UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 232 Cold Case Files vol. 2 - The Las Vegas Aliens

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

We experienced one of the most mysterious cases of supposed close encounters with an ET back in May of 2023. So, why doesn't anyone talk about it anymore? Stephen Diener revisits one of the most argued cases of this decade, as he digs up the story of 8 foot tall aliens crashing in a Las Vegas backyard, now with forgotten sounds and details, along with newly revealed background information...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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for episode 232, volume two of the cold case files, as we are now going to dig back up the Las Vegas aliens case. And this is actually a really big deal for me personally to dig this back up, because there's an intentional reason, why I specifically decided to stop covering this case. The easy thing to say is, of course, that I just felt like I got as much out of it as I could without getting any more answers or information, but I could have easily continued to cover this case and search for answers.

There's a reason why I stopped. And for the first time ever, I'm going to reveal that here on UAP. That's going to be part of the episode here today as far as why I stopped. And, well, I guess maybe a better question is why I decided to be. it back up again for this episode. But I guess the answer to that is because it is a cold case. Just like the Miami Mall in volume one of our cold case series here, this was a very big story that got a lot of attention, that had a lot of questions, that had a lot of people talking, that just kind of fell off at one point or another. And then we started paying attention to

other stories because the news cycle in the UFO world has been fast and furious over the past five years, especially. And so this one just kind of went through the natural life cycle of news in the UFO orbit, if you will. So that's the easy answer, right? It just, it ran its course. But there is a specific reason why I stopped, which like I said, I'll get to and reveal

for the first time ever here on UAP. But again, digging up the cold case and bringing up the questions of whatever happened to this story and why didn't we really get the true answers we were looking for. So in order to do that, we have to revisit

from the start. And this goes back to April 30th slash May 1st, 2023. And for, you know, I guess, purpose of ease and less confusion, I'll just say May 1st from here on out because people reported seeing the bright green light,

which we'll get to here in a second, the night of April 30th. And most of it happened, the entire scenario, most of it happened after midnight. So you'll see in police reports and stuff like, that that it was May 1st, 2023. So just for ease, we'll say May 1st the rest of the episode. So what happened that night, right? Well, residents in Las Vegas, throughout even Arizona and

California reported seeing a bright green light flashing across the sky. Multiple states, people saw this. Now, the easy answer is to say that it was just a meteor. But there's a couple of strange things that happened from this and that were noticed that we'll get to here throughout the episode that kind of put some doubt into the media argument. One of the people who saw this was Angel Kenmore. Now, the Kenmore family was the family who became front and center throughout this ordeal. They were the ones who lived in the home of Las Vegas that had the encounter of the Las Vegas aliens. after this bright green light was seen,

the Kenmore family and Angel Kenmore specifically came to social media and posted the video that was taken of, you know, essentially the entire family walking into the backyard because they heard a crashing sound in their backyard. And once they walked back there with the camera rolling on the phone that I believe the mother was holding, you see them get spooked and they run out of the backyard.

It's something like, out of a movie like signs even where they see something they all run and the camera pans down and the video ends. So what did they see? Well, that's when this whole thing went viral because a lot of people saw the green flash in the sky. It wasn't just them. And this sighting in their backyard coincided with that flash and the bang sound that was heard.

But Angel and his family were the ones that were front and center. And this was the actual recording that Angel Kenmore put out on social media the night after or a couple days after this entire thing when they are the ones reported seeing aliens in their backyard

on a 911 call by the way this does involve police there is an official police report but first here is Angel on the only video that he ever put out by himself that I remember anyway on YouTube it begins

and I've left this in here for a reason it begins with the bang sound that was caught on their doorbell camera. And then Angel goes into his testimony as far as what he and his family saw that night in the backyard, that Faithful Night May 1st, 2023 when the Las Vegas Alien Saga began. Here's Angel's original testimony from that week. So when that happened, the only thing I can see in the backyard is a tall creature, probably around 8, 10 feet tall, very thin. So I called my dad. He went to the backyard and he saw the same thing.

the same creature I saw. He told me to go inside the house. At this point, we all freaking out, me and my family. All right, so that's the bit of it. It was a little bit longer, but that's the bit of it, where they start talking about seeing these eight to ten foot tall creatures, big eyes. They mentioned later, you know, they look kind of greenish.

So matching aliens, okay? You know, almost like your classic gray, if you will. And, of course, you heard that bang sound at the beginning. And like I said, I kept that in there. there on purpose. Now, I just want to play that one more time, just the very start of this. Let's listen to that bang again, and there's a reason for this. Okay, so there is that bang sound that it picked up. Now, of course, the first reaction would be, well, Stephen, if this is a meteor, which some people said it was, you know, bright flash

in the sky, of green in the sky, we see that all the time, right? You know, green flashes, blue flashes, depending on the composite makeup of the meteor, it gives off a different color. That's not that unusual. And sometimes, if they're close enough and they're going fast enough, we'll even get a sonic boom out of that, right? So that's an easy thing to explain. That's the sound that it caught.

