UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 60 Mysterious Disappearances - The Philadelphia Experiment

Episode Date: December 9, 2022

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You believe that? We're that far into it. I'm 60 myself. No. Yes. Wow. It's a milestone day. It is a milestone day.

Well, how are you, Karen? It's been a while. It's been a while, but we promise this episode will make the absence of us worthwhile. I think so. I think so. I said to Karen, in the interest of full disclosure, because we're all about full disclosure here, right, on UAP, I said, this is before we started off the air, if you will, I said this is either going to be an episode where people look at us sideways for it or it's going to be looked at as a masterpiece and they're going to love it. It's one of the other.

And I'm also going to say this off the bat. before we get into the subject of the Philadelphia experiment, because this entire episode is dedicated to this subject. So we're going to let you know that. And we're going to try to keep it under an hour. Okay. There's a lot of detail. We have a listener's story to get to.

We have a factoid, so. Get ready for some lost time. Here we go. Now, before we get to all of the things I just mentioned, Karen. Yes. Since we're back here, and it's a couple weeks before Christmas, by the way, and a week before Hanukkah, all the holidays are coming up. That means nothing toward our factoid.

but what do you have your on a factoid for today? This is interesting. A NASA space science spacecraft launched three years ago. It's been out of contact with controllers for nearly two weeks. NASA announced it December 7th. Today's the 8th. Okay. The ionospheric connection explorer or the icon spacecraft has not communicated with the ground station since November 25th, so Thanksgiving.

The 252 million. million dollar icon mission launched in 2019. Designed to study the interaction of space weather with terrestrial weather. I didn't know there was weather in space, did you? I guess just on other planets, like ice storms and gas storms and all these things. And raining acid on Venus and all that different stuff. Oh, that's true. Okay.

You can be a weatherman on Mars. I guess so. So anyway, the icon was actually looking at the interaction of space weather with terrestrial weather in the Earth's ionosphere. Oh, wow. To better understand what drives variations in the ionosphere, and you're like, what the hell is the ionosphere? It's the layer of the Earth's atmosphere that contains a high concentration of ions, thus the name. Gotcha.

And free electrons, and it's able to reflect radio waves. And it's right above the mesosphere. Okay. It extends about 50 to 600 miles above the Earth's surface. I think I got a kite lost in the mesosphere one time as a child. Well, get this. were measuring, the measurement showed the hungatunga-tunga-hunga-hayape volcanic eruption in January of 2022.

God bless you. Yeah, the hungatonga-tonga-hunga. Wow. Yeah, and its effects extending into the ionosphere that disrupted an electrical current. So that's really kind of important stuff. That's insane. Wow. So it's no longer communicating. Well, I guess it could be, you know, boiled

down to a couple of different things, whether it's some type of malfunction, some type of weather things, some type of interference that they're just unseen radio interference from space. Well, it's a $252 million. Well, that kind of stinks that that's just flown out there. Yeah. Or maybe it's some other.

I would like to have just one of those millions. Yeah, well, that would be nice. Maybe it's some other type of interference that we don't know about. Like one of the Chinese satellites with the big arm that comes out and steals stuff out of the sky. I was actually talking about aliens. Oh, aliens. But that too, I mean, it could be.

Of course, UAP. Hello. Yes, it could be. Now, I said, very nice fact, toy. Thank you, Karen. That's a wild story, actually. So we've said before, if you have a story, feel free to send it our way. We've got some great stories that we have from, you know, from you, our listeners. And we had one here from a listener named Mike from Canada.

And he had an abduction or a near abduction experience. And it's funny from Canada because you remember the past few episodes. Oh, Manitoba. It was all over the place in Canada, Manitoba, all these different places. There were so many experiences. And we focused a lot on, you know, the north up in Canada. And while we caught the year of one of our Canadian listeners in Mike, so thank you, Mike, for this story. It's a little lengthy, but good Lord, is it fascinating?

So I want to read this story first to get your opinion on it. And, of course, you're the listener to relate this to you, because you might have something similar and you may be afraid to share it with somebody. So here's how... This is a real story from a real listener. This is what Mike has told us. He said, I had an encounter that I was unsure whether it was an angel or demon experience until I heard some similar reports on your show, especially with the most recent episode going back to episode 58. He sent us this before, episode 59. He said, I was in bed lying on the right side of the bed.

I was positioned on my left side facing my wife when I woke up fully alert and sensing a presence behind me. me. The room was lit up evenly without casting shadows with a light that was pleasant but normal. It seemed like it shimmered. It was orangey yellow. He describes this. Wow, that's so cool. I'll continue

here, but shout out to Mike because his description, he's very detailed in this. So I appreciate good detail, which you're going to hear coming up after this story when we get into the Philadelphia experiment. But he continues, the feeling was very fearful, as I had no idea what was behind me or the intent.

Don't you hate that? It's like your skin starts to crawl. Yes. You know, a presence is there. He says, but the presence was certain. He goes on, I felt like I couldn't move similar to a sleep paralysis. But my only thought was that I'll be damned if I just lay here without knowing if there's a risk to my wife and kids. So I put all the effort I could into turning around.

And as if in one slow but steady movement, I turned and grabbed a four foot tall figure. by the neck beside me and through gritted teeth he says because it was hard to move my jaw he says he goes I said who are you oh my god that does sound like sleep paralysis

because I've had that before and you had the gritted teeth and sleep paralysis oh it's horrible and there was this black well I thought it was my mother actually at the end of my bed and you can't move and I'm going mom oh wow so similar it was so scary but this is

man, this is very detailed. It says, while I was turning to face the presence, I saw two figures that were shadowy and partly see-through. The one I grabbed by the neck seemed like a child to me right next to my bed, while the other was about four and a half to five feet tall, standing a few feet behind.

