UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 5 Alien Abductions and Star Maps

Episode Date: November 30, 2025

On this last day of our special week of thanks, we recall episode of five of UAP in its original form as the incredible story of Betty and Barney Hill made its first appearance on the show. A New Hampshire couple, claimed to have been abducted in 1961 and taken aboard an alien spacecraft. Betty Hill famously drew a star map from memory during regression that supposedly showed the star system Zeta Reticuli, from which the alien abductors had allegedly said they came from. Also, hear from a doctor who says he removed devices implanted by aliens in people during abductions.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm well. I am a uphologist. Oh, you became a uphologist over this past week? See, that's what this... It's a neologism derived from UFO. No, that's good. That's what we can do for you here on this podcast, is making you an expert. And today is really something for episode five.

It's kind of like a landmark episode, right? It is. Yes. So we're going to tackle something here that we haven't done yet because mostly what we've done is go over some of the biggest, most interesting, mysterious happenings in UFO, UAP history. Ever since Congress came out with their report about UFOs and, you know, declassifying some things basically saying they don't know what they are, but they're not sure if they're alien. and the only went back to 2004 on that report. So we thought, my gosh, there's so much they left out. And, of course, all the things that we've already covered with, like Rendezum Forest and Malmastorme Air Force Base, Operation High Jump, Roosevelt, not Roosevelt, Eisenhower's meeting with the aliens.

And now we're going to do something different, and that is abductions. Right. You think UFO sightings are just a modern phenomenon, but did you know that the Puritans were the first to record strange shining lights in American skies in 1639? So that's the first recorded one of us, if you want to go back to ancient times with cave paintings and things like that. Right, right. Outside of that. I guess you can say in these modern times, if you will, 500 years ago, compared to world history, that's modern times. Yeah, so John Winthrop, the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, he recounted a great light in the night sky over the Charles River.

How about that? It was part of the Bridgewater Triangle. I don't know if you know about this, but it's a territory of southeastern Massachusetts where reports of paranormal happenings. occur, including sightings of UFOs, Bigfoot, ghostly panthers, giant birds, and fiendish dogs. That sounds like a whole other episode right there on its own. We can look into that one day. I don't know. Because there's, you know, it goes throughout history.

I mean, last week we had presidents and aliens. One that we left out was George Washington. There's a famous story with George Washington where he says, you know, there was an angel that showed him on a map, where to go, and all these things. Some people say that was aliens, so who knows. Interesting. Did you know he had teeth that were made out of springs, wood, and cow teeth? Yeah, it sounded very painful.

It's in the Smithsonian. Anyway. But he was not abducted. No, well, maybe he got his teeth from him. Not that we know of, yeah. But why do the aliens visit us? You're the expert. You're the euphologist.

I mean, I've seen that they want our gold, that they're studying us because we have a soul and they don't have a soul. And they're like, what is that? Don't know. They want to make sure that we don't destroy the Earth with our nuclear well. weapons. That's a theory because they do come toward a lot of nuclear facilities. Yeah, well, I think it was our second one where they paralyzed all the missiles. The missiles, right. They want to impregnate us with their, like, and so they have like hybrid breeding.

Hybrid breeding. Right. Or edit our DNA, which we may be alien. You and I may be part alien. There's a whole other theory to that. Because there's no missing link. You don't go from ape to like us. I'm definitely part alien. There's no doubt in my mind about that. You are. That's for sure.

You're a gray. But the question is, I mean, like you said, why do they come here? I don't know. And that's something that has been asked by actually one of the alien abductees. Because some of these stories we're going to go through today are really the most interesting, the most unresolved cases that are out there when it comes to alien abduction stories. But the thing about them, Stephen, is that they're all almost identical in. similar in description.

Right. I want to rely on the trustworthy 60 Minutes Australia. If you want to get real news, you got Australia. Sure. And this is some of the descriptions from alien abductees. Lizard looking, not pleasant. The creatures that I have seen mostly have been the grays. And when I say tall, I'm not talking six feet.

