UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 87 The Strange and Unexplained with Cristina Gomez

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Is there more of a UAP connection to the spiritual realm than we thought? Why do we see so many various types of unexplained craft? And does anything top this story of a supposed NHI attack in Brazil?! Stephen Diener welcomes Cristina Gomez, the host of the popular YouTube channel - "The Strange and Unexplained" to dive into all of this and so much more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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the Unidentified Alien Podcast. And we're back with, with an interview that I've actually been looking forward to for the past couple of weeks, and our schedules finally came together to allow us to do this. And today I'm having it on the show, Christina Gomez, from the strange and unexplained YouTube channels. I think she does a really great job on there covering this topic,

UFO, UAP aliens. and overall, even some of the more supernatural aspects of things as well. And that's what we do here today. I bring out Christina Gomez to kind of discuss all of those things, the supernatural, the spiritual, and the UAP discussion, and maybe how it all connects. Is there a connection there when it comes to the spiritual realm and the UAP question? So we actually get into a lot of really fun, interesting topics

as far as the different vehicles in craft that. are used that we've seen throughout sightings. As far as new hearings, right? We could talk about the new hearings that are coming up. How much of this is our own reverse engineer tech versus something else? Which is always a question that lingers out there. So I love getting her opinion on all these things, getting her point of view. Like I said, super smart.

She's great. She's entertaining. And I just think she does a great job with the information as well. And actually, she came on and gave me a story that I had never heard. before. We talk about some of the things that have happened in South America, particularly in Brazil in the past. That sounds very, very similar to some of the things that we have heard happening in Peru over the past year or so. So we get into that and it's really startling. I mean, the amount of physical evidence that comes up in that story that she brings up with

Brazil. I mean, it's almost undeniable. So we go over all that and so much more. It's a really thought-provoking discussion I found once we were done it's really introspective actually I think we kind of ask some deep questions as we go through this and I think you're going to enjoy it because I really

had a great time talking to Christina throughout this conversation so we cover a lot of the topics that you want to hear that I think you're going to enjoy hearing about as we get into it here episode 87 of UAP myself and Christina Gomez from the strange and unexplained YouTube

channel. Here we go. Enjoy. Christina, thanks for coming on. Steven, thank you so much for having me. I love talking about these things and I'm just very excited to be here. No, awesome. I'm excited to have you. Like you said, I've actually teased this for a couple weeks now because I've been excited to have you on. I think you do a fantastic job. So I'm looking forward to a fun conversation here. Thank you. Now you're making me nervous here. Like you're really setting up these expectations that I'm like, man, I really got to meet them now. But I'm looking forward to it. Don't disappoint. No, just Christina.

I'm just kidding. No, all good. We'll have fun. Actually, let me kind of start with what you do right now. So for anybody who's unfamiliar with your YouTube channel, the content that you do, kind of the background of your show, I mean, it's a great following. You have over 65,000 subscribers on YouTube. So, I mean, you have a lot of consumption of the show.

But for anybody who hasn't taken part of it, talk about that first. So what my channel and my research focuses on, it's more specifically referring to, UFOs, UAP extraterrestrials. But what I've come to realize over the years is that there is this connection between UFOs, the paranormal, cryptids, and genuinely just so many things that are in the

category of the strange and unexplained. And so when I originally started the show, I'm like, okay, I'm only going to focus on this. UFO cases, maybe some updates and things like that. But it's definitely morphed into something bigger than I ever expected. So the

things that I cover are, you know, ghost stories, cryptod stories, anything like things such as Bigfoot and a few other cryptids, which they're kind of escaping me right now. But there's a handful that like I've really caught my attention over the years, like the Lochness monster as well. But a lot of them have to do with UFO cases. And also seeing how the United States government is handling this topic along with other countries as well, like Australia and England and Canada and a few other countries and how they're, really just approaching this topic because it seems like it's really beginning to capture people's imagination more so than ever when the Pentagon said that the Tic Tac, the gimbal and the GoFAS,

these are authentic. These are the real deal back in 2017 and 2018. Then we had the UAPTF. Then we had Arrow, right? And it's just, it's gaining all this public traction. And people are thinking, how much of this is true? Where do I look for for information? And so my channel and the research that I do really wants to help people kind of give them a foundation and give them an understanding of what's going on. Yeah, no, that's awesome.

And I can personally appreciate that because I kind of try to do the same thing as far as, you know, with everything out there, we just try to lay it all out there, let you know what's happening and then kind of make up your own mind from there. Exactly. So that's what we try to do this.

that anyway. So I think we do a pretty good job of it. But no, that's that's awesome. That's fantastic. I mean, so did you think kind of getting into it? Because kind of like how I kind of came into the same thing, too, which was it's just a personal interest, right? Something that you found interesting. It's intriguing. You like to talk about it. So you started talking about it. Did you ever think that it would kind of take off the way that it did for you personally? No. No. Not at all. I know you can feel it on a personal level, Stephen, yes, because it's something that once again, it's just over the last few years, everyone's having this interest in it. A decade ago, it's kind of like, oh, really, aliens?

I can't talk to you about this, at least not in a public setting. Now everyone's commenting on it, which is amazing because one of the things that I truly believe is that this topic might be one of the most important conversations. that humanity is having. And what I mean by that is if we can understand what's going on out there, it will give us a better advantage on how to properly explore space and to not be such a hostile species that we are right now. And I can bring in the speech that Ronald Reagan gave to the UN a few decades ago,

and I'm paraphrasing here. But what he's getting at is if there's this existential threat out there, would it bring humanity together? And I think that it would. I really truly do. There's so much of this bickering and infighting amongst ourselves, which is so silly. Once we begin to realize that there's so much more out there that our nine to five job and paying taxes, it's going to make a difference to every single one of us mentally.

Yeah. No, that's great. And I wonder, too, because there's a lot. Man, I have a lot of my mind that I want to get. to you mentioned Bigfoot, you mentioned spirits and everything like that. And there's, there might be some interesting connections that we'll get to. And when you mentioned Ronald Reagan, of course, you know, the politics of all of this, um, as we get toward the new hearings in November. But I also want to ask you before we get into some of the heavier stuff and maybe this is

a little heavier too. But, you know, this is, this kind of ends up being, when you, when you came into this, you know, this interest of yours and you start to make the show and it takes off and you, you do great with it. Do you ever think to yourself at all? as far as the UFO community and the just the shows that are out there, it tends to be male dominated. And maybe I'm wrong about that, but that's just my observation as I look at the lay of the land. Do you come into any type of challenges that's, you know, you have to overcome different hurdles because you're a woman in this field or, I mean, does it heighten, does it hurt? I mean, what do you experience as a woman in this field doing your show?

