UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 25: Alien Species and Their Differences

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

Have you ever wondered how many different types of aliens could be out there? Well, we go over a whole lot of them here with the help of those who saw them. Even we were shocked by these accounts of abduction and what the victims witnessed...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and much much more throughout this journey of uap because listen it's not going to stop here we've got a lot to go over today and a lot to go over in the future but I'll just go ahead and say it now, Karen. Okay. We are going to go on a little break. Yep. Little Christmas and New Year's break. We were on a break.

Little friends reference there. So we're going to go after this. And so that'll, you know what? That'll give you time to kind of catch up on all the previous episodes. Binge listen. Yes, you can binge listen over the holiday break because we are going to go on a little Christmas and New Year's break. And then we're going to go dark. Yes, we are going to go dark.

Dark matter. We'll be back. And we figured it was a good time after 25 episodes. It kind of falls on a good timing here as we approach the Christmas and New Year's break and gives us an opportunity to recharge and get our thoughts together for 2022. And we come back for episode 26. Yeah. So there you go. Barring any lost time.

Oh, goodness. You never know. And speaking of lost time, nice segue, Karen. Because today we're going to talk about what we teased at the end of episode 24 last week. And hopefully everybody enjoyed the Edgar Casey series that we did. Very deep, very thought-provoking. We went down a few rabbit holes and wormholes. We did.

If you missed those, episode 23 and 24, you can always catch up on Apple, Spotify, 850WFTL.com. The show lives there. We got existential and we got religious and we got, yeah. It was very deep. So you can always enjoy those in any other episodes that you want to hear. Maybe you hear them again. But we teased at the end of episode 24 kind of going in depth on descriptions of all of these different aliens that we hear about.

Yeah, they're not all just the little men with the big eyes. Right, right. Or green men. There's a lot of different descriptions of different species of aliens actually. And so we wanted to kind of dive into that. But in order to do that, we thought, why don't we mix it together with some abduction stories? There you go.

Because who else can describe aliens better than people who have been abducted by them? You know what I noticed even in compiling all this stuff that bald people? are becoming aliens. No. Because most of the aliens that have been spotted are hairless. You're right. That's true. I've never heard of an alien. Well, that's not true.

We'll get to some today. Look how much money we spend on our hair and on hair plugs. I'm going to get a haircut this week. Weaves and wigs and cuts and colors and aliens are like, we're way ahead of you. We don't even worry about hair.

Bother with that stuff. That's true. So, So before we get into all that interesting stuff here today, Karen, we always go with a fun fact. So do you have a fun fact today for us? I do. And I didn't even know this was happening. I mean, I saw the 60 Minutes on the Web Telescope, which is super, super cool. But we have a NASA Parker Solar probe that is the first spacecraft to touch the sun. Did you know this probe was sent up in 2018?

I did not know that, actually. Yeah, and it's in the process of making 21 close approaches to the sun over the next seven years. They didn't name it, Icarus, they named it the Parker Solar Probe. Hello. But it has successfully flown through the sun's corona. That's the upper atmosphere. And it was tasked with vehicles and the star's magnetic field. That is, you talk about deep.

That's deep. Yeah. That's amazing, though. Wow. So that has to be pretty hot. Like, how far is the sun from us? It's like 93 million? About that, yeah, give or take.

Light years. And this is, you're saying, miles? Yeah. What am I thinking? Light years we would be freezing to death. I'm sorry. No, that's okay. I made a time.

You have lost time. I've been abducted. I'm misrepresented time. Yes. But the corona extends, what, out? Five million miles. About five million, yeah, from the actual, you know, center of, well, not center of the sun, but from the body of the sun itself.

So, look, five million miles away from the sun is going to be pretty freaking hot. I mean, we're 93, you know, a little bit over. 93 million miles away here, and it gets pretty hot on Earth in some spots. So, especially here in South Florida, where you and I are located where we do the show, we know. It's very, very hot. That's amazing, though. I mean, how far science has come to be able to build something like that that can withstand the temperatures of being 5 million miles away from the sun. It's exciting, too, to think about what kind of information we're going to get from this thing.

Yeah, I'm sure it's not made out of wax. No, no, or they should have named it Icarus. I know. What were they thinking? I don't know, the Parker Solar Pro. That's a stupid name. Some guy who thought of it named Parker. Oh, they went after myself.

Selfish. The web telescope? Hubble. Come on. Yeah. Everything gets named after whoever invented it or came up with it. Fine, whatever. Yeah.

I think Icarus. Yes. But we're going to talk about the abductees descriptions of aliens. Yes. And this is one that was described on, speaking of 60 Minutes. 60 Minutes, Australia. Oh. Did you know they have a 60 Minutes Australia?

I did not know that. Where everything tries to kill you. Here is one person's description of, they were abducted by aliens, and apparently they did terrifying things to this person. Oh, no. There's two types that I say. One type is about three feet tall, very dark, very ugly, not humanoid at all. The others are very, very tall, very lizard-looking, not pleasant.

