UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 234 New Experiencer Revelations part 2: Gray's, Goblins, & The MiB

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Stephen Diener continues his exclusive sit down with the newly revealed experiencer, Jas. Did he have an alien implant that was removed through surgery, only to have it taken by the fabled Men in Black? What did the gray alien "say" to him when they locked eyes? And how do we explain what he witnessed while working at military installations in Nevada? All of this and much more is discussed during this shocking and conclusive episode...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, welcome back in to you AP. Stephen Dean are back with you here. As always, on the Unidentified Alien podcast. Episode number 234 is here, and it is part two of our conversation with the brand new experiencer account that we're getting here from a man named Jace. And if you didn't listen to part one, and you're just kind of jumping in right now, it might sound a little bit out of place at first. So initially, I will just say you might want to listen to part one,

first because it's going to make this one flow a little bit better. That would be my suggestion. But if you want to go in reverse, that's up to you as well. You can just put it all together from there because we're going to start off where exactly where we left off at the end of part one, which was when Jase mentioned that he had a surgery and they took out, he had a lot of knee pain. And through that surgery, they took out three metal pins or shard looking things out. his knee and that removed the pain. Presumably, we kind of came to the conclusion, or maybe conclusion is the wrong word, but the consensus on the idea that those were possible implants from the very possible

abductions that he was experiencing earlier in life. If you remember when he spoke about the triangle flying overhead for him and his friend, and then they experienced missing time after that, the bright lights that would enter into his room pretty frequently. So there was a lot going on in that first part there. That's why I say if you haven't heard it, you might want to dive into that first. There was a lot going on that first part that led us to believe that there was a high probability that Jace may have been experiencing one or multiple alien abductions in his childhood and his adolescent years,

which would lead us to the belief as to how and why the... metal shards kind of showed up in his leg were those implants. So of course, that was the thinking there when it came to that surgery and the removal of those pieces from his knee. And interestingly enough, where we left off, he said he saw

some strange-looking characters, some guys dressed in dark suits. Maybe not exactly black suits, but dark suits. And that's where we left off and that's where we're going to pick it up. Because now we're talking about a possible run-in

with maybe the fabled men in black, and it goes from there. You'll see we go into his career, what he saw during his stints working at different military bases and complexes. Very, very intriguing details there. A sighting that he had with his family. So this wasn't just him anymore. It's a siding that he had with his family. There's a lot to pay attention to here in this part two. New experiencer and new story here from our new friend, Jace, right now.

part two on UAP. Shuff her right back into it right now. Enjoy. And my mom's like, well, I'm go grab some food real quick. I'll be right back. And so she left the room and I kind of dozed back off. And when I woke up, those guys were gone and it wasn't very long.

So my mom came back shortly after she had her diet Coke and a sandwich. And the jar was gone and still were the guys. Wow. So just like that. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's, sounds so far fetch and i can understand if people are like no what wow but no it it was the weirdest things i never saw anybody like that again uh why would guys be sitting standing in the recovery how could they have gotten in there first off uh yeah look right at me and then i might wake up you know 10 15

minutes laterish probably uh my jar is gone and for they that's incredible and i never asked my mom where's my jar she was oh i don't know it was here and it's just gone you know you know ever saw it again that was it ever i did talk to the surgeon about it uh after my my post stop visit um he asked me i had them like well i told them said they they're gone i didn't tell what happened yeah uh they're gone and he's like oh he's like there was this i remember him saying it was the strangest thing he was like when i dropped them in the cup they were metallic or they were magnetic and they all like clung together and uh and i was like that that's interesting so but i mean my leg after that after that surgery my leg never got was never the same

I still have a lot less muscle on my left leg than I do on my right. And I work out. I say active, but it's never was never the same. But I don't have that pain that I had either, which is nice. Right, right. I mean, it's an incredible story, Jason. I mean, because obviously you go from, you know, essentially sounding like you had some type of implants in your leg. Again, just going based off experience here from my own, you know, investigations in the past.

It sounds like you went from. direct contact with a possible extraterrestrial and then abductions, multiple abductions, and then implants in your leg. And these are just, again, my assumptions, you know, based off of my own previous work on things like this. Maybe this is all wrong. Maybe this is all happenstance. Maybe there's perfectly easy explanations to all the things you just said.

But it matches, it just so happens to match many other stories that end up going. going towards encounters, abductions, and implants. And you have these shards, if you will, taken out of your leg. And then what some people might say were men in black. Now you said dark suits, two of them, right? Were they two, three, four, one, two. And then all of a sudden they happened to be in a recovery room at the hospital you're at. And those things that were in your leg are now gone.

You see how this all sounds very, very odd. And like, you know, your classic case of abduction, men in black implants. I mean, did all that come to you while this was going on in your life? Or did it have to set in and then you kind of had to come to terms like, hey, I'm experiencing something that most people would call science fiction? You know, I never jumped to any kind of conclusion. It was kind of came to that. You know, I tried, you know, for a while, I just was trying to get better. But I was like, you know, what's going on here?