I'm talking very tall, like 10 feet tall. Usually about three to four foot tall. Real big almond shape, black. eyes. The face was oval. The being itself could have been more than three feet tall. It was sitting cross-legged at the top left-hand corner of my bed. Have you ever had that? Have you ever had sleep paralysis? I've had sleep paralysis, but not to the point where you have sightings, so to speak. Some people have, you know, they attributed to night terrors. I don't know what people are seen in their sleep paralysis, but thankfully I've never seen it. I saw something at the end of my bed. I had it.

I thought it was my mom. I was like, Mom. Oh gosh. It was terrifying. It is scary. And you hear the different descriptions there. I mean, you know, talking about lizard legs, so you could attribute that to the reptilians, and talk about the short graze, you talk about, you know, some species who are 10 feet tall. That could be what they refer to as the tall whites. Some of them say the praying manis. They look like a praying manis. Yeah, I've heard that one before as well.

So there's obviously different species out there that, you know, people refer to in their sightings and things like that. And the Nordics. The Nordics. That's right. Yep. He met with the Nordics first. But you go back to episode four to hear about that. Yeah.

But on these, it's really interesting because just on a couple of these cases that we're going to hit today, because we could do a two-hour episode, honestly, on there's so many abduction stories. One of them, I think there was a guy named Travis Walton who had a really detailed abduction story, but we're not going to go into that one too much today. We have one that was local from South Florida. We've got Betty and Barney Rubble. No, I mean. Hill.

That's right. But before we get there, I want to lay the groundwork in terms of trying to give some credence to these reports. The Harvard University Medical School is embracing little gray men and alien abductees. This guy, Dr. John Mack, he's a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. And he's a lot similar to Brian Weiss, Dr. Brian Weiss, who went to Yale and he headed up Mount Sinai's psychiatric division. And then he started to interview people and regress them, and he realized he wrote many lives, many masters. And some of these abductees are hypnotized in order to get to elicit the story. So there's some suggestion that these people are suggestible because anything through hypnosis.

But this guy at Harvard Medical School, School of Psychiatry, has written a book on this because he saw so many patients that were saying the same things. He said this. What has happened to these people is what they say is happening. happened to them, even though I fully recognize that that's not possible in the worldview in which they and I were raised. I have no idea how the abductees are chosen. They seem to cut across every socioeconomic level. They seem to be, this is kind of paradoxical, since everyone's always trying to blame this on psychopathology, they seem to be unusually mentally sound. In other words, they seem to pick people who are particularly strong, stable, open-minded. So, yeah, and

And as with Dr. Weiss, you know, when you think you have a past life, people think you're nuts. Right. And unfortunately, you get this stigma that gets attached to you and people think, like you said, people think you're crazy. Oh, that guy who says, you know, he lived another life or was abducted by aliens and you kind of get discarded. Exactly. And that's why a lot of sighting stories or abduction stories never really get reported because they're afraid that people are going to make fun of them. Exactly. And some people, like you're going to hear from Betty and Barney Hill, that's what happened to them.

But Dr. Mack, he is a Pulitzer Prize-winning bestselling author. He also wrote a book on alien abductions, and he's dead. Oh, well, you know, that happens. He died in London in 2004. He was hit by a drunk driver. Oh, geez. A drunk alien. Yeah, may he be.

They were after him. I don't know. But no, but that's terribly sad. But he wanted everybody to know that this shit is real. To me, this was utterly not possible when I first heard about it. And I didn't write about it. I didn't speak publicly about it for two years. This grew out of the experience.

is of case after case after case. So it was not like believing anything. It's, I came cautiously, reluctantly, gradually to take this as seriously as I did. What the source of this is, what these beings are, where they come from, what creates this intelligence, I don't know. But there's something profoundly important going on here that is authentic and real. I mean, he says it right there. Again, that's not us, you know, seeing it. Maybe we theorize about things that as a psychiatrist, a doctor, someone who, again, who can put, you know, some credence to this and say that's somebody who really has some backing, telling you right now on this show that what people are, what they're experiencing with these abductions are real. I mean, they go back in these hypnotic states, which you're going to hear in a little while, too, from Betty Barney Hill. Yeah, right now, actually.

