UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 56 "Northern Lights" - Forgotten Sightings of the North

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

A UFO cluster sighting caught on a weatherman's radar? A police officer experiencing missing time and a beat up patrol car after a close encounter? These are just some examples of forgotten sightings that Diener and Karen discuss in this latest episode of UAP... See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Northern Lights, part one. We'll tell you why that's in air quotes. First off, Karen, how are you? I'm well. Thank you so much. Yes, it's good to be back. Another little hiatus there in between. We had a little...

Actually, what happened was we had a... a hurricane, a tornado almost hit my house, and now the weather is much cooler and more fall-like. So a lot has happened. That's the crazy thing about a hurricane is, you know, for us, we live in South Florida. This is where we record the show. If you've never heard us, you know, talk about that before. So, you know, obviously I'm sure you've seen on the news, international news, when Hurricane Ian came through the state of Florida here. Thankfully for us personally, we're on the East Coast and the West Coast was, you know, most devastatingly affected.

Yeah, but we still. got stuff. Yes, we did. We got, you know, some pretty nasty weather. So that delayed our schedules a little bit last week, but we're good. Everybody's good here on our end. So we're just happy to be back now for this new episode 56, the Northern Lights. I can believe we're up to 56 already. That's crazy. But before we get into why this is called the Northern Lights, let me first to ask you, Karen, I know you always have a factoid for us. So what the heck is going on? Well, this is the one that you actually found. Yeah. Oh, okay. About the, uh, the, some sort of a UFO showed up on a government logo and then it disappeared?

Yeah, I mean, what happened? What was it? We talked about this. I think on our previous episode, I think we brought it up, where it was this government agency, and I forget which one of it was like the national intelligence or something like that. And they had this logo on their flag with all these different, you know, like a space shuttle and, you know, a fighter jet and all these different things.

And over there in the corner, the bottom left hand in the corner was. a UFO. I mean, it's a classic looking UFO. It was like a saucer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so it was, you know, caught by a lot of enthusiasts like us. And they said, what the heck is going on? This is an official government logo and it has a UFO on it. Well, apparently they didn't like that people started to notice. So now it's gone. I have to look that up and see which logo it was because now it's going to bug me. It's crazy. So that is gone now. It is no longer on the, this, this logo. for this government agency that we're talking about. Yeah, it's the U.S. intelligence agency logo.

So it's just, you know, nothing crazy. You were right. U.S. intelligence, nothing too crazy there. It's like an oxymoron. Yeah, right. But they just, you know, like, yeah, let's get rid of it. No one's going to notice that it was there and that it's gone. You did.

I think that's interesting. Good for you. Yeah. Makes you wonder why, number one, why was it there? And now they're like, it's getting a little too much attention. Now it's gone. I mean, they've come so far as the Pentagon and that's why we're doing the podcast is basically saying, yeah, they exist.

But they don't want to really tangibly put it on a flag or a logo. I guess. Maybe they weren't ready to go that far out there yet. But speaking of everything that we've done in the past year, Karen, the response to our most previous episodes, and especially the one last week that we did, or last time I should say, has been just, no pun intended, out of this world. I mean, we really can't thank you enough for how much that you've been enjoying this show. It's staggering, mind-boggling to see how much of you have.

been enjoying the show. So we thank you for that. But all the while over this past month or so, while making these past few episodes, I kept coming back to something. And some of these stories of unexplained sightings up north, okay, like the northern states of the U.S., Canada, things like that. I kept coming across these things, places like Minnesota and Canada. And just for whatever reason, as I was doing research on the other episodes that we did, I just kept seeing these other stories and I kept pushing off, I'll look into the next time. And finally got to the point where I said, you know what? I got to find out what these things are about.

Because these are even things that I didn't know about. Really? Oh, wow. That's unusual. So that's why we want to kind of explore in this new multi-part series because this is going to be at least a two-part series. Right now, we're just planning two parts. Calling it the Northern, quote, Northern Lights.