What, what, what has happened? And I never, again, I never really had to connect the dots like, oh my gosh, moment. But just as my life went on, I'm like, this is weird. Well, that's kind of weird. Wow. That's kind of one thing led to another might. I don't have very many other conclusions I could come to. Then something unusual happened.

And they probably were connected or are connected. Just just a weird might sound out of the box kind of question. But do you remember if they were wearing hats at all? They were, actually. They were. Okay. Yeah. Because I was raised, you don't wear a hat inside.

And that really stood out to me. And they, they were the old-timey hats. And I've seen people try to be dapper. So I'm like, okay. Well, all right. Maybe there's guys trying to be dapper. Again, I'm not putting a label on them because I can't say for certain, right? but they definitely looked old-timey dapper

and they were tall. They were, I won't say abnormally tall, but they were definitely more than six foot. Okay, yeah, and that was the reason why... Yeah, there's a reason why I ask that because that's usually how the men of blacker described, dark suits with that type of old-timey, you know, brimmed hat, which is what it sounds like it was.

I assume we're not talking about baseball caps. No, no, it was definitely a... brimmed hat that you would see like if you watch i love lucy or something you would that's kind of like i always um stupid but i always like think back to like rickie ricardo or something you know like sure sure that's kind of like the vision i would get like they were like that timely looking hat yeah i don't like a lot of the old tv shows but that's just kind of what sticks out to me like i love lucy kind of hat right yeah again specific why i brought that up i know it sounded weird but yeah that's that's a very important detail i did want to ask just from the

there, right? You've had these experiences your whole life from that first time there at the lake in the early 90s at around eight or nine years old. And now here you are, you know, these all these years later, 30 plus years later, um, which I know it's depressing for me too because I remember 1991 very clearly, but that's right. We're getting older. Um, but you know, 30 plus years later, what can you say about what you've experienced since then? Did you see any more creatures? Are you still seeing lights in your room now that you, you know, you got married since and no separated like you said since then but you have your own kids like how did things develop since then yeah honestly i would say that it has slowed down to a crawl um i don't really

see the lights anymore um it's been a few years um i feel like i do sometimes but again there's probably light pollution at this point uh but i don't i still see things in the sky pretty regularly and i saw there was one other occasion and i had several other witnesses with me. We had a farm on top of the hill outside of town. And there was only two farms around us, right? And there's a lot of rock quarries, a lot of caves in our area. And I was standing out upstairs, and it was a really, really, really tall, old, old house. And so you could look down on everything. And when I looked at towards the barn, we saw a bunch of lights in the guy, myself, my former in-laws and my ex-wife and one of my kids, one of my older kids.

And we're all upstairs. We look out the window because there's all these lights going on. What the frick? And we see this crazy, like, almost like a fireball going to across our neighbor's field. And first I'm thinking, oh, he's out there working the field's really late. Because it was dark, really, really dark. And I'm like, that's, I didn't realize it wasn't that because it was this thing going across the yard or across the field and uh like that's really weird and uh then we look i look over to the left uh our property and the barn from the window to the barn was probably i say 150 200 feet um at most and they were like these gray looking only thing i can call them like goblin looking things um and there's a couple of them there i don't remember exactly how many but they were like

running around the barn. And I'm thinking at first, I'm thinking, did the goats get out? But you can look across the field and you can see where the goats were all huddled in the corner, and which was very unusual for goats. And there were no other animals that could be. And they were in manicured lawn area around the barns. The barn was not back in the field. It was in our top of our hilltop. And we parked our cars there for crying out loud. So it was a manicured lawn. and they were they were running around on two legs but they kind of looked like kind of hunched over kind of goblin looking and we all saw them and my in-law is it was funny because she's now passed away but my former mother-law said she's like that is the strangest thing I've ever seen I've never never believed anything that I couldn't explain so I can't explain that wow and it was just weird but that was the last one I've ever saw I saw a creature and how long ago is that I've seen I've since seen a white It seems like that was, gosh, about 10 years ago. Okay.

About 10 years ago. And so this was something that's, again, what really makes that remarkable is it wasn't just you this time, right? I mean, you're there with your then-in-laws, your then-wife, you're one of your kids. This was a, if you will, a mass siding of strange creatures that you all could not explain. That's something. Yeah. Wow. And the weird, the crazy thing is years and years later.

it was actually this documentary that came out. And I talked to the Mufon about about that. And I eventually talked to a Mufon person about my experiences. They're the only other people I've actually spoken to, but I knew they would keep me confidential. Sure. And I took them to the spots. I told them, and they're like, this is unbelievably credible.

You're in a very big hot spot for activity. And so they came, and I show them all the places I've talked to you about, I showed them every last one of the locations. and they wanted to, they were willing to pay for a, uh, uh, uh,

hypnosis. Okay. And I, I debated whether I go forward with that. But then the guy that was working with, he moved away. They gave the case somebody else, it kind of fell off the,

fell off the earth. Well, I've not really tried bringing it back. So it still felt kind of weird to talk about it. But years later, a show I ran across on a streaming service called, uh, was it the hellier?

