UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 27: Ancient Alien Artifacts: Fact or Fiction?

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

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I'm always happy. Yes. How's it going? I'm a laughing on the inside kind of podcaster. Oh, okay, that's good. So let's say now, again, I just want to say before we get into it, I always, I think I'm going to start with saying thank you because the attention that we've seen towards this podcast has been unlike anything that we could have imagined when we first started it. So I really just want to say thank you to everybody who has been tuning in and has been downloading. Glad you like it.

Yes, that's the thing. we're going to keep trying to keep you interested in doing fun and interesting and intriguing, thought-provoking subjects for you every week. And I think that's what we have here today and a little bit of ancient alien artifacts, fact or fiction? Some of these that you came up with I never even heard of. I mean, we've already talked about the Nostka lines, a lot of the heads on Easter Island, all of that stuff. But we haven't talked about this stuff. This will be new for you, too. Yeah, this is going a little bit deeper, I think, into some of the ancient alien talk.

And again, you know, look, you always hear about ancient, obviously it's a hugely popular show on the history channel. So we're not trying to do that by any means. But we've done our own ancient alien episodes where it was a little bit more on the mysterious, serious side. This is going to be like, okay, what the heck is this? What does it mean? And does it have to do anything with aliens? Is it even real? So that's why we decided to call it ancient alien artifacts, factor fiction.

Because that's kind of what we do anyway. We present you the story and you kind of make a story. and you kind of make up your own mind just from what we're giving you. I think you, Stephen Deiner, you were compiling your list of strange alien what-nots before ancient aliens ever hit the television screen. Yeah, right? Yeah, just about maybe the same time.

It's been on for a long time now. But yeah, it's been a long journey, Karen, of going through this stuff, that's for sure. So I'm glad I did because now we get to talk about it every week. I know. But before we get into all that good stuff and the artifacts and everything, Karen, I have to ask you about your factoid. Yes, you do. You always have a factoid before we get into the meat and potatoes, so what do you got?

I do. Well, you know, the web telescope, which is really, really, really cool. Yeah, we would keep an eye on this thing. This thing is going to be able to see to the edge of the universe. Amazing. And it took years and billions of dollars and almost didn't get made because it almost got canceled a couple times. Right. But it's this huge gold, like, I don't know, like it's a flower that had to deploy.

out in space. So it was like all wrapped up like a at night, you know, a hybiscous has its pedals come in at night and then it opens up in the night. Well, he had to do that in space. So did the web telescope fully deploy out in space or?

Or? Yes, to the relief of scientists, it did deploy. We got our sound effects department working. I know. This one was expensive. Whew. Yeah. Scientists delivered the news during a press conference on January 8th. And they said that the mirror deployment in space went swimmingly as Webb executed the most complicated deployment of its lifetime with no major hiccups.

Just like that. Yeah. Webb has enough fuel, by the way, to gather about 20 years of science. So that in the grand scheme of things is just like infinitesimal amount of time, but it's still cool. What an achievement. I mean, really just the scientific achievements that we've been seen in space, just just in space alone over the. past few years, whether it's, you know, SpaceX or, I mean, with things that Space Force are doing, or now with this, with the Web Telescope, it's unbelievable.

You take Hubble and you expand it thousands of times. That's what this is going to provide. So this is going to be really cool. And Melania on Mars, all these different rovers and building the ships that are going to go to Mars into the moon and deep space exploration that we're doing. So it's exciting stuff. Now, what they're not going to see in space is the vitrified. fortresses of Scotland. Vitrified forts of Scotland.

What is vitrification? Well, it's proven a reliable technology used by the U.S. government and foreign defense waste processing facility. Wait a minute. The process converts liquid, radioactive, and chemical waste and with solid, stable glass, eliminating environmental risks. But really what it is is a molten glass. Right.

