UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 8: Undeniable Mass Sightings

Episode Date: August 20, 2021

There have been some incredible UFO/UAP sightings throughout our history, but these three stories of mass sightings have especially withstood the test of time. Join Stephen Diener and Karen Curtis as they dive into the Phoenix lights, the Stephenville mothership, and the unbelievable case out of Zimbabwe where 60 school children all witnessed the same close encounter. And they have the pictures to prove it...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And you know how I like to start out our podcast with a little tidbit of trivia? Yes, you do. That's true. Well, scientists have conducted tests that reveal Stonehenge is made from a nearly indestructible ancient material. Hmm. That is some interesting trivia, Karen. Well, the rare core sample removed years ago contains a form of quartz that doesn't erode or crumble.

Well, it's interesting that you bring that up here today because last week, when we ended the episode, we said this week was going to be a surprise. You know, normally we like to give you a little preview. The topic. Yeah, what the topic is for the next one. So this week we're going to be talking about some of the greatest, most, I guess you could say, mysterious, unexplained UAP, UFO mass sightings. So we have three in particular. They're hard to refute when there's, like, more than just one dope out there going, oh, look at the lights. Exactly.

Exactly. So we have three really interesting stories today to go into that. But it's interesting that you bring up Stonehenge because next week, here's an early TV. for next week. It's going to go into more of the ancient alien side of things. But that's next week. Today we have mass sightings. You know, like who built all these places like Puma Punku? By the way, these stones, apparently, the geochemical composition was made from 99.7% quartz crystals, stones practically indestructible, according to a study. And the study was made possible by a diamond cutter.

Robert Phillips. He died last year. Rest his soul. And he should know, diamonds, hello. And he did repair work at Stonehenge in 1958, he actually helped to restore and re-erect a fallen trilathon of three stones. The trilithon has the stone on top. He like had to drill into

Stone 58. So this is going to be really interesting next week to go over that stuff and that's a little lead-in. Keep those little things in mind and it's your little trivia, your tidbit, Karen, actually ended up being a tease for next week. How do you like that? I love it. I think last week I teased

that Venus is the number one UFO sighting. That's right. And actually that can kind of go into what we're doing today, mass UFO sightings or UAP, because there have been really some very famous ones, some very talked about ones as far as mass sightings. And again, we use the word mass intentionally because it's a lot different, like you said, Karen, when it's a farmer in Kansas, not to put down farmers in Kansas, but when it's a farmer in Kansas who says, I saw some strange lights in the sky and everyone's like, well, you're the only one who saw, buddy so we don't know what to tell you whereas you can go to 20 30 40 a hundred people who all say or an entire town in some cases that we're going to talk about today who all say that they saw the same thing at the same time those are hard to explain those are hard to refute it's crazy it is crazy and in the first instance we're going to talk about stephen bill yes no relation to you uh Texas but a bunch of people saw this situation was the

biggest and most significant UFO sighting in American history. There were like 200 sightings. It was like a UFO infestation. Yeah, just that, you know, just the biggest one in history. So we're starting off. Holy moly. With a bang here. Now, I believe, Karen, if you have the year in front of you, I'm trying to remember the year off the top of my head.

Early 2000s? 2008, January 8th, the invasion took place. It actually, they first saw some of these things in the sky in December, and then on January 8th, that's when the bottom fell out. and it was one of the larger UFO sightings in the United States. Stevenville has a population of 16,000. It's known for its dairy farming. It's the self-professed Kabul capital of the world.

Fantastic. Yeah, it's south of Fort Worth. Okay. Here's some of the sound from the locals who saw what was going on. I am scared. The girls were screaming. Some of them were crying. Almost like a flock of birds.

I hope it's not. It's apparently spinning. I can't explain that. I couldn't answer anything on that. What is going on you? Two large, glowing red objects. We're not making no sign that was silent. I counted probably maybe 10, 12, 14 lights.

Just totally silent. No sound. I never heard of sounds. There wasn't any noise. This wasn't an unusual object of some sort. Probably the end of our civilization as we know it. Oh, gosh. So I just, hopefully not to mean it was 13 years ago.

