UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 26: The Oddities of Skinwalker Ranch

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

Diener and Karen are back from vacation and start off 2022 with a real doozy! What is going on at the "Skinwalker" Ranch in Utah? What are people seeing? Are these demons? Aliens? Or something else? And if nothing is happening, then why would a secret government organization spend five years and over $22 million on investigating it? We explore all those questions and more in this odd and strange episode of UAP. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Happy holidays. We're welcome to 2020 and a new start here to UAP, the Unidentified Alien podcast, Stephen Dina right here and Karen Curtis over there. Hello. Karen, how is your new year? How's everything? Very good. It's the first Friday of the new year that we're recording this.

That's right. Yeah. So thank you for coming back here in 2022 and joining us for more crazy UAP adventures. And before we get into this year today, because this is a weird one about Skinwalker Ranch. If you're not familiar with Skin Walker Ranch, get ready. If you are familiar with it, then also have some fun with us because these stories, they're very, very strange. Some of the things that happen there. Yeah, here's a little tease.

Skinwalker Ranch really derived its name from a curse. All right. So that sets the table. But before we sit down for the main course, I'll just say thank you to everyone who's been. tuning in and listening and downloading and subscribing to the show because it's calling bananas. Yeah, and we really appreciate it. And, you know, most of all, we're just happier and enjoying it because we really love doing this. This is kind of like a passion project. And, you know, it is. It is. And it takes a lot of time to, to produce it, to come up with

what we're doing and things like that. And to make this happen. So we're glad that you're enjoying it. To gather the evidence for you. Yes. So you can decide whether or not we're alone. That's right. And you can, we'll make up your mind here today as well on this newest episode with Skinwalker Ranch. Like you heard, it's going to be weird. We're going to get weird here today. But Karen, do you have a factoid? I do.

Oh, good. Let's hear that first. So astronomers in Hawaii say they've witnessed the death of a star for the first time ever. Oh, my gosh. And I'm not talking about Marilyn Monroe. Okay. Researchers at the Keck Observatory on Hawaii's Big Island. Oh, yeah, I've been there.

Me too. I've never been there. You can ski on the Big Island. Can you really? And that's where Kilauea the volcano is. Holy cow. Oh, yeah, you can ski on Manaloa. Yeah, I know.

You actually spent a lot of time in Hawaii. I have never been there. I went to school there for college. Yes, it was fun. But they revealed in 2020 that they observed a red super giant, about 120 million light years away from Earth and 10 times larger than the sun. Wow. And then they kept logs on it heading up to its end. And it just ended.

Isn't that wild? Astronomers say that they witnessed the rapid self-destruction of the star before it. collapsed into a supernova. And again, we're not talking about Marilyn Monroe. No, Norma Jean. That's right. So it published yesterday, the lead author called it a breakthrough in our understanding of what massive stars do at moments before they die.

That's amazing. Like John Belushi. Oh, no. That is. Enough with a star reference, Karen. That's okay. That's all right. No, but that is amazing.

It's cool, right? Yeah, that's so fascinating because, and that's really the whole, you know, are thinking anyway, which in a lot of people's thinking when it comes to, there has to be something out there because you talk about the vastness of space in the universe and how it just goes on and on. It's bigger than our little minds can ever have them. You cannot really grasp it in your head, but I look at this star's death and I think about the whole universe and there will come a time when the lights go out. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's going to happen one day. But until then, Karen, we're going to keep

in UAP episodes. That's right, darn it. UAP podcast will keep coming at you until the stars go out. Or until an alien actually comes to Earth and goes on tape and does an interview with us, and then we're done. Then we won't have any speculation anymore. No, it's over, so bum. One way or the other, that's all right.

But I look forward to that day when we finally get definitive proof. I don't want to end the show, but I would love to see definitive proof one day. Well, we have some definitive proof coming. I think next week we're going to talk about actual tangible evidence of aliens visiting the earth with like artifacts and stuff. Yeah, there's some weird stuff out there. And speaking of weird, we'll get into it here for this one, which is like you just heard there, Skin Walker Ranch.