Well, remember that sound you heard, okay? And then compare it to this. This is a sound of a sonic boom, an actual sonic boom that we know for sure was reported as a sonic boom from on the afternoon of Sunday, June 4th, 2023. This was heard over Washington, D.C. in the surrounding residential areas there outside of D.C. when an F-16 fighter jet was scrambled from Joint Base Andrews to intercept what was a Cessna 560 citation.

It was a private jet that was unresponsive. And this F-16 was sent out on June 4th, 2023, to intercept this thing to figure out why is this Cessna not responding. So it was giving clearance to go supersonic to catch up to it. And this was on the news, and this sonic boom was reported by many residents outside of D.C. And caught on many doorbell cameras. So here's what this actual sonic boom sounded like, and we'll compare it to the one we heard on Angels' doorbell video from his night of the Vegas aliens.

Now, to me, it sounds a little bit different. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but here's Angels one more time. That to me sounds more like a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of them. a thud. And I could be wrong. Maybe you hear it as the same thing. Cool. If that's the case, maybe, you know, I'm, again, splitting hairs. But the one from Angels' doorbell camera on the night of the Vegas aliens reported sighting sounds more like a crash. It sounds like a thud. It sounds more explosive, sudden, and it doesn't taper off. With a sonic boom, and I think that's the main difference there. With this one here, the sonic boom from DC, just a month later,

by the way, when you look at it, this was June 4th and the Vegas aliens was May 1st, both in 2023. So with this, as the actual sonic boom, that one sounds more like it's tapering off, almost like thunder in a thunderstorm, and has that echo that kind

of fades out. And the one on Angels ring doorbell that was caught that night of the Vegas aliens case sounds more like a collision. So that's my read on it. You can take it as you will, but I wanted to play both for comparison and sake to see if we were dealing with a sonic boom or not on this night.

Maybe we could just say it was a meteor that created a sonic boom. And that was a sound that was picked up. But up to you and maybe up to your ears on if you hear a major difference there or not, that's just my read on it. But outside of that, then we get the testimony from Angel, right? We all remember the main point of the story that they saw the aliens in the backyard. A lot of people did work on this over the past few years. A lot of people did forensic works.

slowing down video, using thermal imaging and things like that. And in fact, I did a lot of that here on UAP. You might remember, I covered this case pretty heavily in the past. Ever since it happened in, you know, May 2023. And I covered it probably for about six months, six to 12 months with the help of the crime scene investigator and forensics expert Scott Roder. Scott was a guest here on the show. He's an internationally known, you know, forensics.

guy crime scene investigator has worked a multiple big time court cases in various countries. I know he's been worked on cases in Japan and Australia. Of course, here in the United States. I think he worked in Canada, but I don't know that one for sure. But you'd get the point. And he did a lot of national news coverage on this as well when people were asking him, hey, you are, you know, what do you know about this? If you can reconstruct any of this from the video that was taken from the Kenmore family.

And that's when Scott got into this. He was never an alien guy, but he thought this was interesting. And he started investigating the video that was taken on the cell phone on his own time. And that's what he became nationally known for this case. And when I started to have him on the show, and heck, we ended up becoming friends from this where he ended up coming on the show. It was somewhere between three to five times. And we did extensive work on this here on UAP a few years ago. So, but eventually we tapered off here and we came to an end.

right and again I'll explain why that was the easy part is to say well we you know squeezed everything that we could out of it but it did go a little bit deeper um but that's it just to kind of give a background there about the past work that was done on this and Scott of course coming on and saying uh that he he did all the video breakdowns and he saw you know that's this shadow coming over the fence that would line up to where um the Kenmore family was looking in their line of sight And he's the one who pointed all this out. And then a lot of people started noticing it where this alien-looking head is peeking over the fence

and it's about eight to ten feet tall. And you see the shadow almost like it's cloaking and it's walking by the fence and that's when the family stops and runs away because it's almost like they caught a glimpse of it. These are all the things that we went through and he did a lot of frantic work on this imaging, working with the pixels and everything

and really dug deep. If you ever want to go back and listen to those episodes, for the full, full explanation on it. But just to give you kind of, you know, the reminder about what we did here in the past and why I decided to dig this one back up here today to, you know, revisit the cold case, if you will. You know, when you go to start a business, here's the great thing with Shopify. Everything you need is right there ready for you from day one.