It's really something. This story is, to me, one of the most fascinating abduction stories out. out there because there's so many layers to it. So lead us in Karen to Betty Barney Hill. So they are a New Hampshire couple. They claim to have been abducted in 1961. Correct. And taken aboard an alien spacecraft.

So here's Betty. This light stopped in mid-aird directly in front of us. The car motor style. And at that point, I realized that they undoubtedly planned to take us on board. So they had lost time. I think it was two hours. Two hours. And the car was 35 miles from where the light took them up, they said?

Yeah, it was further down the road. So Betty famously drew a star map from memory in 1964 under psychoanalysis, or I think hypnosis. And the map supposedly showed the sky as seen from a planet orbiting the star, Zeta reticula, from which an alien abductor had arrived. So it's, you know, there's entangled particles and like your particles over here and the other one's billion light years away, and they're doing the exact same thing. I don't know. This is what it reminds me of,

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astronomy she wasn't a hobby what happened is her at least her story goes when she was hypnotized and you know through regression and all that she had the memory of being on the UFO on the ship with the aliens and asking them and they were they weren't being mistreated by the aliens at least you know in their case

in some cases that's not always how it goes but in their case she actually actually had conversations with him that she recalled through her regression in the hypnosis. And in that, she talks about asking the aliens, where did you come from? Like, you know, how did you get here type thing? Who are you? And he showed her, the aliens showed her a three-dimensional star map that she described as like a rectangle.

And something that you kind of see, like out of Star Wars. Imagine that where it was a hologram that came up. And that's what she was looking at, except this was about 15 years before Star Wars ever came out. And so when he was explaining, the alien was explaining this to her basically as a binary star system. Again, you're Star Wars as an example where they have the two sons on Tatooine as the sons were setting on Luke Skywalker. They have the two sons. So that's essentially what a binary star system is where you have those two stars next to each other, so to speak. Two sons.

Yes. And so in this Zeta reticulized system, it wasn't something that was talked about a lot. You would only know about this star system if you were into stars, if you were some type of, you know, astronomer. So there was no reason for her to know this, especially... It's very obscure. Especially for her to be able to draw the map. She drew the map exactly on how the star system actually is in the sky. And there's a planet with those two stars?

There is. And she actually drew lines as well. And she asked the alien, what are these lines? And, you know, after she drew them, she explained that the alien told her. the lines were basically what they traveled, essentially like a roadmap. It's what they had mapped to other planets. So, again, this is something that, you know, Betty Hill, a woman in 1961 in New Hampshire, is drawing these detailed star maps of a star system that nobody is talking about if you're just a normal person.

And she's getting it, I mean, dead on. I mean, they put it up against Constellation Star Map and it was dead on. So how was she able to do that? And I do believe that when Betty and Barney came forward, they were kind of dismissed. Yes. What happened was they had to be regressed as we were talking about, and here is part of that. My wife decided, well, we should notify someone, and we thought of notifying of the military base located in this area. A radar had detected something unidentified and had reported it through channels inside the Air Force.

They had tracked an unidentified craft. 2.14 a.m. just about the time we estimate that the UFO left. They developed a series of nightmares and as a result of that, the uphologists told them you should be regressed hypnotically to try to see if you remember more. Oh, all right. Then Captain, they're still asleep. Looks like a big pancake with windows. So you hear that there, that was, it's a little, it's a little extreme. but we wanted to play that for you.

That was the actual recording of the regression therapy session. Very upsetting. And you hear Betty and Barney Hill there basically reliving what they saw being scared, obviously, during their abduction. And Barney Hill recalls seeing figures in the windows as the UFO approached. So it's a chilling case. It's a fascinating case. And it's one that for me has stuck with me since I heard it years ago.

