UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 7: The Solway Firth Spaceman Mystery

Episode Date: August 13, 2021

The Solway Firth Spaceman is considered to be one of the most mysterious and intriguing alien cases of all time. Listen as Diener and Karen guide you through all of the key details of the story as you try to figure out what many have had trouble explaining for almost 60 years...Just who is that standing in the background of that photo?See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Karen Curtis over there. Stephen Deane are here. How are you, Karen? I'm well, and I found a little tidbit. I just love impressing you with my uphology. Yes. Did you know that the planet Venus has been reported as a UFO more times than any other object in the universe?

Really? There's a lot of dumb people out there who are doing it. It's like right off the horizon, it turns different colors, and I thought that was really interesting. Look at Earth. No, that's Venus. That is interesting, though. I didn't know that, because I've always heard,

oh, well, it's a weather balloon, or it's the swamp gas reflecting into the Aurora Borealis or something. All these weird explanations that people come up with, well, not so much anymore with the release of that Congress report a couple months ago which led us to say hey why don't we do a podcast about all this stuff because they finally Congress that is finally acknowledged that well there's something out there we don't know what it is so essentially UFOs and you have been an expert on it when did you start getting interested in it I want to say probably the early 2000s early

yeah because you even late 90s so it's been a long time this kind of been like a hobby of mine even growing up. And it's always been something that intrigued me. Just a mystery behind it. And that's, that's what we have here today. Because last week was a doozy with, you know, Dulce base in New Mexico. That was, and we're still alive. Yes, we made it. I can't believe it. The people who killed Philip Schneider for telling that story did not come after us yet. But maybe they will after the sole way for the spaceman, because this is, this is fascinating. And it's one of those stories that I heard a long time ago. And it's intrigued me for a long time. So I thought, well, let's go ahead and do this one this week because this is one of those things, Karen, that did not get covered in the congressional report.

No. Well, yeah, way before. Yeah, way before. It didn't happen before 2004, never mind. And that was the thing. We thought, well, they know, they're only going back to 2004 with all these reports. All these things happen in 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 70s, 80s, not to mention all the ancient times, but, I mean, that's a whole different thing. Oh, yeah.

I mean, hello, who built the pyramids. Right. So we've been wanting to get into a lot of that stuff from previous times, and that's what we've been doing here on the podcast. So if you've ever missed any of the episodes, you can always go back and listen to the previous ones, wherever you find podcasts. Just search Unidentified Alien Podcast. So this thing, you sent me to the photograph.

It's about a photograph that was taken on a bright sunny day. It was in the summer of 1964. I was two. Oh, good. You weren't even born. So you remember Karen, see, people don't know this. Karen as a two-year-old would actually pick up the newspaper on Sunday mornings and just read away. I did.

You've been into news your whole life. I have, yes. I was a news consumer at two. That's right. So it was a Carlisle Fireman took a photo of his daughter and it created headlines around the world. So let me just, this is radio. It's not television or YouTube. We're going to paint the picture for you.

So I'm going to paint this picture of this kid. She's really cute. Yeah. She's kind of got like blonde, dirty blonde hair. it's a cut and a bowl cut with bangs. It's like a severe cut. She's got on this brand new dress. It's like grassy green with red flowers on it.

And she's holding a little handful of white flowers. She's kind of got a little Mona Lisa smile. But behind her, there's something right over her head. And it looks like a spaceman. And that's where the controversy comes in. With a visor. And some people, oh, no, that's it. his wife standing, she's got her back turned to him, and that's her blonde hair.

No. Yeah, and it's odd because, well, here's the thing about it. And this is where the story kind of takes a strange turn and really has been one of the greatest photographic mysteries debated anyway for almost 60 years now. Yeah, she's sitting there in a, like a park or a... Yeah, so they went to a park. This is her dad, Jim Templeton, and he explains what they were doing there. But there's no one around for miles.

behind her in the background. That's just what they said. It's just grass. And here he is. She was anxious to pick some seepink, you know. Seapings. Because these sea pinks are on, bruffmarsh. So we went out on the normal outing and picked our spot, sat down and I said, no, I'll take some photos of you with the new dress on.

Right. And that's so that was really, this is just a normal family. He was a firefighter in England, you know, near it near Solway. and he's the Soulway Firth over there with this park that they went to and he just thought you know what you have this nice new dress on you're my you know my little kids she's basically around my kindergarten age

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Yeah, she's a little girl. And he thought, you know, you look so cute in your new dress. We're going to the park as a family. Let me take my camera. We'll take some pictures. So he snaps. And here's the key, Karen. This is why I don't buy into some of the debunked, in air quotes, theories out there that say it's his wife.

And we'll get into that in a second because he took three consecutive pictures. Oh, I didn't know he took three. Three consecutive pictures. And now, again, this is 1964. So there's no iPhones. This wasn't. Now, there were Polaroids. It was on a brownie box camera.