So we're doing okay. so far 13 years later, but, well, I guess okay is a relative term, but it's neither here nor there. It is, it is interesting, though, because we say a mass siting, and you heard a lot of different voices there, a lot of different people. They all saw the same thing and described it. Yeah, and the thing that it's silent, that's so interesting to me. That is something that is commonly, I guess you could say reported in different sightings, especially in mass sightings where people say you don't hear it. even in some of these sightings from different military personnel that have come out through this report that became a big deal a couple months ago.

It's how and why we started this podcast to begin with was that report that came out from Congress and the New York Times put it out about the military and their, I guess, interactions with UAPs, UFOs. And they always say the same thing, silent, no propulsion, no type of smoke trail. Like, it's just zooming across the sky. And there's no explanation to rhyme or reason as to how that's happening. Except for the one contrail that we talked about that went from pole to pole. Right. Which contrails dissipate in 15 minutes. I think that was back in episode two, way back when.

Way back. Yes. Lost time. We just experienced lost time. But what's interesting on January 8th, 2008 in Stevensville, Texas was that one of the observers, he's a pilot, Stephen Allen. He said that he saw it from the ground and he described it as. being a half mile wide with flashing strobe lights. That's right.

And it was pursued by two fighter jets. Right. And then it disappeared at some speed. He estimated to be at 3,000 miles an hour. Right, right. And he said it was a biblical experience. Yeah, it's really something when you hear different testimonials from all of these different people from all walks of life. Right now you're talking about a pilot who's in the air who's experiencing this chase essentially where he's going after to investigate himself in his own aircraft.

and then he has fighter jets who are chasing it. Well, they denied that. Of course. The Air Force first said, Witness must have seen reflections coming from commercial airliners. Yeah, commercial airliners going 3,000 miles an hour making no sound. Sure. I'd like to live in that flight path, please.

Yes, commercial airliners make a sound like a fighter jet. Okay. So it's just one of those ridiculous explanations that the military and the government come up with. but the description that he gives, Karen, was something that a lot of people gave, and it's kind of been refuted as to what exactly they saw. Some people think, well, I saw a UFO slash UAP that was half a mile wide and a mile long. Other people say, well, it wasn't a mothership because this is also, there's another name for this. So the big ones are a mothership?

Right. So this has actually been given another name over time. It's been called the mother. Big ass ship? No, that's not it. The mothership over Stephenville. Stevensville. And so some people referred to it as that. Other people say that it's many ships, many UFOs that made it look like it was one giant mothership. So there's some dispute as to what

exactly they saw, but what we do know is what they're saying, they can't explain it. And it was all of these lights. It was silent. It was fast. It went over the city and no one can explain what they saw. Well, one guy walked out of his house and said that there were military helicopters flown at low altitude over residence homes after the fact, and that they were getting strange phone calls.

Then one resident said an unknown man came to his door. The man in black. Oh, my gosh. And he said, son, we have the same caliber weapons you have, but we have more of them. Oh, Lord. But so the United States

initially said that, you know, that they Nothing to see here. But then they said, well, we clarified that 10 F-16 fighting falcons had been on a nighttime training mission in the area. Oh, 10 of them, sure. On January 8th. So it was a training mission. Right. And in the, quote, in the interest of public awareness, Air Force Reserve Command Public Affairs realized an error was made regarding the reported training activity of military aircraft.

Right. Okay. So because you never hear, you know, fighter jets, right? They're not extremely loud or anything like that. Anybody who's ever been to some type of air show. Oh, we love the sound. Yes. Look at the NASCAR.

We love a, you know, glackageage, glackage, glaque. Yeah, I mean, if you're at an air show, if you're at a sporting event, even if you're not there, if you've seen, you know, the National Anthem. Just go watch Whitney Houston's National Anthem at the Super Bowl in 1991 and watch the flyover. You hear these aircraft. I mean, come on. If it was aircraft of our own as far as fighter jets, F-16s, Yeah, they make noise. People would have known that's what it was.

Now, if they want to say that's why they were out flying, that's a different story. They can say, well, people saw and heard our aircraft because it was a training exercise. Well, what were they chasing then? Exactly. So there's still so many questions when it comes to the Stevenville mothership siding. And it's left on answered because, you know, they don't tell you everything. What's going on? Your favorite organization, mufond.