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But getting back to some of the details here because I want to get into, even though I did a lot of work on it in the past, There was a lot of things that I didn't play in entirety or really dig into. And one of those things was the 911 call and the police response, the interaction that they had with Angel, his family, and even their neighbors. So let's go back to that. Let's go back to the night of May 1st, April 30th. I'll just again, for ease sake, May 1st, when Angel called 911, right? They see the flash.

They hear the banging noise. in their backyard, the one that you just heard, and now they're seeing the creatures. This is after they've gone outside, they've taken the video, they get spooked by seeing something, they run inside, they're all afraid, they all saw something, eight to ten foot tall creature

that resembled an alien. Now they run inside and they call 911. Here's what that sounded like, this original 911 call with Angel and the Las Vegas PD. Okay, and what's going on over there? Okay, lady. Me, my dad, and my brother,

we're working at a truck in our backyard and we have a big lot outside right correct okay we were working and we just see in a corner eye something falls on from the sky and it was with light and then we hear like a lot of footsteps near us and then we have a big a big equipment and we see and there's a there's like an eight-foot person beside it and another one inside and it has big eyes and it's still there okay where is this on your property uh in my in my backyard i swear to god this is not a joke this is actually So there's two people or two subjects that are in your backyard? Correct, and they're very large. They're like eight foot, nine feet, ten foot.

I don't know. They look like aliens to us. Big eyes. They have big eyes like, like I can't explain it. And big out mouth. They're shiny eyes and they're not human. They're 100% that are human. It's sobering really to kind of listen back to that 911 call.

I mean, you hear the fear and the voice. Obviously, you know, look, that was. dissected a lot back in the day, but it was never found to be a hoax. They never had a reason to believe it was a hoax. And one of the reasons why they didn't believe it to be a hoax is because so many people saw the bright green flash and the streaking across the sky, including the cops. And it was caught on dash cam video from one of the police cruisers. We'll get to here in a second as well. But I did want to point something out and touch on what I said at the beginning of this episode, which was the similarities that this had to the Miami Mall case. And again,

I didn't realize it for whatever reason until right now, you know, after I guess connecting the past too, right? You know, I guess maybe it was just so entrenched in so many cases when all this was going on. The Miami Mall goes back to New Year's Day, 2024. So the Miami Mall case, not only in proximity where it was only about seven months removed or seven months later after the Vegas case, but also similar details, right? If you remember, we just went over this in volume one in the previous episode where we talked about or in between the government tranche episode. That was the impromptu episode going over the sixth government drop last week. But talking about the eight to ten foot creatures that were seen in the Miami Mall,

talking about the big eyes, talking about the cloaking ability that they had, phasing in and out of reality, which is another similarity to this one. And one that I spoke about with Scott Roder back in the day. And he touched on a lot saying that there was clear forensic evidence that there was some type of cloaking. Again, clear forensic evidence. I don't want to gloss over that the work that Scott did on this because he really did scientific work. He applied his principles of crime scene investigation and breakdown and applied it to the investigation of the video that the Kenmore family took that night and noticed that there was a shadow going over the fence,

like we said. And you might you might remember that from this case a few years back when it was first happening. But knowing that, and then him, you know, coming to the conclusion that these beings were using cloaking ability, but they weren't working as well as they normally might, that makes us think about the Miami Mall as well. So a lot of similarities, really, you know, big similarities, actually, with some of these details, with the shape, the size, the makeup of these aliens, and supposedly the technology that they were using to attempt a cloak from any human you know,

noticeability, I suppose. But outside of that, knowing that the Miami Mall case wouldn't happen for another seven months after this, it is just interesting, though, to think about, you know, how close they were in date and in detail. Something that I don't think is an accident

and it's worth keeping in mind when considering all this as we dig this one back up today. It's, you know, interesting. Was this the genesis of the Miami Mall case? maybe this, you know, was the beginning of what we saw in Miami seven months later. Never considered that until today, honestly, in connecting these two. I never consider that they might be connected, but here we are.

And I guess that's, you know, again, why I like to dig these back up because new details come to mind, new different dots that we can connect that we didn't think about before. It's pretty interesting to think about how these might be connected. But getting back to that night, May 1st, or I guess morning if you want, after midnight, whatever you want to say, say it was dark out. After the 911 call, what happens, right? Well, naturally, the police come out. And this is where it starts to get really interesting because, well, the whole thing is interesting, but it really starts to get interesting because now they come out to the family,

they come to the home, and they start to ask questions. Now they're having direct interaction with the Kenmore family. And you'll hear the cop in here. He's actually very intrigued because you'll hear him say, my partner saw the same light. So I want to know what's going on. And I'm actually taking this seriously. Here's a good portion here of the interaction they had that night outside of their home. The Kenmore family did not want to go back inside.