Which, by the way, the real Northern Lights. Yes, the Aurora Borealis. Yes, the Aurora. It's commonly known as. the polar lights. Ah. It's natural light display in the earth sky

predominantly seen in high altitude regions. Aurora's display dynamic patterns of brilliant light that appear as curtains, rays, spirals, or dynamic flickers

covering the entire sky. Have you ever seen it in person? Not in person. Neither have I. I've always wanted to. I would love to. One day. And I'm from Michigan.

Right. So I was pretty northern. Actually. I should have been able to see them. Maybe I did and I didn't know it. Maybe. Maybe you were taking

out there you have missing time. One of our stories, in fact our final story, which we'll get to later in the show, takes place in Michigan. Hello. Your birth state there. You miss Michigander? Is that much? There you go. So we'll get to that a little bit later here. But yes, part one, this is, again, things that forgotten sightings. Things that, you know, you really don't hear about too often taking place in the northern part of this country. Next time we'll get into more stuff in Canada. But our first story takes us back to the 1970s. Minnesota, actually, where a sheriff's deputy had a run in with the UFO. To this day, this is actually considered one of the greatest unsolved encounters in the history of the state of Minnesota. And this is how the story begins. Oh, geez. It was along a rural highway on August 27, 1979 in the middle of the night. Marshall County Deputy Val Johnson was alone on patrol.

As he explained it in the news reports, what was there all of a sudden was here. So the light is shot at him. and, you know, like, engulfed his car in light and, you know, blinded him. Yeah. Wow. Thus the name, Northern Lights. There you go. And so just, you know, solid start, I think, there.

But let's just review this scene from one second. That's a law enforcement officer. Yeah. Here's this guy, Val Johnson, a deputy. He's on this lonely highway out there in Marshall County in Minnesota. He's on patrol, just doing his thing during the night. Okay, he's an overnight deputy. And that's when he notices all alone on this road, something strange is

in the road. So of course he's going to drive up to it, try to see what's going on. He's a cop. And that's when he sees this small light. It takes off and it comes right out of his patrol vehicle. Whoa. So now just imagine that. The confusion, the fear he might be feeling, you know?

It's probably really fast too. Right. Exactly. And also, remember the time frame here. This is 1979. Yeah, we don't have smartphones, computers, nothing. Nothing like that. We got rotary dial. Right, yeah, you're right. And to that point too, Karen, these And he's got a two-way radio, basically, in his car.

That's, that's it. And so these reports, in 1979, you know, not only the technology was different, but the way that these reports are viewed was much different than they are, you know, today just in the past couple of years, how that has changed. And he doesn't have a camera on his person. Right. Wouldn't that be interesting? Yeah. No, yeah. No patrol camera, you know, no dashboard camera, no vest camera, nothing like that.

So these things are not as openly received as they are now, you know? Sure, it's just his word. Exactly. especially from, you know, law enforcement or the military in, you know, back in 1979. So honestly, he had a lot to lose just by talking about it. So, I mean, it's something like that is hard to keep to yourself. But on the other hand, when you hear this coming up, how could he not talk about it? Because when you hear this, this damage that he had done to his car, it's kind of hard to hide something like this here.

Val, what happened? And then, of course, the windshield is broken. something you can see where it hit. Herb Morsted was a fellow deputy at the time at a loss to explain the antennas warped in different directions, the broken headlight and the dented hood. Whatever happened, there was evidence. Thank you to the local news station there in Minnesota, by the way, who had the story. Crazy though, right? Yes. I mean, physical marks. So the dented hood was their scratches, was their paint? Do aliens use paint? I don't know if they use paints, maybe chrome. I'm not sure. But we're talking about it. But we're talking about it.

physical evidence here on this vehicle. He hit something. Something hit him. Yeah, really. We at least know that for sure because of the evidence of the car where it's all dinged up. The intent is bent like you heard there. The windshield was cracked. But in different directions. Different directions. Right. Which is odd. Yeah. So before you go saying, and that's fine if you think this, again, we always leave it up to you. We just tell you the story. But if you think that it might you, maybe he was just drunk on control or he hit a deer. Oh, could have. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well, there's no blood. There's no blood. Normally you have blood if you hit some type of animal like a deer.