Hillier files or, um, and the creatures that they showed on that show matched to a T what we saw. That's interesting. To a T. And the, the funny thing with that is that's not very far from us. Huh. Where they were, where they were doing their investigation. But that, that show, um, I watched that. That my oldest daughter watched it and she called me.

She's like, dad, that is what we saw. It's absolutely what we saw. And I'm like, maybe. And so I watched it and yeah, it's definitely what I saw. That's incredible. I mean, so that there was all to gain. Right, right, right. So, I mean, that that became clear to you at that point that, okay, this was something,

according to this show, it matches what I saw. So I must have seen something out of this world. I mean, did you come to that conclusion or were you still like, I'm not really sure? There's a part of me that still not really sure, but I am sure. but I'm the kind of person I really I want evidence in front of me I want absolute solid proof of things my background

I want everything I question everything I take everything with a grain of salt but some of the things I've seen in my work career some of it matches some of it matches wow

what were the main differences and again you know maybe it was harder to see this time because it was at night it's a little bit further away. But can you talk about differences from the first creature you saw when you were kids who that night with those goblin-like creatures? Totally different. It's like seeing a mouse than seeing an elephant. Okay. And the stark differences. First off, the shorter creatures that we saw at the farm, they were only maybe three foot tall. Maybe three feet tall. They were kind of hunched a little

bit, think kind of like weird goblin looking thing with a long pointed years. And really, I remember they had really, they had big eyes. And we had a dust dawn light outside. So it was, it was lit well enough to see things. And they were just the weirdest looking things I've ever seen. And they moved really quick, like really quickly. Whereas when I was a kid, I saw this tall, skinny thing. these things were short and kind of somewhat rotund, not like super, super fat, but they were also kind of muscular like. Their arms were like skinny and long. Their legs were kind of skinny, but the torso was kind of larger. Whereas when I saw a kid, when as a kid, everything was skinny on this thing. It was tall. It was skinny. It was spindly. And frankly, it had this air of more intelligence about it than then those little scurrying things that were, I want to say skulking about.

They weren't really skulking in that they didn't seem like they were trying to be all secretive. And whereas the first one seemed like it was more skulking. It was trying to be secretive. Incredible. In my mind, that's what I envision. Sure, sure. Going back to that one, the one that you saw when you were a kid, you said you locked eyes with it. Do you remember feeling anything at all, Jace?

Like, what did you feel emotionally just, you know, in your bones, fear? peace, anything that you can remember feeling specifically when you guys locked eyes? Actually, I do. Again, it's never this like scared feeling. It was more like spooked. But the feeling that I got when I clearly looking at it and it was definitely looking at me was the scene. And it's going to sound stupid probably. But I want you.

You felt, you felt, I don't know if that makes sense. Like come here, come to me. I want you. I want you. Yeah, and it's the weirdest, like the feeling, again, I don't, I don't care people believe me or not. That's what I felt. No, it was like it wanted, it wanted me. Like, it wanted me to go to it or, or it wanted to take me.

I don't know. I can't say which one it was, but that's what, and that's really why I, I remember watching, staring, trying to stare at it. Because it made, like, when I, when we locked those eyes and I thought that, or I felt that anyway, it went behind that tree. I had that feeling still. But I was so, like, spooked. Like, I don't want to go with this thing. I walked backwards up a hill. And I did not turn around until I was at my back door.

And that's a long way. And I wish I could send you a picture if you want, but like to show you where I live not too far from the house. It happened at. But it's a big backyard. And I walked backwards all the way up that hill because I was scared. And again, not scared, but like I didn't want to go with this thing. Like it spooked me. It freaked me out.

And well, that's what I think. felt. That's really amazing. You said you mentioned you went out there with some Mufon officials. Did they ever do any physical testing on that area? Or you said you know the branch. The branch is still there. The tree is still there. Did they ever do any physical testing on that to find any traces of anything? No, not at all. Okay. I took them there. They took some pictures. He got out. I remember he did some measurements, but it was mostly a lot of, a lot of pictures. And he was very, front he wasn't like being create like mean he's like I am I do have plans on moving soon I will have to transition this to the the next representative when that time comes and I was like okay that's fine

yeah I mean you guys asked me if you could come out here I didn't ask you to come out here and uh and it felt good to getting it off my chest yeah and it felt good that I was speaking to somebody that he was very he was very skeptical at first which is a great way to be yeah always start with the simplest, most reasonable explanation. And then what you're left with after everything else is a pretty good representation of what really happened. Or you can say something happened. We can't explain it. But he was asking all the right questions. You're asking all the right questions. You're asking the questions I would ask. And I'd never ask anybody to believe me. I never don't really talk about it. But yeah, I wish they would have done samples. But as many years

that have passed, I wonder if anything would still be there. Right. Frankly. Right. What type of residue could still be found? You did address hypnosis. I was going to ask you if you had ever thought about or undergone any type of hypnotic regression at all. But it sounds like you've thought about it, but you haven't quite pulled the trigger on that one.