Yes, I love Mufon. The Mutual UFO Network. And moveon.org. No, it's Mufon. The Mutual UFO Network released a 77-page report on these sightings. Mufon is a UFO investigative organization in the United States. It was founded in 1969, by the way. It now is 3,000 members.

But anyway, the Mufon report entitled Special Research Report, Stephen, not plural, Stephenville, Texas, was written by Glenn Schultz and Robert Powell. Do you know them? I know the name Robert Powell, yes. Okay, well, Schultz has raised. radar experience from working with White Sands Missile Range, and Powell has a chemistry degree and has extensive experience with semiconductors from working for advanced micro devices. Wow.

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Just kind of like with the government report that came out, well, there's something there. We just don't know what it is. Well, it said twice radar picked up an object traveling at 2,000 miles an hour. My gosh. And at other times it showed a slow moving object. Yeah, it's super interesting. And we don't know.

And that's the bottom line. Now I will be fair and I'll close it up by this because our next story is also one of the most famous mass UFO sightings ever recorded in the world. But I will say I will... In the universe. Yes, really. I will concede to the fact that any of these could be this one in Stephenville and the next ones we're going to talk about, well, the third one, kind of hard to say that it's a military experiment.

But this one and the next one we're going to talk about could be some type of secret military technology that they're testing and they don't want people to know. So that's why they don't say anything. I will fully concede that. I know. I think the governor of Arizona would have known about it. Yes. And you're going to hear from him about this. About this next one.

Well, when it comes to Stephenville and the one in Arizona, because they, again, you know, you have detractors, you have skeptics. And that's who I speak to in this moment is they say, oh, well, it could just be, you know, military experiments and they don't want you to know about the secrets technology they're testing. And I fully concede to that. They did that with the SR 7-1 Blackbird back in the day when they were testing that with Skunk Works and at Area 51 and, you know, the U2 spy plane. People thought those were UFOs. Oh, and weather balloons. Don't forget those. Yeah, of course.

Because they couldn't explain how can aircraft get that high, but it was because we had the technology. for these super secret spy planes. But when you look at all the facts and all the reports of these sightings, it's hard for me to say this is secret U.S. technology because it just sounds too far out there. Well, if it can go 2,000 miles an hour, I would like that because then I could, you know, fly from here to Europe in an hour. But this is called the Phoenix Lights. Yes, story number two.

Called the Lights over Phoenix. Right. Not to be misconstrued with anything else over Phoenix. but it was a series of widely cited unidentified flying objects happened March 13th, 1997. Right. I remember this. And it was seen in Arizona, Nevada, and the Mexican state of Sonora. So even the Mexicans saw it. That's right.

In lights of varying descriptions were seen by thousands of people. It was between 7.30 p.m. and 10.30. That's mountain time. In a space of about 300 miles from the Nevada line through Phoenix to the end. edge of Tucson. And there were two distinct events involved in the incident. A triangular formation of lights seen to pass over the state in a series of stationary lights seen in the Phoenix area. Right. That's right. So it was, which is also odd because normally in a mass sighting, you have the same type of movement description, right? As in Stephenville, people are saying sometimes

it's moving fast, sometimes it was hovering and moving slow. In this case, you have a stationary and a moving. So I guess it just depended on your perspective of where you were and how you saw it. But mostly this is famous for, like you said, the lights over Phoenix. And it became national news. I actually remember this. I'm kind of aging myself here. But I was 11 years old when this happened.

And I remember seeing this on the nightly news. You were 11 and 97? I was. Yes. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And I remember seeing this and being fascinated. And maybe this is where my obsession, if you will, about the unknown.

of UFOs and, you know, UAP and alien life kind of started was probably from this. This might be my nexus event of where this whole started. Well, according to the United States Air Force, they identified the second group of lights as flares. Right. Dropped by A10 Whart Hog Aircraft. That's incorrect. No, well, you're right in their explanation. That were training on exercises at the Barry Goldwater Range in southwest Arizona.

Witnesses claimed to have observed a huge carpenter square-shaped UFO. containing five spherical lights or possibly light emitting engines. Right. So that's the weird thing about this, too, is if you remember the footage of this, and if not, you can just search Lights Over Phoenix on YouTube and you see all the old footage. No, you're going to go to 850WFCL.com. Of course, that too. And you're going to look at our blog.