They were spooked. They didn't want to be anywhere near the backyard. So they're out front of the house. Okay, they had a big, this isn't like a backyard. You might have a normal house. They had a big construction area back there. So they're outside in the front waiting for the police. They're really nervous.

They're shaking up from this whole thing. So they want nothing to do with the backyard anymore. They're like, we'll just wait out here and hold off until the police come. And the ones they did, here is the interaction that they had. Or part of it, most of it anyway. Did you see it? Yeah, me and him side. What did you see?

It was like a big creature. A big creature? Yeah, like a long 10 feet tall. Because I'm not going to BS you guys. One of my partners said they saw something fall out of the sky too, so that's why I'm kind of curious. Did you see anything land in your backyard or? They see like a big, that way they say. They see like a big, like a big, like a big star in the back.

I see a cat around. I see a cat over there. I'm kind of curious now. I want to know if there's aliens. I was with the iPhone. I'd say, I mean, I want to split. Where did you, where did they go? Well, they see that.

I'm going to show you. Do you have a dirt backyard? Can you show me if there's a, and I'm sorry, did you see them go anywhere? No. No, you didn't. Did they probably go that way? All right.

So a lot of different conversation there. you probably make out some of the backgrounds, you know, the answers there from the Kenmore family when the cop was addressing them directly about all this. And again, you hear it in his voice. He's like, I want to see an alien. Like, he's very intrigued about all this. And we know that they did go to the backyard, but we never saw that footage. We never got the entire, you know, body cam footage from this case to this day, by the way,

over three years later. And there are a lot of people, including Scott Roder, who I mentioned earlier, who has a lot of connections, obviously, in the work that he's done in the past, he was one of them, and there were a lot of people who tried to get the body cam footage from this night, and for whatever reason, we've never been able to obtain the entire body cam footage from that night. Don't know why, because when you listen to the whole thing, it doesn't sound like the cops saw any aliens that night, and you'll hear the rest of that interaction as they were leaving.

So it's very strange as to why we can't see or why we haven't seen any way up till now, three years later, three plus years later, why we haven't seen the rest of the body cam footage from the cops that night. Maybe just some type of privacy thing. It could be simple. Maybe it's nothing nefarious. But the fact of the matter is,

we haven't seen it and they won't give it out. So make of that what you will. But the cops did go back around, and now they start talking to neighbors. They come across one of the neighbors of the Kenmore family. And this is one that's not really brought up a lot. Were the neighbor interactions,

and this was, I thought this was really interesting to look back on as the police now were stopping their neighbors and asking questions about if they saw anything and they're telling them, hey, this is actually something we're taking seriously. Hey, this might sound like a really dumb question, but did you guys see anything fall out of the sky? Yeah. We got a call and one of my partners actually said that they saw it too. so if you happen to see any uh like i'm not b sing you see any no like if you see any like little well not little in this case they're claiming uh eight to nine foot tall green beings that were in their backyard sounds crazy but you never know uh your neighbors your fine neighbors over here uh but again i would normally discount it as probably not real

these neighbors right here yes uh i would normally discounted as nothing however seeing as one of my partners said they saw it too. Only reason I'm actually investigating it further. So if you guys see anything, especially in your backyard, please call 911. We'll come over, okay? All right. And we're hoping that it's maybe just some kids pranking

or doing something stupid. They said they saw something fall from this guy. They checked their backyard and they saw something with like 8 to 9 feet, no clothes, green colored men, not human, with like the eyes were glowing and they did not it was not a human being so yeah uh if you see anything just uh give us a call okay all right so it really incredible to look back on that and i don't think i ever played the entirety of these conversations before so that was something that i really wanted to make a point of doing here today on this cold case file was to really go in depth on

the interactions that night the conversations that were happening in real time with the kenymour family with the cops with their neighbors the investigation that was taking place in real time. And look, they weren't changing their story. You know, they were afraid. They were very nervous about the whole thing. They wanted nothing to do with this. And there's more to that, by the way,

and the after effects of all this. And that actually directly connects as to why I stopped covering this up until today. And depending on what happens, I don't know, maybe something comes to this. Maybe I hear from Scott Rotter again. Maybe something new happens. but I don't plan to intentionally cover this in a full manner like I am today anytime soon. And I'll tell you why.

But first, let me finish off this portion here because the police then went back to the Kenmore family and spoke more about, hey, you know, what's going on here? Can we figure this out? And then you'll hear them give their final goodbye and like, hey, I don't know what else to tell you, but tell us if you see anything. there was the rest of the interaction with the Las Vegas PD that night and the Kenmore family outside the front of their home. Did you guys have, I'm sorry, no surveillance, no video? The camera don't belong to us. That's when the company comes in.