The creatures that I have seen mostly have been the grays. And when I say tall, I'm not talking six feet. I'm talking very tall, like 10 feet tall. Usually about three to four foot tall. Real big almond shape, black eyes. The face was oval. The being itself couldn't have been more than three feet tall. It was sitting cross-legged at the top left-hand corner of my bed.

Eight foot two. Solid blue Five transistors in each shoe You can look that song Go ice on the nut, yeah Yes Wow, that is creepy By the way, just real quick

before we dive into those descriptions from the alleged abduction victims there Amazing sound effects By 60 Minutes Australia Yeah, they pulled out the stops on that one. They did.

A lot of sound effects there But you hear the descriptions there from those... Totally different. Totally different. Tall ones, short ones, gray skin, reptilian skin. It sounds like people who have watched a crime.

Oh, he was white. He was black. He was tall. He was short. He had hair. He had a mustache. And how about the description, two, of the aliens she's talking about

sitting cross-legged in her room? He's just like relaxing. Sit there with a cup of scotch. Over in the end of her bed like Buddha or something. Weird. That sounds like sleep paralysis or something. At the end of the bed when you see something. You know, it's weird with sleep paralysis,

not to get too far down a rabbit hole here because I'll try to stay on topic. but I do have sleep paralysis. I've had it. Terrifying. Have you seen anything in yours? I did. I saw a visage.

I saw a person. I thought it was my mother. Wow. It was so scary. Standing at the end of my bed. Really? Yes. And I couldn't move.

And I'm going, Mom! Right. No, but that's true. When you have sleep paralysis, because I get the same thing. Can't move and you can't talk. You can't move.

It was so bad. All you can do is kind of like moan. Yes. And I've had that before. Now, I've never seen anything in my sleep paralysis. When I had sleep paralysis, I can't open my eyes. Oh, I could see it. So my eyes are always closed during mine, and it's so annoying when it happens because you're laying there, and if you had sleep paralysis, you know what we're talking about.

If you haven't, this is going to sound really strange. But you're laying there, and you're fully aware of what's going around you. You can't move. You can't move. You can barely speak. You feel like you're paralyzed, and you start to freak out a little bit. But over time, you learn how to calm yourself down during it until your body just snaps out of it. Then you can move.

Yeah. It's no fun. No. And that's, but it's funny because that's what people describe sometimes in these abduction stories is being paralyzed in their beds. And sometimes psychiatrists or, you know, psychologists or hypnotists who do these regressions with abduction victims, which you're going to hear one here today. Yeah, Peter Faust. Wow. What's interesting is it happens when they're asleep, at least with this guy.

And that's what they always, sometimes they try to attribute it to a sleep paralysis episode. but these people, they go into full detail about things that have happened to them. Well, this guy, Peter, he had thought it was a bad dream, but he felt like this sense of dread and terror when he woke up. And it wasn't until then he was regressed back in time by, is it this Harvard doctor? Yeah, there was a hypnosis. Why do you say it? Hypnithist.

Hypnithist, thank you. Is it Dr. Mac? Yeah, someone. Yeah, Dr. Mack is a doctor from Harvard. was honestly this this interview is almost 30 years old and so he's if he's still alive he's very old right now but he was a renowned doctor and professor in harvard uh psychiatrist studied mental behaviors and things like that's like brian weiss he went to yale right and that's the

he was the one that did it with you so many lives many masters this is um yeah again this is peter faust and this was from an episode of Oprah that he was on back in 1994 yeah describe some of what happened to him and what she talks about well she i don't have i added her right it out That's okay. She'll be fine. She kept interrupting him. Anyway, it was a Canadian film crew that filmed him being regressed. It was, it's kind of weird.

So it was a session that they had already done. And they filmed him reacting to it. All right. Listening to what it was like. Jeez. Okay, well, here we go. He lifted me up. I'm in my room in Hawaii.

and they lifted me up. I'm terrified. I can't move. And now we're going outside. Oh, boy. Okay, so, like we said, full warning on that one. Obviously, highly disturbing. And again, that was a recording of his regression that he had during his therapy session when he was under hypnosis.

And once he came out of it, he had no idea what he was saying during that. session until he heard, and that's what the film crew there was doing for Oprah. They were filming his reaction to hearing his session, his description for the first time. When I was regressed, I was aware of what was happening. Interesting. I don't know. But he was asleep, so he wasn't aware of it until he was regressed. And then he was like, wow.

And did he say that they were having sex with him? So in one of the descriptions, yeah. That would explain. It could. It could. I don't know if that. That's a scream of fear or a scream of something else. But yeah.

So he did say that apparently he was having sex with them at some point. And they were doing these different... I believe you said it's nonstop sex. Yeah, he did, actually. And they were trying to get sperm samples. He said, knowing that he had something to do with hybrid children. Oh. To knowing that his sperm was somehow being used with extraterrestrials.