And I got the sense that they were authoritative in some way, maybe a guide or instructor. The impression was that of like an adult, Mike says. Now, see, that's where it departs from sleep paralysis because there's more than one visage and image. And, yeah, and he sees lights, which you don't see. Right. You know what I mean?

This has more of a feel of an abduction story. Yes. Where we've heard before from abductees where the aliens come inside their room and they take them. Yeah. Boy, this gives me chills as I'm reading it. And he actually physically touched one of them, which you never, you're not able to do. I got to tell you, again, I handed to you, Mike, because I've never heard a story like this before. And for you to send us your story like, this is incredible.

So he goes on to say they both still felt short with childlike proportions and oversized heads. Okay. So kind of like your classic, you know, description of grays. He says, but not so oversized that I'd think of an alien, which is why I didn't cross my mind until recently with similar accounts from your podcast that I heard. It goes, also while I was turning over, I had a massive fear that I would be in immense pain once I grabbed the figure. The sensation I was envisioning to happen was a severe electrical shock. or burn that I imagine I would feel well past my elbow up to my shoulder. This vision, he says in quotes, made me want to stop reaching out.

But the drive to protect me and my family kept me going to reach out anyway. You know, it's interesting because that may have been a telepathic message from the alien, don't touch me or you will have a frog. Right. Yeah, that's why he thought it. That's right. So almost like it says like this vision, but it was like almost, I guess, a. They were telepathic message.

They were communicating with them, yeah. He says, I was surprised to find that the instant I grabbed the close figures, Nick, it felt like nothing at all, like I was grabbing air. Oof. But I could see my hand around his neck. That's so weird. The biggest surprise came from the figures. In the same instant I grabbed the one, all fear immediately vanished.

And I heard or felt that they were more surprised about me than I was about them. It's like spiders. They're more afraid of you. That's true. It's true. It says they communicated with them. without speaking. There you go.

There's your telepathy. He says he heard in his mind. He says, this isn't supposed to happen. Though it seemed like the message was meant for between them and I was just hearing it. Oh, that's so cool. The other thing that I like is that his will to protect his family was stronger than whatever these beings were transmitted. It's superseded all that. That's so cool.

Amazing. Again, this is a listener's story. This isn't something that we dug up right ahead of my notes. This is one of one of our listeners, Mike in Canada. He continues. and even though they didn't seem to move, their tone was non-threatening and submissive. And he says,

I knew more like a feeling that they were going to leave. Since I felt there was no threat, I became aware of how exhausting this was, and I turned back over at the same time as feeling them leave and the room returning to dark and went back to sleep. Now, this was also very strange, he says,

because under any other threatening circumstance, I'd be wired with the buzz and adrenaline to stay awake like anybody would. adrenaline would wake up his wife and go, did you see that? Sure. You would wake up in fear, you'd be sweating, your heart would be pounding. Absolutely. But he says with the complete reversal from fear to complete safety and control was so powerful, that feeling that there was not even a fiber of concern about a possible threat.

Oh my God. So I wonder if they can transmit emotion as well. Maybe. And he said he had zero adrenaline after this. He says it's like all the sensations must have been induced somehow. That's so weird. He says, but I tell you, if I had had. hesitated and not grab the figure and allowed the paralyzing fear to continue, this would

likely have been the scariest thing that ever happened to me. Wow. He says, to this day, I don't know what they meant by this isn't supposed to happen. Was I not supposed to be able to move? Was I not supposed to be able to see them or not be able to grab them? Did he even really grab them? Or was this an illusion since I didn't feel them? Was I supposed to stay asleep? He says to finish, the next morning I was trying to figure out if this might have been some spirit or something that visiting me, but it never made sense that there were two. Mm-hmm. And why was it like an adult, but still the height of an adolescent?

Right. He says, anyway, it's nice to hear encounters that have similarities to mine, and I'm just glad I didn't end up getting taken away or something scary. In the end, it seems like I got the nice crew, so to speak. He says, I do still wonder why they decided to visit me, though, of all people. I mean, I'm open-minded and all, but they obviously didn't do their homework if they think a Canadian won't jump at the opportunity to drop the gloves on or off the ice, especially if the wife and kids might be at risk.

That's right. That's right. And you know, Mike, it's not you woke up or semi-woke-up or you sensed them. They may be visiting lots of people who didn't, don't even know that they're visiting them. So don't think you're so special. It may be happening to a lot of people. Could be. But they're not waking up.

Remember, it's not supposed to happen. And I think what's special about this. I mean, you are special, Mike. Yes, you are very special. Thank you, Mike. He says he loves the show. He loves us. So thank you, Mike.

We love you. But they may be, you know, going to many better. rooms. It could be and maybe the people are having similar accounts so they just don't talk about it, but that's the first one I've heard. Every alien abduction story we've covered, and I promise we're going to get to the Philadelphia experiment here in a second, but every alien abduction story we've covered

has always been terrifying. Yeah. And you're not supposed to be benevolent, but I don't know. So incredible story. Thank you, Mike. If you have a story like Mike or any story, really doesn't have to be exactly like that one. If you have a story you want to get across Hey, you saw something weird in the sky. Yeah, whatever it is.

It doesn't have to be the most incredible thing we've ever heard, which, honestly, that is one of the most incredible stories I've ever heard. You're dating a blue woman with antennae. I don't know. Listen, you never know what you're going to find on, you know, Tinder. But not that I've any experience on there. I'm happily married man. But if you want to get your story across, feel free. You can message us on Twitter.

Direct message. The lines are open there at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter. You can send us a message, and we'll be happy to relate it. So, incredible. Now, to the meat of the show here. You've been wanting to do this for a long, long time. A long time. It's something like you said, Karen.