So what is Skin Walker Ranch? It's known also as the Sherman Ranch. It's a property that's located about 512 acres of land. It's in southeast or southeast of Ballard, Utah. If you're familiar with the area. It's in Utah. Yeah. And it's pretty much kind of famous for.

being the site of paranormal and UFO-related activities. Notice how it's both there, paranormal and UFO related. Yeah, it might be one of the most active in the whole country. Yeah. And the name is derived from Skinwalker of the Navajo legend. It's concerning vengeful shaman. Do not want to mess with those. What is a shaman?

It's a person regarded as having access to and an influence in the world of good and evil spirits, especially among some peoples of Northern Asia and Northern America. Typically, such people enter a truce. trance state during a ritual and practice divination, which is seeking knowledge of the future and healing. And I have a beautiful explanation of, again, remember Skinwalker Ranch began as a curse, the whole problem there. Here's what the curse is about. The Skinwalker curse has its roots in a feud between the Ute tribe and the Navajo tribe. At a time when the Utes were really aligned with the United States government and had sold many of their peers into slavery.

So the Navajo cursed this property. Placing the Skinwalker curse on this property made it a very real place to avoid. Just like the Seminole Indians put a curse on the Dolphin Stadium when they built the stadium on their burial grounds. I really believe that's the problem, honestly. There's no other because we do the show in South Florida and I'm a big sports guy. I do mainly my thing is sports outside what we do her in UAP. So, yes, I'm a long-suffering dolphins fan, and Karen likes to poke at me. She likes to...

Oh, but it's true. It is true. Anyway, maybe that's for a different episode. We'll talk about the seminal curse in the Miami Dolphins and Joe Robbie. I don't know. But the Skinwalker thing is weird. So what is a Skinwalker? Do you know?

Well, that's the thing. And people kind of dispute back and forth. So the original legend is the Skinwalker was a Navajo shaman, like almost like a witch, an evil curse type thing. that is an evil spirit. Well, I think it's interesting that even back then they knew that, you know, slavery was wrong and they weren't going to have anything of it. But here is an explanation of what a skinwalker is.

A skin walker is essentially a witch that has chosen to put on the skin, essentially, or the form of what can only be described as a giant wolf. A skin walker is something that exhibits superhuman. agility and strength. So I guess the ranch borders the Ute Indian Reservation, and the Uts were the ones that had the slaves, right? They enslaved people. And so the Navajos put the curse on them.

And that's the reservation area. And that's where the ranch is located. So since then, again, according to the legend and sightings and different reports, that is the cursed land where all these things happen. And so the Skinwalker originates also from, you know, the idea of shape. Shapeshifting that these evil spirits can Shape shift into anything like said the wolf a bear whatever it might be But then there's also different reports outside of all that that concern UFOs and the aliens

It's been like 50 years of odd events that have taken place there Yes, sir 50 year history Karen you're talking about the the oddities of Skinwalker Ranch that have gone on according to reports okay again we leave it up to you We'll just tell you what the stories are people have seen numerous incidents that include vanishing and mutilated cattle, which that's something we hear about. I mean, a lot when it comes to UFO sightings and aliens. For some reason, doing experiments on cattle.

There's been a lot of reports of that over the years. You have sightings of course, you know, different UFOs, UAPs, orbs, large animals with piercing red eyes that they say were unscathed when struck by bullets. Now, that's interesting to me, because that reminds me of the story that we told, going back to our Edgar Casey episodes

where they had in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. Right. And in Brazil with the red eyes. And in Brazil where they talked about the alien with the red eyes, but also in Kentucky when they shot at the aliens. Remember we talked about that family in the 50s where the term little green men came from because the newspaper reporter came up with that

even though the aliens that the family saw in Kentucky were silver. We're silver. And the farm family there were shooting at the aliens and nothing happened. So you have again, and this is why I always find interest, when we dive into these stories, you have the same details, the same descriptions on different parts of the country at different times. Yes, there's always a thread of, you know, it's always kind of like the same information

told by different people. A thread of similarity, if you know, through time. Yes, consistency. Right. There you go. But they were unscathed when they were struck by bullets and visible objects emitted destructive magnetic fields. Weird.