And it's like something becomes glass. So that's easy for us to do now, because we have all this technology that can heat things up at, you know, thousands of degrees and at, you know, at a long sustained pace. But if you're talking back, you know, 1,500 years ago, may not have been that easy for people in Scotland. And that's what this first thing here is today. Yeah, because of forts, the rocks have been vitrified. And that's the strange thing. So this was found out, I think, in the 1970s, I want to say, where it was first discovered by archaeologists who said, wait a minute, these fortresses in Scotland.

that are 1,600 years old, how were these rocks pile on top of each other vitrified? They're like glass. And I have to tell you, there are other examples of glass that's formed around the world. Like, there's something called Libyan Desert Glass, and it's a great sand sea glass,

and actually they make jewelry out of it. Wow. The scarab on King Tuts breastplate in his sarcophagus is a, You know, the beetle, is the Libyan desert glass. Really? It's like yellow. And it's found in the areas of the eastern Sahara and the deserts of eastern Libya, western Egypt.

Fragments of desert glass can be found over areas of tens of square kilometers. That is where they believe where lightning hits the sand. Okay, right. So that's heat, right? And the other thing is there's something called Maldivite. And that's in Czechoslovakia only. It's a forest green, olive green, or bluish-green vitrean. silica projectile glass formed by a meteorite impact,

probably in southern Germany. And it happened about 15 million years ago. So it's a finite form. It's a stone. And if you look at Julia Roberts' engagement ring, I think it's Maldivite. Because it's the ugliest damn ring I've ever seen in my life. It's a little green stone.

Oh, my. Yeah. But to her, you know, she likes it. I don't know if each is on, I suppose. Yeah. So it does happen. with lightning and meteorites. Now, see, and I'm glad you said that because all of those things in those different parts of the world can be explained through science.

That's right. Right. Whether you said it's lightning strikes, meteorites, whatever it is. Okay, a lightning can't strike a whole fort. Right, exactly. So in this case, how in the world in Scotland, as we jump into this first one here, in these forts that, okay, imagine, if you will, these forts in Scotland. And then, by the way, found out through all of Europe, all these different sites, hundreds of sites throughout Europe that have vitrified. rocks that essentially, you know, it turns into glass on the side of these rocks. So how are they able to do that?

What kind of help did they have to be able to... Well, what did they get 600 degrees Fahrenheit? I mean, 16,000. You have to go over 1,600 degrees at a sustained pace. Like a kill. So basically, you have to think about almost a volcanic eruption. Now, as far as I know, there aren't any volcanoes in the flatlands of Scotland. So this is why it's kind of baffled scientists.

Dragon breath. It could be dragons. Maybe it's dragons. I don't know. But it's baffled scientists for decades wondering how were they able to do this? Well, academics cannot deny it, Stephen. With such overwhelming evidence in the face of adversity, academia, it would seem, have reluctantly been resigned to agreement

with the extremely controversial facts displayed within these ancient stone forts. Quote, no lime or cement has been found in any of the, these structures, all of them presenting the peculiarity of being more or less consolidated by the fusion of the rocks of which they are built. Now, that's an important point because you're talking about if you're building a fortress, so why would you want to vitrify these rocks? Is it to make it stronger? But when you burn rocks, for the most part, not to get too much into like geology here, but for the most part, it becomes weaker. There are in some cases where it can help glass breaks. Right, exactly.

So why would you even do that? Yeah, so why would you want to do that to fortify your fortress? That wouldn't make much sense. Now, evidence does suggest that the rocks were stacked dry, then set on fire deliberately to fuse them together to one solid rock. So that maybe was kind of like they're thinking, let's make this a solid wall. Maybe they had a torch. A very hot torch. Hey, you.

It's Bill is turning to stand there with the torch for three weeks. Light those rocks on fire. Three weeks. Now, the only explanation. they can come up with, and this was a study that was conducted and published in the Journal of Archaeological Science back in 1978.