I've been utterly fascinated by this for about 20 years. Wow. And I guess you could say it's one of the first things I ever wrote down on my so-called mythical notepad that we've talked about before. That's right. Thank God you've been keeping track of all this stuff. And now it's like safe to talk about. Yeah.

You know, I've accumulated so much of these stories that we've covered for 60 episodes now. And, you know, like you said, I always kept it to myself. But now since the subject has been more open the past couple of years, we felt more open to talk about all these things. So I will preface this by saying it may not have a lot to do with the aliens this time around. Not like the story Mike just gave us. But it is a story that I personally have been waiting for the right time to bring up and make it into an entire episode like you're going to hear today. So I figured why not use the milestone number of episode 60 to finally talk in detail about the mystery. and conspiracies surrounding the famous Philadelphia experiment.

October 28, 1943, the day the U.S. Navy mastered time travel, teleportation, and visibility. Okay, so that's obviously just a little teaser there. Wait a minute. Mind blown. So that's a five-second encapsulation of some of the subjects you're about to listen to. And these fantastic tales are about to cover. Let me hear that again. Sure.

October 28th, 1943, the day the U.S. U.S. Navy mastered time travel, teleportation, and visibility. So if this is during World War II, why didn't they use it to help beat the Germans? Well, we go into a lot of that, actually. So you're going to, you will find out. There's a good reason. But there's actually two dates, so October 28th and July 22nd. So we're going to talk about both.

But before we get there, you have to understand the setting and the timeline of this event, which is why I said, I was going to try to keep this under an hour today, but there's so much details. So I didn't want to shortchange you. as you heard the man say it was October of 1943 so for those of you keeping score at home that does put us about two years

deep into World War II like you just mentioned Karen and any and all government or military efforts were being put toward finding a way to stop the Nazis and win the war right Nazis were doing the same thing but they had the Nazi bell yeah they were always looking for weird stuff

Hitler was trying to you know uncover alien technology and all those things so says I go on here. According to some reports, I should say some of these reports say, one of those ways that we were trying to win the war may have included an experiment that took place at a Philadelphia naval shipyard. Hence the name the story was given of the Philadelphia experiment. So here's a little introduction into that. As the story goes at that American shipyard in Philadelphia, a new destroyer was being built,

and it went by the name of the USS Eldridge. But this was no ordinary destroyer. from it. It was being equipped with technology no country had or even had heard about. This technology was related to something called electrical field manipulation. And what this did was make the ship invisible to everyone else. Okay, so let's just unpack that real quick. Okay, there's a lot of info in there because... Well, I know James Bond does that with his car. He's able to make it invisible. James Bond is amazing. So we heard the terms invisibility and electrical field manipulation. Now, according to the reports, this is where Einstein comes into play.

Oh, wow. It's always interesting when Einstein gets involved. Because he actually may have been working with the U.S. military on more than one, you know, just more than one project. He's had a lot of work with them, as we know. He was also working on something called the unified field theory. In fact, he was working on this theory for nearly 30 years. I don't think he ever got there with it. He's trying to unify quantum physics with, I don't know, the theory of relativity.

I don't know. Well, pretty close, actually, Karen, because without getting into the weeds here, because honestly, this is something unified field theory is something you can take a course on in college that would have to last the entire year for you to learn in detail about. He couldn't reconcile them. Well, and that's the thing. Because one thing happens with one and another thing happens with another, and he's like, wait a minute. What now? So this theory centered on the idea of trying to describe creation and all the forces of nature all in one package, okay, just to kind of put it in a nutshell. But the military's goal was to take one of those forces, in this case, electrical fields, and use Einstein's

theories on the subject to then utilize an electrical field to actually bend the rays of light around an object and literally make it invisible to the naked eye. Well, you know that light does bend because he proved that with the eclipse. So that's... Exactly. Yeah. So as long as we've got all that, right? I think we're good.

So now we can continue here to, well, the next part of the story. We're told on this day in front of government and military officials, the scientists disappeared the ship with crew intact right in front of their eyes. A witness said he heard the generator's buzz and then a strange blue light seemed to encapsulate the destroyer. And then, poof, it was gone. Okay. Pretty wild. So just to expand on that a little bit, the USS Eldridge was said to have these big generators. You heard him talk about the generators there.

And they had those on board that were supposed to create. this electrical feel that they needed to complete the invisibility experiment. To everyone's amazement, it actually worked. Whoa. Right? Or so it seemed anyway at first glance. Okay. Let me first say, for context, okay, that there were actually two of these experiments.

Now, we mentioned a little while ago, the one was on July 22nd, the other was October 28th, both in the year of 1943, two years into, or I should say two years after a Pearl Harbor, the year, I mean, the war started before Pearl Harbor in 1941. It was during that July experiment. So we're going to go back a little bit when, according to the reports, the ship actually disappeared into what was described as the odd green mist before then reappearing 10 minutes later. Okay. This is all going to come together, I promise. The scientists and military bigwigs who were there and saw this thought they had just made an incredible discovery.

They had successfully achieved invisibility on a U.S. destroyer. Man. This technology was going to turn the tide of the war. They would finally be able to get past the German U-boats. They were destroying the U.S. fleet. They were a huge problem. Too bad they didn't have it before Pearl Harbor. They could have disappeared all those ships.

You're right. Now, that celebration quickly died down, though. And it wouldn't have worked on Pearl Harbor anyway because as they came to find out, as they boarded the ship, they found a grisly and gruesome. absolutely gruesome discovery. The sailors who were on board died a horrifying

death that you're about to hear right now. Oh my God. Some accounts even say that when the ship came back, there were sailors on board, but some of them had been fused to various parts of the steel. Some of these people were apparently mangled and broken. They were fused to the steel?