A lot of the times I wish I was a man in this topic. I'm not even going to lie to you. want to make this into like a whole like sexist gender thing, but I'll be, I'll be very brief here. It is a bit more difficult just because they don't take you as seriously. It took me a very long time to gain credentials. But what I want to get at here is, yes, it is a bit more difficult. It's a bit harder to get people to take you seriously to gain those credentials. But once you lay that foundation, it becomes a bit easier, but there is still that very different mentality between men in women just because it is very male dominated. And so what I want to do here is to say, this topic is for everyone. Anyone can cover it. And not only have I seen very few women,

I've also seen very few people that are from South America as well. So that's also something that I really want to just shine light on without pushing it. You know what I mean? Like I don't want to push it down people's throats by any means. But just being there, just being an example, I think that's the best thing anyone can do. No, that's well said. Like you said, it's for everybody. And it crosses gender lines, party lines, faith lines, whatever you want to say. I mean, this is the conversation.

It's a humanity conversation. And I think it's, you know, it's important to have all those voices out there. And again, you know, I believe you're doing a great job. And yours is a great voice for this community. So kind of on that note, when it comes to a topic for humanity, right? topic for everybody. As we kind of get into October, November, we come into this crazy election season is coming to a head. How does it all kind of fit in with the new hearings, do you think, when it comes to these congressional hearings? Actually going together, Christina, we have Senate

hearings. I'll just make this point. And then I'll put the ball on your court. Senate hearings and congressional hearings, right? Senate would seem to be headed by Senator Jillabrand and the congressional hearings will be headed by Nancy Mace. And the date for the congressional hearing seems to be November 13th. That's what they're talking about as far as a date on that. A lot of speculation of who's going to be in there. But the reason I bring up both is because this is the first time we've had, I guess you can say dual hearings or collaborative hearings with the Senate and the Congress. They've only done this with other major issues such as the Iran-Contra affair or Watergate. So when you

have both houses going at the same thing relatively at the same time, that kind of highlights the situation. It's like they're sending a message that this is a big deal, not only to the public they want to send that message to, but I think also to all the lawmakers and everybody behind the scenes, like, hey, we're paying attention to this. So where do you see all this going once we get into the hearings? Who do you think is going to be there, should be there? And what kind of effect do you think it's all going to have to answer that question and we have to go back in time just just by a few years looking back at 2021 with the aio i MSG first hearing in over 50 years right when project blue book ended so you had scott um bray and ronald multery they were the head of the

a oh i MSG which is a disgusting acronym it's just it's just so long and it's like a aimsog is what they wanted to call it i'm thinking like it just sounds terrible But back in 2021, it was not taken seriously at all. Even though it was the first hearing pertaining to UFOs in 50 plus years, they couldn't get anything right. They couldn't answer any of their questions correctly. Representative Gallagher was definitely the star of the show asking really big questions, such as the Malmastrum Air Force Base incident, talking about the Wilson documents as well, touching on Raw as well, and all these different things. And of course, other reps were asking some good questions.

But the reason to why I'm bringing this up is that with every hearing, it significantly progressed with the level of professionalism and the level of well-prepared questions by representatives. So we had that first one. They couldn't even pause a video on time to get a still image of a UFO. And that was just painfully embarrassing. Then we had the Arrow funding hearing in 2022 with Kirsten Gillibrand and Kirkpatrick, who was the then chief of Arrow. And that was all about funding. And what he was really getting across, and I think that definitely rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, is that he wanted to make a UFO into an SEP. And that stands for someone else's problem.

Yeah, the way that he phrased it, it just sounded terrible. And yet, if I wanted to take this from a non-biased perspective, right, which was what we have to do in this topic, is that he wanted to attempt and identify everything that he could and then give it to the right department to continue investigating it or keeping the paperwork, which makes sense. It makes sense. but just classifying it as an SEP, yeah, it wasn't that great. But that did lead up to the latest hearing that we had last year with David Grush, Ryan Graves, and David Fraber. And that took off, okay, in the sense of like, it set the whole Amazon rainforest on fire. Like, it was just that big and that hot. And to the point where if you read any of these mainstream media articles,

or if you watch any of those mainstream media clips, they almost always, without fail, bring up David Grush. And everyone knows this man's name because he made such a significant difference, bringing in such huge claims that the government knows about these projects, has reverse engineering, has bodies, had people died, have they been silenced, right? And when he said, I can't answer that, it was giving a lot away in just those few words, right? So that set the stage for the world to look at this more seriously. But I do have to just state very quickly that the U.S. is very behind with their UFO offices

compared to all these other countries like Japan, like China, like Udo Gai, which was one of the very first countries in South America to create their UFO office a few decades ago. The U.S. and Canada are very, very behind. but they are taking center stage, which is in shocking in some ways and not in others. Now, leading up to the one that's supposed to come, I'm pumped. Okay, my expect, I didn't have expectations with the last several hearings and discussions. They're high now, okay, based off of the last one that we got, who's going to be speaking? We don't have a list just yet.

I'm excited that we even have a date because Anna Palina Luna has. had mentioned that to ask a poll, we were meant to get it in September, October. Now it's being pushed over to November, but at least we're getting one this year because we were, rumors were, according to Representative Tim Burchett, he said, we were meant to get a hearing in December of last year. Wow. That didn't really happen. Then kind of funneling into early this year, and that didn't happen. So we're getting it very late.

And it's unfortunate that it's happening during the election time period. Will the elections blanket this topic? Is that the reasoning behind it? Right? Because when we're dealing with the government, there's always so much going on behind the scenes. There's so many reasons to why things take place. They could have had hearing if they really wanted to in January, February of next year.

