UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 83 Patrick from Vetted part 2 - Portal Jumping, Controversies, and Alien Witnesses

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Stephen concludes this captivating conversation with Patrick from the hit show "Vetted" as they discuss a man who claims to be a portal jumping space soldier, a recent controversy surrounding the show, and who they think should take the stand for a second round of Congressional hearings. You'll hear all that and much more...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm always thankful when I get to do one of these because things are very, very busy. And it's sometimes hard to jump on here and do what is really interesting to me. And I wish I could do more of these. I wish I could do one every day. but I'm just happy when I get to do one with you and for you. And I'm also thankful for Patrick from Vetted because this is part two of our conversation together. It was such a great conversation. I really so enjoyed speaking with him when we spoke for like over an hour and a half.

And it was just a lot of fun. Him and I jive really well. And I'm not shy about saying that we do. We get along really well. He's a really great guy. And he's knowledgeable. And that's what I like about talking to. him is he's straightforward, he's sincere, and I think that's why you enjoy him as well, whether

it's on his own show, on his vetted podcast, on YouTube and everything, or when I have him on as a guest, I'm happy to have part two here where we continue our conversation. And we're going to jump right back into it, actually, where we left off, which was we started talking about the little known Tim Taylor. And again, that is not Tim Taylor from home, from home improvement, the old Tim Allen character. and yes, I'm dating myself because I watched that show in the 90s and I enjoyed it. So don't make fun of me. It was a great show.

But it's Tim Taylor who is in kind of the UAP, UFO discussion. And we really get into some really intriguing things that I have written down notes for myself to go and look up some more. Like, I want to do more digging on Tim Taylor. Patrick kind of got me hooked on this character who is out there right now. We start to kind of get into things that are mentioned alongside of Tim Taylor, like jump rooms. We're talking like, you know, actual like Stargate things that he might have been involved with and direct mind downloads. Really intriguing. You'll hear Patrick get into that as we begin part two.

We're also going to get into the discussion about possible new congressional hearings. And I've touched on that a little bit in previous episodes recently of UAP, where Timberchette said that, you know, they're looking at doing that and, you know, who's going to be on that committee. So we get into that discussion on who we think should be on the committees and who we think should be taking the stand. Some names that we hadn't brought up before. So I think you'll enjoy that. We talk about some of the hubbub surrounding what may or may not happen in October when it comes to disclosure. Or are we going to see some type of disclosure date in October that has been rumored by more than one person?

and some controversy that happened with Patrick recently, but all as well. It's all good now, but we get into the behind the scenes of some controversy. He went through with a fellow podcaster in this UAP, UFO space, and we kind of get the behind the scenes on that, but all as well. We talk about MH370 a little bit as part of a name association game

that we get into at the end of this episode. A lot of great names that we're throwing out there that I really enjoyed. I think Patrick enjoyed too kind of giving his thoughts when I gave a name and he kind of gave those thoughts on, you know, what popped into his head when he heard that, hence name association. I don't have to explain name association to you, but again, really cool conversation, really fun. Love talking to Patrick. And I think you're going to enjoy this as well. So here is part two, our conclusion of our conversation together here on UAP.

It's myself and Patrick from Vetted. Enjoy. Are we kind of looking at a puppet master type of guy here with Tim Taylor? do you think? Or, I mean, what? Like, not nefarious. Nothing nefarious. I think just someone who's in the know.

Someone we would all love to hear with. Yeah, someone we would all love to hear with. We'd probably be fascinated with his work. Jesse Michaels revealed on his video that he mentioned him about Townsend Brown that, um, I believe it's Ryan Bledsoe. It's one of Chris Bledso's sons tweeted out that Tim Taylor told him that he was in a secret space program and that they had time travel.

Like this is what Jesse Michaels puts at the end of his video. You know, I'm just like, dude, Tim Taylor. Like the more I find out about him, it's just, they got these jump rooms. Grant Cameron told me about these jump rooms with Tim Taylor. And a jump room is supposedly this like, like Stargate. Yeah. Okay. And it's a portal room where you can portal literally jump right to somewhere else.

I recently had Science Bob McGuire on. You spoke about that. those jump rooms like what that meant and he also ran into tim taylor at this seu conference he spoke a little bit about that and how that was interesting and just yeah tim taylor man that's really good stuff i mean that's and i know that um we've heard other people even recently talk about things like that you know as far as jump rooms and intergalactic travel and into galactic soldier and things like that that. Those are the types of things that sound unbelievable, but you also kind of have to pause and be like,

maybe, you know? I mean, it sounds badass. Let's be real. It sounds a badass. It sounds a badass. Intergalactic like soldier. What the? That's like, yeah, that sounds like Kurt Russell. What was that movie? I think it was called Soldier. I think so, yeah. Right. No, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, at the end of the day, I don't know, you know, maybe. Yeah, it sounds interesting for sure. Where did Tim Taylor come from? Like, how did his, how did the escapades of Tim Taylor come about? Do we know? It's cloudy. Okay, I've looked into it. Trust me. I've done a deep dive on Tim Taylor. I have a two-parter with Grant with an interview I did with Grant that people should check out. It's got a lot of information about him. I don't know when he makes his first appearance, you know. To be honest, it's it's tough to tell dude like because he gets connected with Chris Bloodsoe and Diana Posulka and Gary Nolan and countless others around the 2000 like 12, 2013 time. But he was clearly doing stuff before that too.