So I was curious. I haven't. And when they offered to pay for it, they were going to have me go up to England, Chicago. And they were going to pay for everything. but I was like, I don't know. And so I kind of drag my feet on it. And now that I think I would do it, but I wouldn't do it at my own expense, enough medical bills as it is.

Right, right. Yeah. Understandable for sure. Really just, again, remarkable. I am so confident in my experience is that I believe that some interesting things would come out. I just don't know what would. Right. Right.

So, you know, I'm sure there's still a little apprehend. there for you maybe there isn't you know I shouldn't assume but I do assume there's something right there is apprehension okay because you might you're probably have you know a little bit fearful about what you might uncover am I wrong about that? Oh you're absolutely right I had some friends that were in a war Middle East and and they did some hypnosis trying to get rid of some things some thoughts and some memories they they had it's kind of a last ditch effort and uh they ended up coming out with a lot worse and it made them worse. Wow. It definitely made them remember things, things that they didn't want to. Wow. How about that? So then I have these things like, I don't really know what happened to me and what would come out.

At least they knew more or less what was what was possible. So there is apprehension there. Yeah. And I don't blame you. I would feel the same way. Do you know of any family history for yourself, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, whatever, cousins, that had similar experiences to you, or do you feel like you were the first in your family to have something like this happened? I'll be honest. I'm definitely the first one I know about my family that has had it, these experiences.

There's one other person he's no longer living that I feel like probably did. He had a certain interest in these kind of things. And he died when I was young. It was my grandpa. And other than that, no, I think I'm, I mean, certainly the only one is to talk about it. Okay.

But I don't really bring it up to my family either because they, by and large, are, have the same mindset that my friend did where it's, it's just demons. Right, right. You know, that's the default go-to answer. Right. And then that's a whole other discussion. Yeah, exactly. And you did say you still see lights like you see lights in the sky, not necessarily shining

in your room, but you still see things in the sky to this day? Yeah. I do. I do. Different shapes or all the time. Right. But it's, it's probably more than as normal, do you want to call it that. It's just so compelling to hear your testimony on this. Again, just coming from a normal everyday guy and, you know, I extrapolate that out. How many other people are there like you who have never spoken about things like this before? And you just have such an incredible experience. Whether somebody wants to believe it or not, whether they think you're making it up or not, they can make up their own mind on that,

giving your background that you gave us and the details that you're giving. and your own skepticism, which I appreciate. But still, just incredible to consider all the details you've given to here today. I do want to ask you, and I think I probably know the answer to it, but can you give us any type of indication to the things that you've seen on jobs? And I ask it this way. You may or may not be familiar with the name D.C. Long. It kind of goes back to the old days, if you will, of UAP.

D.C. long was someone who was, for anybody who doesn't know who it is, and maybe you are familiar, so if you are, I apologize for the double information. But for anybody who isn't, D.C. long was somebody who came on here about three years ago, I think, about three years ago, give or take, someone that was a whistleblower at a disclosure press conference in Washington, D.C. back in the summer of 2023. And his story was, he was, I believe, an Army Ranger, if I remember correctly. and his father was a government contractor, and he worked at different government sites with his dad, and they came across something they weren't supposed to see

at one of the government sites, which was levitation technology, and they were on sites, I believe, in North Carolina at Fort Bragg, if I remember correctly, the story. It's been a few years since I spoke to D.C. And they came across this, like, monolithic stone, he mentioned it being, being levitated off the ground. And they were told,

were told to sign NDAs and not to talk about it. They didn't want to sign the NDAs before you know if their lives were ruined. So that's one thing that I think about when it comes to government contracting and what you may or may not see on the site. Can you talk about anything? Did you see anything like that?

Or can you talk about anything that you just mentioned as being strange relating to the phenomenon that might be reverse engineer technology or craft or beings that you may have seen while on site on jobs? Yeah, I can definitely talk about some of the things that I dealt with or saw. But I was at a site in Nevada, and it's not the typical site that people think of.

And I was working at an agency out there. And there was this big, I'm called a hangar, but a big warehouse. It wasn't quite a hanger. But I was there to install some audio video systems to upload data from, patrol vehicles and Humvees and the like, wirelessly upload that data to their evidence servers. And while I had to be in one of the server rooms to work on it, and I was escorted around.

I'd been there a couple times before, so I had some rapport, but still security was relatively tight. And we were walking past some doors that lay down on this corridor that had never been down. It was a typical bright hallway, no really nondescript except on when you look when I looked down through those doors they were opened down there there is a few three or four people but they weren't really they weren't really people for lack of better terms they did have clothes on but their faces were just there was not right

there was something not right about them and they were talking to a military person and that was definitely in military garb he had had some BDUs on. But they all kind of looked down at me and they quickly turned around and walked down further away down the hall. That was one of the things I saw. It was like and again, maybe it was just they happened to be some really short people that had some deformities.