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That's the first time I've heard that. So how does he know it's a female? Yeah, right. And I guess that's, again, goes to the unique descriptions here that we want to kind of uncover here today, kind of go in more detail of what these things are like, what these different species are like. And he's his description, and we're going to have a picture of the artist rendering of the aliens that he saw. And that he described through his regression sessions. We're going to have that picture on our blog, 850WFTL.com on UAP blog.

You can search at UAP there on the website and you'll see all of our past episodes and all the detail that go along with details that go along with all of our episodes. So that picture will be there. You can look at that. It's kind of weird. I mean, you'll see like these little green men in these what looks like space suits. And you'll see him on a table and what looks like some type of operating room setting. Right. There's a lot of instruments around.

Something that, again, that you would see in a hospital in like an operating room. And then you'll also see what I make out as anyway. I don't know if you notice this too, Karen. The artist, the way he described this was, and I'm looking at this picture, it almost looks like other people sitting on different tables. like at least five or six people who are covered by blankets. Yeah, they're lying paralyzed on tables under alien assault. He also saw people that were floating through walls and beams of light into spaceships. And he was told of tagging devices.

He talked about tagging devices that were implanted in sinuses and in eyeballs and that they were removed and then put back in. Which is really intriguing actually because if you remember way back when, I think it may have been like in one of our first five episodes, we talked about famous abduction stories. And one of them was about a man in Miami who was abducted back in the 80s. And another one was about a person who had these implants that was found by a Dr. Lear, I believe his name was. Remember Dr. Lear? He was a podiatrist. But he was also a surgeon. And once he started to uncover these things from adoptees who were coming to him saying, I think there's something inside of me. he started finding these little metal shards and what looked like implants in people.

He knew he would find them near the eye. He would find them in the wrist, in the hand, on the back of the hand. So Peter Faust here describing this in 1994 matches up to another story from a different year from Dr. O'Leer who was doing these surgeries finding implants on people. Yeah. That's so weird. And he also did talk about seeing what looked like basically alien children as well. These were the hybrids, I guess.

Yeah, he said that they were created basically on ships. Right. And that they were listless, huge-eyed, wispy-haired children that he kind of equated to chemo patients. Yeah. That's weird. It is very strange. Maybe there's a lot of radiation up there. But yeah, that's just one explanation of what they saw.

This guy from Pasca Gula, he was allegedly abducted by an alien, and he said that this is what his aliens look like. They had, I kind of thought it was people at first, you know, off like that. But of course, when they appear there in front of me, it was the most shock I've ever had in my line. What did you see? Well, they were shorter than me. about five foot two or three and they didn't have a neck they had it seemed to come directly to their shoulders and it had something uh it came out to a point about where my nose would be and

and on each side the ears and i believe that they looked like they were a little longer on the ears than the nose they were still pointing yet so this picture that we're also going to have up on our blog on 850 wftl.com on the uap page is unlike anything i've ever seen as far as to descriptions go for aliens. It looks more like, you've ever seen the movie the day the earth stood still? Yes. I'm talking the old one from like the 50s. It looks like the robot gort, okay? And if you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. But if you don't, you can look at the picture on our blog page on 50WFTL.com because we're going to have the artist rendering of what the Pascagoula man there was talking about. And the alien that he saw, that was Charles Hickson. Had like spiky cones for nose and ears. It looks. like a robot. Well, yeah, it reminds me a little bit, though, of the alien that those women in Brazil saw on their way home. They took a different way home. Right. And this is the description they gave.

We talked about this in a past episode. And I looked like, she saw a little creature that was really sweating. It was like a little person but with no hair whatsoever, red eyes and three horns. Three horns. Right. Okay. So that could have a... Similar. Yeah. Think about it. The nose and the ears, that would be the three horns.

Could be, yeah. So maybe something similar to that. By the way, real quick, just before we go any further, to point out, because we always like to say that we use sources that are credible. Oh, yes, please. Just to point out on that first story we spoke about there with Peter Faust from that episode of Oprah back in 1994, the guy that was with him kind of going through all this research with him was John E. Mack. That's the Harvard professor we were talking about.

and he was a psychiatrist there. He was a Pulitzer Prize winner. So this wasn't a guy that just, you know, lucked into a job at Harvard. This guy was the real deal that was investigating these claims. We've talked about Dr. Mack. He had audio with him in past episodes. So he'll be a recurring person.

I think so. But going back to hear what we were talking about, it's interesting when you compare the two stories that, Karen, like you said, that was Brazil. It was called the Brazil-Roswell incident. And when those three girls who are now women saw that alien sitting there. We talked in great detail about that in a past episode,

and it's funny how it does connect to this episode in Pascagoula in 1973. And like you say, the horns, I don't know. Is it the same type of alien? But it's a description I have personally never heard before or seen. I mean, you have to see this picture on our blog on 850WFTL.com.