They could have done it tomorrow if they really wanted to. Of course, there are still some hoops and loops they have to go through. but doing it in November, I'm a little disappointed, but at least we're getting something. So that's the plus side. Yeah, no, it is, it's a great point. It's something that I kind of thought about

in the back of my head over the weekend, actually. It was kind of, you know, mulling this topic over and just thinking to myself as I do because, I don't know, I guess I'm just psychotic and I have to talk to myself in my mind about all this stuff and try to figure it all out. And as I'm thinking about it, that is something that's,

popped into my head what you just said, which is the timing of this where you have that hope, right? It's kind of like a double-edged sword. Like on one hand, you're like, okay, great. It is happening. So we're happy for that. But on the other hand, it's a week after the election. So are we going to be in a scenario? I hope not. We pray that everything's peaceful after the election one way or the other. But are we going to be in a scenario where a, and this is worst case scenario, so forgive me. I hate to be like a doomsday sayer, but are we going to be where,

A, we have to postpone it because of unrest, and I hope that's not the case, or B, things are crazy one way or the other after the election, and it does kind of get blanketed,

like you said, because of it's going to be hot and heavy. I mean, everyone's going to be talking about that. So do you think that it will end up getting the coverage that it deserves? I mean, what is it going to take?

Like, Are we going to have to have another Nancy Mace who's heading the hearing? We're going to have to have another moment where it's the biologics moment, right? It went viral. It was the one piece that everybody played. It was all over the news and things like that. It was all over social media where she had that exchange with David Grush. Is it going to take something like that or even more for people to pay attention to what has to be said during that hearing coming in, you know, mid-November?

I think so. I think just because people's expectations, are high. There's going to be a lot more eyes watching it, but there'll have to be more, what's the word I want to use here? More like shocking information because it's the news. Yeah. And the mainstream media is all about that shock factor. And if they do fall short, the media, which I can't say if they will or not with the elections coming up, that's where we come into play. And we fill in those gaps. And the nice thing is that when we are out there giving that information, other people can grab it as well. And that's what matters.

Everyone should be a part of this topic. Everyone should just know the very basics on it. And it doesn't matter who's succeeding and who's not. It's getting that information out there and flooding the internet with it. If the mainstream media fall short, which over the last few hearings they have in some ways. And when it came to the last one, they didn't necessarily, but they only focused on what you said, Stephen, non-human biologics. There was so much to that hearing. And they only stuck to that one thing. And I'm going to mention this talking about Mace, actually, three times during that hearing, it was mentioned three times of. And the question was, is there a disinformation campaign taking place by three different reps? And for me, I thought,

that's kind of weird. Ask it once. I get it. Ask it twice. Obviously, you weren't listening to the first person. Ask it three times. Now there's something to this. And every single time, Grush answered it strategically. But what I'm getting at is the media didn't, didn't grab onto that. And that's so significant. They touched on when Tim Burchett, excuse me, Tim, I like to call him Tim Chet because the birchette, like, the closed captions, it just butchers it. And so I'm just so used to saying it. He asked a really important question of, have people been murdered in correlation to this? And the media didn't really grab onto that in the way that it should. They touched on it, but I'm like, this is, this is a big deal just because there have been so many stories in the past of people being silenced because they knew too much about UFOs and aliens, one of them being James Forrestes. just an example, right? So I hope that this one is going to be a hard hitter like the previous one, and also that everyone is watching very keenly.

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No, it's a great point. And I'll say this one last thing before we move on. I think what might be, well, you know, with the exception of someone coming out and saying, well, actually, they have said that, that we have recovered craft and we have biologic. So with the exception of that, I think maybe what needs to be highlighted that's going to grab people's attention might be the nuclear aspect. And going back to Mountaine Air Force Base, you mentioned earlier, so maybe that means, you know, maybe somebody like Robert Salas, who I know is ready and willing to get on there and take the stand. I mean, he wants to get on there and talk about it or whoever else it might be. I mean, someone has to get on there. And this is just my opinion.

And you can take it and run with it or you can throw it back in my face. But I think someone has to be on there to highlight this reality and ask the questions and say, these things are interested in our nuclear capabilities. They have shut us down before. And they're seeing all the time over our secret and non-secret. installations. And I think if someone can drive that point home, that's going to get the attention of everyone. I think. I could be wrong. Okay. Talking about that, there was a hearing a few months ago now with the Department of Energy and it was all about energy and all that fun, not fun stuff.

But Representative Anna Polina Luna was there who was a really key figure in the last hearing, asking some very amazing pointed UFO questions. She was at the DOE hearing, Department of Energy. And she threw this curve ball that the, I think she was the administrator or the secretary was not ready for. And Anna asked, what's your protocol for UFOs that come over nuclear facilities? And the secretary was like, I don't know what you're referring to. We just have drones that come by from time to time. And Anna Palina Luna was like, yeah, but then what about before drones were invented?

And there were still these UFOs being seen over your facilities. What are the protocols? And the woman for the DOE said, I can answer that for you in a close setting, but we do have a protocol. I was like, what? And the thing is that that particular hearing went undetected. I didn't know about it until several weeks later when I was reading an article on it that no one else was covering minus this one and the name escapes me. I want to give you credit, but I just don't remember the name.

And I thought it's those little like slippery questions, right? That is that catches my attention, your attention and our audience's attention more so than like actual energy questions, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's really interesting. So we'll see if that ends up coming up. And if not, what else comes up?

So we'll wait and see. We'll continue to cover it, talk about it. Whatever happens, I know you're going to do a great job with it, and I'll do my best to cover it as well as we get closer to it. And it actually happens. Kind of sticking with that, but also moving away at the same time to just connect it here. Representative Eric Burleson from Missouri, he was actually, he says in a recent comment with Ascapul, who does a great job, by the way,

getting some of these scoops in these interviews and as Matt Laslo as well. According to them, Eric Burleson says that he was briefed on UFOs and was told, okay, get this, was told that they phase in and out of our reality rather than traveling here from another planet. So there's two things that really strike me that, Christina. Number one, a representative is saying this that he's been briefed on this and that's what he's told. And number two, it really does, I guess, kind of correlate some theories that have been thrown out there on different occasions that what if we aren't looking at interstellar travel when it comes to the UAPs? What if we're looking at either craft that are already here coming out of the water, caves, whatever it might be, or phasing into our reality? Which way do you lean?

Is it all the above? I mean, does something like that make sense? In my opinion, we cannot place all of our eggs in one basket. We have different vehicles that have different operations, planes, trains, airplanes, I said planes twice, cars, automobiles, right? And they all have different functions. We can apply, potentially apply that same mentality to these different crafts, some that are doing interstellar travel, some that are doing interdimensional travel.