Must be real. It must be. So they found that simply burning an ordinary timber-laced wall cannot account for the strong vitrification found. I can't say the word. And that the fire is probably raised for days with sustained high temperatures over a thousand

degrees. So that's really the only way you could do this, which is to have something over 1,000 degrees for days. to be able to get this result. How? Yeah, and it's pure silica, which requires temperatures, as you said, above 1,600 degrees. Or hotter.

It's hotter than any igneous rock on Earth. So now keep in mind, too. That's like molten lava. Yeah, exactly. It's hotter than igneous rock, Stephen. Maybe they had some type of technique we didn't know about that has been lost to history, which is possible. Or they had help from some type of ancient alien,

extraterrestrial thing going on here, which is, of course, theories from ancient Egypt and things like that as well. The only possible way, Karen, to have fires that are contained, such as what they needed to do that, is by filling the space between the rocks in with timber framework with soil, clay, combustible materials such as peat. I see. Peat.

It seems unlikely, though, that the walls were burned accidentally or sent on fire by enemies, which means that it was deliberate, leaving the question again, why? So you're saying they could have put peed in there and then lit the peat? It's possible. So there could be some type of natural explanation to this. Maybe they came up with a technique, again, that is lost to us. Yeah.

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and it's almost like they're fused. Yeah. It's all around the world that way. It's so weird. You know, right. And with all these questions about these ancient sites, they have these perfect cuts, these perfect circles that can only be done with tools that we have today. It's almost like the rocks had to be liquid.

it at one point. Yeah, right. So what left scientists and archaeologists even more baffled was when they found out, wait a minute. Oh, geez. It's not only in Scotland, but it's throughout Europe. Yeah. Now there's about 70 sites in Scotland, but a couple of other hundreds examples throughout Europe. So it's

Scotland's a weird place, you know. It's got fairies and it's got the thing in the Loch Ness Monster, Nessie. There's a lot of legends around in Scotland. Yeah, a lot of legends and weird stuff going on there. Does it do they have the Blarney Stone too, right? least so.

No, that's Ireland. Oh, sorry. Sorry, don't want to offend anybody in Europe. Sorry. We do have listeners in Europe. Thank you to our European listeners, by the way. We have not forgotten you. We appreciate you.

Now, aside of that, again, so we just want to present some of these weird things to you, and you can make up your own mind. Do they have some type of ancient technology that has been lost of time, or is there something more going on here? Yeah. How do you light a rock on fire? There you go. Now, moving on, Karen, to another.

kind of weird thing here. And you're going to have to, this isn't like a shameless plug here for the website. You really are going to kind of have to follow along with visual aid on a couple of these. The pictures of this stuff. Now, the rocks, we can explain. You can picture that.

We're going to do our best to explain these next few things and put the picture in your head. But I highly suggest to follow along for Visual Aid at 850WFTL.com. Go to the podcast section and look for UAP because when you click on that, you'll see our blog section and on there you're going to find the pictures of what we're about to speak about in these next few stories because you really have to get the visual to appreciate what we're referring to here in these next few subjects. But you have seen some characterizations of what we're going to talk about in film. Yes, that's true.

And we'll explain that. So what in the bleep is the Cathal. And this says, may I please buy a vowel, Pat? Because this is spelled C-T-H. Yeah, C-T-H. U-L-H-U. That's correct. Now, just to give some type of background here,

you may be actually familiar with the Cthulhu legends, the mythology, because it's a fictional cosmic entity created by famous writer H.P. Lovecraft. It was first introduced in his short story called The Call of Cthulhu. Uh-huh. Okay. So that was published in the magazine Weird Tales back in 1928. It's considered to be... It's an American Pulp magazine.

That's correct. It's considered to be a great old one within the pantheon of Lovecraftian cosmic entities. This creature has since been featured in a bunch of different, you know, popular culture references. Lovecraft depicts it as a gigantic entity. Now here's where you kind of have to use your imagination. And it's worship by cultists. It is actually. It's kind of like its own cult now, the Kathulhu cult.

