the truth for God's sakes. On that notes, there was two more things I wanted to bring up on this

before we move on. The reports that say, I don't know what to make of this. I want to bring it up to you. the reports that say that the president is or has had conversations about these operations with Pete Hexeth, Secretary of War, to basically green light these operations to bring down craft so we can reverse engineer them. What are you hearing about that?

Is that just, you know, internet fodder or is there something behind that, do you think? I've had no conversations to indicate that that. is true or, you know, said differently, you know, I have no information there. I don't know is the answer. I spoke with Ross about this. I watched his special. I thought it was excellent. And he just has different sources, I think, than I do. And I think he mentioned, in, I'm confident, actually, he mentioned in his thing that he's spoken with like administration officials there. that are telling him that. So I don't know.

Trump's awareness, Hegset's awareness. I think there's a question, regardless of if Trump sort of ordered this, is orchestrating it, et cetera, the question still remains, is the full truth or results and data, et cetera, making its way back up the chain to President Trump. And that would be, you know, I would care more about that, or I think that's equally important, perhaps,

as understanding if he directed it, is if that information is like flowing freely up and down the chain, regardless of if he ordered it, because of how it relates to these, you know, the stated interest in transparency and the push for such through the pursue program. Yeah, and it's an interesting point. It's a very interesting thought. And, you know, that report by Ross was kind of a bombshell.

So I guess we'll just, you know, see how that continues to develop, I suppose. Last thing on this one here, Jordan, was actually a comment that I received on Twitter on this subject from at M Huntington 7. And it's kind of a devil's advocate play here. And normally, you know, if someone comes at me negatively, you know, they're being a jerk or whatever, I normally ignore it. And at least I try to, you know, have no one's ever negative on social media. So, you know, of course. But this comment I thought was, it was fair.

It was negative to the story, but it was a fair question. So I want to bring this up to you as a devil's advocate point where we're talking about, you know, the lowering and downing of craft. His comment was location, date and time, names of people involved, what actually occurred, what was seen, what technique was used, where is the official report, where is there a reviewable evidence? And his point was this is a non-transparent report and essentially tabloid fodder in other words. And my comment back to him was, it's complicated, okay? It's complicated. But also it's a fair point to bring up. So I present that to you and let you respond to something like that.

Sure. So the basic who, what, when, where, why, right? And any questions about that are fair questions. Probably the most important thing to reference here is that the reason that I started talking about this is precisely because there is a fact pattern associated with this. Right. when the pursuit, okay, let me take a step back. So there are several documents in the pursue releases that appear to evidence this operation. And I have a very high degree of confidence that the information from these pursue releases

is the same activity or set of activities that was happening as part of this UAP-luring operation. So this would be the FBI 302 interview of senior intelligence officials from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. There is a personal statement from these senior intelligence officers as well. They describe flying around in a helicopter chasing red orbs. This isn't me saying this. This isn't, you know, some random. person out there making wild claims. These are FBI 302 documents describing how OD and I officials were on the ground in a helicopter

chasing red orbs around, right? So that's evidence for the who, evidence for the win. The pursuit documents tell you when. It says late 2025, right in the filings, right? Now, I've had conversations where it sounds like there's significant activity for this in, like, December 2025, but like, you don't even need that. Like, there's evidence from, you know, the president of the United States, you know, initiative on this that says late 2025. The where. It also says Western United States.

I think in one of my prior interviews, I had said like Southwestern because I'm from Texas and think of everything as, you know, the Southwest. And I think that was like motivated by my personal confidence that this happened at White Sands as well. But I believe the actual language about the location in the pursue releases says, quote, Western United States. And the information, the evidence associated with that says, sensitive military facility, right? So that's a win that's good enough for me, and it's definitely good enough for a FOIA request. Right. That's the where, and we can FOIA that too. It's the WHO, which is at minimum, the FBI in the OD&I. So I've, you know, it's difficult to, for me to understand if such comments are made based on ignorance or bad faith,

