UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 82 Behind the Scenes with Patrick from "Vetted"

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

For the first time, Patrick, from the hugely popular YouTube show -"Vetted" joins Stephen Diener on UAP. Listen as they discuss some of Patrick's most recent findings, biggest stories, and how it all began for Vetted. Also, we learn about a mysterious and seldom mentioned man named Tim Taylor. All that and so much more in this part one episode...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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If you don't know the show, well, you're about to learn a lot about it. But he does a great show. VETI has a really big following on YouTube as a podcast right there. on YouTube and Patrick does a great job with daily episodes, uh, basically updating and talking about all the big subjects and breaking topics and news and, and, you know, things that people really aren't talking about.

And he kind of gets the conversation started on some different subjects and topics that, um, you know, other people maybe aren't paying attention to. And I was on his show a couple different times and we had a great time together on his show talking about some of the different things that I've done on UAP. So I thought, a few weeks ago, man, I'd love to have Patrick on my show. Let's get Patrick to join the

UAP verse here and come on and talk about what he's done on vetted and some of the things that he's investigated and spoken about. Really, really, really fascinating stuff and some things that I had never heard about and that we cover here today. So bottom line is we had a lot of fun together, really long conversation. So this is part one, part two will come out next week. but in part one you're going to hear Patrick and I talk about the Varginia case. Of course, Varzina, Varginia, Varginia, I know it's pronounced differently, Brazil, where that's a famous case that James Fox worked on. And we go into that a little bit because it kind of goes into the origin story of how Patrick started vetted. So you're going to hear about that.

A lot of behind the scenes of how Patrick kind of works things when it comes to putting together his podcast. and what goes into it? How does he vet the guests before he brings them on? So a lot of details and minutia kind of getting into the weeds together about how things work behind the scenes, which is always kind of cool to hear. And then a celebrity bodyguard. This is one that he just brought out within the past day or two.

This guy apparently, and we're still trying to figure some of this out, but you're going to hear about this bodyguard who says that he was approached by someone in the Pentagon, a Pentagon official, who had all this top secret information and needed protection for a few days. And it might have been Lou Elizondo. So we're going to get into that. We do speak about Lou Elizondo on a few different, I guess, topics of conversation. And a man you're going to hear us talk about named Tupacabra.

Tupacabra is a man on Twitter on X who has created a website called UFO Timeline. If you're not familiar with that, we also mention UFO timeline. It's brand new. It hasn't even really, I think, set in yet. Like, as an official website, it's still kind of like in the beta. But he's done an incredible work on that. So Patrick has done some digging on that

and has done an episode about UFO timeline. So we get into a ton of stuff here in part one. Again, we've covered so many different topics and just told a lot of great stories throughout the entire conversation. So I look forward to you hearing part one here today and then part two, a few days. down the road. We talk about Gary Nolan and his mystery scientist who witnessed the UAP.

at Rendlesham Forest. You're going to hear us mention that. If you're not familiar with Rendlesham Forest, then just real quickly, just to add context before we get into the conversation, back in the early 80s, Air Force Base in England, Jim Penningston and John Burroughs were the two men who approached a UFO out in the woods. A lot of physical evidence was left there. One of the guys there actually had some lasting effects from touching the UFO. And it was investigated and found to be anomalous even days later with their commanding officers. So there was, Reynolds and Forrest is one of the most famous cases out there. I was one that I think it was actually the first episode I ever did, episode one of UAP. So if you want to hear the in depth on that,

you can even go back and listen to episode one of UAP if you, if you're a little unfamiliar with it, but just to give you a little context, and when you hear us talk about Rendell Shum Forest, Bill Carter, you're going to hear that name. He's a guy, a new whistleblower who worked at Eglon Air Force Base, and he was on Patrick's show. He was on vetted. We're talking about Michael Herrera, and really just, like I said, getting behind the scenes a lot of things. And then the last thing you're going to hear as we wrap up part one is a name that I was not familiar with, and Patrick was a little bit hesitant to talk about, but I'm glad he did. and that was the name of Tim Taylor.