Just consider this part of the story, okay? Before you go giving that as an explanation, consider this year that he had missing time. The dashboard clock stopped for 14 minutes, as did Deputy Johnson's watch before starting up again. 14 minutes. Wow. So what does the, it has like a time bubble around it where it could be? stops time? Because here's the strange thing, right? Because this, it's kind of starting to sound more like it as far as, you know, your typical, I guess I should say, encounter story. But normally when we hear missing time, abduction. It's abduction.

Yeah, but he's staying on the ground. So did this have some type of time-cancelling orbit around it or something? It went through some type of vortex. Because that's what I found so interesting about this. And I think that's why this is one of the most famous unsolved encounter stories in the state of Minnesota's history, is this missing time aspect. Yes, he hits something, and it's hard to explain what he hit,

but what about the missing time? Because you could say all you want, well, there was something wrong with his car, so the clock stopped. But his watch matched it. His watch had nothing to do with the impact. And I'll bet it was a time X. Yeah.

Maybe. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking. That's right. So explain that one, and I cannot. No. Because, again, this normally, you always hear about missing time with abductions, but he was not abducted here.

This was just some type of encounter where this craft or whatever it was hit his car. So how is that creating a missing time? And I think you bring up a good hypothesis, Karen, which is that physical encounter maybe created some type of time bubble, time vortex. What do you want to call it? Yeah, warp of some sort. And that was reflected not only in the clock on his car, but on his own personal watch. And that's the part that gets me. I think that death mimics the same thing.

You just have missing time. Yeah. Yeah. When you die. I think that I think it all boils down to time. Yeah. I mean, we talked about going way back with Edgar Casey about how time really works.

And he tried to explain how it's just basically a construct and it's there for us as a frame. We're so stuck on time. Yes. You know, here, down to the second. So it's. But, yeah, if you take away time, then what? You know, interesting. Well, apparently time was taken away there because we cannot.

Nobody can explain what happened to those 14 minutes. It's very odd. But they also say that he had welder like burns around his eyes. Something that would, you know, a welder would experience if they weren't wearing their mask or something over their face. Why does he have burns around his eyes? Because that had been from a possible exposure to some type of extreme heat, of course, right? Radiation. Radiation.

From the light ball. Yes. This giant ball of light that was coming toward his car. You know, is that a radiation burn? We've seen those before in abduction cases. Sure. And so it's just odd because you have two factors here. You have two marks here that you normally see in abduction cases, the missing time and the burns.

And that's at night. Yes. So you can't say, oh, well, you know. And he wasn't done. Right, exactly. But he wasn't abducted. But why these two hallmarks, he's experiencing them. It's very odd.

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Yeah, I'd say. So believe it or not, this story really has become a part of folklore in the northern United States because they actually have people come from around the country to Marshall County. They have a historical museum there. Really? And they have this car on display. I was going to say, do they have the car? They sure do.

Oh, my gosh. Do you have a photo of it? I'll put up the video of this local news report because we use so much of their sound that I think we should give them some credit there. We'll put their video up on our blog. They're on 850wftl.com on the UAP blog under the podcast section. And you can see the dent and the crazy. Oh, they show the whole thing. So you'll see the dense.

The broken windshield. The broken windshield. The double bent antenna. Huh. It's pretty wild. So people come and look at this car. It's on display. UFO-dusi is coming around the country. He was in the car.

He was. So he got burned through the windshield. Through the windshield. Because the windshield was cracked and pierced, actually. That's so strange. You'll see that in the video there on our UAP blog. But the last thing I found noteworthy here was Deputy Johnson's description. of this UFO, it's not something you would normally hear before.