Okay, that's possible. Odd that they were working in a secured zone of a military installation. But one of the other things I did see. and again it was actually at the same facility. It was on another trip out that way. And I was installing some antennas on top of the building. Again, four vehicles. They had switched the system.

And so I needed a little more powerful antenna. So I was up on top of the building. And looking down across the field, there was this runway, but it was just like this, but it wasn't a runway. In that it didn't have a typical tarmac. It goes over to a control tower. or what have you. And there was this,

it scared me. But it was a triangular, triangular shaped craft, not like the one I saw. It was all black, but it was sitting there right above the ground. It was levitating. Again, you go to the levitation thing. It was hovering above the ground,

but there was no propulsion unit that you could see. Nothing. It was just there. No one was around it. Nothing was going on with it. We're out in the middle of the desert. and it's just sitting there. And I thought, okay, I have to be seeing things.

But it spooked me, the shape spook me, because it harkened back to why I remember seeing as a kid. But it wasn't the same color, didn't have the lights on it. It was just black, just hovering. And it was definitely above the ground enough where you could see if there were wheels or something, you would see what's holding it there. But it was just hovering and not moving. Wow.

But those are two things that really stick out to me that, um what was it was a technology that we don't know about well obviously it probably well it is but and what were those creature looking people things in that hallway wow um real quick on the triangle did you notice anything in the middle of it jace or were you taught just just a flat black triangle um i was seeing it from the top down so there was nothing in the middle on top of it if there was something on the bottom of it i didn't see it okay the one i saw as a kid it had had a white light right in the middle of it. Okay, okay.

And no sound to this thing? It was just floating there? Just floating. No hum like that. I remember as a kid. But again, I was far enough away where maybe I would have heard it. Maybe I wouldn't have. So there was no indication of any kind of sound it was making.

And so that was the end of it. You just saw it floating. You did your job and you came back down. And you never saw it take off or anything like that. No, I never saw it. I never saw it. at all, but I got my job done and I, and I, I didn't, I was, I wanted to watch this thing. I really wanted to watch it.

But I also was like, crap, I'm probably seeing something I'm not supposed to be seeing right now. Right. It's not too many people are allowed on top of the roof. Right. And, and I, I would like to chalk it up as a mistake on their part for letting me see something that I shouldn't have seen. But I was glad I saw it and knowing that like in some way, shape, or form the two things I'd seen.

I saw that after I saw the creature things. Like, okay, now there's something weird about this. And I had heard stories about that site before, before I ever went. And I was the only one allowed for my, for my company to go to this place to go where I was anyway. And it was just, I don't know. It was, it was freaky. Yeah. It was freaky.

Yeah. And this was in Nevada, you said, right? Nevada. Yep. Yep, but it was in northern Nevada. Okay. I can say that. So I guess what I'm getting at is this wasn't Area 51.

This was somewhere else. No. I have some experience at Grim Lake facility is all I can say. Okay. And I went to Vegas several times. Okay. Incredible. And real quick, just the last thing on those things you saw in the hallway, you mentioned they were short, kind of bulbous.

but but in were they a military garb or like scientific coats like what did you notice no they were they were just they were wearing like uh white lab coats okay and they were short like three feet tall probably probably four foot i would say okay i would say so yeah um they looked like kind of like little people but there was three of them then talking to a regular size joe blow wearing uh military uniform and uh but they didn't look right like the faces just they were humanoid looking, but they weren't, you could definitely look out until something was different. Yeah, why, why is that? What made you feel that this isn't a normal human I'm looking at?

What did you notice about them that made you have that thought? The faces were more round and they, they were very, very, very, very, very pale. They weren't gray. They were just very, very, very pale. Huh. And it just, they just stuck out to me. Their eyes were bigger. But they had noses.

They had mouths. so they were they were just not right i don't know and it doesn't really it's not descriptive but the heads were really round their eyes were big uh they had a face and a nose or a mouth in a nose uh very short um but just super pale it's like they'd never been out in the sun like ever but were they were they just like normal human eyes or were they just like normal human eyes with where you can see like the whites of their eye or were they all but one color Oh, they were, they were like human eyes. Okay. Just really big.

Yeah, it's really big. But they were like human eyes. It was, it was just really strange. It was very strange. It almost sounds like they were like, you know, they live underground. Were you underground at that facility when you saw them? If I was, I didn't know it. Okay.

But it was big. But I was inside of a, inside a facility, inside a warehouse. It's entirely possible that it was underground. But that would be a good. way of describing them, though, like they lived in a cave or something. Right. Right. Like they had these, like an evolution to see in the dark or something. Yeah, it's certainly possible.