It's really strange. He didn't go so far, though, to say about the red eyes and hairlessness, but it sounds similar. Maybe it had a hair lip. I don't know. But this again happened in October, 1973. That was Charles Hickson that you heard with the description. It also happened to a guy, there was two of them there.

It was Calvin Parker, who was 19 at the time. So he's actually still around these days. Oh, of the Solar Parker probe? Nope, no, different probe. He had some probing. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. But they both talked about this in great detail.

And Parker more recently has opened up about this as time has gone on. But they said that they felt conscious but paralyzed. So again, they kind of paralyzed description there, while three creatures, as they described them, with robotic slitmouth. So again, kind of similar to a robot in the description that they gave. And they said they had crab-like pincers. Ew.

As they took them aboard the object and then subjected them to examination. By the way, if you're going, where the hell is past Gagula? That river is in Mississippi. Mississippi, yes. And they were on the bank of the river. They heard whirring and whizzing sound, and they saw two flashing blue lights.

observed an oval-shaped object about 40 feet across and 8 to 10 feet high. So kind of your classic description, right? You know, that saucer-shaped UFO. And now we've also heard many other descriptions like cigar-shaped, the egg-shaped, you know, of course the triangle, the pill that the pilots off the Nimitz saw.

It's, yeah. These guys... Or just a really big ship that's floating over, like the governor of Arizona. Right. Right. That was, yeah, that was that giant, triangle one. I think it was a triangle one, yeah. So yeah, it's super interesting because these two guys

saw the same thing, right? Charles Hickson. Right, and they were both. Halvin Parker. Yeah, and they say that they were both abducted. Now, Hickson gave interviews and lectures. He was even on an episode of the game show to tell the truth. Really? And he claimed additional encounters with aliens as time went on. In 1983, he authored a self-published book called UFO Contact at Pascagoula. And then he later attended UFO conventions. Actually, Parker went to different conventions. In 93, he started a company called UFO Investigations. And he wanted to do that to produce a television series about UFOs. So some people, because of that, Karen, and I bring that up for a reason, because some people have accused them of making this all up for financial gain. See, you're damned if you do. I mean,

if you don't talk about it, we're not going to know about it. And everyone wants to look at what's your motivation. Right. And they were both saying, that they were injected with something to calm them down. Right. It was like a numbing agent, and they went along with the program. And then it's weird because Parker in his later descriptions talked about seeing three legless creatures. Whoa. And they floated from the aircraft.

One had no neck, again kind of matching Charles Hicksson's description there from when we first started the story. Probably plays football. Maybe. and they said they had no neck, gray wrinkled skin, and another did have a neck and appeared more feminine, which is interesting. So again, we see that description. We never really hear about genders in these stories.

Well, I thought they were more hermaphroditic, where they're both sexes. That's what I've always heard. That's where we're headed on Earth. Yeah, maybe. Because, you know, you've got people changing sexes and you don't really, some people you don't really know. What's going on?

Well, yeah. Depending. But it's, yeah, it's a weird description that you don't normally hear. And that's what we want to try to hit on today, where some of these descriptions that you don't really, you know, get a lot of coverage, you don't hear a lot about, even from us, you know, because we're going more towards the stories and not towards the descriptions. Right.

I want to highlight somebody today. Yeah, no, this is so interesting. Yeah, more asexual, the alien. That's what we normally hear. And now, you know, this is the second one that we hear someone talking about female aliens. or at least having, you have an appearance. You can tell by looking at them. Because we've talked about before, Karen, how they say, well, it's, you know, the big eyes and

the gray skin. And they all have the same look. And we've even theorized before maybe they're clones. You know, maybe these are kind of like drones, if you will, that are sent out to do these missions. Or are they robots? Are they humanoid? Right.

And apparently some of them have a little slit for a mouth and a slit for a nose. And none of them are talking. Right. So are they telepathic? and they don't have facial expressions so maybe they got a lot of Botox going on I don't know what's happening but they don't react

when these people start screaming and going to go, you know We're actually going to get into that in a little bit on our last story with the name you'll probably recognize but Parker did say that the creatures he went on and said that the creatures held his

Anne Hickson's arms and floated them into the craft where examinations were performed on both of them and then they were returned to the bank of the river So it kind of goes along with a lot of the other abduction stories, right? Where there's the missing time.

Yep. They're there for, who knows how long, an hour, two hours, three hours. They're returned with very little memory until, you know, they come to and realize what happened to them. Yeah. It's very scary. Abducted by crab aliens. I don't know. But that's their description.

Well, some people have that mutation. That's true. In their hands. Right. Yeah. Or they have the claw. hands. Right, the claw hands, that's true. So yes, anyway, you've never had, you haven't seen anything, have you?

You thought Venus was something earlier. Venus was incredibly bright the other night, and I thought it was an airplane. I'm like, because where we live... It's the most misconstrued object in the sky as a UFO. And when I saw it the other night, I could see why, because where we live, we live by a flight path, so we always have planes flying over and everything. And it flashes red and green. Sometimes it does.