No, not from Home Improvement, not Tim Allen's character there from the 90s show Home Improvement. I know if you grew up in the 90s like I did, that's the first thing you think of is Tim the Toolman Taylor. But Tim Taylor is a name that is behind the scenes, a name that not a lot of people are talking about

within the UFO, UAP community, and it's a guy that you're going to hear about in this part one episode with myself and Patrick. So that's enough preface. I just wanted to kind of set the table there, what you're going to hear in part one. That's all I have to say, not to give anything else away, but just to get you ready for part one of this conversation. I hope you enjoy it. I know myself and Patrick both did. Love talking to each other here. Really cool back and forth. So

without any further ado, it's part one of my conversation with Patrick from Vetted right here on UAP. Enjoy. Happy to have the one and only Patrick from Vetted. This time jumping on to UAP. I've been on his show a couple of times and he's kind enough to jump into the UAP verse here. So Patrick, thanks for coming on. So, Steve. So glad to be here, ma'am. Really happy to have you. I think sometimes in the UFO, UAP world, I'm not pointing any fingers here by any means,

but it just sometimes you kind of get people who have some egos, right? And they like, again, not pointing fingers at all, but that's just the way it is. And that's that's in any walk of life. But, you know, and sometimes they'd like to do their own thing. They don't want to mix and match at all. But I just felt like when I was on your show the past couple of times, it was really cool synergy. You know, we're like-minded with a lot of this stuff.

And I'm glad that neither of us take each other too seriously to where we don't mind jumping on each other's shows. So it's, you know, a lot of good conversation I think is ahead here today. I appreciate it. Oh, yeah, man, for sure. You know, and to be fair, look, we all have a little bit of ego, right? You know what I mean? It's just it's a spectrum for everybody.

But yeah, dude, absolutely. I'm all about building bridges and having friends. And I just generally get along with people in my real life. So like, why wouldn't it transition to this new field that I'm in? And I love talking to people like yourself who are excited, energetic, they care, can joke around but still get serious. Like, I'm for all of that. Yeah, no, exactly. 100% with you.

So we'll jump in here. I have a whole piece of paper here. That it has to print down. Look at that. That looks like the Zodiac Killer's Code there, bro. What you got going, Doc? I saw that in the Shining, bro. Oh, my goodness.

It's a lot of chicken scratch on here. I can't deny that. The Zodiac Killer's Code. Only, you know what, much like the Zodiac Killer, only I can read this. I love it. Perfect. It's genius, actually. Oh, it's good stuff.

So an auspicious beginning there. Actually, speaking at beginning, I always feel like the best place to start is at the beginning. So I want to ask you, you know, a lot of people kind of wonder, because we kind of just jump on and we talk about this stuff, right? We do interviews. We cover the subjects. But we don't really get into, you know, why did we start doing this to begin with? So I want to ask you that, what is your background with all this? Like what kind of led you to take the leap and say, I need to get on YouTube, start my own channel and start talking about this stuff?

Yeah. Honestly, it's such a like simple question. I ask it myself, but it is it's like necessary to ask, right? Because I feel it is important. The origin story, right, of how we all break into this because I think it then affects the road we go down, right? How we start with it. especially in the beginning. So for me, you know, specifically vetted in the podcast.

I started with my other podcast, Lone Star Plate, kind of, you know, been interviewing celebrities for years. I think we started 2020, well, 2019. And then just one summer a couple years ago, it was like, I want to cover something else. I've been seeing all these UFO documentaries and, you know, because the New York Times article really like brought it out into the open for me in a different way that I had but I sort of followed it from a distance and then yeah I was I got James Fox on the podcast dude you know I went out to area 51 I interviewed a UFO researcher named UFO Jane and I just from Texas here and again I didn't know anything

I just I reached out to Nick Pope who I'd seen on TV he suggested this person I interviewed her. I go to Area 51 and then I, you know, but I went as like a goofball, really, I didn't know really what I was doing. And then I interviewed James Fox for a moment of contact. Yeah, I changed everything because, you know, I did it just like any other interview I would get where I get the film ahead of time, you know, it's set up and do the PR firm and blah, blah, blah, and it's just typical for me. And I watched the film and I was like, oh, and I had seen the phenomenon, you know, that other James Fox film, but that's all I had really seen. And then I saw a moment of contact and I was like, holy cow, like, first of all, so well made, but I was so affected by it.

There's a specific moment where this guy who's coming back to sort of the scene of the crime, if you will, right, the scene of this incident in Barquina, Brazil. And he gets emotion, super emotional, right? Like in this moment and I'll never forget that. And then hearing James talk about that and just what he went through. And after that, it was like, you know what? You know, the production company that I work with that produced the other podcast, Lone Star Plate, we were like, this podcast really isn't working. Let's do something else.

And I was like, I got it. Let's do UFOs. Let's, I want to do that. If we can't, what do you think? So we kind of research, looks at some number, looked at some things. Could this be feasible? What's going on? Um, and we just started it came up with the name, started it and, and just jumped in, you know, and I will say my journey has been, you know, a lot in a year. Yeah. To be honest with you, you know, because initially, I've never had a personal experience, but I've been open to UFOs, my whole life. All my friends know that I've loved sci-fi and X-Files and I've just been into it. You know, I just always liked it, always interested, fascinated by the unknown.