Are we dealing with different entities from different parts, not just one type, right i find it remarkable truly that representative eric burleson is even talking about this openly yeah the interdimensional aspect has definitely gained traction over the last decade or so it did start off with euthologist jacques valet he's the one that really set this forward and got into the in the public's eye because prior to him everyone just saw a craft and they're like all right it's a nuts and bolt craft it's kind of a different planet and it's traveling here and it's traveling here traveling here using exotic matter or at the very least fuel like we have here, which is honestly so prehistoric, I feel. But looking at the interdimensional part, it's very, very exciting.

And it seems like our science is starting to look into this more seriously, looking at string theory, for instance, and all of these different dimensions that we are beginning to find at the very least theoretically. right it is leaning towards a higher probability of being able to create or at least know of craft that can be interdimensional changing their frequency and going through different dimensions and or realms right to get from point to point b without taking that long linear travel but just popping and not like a portal right And then we also have the theory of white holes due to Albert Einstein. Then you have the Einstein Rosenbridge, right? All of these different things have been in the mentality for a little under a century.

But now that we are seeing these craft and that there's alleged research on them, I just want to make that very clear, alleged in all caps, right, that there is something to it and they're not doing the conventional means like we are with our rockets. And so if we're able to harness that kind of technology, it would be an absolute game changer to our evolution as a species, getting us from point A to point B. It won't take us forever to get to Mars. We could do it in an instant.

Would it even, in the sense of economics, right, the economical mentality, would it even be cheaper? That's what we always want to do is make things. as cheap as possible, but also decently efficient. Not super efficient because money is power, right? But if we're able to harness that technology

and the entire human race has like, is knowledgeable of it, like knows it exists, could we then finally steer away from fossil fuels which has dominated our world's

economy for longer than it should? Or, Or are we going to just keep remaining on fossil fuels and doing these rockets that are extremely expensive and not efficient by any means? That's the question. And if we get in control of that technology, it will change everything. Yeah, it's well said. And I think you make a great point when it comes to the different uses, right? I think that's something that maybe gets lost in the phrase sometimes.

And it's a really interesting point because we can tie in our own, say, reality, different vehicles, right? They use for different. We have submarines, right? We have helicopters versus, you know, fighter jets for different scenarios and different reasons. Like you said, trains, planes, and automobiles. Everything is used for something different. And I think if we apply our own sensibilities, our own humanity and our own practicalities to some of these things that we're seeing, whether it's the giant triangles versus the oil. We can say maybe the or drones and the classic saucer shapes.

Maybe those are interdimensional. We don't know, but it does feel like because we're just seeing different type of craft, different shapes and different sizes, that it does seem like that. Maybe that is the case. These are just different craft use for different reasons in different scenarios. It makes sense, right? I think so as well. I really do.

And if they're even able to travel here from their own planet, who knows how far that is, they have to be pretty extraordinary. They have to have bigger brains than we do. So at the very least, we can use our very simplistic understanding of our evolution and our inventions towards them. But we can only understand so much if we're not able to actually speak to them, interview them, and get a better understanding of what they're doing here, how they created their technology. and their future goal. Well, on that note, and right, future goal is one of the big questions,

right? What's been going on behind the scenes? What's been the future goal all this time? But on that note of the technology, right, because we mentioned all this future technology, free energy, all these different things that we talk about, I wonder to myself,

so I want to throw it out there to you, how much of what we see is our own or does belong to somebody else? And the reason I bring that up, there's one story in particular that pops into my head. I spoke to a man named Dan Harari a few months back. And he's actually a Hollywood publicist,

been in the scene for a long time, but he's also one of the co-chairs of what's called the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance with Stephen Bassett. And really interesting guy and had some really cool stories. One of the stories that he talked about when I had him on here was something that happened to him as a child. His father worked in New York.

I forget exactly where it was in New York as far as the base was, but it was an army base, and he could never talk about what he did. He'd never really spoke about it with Dan or with Dan's mom, his dad's wife. And at one point, they were driving home from school and they were going down the road. And all of a sudden, Dan recalls a story.

He said, there was just this giant Chevron, the triangle, flying over the car, like hovering over it. And he's like, dad, you got to stop. Look at what's in the sky. So they stop, they pull over the car. It's flying over. It kind of hovers over. And he's like, I'll never forget it. I'm looking at my dad to gauge his reaction.

And it's like, it was no big deal. He's kind of just looking at his watch, waiting for, you know, okay, when are we going to get home? And he's kind of saying, you know, I thought about that all these years later. And I wondered to myself how much of that was maybe something that he had worked on. You know, you would think you would be surprised when you're seeing this hovering triangle craft, no means of propulsion just going over your head. So I can't help but to think of stories like that and wonder, Christina, how much of this stuff is our own that we have used reverse engineer technology for? That's such a difficult question to answer. And I think something that we've all

pondered at least once, whenever we see something strange in the sky, we ask, is it ours or is it theirs? And because of the, quote, alleged reverse engineering programs, right, that we, originally heard of from Bob Lazar, thanks to George Knapp, that's when we really had this level of uneasiness, a level of distrust, because we weren't able to decipher from that moment on any of the crap that we saw in the sky or even in the water were they ours. But I want to add a nice level of optimism here, right? They weren't originally ours. If they were truly reverse engineered by a non-human intelligence, then they were in ours. And we got that assistance. And then in that case, would they still be classified as alien, right? Even though we made them,

it's not our, it's not our knowledge, it's not our blueprint. Right. But we can, we can even bring up the book by Philip Corso who said, after the Roswell crash, we got all this crazy stuff like fiber optics, Velcro as well and a few other things. So does that mean that when we put on our kid's shoes that had a little Velcro straps, is that alien technology? Can we say after wearing alien blueprint shoes or no? It sounds a little crazy when you put it in that context, but if you just take a step back just for a moment, how much of our technology is truly ours made with the mentality of this human innovation? It's a great point. Yeah, and it's one of the main questions, right? And you never think about it. You go to the mall or you go to, you know, pay less

or something like that, and you think to yourself, my buying alien technology for my kids right now with these Velcro shoes. It's fascinating to think about, but it is one of the many questions. And it kind of leads me into one of the things you talk about on your show is also the spiritual realm of things, right? And spirits and things like that.

How much of this do you think might connect when it comes to the spiritual realm versus, you know, NHI? Do you think maybe there's some connection there, one and the same? I know Edgar Casey spoke about this in the past and his readings and his writings. It's fascinating. What do you think? What's been your read on that? Here's a good example.