Yeah, sometimes it does. And I thought it was an airplane because the light was so bright. I'm like, oh my gosh, that's just Venus right now. So that was pretty cool. But I didn't think it was a UFO. So at least I could tell the difference between a UFO, a UAP, or Venus, for goodness sakes. Yeah. And then lastly, the case of Travis Walton.

Yes. A movie named Fire in the Sky was made after his story. That's right. And his description is more of like the classic, you know, grays. But it's still interesting because he goes into some. some weird detail that we hadn't heard before. He was on, I guess we could say, he was on an episode of Joe Rogan's podcast.

This is actually from the beginning of the year. Now there's been a million different interviews with Travis Walton. Yes. But we use this one. Yeah, just so happens. I just cut out his description of what the aliens look like that he encountered.

Something was so wrong inside. I felt like I was dying. And this is what really fueled the panic when I finally laid eyes. on these creatures. I guess it's a pretty typical description nowadays. Very large eyes, hairless, two eyes, nose, mouth. I didn't see them speak or no change in the expressions. If they're telepathic and it's developed enough to where they don't need to talk, they also don't need facial expression. And so their ability to communicate with each other would be much richer and more

complete than we have and speech and frowns or smiles or whatever would become obsolete you don't want to play poker with one of those no they'll be very good very good poker face the grays the gray's the gray's in notoriously good poker players if they play bridge they could tell each other what they have that's also true oh goodness gracious but so if you don't know the case of Travis walton just in case you don't because like you said the movie was made after him in 1993 fire in the sky it's one of the more famous abduction stories out there that we actually haven't covered just because I feel like it's been covered

at nauseam, but I feel like it was important to put him in this episode because he did have a unique experience. So it goes back to 1975. He was working in the forest. He was like some type of lumberjack and he was abducted at that point in a forest near Snowflake, Arizona. Oh. Aaron, how about that?

He was missing for five days in six hours. Real, that's so interesting. And when they come back there, watch is different, right? The watch is always, yeah, that does happen. We've had stories in previous episodes about the watch as being different when they get back. Yeah.

Because five days is a long time for one of these stories. And I think that's what made his more unique because you normally hear about missing time of like three hours or something like that. But he's gone for five days. It got so bad that police went searching for him with, you know, with their dogs and their helicopters and all these things. They started accusing some of his coworkers a murder. Right. They had to take polygraphs. That's right. So this was a big news story at the time because

nobody, it was a missing person case. You know, when you get knocked unconscious, though, you have missing time. You don't remember. You know, when you're unconscious, you have no concept of time. And that's, that's an interesting point because, so what would that say, if this, you know, if all these stories are true, what would that say for the technology that the aliens are using when it comes to, you know, how are they making us forget? How do they know? How do they know? know to tap into the brain that specific part, whatever they're using to make us forget things or to not pay attention to essentially numb the brain to what's happening. Yeah, but it's still in the subconscious because you can be regressed and remember it.

That's true. So it's weird. So, but, you know, again, the story with him, he was riding in a truck. Six of his coworkers, like we said, they all had to take polygraph tests because they thought they murdered the guy. And that's when they encountered a saucer-shaped object. So, again, this was kind of more your classic saucer. It was hovering over the ground about 110 feet away, making the high-pitched buzzing noise,

which we just heard in the previous descriptions from the other stories. He claims that after he left the truck and approached the object, that's when the beam of light came out and knocked him unconscious. And then the other six men were frightened and supposedly drove away at that point. Good friends, huh? Yeah. I'll get out of here. Jeez. Like, oh, we got to go.

And then at that point, he claims that he awoke in a hospital-like room, which is interesting because Karen, this is. happened in 1975. I love when we get to connect the dots. And if you go back to what we talked about at the start of the episode with Peter Fouse in 1994, the picture that you're going to see on our blog on 850WFTL.com that we spoke about that the artist rendering drew from his

sessions under hypnosis, it looks like a hospital room. And that's 20 years after this event with Travis Walton. So same descriptions, 20 years apart. It makes you wonder. Yeah.

So he described being observed by three short, bold creatures. So this goes to the grays. They always talk about, you know, like three to four feet tall, just like they described them in Roswell pretty much. Right. Skinny legs, what, three fingers? Three or four fingers, right? He claimed that he fought with them actually.

Yeah, he did. He put up a fight, he said. He tried to get out. There was a doorway. Yeah. He recognized a doorway. Until, get this, Karen. This is what struck me.

And this is why I think his story has been so fascinating over the past 30, 40 years. He was fighting with them until a human. A human. Wearing a helmet led Walt into another room where he blacked out as three other humans put a clear plastic mask over his face. Then he claims he remembers nothing else until he found himself waking up along a highway five days later when the flying saucer dropped him off. I wish I knew the hierarchy of aliens and humans, you know, are we? on the higher echelon or are we like low life

aliens? From everything I heard. We were alien to them. Well they look at us as we look at cattle. Yeah we're like dumb as a bag of hair. That's everything I've come to conclude anyway. They're trying to help us and we're like no no no no. We're going to do it our way.