And it's kind of shaped like a green octopus, okay? This character that he came up with. It's got an octopus dragon type of feel to it. A caricature of human form, though, all right? Its name was given to Lovecraft-inspired universe, the Cthul Mythos, where it exists with its fellow entities. So it's this whole different world, really. Imagine like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter.

This was kind of like mythology before all those were created. It has its own world to it. Middle Earth. Yeah. It looks like it's got an octopus coming out the face of a man, and it's the character. Imagine Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean. Pirates of the Caribbean.

So, yeah, it looks just like that character. Pretty much. Yeah. But it's green. For any nerds out there like me, you might argue me with me and say, well, Lord of the Rings was out in 1928. I understand J.A.R. Tolkien was working on those pretty early, so sorry if I offended any Lord of the Rings fans. Oh, yeah. You get it.

It's a very huge contingency out there carrying. You don't want to mess with Lord of the Rings fans. No. So it's, but yeah, so imagine that. Imagine Davy Jones from Pirates of the Crows. So why are we bringing this up? What the heck are we talking about? Why are we even talking about this?

Because, and this is where the visual aid will help on the website, 850wFTL.com on the UAP blog, there was a tablet found. And on the tablet, this was found about 10 years ago off the coast of the USA, actually. Really? Which one? Which coast? The East Coast. Okay.

And also, you're right, on the East Coast. They should mention that. And on this tablet is strange, kind of ruin-like writing. Oh, I love the Roon. Okay, so imagine that. A stone, like a clay tablet. Imagine like the Ten Commandments from the movie. And above the writing is a depiction, a picture of this face that matches, at least kind of matches, the fans say, the Cthulh character that Lovecraft created back in 1928.

But like the octopus coming out of the face. Yeah, kind of like the octopus beard, if you will. It's like this octopus human face. Okay. So this tablet, it's a single tablet, it has that face on it on the front, it's sculpted into it, and then below it again is kind of like, looks like ruin-like writing. Or sanskrit? Sandscreen, yeah, some type of ancient language that's, you know, sculpted into this tablet.

Again, this tablet was found about 10 years ago, supposedly, allegedly, off the East Coast of the United States. Has it been authenticitized? Not exactly. It's very mysterious. No one knows what to make out of it. Johnny Depp made it. Maybe he did. Now, there's plenty of theories.

One of the theories is, Karen, that this tablet was made for some type of cosplay thing. When it came to the Kathulhu universe, maybe this was something that, you know, a super fan made. And it was used for some type of game or play. Can't they carbon date it? I'm just saying. Okay. It's out there. Okay.

You can look at it. You make up your own mind. But they haven't tried carbon dating. I don't know why. Again, this is one of those things. Fact or Fiction. Is this complete BS or is there something to this? It does look old. Whoever made this did a very good job. Yeah, it was found on a beach in the United States in 2013 and it's remained a mystery ever since. Or is it possible, Karen, and I will throw this theory out to you as well as you are on the website looking at this picture. That it fell off the black pearl?

Maybe. Or was this something that is ancient? Was it something that H.P. Lovecraft actually had in his possession and inspired him to create the Cthulhu? He wrote that, what, back in 1928? Correct. So maybe this is a real ancient piece. Was it near Oak Island? Maybe. Don't get me started on Oak Island.

Oh, gosh, that's a whole other episode. Oh, yeah. Give me going down a huge rabbit hole there. Please. Yeah. But it is odd. If you look at the picture of this thing on the website, like I said, on the U.A. people. then you can see what we're talking about.

Because is this complete garbage? Is this something that was made by somebody planted there? They're trying to pass it off as, you know, a fake ancient alien artifact. Or is it proof of an ancient alien civilization that maybe this is where Lovecraft drew his inspiration from. The Cthew is like hundreds of meters tall, webbed, human-looking arms and legs, a pair of rudimentary wings on its back. Yeah. Its head is depicted, you know, it's similar to the entity of the giant. an octopus, but it's got the tentacles surrounding its mouth.