The post, the one of the posts. The landlord got a camera. We don't have access to it, but someone has access to it. See, I said, we'll at all the area and we'll be around here for the night. I'll go to the hotel, man. Yeah. Don't blame you. All right.

man we appreciate calling give us a call if you want to find some aliens well if if those nine foot beings come back into your backyard you call the police and we'll come back here sure okay somebody other people come back don't call us all right deal with yourself I ain't dealing with that I'll try by them way with you guys you guys you're on your own all right let's just regroup over here okay all right so you hear the two cops where his partner came in or one of the other partners came in that night, one of the other deputies and started saying, you're in the background, you're on your own.

We don't want to deal with this if you see him again because everybody was nervous about it. They all saw the light. They believed the Kenmore family. They seemed believable in the moment and they still do because they didn't really have a reason to make it up. If there was no light that night, then maybe there could be a plausible explanation as to, okay, this family's just trying to get attention. Like no one heard anything, no one saw anything. They're the only ones who noticed like a crashing sound in their backyard.

They're the only ones who noticed the light in the sky. That's kind of weird. But everybody saw it. And the bang was picked up audibly like you heard on the ring doorbell camera. So you can't make those things up. Now, everything else, of course, is subjective after that as to what you believe. But that's why I wanted to play those interactions there. I thought that was really important to really kind of dig into those for this cold case episode,

to really look back and get the feel about what it was like that night. But I want to touch on one of the things that the cop was asking there, where he asked the family, did you get any surveillance of this? Do you guys have any cameras around your compound here, your home? And they did say yes, but they didn't own it. A key component here that didn't get a lot of coverage and maybe a forgotten detail, honestly, over the past few years, which is this was not their house. Hey guys, we'll get back to that in just a second,

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you know, we don't have access to the cameras. That's actually something that the landlord has. So not their home, not their cameras. Even if they wanted to see it, they couldn't. Now, furthermore, we never saw that footage. So we never got the body cam footage from Las Vegas PD. Not yet. Maybe one day that comes out.

And we never saw the footage from their home, the surrounding cameras. Two key pieces of evidence that we still have not been able to obtain to this day as we dig up this cold case file. That said, one thing that was found out by our friend Scott Roder here, who like I said, you know, revisiting, did a lot of work on the show going into this case. He actually ended up getting in touch. He was one of the few people outside of some of the local news outlets and a couple of national news outlets who covered this story at first and then just kind of left it alone after a little while after it left the news cycle.

Scott didn't do that. Scott actually seeked out the Kenmore family and he seeked out Angel. And he got to speak to them off the air, never recorded anything. They never wanted to record an interview. outside of the ones that they initially did because they were really afraid of this entire thing and this is where it gets to the point of why I stopped covering it

so one thing is but not necessarily this even though it is a little spooky but one thing that Scott was told back then was that the Department of Homeland Security according to the Kenmore's and what they told Scott DHS showed up to the house and confiscated the camera footage

from that night. Now, again, you don't have to believe that, but that's what they told them. That the the footage was confiscated by Department of Homeland Security. Now, why in the world, okay, if that part of the story is true, let's just for argument's sake, let's assume that part was true, that Angel was telling Scott the truth about that. Why would they care if there was just a meteor flying over and, you know, something crashed into their backyard. Why would they care so much

about going out to grab a piece of meteor, a piece of rock or to investigate their equipment and to say you can't have the footage

of a piece of meteor flying into your backyard? That's kind of weird, right? Why would they care about that? Unless that's not what it was. Again, assuming that part of the story is true, but that's what Angel told him directly.

He also told him something about what they heard. and what they noticed. And this was something that also Scott picked up on on the video when he was looking at the dash cam video of the meteor, so to speak, the light that was seeing that night in the sky. Once he did work on it, he noticed that it was actually decelerating.

Now, a meteor doesn't decelerate, right? Shoots across the sky, that's that. He also was told by Angel and the family that they heard some type of like a whirring sound, like some type of mechanical, like whirling sound. Now, what could that have been? It doesn't sound like a meteor. Again, these are the details that the Kenmore family gave to Scott. This really wasn't anywhere else.

These are the conversations that he had with them off the air that were related to me later on in different conversations. And that's why I wanted to, another reason why I wanted to put this out was to make sure that a lot of this was known. Some of this was put out back in the day when we were talking. talking about it, some of it wasn't. But I want to make sure that this stuff got out there or at least you were reminded of it because these were important details about this case that really kind of, you know, make you wonder a little bit more like what were we dealing with. Now, here's where it got really strange and why I decided maybe I need to step away from

this. This was this was the moment where I started to think about. Could there be a connection between the extraterrestrial phenomena and demonic activity? This one, I don't really like to make the comparison because I believe there is a difference. And maybe in some cases, maybe in some rare cases, you would have demons who present as gray aliens. We've heard about that in exorcisms before. It's a very strange thing. But we've heard about it.