I'm not necessarily describing that to them, but it would make sense. Man, if you and I lived in the cave forever, we'd probably get pretty white and big eyed too. Right, exactly. Right. That's it. Jace, this has been, like, there's still so much I would love to talk to you about and ask you questions. Your stories are truly remarkable. your candor, your openness to talk about it is extremely appreciated and brave, quite frankly, and I really can't appreciate enough how much time you've taken to talk to us about this year today on UAP to give your story for the first time here.

Of course, everybody can make about what they will. But again, I just appreciate it so much. And it's my honor to put your story out there for the first time. And hopefully we can stay in touch and maybe even talk about going more depth on some of these other aspects. of it again in the future because this has really been quite something. I really do appreciate it. Well, I appreciate you. I mean, I'm definitely an open book as best I can be.

It's still kind of feels awkward talking about it in a weird way. It feels good. I've only talked about it. I've spoken about it a few times. It's always been in confidence with someone I very much trusted or with people that just like I knew, I knew they had a history of keeping your secret. as it were, to forward their research, but not to, you know, blast you out there.

I don't want to get doxed and no one really does. Sure. But I do feel like what you said earlier really, really resonated with me that I'm sure there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of me out there. Yeah. I have to believe that. Absolutely. And just from like lurking around on the internet, it seems like there probably is.

Right. Exactly right. Yeah, again, just, was there anything else? wanted to put it out there, Jason? That's something that I didn't cover, something that I didn't bring up that you wanted to get out there today before we were done. Really? I would say, again, I don't need to prove myself to anybody. We are who we are. We are, you know, what our experiences make us. But there is medical documentation that they did remove some strange metallic unknown items from my leg. That's something that I feel like in my own mind,

proves to me that yeah this is this is all this all happened um and i still live with the the the atrophy today which sucks um and i know that's what caused it um but just listen to people and be kind really yeah amen to that uh jace again thanks so much let's stay in touch about all this and uh very much appreciated for you coming on here to uip today thanks a lot Thank you. So happy we got to do that. And just a quick thank you again to Jace for spending. We spent a lot of time and it was like in the middle of his day.

And I felt bad for taking so much time from him. But, you know, I was very grateful as well that he decided to stick around and have such a long conversation. Almost it was over an hour and a half. So thank you again, Jase personally, for taking all that time and giving us your story, for putting out your story. and for doing it here on UAP, again, that's really a big honor. Whenever anybody does that, when they decide that they want to tell the world their story for the first time, they've always shared it with some close friends or family due to, of course, any fear of being stigmatized in their personal or their professional life. And when they decide to take that leap and share their past and share what they believe to be true about what has happened to them,

and of course open themselves up to ridicule that's a really really big deal and if I'm being honest if I was an experiencer which I'm not I've mentioned that here on the show before I'm not an experiencer I feel like I've been more put into the peg of observer I feel like that's been my role in all this

observer and investigator I think we all have roles to play and that feels like that's the part that the universe so to speak put me in so that's just a side note But if I was an experiencer, honestly, I'm not sure. I really am not sure. I've thought about this before. And I'm not sure I would be able to muster up the fortitude to be able to come out and tell my story.

I might keep it to myself. I don't know. It's hard to say. I'm not in that situation. So it's hard for me to say what I would do. We can only think about what would you do in that situation. And I honestly can say, I don't know. And that's why I admire so much people like Jace.

or anybody else who has come out. We all know the names, whether they were in front of Congress or whether they were on a podcast or whether they did their own video talking about their life or a space on X or something like that. If you're willing to come out and tell your story, opening yourself up to ridicule and possible ramifications in your personal and professional life,

it's a really big deal. And I give major, major kudos to anybody who does it, including Jase. Thank you so much for doing that here on UAP. And again, now that we have the whole story, out there, make you but what you will, right? Like we always do here. All the details that we heard in both parts, specifically focusing on this second part here, going back to the beginning of the conversation here on Part 2 about the possible sighting of the men in black. And when he was

talking about, you know, that these guys were in the hallway, they looked like they didn't belong. They were in dark suits. And of course, his, you know, jar with his shards, we'll just say, because maybe I'm making too big of a leap with an implant. I personally don't think I am. But Of course, we can't prove that. So I'll say with those shards that were in his jar, when he wakes up in the short trip that his mother took to the cafeteria within that time frame, that jar is gone. So what would, you know, these shady looking characters want with a jar with just some random metal shards that they weren't important, I suppose, right?

And what was also interesting to note was what the surgeon told him that he thought it was strange. The surgeon thought it was strange that when he put the pieces of metal together, they almost seemed like they were magnetized at the way that they were attracted to each other. So that really was something that caught my attention as well when we were in that portion of the story. And then we went into, oh, but I was going to say, I forgot, I was also going to say, that's what made me ask about the hats, because every personal experience that someone has had with a purported men and black, you know, group, usually two or three guys, it's usually two. Every time I've heard about it, they're always wearing some type of hat.