Let's bring in the topic once again of interdimensional's, right? What if they're not fully able to manifest in our realm? They're not in the right frequency. We might classify them as a shadow person, maybe even a ghost. We could just barely see them. They're still, in our mind, it's still be. classified as alien, but with their eyes, they'd be classified maybe as a ghost or a shadow person or something in the realm of the spirits, the paranormal, right? Labels really tend to convolut a lot of

this, just because when we place a specific label, we think it's something else entirely when it might not be, however, it aids us in these kinds of conversations to attempt and place into words our own experiences. So is there a connection between N.H.I. and the paranormal? Yes, about a doubt, just because we don't fully know either of them yet. Yes, you have mediums. Yes, you have those that can research the paranormal, but there's only so much how we can understand. And there's so many entities that are out there that we don't fully know which ones are which, if they really are a dead spirit, if they are maybe even a demon or an angel, right? If they are just for,

from a different realm, which I want to back that up just for a second. I think that's been bothering me since I probably started is when we're looking at demons and angels, they did not originate on earth. Therefore, they are aliens. They are. And no one can tell me otherwise. It's with the labels, right, that we, that makes us a bit more confused. And this is kind of just like generalization here.

but hopefully that answered your question in a very roundabout way. Absolutely, because I think I'm with you. It all kind of does connect here at some point. Actually, Sean Ryan, who has done a great job covering this as well in the past, has spoken to a lot of people about it, a lot of different subjects. He was on with Joe Rogan last week, I want to say. And he mentioned, because Joe asked him, you know, what do you think this is? You know, he's spoken about a lot.

And he went with that theory. He thinks it's something to do with spiritual. spirituality. Like it has something to do with after death or something, something in the spiritual realm. And I'm not sure, just like with the craft, Christina, I'm not sure if there is one right answer to it all. I think there might be something to say about whether it's interplanetary, interdimensional, or spiritual realm. Maybe it's, there's little bits of each in every scenario. And I don't know, maybe that's a cop out, but it feels like it feels like there is more to it than just one answer. I don't know.

I'm with you with that one. I think that we don't have the answers. We can speculate. We can look at stories for information. We can look at people's research as well. But we don't have all of the answers. So your answer by by no means was a cop out. If anything, it is the right answer to provide.

Because if you begin to say, Christina, I know everything. Listen to me. I am the UFO. God here. I'll be like, ooh, putting on my tennis shoes and I'm running the opposite way, Stephen. I don't blame you. You should. And actually so odd. That's funny though, because some people are like that. I'm not naming any names, but I know we try not to be no at alls because that's, honestly, I'm with you. That's always been a massive red flag to me for anybody who says they have all the answers. This is it. This is the answer. I'm like, probably a little skeptical about you.

no oh no and then what aristotle one of my favorite quotes is to know all is to know nothing yeah and it's the same sense of like if your glass is full with information no extra information can come inside that's it and you're like i know everything when yet there's so much out there but you are too ignorant to look at if your glass is half empty half full right just in that middle you're always you can always fill more of your glass with information and the more the merrier the more the better we're creating this this mosaic of information, trying to understand the UFO phenomenon, bringing in the paranormal, being in all of the strange and mysterious. But if you know it all, you're going to create a little doodle, a little stick figure,

and not the Mona Lisa. Yes, 100%. I felt that in my soul, Christina. That's great. No, it's perfect because it's so true. If you close yourself off to other points of view or other opinions, then, yeah, you're not going to learn anything. So I think that's especially true with this subject. Hey guys, so before we get back into the conversation,

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United States. And look, that's all well and fine. This is where we live. It's our country. We love it. But there is a regional bias when it comes to covering these stories. And I know, I just speaking for myself, I tried to break away from that a little bit. I speak about England.

I speak about Canada. I speak about all these different places, Mexico and all these places where these different stories happen. But South America has been one spot for me that has always been so fascinating, whether it's Brazil, whether it's Chile, whether it's Uruguay. Like you mentioned earlier, there's so much that has happened south of the border of the United States that is maybe some of the best evidence out there. I mean, what pops into your head when you think about Mexico and South America when you talk about this topic? Oh yeah. So for everyone that knows me, Christina Gomez, and my channel, they know my all-time favorite case. Right next to the Phoenix Lights is the Kalarz Brazil incident in 1977, just because it is the wackiest, most insane and yet detailed, driven case of all time. Are you familiar with it?

I've heard of it, but I don't know all the details. So please fill me in. I'm excited now. This is good. Okay. It's such a good case. And I feel like no matter how many times you hear it, you can't hear it enough. So if you know this case, maybe I'll throw in some extra information that you didn't know about. Okay, so here's what took place. 1977, a small fishing town in Brazil. They were being visited by these strange crap in the sky every single night for six months. Did not fail.

And these people were so terrified because when, this craft would shine this beam of light on the people, they'd become completely paralyzed, and they would get these puncture wounds in the chest area, in the jugular area, sometimes even in the thrite. And it was three puncture wounds. And they ended up nicknaming these craft chupa, which means sucker sucker in Portuguese and in Spanish as well. But it got so severe. These people were so terrified that 10, 20 people would sleep in the same house just to attempt and cover themselves because of so much fear. They would not leave out at night because these craft would legitimately harass them, but their homes weren't safe. These beams of light

would also shine through the roof, through the windows, through the walls. There was no safe location. So they were begging the mayor, please bring the military, talk to the capital, Brasilia to give us some protection. So the mayor calls up. He says, hey, Brazilian military, come on over we have a situation, please protect my people. And so the townsfolk, they were so excited to see guns and these tanks and all of this, all of these machines, right, and weapons. But instead, the military brought paper, pencils, telescopes, cameras. They were there to observe and not to protect.

Ended up being called Operation Palato or Operation Saucer or Plate. And a lot of this information was released in the early 2000s through a FOIA report where we were able to see drawings by the military when they were collecting this information, a few photos, and several thousand witness testimony. And you can actually find a lot of this information on the Blackfault where he has a lot of those FOIA reports. And there was one doctor there. and she didn't really believe in the stuff. She was getting these patients coming in. They were terrified. They had these weird puncture wounds.