Um, so this was an opportunity to dig in in a way that I had never done, right, about this topic. And, um, yeah, I love, I'm actually more open minded now than even when I started, which I think a lot of people who watch my show may be surprised to hear that. They may be thinking, oh, you know, because I got labeled a skeptic pretty early on and still probably do. But the truth is is, I wake up every day differently. I'm just honest about it. You know, some days I'm more skeptical. other days I'm more open and other days, whatever, right? In between, that's just how it is. No, it's really cool, man.

And it's interesting to hear that, you know, it was kind of, well, shout out to Nick Pope because he's a great guy. I know you and I both get along with him well. He's been on your show. He's been on my show. He's a great guy. Always super helpful, always willing to come on. So shout out for sure to him.

But it's cool to hear how kind of that evolution, right? You just, you dipped your toe on the wall. and kind of like it happens sometimes, people end up falling down the rabbit hole when it comes to the subject and all of a sudden you find yourself very, very deep. But you made it really constructive in a way where you got that interview with James Fox. And it was really, I guess, the of Virginia Brazil case that kind of stamped it for you, right? I mean, because that one for me, too, is really incredible.

There's so many details to that and still some answered questions when it comes to that. What are some of your biggest takeaways now looking back on that case? Because that's one that's always fascinating me as well. Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, because initially I took that case through the film. I'd never heard of it. And then after vetted, I was able to dig in a little bit more here and there about things about that case. And yeah, it's fascinating, right?

You've got, you've just got a lot of different elements that make it very sort of exciting and compelling. You've got the government involvement of Brazil, but also the American government involvement, potentially with a plane coming to pick up these beings, right? And if anybody doesn't know, it's basically like, as far as I remember, UFO, potentially two of them crashing this UFO crash. And supposedly a couple of beings got out, sort of went through the town. One, you know, was found by these young girls who later came out in James' documentary that they found this little. creature sort of huddled in this little like abandoned part of town. They drew a picture, got the red eyes. And then also these military, Brazilian military personnel who came upon one in a car,

stopped, it ran across. They got the being, put them in a car, took them somewhere to be, you know, medically like observed and I don't know, looked at. And one of those guys that touched the being, he passed away. the other guy comes forward in James's documentary. And supposedly there's this video. That's the crux to this case still. Is that there's this video that he mentions at the end of moment of contact.

And he's supposed to be doing another one. That's what he had told me. At that time, he was going back to Brazil to film more and still come out with that. But there's this video supposedly, you know, that's still yet to come out. I believe it's of the beings, like being like in a medical sort of facility of some sort if I remember correctly. Yeah. Which is like exciting.

I want to say. Some of the things you're doing right now, though. How about for, I mean, I apologize. I should have started off with. Happy anniversary. It's a big deal. One year anniversary for vetted. And like you kind of alluded to, it's been an incredible year.

I mean, my gosh, what a, what a run for one year. The progress that you've been able to make. I think over 30,000 subscribers on YouTube. I think you gained it number right. And just the amount of recognition and appreciation that you've been able to garner from the UAP community has been incredible. But I think that's a testament to the job that you do because it's sincere and you do good work. So, you know, eventually that kind of does come around. And well, here you are a year later.

Yeah. Yeah. No, man, I appreciate that. That's very kind. And, you know, at the end of the day, the community involvement is really what I owe it to, right? The people that watch the show, support the show. They show up every day, too, man. They don't miss a day like me.

Yeah. They're there. Every day. I swear to God, it's crazy. All the time, they support. So that makes me like, yeah, I got to be there. I can't. I can't not be there.

These people are going to be there. I got to be there. And it fuels me. Like, we fuel each other, right? the audience and and that keeps me going back and and look it hasn't been easy okay the like you you yourself have probably experienced um especially when you're really small it's easy to get dumped on and criticize and whatever and it makes people quite eventually a lot of people that's why i just tell people just don't give up just stay with it i promise you you will the smoke will clear and you will

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When you do look back on it, Patrick, what surprises you, kind of when you do some reflecting, right, when you have some Patrick time to reflect on some things, that's what we'll call it, some Patrick time. I love it. When you sit back and reflect and you say, man, what an incredible year this has been. What's the thing that has really surprised you, I guess, is the word the most when you say, I did not see this moment happening or this interview or coming across something that I thought was fake and now I think is true. Like what's the thing that stands out to you that has been the biggest shock over the past year?

Yeah, that's a good question actually. I try. You know, I questions I have to like think about. Those are good questions, right? Like, you know, I just want to fire off with an answer. That's a really good question. And there's, you know, one of my famous catchphrases will be this. If I'm being honest here, people apparently think I say that all the time.