Yeah. Oh, my God. It reminds me of the movie The Fly with Jeff Goldblum. Oh, sure. When he teleports himself and a fly gets in there. and so then it like becomes part of him. Yeah? Yeah, it's true. Same thing. Oh my gosh.

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Whoa. But just to add to it here, on my own. According to the reports, there were sailors who survived, but they were said to have suffered from severe radiation poisoning and others fell into a terrible psychotic state. Oh my gosh.

It's just awful, no fun at all. Whoa, maybe they should have done this without people on board. Well, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but they needed somebody to operate the generators. Now, this all will come together. Don't worry. There was a survivor

who went on to tell his story from the ship. Whoa. Keep that in mind for a little later, okay? So after all that, you would think that the military would be back off and just, you know,

scrap the entire project, right? Yeah, yeah. Wrong. They went ahead with that second experiment that took place in October 28, 1943. This time, the crew on board experienced more than just invisibility.

They supposedly traveled through time and space itself. Ah, space time. So on the 28th of October, in broad daylight, The Eldridge was used as a guinea pig once more. No changes, no recalibrations. They activated the field once more.

Once more, the ship vanished. But not from sight at all. But from Philadelphia entirely. The ship seemed to almost phase out of reality. The ship immediately and astoundingly reappeared almost 300 miles away in Norfolk, Virginia. There at anchor was the merchant vessel, S.S. Andrew Furiseth. The crew stared at an astonish wonder as with a blue flash of light appeared an entire destroyer escort, fully loaded, ready for war and glowing a dull green. The ship's bobbed inside of each other for a few minutes until the Eldridge, just as fast as she appeared, disappeared.

She popped back into existence back in Philadelphia. So you're talking now about on the second experiment, the ship disappearing, teleporting south to Virginia. and it's fused into other ships. It's all this mist everywhere. Everybody sees it as they're standing there in Virginia. And they're just losing their minds. And then it comes back, teleports back. Whoa.

To Philadelphia. I've never heard of this. This is crazy, isn't it? It's amazing. But you know what? It makes sense because how else are we going to get around the universe if we can't do something like that? Well, because we can't go fast in the speed of a lot. light. Right. So we need to do something that would be something like that. It's always been the theory,

right? As far as going back to Einstein, his theory on wormholes, wormhole travel through space. You know, if you imagine folding a piece of paper and putting a pencil through, that's a wormhole rather than drawing a line up a piece of paper. It was space time. So space time, it's everything, gravity isn't like a force. It's the bending of space time. Yeah, exactly. So apparently, according to the stories, that's what happened here. And if that's how, Maybe, you know, aliens are traveling through space. If that's how they're getting from light years and light years away, maybe this is the type of technology, not this. Obviously, they have a perfected.

Yeah, this is a little rudimentary. Yeah. I don't think the aliens have the green. Maybe they do. I don't know. But, you know, those are all, those are theories, right? So how did people chronicle this? They write a diary?

Did they have photos? How did they, how do we know this story? I'm glad you asked that. So we're actually going to get to that in just a minute. Okay. But what about the crew? Oh, gosh. On the first time around, it didn't end up too well for them, right?

No. No. So you would hope that things would be better for them the second time. Yes. Well, as the researchers rushed aboard the ship when it came back to Philadelphia, they found that, unfortunately, things were actually worse this time around. And honestly, just a friendly warning here. Oh, my God. This is hard to hear.

The details are absolutely horrifying. Just let you know, okay? But we never should go code the details. So here's according to the reports what they found. Men screamed in agony. Their bodies mangled and burned. All half insane and screaming bloody murder. More than a few had become fused with the metal of the ship.

Entire limbs now forever part of the Eldridge. Some had half their bodies engulfed in steel and were breathing their last breath. in one spot was simply a pile of bone and organs. What had once been a man was now turned inside out, left to die in a horrific fashion. Some were never seen again. Vanished, trapped somewhere between the folds of our reality and the next. Good gosh. Did the crew know that they were being teleported or were they just guinea pigs?

Did they sign some sort of disclaimer agreement? Total, total guinea pigs. And according to those who know the story, who related the story, basically it's just, you know, getting a picture of the military. Twice. And then they're, you know, you tell the family, oh, they died in a training exercise. And that's the end of that. I see. Oh, my gosh.

So all in all, after those very graphic details, what are we to make of all of this so far? I think you've had some pretty good questions about it, Karen. I'm sure you do too, listening. It's obviously intriguing for sure. Definitely a little creepy. but is it true? Or is it a Stephen King novel? Really, right.

There are some holes in this story that doubters highlights that we're going to point out right now so you have all the details, right? Because we always give you the story and you make up your own mind. That's what we do. Is the USS Eldridge still a ship that exists?

That's a great question. I mean, is it somewhere? It might be decommissioned somewhere. It's a real ship. We know that for sure. It was a real ship. Yes. But that's a great question about it.

Now, for one, it is saying, that according to the ledger from the USS Eldridge, it was never docked in Philadelphia during those timeframes of July and October of 1943. Whoa. In fact, according to its ledger, it was docked in Brooklyn at that point. Yeah, but maybe they wanted it to not show up on records being there. They might have manipulated the ledger, right?

That doesn't bother me. So another detail that detractors point to is the explanation that one veteran gave to the talk of the secret experiments being done. involving the use of the, you know, electric field technology to achieve invisibility. So a man named Edward Dugin, not Dungen, but Dugin. Looks like Dungeon. Yes. He was a Navy veteran for World War II.