What he saw was a bright object, maybe like a foot diameter, about three and a half feet off the ground. Small. Huh. Why is that? Foot diameter? Maybe it was a probe. Maybe.

I'm thinking maybe it went through his vehicle through the windshield and abducted him for 14 minutes and brought him back and he wasn't aware that he was actually taken out of the car. It's possible. I mean, maybe, you know, a lot of abduction victims, have some type of regression therapy done to find that missing time. As of this story, as of the details that we found, he never went through any type of therapy. But something happened in that 14 minutes.

Something, yeah. Right? Because that's a long time. It is a long time. Yeah. And again, you could say all you want that while his car got messed up so the clock stopped. But how do you explain to his watch? Yeah.

And it's not instantaneous, right? You know. Well, he didn't, he never complained about it. Did it feel like it was instantaneous? To him it did. Oh. Which is an also odd component. That's what happened.

Yeah. So there's a lot of strange components with the story, the size of the UFO. Right. The abduction components that mix in here when we don't hear about abduction. It's a very strange story, which is why it lives on to this day in Minnesota's history. But I like the fact that there's actual evidence. Yes. I love that.

Physical evidence on his body and on his car. So again, we'll have that video up there on the UAP blog, Von 850WFTL.com. Just search on the podcast section. You'll see UAP. And we'll have it up there on the blog for you. So you can check out the images we're talking about crazy, right? It is. But on to our next story.

Who knew? Who knew? Exactly. That's why I've forgotten sightings. I love it. So our next story takes us over to, well, some people refer to as, I take this as an insult because there's beautiful parts of the United States that people refer to as flyover country. And I think that's an insult.

It is. But this is where this particular story happened was in that part of the country. years. Very strange a courage took place over a hundred years ago, actually, in South Dakota. South Dakota is a beautiful state. Is that where Fargo is? That's North Dakota? Yes. Don't make me a fool here, Karen, on the podcast,

because if I get that wrong. Oh, yeah. They're going to come at me. All of our South Dakota listeners. Oh, my goodness. But South Dakota is beautiful. Matt Rushmore is there. Just amazing scenery. I think Bismarck is there. Bismarck, South Dakota. That sounds right. Yeah, that sounds right. Or is it Pierre. Oh, it might be Pierre. Yes. Oh, thank you.

You see, this is why we don't do a geography podcast. But personally, I love stories like this because you really have limited options when you try to narrow down what people could have been seen, you know, explanations in the sky back in the 1800s. Yes. Right? And it wasn't the plane. It wasn't the drone. It wasn't the weather balloon. So what could explain this particular citing away?

This mystery revolves around a woman named Annie Talent. She was a member of the Gordon Party that's. illegally entered the Black Hills, speaking of Mount Rushmore, back in 1874, okay? She wrote this in her own journal diary, whatever you want to call it. She wrote, at about noon

on a clear cold day, an awful rushing, roaring sound was heard above and to the north of us. It was almost directly over our camp. Everyone immediately looked in that direction and saw an object rushing through the air from east

to west. Not more one half mile above the tree tops and seemingly not more than three quarters of a mile distant from us. So before I continue in her entry there, again, in the air, rushing sounds 1874. Yeah. Okay. I'm still stuck on the fact that she entered the Black Hills illegally, the Gordon Party. Yeah.

So I don't know. It was basically, it was off limits? Off limits. Yeah. It was kind of like federal grounds, that type thing. You know, with the Native Americans. The Gordon Party, not to be confused with a Donner party. No, no, no, no, no.

Not the Donner, nothing to do with Dahmer, nothing like that. Nobody ate each other. No, no, no, no. This is the Gordon Party. So this, she continues here. It seems, and this, by the way, I'm reading directly from her because it's hard to get sound from 1874. So I just have to read directly what she wrote. All right.

So she continues. It seemed almost white and looked at least, if it might be 30. or 40 feet in diameter. Huh. Although its size could not be ascertained with any degree of accuracy, as it seemed surrounded with steam or smoke. It did not appear to be falling, but continued in a horizontal course.