I don't know how far how far. You know, he's he does downloads. That's what Tim Taylor like that's a thing. He prepares for downloads. He does download. gets downloads into his mind, yes, correct, from some other entity, perhaps an intelligence of some sort. And that's talked about a lot, Science Bob McGuire talked about it on my show. Same thing, Townsend Brown, that Jesse Michael's video.

Same thing. That's what they're talking about, right? This information comes from somewhere else, and then they're able to patent it and make a, build a company. You know, Bob McGuire claims that's how he did his company, Hawkeye 360, I think. it is. And it, you know, able to launch satellites into space because of it, right? They figured out a way to do XYZ in a way that had never been done before. And Bob's like, yeah, I got it from a download. You know, and that's, I don't know. So it's just interesting. But that's Tim Taylor's sort of connection downloads. I don't know, man. It's fascinating. It's fascinating, dude. It is.

It is fascinating. No, but that's good. Hey, look, we talked about who's out there that people aren't talking about. I think that's that's a great name and something honestly that I need to look into more. So I'm, uh, I'm, I'm kind of hooked on this idea of, of Tim Taylor, which also reminds me of home improvement with Tim Allen. Absolutely. Yeah. Tim the toolman Taylor. Absolutely. Oh, no, that comes up a lot. Or Travis Taylor. And like, no, no, no, Tim Taylor. Okay. It's different. It's good stuff. All right. Well, on a different note here, Patrick, I want to kind of switch, uh, gears to something that might be coming down the pike. A couple of weeks ago, Tim Burchett mentioned on a News Nation interview that they are working

on putting together new hearings in Congress. And he mentioned that he wouldn't be chairing them, but a female colleague of his would be. There's some speculation that might be Nancy Mace because she's a higher ranking member in Congress more than Annapolina Luna. I know I personally was speculating her just because she's part of the disclosure. caucus as I kind of like to call it, but Nancy Mace makes a little bit more sense just as far as rankings and things like that in assignments in Congress.

What's your read right now on these possible second round of congressional hearings, the who, the what, the when? Do you think this happens before the election? Does this become like an election issue in the next couple months? I mean, I think we would all like that. Yeah. But I don't think so. It's just one of the most, you know,

I'll just say I'm not very political. I mean, I'm not political at all. So I'll just, it's a dynamic election, right? It's, it's, it's,

it's, it's unique. I think it's, it's just not enough, you know, room to, to even cover. I think, I think a lot of people

probably would like to include it and make an election issue and this and that, but there's just other things that are focusing on. So I think it's going to affect the hearings. I don't see the hearings happening this year, to be honest with you. Yeah,

there's just too much. I'm with you on that. where there's in the next two months, I mean, this is full steam ahead. Absolutely. Exactly, dude. Yeah, for the election. And then after that, you have the holidays. You should have done it in the summer. Yeah, exactly.

Like you did the other one. That was because you're right. We're about to get into overdraw. Like if it was busy before, it's not even, I mean, it's going to be insane the next a couple months for sure. Yeah, by far. So I'm with you on that. I think they kind of missed the boat unless they do it literally in the next like two

weeks, which I don't think that's going to happen. and if it does then you know I mean for sure didn't the other one kind of come out of nowhere like oh we're having this hearing and it's this date and right or no

now that you say it it kind of did it wasn't really announced too far ahead it was like a week before I believe Bert Shedd or Luna came out and said hey we're going to be doing this so I think there's a lot that happens behind the scenes with who they're trying to get as witnesses which actually leads me

to my next question that's a good point who do you think would be a good witness? Because I'll kind of lead the witness here. And now I'm going to praise the question. I personally don't think, and you can please disagree with me if you think I'm wrong. I don't think it's a good option to have the same three guys.

All due respect to them. They're great. Respect their service. Respect who they are and what they've done thus far. But the reason I say that is because I feel like people, the general public, right? not people like you and me or the audience who again are entrenched in this, but people who don't partake in this discussion,

they don't watch anything on YouTube, they don't listen to the podcast. The only information they get on this topic is on the 6 o'clock news. Talking about those people. And that's the vast majority of the public when it comes to this issue. So when I think about the same three guys, you know, Fraver, Graves, and Grush, those people, the 6 o'clock news people are going to see those faces and be like,

Like, weren't they on this already? Yeah. So I feel like, like this is a rerun? Yeah, right, exactly. Is this a repeat? Is this an old clip? So I feel like in that vein, it would be more beneficial to have different faces, different names, different voices. Am I off on that?