He explained that the talk of invisibility was just a misunderstanding and that the Navy was, in fact, working on a stealth technique called degousing. So what the heck is that? What? What is degousing? Well, it is defined as a process in which. Okay, it's a little wordy, so bear with me. DeGalzing is defined as a process in which systems of electrical cables are installed around the circumference of a ship's hull,

running from bow to stern on both sides. At that point, a measured electrical current is then passed through those cables to cancel out the ship's magnetic field. This technique was vital in order to repel German mines. Okay. Okay, so in that way these mines, aren't coming up to the ship and blowing up the ships

it would repel them down into the water kind of like think about if you put two magnets together they repel each other that's what they were trying to do with the galsy this was a real technique that the US used during the war so was this a so-called

the visibility that people were talking about was this misunderstood the gousing being able to repel the minds was it a misunderstanding no no we say no and then finally the biggest thing that the tractors point out

is to say that this story is fake, is that it was supposedly first made public by a name named Carl Allen, who also went by the name Carlos Miguel Elande. Now, Alande was also kind of thought of as a scam artist during his time. Well, see, back then, anything like this,

you're a crackpot. Scam artist, you know. True, that's true. You looked at differently. Nared well, not to be trusted. Correct. Narrate well, I like that. That's a milestone.

Can I just point this out? We haven't had that. It's a first time in six. The 60 episodes, we have said the word nardual. Well done, Karen. But that's why people didn't believe him. They looked into him as someone who was trying to gain notoriety at the expense of others. And so they thought, you know what, this guy is, he's a naraduel.

He's a crackpot. They're trying to cancel him. Yeah. They're trying to, yeah, don't listen to him. They thought he was scamming them. So it said that he was a witness to all of this. He was there. And they didn't believe him.

They didn't believe him. but he said he was the only one willing to talk about it. Now, to money the waters even more, to be fair, again, we're going to give you all the details. Carlos or Carl, his real name, whatever you want to call him, later said that during the 80s, okay, he made up the whole story. But then he later recanted that claim. And you know what? That's what happens when you are telling the truth and then people react to it.

And so you're like, okay, forget it. It's not real. And then you come back and say you do it. do. Before he died in 1994, he later came back and said, no, it is true. What I said in the 80s isn't true. I recant my recant. Okay.

So he... I don't have a problem with that either. He died saying that this was a true story. Okay. So what are we to believe here? Now, do you remember, okay, a little while ago when I said to keep in mind a supposed survivor of these experiments? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Well, it is his time to shine. Oh, goody. Okay. You can make up your own mind on this whole. thing without, or I should say you can't make up your whole mind on this whole thing without first hearing this final piece of the puzzle. We're getting here from a guy named Al-Belik. Now, before we do that, what do you make of this so far? Just I ask you, Karen, what do you make of this so far, given all the details? Well, I find it shocking that the, if true, the military

would use service members as guinea pigs. True. You know, I mean, just horrific deaths. I think it definitely is possible because it explains a lot of things how whatever beings get around the universe. This has to be sort of the way it occurs. And this technology probably is available. And I don't have a problem with someone who was a witness recanting and then coming back because, you know, of the shame. True. Okay. I mean, I definitely think it's possible.

Okay. No, those are all good points to go against all that. Very good. I mean, that's something that definitely an argument you can make in that case. But there should be evidence if a body is fused to the steel of the ship, they would have that evidence. Some type of physical evidence. Or maybe it was fixed before anybody looked at it. Like a molecular, molecular thing.

Well, all that said. Quantum mechanics. Yeah. This is the accounts we're going to play for you. Now, the clips, there's a few clips we're going to play from Al Bielick, and they're kind of long. So we're going to split it up a little bit. But so here's the first thing that Al Bielick had to say, or we're going to learn, actually, we're going to learn a little bit about him.

So this is about Al Bielick who says that he was there and part of the Philadelphia experiments. One as a loving family man and the other as a shadowy military scientist, working on Black Ops projects like Montauk project, a secret government operation which dealt with experimentation in time travel and psychic warfare. And, of course, the now infamous Philadelphia Experiment, among other operations. Now I'll explain that a little bit more. He says that he led a double life.

One was, you know, the secret agent, another of a family man. So that's what that is all about. And Montauk Project, actually, by the way, is something that's, I mean, that's a whole different subject. We can do a series of episodes on the Montauk Project. There are so many theories about that, so many accounts about experiments being done in Montauk, New York of, you know, military technology, reverse engineering of alien technology, teleportation, mind control, remote viewing.

Actually, it said that the Duffer brothers who created Stranger Things. Oh, that's where they got it. The idea for Stranger Things came from the Montauk Project. Okay, so that'll be a future episode. Yeah, serious stuff going on there. Man. Al Bealeck says that he was part of all of that. Okay, well, that makes sense then.

So now that we have this shady character who is said to have been a secret agent of sorts, but here's another question, right? Why didn't he come forward about his story until 1988? Because again, this is happening in 1943. And then Al-Beeleck comes out in 1988. What is it, 45, right? 45 years after the Philadelphia experiment. Well, according to Beulik, it's because his memory was completely wiped clean.

He was assigned a new name, a new life, new family, no recollection of a old ways or knowledge of any secret government experimentation whatsoever. Now, I thought, too, this sounds like stuff straight out of like the men in black movies. No, Jason Bourne. Jason Bourne, that too. You know, you flash a little red flashy thing like your men in black or they wipe your mind and Jason Bourne. I mean, this is stuff you see in movies, but Al Belich said this is what happened to him. But you also must be wondering how he got his memories back.

That's right, because are they ever really gone? Right, exactly. So, in a scene seemingly straight out of Hollywood, maybe out of, you know, the born movies or men in black, Beulik was actually watching a movie at home one day about the Philadelphia experiment. And it triggered it. Exactly. The Philadelphia experiment actually was made into a movie back in 1984, went by the same name. He came across it in 1988. Wow.