Their blood levels weren't correct. And she's like, what's going on here? She was documenting all of this because that's what you're supposed to do as a doctor. Then she had her own sighting. She saw these very strange craft in the sky. And I think it was her or the person next to her, a beam of light was placed upon them and they were completely paralyzed. right after that incident, the military comes in. Opraceo Plato takes over,

Kalaris, Brazil, and a few surrounding towns. They immediately go to the doctor's office to the clinic, and they say, everything that these people are experiencing, and you're going to tell them it's mass hysteria. It's not aliens. It's not UFOs. That's the answer you're going to give your patients.

She was like, if you had just come a few weeks earlier, I might have believed it. I might have. But I had my own experience and I cannot lie to my patients. She very quickly actually burnt a lot of her documents so that it wouldn't be confiscated by the military. But one of the most significant parts about this case is not only having a UFO flap, meaning it's a UFO incident that took place over several days in this case six months. But one of the most significant things that we don't, what we almost never hear, are deaths pertaining to you.

UFOs. Two people were paralyzed in a state of rigamortes where they were just unable to move. None of their limbs would do like this, what I'm doing, right? So they weren't able to even fit in the car. So they had to have the windows open, the cars open to fit the bodies in to take them to the clinic for the doctor to give a diagnosis of what's going on. She wasn't able to help them. They were shipped to the nearby town that had a better hospital than her clinic, they both died. Back to back. She asked for the paperwork. She's like, I need to understand what happened to my people, what's going on. Those medical records became classified. So we don't actually know. But there is this correlation, allegedly, between these UFOs and

these two deaths. The military were there for several months. They ended up leaving. These craft didn't show up for very long. Didn't show up after that until a few decades later, which I'm going to get into in just a minute. But there was one captain there, the captain of Operation Saucer by the name of Urangay Lima, who gave his interview to, I think it was two decades later, right after he retired. And he spilled his guts out to the UFO magazine of Brazil. He said, this happened, this happened. I had my own experience, my men had experiences. Everything that you've heard is true. Right after that, he allegedly took his own life.

Wow. And there's a lot of conspiracy behind that. Did he really do it? Did it happen to be silenced? Well, the Brazilian euphologists of the time, one of them being AJ J. J. Javaris, who just recently passed, he was the one that really did significant research for Kalaris Brazil

and helped release those FOIA reports from the incident. What happened is that he was the one that took care of UFO magazine. And he began to ask people that were close to at Angi Lima, his mental status. Like, was he okay? Was he happy? And everyone said he was so happy. He would never do something like that. So that just adds another layer of intrigue.

Well, and just rather recently, I had Brazilian, uphologist Ronnie Verne. And he has done significant research, more so in the tribal areas of Brazil that have had very strange sightings and experiences. And I learned this for the very first time when I had him on. And he said that in, I think it was 2014 or 2016, the small indigenous town experienced almost the exact same thing that took place in Colars, Brazil, back in 1977, where these craft were being seen consistently.

They were getting these odd punk, like they were being paralyzed. they were having what felt like their blood was being sucked out of them by these beams of light. And it's just remarkable that we're not hearing this in other parts of the world. It just seems to be more specifically in Brazil. And the big question is, why? Is it just because a lack of documentation, other parts of the world, it's classified information? Or is Brazil this very odd hotspot that allows these more hostile activities to take place? It's incredible. Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned Ronnie because he's done great work going down to South America.

He was in Peru last year. I mean, I couldn't help but to draw the parallels from what you were saying going through that story, which is unbelievable just because of the physical, sheer physical evidence from that. Right. Multiple accounts, multiple witnesses, the families. The photographic evidence as well of the puncture wounds. Right. I mean, so there's so many aspects to that story that are really just impossible to escape. And so when you look at that and you draw the parallels between what was happening in Peru last year, and in some cases even still this year, it really does make you wonder. Like, what is it about those areas of South America that seem to attract this activity? I mean, and this complete conjecture here, Christina. So I don't know if it's some type of history of the land, something having to do with, you know,

magnetism, the geological aspects of that area, even possibly the genetics of the inhabitants of those areas. I mean, these are all possibilities. But the fact of matter is that these things have been happening for a long time. I mean, direct physical evidence. It's startling. It is. And you break up a good point because I had spoken to Ronnie about something that you brought up is that these indigenous tribes or even in Kalaris, Brazil, we can classify them almost as pure bloods. Like, they are not mingling with these other ethnicities, these other countries. They're really sticking to their own people and the surrounding towns, right? Could these entities just be studying that, just studying their DNA types?

More so than maybe these other countries that have a more mixed pool. Right? I don't know. It's a possibility. But one other thing I want to bring up that I just recently learned from Ronnie is that when he was doing his investigations for Colaris, Brazil, he came across this one family that the girl, she was a little girl at the time. She encountered this craft, the beam of light, the paralyization.

And she quickly, her mentality quickly regressed back to a child. So now she's a full-blown adult, but she has the mentality of 10, 9 years old. Wow. But right before the incident took place, according to his research, she was a very normal girl. She was able to understand things, research things, go to school, no big deal. After the incident, she just regressed completely mentally. And something else is at this beam of light. she had mentioned is that it felt like her eyes were coming out of her skull completely,

which I've never heard that detail before. And then on top of that, from time to time, she's able to have this precognition as well, which that is something that we have heard with other people that have had maybe even alien abductions or these kinds of alien encounters to where they're able to almost tap into this level of consciousness where they're able to see the future sometimes, right? It comes in dreams or it comes in just like a meditation. And that's something that sparks my interest because why? Is it just by mistake when they are operating on these people? Is it by design to help open them up to set an example for other people, right? Are they here to help human evolution? Are they here to help human evolution?

here just to research it or are they here to degrade it with that one particular story by ronnie it it seems like it's everything it's degrading it's helping and it's a bit confusing yeah wow i mean there's just so much to that and i i think there's something you touched on as far as like the consciousness aspect of it that's one thing i continue to come across and i'm sure you're the same as you research different stories and go over different accounts and testimonies there seems to be a common threat of some type of either a higher level of consciousness beforehand that makes people able to even communicate with NIH or there's some type of higher level of consciousness after these encounters.