But if I'm being honest here, like, there's quite a few. Man, the Ron, I'm just off the top of my bat, like the Ron James picture that he showed. Even your stuff that we did, you know, with the Scott Rotor and the Las Vegas. That was really cool. I remember like you know what oh all right I got something here

you just something fired in the brain and now you just remember it now you know what I can take a look at a couple of things here are those newspapers yeah you remember this newspaper it says CH exclusive interview with UFO whistleblower Dave Grush okay okay remember this and this came out I found it I'm the one that brought it out I went to my local record store, boom, brought it, scanned it, put it out. I was like, hey, look what I found.

And the guy that wrote the article, Walter Kern, reached out to me. Like, he was really cool, like, people from the paper. I bought more copies. I remember that moment of vetted, like, pretty early on because I remember, like, it was the first time, like, my name got out there a little bit. But then I also realized, oh, I screwed up. I didn't. People weren't crediting me.

And I was like, Oh, no, this isn't good. Like, how do I? So I learned to better set my stuff up if it's going to be shared. Right. That my stuff's in there. Because I'm not going to go around and be like, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which ended up happening to me recently.

I'm sure we'll get into that later. But you know what I mean? Like, hey, you're using my stuff. You know, it was, that was a pretty cool moment. And it honestly, I gained a lot of respect for Dave Grush. Dave Grush has really at the end of the day been the biggest joy and surprise. and everything for me all year is Dave Grush. And I'm still focused on him.

And he's one of my favorite people in this topic. I don't know any of these people, so I don't have any real opinions on them. But, you know, what he testified to, it was just so monumental and how lucky I was to launch the channel right at that time. But I would say kind of what he, the path he led me down was surprising. And I was open to things that I had dismissed, you know, was stuff he uncovered or people he talked about or,

ideas and stuff that I initially blew off. I don't think I knew this before. So you hold up the newspaper there talking about this exclusive interview with whistleblower David Grush. What's the date on that? This is September, October, 2023. So right after he testified, the paper came out. Gotcha.

Okay. And so when that came out, you find that and you basically break the news of that interview. Correct. I did not know this. Yeah. I feel like you should have known this. Well, I was so early. Like I was, dude, I had like 200 subscribers on YouTube, like, you know, two followers on

Twitter. Like, because I don't follow, follow anybody on Twitter. It took a long time to like build up enough followers where that doesn't affect me and people follow me. Right. You know what I mean? Like it did. But at first it was like, who is this guy, you know, so me tweeting about it or me sharing

it and trying to put it on Reddit and Reddit hated me. They still hate me to this day. It just was hard to get out. But people did find it and start to spread it in Green Street and John Greenwald and UFO Joe. I mean, everyone on both sides, right, like every both side, right, whatever the UAP topic, you know, skeptic, but everyone was just sharing it. And it kind of spread and it would, you know, because everyone was looking for new interviews with him. He wasn't doing very many. And it was print only.

You could only get it in the newspaper. You couldn't find it online. You couldn't nothing. How about that? It was pretty cool. I thought, well, first of all, it's just cool for David Grush to do that interview. And I thought, and just the newspaper is cool. It's the only one in America like this.

Old school, baby. Yeah, I mean, you heard my reaction when you held up a newspaper and I said, is this from 1985? What is it? That's really cool. That's Reagan wins. Let me get past that. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. That's awesome. Well, actually, kind of on that note, though, I wanted to get to some of the things that you have been working on lately.

You mentioned some of the controversy with, you know, attributions, which we'll get to later on because recently, it was kind of a wild week through, so we'll get to that later on as well. But some of the things

that have been going on lately on vetted. I think this one actually just dropped, Like very recently, Lou Elizondo's bodyguard? Am I, was I reading that right? What is going on with Louis-Lazzo's bodyguard? Well, I don't know if it's his bodyguard, but a former celebrity bodyguard, I guess I'm the first all to find it and put it out. I'm pretty sure I am.

I hadn't heard anything about this. Yeah, nobody has. Nobody's talking about it. And it was on this podcast called No Jumper, which covers like, you know, it's hip-hop, basically. And the celebrity bodyguard goes on. There's also a hip-hop artist. And you just, near the end of the interview, he just randomly is like, hey, guys, after they're smoking weed and drink it, he's just like, I'm going to tell you all something that I haven't said before, but it's coming out in my new show. He's got this new show coming out.