Yes. We have a blog. Okay. And we'll have the video there of the lights over Phoenix because there's video of it. Even easier. So we'll put the video up there on our blog. So once you are done with this episode, go ahead and head over 850WFTL.com and to the UAP blog. And you can see this video if you don't remember this scenario because what happened in some cases,

what the people were seeing were it started off as one light, two lights, three lights. And these lights kept appearing until you could see basically five lights in a V shape. And that's why when you have witnesses draw pictures of this aircraft, they draw a giant V shape. So, you know, like an incomplete triangle. and with the point at the front of it. And it hasn't, stealth bombers don't have lights like that, okay? Right. Now, it's, you know, the stealth bomber,

and I've seen a stealth bomber in person fly over when I was at a football game one time. This was not a stealth bomber. Right, you know. Yes. Well, in fact, Stephen, one witness is very credible. The governor of Arizona. Guess what his name is?

Fife Symington. That's a strong name. I know. He was the governor of Arizona at the time. And years later, He said he witnessed the incident. He actually was talking with Fox 10 Phoenix in May of 2014. Remember, this happened in 1997.

And so initially he was afraid to talk about it. Right. But here is old fife. It's nothing like anything I've ever seen. And you're an Air Force guy. Yeah, yeah, and a pilot. Got a lot of hours flying. So it was pretty breathtaking.

And I'll never forget. I snuck out to see it without DPS. I'm not supposed to be driving my own car. And I told Anne what I was doing, I was going to go up to Squaw Peak and see what everybody was, you know, clamoring about. And when I walked in the front door, she looked at me just normally I'm fair, complexed and pale anyway, right? And she said, oh, my gosh, she said, she'd look like a ghost. What did you see? And I said, I don't know what I saw, but it was really something.

And I'm not going to talk about it. He called it otherworldly. What are the white aliens with the blue eyes? Like the Anderson Cooper ones? They call those the Nordics. The Nordics. He looks like a Nordic, this fights. Anderson Cooper aliens.

Yes. I love that sound personally from the former governor of Arizona, Fife, Governor of Fife, because it goes to the culture of secrecy. He went in and investigated for himself. This is the governor of the state at the time. Without security. Is that DPS? Is security?

Yeah, it's like his, you know, his details. if you will, a secret service for the governor, if you will, if you want to compare it to that. So he leaves without his security detail and kind of goes off on his own to check this out because he wanted to, you know, not have anybody bother him. And as he goes out there to check this out, that's what he sees. He sees the lights over Phoenix. Imagine a major American city and everybody's seen a giant UFO flying over. That's what happened in Phoenix on March 13, 1997.

And even the governor at the time went out to check it out, saw it. knew he was experiencing something different, something he's never seen before, something literally out of this world. And he's a pilot, so he should know. Exactly. So you have a credible witness, more over on that, because he knows aeronautics and things of that nature. And he's coming back and saying, I don't know what I saw, but it's not of this world. But I can't say that to anybody. That, again, went to the culture of secrecy or the stigma, if you will.

This is taboo. You weren't supposed to talk about this. If you did. Seeing little gray men. Yeah. then people thought... Little green, gray, purple, whatever. People thought you were crazy if you talked about seeing these things.

So him as the governor, he knew he saw something strange. He knew he saw something he couldn't explain, but he couldn't come out to talk about it because that was the idea behind this. And it still is in some cases. People feel like you're going to be crazy if you talk about it. He waited until 2014. Here's more of the interview. Well, I saw a huge craft just kind of come right over a squaw peak that was just

breathtaking and unquestionably it was a UFO which means unidentified flying object. Thank you. That's right. Thank you, Fife. I mean, by actual definition, it was a UFO, yes. Or now a UAP, right? That's right. Unidentified aerial phenomenon is the government term for this because they wanted to get away

from UFO since it has that stigma around it. It has a my favorite Martian stigma to it. Right. My favorite Martian intro starring Ray Walston and Bill Bixby in 1965. So they went with That's true I mean it has this This stigma that's when you hear you a phone

The first thing most people do is they roll their eyes Ah, you and your aliens I know when we decided to do this podcast You know before that was me And then when the government report came out I'm like maybe there's something to this Because there's some pretty educated people Who say they saw stuff