It's totally fascinating. And what's even more fascinating this couple is interracial? That was the thing about this, too, that made it tough for them, because let's just face it. Let's be honest here, it's 1960s. In the Northeast, and they're an interracial couple. So, like, it wasn't hard enough to come out and say that you're abducted by aliens. You're an interracial couple in 1961 who has to come out and claim this and hope that people take you seriously. So a harder situation got harder, if you can imagine that for them.

Yeah. Either way, they're heroic. I think it's fantastic that, you know, they came out with their story and they stuck with it. And we're talking about it today in 2021. And the other intriguing thing about this, Karen, because we have a local guy actually coming up next. And this is a fascinating story out of the from the late 80s, I think in 1989 that we're going to get to in a second. But they, after they got abducted and they, you know, reported to the police, after the full investigation was done, the official police report says alien abduction, close to counter of the third kind.

That's in the record. That's in the police record in New Hampshire. So, you know, again, make up your own mind. That's the story. That's their own testimony that you heard there. The sound that we played was Benny and Barney Hill. It's, to me, the most fascinating and the story with the most proof of alien abduction of all the stories I've ever come across. And it's funny you bring up close encounter of the third kind.

Those definitions were actually the Project Blue Book people came up with the classification. of these types of encounters. The first kind siding of one or more UFOs at a distance, 500 feet or less. Second of kind is siding of a UFO with associated physical effects, heat electrical interference. And third kind is siding of an animated being, presumably an alien, but not specifically defined as such. So that's what she had.

And speaking of Project Blue Book, we have a tie-in with our next person. Yeah, because actually Project Blue Book is a whole other story. So I think we might do like full Project Blue Book next week. But Dr. Alan Heinek was the lead investigator, researcher on Project Blue Book, which was basically a government study into UFOs back in the 50s and 60s. And he got involved with Betty and Barney Hill and with the case they're about to talk about now. Yeah, Project Blue Book was the code name for the study of unidentified flying objects by the United States Air Force from March 1952. And then it was terminated in December of 1960.

And it was headquartered at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. That's right. And they collected all kinds of information on abductions and UFO sightings. It was just, it was amazing. But when they closed up shop, they closed up shop. So they say. But one guy in particular, which I'm sure was investigated by somebody in the government, was Felipe Cardenas, I believe his name is right?

Silberto. I'm sorry, Philberto, the memory of Philberto. So, Alberto Cardenas, out of Hialeah, you say? Yeah. And he was right next to Opelaca. That's right. And in 1989, he was out for a drive. He was a Cuban immigrant, came here with his family and had his own business,

went to go pick up some pork on a Saturday night for dinner that we're going to make on Sunday. For a Cuban sandwich. I mean, as any good Cuban wood in Miami, they got all of the Cuban pork sandwiches. And so they were on the way to go do that. And on the way home, the car breaks down. And in the car, and what makes this interesting, Karen, is in the car were witnesses. It was, I believe, some family members in the car with him and friends. There were four people, and he was one of the four.

But he was the only one taken. And the car breaks down. They were out checking. They open up the hood. They look in and they can't figure out what's going on. So it's one of those same things that everyone seems to experience if they're in a car is, everything just shuts. It dies. Exactly.

All the lights go out. The radio turns off. You hear that so frequently with these. stories even when there's no abduction involved when a UFO flies over there's some type of electrical interference that just kills your car and well you know in the end he ended up his story got taken and then what happened well yeah you want to know yes okay sure because what happened next is he actually and this is it's going to sound crazy okay but we've talked about a lot of things on here that have sounded crazy before but this is his story

Don't worry, Diener. We all know that you're a euphologist. That's right. He tells the story, again, through regression, where they took him and he saw these shorter aliens. He describes the short kind of gray aliens wearing what he described as like metallic overalls. And they took him into the ship and eventually ended up taking him underwater, which is interesting because going back to the USS Nimitz case, In 2014, which started this whole congressional investigation where the pilots saw these UFOs, the UAPs in the air, and in some cases diving down into the water. And what at that point, they're classified as a U.S.O, which was an unidentified submerged object.