So according to his story, he became intrigued by the movie and began to watch it. As he watched, he says that a flood of memories began to come back to him about his former life and his involvement in the experiment itself. And he went to bed that night and began to kind of piece together the puzzle of his former life. So incredible stuff when he really started to think about it. It makes sense, right? Yes. And that fashion, I mean, I think it's a decent explanation. I don't know.

Well, it makes sense because when you, the best ideas come to you right as you enter sleep. Yes. That's what Thomas Edison used to sit in a rocking chair and hold BBs in his hand. Nice. And then when he would fall asleep, the babies would fall and he'd wake up and he'd write down whatever he was thinking about. Actually, James Cameron, director, you know, Terminator, Avatar, he says almost all the ideas he's had for movies come to him in dreams and sleep. Yes, that's how it works. So it makes sense.

Here's a little bit more about detail about Al-Ellic here. When Al-Belik woke up, he remembered a few things. Among them, he wasn't actually named Al Belich. He was, in fact, another man altogether by the name of Edward Cameron, born in 1916, a full decade before he was quote-unquote officially born. And he had different parents, a different life, and a brother, Duncan Cameron, who he had by now been long estranged from. Both had enlisted in the military for service during the Second World War

and quickly rose in rank in stature, eventually working under figures like Nicola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Dr. John von Newman, specifically on a secret project to cloak warships and essentially render them invisible. There you go. Wow. So cool.

That's quite the double life, huh? But it makes sense. And that all comes back to him in his sleep after watching the movie is what he claims. Now, you're actually going to hear from Al Bielick coming up here in just a second. I know people will say, oh, he's so suggestible. He saw a movie and he just extrapolated it in his mind. No. And that's fine if you want to think that.

It works both ways. Yeah, true. It could have been, you know, it could have triggered him. Could have triggered the memories. Who knows? Now, we all know the grisly details of how the experiments went. We went through that in plenty detail. But according to Beulik, here's, okay, here's where things start to take a turn with his account, all right, as we piece all this together, all angles, if you will.

He and his brother were actually on the ship in the master control room during the experiments. And this is an inside look from Beelie. as things began to go wrong. Now, just for, I guess, context because of the sound doesn't sound very crisp and clear, this interview you're going to hear from Beulik was recorded in 1989. Do you think his testimony here makes it more believable? You decide.

Let's listen. Everything appeared normal to the ship, up to the railing, and slightly beyond. A short distance beyond the railing, there was nothing but a solid gray fog. We didn't think anything about that. They said, let's jump overboard, and we did. And we didn't say this verbally.

This is, shall we say, simultaneous mental thinking. We jumped overboard, and we never hit the water. We looked at swimmers. We weren't worried about the height. Never hit the water. We started to fall. The sensation was like falling down an elevator shaft with no bottom. And down we went, and down we went.

And suddenly, we were panicked straight. and we didn't have enough time to worry about being panic-stricken, but we were totally dismayed. We had not the fact of the idea of what was going on. Whoa. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so he jumped off the ship, which would explain why he survived.

Yes. He and his brother. The whole thing is totally believable to me. Really? Okay. That's good. You know, I tell, yeah, that makes sense. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S.

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And his test, it's a bit lengthy. So we're kind of like piecing this together because I also wanted to clear up any confusion from when Beulik is referring to the person he was with. It was his brother. Okay. So I just wanted to point that out there when he says, you know, we jumped off the ship together. That was, he's talking about his brother there that we heard that he forgot that he had. And so I guess the movie triggered it. his memories.

Did he go find his brother or did his brother not make it through the whole thing? It's interesting. You asked that because we're going to continue here with Beelich and I'm going to answer that for you after he's done because some of the stuff that he gets into, let's just say we save the best for last. And I'll also say it's long. It's about a minute and a half. So just, you know, fair warning.

Try to keep up with it. It's the stuff he says here is, I mean, well, I'll just play it. Go ahead. You can listen. And this went on until what we estimate was about two minutes later, we arrived in a very strange location. At night, standing upright next to a chain link fence. And it was dark, and we didn't know where we were. But we knew as a military base in all likelihood it because the chain link fence was of a military design.

At that point, very suddenly, a very bright spotlight came in and leaned down on us, illuminators very brightly. We wondered what that was, what we know what search lights were, but it was on a helicopter, and helicopters were unknown to us because in 1943 there were very few, they were experimental. But as it turned out, this was a production-type helicopter, as we learned later. But MPs came out of someplace and grabbed us and took us to a building. in the building on an elevator, down the elevator shaft, the door opens. We see a lot of military personnel and a very elderly civilian in a gray business suit. White here, what was left of it on the side of his head, walking towards us.

He looks at this, this gentleman, I've been expecting you, and Dr. John Vanoiman. So we look at him and he says, you're who? And I said, I'm Dr. John Venneman. Couldn't be. We left him about approximately an hour or so ago. ago. And he's a much younger man. Couldn't be you. Moot for this brother Sterling. This is not 1943. This is 1983. I am the same doctor

of Lenormand you knew in 1943 except I'm 40 years older. Welcome to the Montauk Air Force Station. And there's Montauk. So it's 1983 that they time travel to. Yes. So and when is it in the 80s that he learns of the...

He says that he learned in in 1988. Okay, so. So, but yeah, I thought maybe it triggered him when he traveled to that time. Oh, no. Okay. So here's the thing, because there's the time travel portion, right? We teased about time travel. Wow.

There you go. So Al's story continues. And I'll summarize it for you because he said that their old boss told them that the Eldridge was stuck in a hyperspace loop. Okay. And that it had it had torn a hole within the spacetime continuum. Oh. That's never good. No.