Case and points I can think of just off the top of my head, Joseph McMonigle, who's one of the most prolific remote viewers of all time when it comes to just U.S. military. the amount of remote viewing that he did for the U.S. military, and that happened. He got those abilities, he says, after having a near-death experience. And he was able to now have this, you know, some type of remote viewing, precognition, all these different things, even with John Burroughs and Jim Penningston in the Rendleson Forrest case. I mean, touching the craft and then all a sudden having these visions of, you know, all these different symbols and numbers, zeros and ones that were stuck in their mind and they didn't know that it was matrix code until later on.

So there's just all these different levels and stories, regions where you have this this commonality of something, some deeper level of meaning having to do with consciousness. It's fascinating. It is. It truly, truly is because we just can't shy away from it. I tried for the longest time. I truly did because looking at consciousness, we're hitting that kind of like woo level where there isn't anything to it aside from just like, I felt this, right? I'm like, oh, I want to get into it, but there isn't a lot of backing. Well, I began to realize that's not entirely true. But the more I've looked into the consciousness

aspect, which is still sparse, by the way, I'm not here to say up. I've looked into it and I know everything kind of deal. Like, no, by no means, I tried shying away from it for as long as I could. But I wasn't able to because you're right. There is this connection between the two. and is it just displaying that humans and the human mind is so much more than what we give it credit for? Yeah. Yeah. And I think so because we even experience it just in our everyday lives, right? We have, I don't know, you're driving and you have a feeling like, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't go this way today.

Like I have a weird feeling about going this way. And then you get home and you find out later on the news that there was an accident on that road. like these you know like a six sense like we all have it to a certain degree and i think it's just something that's an innate ability at all of us and it's just a matter of you know how much are we able to really sit down and tap into that in our daily lives we're all so busy we're all caught up with the jobs and the bills and the kids in school and whatever it might be but i think there is that level that's built into everybody that it's just a matter of two things. Number one, how much are you able to tap into it? Number two, I think more

people are also more predisposed to it than others. Like, you start off at a higher level than others. So, yeah, there's just, it's so fascinating. I can talk about that aspect all day because it is something that I think does kind of go hand in hand with it. It's incredible. It does. And also that level of doubt as well. Like, do I believe my thoughts? Do I not? And then that also really affects the sixth sense as well, which I've done trial and error on that one. And I'm like, man, I really should have listened to myself. But you don't because you're like, you think that you're better than yourself, which makes no sense and makes perfect sense at the exact same time. It's true. Human nature gets in the way. We battle ourselves all the time. Before we're done here today,

Christina, I wanted to ask you about some of the more, I guess, prominent cases and some of the things that I've come across and worked on and had conversations about, do you feel like there is something happening where we're seeing what we're hearing is that we're hearing about this more because of social media or are we being inundated with it more on purpose by possible nHI are they trying to announce themselves more with all these more recent sightings even in china recently all these sightings of orbs and videos coming out so i don't know i mean it feels like there's more happening than before definitely the media makes information super duper super duper lure it makes it very accessible more so the

newspapers that took us a day right to write that another day to publish we're getting that information instantly and everyone has access to it you don't have to pay five cents 10 cents for a newspaper anymore I don't know how much they are actually now because I don't buy newspapers but you get what I mean right we all have access to it so when we're looking at the things like the one that took place in Vegas or the one in Miami or the ones in China. Maybe they've always been happening, but it's just now catching people's eyes because they had access to it. But also the timing is odd as well.

Are NHI doing this on purpose to make themselves known to get the conversation going and even more complex than that? Or is it human design and it's just merely a human experiment as well, right? Like, this topic is so difficult because you're dealing with so much disinformation, misinformation. Now, CGI. And you're also doing with sciops that's going on for decades, really, when it comes to this topic. And so, like, it's very difficult to give good answers. Yeah.

Because we don't actually know. Right. And I think just kind of going back to what we were talking about before as far as, like, the international aspect, it's, And it's been happening for decades, right? Before CGI ever existed, you have all these reports, whether it's Australia, Japan, China, England, or anywhere in South America or the U.S. or Canada. It's been going out for decades pre and post-CGI. So there's got to be something to it all, right? I would think that's, I don't know. That's my take on it. Before we go, though, Christina, I want to ask you, what's one thing that's really kind of sticking in your mind these days,

as far as what you're covering on the strange and unexplained right there? your YouTube general. Put me on the spot. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Everything. Everything. But something that I will state is when researching this topic, you can never have too much information, ever.

And at the same time, be skeptical. Ask questions. Don't believe everything that you read. Don't. But collect as much information as you can. And if you are writing articles, or creating content provided to the public. And then like you said, Stephen, at the very beginning,

allow people to make up their own minds. We don't have the answers. But we can look at this topic, talk about this topic, because it is one of the most important conversations that humanity is having right now. Absolutely. And that feels like a good place to end, but I have a bonus question in mind.

Do you mind? Just splice it. That's right. Yeah. I felt like a perfect ending. It was like a nice little statement closing. sentence and now I'm going to screw it all up. But I can't help but to ask the questions in my head. I just find it's one of the most talked about topics, I think, and everybody has a different

take on us. I wanted to get yours before we're done. What do you consider disclosure to be? Like, what do you, your city at home and all of a sudden you get an update on your phone or it's on the news and you're like, oh my gosh, this is the moment, this is disclosure. What is that to you, ultimately? Oh, probably a mass science. like a mass ginormous sighting like in the movie arrival or something like that because in my opinion disclosure will not come from the government or governments it won't they're always going to try to suppress it and control as much information as they can because knowledge is power right and also like it is a spit in the face for the government at least in the united states to say no aliens no UFOs no and then bam we've been researching it for decades it's like does not look good. You're not saving face there, right? But if we were to have some kind of mass disclosure on the behalf of the NHI,

I think that's going to be more significant, but it's also going to depend on how the media handles it because they're going to be using very specific words, so we classify as trigger words, that will make us feel a very specific emotion, either fear or excitement or maybe even protection, right? I don't know. I'm excited for that moment.

But so far, seeing how things are going in 2024, we are seeing this level of, quote, disclosure by having these conversations and people being more open-minded at the very least to just talk about it and say to themselves, yeah, there's definitely something more than just our planet Earth. Yes, there's definitely other intelligent life out there. Now, are they visiting us? That's another question. But just knowing that there's more out there, that's significant.

And in some ways, that is disclosure. Yeah, that's societal change, I guess, right? So before we're done, Christina, let everybody know where to find you. I know on YouTube and on social media, how do they find you? The best place to find me is either on my YouTube channel under Christina Gomez, there is no H in Christina or on my website at strange paradigms.com. Christina Gomez, thank you so much for doing this. I really enjoyed this conversation.