He says that he got approached in 2012 by some Pentagon insider. He showed him his ID and needed to be protected for five days for like 50 grand. So he could testify before Congress. about and then he showed him some stuff pictures for the moon that showed certain things XYZ you know whatever information um and then later on he sort of brings up this is what's interesting he then asked the host of the show like have you ever heard of louisa elizando and then you need to find out you know it's this guy and he's got a new book and this and that so i don't know if they're connected or if he just had that situation and then here's the book and louisellez and then's

like oh i'm interested in this i don't know i i don't know i i I don't know. Like, it's just fascinating, but the story that Bodyguard told is, is fascinating. Wow. A new little wrinkle in the Lou Elizando story. Yeah. There was something in that, actually. Well, there's a lot of things in the book, Eminent Lou Elizondo's book, which is, I believe, number one on the New York Times best seller list, right? Which is also, you know, a testament to how many people are interested in this topic these days, right? So, I mean, to have a book really covering government's secrets around the UFO topic. And that goes number one.

That's a pretty big deal. And you got guys like this bringing it up. He was telling the people on the show, hey, man, you got to read this book. You got to look, you got to go look at this guy. And you know what I mean? Like it's, it's breaking through the walls of uvology and out into quote unquote, you know, normal world, if you will. You know, and that's one thing, too, if I could just pontificate for a second, and I'll get your opinion on this. And use more big words like that, Stephen.

I like that. That impresses. Yeah. What you don't know is that underneath this chicken scratch of the paper, I also have a discourse of all these different synonyms and everything. It's pretty wild. That's kidding. But I do find it, because a lot of people have a lot of different opinions about Louella zano, and everybody has an opinion about something or everything. So that's nothing new.

But you have people who, you know, say different things about him. Basically, he's just, basically he's a grifter, right? And in short, people call him a grifter for all different reasons. And he's just stealing ideas and stealing information and making things up and all that type of stuff to try to make money. But think about whatever you want about Lou Elizando. One thing that is true is that he is getting this subject out there more in the mainstream. dream. And that happened when he had his show with Christopher Mellon. That's kind of when they came onto the scene together a little bit, right? They kind of came onto the national scene. I

believe it was on the history channel or Discovery Channel. And it only ran for a season or two. And that's where people and Tom DeLong was on the show. So it's like it's when all this stuff was really starting to come out from the shadows like in the early 2020s, 2019 area. So again, say what you want about. I mean, this is just. my opinion, I'll get your take on it. He is bringing a lot of this to the forefront, along with a lot of other people too, right? I'm not trying to take away anything from

anybody else with whistleblowers and stuff, but he's the guy with the number one book on, you know, New York Times sellers list. So it's a big deal that this is at least getting out into mainstream coverage more. Yeah, no, you make great points. I

agree. I mean, honestly, with all of that, yeah, he's absolutely getting the word out more people are talking about it i mean like i don't see what's wrong with that um you know the whole grifter like dude i've been called a grifter like everyone gets called a grifter like i just that to me is long gone right like either buy the book or you don't like it's it's you know you want to support him like it's you know of course he's not a grifter none of us are they aren't it's just part of this process and people are allowed to do what they want and I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing.

And it does get the word out. You know, you have, with a lot of movements or industries, you have people that help that, right, get the word out. Famously, like, I know he's not well liked in the community very much, but Neil deGrasse Tyson, he is someone that has communicated science to millions of people, tens of millions worldwide, if not more, and got them interested in science, got them to, look in and this, that, and the other. And you may not think of him as the greatest scientist or this,

that or the other. But the value that they bring is almost immeasurable. Like, it's unquantifiable. There's no question that Luis Alessando's, you know, his book and probably a lot that he has coming up now, because I think that's what was holding them back right from coming out more. Absolutely. It gets, same with Jamie Corbell, like these people that get out and talk about. Of course it helps. It gets it out there. And I think the better it gets out into places like no jumper or. Jeremy's really good about that, getting on other shows, spreading the word to places where maybe they're not talking about it or interested, but don't really know who to talk to it. Like he does, he gets it out of the bubble. Yeah.

Of the bubble. And if you want more people to come into this topic, you need people like Luis Salisando, Jeremy Corbel, these people that get it out, George Knapp, all these people that get this information out to people. And the bubble will grow. Yeah. And we can all talk about it. Like it's that simple. And that's the goal, right? And I think it's really well said.

So that's that really is the goal. That's all we want is to people to discuss this more. And that's really what leads to disclosure. Because if you stay in the shadows and talk about it in the shadows, then the guys at the top are just going to be like, I let them have their fun over there in the corner. But the more it's talked about, the more it's noticed. And then people start to get answers. And that's with anything. So I, yeah, I'm with you.

And shout out to George Knapp, by the way, man. You talk about it. The OG. I love George. I want a studio like his. I think I will do that. The next vetted studio will probably be something similar to what George Knapp has with all the cardboard boxes behind and files and just like it just looks like the secrets

of the universe are back there behind him hidden. And I love it. And I just, I love his attitude about it all. Yeah, he's OG man. He's one of the greats for sure. And I believe all those files really are his.