Yeah, and again, that's something this isn't like, you know, a skeleton that was found or something that's depicted in ancient Egyptian's text. This is something that was created by H.P. Lovecraft. He's an author. He's a storyteller. So that's his character that he created, his universe he created, like Tolkien did with Lord of the Rings. But the ironic thing here, and this is why we brought it up in the connection with the story,

is people call this tablet, the Kathulhu tablet, because of the... monster-ish, you know, depiction on the front of it looks like that monster. So it's odd. Where does it live now, the tablet? No one knows. It kind of disappeared. Oh, really? So there's a photo of it, now we don't know where it is? Yeah, it's just kind of in the...

Ether. It's in the ether. Huh. Yeah. So it's kind of just around somewhere. All right, perfect. Well, that moves us on to the next topic, and I'll let you pronounce these statues. The Ein Gazal humanoid statues. Right, too. They're very weird statues. The oddly designed sculptures are humanoid, but were made without arms and don't have any distinguishing features that would identify their intended gender. Perhaps the most haunting

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Toyota, let's go places. So now the important thing to note here is, now these have been dated. These are real statues. This isn't something that, you know, it's like the tablet we spoke about can be disputed if it's even a real thing or not. No, this is the real thing. This was found, like you said, an archaeological dig in Aungazal, Jordan. Dates back 9,000 years.

That's the amazing thing about this. Some of them are two feet tall and some of them are. Now, keep in mind, these were made during their pre-pottery Neolithic period. Wow. Okay. Now, they have a total of 15 statues and 15 busts that were discovered between 1983 and 1985 and two underground cachets in Jordan. They were created about 200 years apart, those 30 statues and busts.

So these were something that generations of people living in Jordan, generations of Middle Eastern people were working on over 200 years. Why? They look like they don't have eyelids. They're extremely strange looking. They're like bug-eyed. Like they have not glaucoma, but they have that thyroid disease. What is it that Barbara Bush had? Yeah, where it kind of makes like your eyes bulge out.

It's, I don't know if the whole race of people in Jordan had like this eye disease where your eyes are bulging out or if the artists were just not very good. Look, it's possible that maybe these artists who created these statues over 200 years apart were just terrible at art. Okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. That's what it is. We have people now who I'm awful at art. You're a great artist. I can't draw a stick figure.

Yeah, but I mean, without arms, you can draw an arm. I could draw possibly an arm or two, maybe some fingers. So it's possible that maybe everybody who made these statues over a 200-year period were all equally as terrible at art. Or it's possible that they were specifically trying to depict a humanoid type of creature. And that's exactly what they looked like. So again, you need the visual here. You're going to have to go to 850wftl.com.

If you're not there already looking at the blog and take a look at these things. because honestly they're a little frightening, like they're creepy. Graves disease. Oh, no, that's what it's called. There you go. Okay. It makes the eyes bold job. So just to point the picture again, all right, in case maybe you don't have access to the internet at this point, which I don't know how you wouldn't since you're listening to a podcast, but nevertheless, just to paint the picture.

The statue's a few feet tall. It's got these. Well, no, they go from two feet to, like, really tall. Yeah, to about six feet, seven feet tall. So let's say this one is four feet tall, okay? So it's got a normal torso. You got the legs, builds up to a torso. You got the chest area.

No arms. No arms. Okay. Yeah. Which is, you know, if you have no arms, it's hard for you to make a statue. Also true. And then you have the neck and the head. Now, the head is where things become a little weird.

Because you have these oddly shaped heads that kind of resemble aliens. Then you have the almond giant bulging eyes that resemble what we look at in pictures of gray aliens. And you have these little slits for nose. And you have no ears. It looks like a gray alien. Yeah. I'm just gonna come out and say it. Then they're binary too.