Right and some species we're going to get into those species here more in depth before we go. They look at us as like we want to experiment on you. That's the grays. We want to learn about you. We want to to take you for, excuse me here, sexual experiments for hybrid creation of our species, according to some accounts, okay? So apparently sex is universal.

I guess. But maybe, do they look at sex as pleasure or are they looking at sex as just a means to an end, right, to procreate to keep their species going? I don't know. Do the aliens have a missionary position? Oh, no. No. Oh, God.

Broke me, Karen. I'm sorry. Oh, God. I don't know. I don't know. We're not going to that far detail today. Okay. But it is something that if you believe these stories, good Lord, if you believe these stories,

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The only time we've ever heard of that was really the Dulce base. Yes. Which we covered in a way previous, I think episode six, I think that was one of our most popular episodes, most download episodes. I'm so glad you have an idetic memory, I guess I can remember all these episodes. It goes, that's what it goes all the way back to where it was Schroeder, I believe his name was. He was the government's construction agent worker who was working in New Mexico and they were building this underground tunnel and he comes across the aliens in the secret base who are

there working with other humans secretly in this base back in the 70s or the 80s. What's a Phillips? Phillips Schroeder, right? Philip Schroeder, yeah. Yes. And so there's other, I guess, things you can match to this, but we've never heard of a story where humans are working on spaceships, on UFOs with aliens.

So it makes you wonder what type of cooperation is going on here if Travis Walton's story is true. Yeah, it's amazing. It's insane. But, you know, we've had episodes where we talk about past presidents who have entertained aliens.

Yeah. Held court with aliens. That's true. And we've had all kinds of different people from different walks of life say they've encountered an alien. And not all of them look the same. No.

And so would you like to go over a few here, Karen? I would. Let's do that here. So, of course, we know the grays. Yep. Right? So we've heard the classic description of them many times, three to four feet tall, childlike, big eyes, bulbous heads. Well, see, I thought the grays, some of them were walking among us and looked like us, too.

They assumed what we look like. That's more with the reptilians. Oh, because I heard that grays are walking among us. Which, I mean, maybe, but they don't really, at least according to. Gray-skinned humanoids, but not all of them have that big head with the almond eyes. Well, according to accounts, they don't, they try to be more secretive about their existence. Excuse me. Yes, I know.

I'm very sorry. But, of course, you know, they're always described as hairless, the large heads, like we said, you know, the black almond-shaped eyes, the big eyes, nostrils, without a nose, the slits from mouths, no ears, three to four fingers. and they've been, of course, predominant in all the beings of contact since the 1960s. You always hear about the grays being part of these abduction stories, which is what kind of made some of these stories here today intriguing and indifferent. And then, of course, this one, Karen, this is something we actually just finished talking about in our Edgar Casey series, the Hopkinsville Goblin. Oh, that's right.

So if you remember or if you hadn't heard it, the Hopkinsville Goblin was something that was seen just once in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, that was described as small greenish silver skin floating through the air. With arms flailing. And by the way, that's the town where Edgar Casey was born. He was born there, that's right. Small greenish silver humanoids,

and they apparently were bulletproof. Yeah, that's also the case. So if you want to learn more about them, again, it's on the blog. Little green men diminutive humanoid. That was on our previous episode. We talked about the Hopkinsville Goblin. But that's a very, very unique description.

It's like my favorite Martian. Remember he had the antennas that would go up from his head. I loved that. Yes. And now the green humanoids, what are classically referred to as the little green man, like you were just saying, Karen, even though a few abductions have referred to the green skin, and you'll see that in the picture from Peter Faust's abduction story

on our blog post there. No report has actually ever involved anything that would fit the classic cultural stereotype of little green men. But they are included here for, of course, you know, the cultural references of always talking about little green men. I don't know. But it's weird because in the Hopkinsville story, that took place in 1955. And I think actually that was the first instance of the term little green men. It was used in the newspaper. And they weren't green at all.

They were actually gray metallic. looking. Well, they were probably reflecting the grass. I guess, maybe. But what was interesting that I found is intriguing anyway with Peter Faust. One of the things I found intriguing about his story there was the description in the artist rendering. They do look green.

So you can see that picture. It's kind of weird. Now, how about the Nordics? Yeah, that's what President Eisenhower was it? He did, yes. He had a meeting with the Nordics. That's right. Or he had his crown replaced because he

bit on a chicken wing. And you can hear about that story in full on presidents and aliens. Another past episode. A little plug there for past episodes. It's a crazy story. Honestly, though, if that's an insane story, you've never heard it before. It's wild. And it's really thought-provoking, too, because the excuses are kind of silly.