I had a brownie camera. So, I mean, this is an old style camera, okay? And it wasn't even like a polaroid where it would print out and you would shake it in the air and it would develop right in front of you. No, this was something where the role of film was in there and you had to go get it developed at your drugstore, right? So they'd go about their day. They don't see anything suspicious. It's a quiet day. Right.

When he took the photo, he didn't see anything behind her. Correct. Until he takes the photo, gets it developed at the store. And he comes back a few days later because for us old people, we remember you would have to wait a few days for the, film to get developed. That's right. So he goes and gets it. Which is kind of creepy because other people are looking at your photos. I know. That always creep me out. But that's neither here nor there. But so the developer of the photos, the guy who's working at the store says, you know, here's your photos. He's like, boy, you know, these are great photos of your daughter. This guy

in the back here, he ruined your shot. You know, that's so annoying. It's such a nice shot. And Templeton says, what guy? There wasn't anybody else there. He looks at the three photos. the first photo and the third photo have no one there behind her. The second photo is the one. And if you want to see the photo, it's up. You can take a look on the 850 WFTL Instagram. Also 850WFTL.com and Twitter and Facebook. We have the photo up so you can see what we're talking about.

It definitely looks like a spaceman. And here's her dad, Jim Templeton, about him. That's the question. Who is he? Where's he from? Those are the two questions we won't answer. And that's a thing. And that's something that people still ask to this. day almost 60 years later is where did this guy come from again three photos taking consecutively

and in the second photo only you see this figure what looks like to be a spaceman they say spaceman because it looks like they're dressed in all white and it looks like a visor above where the eyes would be right and it's so and he just stands there with basically his or her hands on their hips standing in the background in the foreground in the foreground behind his daughter in the picture so they don't know they had no idea what it was of course rightfully so jim templeton was freaked out and said who was this person standing behind her we didn't see anybody and so he sent it to the police he actually went to the police right and then they got kodak involved right they did the police were like well you know we don't know what to do which by the way i have to correct myself did you know that

paul mccartney's wife linda eastman her dad's name was epstein he changed it to eastman she had nothing to do with eastman kodak okay good so now we know zero i thought This is how they, how she met him because of this whole code. We said that at the end of the episode last week. Sorry. I'm just completely wrong. No, that's okay. So basically what ends up happening from there is, and I know if we have more sound

from Jim Templeton himself, maybe he can explain a little bit too. This is what he said. He was recalling what happened when he spoke to the BBC in an interview right before his death in 2011. So we went out on the normal outing and picked our spot, sat down, and I said, no, I'll Take some farting after you with the new dress on. Never expecting this to happen. Right.

And it's amazing. I mean, you say that, Karen, in 2011, he dealt with this his entire life. That's almost 50 years when he took that picture. And he still got questions about it because the questions have never still 10 years after that interview been conclusively answered. Just there's really just assumptions. There's conjecture, right? There's educated guesses, really. Well, yeah.

I mean, for euphologists, it was clear. They said it's a white space suit, a helmet, dark visor. And they believed that Mr. Templeton photographed a spaceman. And so if you're seeing in there saying to yourself, well, obviously he faked a picture. He did some type of double exposure trick. You know, they were doing that back in the 1890s. I get that. Yeah, they used to do that.

They would pretend that you had spirits. Yes. Yes, that's right. Ghosts. And it was a big, it was actually like a little industry. Like these guys were making a lot of money. These photographers saying, oh, we could, you know, take a photograph of your dead loved one. And they would be taking old photos and doing double-executive.

exposure was not very nice, but this was not that. So how do we know that? Because after Jim Templeton went to the police and to the newspapers, he went to Kodak itself. Yeah. And actually Kodak reached out too because it was becoming kind of a big story in the news. Well, when you said he took it to the police in Carlisle, they declared there was nothing out of the ordinary from the photograph. And then they contacted Kodak. Right. And they said the same and even offered a reward to anyone who could prove the photo was faked and it was never claimed by the way right and then there was a media frenzy because it came to the attention of the local newspaper the cumberland news that's right and there it ran and ran and it was picked up by the daily mail and express which are the only newspapers to trust these days yeah really sorry and then there was this dr david clark an author on UFOs and he picked up on it

and it just got weirder and weirder then came the visit from the men in black yeah so that was a weird one too because after Kodak looked into this, they said, well, you didn't doctor this photo. Whatever this is, it's real. I mean, the people that the heads of Kodak investigated it and they came to the conclusion, this is not a fake photo. You mean it's not CGI, Stephen? That's right. Yes, there was not CGI, especially since there was none of 1964, but that's not here nor

there. Which makes it even more interesting because now when you have photos of UAPs, you know, UFOs, or aliens or whatever, there's so much speculation. especially that things are fake because you can always say that oh well someone did that on their computer using their MacBook or whatever but this is done with an original role of film in 1964 so that's why this thing has been so hard to explain for almost 60 years so these men in black that came to visit mr templeton he was asked to be taken to the spot where he took the picture that's right and the two men in black referred to each other as number nine and number 11 yeah very

strange and they said they were working. Will Smith. No. They said they were working for the Queen's Royal Majesty or something like that. And I mean there's been different reports that those guys. They were like pranksters and it wasn't even real. But we don't know. They weren't real men in black. You know, we don't know. There's been two different reports about it.