Here's more on five The other thing I've ever seen in the sky Like an aircraft carrier in the sky Yeah yeah yeah Something like that you know and it was hard to define because of the light in terms of the size but it but it was absolutely silent and that's sort of eerie embedded lights and that's what I saw yeah so as we said the air force said no no no that was flares and the governor no he says it wasn't there's been so many

different sort of sightings and inexplicable phenomena that but the disparity in terms of technological progress would be so vast that we would be i think of sort of no consequence to whoever is visiting us because the technology to get here would be just beyond anything we could imagine. Did it hover? No, it was just going in a straight line. Slow pace. Yeah, slow pace, yeah. And then, you know, there were all the sightings.

There were the sightings of the America West Plain coming into Sky Harbor said he could have landed on it. It's that big. It was that big. Whoa. So that's a commercial airliner saying they could have landed on this thing, which goes back to the Stevenville mothership story. I mean, these things in some cases are enormous. And that's where you have these mass sightings.

that people cannot explain. And I'm glad you brought up the flares again, Karen. Yeah. Because just to go back to that explanation real quick from the military, because that was, that's the official explanation. And some people are fine with that. And they say when they hear the Phoenix Light story, they say, oh, what are you crazy? That was debunked years ago.

The military said it was flares. Okay, use your brain for a second. Okay. Please. Please. A10s, I actually did research on this, have 30 flares that they can shoot off. Okay, the flares don't last very long. That's another thing you have to remember it.

People said these lights hovered for, you know, close to an hour for a long time. These flares are not going to last for an hour. They were special flares, Stephen. Yeah, exactly. And flares, in case you're wondering what they're used for, they're to put out, basically like heat-seeking missiles that come up from the ground, they're anti-aircraft missiles. So the flares burn hotter than the exhaust would from the airplane, which is my other point. There was no exhaust scene from the aircraft. So you can get target lock.

Right. So in this case, the A10 would drop the flares, and that way the missile hits the flares instead of the plane. But if you're seeing an A10 dropping flares, number one, you're going to hear the A10. Right. It's a war plane. You're going to hear it. Number two, you're going to see the exhaust coming out. And that's why he would drop flares to begin with as far as a military exercise. In this case, if it was a secret military exercise like they were talking about, you would have heard it. You would have seen it. The governor would have known about it. He goes, it was not a B1 bomber. It wasn't even close to it was much bigger than a B1. A B1 actually isn't that big. Right.

I mean, if it's at low altitude, it'll appear a big, but no, this was totally different. Something, though, that you think our own government may have been kind of running by a populated area to see what would happen? Well, they certainly achieved their goal of stirring the pot if that's what they were doing. But I don't think, I don't think so. I don't, I think this was technologically far advanced. And that's, I mean, there you go. That's the governor saying that the former governor back when this happened in 1997 of Arizona, Fifee Simmington, that's his.

It's Fifee, Fifee, would you give my slippers, please? Fifee, dolly. I hope his wife talks to him like that. But that's his take on. And this, again, former governor, former pilot, knows what he's talking about. The B1 appears larger when it's closer. Things in mirror appear closer than they are larger. What?

Objects may appear closer than they seem. And also on the flares, like we said, the 8-10s would shoot out 30 flares. Again, maybe this might be on our blog, too, to show you the difference in flares, what flares look like as opposed to the Phoenix lights. Because when an airplane or a warplane in this case, and what they're saying it was, their official explanation, shoots out flares, they come out like rapid fire. Right. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right out the back. These were steady lights that stayed there and five of them. Not 30. Five.

So, I mean, come on, guys. Do better than that. So this to me is one of the most famous, if not the most famous mass siting that in my book is still unexplained. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy to run email and social media campaigns. But what if you hit that wall and you get stuck somewhere?

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Because you even had, I think it was the mayor of Phoenix. And he regrets this now because when this was all happening, And like I said, it was national news at the time and really world news because it got picked up by so many outlets. He came out to a press conference to try to explain what was happening. And he's like, we have the culprit here to explain what's happening. And he had one of his assistants come out dressed as a gray alien. Oh. And people were laughing.