So just imagine, I guess, you know, riding the horizon, right? From left to right, east to west. That is what she described. You're right, that's what she said east to west. So she continues, three or four seconds after having passed out of our sight to the west, a report was heard that fairly shook the hills. Okay?

While its track of clouds of smoke were left that could be seen for 20 minutes after. So when she says the word report, is this an news report? A sound. A sound, yeah. Right. It's an explosion. Right. Okay.

That's how the word report was used in 1874. Okay. So basically they heard a boom. Yeah. That shook the hills is what she's saying. and its track of clouds of smoke were left in the sky that could be seen for 20 minutes after it disappeared over past the horizon.

So in the past we've talked about ships, alien ships that don't have contrails. Yes. And don't make any noise. Apparently this one had both. This one, yeah, was an older model. Yeah, I guess. An older model UFO.

Yeah. A Plymouth. The Buick of UFOs. I don't know. Buick. So it's, I don't know. That one is, it's a strange one. She actually continued here.

But we didn't have flight availability back then. Not 1874. And we talked about a few episodes earlier. We talked about free flight sightings, things like that. I mean, file this one under pre-flight sightings. This had, again, some type of physical evidence. A sound, smoke they're seen in the sky. Why?

I don't know. Because those are two things that are not typical of UFO sightings. That's right. But that's what she's describing here. But everything else sounds like it, you know, moving quick. Right. Right. Horizontal, you know, along the skyline, yeah.

And what the heck are they seen in the sky in 1874? And if it did crash, then did they find it? I mean, it could have been an asteroid or a meteor or some sort? Yeah. Right? If you're talking about smoke. Like a whistling smoking thing. It could have been that, right?

I mean, if you're talking about the boom that also kind of fits the description of a meteor or an asteroid because you might get a sonic boom or something like that. Because I do know the aliens are pretty good drivers and they rarely crash. Except for the Roswell ones. That's right. other than that. So maybe that's an explanation. I don't know.

But she continues here. It was the grandest sight I had ever witnessed. There was one thing that was very evident. Immediately after this sighting, the weather began to grow colder. Oh, my gosh. Weird. And she says it continued to increase in intensity each day for about three weeks. It got colder and colder and colder for three weeks.

How do you explain that one? Well, if it is a meteor like what happened with the dinosaurs and the smoke from the explosion obscures the sun it makes everything get colder. I don't know the history of the state of South Dakota but I don't remember hearing about some type of

cataclysmic meteor impact in 1874. You know what I mean? Right. Normally you hear about these things there would be some type of crater that people go visit still to this day. I've never heard of something like that

that exists in South Dakota. So I guess take this one for what it's worth. strange. It is. It changed the weather to colder. It had some sort of a sound and it crashed and, yeah. So, I, you can try to explain that one.

Plus, I like the fact she had a journal. She did. Yeah, and they recovered it. So that's a famous sighting back in 1874 in South Dakota. It's strange, though, isn't it? It is. Again, you could say, you know, something with a meteor or an asteroid, but. Well, she thought it was important enough to put in her journal, you know.

And I'm sure back in. 18th, the late 1800s, they were aware of, I mean, gosh, the cosmos was studied for thousands of years before then. Yeah, this isn't the Stone Age. If it was, right. It's 1874. In industrial age. So they must have known what a meteor or a comet would look like. Right.

You know, it would have the. You would think so. Smoking. I don't know. Strange. Yeah, make it that way you will. But our final story here, Karen. Oh, boy.

Takes us to, like I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, your home state there of me, Michigan. And I must say there were a few different stories we could have gone with as it was kind of doing the research and sifting through some of these forgotten sightings. Yeah, those Michigan people are nuts. Well, I had to go with Michigan. So I wanted to go with this to end the show today because none of the other stories that I came across, quite frankly, topped this one that you're about to hear. Oh, goody. It's a doozy.

It is kind of a doozy. Yeah. And it takes place in Holland, Michigan. Sure. And the year is 1994. It involves multiple witnesses, okay? and a meteorologist. Oh, that's helpful.