Fascinating, informational, if that's a word, and just overall fun, thought-provoking. Maybe it's the better way to put it than informational. I think I made that up. Thought-provoking conversation. And I hope you enjoyed it and everyone enjoyed it as much as I did. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you so much, Stephen. And there we have it.

So thank you again to Christina for joining. UAP here today to do that interview with me and definitely check out her channel the strange and unexplained like I said some really fun stuff on there and she does a great job so thank you again Christina for coming on and hopefully that's not the end of it you know I'd love to talk to her again maybe I'll show up on her show you never know I guess you never know where I'm going to be but definitely did enjoy that so I hope you did as well really fun and interesting topics that I felt we got into there especially man I still can't get over that story out of Brazil I mean the just terrifying, actually. I mean, if I'm being

honest, it's kind of terrifying details. I mean, being paralyzed, people dying, having all these physical reactions, and even the doctors being clueless into it all. And then someone who was talking about it ends up mysteriously dying. So there's a lot there that certainly reeks

of cover up. And well, strange and unexplained, actually, I guess is the best way to put it. But that one is, that's why I'm going to have to dig deeper into that one. I actually had not, shame on me. I had not heard of that story out of Brazil before from 1977. So maybe that's even something that I can dig into further in a future episode. Really, really wild stuff. And I couldn't help, like I said,

to Christina, but to draw the parallels to what we've seen, something that I did cover extensively here over the past year or so with the interactions in Peru, very similar stories. People, you know, seeing having beams of light shot at them, getting frozen in their tracks and having all these physical reactions on their body, all these marks on their body, even reported seeing beings flying through the air in Peru. So again, that South American connection, there's always been something there. This is not something recent. It's not even something from the 70s. If you go back hundreds, even thousands of years, there's evidence of paranormal activity, supernatural activity, NHA activity, whatever you want to call it. That goes back, you know, hundreds, in some cases,

even thousands of years. It's really fascinating and kind of puzzling, but something that I certainly will continue to ask about and keep an eye on and try to figure out as we go forward here with UAP. Speaking of going forward, as much as I enjoyed that interview, it is time to look forward to another one that I think everyone is going to enjoy and find interesting. So let me just paint the picture real quick of what's coming up here next week. Last week, I got, actually it's not even last week, but really over the past few weeks, I've had people reaching out to me through social media, mostly on Twitter, and the comment I get, by far, the comment I've gotten the most over the past couple of months is, what is happening with Las Vegas?

What's happening? Have you heard from Scott Rotor? Is he still investigating? Is he talking to Angel? Is he talking to anybody in the Kenmore family? What's going on? What's happening with the pictures? And that's not to say that I haven't been sent updates myself. from some of you out there who are doing work on your own when it comes to investigating these pictures. Some of the pictures that I've been sent privately are very fascinating and in some cases really startling, actually, with some of the things that people are able to uncover.

But it's not over. To answer the questions that I have had for the past couple of months, what's happening with Vegas? Where's Scott Rota? Are you still talking to him? Yes, I'm still talking to him. And there's plenty more happening because Scott called me just a couple of days ago.

He and I spoke for about 20 minutes. And he's coming back on the show. He informed me that he has the final report. He is done. He is done with the Las Vegas investigation. And what I mean by that is he hasn't given up. He hasn't thrown the papers up in the air or ripped anything up and said, I'm done with this. I can't take it anymore.

He's actually finished the investigation. It's been a 10-month-long process, and he feels that he can come on here now for a part three episode together. Part one is where it was all introduced, part two, the last time we spoke, we showed the evidence. And now part three next week is going to be case closed. Here's the final evidence. I rest my case, Your Honor. He has sent me the report.

I have the report. I'm going to look through it myself. In the interest of full disclosure, I have not looked through it yet. Only because I didn't want to read it too soon. And then feel like I had to hold something back from you. So actually, that's the reason why I haven't read yet. I hate trying to keep secrets and tease and things like. that. So I'm telling you honestly, he sent me the final report a couple of days ago on the Las Vegas

investigation. Scott, if you're listening, I'm sorry. I haven't read it yet, but that was intentional because I don't want to give myself information just in order to hold it back from you. I'm going to read it before he and I talk. That way I can formulate all the questions and be up to date before we talk next week. But it is happening. I have the information. He has the information. he's actually, I'll say this now because he told me this, he has spoken to Angel on numerous occasions and has some information, the latest update, even from Angel himself when it comes to himself and his family

and what they've been experiencing since this incident happened over a year ago. Really exciting stuff. Even I, again, I've kept myself in the dark, I know limited information about what this final report is going to say. So I look forward to uncovering it with you on part three with Scott Roder, the final evidence of the Las Vegas case. That is coming next week. Boy, I have a feeling it's going to be a doozy. And I just want to thank Scott for calling me. This was unsolicited.

Scott called me. So thank you to Scott for calling me for offering this to come onto the show and present this for the first time anywhere. So I'm looking forward to finding out with you what is in this final report of the Las Vegas aliens case. It's going to be incredible. So look forward to that next week. I'm looking forward to it for sure. But until then, continue to follow along all over social media on TikTok, on Twitter, especially, is where I do most of my work there at UA Podcast 850. YouTube is at UAP.

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So for anybody who's waiting for a reply, it is coming. And if you have never sent me a message and would like to, you can do that. Anything out on your mind, your own story, questions, concerns, you love me, you hate me, something you have an idea about for the show. Whatever is on your mind. Feel free. S-D-N-R-U-A-P, that's S-D-I-N-E-R-U-A-P at Gmail.com is where you can send me a direct message, as well as all over any of the social media platforms I mentioned, too.

My DMs are open. So feel free to do that as well if you'd like. And of course, continue to follow the show through subscribing and downloading wherever you get your podcast in all the major platforms and updates on uappodcast.com as well. So on that note, thank you again so much for joining here today. Episode 87 had a great time and I really cannot wait until episode 88 was Scott Roto. I'm as excited as you. I think it's going to be a fantastic and very revealing conversation. So until then, it's Stephen Deiner here saying thank you again so much for everything, for taking to the show and for continuing to listen to it three years in now.

It's fantastic and you are fantastic. Can't wait to talk to you again soon. Until then, be well and have a great day. Stephen Deiner on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Thanks.