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But from 1934 to 1994, it was owned by Kenneth Myers. And this guy is an eyewitness. He was a horse official. And he and Kenneth Myers both loved horses, and they would ride together. And he talks about one of their weird experiences when Kenneth Meyer called him up and said, I can't find three cows. Ken couldn't find three hafers. I got here just at sunrise with my horse.

We rode all day long. And I said, Ken, I don't know what to tell you about your heifers. We can't find fresh tracks, you know. And he had a shed right here. And Ken couldn't get a door to open. So we started pushing on, pushing on, pushing on. I pushed it open as far as I could to the inside. And I looked in there and I said, Ken, you ain't gonna believe this.

Your hafers are in this shit. What? And it goes, no wait, how are you gonna fit? There's three cows in there. They were stacked one on top of each other like this. And he said, they were dead. And I said, this is not still running out of their nose. They're still alive.

And I said, go get a glass of water and dump that right off the top of that happer's head. He did. And that damn thing comes to life. Like they've been drugged. So strange. What? How did the, now listen, unless this guy is just telling a story to try to get on TV or whatever. Because this became a TV show also.

and I'm not trying to like, you know, copy the TV show or anything. It's just a skidwalk a ranch is something that I've been interested in for a while because it's so odd. And apparently a lot of people are interested in enough to the fact that they made a TV show on the history channel. So unless this guy was just making things up to try to get on a show. But otherwise, how do you end up finding cows stacked on top of each other in a shed in a trance-like state? With snot still coming out of their noses. Right. So they weren't dead.

Oh my gosh. That is so weird. And that's just not a story you would. would come up with, right? Yeah, it's too odd. So, as I said, there were multiple owners of the ranch, and you were talking, it's also known as the Sherman Ranch. Well, from 1994 to 96, after the Myers, it was Terry and Gwen Sherman owned it.

And that timeline is something that I really want to point out. Why only two years? Right? Because you're talking about 1934 to 1994 was the first ownership from Kenneth Myers here. That's 60 years. And that was the case of the missing heifers with them. Right. And that's, you know, that's a generational farm at that point.

They decide to sell it. I'm sure, you know, grandkids sell it or whatever. Terry and Gwen Sherman in 1994 by the farm and only keep it for two years. Yeah. A little bit about Terry Sherman and why I find that timeline interesting with him. Terry Sherman was a guy that at that time in the mid-90s was known as a kind of an officianto of breeding cattle. He bred many prize-winning cattle. He was a guy that had a great reputation in that business.

He was a cow guy. Yeah, exactly. So when they sold it to him, they figured, all right, we're selling to somebody who really knows what they're doing, someone who's going to take care of the farm. This guy has a great reputation. The people in the cow world know Terry Sherman. He's a star. And he only stayed there for two years because he was losing so much business from catam mutilations. Oh, my gosh.

He never had a problem. And that was the thing people found strange. Like, what's going on with Terry? This guy never loses a cow. And now he's finding all these dead cows that have their, excuse me, this is gross, have their eye. eyeballs taken out, have, you know, their bones taken out, they're split open down the middle. Blood drained. Yes.

So what is happening with Terry here? How is he losing all these cows? This has never happened to him. Well, that's why he only stayed there two years. So what was happening that would cause those types of things happening on this guy's farm? A guy, again, Karen, that would have no reason to do these things on his own. This is a guy that had a spotless reputation as a prized, you know, cow. He's a cowboy. He's a cowboy.

Yes. So, well, here's one example of someone who saw a UFO, was caught on camera, over the ranch. They're saying maybe this is like a transdimensional portal to other things. Right. Right on this very property, not just that it's cursed. I really never had a paranormal or supernatural experience. It wasn't until being involved with the ranch that I had my first experience that I could not deny. It was a couple of years ago, right above La Mesa, we saw in broad daylight, what could only be described as a UFO.

40, 50 foot long, silver, grayish disc light craft that moved in the blink of an eye from one position to the other. And then within 20 seconds was completely gone. So that was actually somebody who's worked on the farm in previous years, and so we always thought, well, there's nothing much going on here. And then, well, there you go. Yeah, well, so after the Sherman's, then you had Robert Bigelow took over from 96 to 2016. Yeah. And then Brandon Fugel owns it now with the... Atomantium Holdings.