And I know that's cliche because we see it in movies or we see it in shows, you know, some type of dramatic recreations in documentaries. But with that in mind, even though it is cliche, it is something that gets reported. So that's what made me think. Well, maybe were they wearing hats? And it turns out, he says he does remember that detail. So pretty interesting there. And that really, I did not expect this part. This was something that I don't even remember us going over in our initial conversations was when he spoke about seeing those goblin-like creatures with his family. They were running around the barn. Creepy sounding, three feet tall, pointy ears, just strange-looking creatures. And when I heard that, I couldn't help but to think about the famous

1955 encounter in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. Now, I'm considering re-kindigging into this scenario here from 1955, kind of digging this one back up, I guess it's the better way to say it, and doing a new episode on this because I did a little bit of digging into this way back when, I want to say maybe four years ago or so on an old episode of UAP, I spoke about it a little bit, maybe for like 10 minutes during one episode. But this is such a strange encounter from 1955. And quite frankly, it's the only time I had ever heard about goblin-like creatures until then, until right now with that part of the conversation with Jace.

Because in 1955, that's what the family reported. And to this day, people can't explain what that family in Kentucky saw when these goblin-like creatures were running, again, a farm, just like with Jace, but this time in Indiana, but running on a farm in Kentucky. And the family was shooting at them. They were like attacking their house, you know, banging on the windows. The father of the family had a shotgun. It was like trying to shoot at these things. They were terrorized that night. So if you're not familiar with the story, it's one of the most.

insane, and I mean that in a positive way, stories probably of the 20th century, and even as we carried into the 21st century. And actually, that's where the term little green men came from, was from the Hopkinsville incident in 1955, even though they were described as silverish gray, for whatever reason, they got lost in translation in the newspaper, and they described to the columnist described them as little green men. And that's actually where the term comes from was from that one incident back in 1955. So that was the only one. other time that I had heard about creatures like that. In fact, this was the

description, according to the summary on Google. Their height was approximately three to three and a half feet tall, matching what Jay said about the goblin-like creatures that he saw. Oversized, rounded heads, upright pointed ears, thin limbs, long arms, claw-like

talons and hands, silvery metallic sheen that gave off an eerie glow in the dark. Described as kind of floating, gliding, or swaying rather than walking. normally and that was the description from 1955, not what Jay said, but you see how kind of

they match. If you go back and listen to that one portion, you'll hear how much of that matches, unbeknownst to him. I'm not even sure he knows that story, but how much of that matches what he saw. And especially since he said they were very fast. So that would match the last detail there. Maybe, you know,

that described as gliding or floating when he said that they look like they were running very fast. Really, really odd description. And that's the only thing I can compare it to was from 71 years ago now in Kentucky. So just something worth bringing up there when we connect the dots here sometimes on UAP. But yeah, you know, just to have that family sighting where they all saw that and they all can't reconcile with it, they all have that moment of like, what the heck did we witness?

And they don't know how to describe it. So he had two distinct sightings there. You heard him give the differences between the goblin-like creature and, you know, and then the gray. And really three distinct sightings because then we get into what he spoke about during his professional career, being on one of those complexes, warehouses, bases, whatever you want to call it in northern Nevada. Now, he did mention this was not Area 51, but he did say, of course, referring to it as Groom Lake, that he did have professional experience there, but he moved away from that pretty quickly. You probably caught. And I totally understand

and anybody who has professional experience at Groom Lake, that's probably pretty much all they can say. And even that is probably too much that they worked at Groom Lake Area 51. So he gave us that much that he was there. You know, of course, according to his own accounts. But, you know, it's just so that's pretty incredible just to say that. But then you go and you listen to him talking about what he saw at the other bases in Nevada, talking about those strange, short, portly-like creatures, very pale skin, wearing white coats,

talking with humans, working together. How many times have we heard that over the decades of stories of human and alien? I guess, you know, we can assume, just given the stories, an alien cooperation. Maybe these weren't aliens. Maybe these were little people, as he described. I have no idea. But if we just go by the theme of the show here, is that. this what we're talking about, where humans and aliens are working together, just like the

stories of old for many people who say they've seen these things in secret bases around the country. And is that what Jay saw? And then, of course, seeing the floating triangle, I mean, my gosh, how many times have we heard reports of that? I mean, the floating triangle over his head. And I asked about that light in the middle because we've heard those details before, even from Dylan Borland in his witness testimony. And just recently, you know, being on with Sean Hannity from Fox News and going on to all these different shows talking about his experiences. I think he was on with Jesse Michaels recently within the past few weeks. Yeah, I believe so.

So, you know, we know his story. We've become familiar with Dylan Borland's story. So we have all these different elements which kind of helped me to guide me and my questions to see how similar are these, or his stories to other ones we've heard throughout time. And gosh, darn it, they're pretty darn similar. And now I'm not saying that in a damning way. I'm saying that in a corroboration way. Like if we're in a courtroom and we're looking for evidence,

I call this corroboration. I call this corroborating evidence. Others might look at it pessimistically and say he's just taking pieces of other stories and making things up. If you want to look at it that way, then by all means, again, that is not my read at all. Because I always say, just like I said in part one, what do you have to gain by telling your story?