I think those are all actually. Yeah. They're like real. It's like real. He's like the real. Fox Mulder, you know, or journalists like digging in, you know, I'm all for it, man. Yeah, he's, he's great. Well, another thing you talked about recently that has actually gained a lot of attention from the UFO community as a whole is the UFO timeline.

This new is, is it a site? Is it a program? Shout out to the guys who put it out. I think they go by a UFO timeline on Twitter so you can follow them. Who's behind this? And what is it exactly? Like, how can people use it? It's made by a guy named Tupacabra.

It's a great resource. It's a great idea that allows you to just look at UFO events and get details on it. Through a timeline, categorize and filter, you know, types of UFOs, right? If you're like, okay, I want to look up like, you know, flying disc style UFOs from the 50. let me see what's, or from this date to this day or whatever. You know what I mean? Like it's got all these ways to find information and like bring it together and it's on a timeline.

It's great. It's really great. Like it's a really great resource. It really is. I mean, for anybody, you know, like us who's entrenched in it or anybody who's just kind of maybe starting to get into the topic and they want to know more. That's awesome. I mean, you can just go on there, look anything up.

It comes up with all this information about different sightings or crashes or stores. That's awesome. You know, the shapes of the crafts, right? Like, again, you can filter and through geographically, right? Like, it's, I mean, honestly, it's a great tool. Yeah. And that was, was it a website, though? Was it like UFO timeline.com or was this a, yeah.

Yeah, it's exactly a website. I don't know the exact if it's dot com. I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure, to be honest with you. Okay. No, that's fair. Maybe I should, I suppose I should be reaching out to Tupacabra all this. me to put you on this. No, no, it's fine. He sent me, he gave me access to, like, go in and kind of mess with it. I'm not sure if it's, like, publicly available yet or it's close to or,

you know, I think there's still a beta version happening. And then he's going to go full blast because he's trying to work out, you know, all the kinks and stuff. But definitely he's got the, you know, the Twitter, the UFO timeline. Go follow him there. And then you can stay up with the resources. And yeah, and it's going to be a free tool to use. Awesome. You know, which is cool. Yeah, that's a great service. And then one other thing that you actually were just talking about on your show recently that I wanted to kind of dive into was this mystery scientist. I believe it was with Gary Nolan. He says a mystery scientist, he talks about it, who had a UFO encounter.

What was happening there? Yeah, that was really cool to hear. I hadn't heard this story. Gary Nolan went on another podcast. You know, he did a podcast interview recently. And he spoke about this. a scientist who was where was he worked for the national laboratory

something something he's out in the woods somewhere in the mountains and you know comes across some huge light you know that's that he can't like explain and he gets a convinces a pilot to fly him around and look for a clearing because he's saying oh with that kind of energy it would have left a mark or something and he they find

something and they you know go to the site and supposedly Gary Nolan is potentially going to be getting some of the samples of some of the surrounding tree bark that was supposedly affected by this um in count you know event or encounter and I thought that was really cool right physical evidence something to study and look at and um and that the the scientists had done the math sort of just sort of explain like what he saw was like crazy. It was like this sort of like nuclear, you know, equivalent of like some sort of, you know, nuclear energy or something, right? Like it was just like massive. Like it just couldn't believe it. Yeah, that was fast. It was just fascinating. I was like, whoa. Okay. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Rendellson Forrest a little bit.

Yeah, 100%. It is little those details. Yeah, especially the, The aftermath, right, that they went and found right. Yeah, absolutely. And I just want to know who this scientist is. I don't know. Man, the amount of stories that some of these guys hold must be staggering. You know what I mean? Absolutely.

Whoever it might be, some of these guys, it's just, it really is amazing to think about some of the stuff that they still hold inside and can't talk about. Louelizondo just told a great story on, um, uh, theory. of everything interview that I watched last night. He told about this CIA, ex-CIA, you know, operative who had an experience

and apparently had like a hole in the back of his neck after this or something. And then his wife sneezed out some sort of implant or something great. I was like, what the? He brought it up at the end. It was out of nowhere. I was like, whoa,

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i can tell him this story and you know there's some of that right um so yeah they they just endless stories, dude. George Knapp, can you imagine the stories that guy is? Oh, my goodness. Right. I think what is actually on that note, what are some of the crazier stories that you've heard that you've decided not to put out onto the podcast because you just thought, you know what? I just, I can't back this up. I haven't been able to vet it, right? So it's, it was a little bit maybe more unvetted than some of the other things you've covered, but it was kind of stuck in your head, but you made a judgment call and said, I can't put this one out there. You know, that's an interesting question, dude, to be honest, because, you know, in the

beginning, I was hesitant to the way I covered things was way different. And as I grew the channel, I decided that public vetting was the best option, meaning I'm just going to let people vet themselves and let people decide for themselves at the end of day. Sure. You know what I mean? Like let people critically think and and just decide for themselves. It's their life. Let them believe what they want. Is not hurting anybody? So just let them believe about this encounter or person or whatever, whatever they want. So I don't really hold back on too many things. Now, okay, here's an example of something I recently put, you know, was like, no, there's no way I'm putting this on the channel. And people were tagging me like crazy on Twitter.