And so from there, Philberto in 1989 was talking about these crafts going underwater. What body of water here in South Florida? They didn't say, but I'm just going to assume it was somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean. Okay. It could have been Lake O. Maybe. And I saw those metallic overalls at Paris fashion. That's I was going to say.

They got that fashion from somewhere. That's true. So he talks about going down there and they actually, when he says, gave him predictions for things in the future. About different wars, different happenings, just, you know, floods and things like that. And I guess there were some other things, smaller things that have come to pass. Other things not come to pass yet. But it's pretty extreme. And then he actually got abducted a second time with his wife, who they went back to the abduction site.

And his wife came with him. They say at that point, that's the only voluntary abduction case on record where someone says, yes, take me too. Because normally it just ends up being the aliens saying, we're taking you whether you're like it or not. And she actually said, I want to go with him. So he was abducted twice and talks about both of those stories. And it's really fascinating stuff. I mean, to claim that you were taken down under the ocean into a secret hangar is what he described. Did any of the information they gave them come true?

There was a couple of small things that weren't really revealed anyway from what I've read. But for some of the bigger things like California would be submerged underwater, some of these different things that the aliens told him, obviously we haven't seen that happen yet but it's fascinating it would have been an encounter of the fourth kind because it's a human abduction by an alien

may also include voluntary experiences that's right so she said go ahead so they yeah and for someone to be taken twice and to have you know recollection both times of their encounters it's it's incredible and so in the stories that he was able to tell from it

again another thing where they were they didn't know what to do I mean, after their friend got abducted, they thought, well, we can't tell the police because they're going to think we killed them or something. Right. You know, we're at fault here. Oh, he's hate when that happens. But then he, you know, he hate when that happens. He was murdered. No, it was the aliens.

I swear, it was the aliens. We swear. Actually, the encounter of the fifth kind is interesting, too, because it's voluntary bilateral contact between humans and extraterrestrials. Amazing. So that means, like, you're having, I guess they had their English to alien dictionary with them. it's funny you say that actually because the aliens according to filberto were trying to communicate with him and didn't know a language to speak so being that he was a Cuban immigrant his English wasn't very good so they tried

speaking to him first in German then in English they are they're bilingual or they're multilingual very yes very much so is a German then English and then in Spanish and they realized oh bingo Spanish we hit that one so they spoke to him in fluent Spanish and there was another alien who spoke to him telepathically according to his story what do you like press one for German Yes. Which one? Oh my God.

That's so fascinating. It's an unbelievable story and it happened right here in South Florida. And that was in 1989, I believe. Wow. So that's, again, we could go all day on these abduction stories. But those two, to me, are really some of the more fascinating ones. There was even a doctor, Dr. Roger Lear, who I, do we have, you tell me, do we have time, Gary? Go for it.

Okay. I want to hear about it. If we have time to go into Dr. Roger Lear. because he dedicated his career to alien abductees. So this is fascinating because this is a guy who, just like anybody else who wanted to be a doctor. He's like Dr. Mack. Yeah, I mean, he just went in, you know, college, studied, university, became a podiatrist.

Okay. Oh, that's right. Yes, Dr. Lear. Yes. And the implants. He's a foot doctor. He's a podiatric surgeon. Yes.

It sounds a lot better than a foot doctor. So that was. Do aliens have feet? Maybe. So that was his thing. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy-to-run email and social media campaigns.

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which is the mutual UFO network. And there's different branches throughout the country every state has like a Mufon branch. Do they have Foo Fyterers?

They might. Because if you learned if you've been listening to UAP, foo fighters actually originated from World War II, that's what the pilots called UFOs.