This is a guy who didn't even want to use his last. name during this interview. Didn't want to be on camera. That's why this interview is not on YouTube. So if he's looking for gain, that's a really strange way to look for gain if you don't want anybody to see your face and know your last name. So, you know, I'm just saying as far as common sense is concerned in that argument. And I don't mean that an insulting way, it's just in an argumentative debating type of way. If we're looking at it that way, then we have to look at what's being presented and how it's being presented. That's all. So just all things to consider. And lastly, the point that he made there, and I know there's other things in here that I'm sure stood out to you as well, like, for instance, the original gray alien that he saw as a kid.

That was a question I really glad that I got out there. I just want to say this real quick. That was a question I'm really glad that I was able to ask because it was in my mind for a good portion of the interview that I wanted to come back to. And I finally was able to, I guess, close to an hour later of our conversation when I asked him, did you feel or hear anything? you locked eyes with that creature when you were a child in the woods by the lake. What we report as a gray alien five or six feet tall. And I was really happy I got to ask that because we got an answer out of it, which was he did get some type of telepathic communication of when he said,

and it was honestly quite creepy to me. You know, maybe that that's just my reaction. But when he said he felt like it was saying to him, I want you. Come to me. That's creepy. I mean, why was he getting that message, a vibe, you know, some type of telepathic communication, whatever you want to refer to it as? That's what he was feeling in that moment. And of course, he didn't listen. He backed away. But then the question is, was he abducted numerous times after that. So that was one thing I did want to point out because that was really a startling detail to me in this entire conversation,

for sure. But the last thing that Jace did touch on right before we were done, you know, his own point, which was anybody, he mentioned, I don't, I'm not looking for anybody to believe me. You know, I don't mind. He's like, you know, this is my truth. This is my story. And this is who I am. And kudos to him for that. But he did make the point. If anybody wants to question it, and I'm summarizing here, if anybody wants to question it, I have medical records attached to this. I have medical documentation and physical atrophy to show that I had a surgery and I had something removed and it's all there documented both in medical records and physically just by looking at his leg with muscle atrophy because it never quite came back normal and that's something that

he deals with to this day is that atrophy in his leg where he had the surgery. So, you know, that's one thing that's always very strong to me when it comes to documented evidence. And it doesn't get much stronger than documented medical evidence. And Jace has that on his side. he had his surgery. They took something out of his knee. There was no means as to how that got in there. So we can always, you know, take our guesses as to how those metal shards got in there. But he never knew.

And his parents never knew and the doctors never knew. So they took something out of his knee and it got there somehow. And why were they magnetized and why did it disappear with those shady characters from the hallway? Those were all questions we could consider. But fact of the matter is, this was highly compelling, very fascinating to discuss. And again, my honor to have this discussion here exclusively on UAP.

So all I can say again for the hundredth time, but well deserved is just give my gratitude and say thank you to Jace for doing that here. And thank you to you for listening and for taking in this new story from a new experiencer right here on UAP. But make sure to stick around and continue to come back for all the new episodes coming up. Lord knows there's a lot to discuss in the future. In fact, next week, I should say on the next episode of UAP, I'll have on Patrick Jackson. And Patrick, you probably know, but if you don't, he does research on the metallic spheres as far as, you know, those shapes are concerned or those sightings are concerned, the spheres that people report seeing a lot. And of course,

we've seen a lot of videos of the metallic spheres. His work on that is pretty unique. He calls is it the sphere network. He believes there's three different classes of spheres, according to his research, and they all have a job and they all mean something. And it's really fascinating to hear his argument for this. So if you've never heard Patrick Jackson and the case that he makes for the sphere network, then by all means, make sure you tune in for this new episode coming up in a few days. And if you have heard it, then get ready for an extended version and a really deep dive into it with him. I've never had him on interview style. We did an ex-space. We did an ex-space. Oh gosh, I don't know, six to eight months ago maybe, maybe even be a year ago now.

And that's the most we ever got to do. So he's five or six hours ahead in England. So it's kind of hard to schedule sometimes. But finally, we're able to kind of kind of line this up here. The stars aligned, if you will, to make this interview happen. So Patrick Jackson here to discuss the Sphere Network. Again, really, really good stuff. A really cool theory to really consider when it comes to this entire phenomenon.

So looking forward to doing that with him. So be sure to look out for that in all future and even past episodes of UAP by downloading and subscribing to the show wherever you get your podcasts and all the major streaming platforms. Just search UAP. Look for UAP podcast, even on Google. And it will show up on all of the platforms, including YouTube and social media at UA Podcast 850 on all the channels there.

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So on that note, thank you all again for everything, for always coming back, and for all the support. It really does mean the world to me. So thank you. So until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here saying be well. Thanks so much. Talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.