It's this guy that he, this guy on Twitter who came out recently who literally his handle is whistleblower. And he's incarcerated and he's talking through his girlfriend who's posting for him and he's coming out with all these stories. And supposedly Rick Doty is backing him up. And I just thought the stuff he's saying, he's basically connecting himself to everything. Anything that comes up. He's like, yep, no about that. Oh, Roswell, you want to know the truth? I know that.

Oh, Moon. You want to know about the moon? It's like, dude, you know everything. I mean, come on now. Yeah, everything. Like, I just thought, I'm not covering this guy. I'm not even going to put them on to let people decide at that point. You know, there's no way.

Actually, no, that's a perfect segue, though, because the question I had down was, how do you? Because you and I, we both come across a lot of information. We have people reach out to us and things like that, which I know I always appreciate, and I'm sure you do as well. but we do have to do a process where it's like, you know, where do I go with this, right? So how do you decide between someone like that and someone, you know, a whistleblower, a real, a real whistleblower and a would-be whistleblower or someone who's pretending, someone's just trying to get that attention and they don't care if they're lying or telling the truth. They just kind of want to put their name out there. How do you decide between that and someone like a Bill Carter,

who you had on your show within the past couple weeks, a new whistleblower out of Pensacola, I believe. And you can correct me if we're wrong, but I believe that's where it was out of Eglin. So what is that process like for you? Yeah, I mean, look, if people are kind of already talking about this person or I've heard rumblings before, I'm going to cover it, right? If they're connected to sort of people in the community,

Bill Carter is a great example. You know, he went on News Nation. or yeah, News Nation with Ross Colthart did an interview, right? There's whatever. You can go check out the interview that I did with them. He explains it more. But there was something there. And then I spoke with him and, you know, he sent me all of these things, right,

that helped validate, okay, his service and this and that. And again, at the end of the day, if I can, you know, some of that. And I can't prove, you're like, it's not proven to be false. It's just sort of neutral. Yeah, just put them on. Let's let him talk. Look, I know, you know, people are probably going to comment right now what I'm going to say. But like, for me, Michael Herrera is a good example.

I was open, put him on. Happy to have his story on. But the more I dug into the story and the more stuff happened behind the scenes, I realized this guy's not telling the truth. And, like, in my opinion, I felt like he knew that. And that bothered me. I just didn't want to show his stuff anymore. And I had the only interview of Michael Herrera's team leader, Nathan.

Right. And I ended up talking with this other guy, Joey is not my name. And I just, I'm just being honest, just my personal gut feeling. I was feeling deception, manipulation. Behind the scenes, that's what worried me. Because one thing is we're doing an interview and people put on a show. Okay. But now we're now we're just talking.

Right. Now it's like we're behind the scenes talking and you're doing things. Like it's, I don't, I just said, you know what? We got different styles. I don't know what this is. I don't know. I think I covered enough. So I just move on from that.

But look, it's a minefield out here. Yeah. And at the end of the day, I could be wrong about Michael Herrera. I'm willing to admit that. I don't know. you know, but I felt like I gave it enough coverage. And, you know, at the end of the day, I do want people to decide for themselves. And it's more just like all the personal stories you get from people and photos and, you know,

sure. Look, I was in the drive-through at KFC, man, and I took this picture. And I'm like, oh, okay. But at the same time, why are those any less valid? Sure. You know, some of these stories. And, I mean, I got them coming in out there. the wazoo email discord twitter comments you know any way people can get a hold of me so i don't know

maybe i need to be more open about getting some of this stuff out and just let people sort of decide for themselves i i filter people through our discord server so i may not cover it on my channel but hey go to our discord and share the story and hundreds of people will see it there right our discord is grown we're almost at a thousand members, but it's a strong discord. Like, it's active all the time with a lot of people. And I like that. And so people can go share it that way. And that's all across, you know what I mean? There's no, you have a story, go share. Right. There's no question. You tell, say whatever you want. Here are the pictures you want, the videos you want, whatever it. However minuscule you think the evidence is or it's just, you know, whatever, quote unquote,

crazy the story is go share who cares right just let let people decided there but yeah what goes on the channel i mean look i only one video day sounds like a lot but at the end of the day it's not there's a lot of stuff happening and i have to make choices editorially and sometimes it just comes down to what i think will get more i'd say it we'll get more views we'll get more likes this will spread more i kind of have to balance it out because i have to grow the channel get eyeballs but also want to put out good stuff. Yeah. Not trying to trick people either, but I also have to grow it.