but, or perhaps both. That's why I wanted to like, I'm running around banging the pot on this, is because there is significant evidence that this occurred or this series of activities occurred. I think that's one of the reasons why, and even to, in one of the interviews that Representative Burleson did, where he described it as. incontrovertible proof, and quote, very successful that there was a real phenomena. Here's something happening. You know, the fallback argument there for the debunkers is what, that Burleson is lying about

this or getting a, getting a briefing, I mean, you know, from the ODNI or that the OD&I, like, what do you have to believe to think that this is not true? You have to believe that he's lying or that people lied to him. It's extremely difficult to explain this away from a debunkers perspective. And I think more will continue to come out from this. Yeah, I think that's really, really well said. And I'll even add to it by kind of piggybacking off what you said there, Jordan, which is this isn't a guy who just started. a podcast in his garage and just trying to make a viral post and just saying, hey, this happened.

I swear, I know it happened. That I can understand if you raise an eyebrow and be like, okay, well, who are you? And how do you know that? This is a sitting congressman, like we said from the start, who is putting out this information confidently. And by the way, if we just mix in the muddy waters of politics, a congressman who is up for reelection in the primaries, he won his primary, but in the midterm elections in November. So if he's coming out looking like a crazy person and ruffling feathers of the FBI and the three-letter agencies, I don't think that the smart play politically before your midterm election comes up in just a few months. So there's someone who has a lot to lose by saying something that big.

And I think that should hold a lot of water when a report like that comes out. Yeah. And who has continued to say more and more about it as well, sort of culminating in his in his tweets recently. Right. You know, I think it's also important for this person in the audience generally to understand that, you know, Steve Scalise, a member of the gang of eight, right, confirmed that he received this briefing. And we know that several other members of Congress have received this briefing as well. This briefing happened.

There are presumably materials you could FOIA from this briefing. are they going to tell you exactly like what was discussed there? No, but the point is that like you should be able to establish whether or not this, this briefing happened. That's right. That's a great point. And I think just to,

to think about how, well, wait a minute. So if this happened and that means what was just, you know, this was a one off. It was like an experiment. Hey,

guys, it worked. Good job. I think it's pretty safe to presume. I won't even. assume it's safe to conclude based off of something like this and based off of other testimonies out there that this was one of many times that this was attempted, done, and done successfully.

So they do it once. It's not like they're not going to stop doing it. It's been done before. It's going to be done again, I would presume. It's just, it's an incredible thing to take into consideration. Indeed. I mean, I think if you, Ross's comments indicated that this could be ongoing. Right.

What I find spooky and a little scary is the airspace restrictions and sort of catastrophic events that happened in this area. Yeah, right. Surely thereafter. So, you know, what's run that scenario? Let's stipulate that this is true. in the sense that there's some sort of operative, there's weird stuff flying around. We had a bunch of agencies try to go bring it down or see what it is, bring it down, et cetera, and that this happened in late 2025, let's say December 2025.

Now, if that's happening, let's just stipulate that that's true for a second. If that's happening, I highly doubt that on whatever January 1st, if this has been successful, on January 1st, they're just going to say, great, let's pick up our total. and take them back to Virginia or, you know, Los Alamos or wherever. Yeah. My guess is they're probably going to leave some of the toys there and some of the capabilities to deal with this. So then in February, we have reports of the airspace over New Mexico being shuttered.

Right. With almost no advance notice, right, from the FAA to local municipalities, et cetera, shutting it down for, I believe it was initially said to be 10 days. Yeah. And that there were reports of a high-powered laser being deployed at Fort Bliss, you know, by members of the military and intelligence community. Okay. And that was explained away, I think, initially as being for cartel drones.

Yeah. And then separately as like a party balloon. you know, I, I, so the government's using our high-powered laser systems to, to shoot down party balloons. Right. Sure. So that happened in, in February, and there's some bizarre attempts to scramble and explain away what happened there.