They made fun of it. And he said later on, after that, after his term was up, he's like, you know, I did that to try to make a joke of it. He's like, but I saw it too and I can't explain it. And I kind of regret making a joke of it because I feel like I deal. legitimized our citizens who were concerned about this. And to this day, it's not explained. Well, like War of the Worlds, you know, the opening of the jar and a toilet that was the sound effect. And people were freaking out.

And that's, I guess the government's afraid. That's how we would react in reality. Now nearer home comes a special bulletin from Trenton, New Jersey. It is reported that at 8.50 p.m., a huge flaming object, believed to be a meteorite, fell on a farm in the neighborhood of Grover's Mill, New Jersey, 22 miles from Trenton. The flash in the sky was visible within a radius of several hundred miles, and the noise of the impact was heard as far north as Elizabeth. We have the special mobile unit to the scene. Now the smoke spreading faster is reached Times Square.

People are trying to run away from it, but it's no use. They're falling like flies. It's just to speak. October 30th, 1938. War of the Worlds. But in 1994, 60 children at aerial school in Rua Zimbabwe. Yes. Said they saw UFO and aliens with big eyes in the bushland near their school playground.

And the story got reported around the world because they drew pictures of them. So this is story number three. You can't refute this stuff. It's not like a photo. These kids drew it. Right. And that's why we chose these three stories in particular because they're so hard to argue. And they've stood the test of time.

And this last one is the oldest story out of the bunch. And like you said, 1994, this is a different type of mass sighting care. And this is a mass siting where you're not just having people on the ground looking up to the sky and saying, I'm seeing lights that I can't explain hovering over me. This is a mass sighting of we have seen craft land and we've seen beans come off the craft. Here is our picture description of what they look like. And these are children. Right. Well, and we also have the picture up at our website, 850WFTL.com.

Yeah, you can see the picture they drew. It's part of our cover photo, actually, for our episode 8 this week of mass sightings. The BBC crew were among the first on the scene, and they spoke to the kids and the teachers. I guess the BBC speaks Zimbabwean. Maybe. They have a reporter embedded. I don't know. They also report strange lights and a craft in the sky in other parts of Zimbabwe as well as in Zambia and in South Africa.

No, you're right. They have these reports coming out of Zimbabwe and Zambia, but Zimbabwe is where the siding took place. But it is interesting to bring up Zambia as well because normally in these mass siting situations, you have what they call cluster sightings. And that's where you have different sightings, different days for an extended period of time. We've seen it happen in England. We've seen it happen in the Middle East. We've seen it happen in the United States, most famously with, you know, in the areas of Arizona. The Phoenix Lights are just the most famous case of a siting in Arizona. There is always sightings in Arizona.

Whatever it is, Arizona is a hotbed. That's interesting. And of course, New Mexico. But that area, that region there, for whatever reason, is kind of a hotbed. But when it comes to this case in Zimbabwe, this to me is also one of the most incredible cases. And one of the most hardest things to refute because now you're dealing with school age children. Right. And they're all drawing the same thing.

They're all drawing the same thing. And think about how children operate. You might have a couple of, you know, troublemakers in the group, but you're not going to get 60 kids to agree. Again, school age, I'm talking, you know, before middle school. You're not going to get 60 kids all to agree on a story and hold true to that story. There's going to be maybe two or three that try to trick you and say, yeah, look, we'll draw some pictures and play a prank, play a trick in everybody.

You have all 60 kids. agreeing on what they saw. Agreeing and saying, yes, this is true. It's like when Americans flew in with their little biplanes, they made biplanes out of straw. Yeah. To show what they thought was from the gods. Right.

You know. Right. They recreate what they see. Yeah, exactly. And so in this case, like you said, they're recreating what they're seeing, which is why the ancient aliens in our episode nine next week is going to be so interesting because people recreate what they see

in the only ways they know how. And that's what they did in Zababwe. These kids, they took their pen, their paper, they're at school, they have all the school supplies in their desk, and they draw this picture of an alien. Yeah. And a ship. Yeah. And so I don't know that they had internet in 1994 in Zimbabwe, but we're going to take you to Bolivia next week and Puma Pumku, but there's only one explanation for everything that we've learned on this podcast. Probably the end of our civilization as we know it.