And that they had to go back and destroy the machines on the ship that were making this all possible. Now, again, I will say myself, I know this all sounds like something that I'm back to the future, okay? But this is the account that Beulik gave in 1989. And according to his story, they were sent back to that precise moment in 1943 using time travel tech. A thrust capacitor. Yeah, the flux capacitor. That was at the Montauk base. This, whatever they were using, whether it was the flux capacitor, I don't know, at the Montauk base.

And a DeLorean. That's right. They sent them back. Once back on the ship, they came across that familiar, gruesome scene that we've been detailing here from, you know, the destroyed electrical field. They went back and they destroyed that field, rendering them back at the Philadelphia dock in 1943. So here's the thing. the time frame and all, right? What happened?

1983, he found out 1988. Where is he? What time is it? So now they're back in 1943. They've been sent back from 83 to 43. They destroyed the machine. And now they're there in their own current time. They were also given, according to be like, radiation suits before they left to do this time travel expedition to go back to 1943.

So wearing the radiation suits explains how they avoided all these worst effects. that we kept hearing about. So I guess if you think about it like it's all these different vantage points, right? We started with the vantage point of the researchers, a scientist, the military men who were there on the dock, going on to the ship and finding these gruesome discoveries of the sailors fused into the steel and mangled and burned and all these, you know, and going to these psychotic states. That was the vantage point from there. But from the Beelix, their vantage point was they came back, they avoided the worst because they

time traveled by jumping through this time space loop and they come back in radiation suits so they avoid being fused into the steel they avoid being heavy radiation poisoning going to the psychotic state and they come back to find basically what the researchers found after they you know destroyed the machine so once that happens well that adds another level of verifiability if that's a word it's interesting right because that would explain kind of The ending to all of that, I guess you could say. You know, to kind of tie all this up. But what happened to his brother?

Yes. Well, he says, Al-Belik says, that after destroying the machines, this gray cloud was still there for a little bit. And his brother looked at him and said, you coming? No, that makes sense. He wanted to go back. He went back. His brother jumped. Al-Belik stayed behind.

And as his brother jumped back into the cloud, never to be seen again. Sure. All the researchers and... You're his brother. The generals, maybe. I don't know. You're his brother. What a twist.

Well, I knew it coming. That's why it's so interesting to me. Everybody comes running onto the ship to find all the sailors and Beulik standing there. And Beulik goes on to live his life, gets involved in many other projects. He says that after the Philadelphia experiment, he took more in a bunch of projects and experiments at Montauk on the New York base, which, By the way, if you thought all the crazy stuff was over, he says his projects that he worked on included time traveling to the year 2137. Not too far in the future.

The 28th century. And then even to Mars in the year 6037. Oh, my goodness. So he had a lot of memories come back to him after watching that movie. That is for sure. Well, and I also suppose everyone else around and were like, nice suit. You know, what happened to the radiation suit that didn't exist? the time. I guess he just ditched it. I mean, it's hard to say, but that is his account. That is

so good. The entire story of the Philadelphia experiment. How do you like that? You're him. I'm Al Belik's brother. But his brother traveled back. I don't know what happened to his brother. There's no account of his brother. Who did he talk to? What kind of life did he live? Al Belik went on to live a life after he was done with his experiments. They wipe his memory. He goes to have on to have this family. and doesn't remember until 1988 when he's watching the Philadelphia Experiment movie. Or so the story goes. So interesting.

I mean, just to even make that up, it takes an incredible mind. Well, see, the thing I find interesting here is, and I told you this was going to be a long one today, so sorry. But it was so much detail. And plus with Mike's story from Canada. But what I find intriguing is you have the huckster, if you will, that people painting him as this huckster in,

what I suppose is, Alende. This guy who they say came up with his story, said that he was there, and he's the one who made the Philadelphia story or experiment story public to begin with. Carl or Carlos Alende. They say that, you know, he's the one. He's the one who's spread it to begin with. But if he was making it up and then he dies in the early 90s, why is Albeulik coming out in 1988 and 1989 giving an account of the Philadelphia experiment,

giving details that Carlos Lerick is coming out? Lende never gave. And back then you didn't have the internet so these people can be looking at each other's experiences. Sure. Right. I mean, maybe he heard about Carlos Lenday in a book somewhere. I don't know. But he didn't even know about the Philadelphia experiment or forgot about it, I guess, until he saw the movie in 1988 that came out four years previous. Who was in the movie? I don't know, actually. It was kind of like a B movie. So I'm not sure anybody famous. All right. But it's so, it's so, it That's my biggest question with this.

If you want to believe that Carlos Alende made up the story, okay, when he related it back in the 50s, I believe, and that whole thing was just completely made up, none of it happened, then why is Al-Belic attaching himself to this and later in his life and giving completely different details that Alende never gave?

I mean, were they both making up fantastical stories to try to get attention or two different vantage points? He gave different details because he was part of it And he survived it. That's the thing. Are we seeing two different vantage points from people who were involved in this experiment that may have actually happened? This is wild. It's awesome.

Now, to be fair, a lot of people call us a conspiracy theory. A lot of people say you're insane for believing this story, that it's been proven to be a hoax. But I'm just asking questions. I'm just giving you the details, the stories, the accounts, and just asking questions. That's all. If you want to believe that it's completely insane and that it's been a proven hoax for years, then fine. by all means. But I think it's worth at least looking into, right?

Yes. They made a movie about it in Hollywood. It must be true. It's fascinating, isn't it? That's the clincher. Now, all that said, Karen, as we gave our final wrap up there, obviously this is the point of the episode where we would come on and tease the next one. That's right.