I've even spoken about it here on the show. But we know that there are people. out there who staunchly believe that when we were talking about aliens we're talking about demons. I think for the most part those are two separate entities. But

when it came to this, there were a couple of things that really spooked me. And that's the reason why I stopped kind of digging into this. One of the reasons was because of what Angel told Scott about the

activity that they were feeling that night after the police left. So we had all the interaction there. We had the 911 one call. We have the body cam footage that we were able to obtain anyway coming out from that. And then that was it. What happened afterward? Well, we end up finding out that Angel and his family actually experienced supernatural,

paranormal activity. They did talk about it, not only was Scott, but they did do an interview on it with a local news station. And this is the only one I could find. There might be more out there, but this is the only one I could find where Angel actually talks about this on the news. Here's a couple of things, one of the things that they noticed, immediately following that night. Well, I was in another room. My brother coming. There was an upside down cross, and there was a Jesus statue in it. They ripped Jesus out of it. It threw across the room, and it was floating upside down. So, yeah, that's not something you normally hear about when it comes to

alien activity where you have what normally you would hear about with demonic activity quite frankly where you have religious articles being manipulated the cross turning upside down of course that's that in itself is a demonic symbol the upside down cross the the statue of jesus on the cross being ripped off from the wood and thrown across the room this is a major major poltergeist activity that angel was explaining there He also spoke about in that interview the pages of his Bible in the house that the Bible would open up and the pages would turn on their own. Just inside a room with no wind, no fan going, just inside a normal, you know, room of the house with no explanation as to how that Bible was opening and the pages would be flipping. Again, creepy, weird, the type of stuff you would hear with, you know, some type of poltergeist activity, some type of demonic possession. That's what was happening there with them.

And then what they related to Scott in their conversations was that when they, and we did talk about this one time, but that they got back into the house that night and they felt such a heavy presence of evil that they began to freeze with fear. They couldn't move at this feeling that they had that they had. they were surrounded by evil. And I'm telling you, this is where it got really too much for me. Okay? And then they had to start praying to get released from it. And where it really went over the edge for me. And I'm sorry if this is creepy, but this is, I thought, a very important part to cover

when it came to digging this one back up. If I'm going to dig a case back up like this, I need to have a specific reason other than just reminding of it. I mean, that is a good enough reason on its own. but I also want to present something different. I want to present a new point of view or maybe something we didn't notice before. Okay. And I think I've done that here today with some of those recordings and especially with what we're doing now.

Really kind of a personal look. What happened to me? What happened to Scott? This is something that's never been revealed before. And it almost, we almost stopped talking about it completely, but we ended up doing one more episode after this. Scott and I, again, Scott Roder, were talking on the phone. We had a lot of phone conversations outside of the thing, you know, again, three to five interviews that we did here on the show. And in one of the conversations that we had, he just sounded different. He sounded tired.

He sounded sick. I'll never forget this because it freaked me out. And he told me that he's been physically affected by going through the video footage. Because he went through that stuff frame by frame. Painstaking work. He went through it frame by frame doing forensic video work on it to figure out if something was really in there. And according to his work, there was multiple creatures actually. And he felt like at that point when I was talking to him,

that he had been I guess is there such a thing as a minor possession that there was something that I would call it more of an attachment was the way that he explained it to me that's from the work he was doing on he really immersed himself in that video that the family took that night

to go frame by frame and try to find the evidence and according to what he was experiencing at that point he started experiencing strange things in his life in his home and in his health. And he felt like he had a demonic attachment from doing too much work on this case and from digging frame by frame into that video.

And he told me straight up, I can't do this anymore. I'm sorry. Like, I know you want to have me back on to talk about this and to present the evidence that I found and I can't do it. I'm sorry. And I understood. I said, dude, this is not something I want to mess with. I'm with you.

If you're out, I'm out. I don't want to mess with this. I draw a line. Okay. I have to draw a line somewhere, and this is where I usually end up drawing it is when it comes to anything demonic. I do not mess with it because it is real. And yeah, so I'll just leave it at that. But time went on and he was able to come out of it and he decided to jump back in.

So we did one more episode where he presented the final evidence. Now, what made me go away from it too was when I was looking at these pictures initially and I still have this. feeling and I still get chills when I think about it. When I saw the pictures that he presented, I didn't want to see them until we were doing the show recorded live, how I do all my UAP episodes. I didn't want to see them until then. He offered to send them to me. I said, no, I want to react live as we record.