And then sadly, you have this crash from May that's now been getting. more attention, which I also want to make sure that your audience understands what's happening here. This is a flight, a civilian flight that had departed from Roswell, New Mexico, of all places, and was brought down and crashed because of the deployment of what was described in the article I read as a, quote, experimental GPS jammer. Now, to me, that sounds like a fun way to describe some sort of directed energy weapon. I'm no physicist. But deploying a experimental GPS jammer and killing American civilians in the process, that's horrific.

That's a terrible story. That is something that itself should be foyer and people should be up in arms about. Absolutely. And then I'm confident that they do not want to talk about further. So I guess my point there is there's these, it's not just this sort of alleged UAP luring operation as stated. It's also these other events that have happened and have had confirmation in, you know, non-UAP world media that these are real events and they really happened from the, you know, the high-powered laser thing to the civilian air crash. So there are some very, very strange things there that, you know, by my lights do not compute as stated. Right. Yeah, it feels like if this was going to go to trial, there would be a mountain of evidence for this case.

And it's going to continue to grow, I have a feeling. There was something, you know, again, a bunch of things on here. But I do want to get to this too because this was something that, well, I guess the best way to put it, Jordan, is that a little bit of a reveal here. We're going to make some news. And I want to bring this up now because I do want to spend. some time on it before we're done today. And that is the fact that you and I, along with a team, have been working together on a little project.

And this goes back to something that I mentioned here on the show a couple of weeks ago, a week or two ago, where it was actually the day of the latest government trance release, which I believe was last week as we sit here speaking right now. And I mentioned, you know what? I think it's time to put out there that I do have like a solid hand. handful or two handfuls of videos that I received from military intel sources that show, you know, very strange things flying in the air. Some are full color, full definition showing, you know, straight up an orb flying against the clear blue sky. Others are fleer footage of things that we cannot explain.

And those videos were presented to me in, you know, illegal, non-classified way. they're not classified videos, so nobody was breaking any rules or anything. They're just videos that people haven't seen before. And so I made it known for the first time that I'm in possession of those. And then the question becomes, well, why aren't you putting those out? So there's been a lot of things that have happened in the past when it comes to trying to put those videos out. A lot of brick walls that I ran into personally, a lot of conversations behind the scenes that prevented those things from coming out. I want to make it known that I'm trying to have that happen where everybody can see these.

I'm not holding them to myself just to hold up a flag and say, look at me, cool guy with videos. That's not the goal here. The goal is to put these out so people can see them. And what ended up happening as we went down the road over months was I ended up talking to you about it. I end up talking to a couple of guys on the team at the Disclosure Foundation saying, hey, how about we try to put this together to have these videos come out through Pursue and send it over to Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, Secretary of War Pete Heggseth, and the Department of National Intelligence.

And let's put this information out there that we're trying to get these released. And we put this information out there, even to congressional offices, including Eric Burleson's office, to kind of sign off on. it so we can put this out there that we know these are there and we're trying to get these out through you guys. So I guess I bring this to you now, Jordan. That's kind of revealing that we've been working on this together. Did I miss anything? And what else do you think is important to say on this so people know what's going on? Well, I think the first thing I would say is thank you for being a good partner in these efforts. I mean, having discretion.

not being sensationalistic, trying to be extremely careful with how these things are handled, how they're presented, and how they're ultimately framed for communication with members in Congress and then ultimately for the people in the pursue program. So I'm very grateful for that. I think that is evidence of evidence. sense of being like a good trusted partner who level-headed that builds a lot of trust with like your current sources and I think it demonstrates a significant amount of potential trust for future sources you might have that they want to come for you and or come through you, I should

say. And then and then frankly demonstrates a degree of efficacy in what you're doing. And so to the extent that like you've been a delight to work with there and it's an honor to help you. And however we can be helpful as an organization, we certainly want to be as we sort of bridge things like this to come across with members of Congress to try to make sure that they get to the right place and ultimately get out there one way or another. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.

Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. just a lot of like gratitude there. That's how we like to operate. That's mostly what I have to say about it. I think that's in process. It's not a guarantee of anything. I always in our organization and even in conversations with you, you know, try to make sure that you, you know, sort of set, low expectations so you can try and work to, to exceed them. Right.