Adamantium Holdings. So that's kind of... Was that Brandon Fugel? No, that was somebody that's... Basically, it's just kind of like a farm hand. Now, you mentioned Robert Bigelow there, Karen. Yeah. This is where things take another odd turn as far as ownership goes.

Because Robert Bigelow owned the farm, or I should say the ranch, from 1996 until 2016, when in 2016 he sold it to Brandon Fugel who will get to here in a little while. But Robert Bigelow is a billionaire. He's kind of an eccentric person, was always into the paranormal UFOs, you know, life and other planets and things like that. And so when he heard that Skywalker, Skywalker, we heard that Skinwalker Ranch. That's a different ranch. When he heard about Skinwalker Ranch was going up for sale, he thought, well, this is my opportunity.

I want to buy this thing and investigate it. So he gets it in 1996 for, you know, I guess a few million dollars. And then at that point, his own investigations begin. Now, he was finding some weird things there. So much so that how, how. about this. Harry Reid. Yes, who by the way, they're having a funeral for and burying tomorrow. Now, Harry Reid is a guy that if you're not familiar, former senator from Nevada, which may have been one of the reasons why he was so interested in UFOs and UAPs because Nevada,

Area 51, he actually had spoken about being in Area 51 as a sitting senator. He went to Area 51 a few times, saw the developments of the stealth helicopter. Remember, and I'll go back in this just a little bit because I want to talk up Harry Reid a little bit to give you why he's important. You remember when the raid at the Osama bin Laden compound took place? And that helicopter, we left a helicopter there. We had to blow it up. And then we saw the pictures. We're like, what kind of helicopter is that? That's when we first learned that the U.S. military had a stealth helicopter. We had never heard of it before. Harry Reid knew about the stealth helicopter 20 years

before it was made public because he saw it being worked on in Area 51. And he also saw the stealth bomber being worked on. So, he was involved in a lot of secret projects that the general public did not know about until years and years later. Well, didn't he start

A-TEP? He did. So, and this is really interesting because when we started doing research into Skinwalker ranch, we kind of went down the rabbit hole and we thought, oh my gosh. We do that a lot. Yeah, we do. You're talking about atyp, which is, again, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Thank you. Tasked with investigating reports of unidentified flying objects, which we now call UAPs and other paranormal phenomena. Yes, exactly. And the reason why that's

important is because this is why all this happened in the first place. The reason why we started this podcast and the reason why all this disclosure has come about on aliens to begin with in the past year and UFOs is because of Harry Reid and ATIP and guys like Luis Elizondo, or Christopher Mellon, who have gone out former government's employees or a guy like Luis Alizando who was one of the main guys of ATIP when it was a secret organization, a secret wing of the Pentagon and the Department of Defense, they were investigating all this to begin with. And then it wasn't until, what, 2017 by the New York Times when they came out with the article that uncovered the whole ATIP thing that said, hey, this thing actually exists.

And then they had to come out and said, yes, this is an actual wing of the Department of Defense. And Harry Reid started that because of Skin Walker Ranch. Oh, geez. We just went full circle. How about that? And here is Harry Reid in 2019 talking about the phenomena. It's a worldwide phenomenon, not just here in the United States. There are certain places we really don't understand why, that there's more occurrences and have been over a long, long time.

Reed wasn't the only senator with a fascination for UFOs. There was John McCain. Sure, John knew what I was doing. I mean, he didn't hide the fact that he was interested also. And Reed admitted to other programs. Other programs that have been done and information they have, including different pieces of evidence. Again, he passed away recently and he's being eulogized by President Obama tomorrow, Saturday.

Right, right. The 8th of January. So may you know how all this comes together, isn't it? I know. It's just timing. So again, going, so to kind of bring this full circle here, why is the guy like Robert Bigelow important? How did he know Harry Reid? So when Bigelow was doing his own investigations at Skinwalker Ranch, he ended up being contact by Harry Reid.

And then they funded the Pentagon and A-Tip funded his investigations. Into the Skinwalker Ranch. Into the Skinwalker Ranch itself. Wow. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world. and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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Didn't read send a physicist there? He did. Oh, my gosh. There was this unnamed physicist that also went there and started talking to Robert Bigelow. And Bigelow said, hey, who is this guy? Should I, you know, trust this guy? He said, yeah, I can vouch for him. He's legit.