But he did allegedly have a meeting with the Nordics. Did not go well because I guess we didn't get out what we wanted to get out of it. And that's when he met with the Grays and the rest is history, according to the story anyway. And his granddaughter, by the way. Yeah. Now, sometimes the Nordics are called Space Brothers. These are humanoids with what they call stereotypical Nordic features, meaning tall, blonde hair, blue eyes. Think of Thor.

Ah, got it. Like Chris Hemsworth type of character. They've been featured in several cases of contact and said that they are from ancient Earth, actually. Oh. But they present themselves as extraterrestrials in the past, and they moved from living on the surface to then living underground around the Himalayas. because if you're Nordic, you're going to live in a cold area. And I guess they moved underground after what they call a natural event. Oh.

But it is intriguing. If you think about it, you're talking about maybe an ancient being on the earth. And they lived on the grounds and then they just present themselves as aliens because they're not above ground like everybody else. Yeah, we have past episodes about alien bases underwater on their ground. In caves in Antarctica. And they can travel through these wormholes where you're like. instantaneously in New Jersey and then suddenly you're in Arizona. We talked about what a Stargate in our Stargate in Portals episode.

I think it was episode 19 I want to say where, you know, the Stargate from, was it Alaska to Hawaii? That's right. Right? Yeah. Strange stuff. So another one to think about there. Then, of course, we talked about the alien in Brazil.

Yeah. And then how about Valiant Thor? Karen. Remember our buddy Valiant Thor? We spoke about in a previous episode. He's the guy that looks like a Hollywood actor. Right. And they say that he was a Venusian.

So what the heck is a Venus? Somebody who's from Mars. And just like the Nordics who are said to... I'm sorry. Inner Venus. What did I say? A Martian is from Mars. Yes, that's right.

I'm sorry. What did I say? Thank you for correcting my stupidity there. That's right. There was Venus. And just like we heard about with the Nordics, supposedly living underground, the Venusians, like Vali and Thor,

would live inside of Venus. at least that's the way the story goes. Right. And at that point, Valiant Thor, if you didn't hear the episode, is a guy that had presented himself as a human. They said, it looked like a Hollywood actor, very good-looking. We have a picture of him up. We do, actually.

It was photographed. You can see Vali and Thor. We have the picture. He's on that episode on that blog page. So that's another description of what an alien might look like, more human-like, like a Venusian. And they were a higher being than us. They understood basically the meaning of life.

They understood there how to be close to God, how to be, have that spirituality in life, how to achieve peace within their society and cure diseases. They didn't want any of that here on Earth. That's exactly. We don't want to. No, that'll disrupt our economy. That's exactly right. And you can hear it in the episode. But Valley and Thor, according to the story, came to Earth, to Pentagon, to the Vatican and tried to speak to the religious leaders and government leaders to present these solutions.

And they're like, nah, that'll screw up our systems. Yeah, no, no. And he's like, all right. And he got frustrated in the left eventually after a few years of trying. So, wild story. And the Ananaki, isn't there, there was a whole Bible book about this guy. Yeah. So the Ananaki, we've talked about them, of course, before two in our ancient Egypt series

that we did previous episodes. And they presented themselves as kind of that elongated head. Now, what I've always found intriguing about that is there are different cultures in modern day where people do have the elongated heads. And you see that sometimes in, uh, tribal cultures. Yes. And they put the boards.

It sounds terrible, so excuse me, but this is what they do. They put boards on the side of a baby's head when they're born because, you know, the baby's head is more pliable and, lack of a better term, squishy. And they can put the boards to elongate the head of the child and then you grew up that way. And they wrap it. And then they wrap it. So your brain in your head will form in that shape. Now, why do people do this and why did the Ananaki look that way? It said, because they want to.

to look like the gods. What gods were they seen that had these elongated heads? Right. Makes you wonder. Yes. But again, the Ananaki we talked about in great detail in our past episodes about ancient Egypt. All these things we're referring to. If you haven't heard the past episodes, again, I've said it a million times, but 850WFGL.com, find all of the episodes there.

You can look at all the pictures we've been talking about on each blog page because it's dedicated to each episode. I wonder if aliens have DNA. That's a good question. And what kind of DNA? I mean, you would think so, right? Right. They have to have some type of building blocks to their own life structure.

Because also, when you look at evolution and Darwinism, there are not, it doesn't have an exact pattern or link a chain of animals that actually could evolve from one to the other. There's missing one. So someone had to come in with some DNA and like create us because we obviously didn't evolve. that way. Well, that's some of the ancient astronauts, as they called ancient alien theory. You know, did they play some type of DNA? Or was that just the natural evolution that

God put in place? You know, there's questions. Have you seen lately the Chinese have created a super beagle? Oh, no. By editing their DNA. Oh, my gosh. They've got all these muscles and everything. Oh, geez. So now I guess you can make a superhuman. Oh, my gosh. I'm sure they're trying.