But yeah, just to communicate that, you know, we're really trying our darned us to get anything that we're aware of that exists to get that out there in a careful way. Yeah. And I appreciate that. I know all the kind words there. And it's my pleasure to work with you guys on it. And so I think it's just it's just kind of that, right? It's I wanted to let people know where it stands, why these things haven't come out. I think I saw someone comment on one of my YouTube things stating that I might be a useful idiot and I may be an idiot and hopefully I'm useful but in this situation I personally don't think that's true because there's just a lot that has gone on over this year quite frankly of trying to figure out how to do this the best way possible to get these out to people for them to see it and within the five government trance drops,

thus far, maybe a six one comes out by the time this episode comes out with you and I. But none of those videos that we're talking about that are in my possession have come out within these government trenches. And so it's something that we're working on. Again, it's just kind of like, hey, pulling the curtain back a little bit to let you know, this isn't an abstract thing. This is something that's being taken seriously at the highest levels. And we're trying to figure out the right way to do it.

So that's, that's kind of weird. We don't like to talk about a lot of that stuff until we, it, it's, it actually happens. Right. And, you know, your audience might appreciate, so appreciate knowing, I guess you just said one of the core things, which is, you know,

it's our understanding that none of these videos have previously seen the light of day or been included anywhere. And then I guess the second thing would be, which is a question I have for you. I'm pretty sure that these are not the same Dylan Borland had posted file names, right? Recently on Twitter, I think it was Dylan.

I think he or someone had said were stored at Afosi, AFOSI. Your audience might be curious if those are the same videos or not. And so there's a few different potential videos coming up that people have trained their attention on. You might want to help differentiate whether those are they or otherwise. Yeah. And again, as far as I know, they're not the same. Because the sad or, I don't know if the sad is the right word, maybe startling thing, is that there are so many of these videos that, you know, over the years.

And that's the thing that people forget a lot too is, you know, we have recency bias with this conversation. It's not just like the past 10 years. These things go back decades. So it's like, where do you even begin with some of this stuff? So, yeah, I mean, again, as far as I know, nothing, not involved with some of the files that Dylan Borland was talking about there. Again, a lot of this is wait and see, but wanted to put this out here today for the first time for people to know about. Yeah. Thanks for saying that. And just for folks to know that we're really trying our darnness to get anything out there that we can that will help move the needle.

And this is to your point, it's not just, maybe that's a point that's perhaps not clear to people. Like this is a pathway to get things out through the Pursue platform, right? Through the Pursue initiative. Like it's not all stuff sitting in the government servers that they're searching for and getting out on like the government side. There are things that, and some things that we worked on that helped get pushed through on the on the Pursue releases. right? Right.

I think that's helpful for folks to know that that pathway exists, which might not have been clear before, people just sitting around waiting to be fed information. I mean, if you have things that are impactful, whatever those assets may be, if it's, you know, documents, videos, photos, et cetera, that this is a real opportunity to get those things out, and have them be validated and get a national audience for those.

Yeah, 100%. So to be continued on that front, we'll give you more updates when we have them on that. And that's the end of part one right there. I felt like a kind of natural ending there as we finished off that conversation. And then in part two, we get to a lot of other topics as well.

So stick around for part two. That'll be out in just a couple of days. Again, just a very intellectual, again, despite me intellectual conversation regarding the UFO topic here. And I thank Jordan Flowers for his time to do that on this episode of UAP and in part two. Because we spoke for over an hour and a half. That's why I wanted to break these up here and kind of, you know, break up the conversation, take this part in, then take the second part.

And you know how I like to do. I don't have to explain it anymore. I've been doing it for five years. So that's how it goes. So keep an eye out for part two as we get into some more really important topics in that one as well. But just to comment real quick on what you heard, obviously regarding the secrecy, who's saying what, who's not saying different things about the luring operations, that is something going to continue to keep an eye on for sure because I think it's a massive story. And it just is kind of laying there, right? This confirmation that the luring operations have happened that are happening.