Yes, who until recently actually had never spoken about what he saw this one night. So can you give us a little, I guess, description or reference, Karen, as far as Holland, Michigan? Are you familiar with that part of Michigan? Yeah, so you've got Frankenmuth Holland. My great-grandmother was part of a Germanic sect and only spoke German. A lot of Germans ended up in Michigan. And so, and then Holland, you know, they have the Tulip Festival there. Yeah. Okay.

So, yeah, it's like when Europe came over, they went to Michigan. Interesting. Yeah. So basically they just named a city after what they already knew. Right. Which is what, I mean, the British did as well. I mean, they came over to. Absolutely.

And we have Rochester. That's where I went school. Rochester is very British, right? And, yeah. As far as geography goes, is that's... Some more central Michigan in the center part of the state. So that's where we are here in Michigan. Central Michigan in that area.

In that area. So it does say on the lake shore. So it may be a little bit more closer. Or maybe they just named it that because, you know. Well, there's a lot of lakes in Michigan doesn't have to be one of the great lakes.

Exactly. But this is, well, you mentioned Lakeshore there, Karen. They call this the Lakeshore UFO incident. And this is how our story begins. It's 94. The time, 2130 hours. All right.

So you heard there through the creepy music. The 911 call. You hear the date there, March in 1994, 21, 30. which is, of course, 930 at night. And the voice you hear, you're going to hear that more is our meteorologist, and we'll get to him in a minute. But he's saying there's something in the sky, never seen something like this before.

So we'll try to clear up for you some. The 911 calls are hard to understand. We get that. So we're going to try to clear those up for you as we go on because some of this audio involves those. Hey, guys, so before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary, starting something new, right?

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it's hard to tell where your flight ends and vacation begins. Hawaii starts. it's here. But yeah, March 8th, 1994 is where we're at. And community, it's a community of Lakeshore. They started to see something in the sky because like we said, multiple witnesses here, okay, people are calling 911. And they just could not explain what they were seeing. And I will tell you, it's like, okay, there's Grand Rapids and then Holland is on like a lake that comes in off of Lake Michigan. It is near Lake Michigan. Okay. And the whole area is called Lake Shore.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Very cool. So now we know kind of where we are. Right, so it's central Michigan, but more on Lake Michigan. Got it. Okay. Now, people were obviously scared and confused. You know, you're seeing something in the sky, just like our previous entry here of Annie Talent in 1874, writing in her journal. There's no 911 to call in 1874, but in 1994 there is,

and that's what people were doing. They were scary and confused, trying to find answers. Sure. What are we seeing in the sky? What the heck is this? So again, like our first story, remember the time frame here. 1979 and 1994 are pretty similar in the fact that, It's not like you can just, you know, pull out your brick-shaped cell phone and call somebody or start taking a video and post it on social media.

Run to a pay phone. Yeah, right. I mean, that's all you can do, really. Exactly. And also, too, these are not very well received in the mid-90s. No. You still looked at as kind of a crackpot, right? So, which is quite frankly why we were hesitant to even start this podcast last year.

Wait a minute. I'm glad the narrative has changed a little bit. But there's, like you said, a lot of 911 calls. But the main one here we're going to focus on is one that came in just after 930. And it starts off like this. So 9.30 p.m. Okay, so at least four lights. We don't know if you got anything on UFOs tonight.

He must have been on a really bad pay phone. I guess. But he's like, I don't know if you guys deal with UFOs, but we just saw four lights. Yeah, they're seeing four lights. They're trying to explain what's happening. And this was a big public siding. I mean, it's worth mentioning it again. It was covered in the local news at the time, actually.

They made a big deal out of this. It was in the newspapers. It was on the night. News. The Holland Bugle. Absolutely. I'm sure that's a paper there. We're going to assume.

Many witnesses described actually seen multi-colored lights, Karen. Oh. They were slowly, this was the description, slowly and eerily going around in a circle. Huh.