Sure. Captain America is going to come to life. I'm super beagle. It's going to be Captain China, I guess. It sounds like they're ahead of us on that one. Super Beagle. But just to make myself clear here, I know this is a longer episode today, so hopefully you're enjoying it. Let's hack it in half. No, no, no. We can do it. Yeah. But it's the Ananaki, just to kind of clear it up there, they weren't aliens.

The Ananaki were people. They wanted to look like aliens, right. The description of aliens. But to finish it off here, Karen, since we're droning on here today. That's all good stuff What's the book of the Bible that talks about the Ananaki That they got rid of They took it out of the Bible

Actually, I'm not familiar with that Yes, you are. Am I? Yes. I don't know. I'm not sure. You can Google as I talk about the tall whites Because the tall whites, and I know it sounds like a funny name,

but apparently, according to a man named Charles Hall, who I can't remember if we've talked about before. But Charles Hall was somebody who worked in the Army and was based out in one of the desert areas. I mean, you know, somewhere in the Arizona, New Mexico part of the country. And he came across these tall whites and they worked on the base and he had relationships with them. Book of Enoch. Ah, the book of Enoch. Okay.

Got it. There you go. Good job. But according to Charles Hall, there are hundreds of them, these tall whites on the planet. And they come and go as they please. And they all play in the NBA. Maybe. Dirk Davitsky is one of them. I don't know. He said that they include military personnel, government officials. Really? So this maybe is where I got confused with the grays. It's the tall whites.

The tall whites do pose as humans because they have more of a human form. Got it. And they pose as civilians, according to him. Now, the tall whites are eight feet tall, so it's going to be kind of hard not to stick out in society. And by the time they reach the age, now stay with me here. This is according to his account. By the time they reach the age of eight or eight, 100, they keep growing except for their internal organs, which ultimately causes their deaths. They outgrow their organs, according to this description. Tall whites heal rather slowly compared to humans, and they are very interested in our ability to heal so quickly. Now, approximately... Really? They think we heal quickly.

That's what they say. Now, they're approximately about 100 pounds, so they're very thin. They're 8 feet tall and weigh 100 pounds. Very, very thin. I would say they're very thin. Skeletal. Yeah. white skin, of course you can assume by the name tall whites.

They levitate in spacesuits and the spacesuits also protect them from weapons. Okay. That could be used against them and they travel at the speed of light in their space ships. According to all of the... Well, that's why they don't age. So they're 800 years old, but you don't age when you travel at the speed of light because time stops. Right. It goes slower anyway.

It goes slower anyway. So that could be a cause there. So a very intriguing description of the tall whites. And also the Palladians, which are kind of strange, but we're going to have pictures of on, sounds saying it so many times, 850WFGL.com on our UAP blog of a lot of these descriptions, along with the pictures that we spoke about earlier of the abduction descriptions of the aliens that were involved there too. Who are the Palladians? Now the Palladians, they call them star people. Oh, cool. Because they're from that area of the constellation anyway.

and they kind of look like, according to artist renderings anyway, they kind of look more like the aliens from Avatar who lived on Pandora. Okay, okay. They're blue? The blue skin, kind of like a blonde hair, more human in their features. What about the reptilians? The reptilians are kind of what they always refer to as the lizard people. And then the Philip, what's his name?

Schaefer talked about the reptilian on the roof, right? I believe so. Yes, actually. So, yeah, we've had stories about them before. And there's also been conspiracy theories not getting into those a lot, but, you know. The trooperabra. Well, you know, there's theories about how, like, politicians have been reptilians and the reptilians are taking over society. And there's...

Was his name Brandon? Listen, listen, listen. Let's go Brandon. I'm just... That's an alien saying it, not us. But I'm just saying that these are theories that have been out there. I'm not going to laugh at you if you believe it. We are presenting everything that's been said about different species of aliens,

and that's what they say about reptilians, that they take over human form and they disguise themselves and they become these high-powered government officials, kind of like Charles Hall talked about with the tall whites, and they talk about with the Nordics and things like that. I think Fang Fang was an alien. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh.

What happened? Anyway. Yes. Where's the line, I don't know, behind me. Yes, I think we're done, right? I'm done. Hopefully you're done because I'm done. I'm done.

Oh, I think we are done. Yes, out of control here on episode 25. Well, we're about to take a vacation. Yes, I think that's what it is. Also, senioritis. Going to another planet. Well, we are done here for today. Make sure, and for the year.

So, Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Hopefully enjoy the holiday season. And we will be back. We're taking a break, but we're going to be back after the holiday season. The first week of January, we'll start up again with episode 26. We're galley with more stories. Yes.

It's going to a lot more to come here in the year 2022. Thanks for everybody who's been listening and downloading. please go ahead and start continue to do so over the break Apple Spotify 850WFTL.com and enjoy enjoy all the shows. Give us five extra terrestrial stars

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