And when I saw them, I had full-bodied chills because it felt like the images that he caught, to me, it felt like I was looking at a demon. and you could say that there was something it was ready in my mind so it was already a power of suggestion and all these different things that was convincing myself of it

I wasn't I'm here to tell you right now I wasn't I did not come in with any preconceived notions I just quite honestly I didn't believe him if you want me to 100% upfront with you I thought he was kind of losing it and I'm sorry to say that Scott if you're listening I'm sorry I never said that to him before

because I didn't want to be rude I always want to be polite and take it for what it's worth and try it to decide later. But I was like, okay, you know, this, maybe this isn't working out anymore. I think maybe he's looked at this too much. Maybe you're losing it or you really are experiencing something. And if that's the case, then I don't want to touch it. But for the most part, when we came into recording that episode that day where he was going to present the pictures that he had found of these creatures in the backyard from that night. In my head, I was thinking this is going to be probably a bit.

bust. All I'm going to see is some blurry pixels and not see anything. And that's not what happened in those episodes. And you can go back and find them if you want on any of the UAP archives there with UAP podcast and also on the UAP podcast on YouTube. Because I believe I do have that video up there where I got freaked out. And it affected me not to the point where, you know, God forbid I had an attachment by any means, but it affected me in a way where I was really disturbed because I felt like I was seeing a demon. And I wasn't expecting that. I wasn't even expecting to see anything. Like I said, I thought this was going to be a bust. Okay. I've never expressed this before. But that's why I wanted to do this. One of the reasons why I wanted to

dig this one back up was to put out these personal reflections about what was going on behind the scenes and the conversations we were having, what we were each experiencing in the supernatural aspect of things when it came to this case. So I say all this because it has to, it has to, you know, has to be considered. When you talk about what Angel felt that night where they got frozen with fear inside their house and, you know, things started flying around the house and the Bible and the cross going upside down and they had to pray. And they actually ended up moving. They didn't leave that that house long after that. They moved. They never told anybody where they moved. They never wanted to do any more interviews because they felt like there was a possession.

That's why you never heard from the Kenmore family again. And that's why I stopped talking about it. it ended with the final episode that's gotten I did that that time and at that point they didn't want to talk about it anymore he was done and I was done because they felt like they were dealing with something that was not of this world and I'm not talking about aliens we're talking about something else okay so make it that what you will but that's why they stopped talking about it and that's why quite frankly I stopped covering it here and I even answered the question I did a move on leading a move on meeting for the Florida chapter not too long ago. And there was, it was open the questions. And one of the members asked me about this case because they remember me covering it. And I actually told them at that point, it was like, I've never really spoken about it before. But that case was the only one of all the things I've spoken about. That one, this one here today, is the only one that scared me because of the demonic portion of it. and the turn that it ended up taking that I was not expecting that I thought was, you know, okay, they're going overboard here.

But then when I experienced it, I was like, okay, there might be something weird going on here that does it connect to the alien phenomenon? Is it something separate? But that's why whenever it comes up or aliens, demons, I say mostly that it's something separate, but there could be some type of crossover there that we can't fully explain.

and I also can't help but to wonder when it comes to what they saw because they didn't mention grays. They mentioned greenish skin. And looking at some of the pictures from the past, it does make me wonder the way their faces looked. Are we dealing more with reptilians than we were, than, you know, tall grays? And I ask that because a lot with reptilians, people talk about very negative experiences. So when you talk about a possible demonic connection given all of the deeds, details here personally and in conversations with Scott and what Angel and his family has said. I actually wonder, maybe this wasn't a case of Grays at all. Maybe this was, if we're talking about

some type of, you know, demonic connection, maybe we're talking about reptilians and are reptilians closer to demons than they are towards extraterrestrials. So just kind of thinking out loud here, given the details of the case. So again, kind of giving that backstory for the first time publicly. and, you know, maybe it's, maybe it's kind of weird. Maybe it's off-putting. Maybe you're not sure how to react to that, but that is something that I've held as far as the in-depth, how in-depth that went on that side of things.

Kind of the, well, not kind of, it is the first time I'm putting that out in depth like that here anywhere, let alone the show. I've never said it on social media, never said it in any interviews. So that's one thing that I wanted to make sure I got across here when we, or so, you know, when I did. decided to dig this one back up for a cold case files episode.