Okay. So that kind of fits the description of your classic flying saucer there. Of course, those who did not, or those who did come out, were ridiculed, obviously, right? Yeah. By those who did not witness

the event. Right. I didn't see it, therefore, you're an idiot. Exactly, right? Which is why a man that we're going to talk about here, meteorologists from the National Weather Service, his name is Jack Bushan, okay? National Weather Service, meteorologist, very reputable. He was hesitant to ever say anything about what

he saw, but he did have these experiences, and actually his was the voice that you heard on those 911 calls there. So this is one of the calls that he made. And keep in mind, he's with the weather service. He's a meteorologist, so he has scientific background, right?

And tools to use. And tools to use. So he understands the difference between a weather anomaly, maybe some sort of a comet, whatever. I was thinking I was going to lose my job. That goes back to the fear of being ridiculed. Yes. Okay. And so that wasn't an 911 call.

So I got those a little confused there. but that was him, you know, being interviewed about this 30 years later. And finally, you know, able to feel like he can come out and start talking about this. But this is him on the 911 call? Huh, so that's him. Yeah, that was him that would talk about the four lights a little bit ago. Then he was afraid he was going to lose his job. Yeah, exactly.

Because like so many people during that time, I mean, they were terrified to speak out about sightings or encounters. Because, I mean, look, the issue, as we know, was it was very taboo, right? The topic itself. It could have literally ruined your life. Yeah. And it did for some of the witnesses. They were ridiculed for decades. Oh, yeah.

Airline pilots would lose their jobs. Oh, absolutely. They mentioned anything. Yes. And they saw a lot. Military. I mean, you're told never to say anything. And in some cases, it really did ruin people's lives.

Now, thankfully, things have changed in that regards, right? Over the past, you know, a few years, especially over the past couple of years. But over the, you know, 30 years it took for that from this story to now where he felt comfortable enough to start talking about it. Wow. It's insane. but this is, you know, now that he's retired, he's decided to come out and talk more about that night that he's never going to forget.

And here's some more of what he saw, actually. Then I was really scared, and I lost, lost sleep. People think you're a cuck, you know? You're lying. You're not credible. I'm supposed to be a scientist and skeptical. Sure. Yeah. Not suggestible? Yeah, right. That's the way it's supposed to be,

which is why I found him to be such a credible witness, Karen, because he is that type of, you know, almost like an Air Force pilot or something like that, these pilots that we've heard about or any airline pilot or, you know, any military member. I find them very credible because they have a certain, you know, expectation that comes along with their title, which is, I think, fits the expectations you would see with meteorologists because they're supposed to be, like you said, scientific. Yeah, based on science. Go by the book. Exactly.

But it is fascinating. I think to hear those recorded conversations he was having with the 911 dispatchers as he was trying to get some clarity himself. He's trying to figure this out. But this next moment is crucial to the evidence of this story because, again, here you have a guy working for the National Weather Service. So what is he going to have at his disposal? Radar.

And it's interesting in the 911 call. He starts it out with saying, I don't know if you guys do anything with UFOs. Right. So he instantly went from, you know, this is a. a UFO. That's where his mind went. That's right. Yeah, exactly. He didn't say phenomena or, you know? He's trying to figure out what it could be, right?

And he has radar, so. So at this point, he begins to try and zero in on his radar on the area where people are saying, you know, they're seeing these UFOs, these UAPs. So here's a quick clip of what that sounded like. Once he finally got them on his screen, he actually was on the phone the moment, the moment that he zeroed in on this. You can hear his reaction. Oh.

So you hear his surprise. What is this? They're coming together. Now they're coming apart. And he's seen this in real time on his on his radar. Was he able to record the radar? He wasn't. Oh.

