UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 86 A Post Disclosure World - Stephen Bassett interview part 2

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

What would life be like in a post disclosure world? Would we have open cooperation between humans and NHI? Access to reverse engineered tech? And what should the goal of the new Congressional and Senate hearings be? Stephen Diener and Stephen Bassett discuss these questions and more during this conclusive part two of their conversation together.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Really good stuff. I hope you enjoyed the first episode and just a really fascinating guy to talk to because he's, you know, I mentioned in the first part. He's just entrenched. He's just one of those people that has been in this world for a while and has talked to. all of, you know, the big names and all the big players in the UFO, UAP discussion that takes place behind the scenes. The real discussions, like in Congress and within the Senate and, you know, witnesses and whistleblowers.

So he's seen it all, he's done it all, and he's talked to them all. So that's why it was really just so great to have him on the show and get his perspective on all these things, which I think has been a really unique experience to get his perspective. He pointed out a lot of things that even I didn't have never considered before until I spoke to him here on the show. So we're going to pick up right where we left off in part two where we were talking about, you know, kind of the, we have them right where we want them. And so we take it from there and start actually talking about the October discussion. I ask him about some of the things that, you know, I've spoken about in the past when it comes to this disclosure timeline of, you know, like post-disclosure being in October.

and his answer, I think, will catch you off guard, actually, and it kind of connects to the political landscape of how disclosure has been pursued within D.C. So we go over kind of like some of the then and now and what that means for the future. So really cool there. And also why he's so confident that disclosure is going to happen. So again, just that unique perspective that he has,

being entrenched in this for so long, We go about the future hearings. We talk about those who he thinks should and could be a part of that and the discussions that should take place as well. Also, 2026 versus 27, what is that about? So we kind of go through the distinctions there. And some of the more interesting thoughts that popped into our head as we were talking, like, will abductions end if we're in a post-disclosure world? And if they don't end, what would that mean?

Is there a Galactic Federation? the good and the bad side of reverse engineer technology, the purpose behind the Senate and congressional hearings. And so a lot of this good stuff, a lot of really interesting, thoughtful things that I think will set the table nicely going into October and what I think is just going to be overdrive when it comes to the disclosure discussion and hearings

and then going into 25. So this really does, I think, set the table nicely for the rest of the year and going into next year because I think we really are going to go into what I guess I could refer to as overdrive. That might be the best way I could put it. And that connects to the sense of urgency that Steve presents here during this episode as well.

So it's all here in part two my discussion with Stephen Bassett on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Back for more when we're done for final thoughts. But for now, here you go, part two. Enjoy. Let me ask you, makes you feel like, let's say you're a John Elway, I'll continue the analogy, and you're on the field. What makes you come into the huddle and tell the other guys and say, we got them right

where we want them? In this moment, leading towards disclosure, what gives you that confidence? It is simply an understanding of a pretty broad spectrum of what is going on. If you go to my website, paradigm resource group.org, you go over here to resources. Then you come on down to, print media archive this is one of the major projects of paradigm research group I'm now archived 15,000 plus articles the total number of articles that have been put out pieces on the subjects is 47 is probably well above a hundred thousand it could be 150,000 I was reading a story just the other day about 1952 and it was related to the the the incident where of course the craft were flying all over DC

for two full almost 10 days really putting on quite a show and as a result they had to a a video report was put together with general john sanford and everybody's seen it uh and he's trying to assuage people's concern and with making legitimate statements but they also included don't don't keo uh who who who stated flat out that yeah no this is extraterrestrial there's etes here and in the article it mentioned that apparently 60,000 pieces had been written since 47 and 52 back then when it was all print, remember? All print. Tons of papers. Every city had a decent paper and 60,000. And I've gone, that's very possible. And you're thinking, wow, 60,000 articles, then why didn't it all just blow up then?

I don't know. All I know is the truth embargo was managed pretty well. So the act. The actual number if one were to go into the archives like I'm going to do that I'm not and find as many of these as possible by going to archives and microfiche and everything else it's possible to possibly link a hundred thousand articles on this page but here's 15,000 and recently the number of articles has grown and gotten bigger and bigger and so the most that I have recorded so far and logged in is 20 to 2023 and that has 1800 so what's the point of and I earmark some of these House subcommittee hearing right era website and so forth if you haven't read hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of articles referring to this process then you don't have a full picture of what's going on yeah all right so I'm following that I'm based in DC my office is a block and a half from the White House all right I've got all kinds of connections in the fields including some of the leaders of the process Danny Sheehan being the number one I think is now leading the disclosure actor's movement, frankly.

And Ron James, who is all over the hill, he's doing interviews, and he's putting out documentaries, so he's a very significant player. I'm dealing with all of that. I've got plenty of social media, so I'm getting a lot of feedback from the public through interviews and Twitter spaces and what have you. And so I just have a very substantial overview of what's going on, because that's all I do. I don't expect other people to do that.

Why should they? Who can do that? I'm sure Danny Sheehan's got a pretty good overview, but mine may be even broader than him because he is busy building a huge think tank called the New Paradigm Institute, and you've got other projects. It's not so much he can do.

But I have a little more calm in my hands. So based on that comprehensive understanding of the moving pieces and the legislation and the individuals have come forward and what's happening here, there, and everything else, and the news coverage. That is the reason why I can say we have them right where we want it. Yeah, it's good stuff. But with Danny Sheehan, I did have the pleasure of meeting him one time.

Great guy. Yet to have him out here on the show on UAP, but I hope to do that sometime in the future. It would be fantastic to speak with here on the show. But he said something that matches up with something that I've been told in private and here on the show. with a military intelligence whistleblower who goes by the pseudonym of Anthony Williams. He's spoken to me a bunch of times we speak in and outside of the show, and he's been a guest on here,

and he talks about a document that showed post-disclosure in October of 2024. And that lines up with something that Danny Sheehan has spoken about when it comes to some type of disclosure date, if you will, in October of 24. And we really, within the next few weeks from where we are right now. Where are we with that, Stephen? Is that's something that we should really be looking into

what's happening with October? Because that's a question that I get all the time on social media, specifically on Twitter, where they say, hey, Stephen, what's happening with October? And the answer that I give is, I really don't know what to say because I'm just getting the information and I'm giving it to you.

So what's happening? be with October, if anything? October is not special. October is simply a month in the process. Anytime somebody comes forward like that, that's good. That's fine. It just throws a little wood on the fire. Keeps it going.

No problem. The process underway, and I'm going to give you the short version, very short, is we've had four pieces of legislative. which is unprecedented. The fourth piece of legislation was it. It was the law that we needed that essentially set up the small D disclosure process to go forward appropriately in an orderly fashion and also to set the stage for the president to come forward and and end the truth embargo.

But we need more than just the legislation. The legislation is a major piece. That got reduced. It got paired back. back still important it's there it's not going anywhere it's still important but it was a setback of sorts so that's happened uh we've had and several briefings in both in in the senate i say briefings and there's some staffers coming up to report we've had one true hearing for witnesses and that was in the house all right we've had one major whistleblower came forward who really shook the

the treaties and that's David Grush all right we've had a huge amount of political coverage we've had a number of people in the house very all of whom are well not all but the number of people in the house of both both parties have made very strong nonpartisan statements about this issue literally to the fact that it's true you have you have you have bursch it's absolutely true and there's aet's here and so forth others are alluding to it what have you so got that um so that is a lot that is a huge amount all right and so starting in the last year right right which is the most intense so far of any year but it's building to that in other words that this last year we've had an even bigger battering ram I mean we hit the we hit the door with an even bigger one yeah in rapid succession

David Grush comes forward, confirms non-human tech, non-human bodies. He's, he's put, there's pushback against him, not surprising, all right? 34, 35 days after he has come forward and made that statement, Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader, puts down the fourth piece of legislation. And it's massive. It's unbelievable. It's earth changing, earth shaking. And it includes eminent domain, which is the one that caught most people's attention.

Only 12 days after that, the House subcommittee, oversight subcommittee had holds a hearing. They were able to get Grush, Fraber, and Graves to come in and give a hearing. Of course, the Grush was the centerpiece. And he repeats everything he told Colthart and the debrief under oath. Not even tech, not even bodies. at a yada. Huge. All right. And so at that point, things are really intensifying. And we're only up to July 26. So huge media coverage. And this particularly intense, I guess, month and a half. Months a half? Yeah. Triggered a strong response from the truth embargo managers.

In other words, they said, wait a minute, the gate's given, you know, you guys rush up, you know, and buttress that gate, buttress the door. And so you had a number of things follow in which an effort was put together to reduce, dramatically pare back that bill in the reconciliation process that the NDA must go through, the national defense. Authorization Act and they succeeded. And then what happens next is rounds comes forward, not too long ago and does exactly what we knew he would do. He reintroduces the whole UAP Disclosure Act as it was originally submitted last year, everything. Yeah. And submits it into the NDAA, but under a different process. It's a very complicated bill. The NDAA is very complicated bill and the whole process of that level of legislation is not easy to understand. In any event, they introduced it as an amendment. I think it was an act before. And so that that's

obviously a message to to the DOD. We're not, you know, the ARO. We don't, that report's nonsense. We don't believe it. And then Robert Garcia, a very, very good Democratic member of the House, introduced a bill related to the subject. I think it was the presidential review board into the house. It had no chance of going anywhere, but it was a statement to the DOD. We don't believe that arrow report study. And so that happened.

And then, of course, you have the matter of the ultimate hearing. The hearing to end all hearings, the one that will set the stage for whoever's president to end the truth embargo, whether or not there is a full-blown UAP disclosure act or a watered-down version. Right now there's a watered-down version. We also just learned that the resubmission by Rounds and Schumer was taken out. And it's because the way they put this forward into the NDAA opened it up to potential being blocked by certain specific members of the Senate. And I think it has to do if they're a, if they're a chairman or a ranking member of one of the key committees, they could block it.

This is just a summation of what has happened in a short period of time. Now, where are we right now? Here's where we are. The House people, Burchett and others, have made it clear they're holding another hearing, not surprisingly, after the election, totally expected. November 13th, right? That's kind of the day. Jill Brand has made it. She's going to have some briefings.

Now, I'm sensing that it was hearing or briefing. It doesn't matter. Probably going to bring up, you know, the head of error. Who knows? It could be just a briefing. No, no swearing, but whatever. And she may have that before the election, but she may choose to have it after the election.

But there's already both the House of the Senate are already, now you're not, if there's no truth to this, if the error studies report is true, you don't need to do that. But of course, they know it's true. And so that's in the works. And then behind. all of that is senator mark warner senator mark warner is going to be the chairman of the intelligence

committee all the way through to at least january three i think it's three or four which is when the new congress takes over so unless the uh uh republicans take over the senate he's going to be the chairman for a long time to come and he has the ability to pull the witnesses together anytime he wants put him in front of that committee for a week, say, 20 sounds about right, two in the morning, two in the afternoon, five days. That's a lot of testimony. Every single one of them will have security clearances and every single one of the under oath. And that's ballgame when he does that, right? Because once that's done, the president is going to be able to come forward because that hearing is going to be watched by millions and millions of people. It's going to set the whole thing on fire.

And the president is going to be in a position to come forward and say, well, I watched it. You watched it. I've made some inquiries. And yeah, this is real. And apparently, we're not alone. And there's other non-human tech technological entities from somewhere. And you're going to be learning about that. I'm going to help ensure that happens.

Right. Now, if it's Biden, he's going to confirm it. And he's going to ensure that if his candidate wins the election, unless they already have, have that that's going to come for it. Whatever, it's disclosure by Biden. That hearing could happen at any time. It could have happened months ago. And I think it might have happened months ago.

We really needed to get disclosure out of the way before this campaign was significantly underway. But it didn't. But we understand why. Developments in the Ukraine, catastrophe in the Middle East, not helpful. And so, and and a. what both parties view as an extremely significant election with extreme consequences, more than usual, a lot more than usual. All of that put together, it just couldn't do it.

Now, when will Warner call that hearing? Here's the calculus. Is it going to happen before the election? Absolutely not. Could it happen after the election, but before the new Congress takes over and before the new president takes over. That would be January 3, January 20th. Very possible. What is the advantage of that? Is that it gets it out of the way. It's done. Yeah. We have, we have the, the truth embargo is over. And now the new Congress takes place, takes office in the post-disclosure world. And the new

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It's, I mean, is it safe to say that? I mean, as far as the momentum, what's on the line, I mean, all the pieces in play. Like, it feels like this is kind of the moment, I think is what we're getting at here today. Yeah, sure. It's an irreverting. The door has been breached. In other words, it's not going to get rebuilt, right? It's been broken.

People are pushing back, but the door to the castle is pushed. And so it's inevitable. There are millions of people that are going to be seeking disclosure here. And so it's irreversible. And this is completely hypothetical, but in a post-disclosure world, like let's say one of the things, one of the scenarios that's, you know, just pointed out there, plays out whether it's before or after the election. And it happens all through the Senate hearings or testimonies. the congressional hearings, and we get to a post-disclosure era within the next few months, let's just say.

Do we have, again, totally hypothetical, but do we have an open cooperation at that point with NHI? Like, are we talking about a world where some type of NHI species is now revealed themselves to say, all right, cats out of the bag, let's, you know, start working together and we start to see something like that. I mean, I know it sounds like something out of the science fiction or the, you know, the Twilight Zone, but could we see something like that in a post-disclosure world? Of course. There are several scenarios here.

One scenario goes like this, that there has been behind-the-scenes cooperation between some NHI and one or more governments. Sure. I'm not convinced to that yet. It's brought up. No question. And by that, I. I don't mean we've got some live aliens from some crash and they're in a holding cell and we're chatting with them. We're trying to communicate.

I don't mean that because we have had that starting with Roswell, if not before. I'm talking about cooperation with the entities at the appropriate level. That's possible, in which case, post-disclosure, Some sort of public interactions might be moved from the classified world into the public world and we could actually see some sort of interactions between ET's and our governments One of more governments quickly. Okay, though I got to tell you if there have been in actions and arrangements or anything of a formal type with ET's by our government post-disclosure, that's going to be one of the toughest questions they're going to have to answer and they're going to have to tell the truth and that's a reason to why a lot of people would much rather retire first, meaning, you know, I'd let me retire, I'll go to Florida, I'll change my name, whatever, and then do what you've got to do, but I don't want to have to go out and answer these questions. I get it. But so that's one scenario.

The other scenario is, no, there has not been cooperation like that. And so the first significant interaction between our world and the ET world or world will be. be post-disclosure. And by that, I mean open, right? There's a possibility that after disclosure, it will trigger behind-the-scenes interactions for a while between ETs and governments. That's possible. And then at some point, it becomes public. So that's a possibility. Obviously, we won't know about it until it goes public until after the fact. But I boil it down to this. At a certain amount of time, after we are in the post-disposure world, open discussion, contact with ET's is going to take place. And by that, I mean dialogue.

I'm not saying they're going to be sitting down in the East Room with the White House or giving press for. I'm just saying there's going to be communication. It's going to be acknowledged. And we're going to know the nature of that communication. And it'll be known worldwide. I have put two years on that. That's a number I have put that, but put it in 2026. The idea that once we disclose, the ETs will say, well, you finally acknowledge this.

We've done our job. We don't need any more abductees. We're leaving. We wish you well. Maybe we'll check back in a couple thousand years. I don't think that's going to happen, but it could. So that's my sense of that. I mean, man, again, so many moving pieces here and scenarios to see how this would play out in real time.

It's just so fascinating to think about and talk about. And one of the things that's been talked about, when you talk about timelines, is 2027. You know, John Ramirez has spoken about this. Many people have spoken about this idea of the 2027 timeline. I think Leslie Keen has spoken about this.

Where do you put yourself on 2027, Stephen? I mean, you talk about 25 and 26 really more there in what you were just saying. It's, don't think in terms of years. I can't pin a year. But it's fun, right? I mean, if I were to come and tell you, wow, I've got,

I've had some serious discussions with a couple of big insiders whose name I can't give you because it's classified. And yeah, something big is going to happen to 127. I'll get some social media coverage, right? But I don't do that. It's certainly possible that there is some inside information that pins something significant to an event, to a year. Okay. If that's true, then fine, it'll happen.

the upside of that is it does raise interest. It just gets people excited and what have you. The downside is, it also creates a lot of shade being tossed because there are a lot of people they disrespect that. And I get it. It's like, what do you mean a year, right? You know, there's been a lot of talk about this year and that year. You don't know what's going to happen.

And so they push back. I get that. So that's kind of a negative. But overall, all of these efforts to try to pin a year to something, another is direct reflection of how intense this is. All right. And there's going to be more of this. And that's okay. I don't do that. I say two years based upon nothing more than an estimate of how long it takes a planet of 8 billion people in 200 countries to get up to speed with what we know, what the public has uncovered and what the government knows about this is. But it could happen a week after disclosure. But it will happen.

I'm pretty sure. The idea that the ETs will continue to abduct people and occasionally turn our nuclear weapons off after the whole world is now aware that they're here doesn't make a damn bit of sense at all. And by the way, let me point out that I think there's a realistic expectation that the abduction phenomena, which is real, may cease. after disclosure for whatever reason. I mean, it's not that they haven't had plenty of time to deal with a whole lot of humans, but it's going to be kind of awkward

if that continues to happen. And so those that, you know, those that are still dealing with it may have a respite there. I throw that out. Not everybody. Some people invite it. They want it. They'd be disappointed if they weren't, you know, getting a visit once in a while.

But some people are not. happy about it and I know plenty of VTs, contact these that have paid a heavy personal price. I have a feeling it'll end. You know, if it didn't, it would kind of almost feel threatening, wouldn't it? I mean, if the open secret is out there and now it's not a secret anymore, people will say, well, wait a minute. So now that we know this is real and these people we were calling crazy that they've been abducted by aliens are telling the truth, why are they still being abducted if we know

that they're here now, it would kind of feel threatening. Well, even more simple, a simpler way of stating it is that it's one thing to turn off our nuclear weapons back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, whatever. It's another thing to turn our nuclear weapons off after the world has acknowledged their presence. Right. It is accepted that we're not alone. And then suddenly they turn the nuclear weapons off. That would be a very different thing.

Now, it would still be powerful. It would be very powerful. But upsetting and powerful. So I don't know. I'm just looking forward to all this. I can tell you almost anything that happens is going to be thrilling. But I'm trying to project for those who are not able to focus on this and give them some sense and perspective. But I don't have any absolute certainty really about any of this.

But I got enough feeling to say we got them right where we want them. One of the things that kind of sticks with me to that, again, sounds like science fiction. but it comes from, I believe it was the former Israeli space minister or defense minister? I'm a shed, yes. Yes. And he talks about the idea of a Galactic Federation. He actually mentioned we're talking about the presidential candidates. He mentions that Trump was briefed on it during his term in office.

Where do we land on this Galactic Federation when we talk about cooperation with NHI? Is that the type of thing that, you know, when we get to the disclosure date, does everything just come out of? once if the if the galactic federation is indeed real or is that something that would be more of like a okay we'll tell you about that one later and then where where do we go from there look uh i believe hamishet is passed i'm not mistaken yeah i believe so yeah um there have been a number of very senior people who have had high level clearances that have come out and said some interesting things it's not necessarily straightforward what their intentions are the fact that there's more than one the ET group here as the contactees have clearly reported one if they're here if they're here at

the same time i i have to assume they're kind of aware of each other and probably working together so it's hardly shocking if there's more than one species species out there that they may be working together may have a federation they may have some sort of political alliance now the galactic federation is kind of a term that was used in the star trek and so uh You have to think of as a general concept. This is a way for a human to refer to the fact that ETs may be cooperating with each other. Does that mean it's a federation? This is English.

This is human language. What the hell by ETs think of it or call it? We have no idea. But if he's saying there's cooperation between ETs, yeah, of course there is. I already know that. But he's giving it a matter of fact that I know that and that is happening. inside. Now that's a piece of evidence that I put in one of my probability boxes. Am I convinced that that's the, that's it? That statement completely holds up. No. I think some of the

things he said does. So that's where I am on that. It is a piece of evidence coming from somebody this near death who has had some involvement with these issues. There's not a lot of corroboration on that. There is various reports that have come in about interactions between us and ET. Some of its ETs that are in captivity. So this is one of the great questions. It needs to be asked post-disposure without, certainly. And I'm not going to be shocked if we learn that the government, well,

I know if the government is aware of the AT presence, the government is aware there's multiple entities, therefore the government is aware that there's some sort of cooperative situation out there. That is almost certain. That there is a cohesive entity in which you talk to, like the UN, right? You talk to the UN, you're essentially addressing all 200 countries. If there's a cohesive entity called whatever that the government's actually engaging with, well, that would be interesting. significant might be true. I'm not convinced, of course, at this point. All right. And then the possibility of government has got some arrangements or talking to separately to different entities from different places, but not to a collective representation. That's also possible. All of these are still in play. And let's face it, any one of them, post-disclosure, is going to be a big deal. big deal sure uh and so it just confirms uh that this will be the greatest paradigm shift in history and the only what remains to be seen is how great i'm i'm if i'm going to lean one or the other i'm going to say it's probably going to even be bigger than one might think not less so uh but

until we get there we're not know for sure yeah i mean you know we've had marco rubio and ncice talked about before this would be the biggest story in human history if they can come out and say that it's that it's true and i'd like to think they borrowed that phrase from some people giving podcast on this issue i happen to believe that we are affecting the language of these people that people in our field our colleagues the podcast army all that have actually they're they're drawn on our language right and going oh yeah and that that's great that that's a sign you're winning yeah we're we're doing something which i like to think that we're are for sure. I got to touch on this before we're done, and that is the idea of reverse

engineer tech. Obviously, something that you've spoken about many times, and it's a huge discussion when it comes to this. Maybe even part of the conversation when it comes to disclosure, right? Because then you have the defense contractors kind of have to admit, yeah, we've been developing these things behind the scenes with, you know, black budgets and all those different types of scenarios. So when it comes to the idea of reverse engineering, tech, how much of what we see, the orbs, the triangles, you know, what, all these different craft, even, you know, submerged objects that come out from the ocean, how much of these things, you think, Stephen, are products of our own tech that have been reverse engineered and

that we are seen and we just identify as, well, that's otherworldly versus, well, that is otherworldly. Yeah. I don't know how much. I'm convinced, and I think a lot of my colleagues are convinced that we've reversed some tech. There's just, well, I mean, you can reverse some tech or you can make a relatively intact, fly a relatively intact craft without even understanding how it works. But if you kind of know how to work the controls or something, you could fly it, but maybe not understand the underlying check. I don't know.

But I think we reverse some tech. We've certainly studied these craft with a lot of money spent, a lot of very intelligent people, for decades. And so it's not just how the craft worked. It's the science behind it. And so I think we have made stride scientifically and engineering-wise and so forth over the last many years. And all of that is completely sequestered. It is classified. And one of the reasons this is classified is for potential weapons, the possibility of weaponization, which is not a good thing.

thing. Okay. If in fact there are multiple crash vehicles out there in multiple countries and multiple countries have been studying them for decades trying to figure out how to weaponize and that's just one more reason why we're screwed. Okay, unless we get things out in the open and start rethinking. I mean, if you had an anti-gravidic craft, anything like what what has been reported recently, but also reported all the way back to the 50s. Sure, right with food fire. You can deliver a nuclear load to another country in a couple of minutes. That's a full first. strike weapon. And so if you've got three countries that have that, every one of them knows that at any time they can have a first strike, take out most of the facilities. And therefore, it comes down to who

strikes first. And if that's the case, then again, we're, we're finished. Somebody is going to take action. And so this is, this is not going to get better. It's only going to get worse and worse and worse, wherever they are technologically. But one of the upsides of the post-disclosure world that help fuel change and and progress is that any technology that any country has developed from these crash vehicles that is going to make it easier for us to deal with the huge problems we face on this planet whether it be sustenance food clothing shelter toilets for everybody not just you know for some uh dealing with climate issues right uh dealing with fundamental infrastructure issues like energy for instance anything like that takes a lot of pressure off all countries

in terms of diplomacy and cooperation right now you've got a lot of countries that see this whole thing is essentially existential meaning if we don't win if we don't hold our ground here if we don't win that if we don't do that we're we're done right so everybody is in a survival mode many people in some countries are in survival mode this is gonna end badly so any scientific positive scientific developments post disclosure could take some of that pressure off and and help effectuate the change that we need and it's it's we don't know all right but it is it is imperative that we find out so that's

what's important, not whether we have free energy yet. And then there, and finally, and this is obvious, this tech has been in the hands of a limited number of, quote, scientists and engineers for decades, a fraction of the intellectual capacity of the human race. And so if that technology and science is brought forward so that the entire human race can deal with it in an orderly an appropriate fashion, obviously. The prospects of maximizing the value of it goes up substantially because the secret world has its limitations. Right. And so again, the arguments against sequestering this stuff any longer are simply zero as far as I'm concerned. But some are going to argue to the bitter end. But they will lose unless we have a cataclysm that makes it meaningless.

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And that is November 13th, I believe, is the date that's been thrown out by Nancy Mace for the congressional hearings there, but for the House hearings. Like you said earlier, we don't have a date yet on the Senate, whether it's going to be hearings or testimony. Well, that's yet to be seen. but when it comes to who we will see versus who we should see, I want to get your take on that. I mean, do you think we get different witnesses and who should they be? Is it Louel-Lazondo?

Was it Robert Salas? I mean, there's so many names out there that could be a part of this testimony. Of course. Look, there's only been three witnesses. That's all. So, yeah, of course they're going to be new faces. But this point should be made. And that is the purpose of the hearing in front of the Senate is not to educate the world about this phenomenon, meaning, okay, we're going to tell you.

you everything has happened here and we got this witness is going to cover the 40s and this is going to cover the 50s no no no no the purpose of this hearing is to set up for disclosure to make the the presence of ET's non-human tech absolutely confirmed at the level of that hearing and then open the door for the president so the hearings will be what will include individuals that can make most powerfully the case for the presence the reality of this ET presence now Now, there are plenty of witnesses that can do that. And there are some people that you could logically assume would be there. Grush and Elizondo, you would think would be a no-brainer. Graves in favor, I think they have a limited testimony and they've done it. So they might not be there, but I don't care.

The witnesses are going to be, I can say this. The witnesses are almost without any exception. may be either military or former military. Right. Or a former government. Almost everyone, if not everyone, will have operated under a security clearance, which means that it's going to have to clear DOPSER.

You know, the defense pre-publication review that everyone goes through so that there are certain things they can say, certain things they can, and they have to answer according, that's possible. But nevertheless, they will be, powerful I have only one group of witnesses that if I to the extent that I have any influence at all now it's here is in that is of course the nuclear weapons tampering witnesses the Bob Salas and Bob Salas who leads that group

several of which have already died they had they abs the nuclear weapons tampering thing has got to be front and center yeah on this hearing to not do that would be a very, very unsettling. These men have tried to get a hearing for almost 40 years. Yeah. And they have been completely ignored. Now, what do I mean by that? The nuclear weapons tampering stuff is about as powerful as it gets.

And the Defense Department for them, it's like, oh, we can't, this cannot happen. What do you do? And they had a very difficult position. The Defense Department was in a very difficult position because you've got SAC-based officers who were extremely well reviewed and vetted, who are psychologically confirmed to be able to hold those keys in their hand and possibly decide the fate of the human race. When you've got them coming forward and saying nukes have been shut down repeatedly, or at least at my base and their first-hand witnesses, What are your options?

You can, you can make them disappear. They just disappear one day. Nobody knows what happened to them. You could try to disgrace them, meaning, oh, we're just going to disgrace these guys. Not just one, but three, four, five, so that people won't believe them. Or you can ignore them. And the choice they made was to ignore them. And it's simple.

If you start murdering sack base officers, that's not going to sit well with the rest of the sack command. Yeah. Right. I mean, you're going to have literally an uprising revolution inside the military system. If you destroy them, if you try to ruin them, same thing. It's not going to go well. And so you ignore them. And meaning just pretend they don't exist, never say anything, don't respond to questions, just don't say anything.

And it worked because the DOD so completely ignored these men, no matter what they did, they've given press conference, they've written books, they've created docs. The media goes, you know, the DOD doesn't even say anything about them. They acknowledge them. So they've stayed away. And that is a disgrace. New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, how I go on, it's a disgrace. But, you know, you went along with the game, you went along with the truth embargo, we understand. You've been covering it nicely lately, though not enough of these guys, but still. So if I have one way, well, I have two wishes.

Somehow, some way, I got to be in that room for that hearing. And I'm prepared to go to great lengths. So that's one. And secondly, is Bob Salas and his cohorts, which could include some totally unknown people that we've never heard from before, but are willing to come forward for that hearings,

including some of the top side guys. In other words, not the SAC base officers down in the silo, who were present when it happened, but the up top security guys that actually saw the damn thing, right, hovering over the base. We may get some of those. Yeah. It's incredibly important that they have their hearing

and they get a chance to testify that that is going to really hit hard. There's a lot of people out there saying, okay, that's it. That's all I need to see. So beyond that, I'm sure they'll select well. And by the way, if you're able to get into the congressional hearing, can I be your plus one? My gosh, that would be amazing to be at. All I can say, my friend, is that if it lasts, it could be a whole five days, morning and afternoon sessions. So start working on it.

All right. I'm aware of your interest in being my plus one. But I'm going to have to be somebody else's plus one, right? So you'd be a plus two. But I mean, I'd get on it, right? You know, check the airfares into D.C. Don't, where are you based? I'm actually down here in South Florida.

Okay, South Florida. Okay. Well, Rubio's office, he's your senator. Don't be afraid to contact his offices and tell them what you're doing and indicate that you would very much appreciate the past one session. don't be shy, right? Don't be shy. So you might make it.

All right. And then there's always a possibility of just get in line. But I can assure you that's going to be tough. But I just, but whatever, you're going to watch it on TV. You'll get a big TV. Get the biggest TV you can because this is going to be a big deal. And you want to see it. You know, it's like watching the Super Bowl.

You don't have to watch a Super Bowl at a 40-inch television. I'm with you. That's right. It'll give it a shot. We'll see what, what the future holds. But before we go here today, Steve, I want you to talk about a little bit, actually something that I'm a part of as well. And it's a great honor to be a part of it. And that's something that's, you know, you help to run. And that is the HDA, the Hollywood Disclosure

audience. Talk about the mission. I've spoken to Dan Harari before. He's been on the show with me. Great guy. I really enjoy talking to him. He and I stay in touch still through email. He's awesome. And he's talked very well about the HDA here on the show. I'd love to give you the opportunity, too, to talk about what the mission is with the HDA, because I think it's such a really cool, unique thing that you guys are doing with the Hollywood Disclosure Lions. It is one-year-old. There'll be one-year-old November 1. And Dan Harari, a Hollywood-based publicist and myself, launched the thing, bootstrapped it with very little money out of our pocket.

whatever. And when you go there, you can easily, you know, on the front page, you get the mission down pretty quickly. And it is a 501c3 nonprofit, which has one fundamental mission. And that is to facilitate the ability of the professional content creators at all levels, production, directing, producing, acting, whatever the hell. every aspect of the entertainment world, which we use Hollywood to stand in for, but obviously it includes the film industry and TV industry in every country, Canada, UK, India, whatever. To facilitate the ability of them to connect up with people in our world,

the citizen science research, activist, journalist world, to get the message right to make new content to a world that's gonna be on fire and wanting content, unlike anything we've ever seen. And that's great. That's going to be fine. And we have some people in our world that have done some high-level stuff like James Fox.

But I can envision a time when James is a James Fox documentary gets, I don't know, 10 million funding from some entity in the film industry and access to some big-time production people or whatever and takes another distance. This is what we want to do. It's basically a purely networking. entity and i can go on i can do more promoting but this is a glimpse of where we are i mean it's and this is another reason why i'm i'm telling you when i say we have them where we want them we do all right we do journalists are coming forward academics are coming forward think tanks are

being created legislation is being passed hearings are being held all of this in the last seven years most of it concentrated in the last three years which is far greater than everything that happened in the 70 years prior to 2017 yeah it's almost over folks now let's get it done before something really often in the world happens and we are well precluded from from doing it at all hmm wow it's it's powerful and um i i suppose that's where we can end it there because we certainly have had a lot to consider here in the time that we've spent together here today, Stephen, and I can't thank you enough for your time for this opportunity to speak to here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.

So thank you so much for coming on and for doing this and been a really, really cool discussion. So I just appreciate your time, Stephen. Hopefully we can stay in touch down the road and keep in touch as things continue to develop because I know this is a special time and things are really starting to happen. So look forward to keeping touch with you. You're now part of my podcast Army, my friend. anytime, even last minute.

I mean, the nature of how I work, yeah, most of the time, if you called me with five minutes notice, I can do a podcast. Not always, but sometimes. So you're on the list. Let's keep in touch. And let's do another one at the appropriate time. Just let me know. And thanks for joining up, my friend. Absolutely.

Stephen Bassett, unbelievable. Thank you so much for doing this. And we'll talk again soon right here on UAP. Well, that was awesome. I really enjoyed it. I hope you did too. He's just such a smart guy. It's such an intelligent guy to talk to.

again, just because of all the perspective that he has on this. So I truly enjoyed that conversation. And I'm going to have the entire thing up on YouTube. At some point, I'll keep you updated on that. The entire thing is over two hours long. So I'll get that up on YouTube one of these days. And when I do, I'll let you know so you can kind of see behind the scenes and the entire discussion there. You know, unedited in one giant part.

So I'll let you know once that is up. But thank you again to Stephen Bassett for doing that. And really cool to hear that, you know, I'm part of his podcast group now. So excited for that and that's awesome. And look forward to having him on again in the future for sure. But until then, much more coming up in the future right here on UAP. Excited about some good stuff coming up for next week. I'll be speaking with Christina Gomez from the strange and unexplained YouTube channel

where she has over 65,000, actually. he's over 65,000 subscribers. So really looking forward to speaking with her. I think she does a great job. And I think we'll have a lot of really fun and thoughtful discussion. So I can't wait to bring that to you next week. So I'll keep you updated on that as well as just so much other stuff going on. I have, guys, I have so much of my notes.

Honestly, like, it's even hard for me to keep track these days. I'm like, okay, I'm going to cover this. I'm going to cover that one. And before I know it, my notes just keep growing. And it's like an avalanche of information of things that I want to cover. and plus information that you send me as well, whether it's through TikTok or Twitter or through an email, the information I get from you. I add that to my list as well.

And so there's just so much, I have like a backlog that I want to get to here on the show. So rest assured on that end, if you ever wonder, man, I hope he doesn't run out of things to talk about and, you know, he won't do the show or any anymore, I can assure you I will not run out of things to talk about. In fact, I don't have enough time, nearly enough time, to cover all the things. things that I want to talk about that are out there that are happening. But I'm going to do my best as the days and the weeks, months, and maybe even years go on to bring it all to you and just keep you up to date as much as I possibly can. So I look forward to doing all that and bringing

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They'd like to buy, you know, shirts or mugs or blankets or whatever it might be. I'm in the process of finalizing those things. It was a lot more complicated than I thought it was going to be, so I apologize for teasing that and then just kind of went dark on it. But it is going to happen. I have it pretty much ready to go. So once I'm ready to put that out, I will absolutely let you know. But that's why you've got to follow along on social media too.

So you can see when that merchandise comes out. And hopefully you enjoy that. I know, like I said, a lot of people have asked me about doing those things. And I've never done it before. I wasn't really sure how that would come across if I should. And it wanted to come across like a greedy businessman or something. But, you know, I think I owe it to you. If you want to represent the show, you love it that much.

I always thank you for that. It's just an amazing honor for everyone who does love the show and who would love it so much that they would actually want to represent it in their everyday lives. So I do want to get that out there for you. and when I do, I will absolutely let you know when it's coming. But it is coming. So I just wanted to apologize because I've been talking about it forever and it hasn't come out. So I haven't forgotten.

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Be well.