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Kodak says it's a real photo. Jim Templeton didn't know. The police didn't know. Nobody could figure it out. The prize, by the way, that Kodak put out, if anybody could figure out what was in the photo was a year's worth of free film. Oh. I think that might be a little outdated now if anybody's... I was going to say, yeah, who uses film.

So what happened was this thing went viral. It did. If it could in the 60s. And it made it to the newspapers in Australia. Yes. And there they... they were stunned because the figure they said looked like the same guys, the same figures, that they saw close to a missile.

That's right. And here's Mr. Templeton on this Australian spaceman missile thing. The men in that was at the stage where they were firing first Blue Street rocket. They saw on the monitors, somebody in the firing area. And of course the countdown was stopped. They searched the area, nobody to be found, not a saw. And it was put down as a technical fault. But those two men, whoever they were, reckoned when they saw the picture that was flown out, that it was exactly the same type of man, same dress, same figure, same size as the picture that was taken on Bufmarsh. So the plot thickened because the blue streak had been built by the RAAF,

Royal Air Force. Right. Just a few miles from where Mr. Templeton took the picture of Elizabeth. That's the girl's name. And as the story gathered momentum, it was also claimed that a UFO was seen at Womera, which was in Australia. Right. So that's the weird connection here. So you have this missile being built.

It was a secret project called Project Blue Streak. It was basically a ballistic missile that the Royal Air Force of England was attempting to build. to test in order to defend themselves. So let's test it on the Australians. Essentially, they were, it was kind of like their secret base in Australia. So these two figures... Well, that's where they sent all their convicts. Yeah, right.

These figures that were seen by the missile site matched the figure seen in the picture. So it makes you wonder, and they had to scrub that launch by the way when, because these guys were like right next to the missile on the launch pad. So like, who are these guys next to the missile? Oh, they weren't there, they weren't Australian guys. Right. So they actually had to scrub that launch, that test flight. Eventually it went off, you know, like a week later.

But at first, and then they realized, wait, this mysterious figure in the picture at Solway, Solway Firth, matches the two guys that were mysteriously on the launch pad at Australia, testing this inter-ballistic missile from England. So how do you have these figures who look the same on two different continents, essentially, almost within the same time period? And like you said, it was being built not too. too far away from where Jim Templeton was where he took this picture. So it's very odd.

Yeah, we know that aliens and UFOs show up to, you know, we did our one podcast, I think was the second one about. Malmstrom Air Force Base. Same idea. They want to make sure we don't blow up the earth because it, like, will affect the entire universe. So maybe they were checking it out. Maybe.

I mean, this was 1964. Mountaine Air Force Base was 1967. So it's three years apart where Mountaine Air Force Base, again, that was episode two. If you want to check it out, we talked about how these UFOs were. were seen over the Air Force Base there in Montana, I think. Yeah. I always forget. I think it was Montana.

Yeah. And they disabled the nuclear missiles there. They did. For like 24 hours. Right. And then they worked fine after that. This weird. Makes you wonder, Karen, the connection between different things like this, can we connect

Mountaine Air Force Base, which is 1967, to these two incidents in 1964 where you have the picture of this mysterious figure in the white seemingly looking space suit. to two figures in the same suit at a launch pad where a rocket was being built not too far away from where the first figure was. Right. And then they said that there was a UFO seen in Womero, which was near that area.

It's in Australia as well. Right. So, you know, there's a lot of weird things going on. And I'll close out with this. The final theory here that is, I guess, the accepted theory because people don't know what else to make of it. So I should say the accepted theory this point, point by skeptics is that that was Jim Templeton's wife in the background.

Right, Annie. Right. And they say that because basically they chalk it up to photo experts, modern day photo experts, chalk it up to overexposure, the sunlight affected the picture. A flare. It made her look very white. And that was actually her hair that you saw what looks like a visor. And to me, right, it doesn't make any sense because, again, like I said in the beginning of the episode, three consecutive photos. It wasn't like these were five minutes apart. And don't you think She was standing behind her with the bag. She would have said, honey, would you please move?

Move, right. Good God. I mean, the husband, Jim Templeton's going to say, hey, well, let me take this picture, move out of the way. He would have known that she was standing there. If it's the brownie box, you hold it down, and you look, the viewfinder was on top of the camera.

Remember that? Yes. And so you're like looking to, and the viewfinder was like three inches by three inches. So that might be an accepted theory to some, but to me, Karen, the mystery of the Solway Firth Spaceman lives on. That's the question.

Who is he? Where's he from? Those are the two questions. We won't answer. And that wraps up UAP. So check it out again. Wherever you get your podcast, check out Unidentified Alien Podcast, UAP on Apple, Spotify, all that good stuff.

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