On Twitter, this week, I went on and I gave up a little teaser saying episode 60 is finally going to be coming, you know, stay tuned. It's, we can't wait to do it and tell you all about it. But we had some major news that might change the course of the show. Not really, though. Maybe not so much. But it is something that we've been thinking about a lot. It all goes to your response, the listener, you, the listener, the listener.

The response to this show, since we started it back in July of 2021, right? So it's been almost a year and a half since we started this show. Since you inspired me to do it, Karen. Yes. And everyone thought we were nuts. That's right. And they still kind of do, actually. But your incredible response to the show, the overwhelming positive response that we get,

whether it's an Apple review, a Spotify review, a five-star review, a message on Twitter, when you take your time to message us and tell us how much. you love the show, that you listen to every episode, that you take the time like Mike did in Canada to send us your own personal message that you may not even told your family, but you're telling us. So well written. It was. It's things like that that have led us to feel the need to explore different avenues with the show,

to try to grow it, to try to make it bigger and send out to a bigger audience and grow ourselves. from the show. And so because of all that, we're going to try to do that. We are, this is the last episode for, um, the year.

Not the last episode ever. We're going to, hopefully this is just the beginning, actually, quite the contrary. We're hoping this is just the beginning of, jumping off point. Yes, exactly.

Of, of something incredible that we've been experiencing together. It's an inflection point. Yes. A stepping stone point for the show. Stephen and I will continue to do this. Yes. We will be to do this. We may even show up in your hometown and talk to you personally.

That would be nice. Eventually in the future. But, yeah, we don't want to talk about platforms and all that crap. Right, that's what I'm trying to avoid. Just know that we're going to still be putting out a podcast about all this stuff. UAP isn't going to change. It's just some things for us personally. It makes it difficult to do some things that we want to do or receive things that we're looking

hoping to receive one day in the future from this show that we can't do now. We're getting a new mothership. Yeah, we'll say that. So we're exploring other opportunities and the show will be back. It's going to be in 2023. We're just in too far away. I mean, there's a few weeks left to the year, really. So don't worry about that.

But we'll keep you updated as we continue to explore how we're going to do this. And, you know, our goal is to keep it on the platform. that you find us on, Apple and Spotify and, you know, I think Amazon and all these different things. We're everywhere. So the goal is to stay there and for you to continue to make it easy to find us, for you to continue to be able to go back and listen to previous episodes that you haven't heard before. You're just now discovering the show. Well, actually, Stephen, nothing's really going to change. Maybe just more of a change for us.

Yeah. We're going to try to make it as seamless as possible. Our goal is to make it seem like nothing has changed for you. There you go. Even though it might be big changes for us. Sorry about it. You've inspired us. I guess in short, I know it sounds so dramatic,

but in short, you've inspired us to try to change things for ourselves. Yeah. And, you know, I guess just personal rewards of the show that we're trying to achieve. And, you know, maybe open up a YouTube channel. These are things that we've never been able to do before that we're trying to do now.

So that's the plan. Yay. Sorry to sound so dramatic about it. No, it's fabulous. But we will be back again. Apologies. It's not going to be this year. So enjoy the holidays. Enjoy Christmas. Hanukkah, all the holidays that December has to offer. And yeah, enjoy your family. Enjoy your family time. If you've missed any of the episodes, if you're just discovering us now, then feel free to go back and find the other previous 59 episodes.

That'll keep you busy until we get back to you in 2023. Yes, because we actually had somebody write to us on Twitter at UA Podcast 850, by the way, if you want to, follow along because I will be updating of what's going on throughout the rest of this year and early into next year as the new episodes come out. And so if you want to follow there and get the updates at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter. But it's, you know, we have people reach out to us and say that they just discovered the show. And now they're starting to binge it. So if that's you, feel free. You're still able to do that.

You can do that until the new episode comes out in 2023. Early, early 2020. It's going to happen in January. And it's going to be about? Well, actually, I want to play off of what we just did. So this is going to be a long teaser. You might hear it's going to be a month-long payoff for you. But actually, I want to do part, kind of like a part two of like mysterious disappearances like the Philadelphia experiment.

I've been fascinated by the Malaysian aircraft. Yes. Malaysian Air Flight 370. What happened to that aircraft? So you have a ship in the Philadelphia experiment with the USS Eldridge and something more recent in USA, or, I mean, Malaysia. Asian Air Flight 370, that aircraft had disappeared, what is that maybe six, eight years ago, somewhere in there? I think one piece of it was found on some island. Just almost no trace of it.

So I want to... And the Bermuda Triangle, right? Yes. So I want to tie those together. Because that's right here. Yeah, that's true. I mean, if you don't know, we... Of our coast.

We do the show here in South Florida is where Karen and I are located. So I want to tie those two together and tie it all together with what you just heard here in the Philadelphia experiment portion as far as these disappearances, mysterious disappearances that just cannot be explained. I know Bermuda triangle is kind of cliche, but it's interesting. I want to, we'll give it a twist as we come back in 2020

with the new episode. And what about the Mon Talk thing? Oh, I will have to think into that later on. All right. Oh, my God. So like we said, much more to come. Exciting things to come for you, AP. No changes for you.

You're still going to be able to find us. So we'll talk to you again in the new year in 2020. So again, follow us. We've got them bending spoons with their minds. Oh, I know. It's been quite an episode, quite a journey, and we'll be back with you again. So, again, if you want to follow the show, follow all the updates on Twitter, at UA Podcast 850 there. And continue downloading and subscribing to the show on Apple, UIP, you'll find us there. So we'll talk to you again soon. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah,

happy holidays. It's Karen Curtis there. And Stephen Deiner here. Have a good one. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks.