UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 59 The Mysterious Case of Varginha, Brazil - New Details

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

You may have heard us talk about the famous Varginha, Brazil alien encounter before, AKA the "Brazilian Roswell," but with all of these new details suddenly emerging after lying dormant for the past 26 years, we had to come back and lay out this new case. Will this end up being the game changer that some people say it is? You decide...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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how are you karen i'm terrific thank you so much how are you my friends i'm all good um both karen and i I know, you know, some of you saw the message that we put out on our Twitter there at UA Podcast 850 that we had the episode, this episode we're about to do today, which is new details on the Virginia case, not Virginia, Virginia, but in Brazil with, I mean, it's a famous case. We'll recap it. Yeah, well, we've done an episode on it. We'll recap it here for you. But there's some new things coming out with it that we're worth focusing on it on a whole episode, really, for today. And we were going to do it last week. but unfortunately there was a little thing called Hurricane Nicole that kind of sidetracked us in our preparation and doing this episode.

But we're fine. Everything's fine. Nothing bad happened. Nothing says Thanksgiving like a hurricane. Good Lord. Good old South Florida. So we're happy to be back here with you today, though. So as we get into it, before we go into all of our stuff here, I want to recap a little bit first, Karen, from the last episode where we talked a little bit about in the factoid area before we get to today.

Today's factoid. We talked a little bit about like new government disclosures, how they were going to be coming out with these new reports. And I just want to mention real quick. I wanted to focus on that in this episode today too. But there really hasn't been anything new that came out. They're still not saying much about these new reports that are supposed to come out. My guess would be, and this is just my own conspiracy theory, that it's probably going to drop like on Black Friday Thanksgiving weekend. Oh, yeah.

That way nobody would pay attention to it. Exactly. Just bury it. And so I could see that. happening but I don't know we'll see but there really isn't much new to talk about so I guess the thing the question asked is why the delay what's what's with it now that they're deciding not to bring up and hoping people just forget about and one thing I did see is they're trying to now downgrade previous like mainstream sightings that have been talked about like the the famous tic-tac UFO Nimitz

UFO that was seen off the USS Nimitz back in 2004 the famous video that kind of brought this whole discussion into the mainstream. Now they've been saying that, the pilots were mistaken, that it was a drone. Really? Because of the angle that it was being filmed at, the speed was deceiving, and they were wrong about what they saw. Oh. Oh, yeah. So they're already putting it out there that, again, no, you're just crazy.

You don't know what you're talking about. You were swamp gas. They got all the alphabets involved. It was national security problems. They've got Space Force, CIA. They've got everybody involved in these weird phenomena. Exactly. So now there's delay and there's doubt.

So I will just say this before we move on to our actual factoid for today. Factoid actually. When there's doubt, when they start casting doubt on this stuff, that's when you need to ask more questions. That's right. We're getting tons of stories about what you guys have gone through. So interesting. Absolutely. So we're going to go through one of those today.

But I know you have a factoid as well, Karen. What's going on? do. Finally, the Artemis rocket took off. 7.6 million pounds of thrust. Lift off of Artemis 1. We rise together. That's right. Very dramatic moment a couple nights ago.

We rise together. 7.6 million pounds of thrust. That's Bill Nelson in one of the greatest soundbites of all time. He actually is the head of NASA now. That's right. Yeah. It used to be a senator, right? And an astronaut. Well, he went up, yes. I guess you're an astronaut if you go up in space. Yes, that's right. That's what he does. So it blasted off toward the moon.

That was this week. It was, yep. And it's full of science experiments, but no people. It's got three dummies on board. That's right. So what they wanted to do, and there was actually a little Snoopy plush doll that I thought was cool. A little astronaut suit. That was kind of like their indicator of zero gravity.

Once it started to float, they knew they had zero gravity at that moment. I want one. I know. Those are great. But a great moment for the country, for the world, for, you know, space. industry on the space coast of Florida that NASA finally got this rocket up. Those powerful rocket, biggest rocket ever made. So exciting.

So, exciting. A team from Southwest Research Institute will be studying solar winds, which will be critical for setting up a moon base. Right, right. Remember, China's up there. That's right. Yeah, they're on the dark side of the moon. So this is really critical. So we don't know what they're doing over there or what they've been doing.

They've been up there for a couple of years. But no, this is huge. I mean, this is the first step into getting people, Americans, back on the moon. Well, they haven't been up there since the early 70s. 1972 is the last time. The last Apollo mission that took Americans up to the moon. So you're talking 50 years. And by the time they actually do launch humans to the moon, they're talking maybe 20, 25.

So it'll be over 50 years at that point somewhere in there. So in the next few years, two to three years, hopefully we'll be talking about a moon landing. How cool is that? This is the first step. So happy to see Artemis finally go up after all those delays. Now, we mentioned that we had a couple of fact toys. And I wouldn't quantify this even as a factoid. This is more of, I don't know, I guess a shout out because we've said before that if you have your stories,

please feel free to reach out to us and, you know, let us know your stories. You know, some of you have emailed Karen before. Your encounters. Yes, exactly. We've had a couple of encounters stories that have come to our attention this week. But I want to read one specifically from one of our listeners who reached out to us on Twitter at UA Podcast 850 before we get into the meat of the story here today

about the Virginia, Brazil, citing the new detail surrounding it. I wanted to relate this story that they gave to us. This is from Firebird 6987 on Twitter. Thank you. And they said, hey, UA Podcast 850 team. Hopefully my videos come through. They sent us a couple of videos

that were pretty interesting. They said, in September of this year, myself and about 10 coworkers were training with a large commercial drone in Virginia near Richmond. The weather was beautiful, and I can confirm from the videos, it was a beautiful blue sky. They said it was a picture perfect day, blue skies, no clouds,

no wind. And approximately 10.30 a.m., one of my coworkers looked up in the sky. He noticed two objects looked like orbs that were very high up. The objects were spaced equally apart, moving steadily, slowly, consistently across the sky. The objects were very bright, flashing as they move together. Now, just for reference, I've seen the videos and what our listening here is describing pretty much fits to a T what I saw in the videos. It was actually pretty captivating the videos that I saw from them. They said all 10 of us saw the same thing throughout the duration of the siding. Which we like.

We like to have multiple witnesses. So that was a huge factor here in the story and why we decided to read it. This isn't like, you know, some joke story somebody sent us. This is a real siding. They said the siding lasted about 10 minutes. About five to seven minutes into the siding, one of my other coworkers began to notice abnormalities with our drone. Huh. This is really interesting.

It's another reason why I wanted to read this. They say the first thing that he noticed was that when he unplugged the batteries from the charger inside of the drone, they indicated 100% charge. He walked immediately to the drone and plugged in the batteries. Seconds later from the master control terminal, the batteries indicated 50% charge. This obviously was not normal and quite impossible with new batteries. Additionally, an error popped up on the screen that indicated the drone could not. take off. No reason why. Wow. And they said from here, every sort of troubleshooting would not clear the air. Now, of course, you're on this retreat with your work. You're going to try to figure out any way

possible to make this, you know, this outing out, you're going to try to get your drone up in the air. And the or the orbs are jamming your stuff. Right. They couldn't figure out why. But then they go on to say a few minutes later, we all noticed that these orbs, these objects in the sky had disappeared. And at that point, the drone began to function normal again with 100% batteries. So it went from 100 to 50 back to 100. And they say I was... And operable back to operable back to Exactly, right.

They say I was able to catch a few seconds of the video, which is what they sent to us. And so thanks again, Firebird 6987. Appreciate reaching out to us. And we've talked a little bit more about how, you know, just the episodes and they're enjoying some of the detail and the thoughts and the narration that we put into

some of these episodes. We appreciate your story. We appreciate you listening. Can we put the video up? I'll try to retweet some of those videos. Okay. So the rest of our listener, you know, audience can see what they sent us. But it's an interesting story.

I mean, you're talking about the orbs up in the sky, which I saw and they are spaced out equally, almost in a triangle type of formation, which I found to be intriguing. You have multiple witnesses with their coworkers. The thing that gets me the most is the electronics not working. Yes. Well, that happens, especially over nuclear power plans and nuclear facilities. Yes. How many stories have we heard about with that? Nuclear missile sites.

So go figure on there. So very interesting story. Thanks again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

At UA Podcast 850. We opened up our direct message link. So you can send us some messages there. Just, you know, direct message us there on the Twitter handle. Now, that being said, Karen. Yes. You remember when we spoke about Varginia Brazil? Yes, the girls.

That's right. And I apologize. I've called it Varginia before I went with a hard g. So Vargina, Virginia, Virginia, tomato, but I believe. it is actually pronounced Virginia. Okay. So that's what I'm going with. There was a famous crash there

back in the mid-90s, 1996 to be specific. And we cover this in one of our episodes. The girls were walking home was from school? That's right. They're walking home. And well, actually, we have just a little reminder here because we did this way back on episode

15. Oh my gosh. So if you're unfamiliar with it, they call this like the Brazilian Roswell. I mean, it's the most famous sighting in Brazilian history. They see this alien sitting that looks injured, strange-looking alien, red eyes, all these different features to it that... I think it was smelly, too. Yeah, they talked about that it smelled.

There's a whole thing that happened with this story, that if you want to go back and listen in detail, you can do that back on episode 15. But here's some summary, just for short, to refresh your memory here. She saw a little creature that was really sweating. It was like a little person, but with no hair whatsoever, red eyes and three more. She pointed to the other girls and started running the other way. Yeah, so. So I thought it was hairy, but it has no hair.

No hair, yeah. It was kind of like hairless. But three arms and red eyes. They had talked about, yeah, there were a couple of different, I guess you can say, descriptions, but what they ended up sticking with was the two arms and the three fingers, I think is how it ended up working out. It was injured, maybe, you know. It was injured, yeah. So that was a famous case.

three women saw it. They never found out what happened afterward. There may have been some military involvement and people have been trying to figure out ever since. Where was the crash? Where was the wreckage? Where did this thing come from? Right? The strange-looking alien. So, some things have come out with all that in mind. The reason we're digging into this one again

today is because there has been some recent shatter surrounding the possibility of new significant details. Whoa. Being made public really soon. And a whistleblower who's actually come forward and claims that he was involved with the Brazilian military in this entire thing.

Did they ever find the craft that crashed? Well, that may be part of it. Right, exactly. So we'll start with some of these new witness details a little bit because a lot of this talk is coming out now because of a recent investigative documentary that came out called A Moment of Contact. I haven't seen this yet. It sounds super interesting.

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place in 1996, but they're the most famous witnesses. Apparently a lot of other people saw this, aliens, saw some craft, saw some really shady things happening. and they've been afraid to talk about it. Of course, until now. Until now, where a director named James Fox, who has made this movie, a moment of contact.

He's come out now, obviously, promoting the film. It's out now on some different streaming platforms, and he had this to say about some of the new details that are in this documentary. Not a single person that appeared on camera in this film did so very willingly. Over a decade, Marco Leal has been working so hard on getting some of these people to testify

for the first time in history on this case. Most of them were like, it's never going to happen. We're never going to come forward in the process of those investigations. We came across very credible sources of photographic evidence, both photos and video. That's new. It is, exactly. And I want to thank, there's a great YouTuber named Thomas Thompson, and he put together an awesome compilation of some of this stuff.

So that's where some of the sound you're going to hear is coming from. So we appreciate that because the guy is great if you want to check him out, Thomas Thompson. So just a shout out to him. But when you talk about this, kind of these new details and these new witness testimonies, it makes you wonder, like, why now? Why all of a sudden are people coming out, right? Yes. If you have photographic evidence as well, that bolsters your story.

So why didn't you come out with it in 96? Well, and that's a great question, Karen. I hold on to that question because you're going to be asking that throughout this episode, I think with some of the things you're going to hear. And that does lead us to the next element, which is the military involvement. According to a man named Vittorio Paccaccaccini, he came forward as one of the new witnesses.

Now, the reason he stood out is because this whole thing may go way deeper than we ever knew. For reference, this guy was nowhere to be found for the past 18 years. What? Just disappeared, okay? And now out of the blue, he decides to come out and start naming names, saying things that he was,

on the scene working for the military on that day in 1996 and knows the truth behind what many considered to be the biggest alien encounter story in South American history. Packachini says that he took video statements from the Brazilian soldiers who handled the famous red-eyed alien

and he kept the videos as sort of an insurance policy. This guy has names, receipts, he's got it all and now he's coming out and saying he's ready to go with details, videos, pictures that nobody's ever heard. seen before that will prove everything that the witnesses have talked about.

James Fox's documentary. Yeah, he kind of teamed up with James Fox's, you know, to come in and give some of these new details. But it does beg the question, is this guy full of it? Yeah. Is you just looking for attention, right? Yeah. Because otherwise, why are you coming out of nowhere?

Will you be the judge? Because here's what he's been saying in his most recent statements. And we're talking just within the past few weeks, by the way, of this recording here today on this episode 59. Within the past few weeks, this is what he's saying about some of the things that he's now revealing. You must have been so excited when this came out. This is wild stuff. I love it. There are photos and videos taken by civilians at Reginal and Humanita's hospitals. There is little details left for these materials to be negotiated and revealed. Pacuccini is in contact with James Fox to try to help with the negotiations.

He said it is possible that this will appear on the front page of the New York Times soon. Whoa. Hello. So what do you mean the hospitals? Did they take the red-eyed beast to the hospital? So there is talk. They treated it?

That they were treating these and there was more than one. Oh. And there's a lot now that's coming out about this. That's interesting. Yes. So now let's just say that this is true. Okay, that what Packachini is saying now, that he has all these receipts, if you will, the testimonies, the videos. That would mean that we could be approaching the most significant.

significant disclosure report any of us have ever seen and one that may many of us have quite frankly been waiting to see and we've been waiting here for a really long time since 1996 when this happened but do we have any more details on this right that that's what you got to be wondering when are we going to see it what will we find out if it when this ever does come out what kind of hard core details are we going to find out here well here's what packuccini had to say about some of these things he stated that he has military photos and videos secured outside Brazil. It cannot reveal its contents due to an agreement made with the military and is awaiting

the green light to carry out its release. He cannot comment on the content of this material. So my thinking is this is 96. Right. Now we're 2022. We have got social media. Everyone's got an iPhone or a, you know, a smartphone. Why aren't we seeing more of these things coming out on TikTok?

It's a fair question. I mean, I'm sure the stuff out there if we search it, I know a lot of people are on TikTok a lot. Personally, I'm not on there a lot. I mean, I venture into the waters of TikTok here and there. Maybe we should have a UAP on TikTok. Oh, good idea. Yeah, maybe that would be a good thing for it.

If you guys like that, you can let us know at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter, where we do a lot of our back and forth. So readily we're able to record and show something happening. Well, I remember we did have one in Miami. Right. Several people off their balconies were recording a U.S. I mean, yeah, to be fair, there are a lot of sighting videos that, you know, you come across on YouTube. There are some on TikTok.

But none of them were the alien goes to the hospital. Right. Exactly. This is, that's why this case is so huge. Did they metavac him in the helicopter or did they take him in the ambulance? Well, that's why this case is so mysterious because you're talking about real contact. Roswell-like type of contact. Right.

Which is why they call it the Brazilian Roswell. But, and also to your point, Karen, when it comes to, you know, why don't we see more of this in the social media age, we do it's just we don't know if it's real. Right. You know, that's the problem now, too. When it comes with all this technology, people can fake these videos, so we don't know what's real and what's not.

Like that commercial with the green screen and the guy with all the ping pong balls. That's right. I'm climbing the wall now. He's climbing the wall. The ping pong balls are falling off. Well, I think that's a Geico commercial. Oh, God.

But anyway. But no, it's a fair question, but I think that might be the main reason why. We just don't know what to make of it, right? Some of these videos we come across on social media. And we try to bring you stuff that's been validated. Yes. And confirmed.

Right, exactly, or at least has some meat to it, which this definitely does. Now, even though we may not know the entirety of, you know, Vittorio Pachini's secrets right off the bat, he does go on to say that through his experience, some of these things that he believes to be on this other mysterious video that exists out there, there's another video. It's not his, but they say that there's another video that supposedly exists that lasts for about 35 seconds. And this is what he expects to be on that video. A 35 second video likely shows the creature captured alive in the morning by firefighters as the creature captured in the afternoon by police emerged dead from the Humaneitha's hospital.

The creature was very weak and did not make the characteristic B sound described by several witnesses. Small holes in the nostrils, small tear in the mouth. No ears, no nipples, no navels. Three long fingers on the hands. So there's a lot to impact there. I have questions. Please. First of all, what's the D sound?

There was a sound being made. There was like this characteristic sounds that witnesses say they heard coming from these creatures, aliens, whatever you want to call them. And for whatever reason, they say one of these aliens wasn't emanating that sound. Now, that may be because they're just unconscious? I don't know. He said they're dead. Yeah, one of them was dead. So they sound like gray's, not like some red-eyed, weird, three-armed things.

they sound like gray. They sound like almost like a mutated form of grays. Because they were taller than grays. Grays were always considered to be or described as being like three to four feet tall, almost childlike. These were described as being taller with red eyes. You never hear about gray's with red eyes. No. Well, and the eyes are usually almond-shaped, dark black.

And then they just slit for the nose and the mouth. Right. Why would they take them to a civilian hospital? Why wouldn't they take them to a military base or something? And that's the other thing. That's weird. You're talking about two bodies. Now, in the original story...

The one was firefighters, the other one was cops. Right. Because in the original story with the three witnesses, the three girls that you heard at the beginning of the episode, they were talking about just the one. Right. And even back to episode 15, when we first brought this case up, it was the one. Now you hear about two bodies, one of them being dead, one of them being brought to the hospital. And so it's very strange. And that's why I was like, we got to cover this again because there's so many questions.

I think he said that they both. the bodies were taking the hospital and both came out and they were both dead. One was dead and then the other one, I guess, survived for a while from what they're saying. But then he goes on to say that the military recovered body parts of other creatures. So maybe there was even more than two. That they found body parts in surrounding rivers. And he didn't want to. You're kidding.

No, that's what he's talking about. I mean, this is wild stuff. And to your point as well, Karen, when he said, why now? Right. That's the question. And why now? Is this guy just looking for fame, for fortune, for attention? Otherwise, why come out now? He says that his life was threatened for years, that there were attempts on his life.

People shot at him. He was run off the road. Whoa. And that's why he went into disappearance for almost 20 years. And now he's coming back out now, I guess maybe he feels emboldened because of how these discussions are being... More mainstream. Yeah, it's more mainstream now. It's being, you know, legitimized.

So he's decided to come out. You know, he's being contacted by... you know, directors and writers and all these different people asking questions. So we figured, well,

hey, look, maybe it's time. Maybe people are ready to hear this. So now he's talking. And these are some of the details he's giving about multiple bodies, about having videos and pictures

and all these witnesses, the military being involved. It's crazy. I mean, it's... It is. I'd like to know where the craft is if it crashed. Well,

and also... Then you get Bob Lazare in there to... What do you call? it. They kind of like, you know, reverse engineer what he was doing. That's right. So what else can we expect? Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10%

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Some of these new things coming out. What's going to come out of it? Are they going to bring it out to the mass public? Are we going to, you know, like they said earlier, front page of the New York Times. Is that the kind of thing we're really going to see? I doubt it personally. I mean, my personal opinion, I think that's hyperbole.

I'm not sure you're ever going to see that. Maybe we will, though. Maybe I'm wrong. I would love to see that. If that happens, that is true disclosure. That is like real in your face type of stuff. Here's what's happening. It's real.

There's no doubt about it. Here's pictures and videos and testimony from Brazilian military. They'll come out and call it Russian disinformation. Oh, no. You never know these days. What about this strange alien body we keep hearing about, right? we're trying to make sense of is this a gray? Is it some form of a gray?

The one we keep hearing about connected with this case is the red eyes and kind of like these almost horn-looking things on the head. Now there's a theory about what they might be. If it turns out to be true, it would really change the way we look at this whole thing and maybe even some other famous crash stories. Could the Virginia Brazil alien

simply be cargo from a more advanced civilization? Consider this. The description of the bodies connected with the virgina case makes it sound much more like they were cargo than crew. They seem to be woozy. They didn't have any clothes, the little horns, the color of the skin and stuff. Their reactions did not imply particularly high intelligence. Now, who knows? Maybe this was a crew from a different place.

And we don't know what their mental capabilities were or something like that. But you just don't get the feeling looking at the drawings that have been made. made, the testimony of the witnesses, that we're dealing with particularly sophisticated aliens here. And I can imagine a cargo craft that ran into some kind of a problem. Pilot error is common apparently in which these guys were set loose and weren't really the operators of the craft. Now, wait a minute. How about that for a twist, huh? Since when do aliens wear clothes? Maybe they do. We don't know. Maybe some species do. I don't know.

No nipples, no belly buttons. Right. No discernible. How does that work? Well, these are all questions that are over my pay grade, Karen. Oh, my gosh. The mind reels. Sure does, doesn't it?

But how about that for a theory? Now, that's from a guy named Stanton Friedman. Now, the reason why he's an author, but also, I brought him up for a specific reason here. Okay, get ready for this. That came from a documentary that was filmed back in 2010, that particular. clip there. And I wanted to give his opinion because he has a significant role in all of this. Not only has he done a lot of research on this case, obviously, but it's even been claimed by our whistleblower, Vittorio Paccaccaccini, that he and Friedman held a secret meeting together

a couple of years ago where he divulged all of his secrets, the entire story. This whole thing divulged it to Stanton Freeman, the man you heard there. giving that theory back in 2010. So it makes you wonder, is there anything to this? Is it possible? So Pacichini came out of hiding in 2010. Well, that's the thing. So to keep in mind the timeline here,

Pacchini was still in hiding in 2010. So this theory about these aliens being cargo came out before. Okay. Freeman had this supposed disclosure discussion with Pacan. But it just makes you wonder, you know, did he already know something?

Or is this just a theory of his own? You know, something that he came across as he was doing his research and thought, this doesn't make any sense, right? Because there seems to be a lot of different questions and holes with this story. Where do these aliens come from as far as, you know, they seem like they didn't know what they were doing. That's what I'm getting, you know? But if they crash, maybe they were woozy from the crash. Right. And then you're, he's insinuating that they were drugged and they were cargo being held in the cargo hold.

Yeah. That's, that's his theory. Maybe one to consider, and if that's the case, if you want to consider that, then who is this other higher life form? Yeah. And this lower life form that they're just, you know, kidnapping and drugging or whatever, trafficking, I suppose, if that's the case, how weird is that? Maybe they just blew them out the airlock. I don't know. Over Brazil.

I don't know. It's weird, though. And something interesting that I've been keeping an eye on, by the way, over the past month or so, is these different sightings of UFOs, UAPs that have been seen. in a massive increase in Brazil recently. Yeah, remember we did another episode? I think there was a lot of them in Chile. Yeah, that's right. These, those specifically in Brazil over the past month or so.

Now, this may have nothing to do with it, or in my head of everything to do with it. Yeah. But it almost seems like these sightings oddly coincide with the timing of these reports of new evidence and whistleblowers in this case. Is that kind of weird? It is weird. Am I making too much out of that?

That all of a sudden of all these sightings are being found. And you speak about sightings on social media, a lot of sightings are showing up on social media in Brazil. Weird lights in the sky. Some people are saying that they're explaining away saying it's Starlink satellites. Okay. Which could be very possible. I mean, my mind is open.

Could be that. Or it could be something else. I find myself every time I go outside at night looking up at the sky since we've started doing this podcast. I'm waiting to see something. I'm looking all the time. I know. I'm jealous. We get these.

I know. To be honestly, you know, we get these messages from, from you guys. from any listener who says, oh, I had this experience, that experience, that sighting, or someone told me about this, and you tell us this story, and I'm like, man. I want to be. I want to see that. Well, the only stories I have are the ones that I've researched.

Right. I've never actually experienced it, and I want to, but I don't know, maybe I'm just meant to be a storyteller. Maybe I'm not meant to see anything. I don't know. I can't wait for the day you encounter an alien. Oh, boy, that would be something, huh? Oh, but just think about this. I mean, I don't know.

It's just going back and thinking about some of the testimony that we heard from Pacichini or from some of these other witnesses. You're talking about multiple bodies, body parts. It seems like just a complete mishandling, honestly, of the Brazilian authorities. It sounds sloppy. And which makes sense. I mean, they've never encountered anything like this before, right? So you might be talking about wreckage, multiple alien bodies, body parts in the river that

Pacanis talking about. Where are they now? How do you handle that? Right. And where are they now? apparently Paccini knows. Oh, okay. So, man, if they actually do come out with some of these real details that Pacuccini's talking about,

maybe we'll be on the front of New York Times. I think if they wheel out the actual bodies, yeah. But these are new details that we hadn't heard before as far as all these other bodies and other possibilities of what these aliens might have been and how things were being handled and who might know about all these other details. Boy, so we'll leave you with this thought today. as we become ever increasingly intrigued by this faithful event in Virginia, Brazil back in 1996, I believe it is the responsible thing to do to ask ourselves this honest question.

Do we really want to know everything that is going on here? Yes. All right. You're a quick yes. But just think about that question as you listen to this statement from our original three witnesses. Okay, think about that. Do we really want to know? Because they were asked what they would like the world to know about their experience

Here's how they answered. They said it wasn't a good experience at all. If they could choose, they wouldn't go through it again. And only people who have been through what they have been through can tell how they felt and how it all affected their lives. So they're clearly traumatized. Wow. And this is an odd one for me in its totality. Usually they're not malevolent.

I mean, usually it's not a bad ex. Well, yeah. Sometimes. If you listen back to our mantis abduction. episode. That's rough. And they start probing you. Oh, that's not good. Mantis abductions are really bad stuff if you want to go back and listen to that. I think that was somewhere in the 40s or late 30s in the episodes. Now, but this is an odd one for me because on one hand, I feel like there's so much to learn from this encounter, right? All these new witnesses,

all these new testimonies, all these new details. Not only could we be dealing with UFO crash wreckage, a stranded and seemingly injured alien that was seen by multiple witnesses, but add to that, the theory that we could be dealing with. dealing with an even higher life form. Right than them. Yes. And they were, these things that were talking about, these creatures, these aliens, they were just being transported.

They were cargo. What could have essentially mounted to just steerage? Maybe they were criminal aliens. Maybe. They were being, you know, taken to some sort of a prison. It's a great theory. Why not, right? Yeah.

And of course, mix in all the new witnesses and the hype of worldwide disclosure surrounding this story. And while you have yourself one juicy alien story here, I think. I think so. But then even after all that, Karen, I can't help but to feel some sense of, like, foreboding in a way. Why were those women so scared? Right. Why did our new star witness here of Victoria Pachuccini have his life threatened multiple times?

Going to hiding. Going to hiding over it. Over these claims that he's just now attempting to reveal after 25 years. Is there some kind of inherent danger or something? involved with this or surrounding this one faithful day back in 1996? Or are we simply looking at fearful witnesses who are haunted by an unexplainable encounter and even more fearful government that isn't sure how to deal with or answer questions on an international scale about an event that is of this type of purported magnitude?

I mean, how do you handle something like that, right? you just maybe deny and try to ignore that it ever happened. I don't know. I mean, what if it happened in current day Los Angeles? Right. Would the space force people converge on the wreckage and the aliens? Or how would that be handled? Or would you have fire, rescue, and police officers taking them to the hospital?

Would we even know about it? Would we even know about it? Would even be reported on? I guess the only thing. Well, he would if it happened on a street in Los Angeles. You would think so? People are going to, oh, maybe they confiscate the phones, They could jam cells.

I'm just saying. Oh, yeah. You know, we talk about new disclosure and everything, but part of me feels like sometimes it's still the old way where they want to keep the secrets from us. And until we get some answers, I guess I'm just going to keep thinking that way. But we also, that's why we do this. We try to find the answers with you in some of these stories. And just in general with these mysteries and the questions surrounding the UAP phenomenon in life throughout the universe.

That's why we do it. And plus it's a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun. But I guess we have a lot of questions, right? And the only thing we can answer that is this. You decide. You decide. Yes.

We always leave it up to you. Do you think there is really something behind these new claims, these new details, this new documentary? Well, I'd like to see the evidence. Yeah. You know, it's one thing to tell me you've got it, but I want to see it. Then I can decide. Well, that's what they're saying they have. And these bodies that were found and, you know, worked on the hospital.

I guess we'll see if it ends up on the front of the New York Times, won't we? Yes, we will. But until then, Karen, I will say this, and I know some of you aren't going to like this, we're going to come back after Thanksgiving. Oh, geez. We won't be here next week, so I'm sorry, it's going to be another couple weeks before the new episode, but that will be episode 60. And worth the wait.

Yes, because I got to tell you, I am really looking forward to doing this next episode in a couple weeks after Thanksgiving. Because, you know, look, everybody's going to celebrate Thanksgiving. We'll come back after that. But when we do it, can I just tell you? I've had these three words

written down in my notes for probably, oh gosh, let me think, 17 years. Well, that's how long you've been collecting this stuff? Yes. For 17 years,

I've had these three words written down. Okay. The Philadelphia Experiment. What is that? I cannot wait to do this episode. I don't think you understand how excited I am to finally cover this in two weeks when you hear episode 60. Now you've got me interested. We're going to talk about some famous disappearances and how they might have a connection with the UFO, UAP phenomenon.

Is there some type of otherworldly connection when it comes to some famous disappearances? Jimmy Hoffa? No, not Jimmy Hoffa. But maybe something like, well, I won't say it. Okay, let's say. Come on. No, no, no, no, no, no, there's more than just the Philadelphia experiment. You're going to find out in a couple weeks on UAP, the Unidentified Alien podcast on episode 60.

But until then, happy Thanksgiving, everybody, enjoy yourselves, stuff yourselves with lots of food, have fun with all the events and family time. And World Cup soccer. Hey, who's excited? Big, big me, I am. I'm very excited for the World Cup. Yes, can't wait for that to start as well. So much going on, but we will be back in a couple weeks with episode 60. Until then, make sure to keep following us on Twitter.

Subscribe to the show on Amazon, Spotify, Apple, wherever get your podcast and download it there. 850wftel.com where the show lives as well. And on Twitter at UAPodcast 850, you can follow us and send us your stories and comments right there. We always love to interact with you. So until next time, it's Karen Curtis there. Stephen Deener right here. Have a good one. Thanks.