An important piece to add to the puzzle because that is what it continues to be as we kind of settle in on this one and, you know, kind of land the plane on it, so to speak. Where are we with it now? I mean, do we have any answers to it? And the fact is, no. A lot of people will say, well, you know, there was nothing there to see. obviously we present some of the facts of the case here and

gave you that backstory so it's up to you if that's what you want to walk away with it from you know nothing to see here let's move on there's a reason why we stop talking about it because it was nonsensical that's what you want to go with it then that's up to you the way I see it is something happened there that night it made them very

uncomfortable it changed their lives for the worst they moved away they don't want to talk about it they don't want to deal with it and I know that for a fact so why have that reaction if it's something that was totally, you know, nonsense. And if it was nothing to see here, why would it change their lives the way that it did,

which is a lot of negative happened to them after that? To me, that shows that something did happen because it's either one big giant ruse and they had to create some image in the sky for everybody else to see across three states and then make up a story from it. And the loud bang was something completely different, not something crashing in their backyard.

There's a lot of facets to this where we would have to say that it's one big giant hoax. I don't even think that argument makes sense. Maybe a case of mistaken identity. Maybe it was paranoia. Maybe it was hysteria that caused all these things. How does they cross flip upside down and things fly around the house? Again, maybe if you want to try to explain it, maybe it just didn't happen. Maybe they're lying about it.

But there's a lot of unanswered questions that remain with this case. but I felt it was important enough to bring up here today to bring these facts and these details and these testimonies back to light, mix it in with the things that I had never revealed before personally and within those conversations, and then kind of let it lie once again and say, are we ever truly going to get the answers and find out what happened there that night of May 1st, if you will, morning of May 1st, 2023 in the backyard of the Kenmore's in Las Vegas. I hope so. I hope we do get some clear answers here at some point. Maybe we see the footage that's been taken.

Or maybe we see the footage that hasn't come out yet. Or maybe we'll hear from Angel or somebody for the Kenmore family to get more of a story one day. But for right now, that's where it all lies for now. And I appreciate you coming back here to relive this case here out of Las Vegas and maybe try to figure some more things out as we. we go along and listen to some of these details and some of the new details again here on UAP. But with all that said, continue to follow along here on social media.

I know a little bit, that kind of a little heavy there at the end, but that's the way it is. You know, I never try to hide anything from you until at least it's the right time to bring it out like we did here today. So follow along social media on anywhere you get your podcasts, all the major platforms, just search UAP and on YouTube, UAP podcast. You can find it. at UAPodcast 850

and feel free to send any messages to those channels as well and I'll do my best to get back to you and through email S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at gmail.com It's S-D-N-R-U-A-P at gmail.com. Coming up here next though, I do want to, of course, do more cold case files.

I want to dig into the history of Iran. There is a case out of Iran that I mentioned here before in passing when it comes to 1976, a famous case that took place there. And there's a lot more to it, though, than what I've covered here on the show. So I want to dig up a case from 1976 out of Iran and talk about how it

relates to things that we see and hear today. So I'm looking forward to putting that together might take me a little bit of time because there's a lot of angles to it. So I will get that together for Volume 3 of Cold Case files here on UAP. But I'm also looking forward to bringing you a couple of interviews coming up as well. Speaking with Patrick Jackson, the researcher of the Sphere Network. He's written a couple of books on it. He talks a lot about it on social media and he talks about how he knows what's going on with the orbs and it all connects to something called the Sphere Network. If you've never heard his theories before, stick around for that one coming up in the next week or so. You'd be really, really fascinated by

Patrick Jackson and the evidence that he has to present on something that he calls the Sphere Network. And it actually does have some supernatural aspects to it as well, which, is interesting considering what we spoke about here today. So looking forward to that. And also very much looking forward, like really, really looking forward to bringing you a brand new account of an experiencer. I spoke to someone named Jace. And we only use the first name here because of some security concerns on his end,

given his background. You'll hear what I'm talking about when we get there on the episode. But you're going to hear from an experiencer named Jase. and just completely and totally enthralling and fascinating story, especially given his background and his outlook and the way he tells the story. I can't wait for you to hear it. It's got everything. I mean, it has contact, 101 contact with a presumed extraterrestrial.

It has presumed abductions, implants, sites that he saw at different, black sites, if you will, in the United States. United States. I mean, this, this has everything. When I tell you, it has everything, it has everything. And I'm so happy that he has decided to come out just a normal everyday guy. This isn't someone you've heard about before on any show or documentary or anything like that. It is not a whistleblower in front of Congress, nothing like that. This is a normal everyday guy with a family and a career. And he has decided to come out and talk for the first time about his experiences and then things that he saw later on in his life, in his work.

So this is going to be really big. It's something completely new. And I can't wait for you to hear it exclusively, literally, exclusively here on UAP. So a lot there here today with this Vegas case and with things to look forward to coming up on the show. Really, really big stuff going on here nowadays in the UAP realm of things and here, UAP the show. So looking forward to all that. But thank you again for joining here on the show today.

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