Oh, no. I hope not. Maybe that's what the kids were thinking in Zimbabwe, because think about how. Shocked they must have been when this is happening, right? I mean, you're in school. Have you ever seen anything weird? Because I think if you personally do see something, a UFO, and you've experienced it, it's going to change the way you look at everything, from the Earth to the universe to our solar system, everything.

I think it resets your mind because now you've seen it. Yeah, no, for sure. And I've heard people say that before. Like, oh, I was a skeptic before I saw something. thing myself. Now, I've always been intrigued by it. I've always leaned toward these, this is real and it's unexplained. We just don't know what's going on. Like the cargo cult. I mean, I saw something strange one time. It might have been helicopters, though, so I can't say that what I saw was actually UFOs, or I mean, it was unidentified to me because I couldn't tell what it was. Well, we had one over Miami

recently. I put video up at our website. Right. These things have been seen everywhere all the time around the world. And, you know, these three cases that we went over today are really, to me, the most the three most interesting, famous, irrefutable mass sighting cases I've come across. Because when you have, there was even more going on in that story in Zimbabwe where investigators came out and the grass was glowing. That was unexplained. Really? Some of the kids had some type of sickness, I believe, that could only be explained

by, you know, in coming in contact with radiation. There was a lot going on with that where, again, I have two young kids, okay, a 60-year-old and a four-year-old, and I'm telling you, it's impossible to get two kids that age to agree on a story. It's absolutely 100% impossible to have 60 kids, school-age children, agree on a story, and not deviate from the story. This is not, you know, a mastermind gang where, hey, all right, here's what we're going to do. Here's the story. Yeah, if you tried to tell them to get on the same page, there's no way. No, no, absolutely not. But when something happens that's so, you know, earth-shattering, to these people, they remember it.

Exactly. And that's exactly it. So this was such a huge event for them that it all, it hit them all the same way where, yes, this happened. Yes, we saw this. Yes, we saw this alien. We saw the UFO. Here's our drawings. It's called a crystalline moment. It just crystallizes in your head for everyone that experienced it. And actually, the story that I saw on this, they were older being interviewed and they still tell the same story because it stuck with them all of their lives. Again, this happened 27 years ago. So they're being interviewed 20 years after. the fact and the story that I saw.

And so it's unbelievable. I know if you ask someone about an accident or a robbery, they'll say, oh, he had on a blue hoodie. No, he had on a gray sweatshirt. Right. Everyone's got a different story. Right. But not in this case. No, in this case. And that's a great point because this is a case as far as in Zababwe with the school children that has stood the test of time and that all of the witnesses still tell the same story and they talk about it like it happened yesterday. So that to me means that this actually happened to them and they're not making it up. Did they communicate with the beings?

No, but they said they saw it kind of walking about, kind of walked into the bush, and then it eventually took off. And they saw the lights, they saw everything. I mean, they were all a part of this and all experienced it together. They probably did not have a lot of high technology in the area. So this would have been really...

1994 Zimbabwe. I mean, my gosh, 1994 in my house in Bokoetona. have a lot of technology. So, exactly. Good Lord. Yeah. Yeah, this is something that's, again,

that to me, that story, especially, I know Stephenville, the mothership over there, very interesting, a lot of sightings, the lights over Phoenix, unexplainable. This one really hits you like, all right,

something weird is going on. How do all these kids have the same recollection, the same way of the same story? It's pretty hard. Now, speaking of how do people have the same recollection of the same story

and standing in the test of time? next week we're going to get into like we said earlier as we started the ancient alien aspect of things and we're not going to get into you know like the show and go crazy and go into all these different theories but things like you know puma punka um or puma punka i'm sorry you know uh akanaten things like that there's there's so much to unravel when it comes to the ancient aliens and how people recorded it you know thousands of years ago some of these sites just defy any type of reality. And how things were built so perfectly.

I mean, there's so many things to get into on this next week. Ancient astronaut theorists say yes. Yes. So make sure to check out episode nine then next week on UAP, Unidentified Alien Podcast. And make sure to go back and listen to the other ones too if you thought, oh my gosh, what am I doing? I haven't heard episodes one through seven, Apple, Spotify, or WFTL.com, where all the episodes are, you can listen to that. Or any other place where you get podcasts because we're everywhere. So you can find us wherever you get your podcast.

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