I mean, we don't know. There's no gender to them. Right, right. Which I found intriguing because that's something you brought up before, Karen, is that whenever we hear these depictions of aliens, we never hear about gender specific things. No. They're, you know, and we're moving toward that. No.

Well, where men are turning into women, women are turning into men, and eventually we'll just be able to be hermaphroditic and just be, you know, Maybe that's what's going on there. I don't know. But the fact that these were made 9,000 years ago. And quite frankly, you can be the judge yourself. Pre-pottery. Pre-pottery. You could be the judge yourself.

They couldn't even make a bowl, but they can't. They can make these statues. So how are they doing that? How do they have the material and know-how, of course, to be able to make these things? But they were my theory, and you can agree or disagree when you see the pictures, these were people, again, over 200. If these were just made over like a few months, then I could go with the theory of this guy was just a bad artist. But this was a tradition that was passed down from generation to generation over a couple hundred years.

So that's what kind of makes me think, hmm, these are specific to somebody's look. They were instructed to make these to look a certain way. Right. So my theory is, yeah, these are depicting some type of humanoid creature. Maybe people just looked weird back then 9,000 years ago. Or they were trying to depict somebody or something that they were seen by making these statues to, honor them. Now, unlike the tablet, which we have no idea where it is. Yeah. These you can see. One of them is, some of them are in the Jordan Museum in Amman. Then you've got a couple of them loaned to

forum museums. You've got one statue in the Louvre in Paris. Parts of three other statues can be seen in the British Museum in London. And one of the figures with two, by the way, yeah, this one has two heads. That's right. Remember? Yes, thank you. Yeah. Let's not bury the lead here. That's on show in the Louvre at Abu Dhabi. So apparently there's a Louvre in Abu Dhabi. Yes. That's cool. That's pretty cool, actually.

Well, we have a person, there's that girl that has the two heads. You've seen her. Yes, that's true. There is a birth deformity where, you know, you have twins and they get attached to one body. Yeah. You can have conjoined twins. You can have the one body with the two heads. We have seen that before.

So maybe there was something like that back then. And they didn't know how to describe it, obviously. Right. Very strange. 850 WFTL.com podcast, go to the UAP, and you'll see our blog page. And you can see these pictures along with what we were just talking about to with the tablet. And the next thing that we're going to talk about as well. Yeah.

This I have to scratch my head and go, maybe not, Stephen, but, you know, give it the old college try. I'm just throwing it out there. With these Egyptian, quote-unquote, coins. They're really creepy, I must admit. And they may or may not prove that aliens did live among the Egyptian. I'm just throwing it out there. Look, factor fiction. I think that's exactly what happened.

This is, someone throw them out there. Yeah, maybe. But this is why we named the episode, ancient alien artifacts, factor fiction. You make up your mind. Now, this next one, like Karen said, it's a set of ancient Egyptian coins, supposedly, allegedly, that were found in a dig through a house renovation, actually. A house renovation. In a dig. Yeah, it was on HGTV.

That's right. It was a dig from construction workers. It was a house. Egypt. In Egypt. Yeah. The Egypt edition. I was just saying these coins, that's where they were found in a house renovation back in Egypt in 2016.

So five and a half years ago, maybe. Sure. Dates back five and a half years ago. Now, according to a website called Mysteriousearth.net, so we'll give them a little plug here. They say a group of people who worked on the renovation of a house in southern Egypt found the number of very rare coins. They call the coins unique because other coins. that were found have no images of a strange human figure. The site also adds that it is possible that the coins show visiting aliens on planet Earth.

Right. That it could show that. The site also notes that one of the coins, which have not been authenticated... That's right. We must emphasize that. I will emphasize that. I'll be fair. They have not been authenticated. But it has the Latin phrase opportunus adest carved on the back, which means it's here in due time. Oh, I like it. What's here in due time?

Wow, one coin seems to show the head of an extraterrestrial being. It's got like the, it's actually got a really kind of chiseled face with high cheekbones. Yeah. The hollow almond eyes, bald head and the thin cheeks. Right. And the other seems to depict, what, what, a spaceship, right? It's, it's, yeah, there's no. Covering.

These are not up for interpretation. When you see the pictures on the UIP blog, it's a picture of an alien on the front of a coin. He's wearing some type of tunic, which was weird. And it has what looks to be Greek lettering on the side. And then on the back is the UFO. hovering. You see clouds, you see the UFO, and it has that Latin phrase. So you have a couple of different languages

on this coin. And are they made a gold and silver? Do you know what they're made out of? Yeah, I believe it was a goldish looking coin. They found a couple different ones. It was one of those gold, one that was silver. Now, I will just throw this theory out there as well because I like to present both sides. The skeptics say that these are what are called hobo coins. Hobo coins. Hobo coins are something that

essentially came about because you would have hobos who were traveling, you know, right in the rails. They would take coins and sculpt their own things in them. Because you had older coins that were kind of more easy to fashion. Yeah, but these are well done. These are very well done. These are very intricately and very good artists made these coins. So you can, again, make up your own mind.

You can look at the pictures. Franklin Mint. Yeah, right. I mean, they look really, there's a lot of detail in these. I mean, they're rudimentary and old looking, but they're very well. Well done. They are. So the question is, were these actual ancient Egyptian coins depicting clear pictures of aliens and UFOs?

Or is a complete BS and they were made by somebody and that's that's that. You make up your own mind. You be the judge. Not only on that one, but on all these stories we talked about today because they're going to leave you scratching your head, which is quite frankly the goal. That is the goal. We're like the movie, don't look up. You know, it's just we throw a bunch of stuff out there. You can believe it.

If you want, if you don't want to, that's fine too. Now, some of these were a little bit more fantastical today. I will admit that. Sometimes we have a little bit more things that are harder to refute. These things today were maybe a little bit more easier to say, ah, that's ridiculous. But if you look a little bit deeper, you kind of start to scratch your head a little bit and say, hmm, maybe there's something to these. I think what's interesting is that books and also movies, film kind of depict these things that we talk about.

Yeah, that's true. close encounters of the third kind was actually made and it tells the story of something that actually might have happened. Yeah. That people won't believe, so they'll make a movie out of it. Right.

And then you've got this thing with the octopus on Pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, the Davy Jones character looks just like this thing on the tablet. That alien thing has been seen before. That, you know, the alien and alien, they make their props to look like things that have actually possibly existed. And maybe been described at some point.

So you can, again, take a look for yourself. Last time I'll say it, 850wFTL.com on the UIP blog. You can check out all these pictures, everything that we have up there for you and make up your own mind. And, you know, just so you can say that this is absolute ridiculousness or, again, maybe there's something to these. I think parts of it are believable. I cannot figure out how they vitrified the Scottish fort. That's amazing. That's weird.

That's a fact. Those vitrified rocks are there. So, you know, how did that happen? But make up your mind, and you can make up your mind again with us next week. When we talk about something, we're going to go a little bit down on a different road here. Okay. What do you think about giants, Karen? Giants.

Good in the NBA. All right. That's good. Good center. Good beanstalk makers. Andre the Giant. Beanstock makers. There is actual, I think, and I've always been interested in the subject of giants, because even if you look back into the Bible,

There's a lot of different indications, archaeological digs, finding things that can only be explained by people who were a certain height. How else would it be used? So we're going to, no pun intended, dig a little deeper into the possible real-life history of giants. I love it. Who lived on the earth. And I'm sure I'll find some type of mysterious, you know, extraterrestrial connection there as well. But we're going to go go a little bit different on that next week because I think there might be something to this.

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