That's right. And then at that point, the physicist leaves. It's like, oh, my gosh, what did I just see? Harry Reid takes this unnamed physicist into a meeting with a couple of other senators, and ATIP is born. You know, he did a background check on him first, I'm going to say. So it's just amazing how all this comes full circle. Skinwalker Ranch was so important and so mysterious to this day that they created a whole secret wing of the Department of Defense on the Pentagon just to investigate it. And then, of course, they went down a rabbit hole and started investigating all these other things that came across their play.

to like the Tick-Tac UFO off the USS Nimitz. Right. Well, apparently the physicist within the first 15 minutes of arriving at the Skinwalker Ranch had an experience, quote unquote, but the details have been withheld. You know what else is withheld, Karen? The findings of the investigation during Robert Bigelow's tenure there and his cooperative work with ATIP. Really?

It has not been made public. So whether they found out about, you know, these different videos and sightings of UFOs. And we'll put up one of the videos on the blog on 850WFTL.com. You can search the UAP blog on there. I'll have a picture also of what a Skinwalker, artist renderings of what they look like. Good, yeah.

Because there's a couple of different renderings of what a Skinwalker could look like, as far as sightings, what people have seen. So you can see a couple of different pictures. It's a little frightening. It's a little warning. So if you're going to go look at it, it's a little freaky. You might make you jump a little bit, but we'll have those on there,

as well as one of the videos from, from investigations that were being done into Skinwalker Ranch of UFO that was seen actually kind of flying over a cow. Right. It was hovering over a cow. Very strange. So we'll have all that there on the blog 850 WFTL.com

and you can see for yourself what we're talking about. And that's the only thing that we know as far as evidence goes because the rest of it is being hidden, like we said, from the investigations that were being done by ATIP and Robert Bigelow himself. Yeah. And the current owner, as we said, was it Brandon, Fugel. Yeah. He, you know, he bought the massive, he brought in a massive security force and fenced off the entire place and then started production of a reality investigation show on there.

And this is basically what he has to say about Skinwalker Ranch. Supposedly the site of more paranormal activity in high strangeness than anything else being reported in the country at the time. And over four years, we have recorded and documented phenomena that really defies all natural explanation. It could truly be, you know, the greatest science project of our time. It's really, man, I'll tell you, there's something going on there. That I know, okay, there's something going on at Skinwalker Ranch, whether it's demons, whether it's, you know, some type of evil spirits, aliens, all the above.

Yeah, or when you started kind of tossing this subject out for a possible UAP episode, I thought of, okay, skin walkers, it's what, like a goat or no, excuse me, a wolf taking on some sort of a human form. Like a human form. Yeah. And here in Latin America and South Florida, we have something called a tuba cobra. Sure. And it's a monstrous creature that attacks animals and consumes their blood. It literally means that Spanish words chupa, chupa, it's to suck.

And cobra, goat, is translated into a goat sucker. Yeah. And it's very fearsome and it's probably non-existent, but they say that it's been characterized as the southern equivalent of the Sasquatch, which we have here, they call it in Florida a skunk ape. Yeah, the Everglades. Yeah, yeah, the skunkane. Florida's Bigfoot. That's right. There's been different reports of that as well.

But sucking the blood out of livestock. So again, right. I mean, that kind of goes into the same line of thinking here. You're talking about cattle mutilations. Now, if you're talking about what are, you know, interdimensional beings doing, aliens. whatever you want to call them with cattle. Is it for experiments? Is it for some type of sustenance?

I have no idea. But that's what we do here is we ask the questions. We pose them to you. And you kind of make up your own mind. Why would they be mutilating cattle? Because look, here's the bottom line. Here's the fact is something's happening to those cows. Whether it's humans perpetrating a hoax, for some reason they're destroying their own livestock.

I don't know why you'd want to do that. The incisions are so clean. Yes. And there's no blood. It's very strange. Yes, exactly right. The incisions that they found in each case are so precise. Like they're done with a lightsaber.

Right. Yeah. It makes no sense. Like you said, there's no running blood like you would see from a surgery. Like if some cattle farmer was going to take against being grossier, but, you know, we had to talk about the subject. The cattle farmer was going to take, you know, a saw or something. like that or a knife and cut open a cow, you're going to have a lot of blood stains and things like that.