And if it is different, then who do you think it should be? No, I think you make great points, to be honest. Yeah, I agree. I don't think it should be. those three again. And I think they would probably agree with that for the reasons you just laid out, to be honest. But with that said, I think there should be a follow-up in the hearing for what they spoke about. Like, hey, where are we on David Gresh's investigation, right? Where are we on that one specifically? Kind of follow up on what was said, right? What are we doing about this that was brought up, right? But yes, we need new whistleblowers, quote-unquote, quote to testify or people with firsthand knowledge. I think that's definitely going to move the needle to the most. But it also may not be a bad idea to get just some of these people that have been out

to just lay down their testimony publicly, right? Just to have it, right, on record, i.e. Luis Elizondo, right? And he wants to testify. He does. So maybe some people like that first. And then, but yeah, eventually we're going to need people that touch the craft. worked on the, like actually those people, right? I mean, that's really what's going to make the change.

And I get it. That's the hardest, you know, car trick to pull is getting them on and convincing them to come forward and show their face and because there's no going back from that. There's a couple of guys that come to mind who kind of fit that bill, which is something I mentioned earlier, Rendlesham Forrest. Do you think John Burroughs and Jim Penningston would be a good option for that? because they've been out and been about that case for 40 years. 100%, especially John Burroughs and what he's going through.

He should testify, absolutely. And it sounds like he would want to. He touched the craft, right? He was one who touched the craft. Yeah, and he got affected. He's getting money. He had to fight to get covered by the VA for his encounter with this UFO. Right.

And it happened. He's the only person in the history of America that that's happened. literally he's the only person. And I think, bring him up, let him talk about it. If he wants, of course. I think he does. But yeah, that's a great, great story and evidence to present to the American people to show them. Oh, wait.

Our service members are getting injured from this, right? You know, and we're struggling to cover them medically because we can't just come to the fact that this is real. Right? Does that make sense? like we can't get over that. So now anyone coming to us with those issues we're going to blow off it doesn't sound like a good idea. So I mean, yeah, absolutely. He he's a great one. You know, Carl Nell, Tim Galadette, would some of these guys, Gary Nolan, right? When they come on, right, what does he study? This is what I've studied. This is what I've looked at. These are the results I

have. All of that. Absolutely. But eventually to really push it home for everybody it's it's you're going to need that person that comes out it's like it was 19 you know 87 and i put my hand on the craft for the first time and blah blah blah right or whatever the story you know um i mean that's just going to have to have to wheel out something to show something i think at some point with that thought of mind patrick jason sands kind of fits that category right i mean i know Again, this is somebody who I've spoken too many times. I think, okay, personal opinion here, I think he's a really good guy. I enjoy talking to Jason Sands.

I think he's sincere. Spoken to him for hours outside of any type of recording or show setting. Yeah. And he just, to me, he feels sincere. This is the guy who's trying to do the right thing. And I give him all the credit in the world for that. And if that's the case, if his story is true, and again, that documentary. from James Fox, you know, the program is supposed to come out soon.

And Jason Sands is heavily featured in that, right? So if his story about coming face to face with an extraterrestrial doesn't get much more hands-on than that. I mean, so could you imagine that testimony? And Jason has said, I believe publicly, but I know to me in conversations that he would testify and he wants to testify. So I think that's another name that makes sense, right? Sure. Absolutely. Put them up. Apps. I'm with you. Absolutely.

Yeah, look, I like Jason Sands too as a person. Right. I think he is a nice person and I respect him. And I've had my own personal dialogue with him behind the scenes. Nothing crazy, but when all that went down last week, he's a nice dude. I literally have nothing against him. I don't have anything against any of these guys because I don't know them personally. I don't even know Jason Sands personally. But from how I've seen him act in these Twitter spaces

and how I've seen him interact with so many people, he's respectful. He's respectful and he's genuine. So I, you know, what more do I want from there? At that point, it's just up to each person to decide, unfortunately, just what they believe of his story. That's, you know, that's it. But yeah, absolutely.

If he wants to testify and go up, I'm all for it. I can't wait to see the program, dude. Are you kidding? Dude, there was nothing I'm waiting for more than the, I know everyone was, I loved Lou's book.

Okay, I did. I really enjoyed it. I was so happy when it came out. We've all waited a long time, but they're just, you know, James Fox's documentary,

his documentaries have a special place in my heart, and I cannot wait for the program, dude. Yeah. This is a term I use, maybe too much, but I, believe it really could fit the program and the term is a game changer. Like, I feel like that really could be a game changer just in the conversation and how people view things currently.

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And normally that term is reserved for politics, right? When one of the candidates waits still a few weeks before the election to throw some dirt out, that's going to change the whole thing, right? But in this case, it applies to the UAP conversation where, according to the insiders, one of them being Anthony Williams, just on my show a few weeks ago, a couple weeks ago, these documents that say post disclosure after a certain date in October. And then a timeline leading it up to a certain date in October of this year.