So unfortunately he wasn't able to do that and from the radar screen. But he did decide what he did was he drew from him. Beautiful. What he was seen on his radar in real time. And what he drew pretty much fits exactly what we've come to expect in your classic exciting case because according to him he witnessed three craft okay they're bunched together in a triangle formation moving fast and seemingly jumping from one location to the next how odd is that that's really odd so you have the triangle you have the instantaneous acceleration okay and he actually

explains more here they were moving about 20 miles in each jump they were hovering and then jumping hovering and then jumping. So there's a huge return. Huge return. So you get a return on the radar. It shows you something's there. And then popping up all over the place you're going to say that. And so he ruled out the fact that this is some type of weather anomaly.

He could not explain it. As a meteorologist with radar, he could not explain what he was seen, which is why he was talking to someone in 911 as well. Right. And this was kind of his final explanation of what he saw, I guess. It was a flying tin can. You know, I don't know how else to explain. Dang it.

Flying tin can. It's another one of those UFO Buicks. Yeah, exactly. The Oldsmobile just flying up there. But that's one thing I love about this story, though, is that this witness in particular, okay? Here you have a guy who read, read, Radar for a living, or did, you know, he's retired, as a meteorologist. So he knows what a pop-up storm looks like or some type of strange weather anomaly or even a giant flock of birds, really. He knows how to identify.

Or ground clutter. Yeah. He knows how to identify different things or anomalies on radar. It was literally his job, you know? Yes. So to hear him say that this was no storm, it wasn't a flock of birds, it wasn't anything like that, but rather something solid. A tin can.

A tin can, if you will. It really gives this story and this citing in particular real credence for me. I agree. Right? Yes. And again, you make of it what you will, but there's a lot going on here. He had multiple witnesses. You know, again, just aside from him, it would be enough for me to really give this a second look,

just hearing him. But you had multiple witnesses on the ground that night, calling 911. I love that. And, you know, going back to what we were discussing at the beginning, we had a tornado touchdown near my house as part of Hurricane Ian. When Ian was making a handful, yeah. And the technology and the advancements of weather people have made with their radars,

our local people have a viper radar. And it would show the signature of a tornado. Oh, it's incredible. And it's the way. So I'd love it if he had had that advanced technology. But we'll have to see if any weather people are finding UFO. now. Yeah, well, keep it out for more of those stories. Maybe we can do a whole series just on that if we hear about it. But it's, no, but you're right. I mean, you and I were watching the weather

that night, and they're telling you, hey, there's a tornado on the ground that it's going to be in your location in 15 minutes. Yes. Yeah, it's moving towards you right now. I mean, they could track it to the inch. And that's how advanced it is now, but unfortunately not in 1994. So maybe there are some more meteorologist stories. We'll keep it out for those because it is intriguing to hear them. And it's a shame, though, how someone with that much, you know, credibility in their title and their line of work, they felt like they had to be silent for almost 30 years about what he saw and the evidence that he experienced

because that really is true evidence. Well, we're talking about there. We're ripping the Band-Aid off all this stuff. We're bringing it to light. So I guess it does make you wonder, like you're saying, Karen, you know, who else is out there with stories like these? Yes. People that have been too hesitant to share real experiences

because of past fears towards ridicule or even the loss of their job. And maybe now we'll start to see more and more stories like this of somebody who has this type of credibility behind them start to trickle out. I would love to see that. Yeah, me too.

I've had several people get in touch with me through either what our Twitter page. Yeah, at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter. Yeah, and, you know, tell me some of their stories as well. It's always intriguing to find out what you, dear, listener, are experiencing as well around the globe. And we love hearing

your feedback as well, and, you know, whether it's good or bad. Thankfully, a lot of it has been good. so we appreciate that. But if you have any ideas or any stories that happened to you, something that kind of triggered or thought or memory in your mind of anything we've ever talked about in any of the 56 episodes, including this one. It's okay to talk about it. Yes.

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There's a lot going on there that people don't realize and doesn't really get talked about a lot. Beauty, eh? Exactly. So we're going to get into that next time on UAP. But until then, it's Karen Curtis there. Stephen Deiner here on the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thank you so much for listening and for joining us.

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