So I have to do a few things. Look, it's like in fine dining. Okay, then I'll end here. But it's like when I worked in fine dining, right? I remember this chef one time. I was the manager of this restaurant, super, you know, super fine dining. And our lunches, whatever, kind of not suffering, but people start asking for burgers. okay this is like a Mediterranean restaurant tweezer food you know yeah whatever and the chef's like

burger i'm not making a damn burger right having a burger on the menu okay we serve this and so many people started asking for it again just for lunch we're not saying for dinner but just for lunch so eventually we just had to put on a regular old-fashioned burger cheese burger dude that's nothing you know what I mean like but because it just what it called for right you needed that balance it just just what the customers were wanting, and it helps to keep the restaurant afloat. So you can do the other things you do like to do. So, you know, and like yourself, people like yourself, we also have to consider that. If nobody listens to the show, we can't continue to do the show.

So sometimes it's just that balance. And, you know, some videos are just for the fun. Yeah. You know, there's nothing crazy about it or anything. Yeah, no. And I totally get that. And I completely relate to it. And it's interesting what you say to about, you know, Michael Herrera.

That was a name. I know you and I have a lot of experience with, you know, I've, I've known him for a couple of years now, I think it's been that long. Wow. And there's a lot that's said about Michael Herrera, right? Everybody has their opinion about him. You have an opinion. I have a personal opinion just based on conversations that I've had. So it's, but it's interesting to kind of, you know, make that comparison to show it's not easy.

It's not. You know, it's, it's not easy to kind of sift through. things but I'm with you in that you know what let's put it out there and see what people think if you don't believe it that's all good if you do believe it well then there's something there you know and so i i completely relate to that yeah absolutely i don't like my personal opinion getting too involved with it you know right if i'm being honest like to you know to an extent that's that shouldn't be my job my job is to sort of report i'm not journalist either you know i am a YouTuber i like to say right like so content creator um so yeah put it out there let let people decide and i and like i said

i put out herrera story i put it out i show both sides i try to get her era on and show both sides so i did my part i did what i did be fair and objective uh thing in my opinion yeah you definitely definitely put all out there so you know definitely commend you on that for sure. Yeah. What is it's not because again, it's not easy man. It really is. It's not. No, it's not. I'm curious to get your take on this. Who is the most in European? Because we mentioned a lot of names here so far today. And it's intentional because there's a lot going on, right? There's a lot of figures now in this field and a lot of stories that surround them. But out of all the names that we've mentioned, those are the ones that we can say on the top of our heads, right?

that anybody who's in the community will know off the top of their heads. Who do you think is the most important figure right now that no one talks about? Who's kind of behind the scenes, do you think? Oh, no, you put me on the spot, bro. I got names, okay? I got names. Let's do it. Let's put the names down.

Okay. All right. All right. One name is definitely someone. Look, I've spoken about them on my channel. Okay. A lot of people haven't. Jesse Michaels has.

That definitely gave me a lot more weight to like, okay, let me talk about this guy a little bit. And his name is Tim Taylor. Okay. Okay. I feel he is one of the most important people in euphology that is not talked about openly. But he's sort of connected to so many things. I'm so fascinated by that guy. I feel like he has so much information.

I would love to hear from that guy. Like an interview with that guy would just be sick, dude. Like what he knows, what he's been through. through, but yeah, he's fascinating. He's, he's the guy that's mentioned in Chris Bledso's book, okay? And Diana Posulco refers to him in her book as Tyler D. But it came out later, that's Tim Taylor. And that's meant to be a fight club reference on purpose.

Oh, got you. That's what she said. That's what she said. And, yeah, just find him fascinating the way he's connected to, everybody dude just everybody and that's where we end to part one much more to come about tim taylor and so much more in part two that we get into we also get into the recent controversy that patrick found himself in um which was probably blowing out of proportion but we get the behind the scenes kind of scoop on that from patrick in part two we talk about some of the upcoming

rumors with the month of october with more possible senate or congratulations congressional hearings for, you know, UAP hearings, and so much more in part two. Man, we covered a lot of bases here. So I'm looking forward to you listening to part two when that comes out in a few days. Stay up to date on social media from when that is going to come out. I am shooting for Tuesday, so that's the goal there. So hopefully by Tuesday you'll be able to hear the conclusion of this conversation with myself and Patrick in episode 83 of UAP, which will be part two.

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