And I guess Dave Grohl liked the name enough to call his band of food fighters. So Dr. Roger Lear, who became kind of a UFO enthusiast, UAP enthusiast. A ufologist. Yeah. And his spare time is something that he studied and would speak at different conventions and things like that. We'd go to different conventions with Mufon. And started to hear about at these conventions from people who claim they had implants. And we're not talking breast.

No, no, no. So, which I mean, wait a minute. Let me see. That's a whole different experiment that the aliens might have to do. That's not what we're talking about. The aliens are probably like, you don't like what we gave them. They have to change it. They look at Kim Kardashian and go, what the hell?

What are you doing? So, but he's talking about different little microchips, if you will. Like a tracker. Yeah, almost. And once they took it out, I would say, you know, like the little fuses you'd find in your Christmas lights? and if you, you know, it's within the plug, you have those little replacement fuses. Yes.

They look like that. In fact, here's Dr. Roger Lear. He's testifying in front of former congressional members. The individuals involved in this study all presented with a no noted portal of entry for any of the objects that were removed. There was no visible scar formation and there was no interruption of the integrity of the skin, even when examination was performed with a magnified. loop not only examining the area involved but a large amount of the peripheral area. All the individuals in the study presented with positive x-rays or CT scans showing metallic

or lesser dense foreign objects. Prior to the surgical procedures performed, the areas of interest were examined by the use of a gauss meter for magnetic or electromagnetic emissions. Ten of them were found to be producing readings on a gauss meter, and a gauss meter, and a magnetic of six to 10 milligauze. That is a large amount for a very small object that varies in size from approximately six to 10 millimeters in length and about the diameter of a pencil lead. And I understand, even though it's a foreign object, there's something that encases it that

your body doesn't reject it. So what they were able to do, and so fast forward a little bit where Dr. Lear and a partner of his thought, we need to make this, this is our smoking gun. We can get these implants out of people. We can prove that they are being abducted and something is happening here. Like there's objects in these people that they cannot explain how they got there. So after they do multiple surgeries on people, normally they would find it in their hands in between their thumb and their index finger. Ooh, that's a tough spot.

So they would find it there or in their arms somewhere, maybe inside the forearm. And what they were finding was it was covered by the tissue of the body. So it was being implanted already surrounded by the abductees' tissue. That way the body wouldn't reject it or wouldn't read it as a foreign object. It would be something that is already part of the person's body. There is no rejection reaction. There is no, in the exhaustive research of human science, there is nothing that we have found in material science

that will produce absolutely no inflammatory reaction in the human body. these objects all do. Also, in addition, they are surrounded by a large amount of specialized nerve endings called proprioceptors. And these are areas which are not consistent with gray's anatomy. So that's how they figured anyway the aliens got smart and said, well, let's just put it in them this way. And that way it could work and it wouldn't be detected, so to speak. And what they were finding, they would find these implants and they would basically see after studies.

And this, now I will preface this by saying these, the results of these studies have been refuted by skeptics. And discredited, right. Well, they must have investigated the implant. They investigated it. And they traced it back to Radio Shack. No. So what they found was, and they did have radio shacks then, what they found was, it was material that matched meteorites. That's interesting.

And so now there are skeptics who say that, you know, baloney, you know, you know, you know, you know, You can find that anywhere, blah, blah, blah. Maybe it was mercury from something. So, of course, you're always going to have skeptics. But according to the findings from these studies on the implants, it took out of people that they don't know how they got in their bodies, they're saying that it had. And these people said that they had some sort of an experience. Yes, these were all abductees. And they're saying on these implants, on this hardware, it had materials you would find from a meteorite.

I'm sorry. I was abducted and I just returned. It's okay. So again, it's one of those things where, and Dr. Roger Lear, I believe, passed away a few years ago. But he did a lot of work on this and worked on a lot of people who claimed they had these implants in them. And they took all these implants out. You know, and it's funny because you have skeptics who say, well, these are just, you know, pieces of glass or whatever that somebody stepped on and went through the bloodstream. They forgot it was there.