Yes, there's a bovi. Yeah, there's no blood anywhere. It's weird. It is. I mean, there's no other way to say it. It's weird. It's kind of gross. But again, why is it happening?

How is it happening? How do they find cows stacked on top of each other in a translike state inside of a shed? It's so weird. The hell is that? I don't know. What's going on there? Moe. So, again, all these things are very strange.

strange enough, again, this is worth pointing out one more time, that this secret organization, that was secret up until about five years ago, ATIP, and is no longer, you know, an organization. Now they have another organization that is investigating UFOs and phenomenon like that, UAPs. But when they were investigating it, they funded over $22 million into what amounted as a five-year project into investigating with the cooperation of Robert Bigelow the happenings of Skinwalker Ranch. So they were curious too, curious enough to spend five years and over $22 million on it, at least that we know about. I mean, what other money was spent that isn't on the books that we don't know about? Yeah, and the physicist guy, I wish I knew who he was and what happened.

I would like to know more about that. Yeah, that's another thing that a lot of these things are kept on their wraps. Yeah, yeah. You know, then you have this guy, Brandon Fugel who bought it in 2016, and you know what he's done since then? He's cornered it all off. You can't get in. It's all, they got high security now. It's like an area 51 type thing going on.

Well, what about the four years of video he's got? That's all his own stuff. Oh, he's not going to put it out? Right. Well, no, that's where basically the TV show comes from at this point with his own production company. And they were in there doing this reality show and he got their own investigators. So they have found... The Housewives of Skinwalker Ranch.

Yeah, right, exactly. They have found some intriguing things. I mean, there was... The heifers of Skinwater. They have makeup on. There was one... There was one case where one of the investigators on that show on the History Channel actually was blasted with radiation. Oh.

Like a dangerous amount of radiation so much so that he had radiation burns the next day. Huh. He opened up some type of sanitation tank or a sewer or whatever. And when he opened that up, he felt really sick. Yeah, that's what he said. He didn't feel well. So I don't know if that happens to be from the different nuclear testing that took place in that area or something else that's going on that we don't know about. A portal.

Very odd is. It's the aliens, evil spirits, a Navajo curse, whatever it is, there's definitely something happening there. Maybe it's all the above. Oh, boy. That was a little heavy. Are you okay? I'm okay.

I was thinking it would be a great place to take a honeymoon. Oh, gosh. So, no, I'm glad we got to talk about it, though, because Skinwalker Ranch is one of those things that it's fascinating, it's intriguing, and it's also a little bit scary. because you don't really know what's happening. No, I really had never heard of it, Stephen. You know, Stephen has a whole list of things that he has been compiling for years and years and years because he's been interested in this topic and it exists nowhere else.

He's the only person on the planet that has this list of stuff. I'm the lone source. He is, and we're slowly going through it one by one. Yes. And investigating his list. And another thing on my list is ancient alien artifacts. Love it. Because we've spoken about before, of course, ancient aliens.

We did a whole two-part series on ancient aliens, but that had more to do with their influence on civilization or what their influence could have been on ancient civilizations. This is more touching on artifacts that have actually been found. I love that little gold airplane. Right. That actually, they built a replica of it and it actually would fly. Right, yes.

Yeah. It's perfect the way it's structurally. And the bird, too. There's a wooden bird that the wings are such that it has lift. And the tail is not like a bird tail. It goes the other way like a rudder. We're going to make you ask more questions again. You'll be scratching your head.

Talk about some of these ancient alien artifacts. And there is, it's one of the strangest things I've ever seen. It's this coin. It has a face on it. I don't know what to make of it. But we're going to talk about it next week. And we'll have pictures on the blog for next week's episode as well. Huh.

Very, very, it's actually borderline disturbing. Really? Oh, now I'm interested. Very interested. Okay, cool. So we'll touch on that next time on episode 27 of UAP, but for episode 26 and all other episodes. Be sure to go and download and subscribe wherever you get your podcast, Apple, Spotify, and on 850WFTO.com, where the show lives. You can always catch up and enjoy it there as well.

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