And according to the insiders like Anthony Williams, a lot of those things on the timeline have happened. And it leads up to some type of disclosure. I hate to use the word events because that makes it sound like it's going to be, you know, war of the worlds. But that's not how I mean it. that that disclosure event to where then you have post disclosure. I don't know what to make of it, Patrick.

I really don't. So that's why I want to bring it to you and say, have you come across anything else that might show us what that might be? Any interviews, information that might say, hey, okay, maybe it's just this. I mean, some people have pointed to what Daniel Sheenhan has talked about, where a lot of these things have to go into the records by mid-October. Maybe it's that. I don't know.

Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up to. He came on my show and said that too. That's right. Okay. You know, Danny Shean, I mean, yeah. I mean, look, at the end of the day, we'll find out soon enough. We're not that far off. But that's mainly what I've heard. I haven't heard any sort of like October surprise,

like some sort of disclosure surprise, again, except for this thing that Danny Sheehan's talking about, which are like public records becoming public or whatever. whatever, records becoming public. I mean, it really could just be as simple as that, right? If you're talking about, and again, these are government papers that are being referred to here, right? So if you're... That's interesting, though.

Yeah. I mean, if it's something like that where, you know, it's going to go into the public record by mid-October, maybe that's just what they mean by post-disclosure in government paper terms, right? So in our world, maybe it's going to be a giant letdown and nothing happens. Yeah, man. And look, this topic is all about regulating your expectations. Yes, very much so. You know, so, yeah, absolutely. Could people be let down by X, Y, Z of this for sure? I mean, look, Matthew Pines has mentioned some things that are interesting about now, this time period now. So, and someone coming out that we're all going to know that's been in the news that you will recognize, is that October surprise? Is that the disclosure?

I don't know. That could be it. You know, maybe these things are more connected. I don't know. We'll see. And we're not trying to lead anybody on, by the way. Like, we're as curious. I am.

I am. I'm going to lead you on as much as I can. Patrick, you thrifter. I'm just counting my money over here. Y'all don't even see me off camera. All the money I'm making here. Dollar, dollar bills, y'all, just out of camera. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. Oh, this has been an awesome discussion. Thank you so much for spending so much time. If you have a few more minutes, we can keep going. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

All right. Absolutely, Stephen. Yeah, because there was a few more things here that I wanted to kind of get to. What did you crack the code yet on that paper? What's the deal? Who's the Zodiac killer, bro?

By now you should have figured it out. I think he's had enough time. My paper here with all my questions and comments and notes where it's just complete chicken strategy. I do the same thing, man. That's why I make a fun of it. Because I won't even show mine.

It looks really bad, man. I do have some really bad handwriting. But there was, you know, there's something that I've wanted to ask you about. And I went to ask it earlier. So I apologize for waiting so long. Dude this an hour into the interview. The controversy from last week. Yeah.

What happened if you don't mind talking about it? So there was, it was, it seemed like to me from an outside observer. Yeah. what I want to hear. Yes. That would be interesting. Yeah. Tell me what you thought. Yeah. Um, so just some background on it. I believe from what I know, you can fill in the, the holes in the details, but it happened between you and, uh, Digby, right? Forno, am I saying his last name right? I think so. I believe so. I mean, I apologize to Digby from getting your name wrong. Trust me, Stephen Dean or everybody called the diner. So I get it. That's a good point.

Yeah. That's a good point. So I, I sympathize with you. Yeah. Um, But it seemed like there was some type of sound or video that was being used and vetted that Digby was saying belonged to his show, which is also UAP, Unidentified Anomalous Podcast, I believe, is theirs. And that kind of really bubbled up, like, very quickly. And I believe, again, outside observer, it seemed like to me there was a lot of misunderstanding there and a lot of, you know what? a lot of he said he said maybe and like this is what happened but this is what really happened and he mean this it seemed like he just got blown out of proportion i guess is what i'm trying to say so what happened yeah i mean you're not wrong that's basically it it was that was a misunderstanding at the end of the day but you know i'll give you the run down here um yes digby um has a podcast

called man on the run and he did an interview with jason sands okay with um his uh his uh his co-hosts from the other show that you mentioned, right? But brought him on to this show, man on the run. Okay. Not just like I confused with names. And it's a new podcast. So, you know, totally understandable. It's the first I heard of it, right?

I see Jason Sands and I see he's on camera. I say, oh, that's his first on camera interview because I've been following Jason Sands. So I make a video first on camera interview. and Digby reaches out through Twitter after I put out the video saying hey you know you use too much of my clips

in your or too much of my podcast, right interview in your video can you I forget what he asked me specifically either to take it down or something right but that I could be served a copyright strike

and I was like uh dude are you joking? That's my response because he posted my DMs and I said yeah like are you is this is this a joke? I said because I've never received a message like this like I've been uploading on YouTube for five years like I've never had anyone message me like this and especially with bed it I do it all the time cover different people's podcast promote them. Hey go check it out link in the description blah blah blah. Usually people are cool with that and like it that I share it. So I'm thinking something's wrong. So I just said you know let me know if it's a joke. then I'll I'll answer and so he basically just writes the same thing and this is where this is where things you know get misunderstood I send him a voice message a voice message I come to later find out he never

gets so then he proceeds to go off that information of me not responding and issues the copyright strike right you know what I mean so um but I think if he would have heard that voice message, everything would have been copacetic. But regardless, he puts out the copyright strike. I get a second copyright strike on my channel within two days from another, you know, entity. And I'm like, oh, no, this ain't good. This ain't good at all.

I never got a copyright strike in my life. So now I got two and two days. And so I do an emergency live stream on vetted. I didn't even know how to title it or what to do or I just, I just winged it, right? I just, whatever. And it got crazy. People were, people supported.

First of all, people came out of the woodworks for vetted, dude. Out of the woodworks. If I ever had any doubt that I was supported, that doubt was washed away in seconds, to be honest with you. And yeah, that was a really good benefit of that. So anyway, the live stream ends, Digby starts posting about it on Twitter. Rightfully so. I get it. You want to respond? Totally understand. Well, this space pops up, apparently like an X-space and I get a message, hey man, you want to join this X-space?

Digby's here. Let's talk. Absolutely. I said, but I got an appointment, so I'm going to be in my car. So, you know, give me 15 minutes. I'll jump in the space. So I did. I waited, you know, when I was ready and I jumped in. And Digby came at me pretty hard and I left the space. immediately because there was just no breathing room and I said oh wow this ain't good right well so I go to another space I'm chatting digby hears it and he's like let me come in let's talk he came in and um we talked we dropped up both dropped our egos we just had an adult conversation and resolved the whole thing beautifully I have a lot of respect for digby for doing that and coming in willing to talk to me and we both put our things you know we just um

watched it. He removed the copyright strike and the videos, you know, gone. And, um, and I thought it was cool. I thought was really cool because it's a happy ending in my, in my mind. It ended on a happy note. And, um, it showed that people are going to have problems, right? That's just life. Right. How you deal with the problems that is the real character in someone, right? Because we're all going to have disagreements with people and sometimes people get heated, it's emotions, whatever. But what do you do when things settle down? Can you, can you, you know, put things aside. And that's what we did.

And it ended on a good note. And I loved that the community wanted that to happen. Because without the community, that wouldn't have happened. They got us in the same X-space and made it happen. Yeah. And they tried once. It didn't work. They tried again.

They didn't let up. And I really appreciate that from them. And honestly, I owe it all to red, red panda koala and Tupa for hosting that second space and UFO spidey. Shout out to Paul. he also made the other space and tried to get that resolve, which Jason Sands was in. And Jason Sands,

shout out to him, man. All he wanted was a resolution there. Yeah. And I love that. No, that's good. And it's always nice to see a happy ending,

you know, rather than- Totally happy. I have zero issues with Digby. I wish him all the best. I hope to collaborate with him and work together on, you know, do a podcast and,

right, do an episode and collaborate and whatever. absolutely it ended on a great note no that's good that's good to hear so we can put that to bed in case you're wondering what was going on and it kept up with it it's all good which we try we'll put the full i'll put the full story in my new tell-all book that's coming out this spring 2025 no i'm just kidding uh it's called patrick time there you're Uncovering the Zodiac Killer's Notes It's all in the notes

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Some people never stop being part of what's happening around them. They stay curious, engaged, connected to ideas and to others. That's what defines life at Villa Gardens in Pasadena. It's a community shaped by conversation, culture, and a shared sense of curiosity. So when the conversation turns to what's next, it doesn't feel like stepping away. It feels like staying exactly where you belong. Explore your options at villa gardens.org, a nonprofit life plan senior community within the Front Porch family. Well, I'll get you out of here on a couple more things here, Patrick.

I wanted to do a little bit of word association with you. Let's go, baby. I'm curious to get your thoughts on some of these names, okay? Cool. Number one, Daniel Sheehan. If you don't need to give one word, you can give a few sentences, whatever comes to your mind. Sure. Authentic.

And I love talking to Danny. And, yeah, I love talking to Danny. He's authentic and genuine. And if you can get that faucet open, you get a lot of stuff going. And he's just cool. Yeah. Cool dude. And I really like Danny.

Jason Sands. We've said his name a lot here today, but in this case. Respectful, courteous, a true gentleman. I've seen him. in many interactions actually being sort of attack and the way he handled everything. Yeah. I would say true gentleman and just very respectful and courteous and, you know, whatever about the fantastical things he's telling you is regardless of that,

he's just a good dude. And I respect that. And yeah, I respect that. I look forward to hearing from him more. And I hear he's writing a book and I'll be the first one in line to buy it. Good. Lou Elizondo Oh man

Essential He's essential to this topic Howver you feel about him And just like content creators have issues Lou is also human And the other people he's working with So whatever you hear about this, that, the other And I've covered on my channel too

Don't forget they're human And these human things So to just be like They're evil, this guy's evil And that guy's, I just say You don't know this person Okay at the end of the day You may think you know

You've heard XYZ from this and that and the other. So I would say, you know, let him do his thing. Give him the space to do his thing. Jeremy Corbell. I like Jeremy. I like what he's doing. And I like that he's work with George Knapp

and kind of teamed up with him. And I respect Jeremy and what he's trying to do and get the word out. about this topic. And like I said, Jeremy helps push the topic out into the public sphere. And he works really hard. Yeah. And his production on his stuff is really good. And again, whether you agree with it or not, he thinks about things in certain ways that actually are necessary for this topic that people might accuse him of being whatever. But those things are kind of necessary, you know, how he puts out stuff and this, that, and the other. So, you know, I hate to say it's just part of the game. And he knows that. And he knows that. And he's willing to take those bullets for that. I may not have seen that at the beginning, but I've definitely seen that as time has gone by. So, yeah, much respect to him.

Bob Lazar. That's interesting. You know, personally, I don't know the guy. So I have no personal opinion on him. His story is fascinating. It's the quintessential story you want to hear about this, his story, what he experienced, right? that that's we want another Bob Lazar to come out just like that yeah you know and say that same

thing right to say these same things i've gone up and down with this story a lot of people that i respect seem to believe him a lot of people i respect seem to not believe him so i don't know right like it's like i don't know where to where to sit on this um so he doesn't want to testify he's just kind of doing his own thing i just leave him alone let him, you know, why bother him? Yeah. He really does kind of seem like the most polarizing figure over the years, right? Definitely.

Absolutely. And not for anything he did, if I'm being honest. Well, I mean, he told a story, but it's more, it's more like he told a story, that story went out into the, and then that's what became crazy for people. It created this whole thing. but he didn't do it's not like he was out doing these you know things for the story or whatever like to make it crazy or it just right he was alone i mean there weren't that many people coming out and saying that and he did uncover things or at least things he said made the government

sort of acknowledged certain things that we didn't know which is interesting right and he helped push the needle too in a lot of ways and people talk about it and you know so there's something to be said for that just see Michaels. Oh yeah. Just as a content creator, mad respect for him. Love. Yeah. It's production and just from a production level, I really like it. I like the way he tells stories a lot. The only thing I would say is stop using so many damn big words, Jesse. Because I don't understand 90% of them. I'm a pretty smart guy and I've been around a lot of smart people in my life, but my God, I don't think I've ever met a person who every other word

is a word I never heard before. Like, it's crazy that dude's vocabulary, but I think he might need to code switch. And I'm not saying I advocate for that, but code switch a little and kind of hit us with some, you know, words I can understand, but it's just smart, you know, yeah, a lot of respect for that kid. That's good. Um, Dr. Stephen Greer. Speaking about polarizing to some people. Yeah, he's a polarizing figure, if not the most polarizing figure at the moment. Definitely in the top three for people, how do you feel about him. But again, he's also got a lot of connections.

I've spoken to a lot of people like, did you see that disclosure documentary or whatever? Like, you know what I'm saying? I loved it. The last century? Great. So good. I don't know. you know he does a C5

I've met people who are like no I've been on those things with him and he's a good deal you know this done so I don't you know I don't again I don't really have a personal opinion on him he's just he's very polarizing and like would I interview him absolutely sure when I talk with him 100% I would

Leslie Keen yeah she's interesting I would actually really love to interview her yeah I think she's one of the fewer stronger female voices and there should be more

and she's one of the co-writers of the famous 2017 New York Times article right that's pretty big pretty big deal yeah it's a pretty pretty pretty pretty big deal and she seems

very interesting to talk to yeah like I just saw her interview on with James I and Doley on engaging the phenomenon She seems really interesting to talk to. Super smart from when I can. Yeah. 100%. And these are two case names.

The Vegas aliens. The Vegas aliens. You know that's near and dear to my heart. I've done it. Oh, yeah. There's a scout rod. Absolutely. I mean, I'm open to it, but I mean, I'm just, you know,

this is my real opinion. I don't think there's anything there. Okay. Me personally. But I'll always be open to anything that comes out about it, and I love talking about it. For sure. MH370.

Yeah. That's a story there, bro. We can do an hour on that. Yeah. Yeah, in the beginning, I did not believe those videos. I thought they were fake. I even made a video saying, I think Ashton fake these. I think he's the creator of these videos.

we didn't get along at first but then we mended fences and he came on the podcast twice and talked about it and he talked about free energy this device he's working on

and I'm a lot more open to it all there's been so much information to come out about stuff and the more I learned about that case MH370 the more I realized oh okay let's take the videos out of the equation, right?

And just focus on the MH370 event. There's so many red flags. There's so many, you know, inconsistent details. And the stuff that Ashton uncovered about that flight and everything surrounding it tangentially is crazy. And the people that worked with him. So, you know, I had more respect for like, you know what? You're putting your time and effort into something you believe in to investigate and bring that information out to the public. and people can decide for themselves.

Right, right. And I just didn't see that in the beginning. And I see that a lot more like this is what he believes in. And he's just pushing for it. He's not grifting. He's not hosting. He believes it. And he's trying to show you this, that, or the other about it.

And people are going to be attracted to him that think the same way, right? And other people are not. But yeah, more power to him and wish him the best. and, you know, I don't know what I think about it all, but he makes a pretty convincing argument. Yeah, that's fair. One last name here. Curious to get your thoughts.

Stephen Deiner. I was kidding. I had to. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, dude. Are you kidding me? We don't have enough time, bro.

You're amazing, dude. No, man, I appreciate it. All good. All good. So let's throw that in there. there. Oh, you're awesome. Really, I mean that. You're great, dude. You do a great job. I remember the first time that I interviewed you and you came on and it had such a great time. I thought, oh, yeah, this guy's really cool. Okay. Like, I could definitely see me doing more work with him, right? And doing more podcast and talking about this. And you're always so great to work with behind the scenes as well. And just genuine, dude. Again, it's like, that's what I don't trust about people is when, behind the scenes, it's one way and then this, it's another way. I don't like that.

Yeah. That's, that's, I, I, I want just genuine, I just want to talk and deal with genuine, authentic people in this field. And you're one of them, man. I appreciate it. Well, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

I'm right back at you. I mean, for anybody who might think otherwise, absolutely. So, ditto to you, man. I appreciate that. Well, I'll get you out here on this, Patrick, because, man, we have spent a lot of time together. And thank you so much for doing that for spending all this time. What do we have to look forward to? What are some things on the do?

for vetted coming up that you are just itching to get at that are going to be coming out soon. Great. Great question. I definitely have some good interviews. I'm trying to wrangle and set up. More than anything, it's just been the infrastructure of vetted and how I'm going to be presenting all this information and some of the other things that I want to offer to make the vetted experience better, expanding the discord. I've started recently editing my daily videos. adding a better production to it. And just trying to fulfill my promise every day, right? More than just, well, I'm working on this story and this story and that sort of thing.

It's just I'm setting myself up to make sure that I'm able to continue to do this well. Does it make sense? So that's what people can look forward to that I ain't going anywhere. I'm just getting started. there's going to be a lot of stuff to come out clearly over the next few months, and I'll be right there to show it. I love it, man. That's awesome.

And I know we'll both do our best as things continue to develop in the wild world of UAPs. So this has been great. I know this won't be the last time we'd talk either. So we'll absolutely keep in touch. We'll go back and forth. A lot to come in the future with all this. So Patrick, oh, and how could people find you anywhere throughout social media? course the YouTube channel, everything like that, throw it all out there.

Yeah, absolutely. Look, you can go to our website, vetted. show, S-H-O-W. That'll take you to everything from there if you want. Yeah, you can find us on you. It'll take you to YouTube. It's up too. You can find us on YouTube, Betid podcast, or just search Vetted. I realized we picked a great name and it's easy to find.

So, yeah, Vetted podcast. We're only on Twitter and we're on Snapchat now, I guess, too. Someone's running that for us. putting some stuff on Snapchat. But just search for it. You'll find us. Awesome, man. Well, any final words, Patrick?

Before we part ways for today, anything else on your mind? You're like, man, I wish you would ask me this question. No, man, you did a great job. You asked some really good questions. And it's always interesting to be on this side of things, right? Being asked the questions like this. So you did a great job. I love this.

It's really easy to talk to you. The time flew by. so just thank you for having me on, man. It's nice to be able to talk about this stuff because a lot of this stuff I don't talk about on my podcast or just don't have a moment to bring those kind of things up. So it's nice to be able to come on here and talk about it. Absolutely.

Again, thanks so much for coming on. Check out vetted. Patrick is great. Can't wait to talk to you again soon, man. Thanks so much. Thanks, Stephen. Man, I really enjoyed that. I hope you did too.

Thanks again to Patrick for coming on spending all that time. I know I told him during the episode during our conversation there, but I really just wanted to give him a shout out again for doing that. And I don't think it's the last time we'll do something together. So whether I'm unbetted, he's on UAP, or we just do something completely different together, wait and see. But there is so much still going on throughout the UAP universe that I can't wait to get to. There's a lot of news out there. There's a lot of newsmakers. And actually, there is one thing that has happened since the UAPU universe that. conversation took place again because there's always something happening every day.

We mentioned MH370 there towards the end of the episode, towards the end of our conversation. Just within the past day or so, there was a new development on that that I wanted to kind of throw out there because I just thought it was incredible. It came completely at a left field and even caught Ashton Forbes off guard. Robert J. O'Neill. If you're not familiar with that name, Robert O'Neill is the guy from Sealed Team 6 is Navy SEAL veteran, and he was the man on SEAL Team 6 who shot and killed Osama bin Laden during that raid 10 years ago, right? I think, wow, that was 10 years ago, I think in May when the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan when they shot and killed him. And Robert J. O'Neill was the man who did that. And the reason why I bring him up is because he randomly tweeted out a couple of days ago, didn't tag out.

Ashton or anything. He just, no, no hashtags, no tagging of anybody. He just tweeted out MH370 or the missing Malaysian Airlines flight was a, is not missing at all. It was a message to China. I'm paraphrasing there, but that was the overall message. I don't have the tweet in front of me to say the exact quote, but that was his overall message was, it's not really missing. It was a message to China. And Ashton, of course, took notice of that and so did I. And it was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a second. Like, are you telling us something we don't know?

Because Ashton has mentioned that before here on this show. It's something that Ashton and I have spoken about. I mean, in all the times that he's been a guest here on UAP, was, you know, one of the theories is why, when the question becomes, why would the U.S. teleport, you know, a passenger airplane? And one of the theories is that, again, has been brought up here on UAP when I've spoken to Ashton is, well, we wanted to kind of show off because we knew China was watching in that area and we wanted to show off and say, look, what we can do.

So to hear someone else say that in the stature of someone like Robert O'Neill, who has obviously been in the know and been in different circles within the military, high-ranking military to be in Steel Team 6, I'm sure he's known different generals and chiefs and things like that, is there something that he's. trying to say there without being able to expound on it a little bit more, or is it his personal opinion? But that was really, really striking with just within the past 36 hours since having this episode put out. So it's, I definitely took note of that and I would be remissed if I didn't mention that here today to wrap up. But that's just an example of some of the things going on

out there and I can't wait to do another episode of UAP. A lot of great stuff coming up. Actually, a little teaser here I do have on the schedule. and I'm really excited for it, so hopefully it all works out, and we're able to hold to our date of this. But I have on the schedule here to speak to Stephen Bassett, who is obviously needs no introduction. I mean, he's a massive name in this field. He's done many interviews on many huge platforms, so I'm honored enough to have him say yes to come on here to UAP, and I really look forward to that. That will be happening in a couple of weeks, actually, we're supposed to speak.

So just something to keep in the back of your mind, Stephen Bassett, scheduled to join me here on UAP. That should be a really, really cool discussion. I cannot wait for that. I'm actually kind of nervous. I look forward to bringing that to you. But outside of that, make sure you are continuing to follow the show, following the show, and subscribing to the show, wherever you get your podcast, whether it's Spotify, Apple, Amazon, whatever platform you like to use, just search UAP, Unidentified Alien podcast.

It'll come right up. and of course on social media. Twitter is the main spot, but also TikTok. You can follow at at UA Podcast 850 is where you can follow along there at TikTok and Twitter. Again, Twitter is the main spot, but I do like to put some things up on TikTok when I have the time at UA Podcast 850. And speaking of the time, I can hear my YouTube channel calling out to me. Please, please don't forget us. I'm sorry, I want to put more up on YouTube.

Again, timing is the issue, but I'm going to try to do more of that and you can follow along. at UAE podcast. No 850 on that one, just at UAE podcast. But if you haven't caught up, you can go to YouTube. There's a lot of great videos on there, different interviews I've done, some different shorts and things like that, to follow along with as well. Oh, and of course, email. I almost forgot.

You can reach me directly. S-D-N-R-U-A-P, it's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at Gmail. I will get back to you. I promise I know sometimes I take a little bit longer than I'd like, but I will get back to you if you'd like to send me a message about anything, whether it's an experience or whatever it might be that's on your mind. Feedback, you love the show, you hate the show, whatever you have on your mind. I always accept messages, whether it's on the social media outlets or through email.

So please feel free. You're never bothering me. And I'm not ignoring you. It just takes me a little while to get back, but I will promise to get back to you. But until next time, I look forward so much to coming back with so much more here on UAP in the future. So stay tuned. Keep track on all those social. channels that I was talking about. And I look forward to bringing you so much more on so many

great things very soon. But until then, Stephen Deiner here is saying thank you again so much for tuning in, for listening, for making the show what it has become. It's all because of you. Couldn't do it without you. And it would just be impossible. So thank you again so very much. Can't wait to talk to you again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Until then, be well. Be safe. And thanks. moment when things start to feel uncertain, not urgent, just a quiet question in the background. What helps is finding a place where it all feels a little more clear. At Villa Gardens, life stays full, connected and meaningful, with people, with ideas, with the things that have

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