So I guess make of it what you will. Maybe there is misdirection there somewhere. Maybe you don't believe it. and that's totally fine as well. I happen to believe the confirmations that I've received. So my questions will continue as to why this is not being covered more in a more grand fashion. And obviously, Jordan felt the same way. So I'll continue to keep an eye on that story and hopefully have Eric Burleson on himself here on UAP,

maybe in the coming weeks to address this directly. So obviously a lot in the works here, as always. And you heard that toward the end of the episode. I always talk about how there's a lot going on behind the scenes. That's not a figure of speech. That's not a cliche that I throw out just to sound like one of the cool kids. That's an example of that reveal right there with Jordan and myself. That's an example of things that go on behind the scenes.

There's a lot that I do that I don't talk about, just different conversations that I have as I try to set things up or set up different interviews or behind closed doors, try to help push this disclosure. narrative forward. There is a lot that I don't mention because that's just how it works sometimes. Not everything has to be put out in the public. Sometimes things are left better off in private conversation because it's more effective that way. And that's because, you know, don't get me wrong. There are times where I would love to put every little single thing out, but I know just I don't like to dramatize things, I guess is what I'm trying to say. If it will help to, if it helps the

situation, I'm going to put it out. If it helps the situation not to put something out, then I won't put it out. That's how I operate. And if I do sounds, you know, overdramatic sometimes, that's because I'm really trying to harp on the importance of a story. And I believe it, it really just is that important. But when it comes to this, it felt like the right time after months and months of working on this to kind of put this out there right now that, you know, you heard me say it a couple weeks ago that I do have videos in my possession, that I was given those by sources. They're verifiable. They are real. And what I hadn't put out until now was the fact that I've been in discussions with the Disclosure Foundation with Jordan and their team on how to get these

out. What's the best way? You know, they composed a letter that we're trying to get out there to the heads of, you know, departments that we mentioned, Secretary of State, Department of War, Department of National Intelligence. We mentioned it all there. So these are the things that have been happening behind the scenes. And one of these days, when the time is right, I want to show these videos to you guys and hopefully everybody can see it. And maybe it's impressive to you. Maybe it's not. Maybe you'll say I can debunk it with X, Y, and Z. Or maybe you'll say, okay, this is really interesting. But one of these days, I am working to get those out to you. But now, at least, you know, that portion of the story that we both felt comfortable releasing that portion, which is

there is work being done with myself and the Disclosure Foundation to try to go through the proper channels at least to get these out. And look, could I just put them out myself? Yeah. But I want to try to do things in a proper manner, if that makes sense. So I will continue to update you on that as the effort continues. But speaking of, so I hope that was something that at least was able to shed some light on the situation for you when I've spoken. about this now in the past. A little bit more of a reveal there of what's going on behind closed doors.

So I'd like to do that whenever I can. I'm glad Jordan was okay with doing that as well. And it is, you know, it's the truth. It is my honor. I really appreciated his kind words on everything he had to say and how I've handled the situation, how it's been working together on this project. And it just found my part, too. It is, you know, obviously my honor to work with them on it.

So hopefully good things coming in the future. I will keep you updated. but that is what has been going on, at least a portion of it. There's much more. Maybe I'll get to tell the whole story one day, but that's one of the main portions right now. Aside from that, like I said, look out for part two. And I'll continue to update you guys on all these things that we spoke about here today. And then part two will have more to talk about.

So that'll come out in the next couple of days as well. Until then, continue to subscribe to the show, wherever you get your podcasts, download UAP to search UAP on any of the podcasting platforms. It will come right up as well as you. YouTube, UAP podcast, search it, Google it, tell your friends and family, announce it from the heavens, let everybody know what's going on, and as well as social media at UAP Podcast 850 to follow along on the social media channels and see what's going on there. So with all that said, that will do it here for today on this episode of UAP. Thank you all again for everything, for all the support. You know it always means the world to me, so thank you for continuing to support me and the show here.

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