What they were taking out of people's bodies were not shards. These were little cylinders. They were strange looking. And, I mean, they have to be there somehow, some way. And the question is, how and why? About 60% presented with positive UV light fluorescence, with color ranges from pink, green, to yellow. One of the last surgical patients displayed a large chevron appearing area,

like an insignia on the outside of the right arm near the shoulder. He had no prior knowledge of it being there. We have also found that the removal of this fluorescent material with ordinary solvents only makes them disappear for intervals of approximately one hour. But when re-examined again, they appear again with the use of ultraviolet light with varying frequencies. In addition, by use of radio wave frequency detector,

we were able to detect that certain radio frequencies in the FM band, both in the megahertz and kilohertz range were being admitted from the object. It was determined that in one case, the frequencies detected, and this is through a chart that I was able to obtain through sources that I will not be able to mention. But these frequencies were noted fixed or mobile deep space frequencies. Interesting.

So in summary, the abductions and the abductees, basically have similar, if not identical stories about the light coming down from some sort of a craft above them. Right. And it somehow renders their car inert. Or they are taken from their bed through a wall, that type of thing. That actually happened in New York. There was a famous case, and I forget her name, Jessica Napoliton, Napolitino, something like that. and but that was in the early 90s and she said the aliens gets terrifying when you think about it

the gray aliens came into her bedroom and took her and there was a beam like something you would see out of a movie that she had a beam coming into her apartment building in New York oh like I mean you're talking like Midtown okay and this happened and they had witnesses to the point where uh at least anyway that there was a UN official went on named who signed with his bodyguard a written statement saying they saw this happen. Wow. That they saw her being taken out of the building. They saw the craft.

They saw the beam of light. So there's a lot of interesting cases out there, Karen, and all of these actually, or not I shouldn't say these specifically, but there were a lot of cases that were studied by Project Blue Book that we mentioned earlier. And Dr. Allen Heinek himself, who was the lead investigator on during Project Blue Book.

So maybe we can talk about Project Blue Book next week. Yeah, which, by the way, when it was shut down, the UFO reports were archived. They're available under the Freedom of Information Act, FOIA, which we use here in journalism. But names and other personal information of all witnesses have been redacted. And Project Blue Book was declassified in the records are available for examination in the research room of the National Archives. So that must have been recently. That's what has been declassified.

Some of those things have been, yeah. I mean, look, there's always going to be things that people will never find out. which is why I think the congressional investigation only went back to 2004. Because look at all the stories we just spoke about. Way before that. 60s, the 80s, the 90s. I mean, there's so much left uncovered, which is why we do the show, because we're digging up the stuff that they're not talking about.

And it's weird because this project, Project Bluebrook, closed in 1969, and there's no more information on sightings after that date. But they did come up with the parameters for classifying alien encounters, as we told you. But do you want to do Project Blue Book next week or do you have something even more tasty? I might have something a little bit more juicy. Actually, I know I do. You want to know what it is? Yes, let's do that.

Okay, because it's something, I'm just going to tell you the title. Oof. The Dulce Base Wars. This story is out of everything we've done, even today with the abduction stories, this is like straight out of the movie Independence Day. It involves government, secret governments, contracts. sectors, secret government buildings, aliens working, getting into a firefight with soldiers. This story is unbelievable.

Okay. I like it. We're going to do that next week so you don't want to miss us. I want to leave you again with Dr. Mack. What the source of this is, who these beings are, where they come from, what creates this intelligence. I don't know. But there's something profoundly important going on here that is authentic and real. It makes you wonder.

Head of Psychiatry at Harvard. That's right. And that's not just some guy. That's not me or you saying that. This is like you said, head of psychiatry at Harvard. That's why I want to end it that way. Absolutely. So again, check out episode.

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