UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 89 Racing Towards Disclosure - Conversations with a Military Intelligence Insider

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

An old friend of the show and military intelligence analyst, "Anthony Williams," returns to discuss the validity of some of the most recent bombshell reports and sightings within the UAP community. Is the "Immaculate Constellation" program a real thing? And are we indeed racing towards unavoidable disclosure? Answers on all of that and more...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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disclosure? And so happy to be able to ask that question amongst many others with our old friend Anthony Williams here on the show. So what you're going to hear today is Anthony and myself. And if you haven't heard him before, he's fantastic. Anthony Williams, if you're new to this, that is not his real name. But he goes by Anthony Williams because he is active in military intelligence. He's a military intelligence analyst. He's, you know, a veteran, served this country many times.

And it's always so appreciative to have him on the show here to give his, uh, really incredible perspective that, you know, no one else really has. And I'm just so happy that he's willing to come on and give his perspective on some of the latest issues, the latest questions, the latest sightings and all these different stories that come out. And there was no shortage of that, as he and I discussed today, going over the recent videos and sightings coming out of Langley, which I found to be particularly interesting. And I couldn't wait to speak to him about because, as you'll hear us get into, he spoke about that here. The last time he was on the show, I believe, back in August. He's the one who told us about the sightings over Langley Air Force Base and around

the CIA headquarters of all these glowing orbs, swarms of them, in fact. And now that story is just starting to come out within the past week. So we do get into a lot of that, as well as the validity of some of the other reports out there, having to do with such things as the siting and supposed crash site in Washington, D.C. and siding to North Carolina recently. I know a lot of you have tagged me on those things, so I wanted to ask those questions and get his input on that. The supposed immaculate constellation, secret access program that Michael Schellenberger recently reported on, this reverse engineering and crash retrieval program out of the Pentagon. We get into some of those things.

Is NASA ready to have some type of disclosure? Are there really scientists who are racing to be the first one to release their findings? There's been that report recently. and what the heck is moving towards earth? There is an object moving towards earth. I know you've heard about that recently as well. And Anthony has some insights on that that I actually hadn't heard before.

And I was a little bit beside myself when he was answering those questions. So I was really, really happy to be able to touch on all these things. I've been wanting to report on these things for a couple of weeks now. And I was so happy to be able to have Anthony on here to help me report on these things and answer some of these questions for you. and quite honestly for myself too because there was a lot I was wondering about all these subjects. So I won't talk about it anymore.

Let's get into what Anthony Williams has to say in our discussion here today, which amounted to be part one. You'll hear as you get towards the end, we kind of just ran out of time. So there is much more to talk about, and we're going to be doing that next week. So enjoy part one here today of myself and Anthony Williams in this latest discussion surrounding all of the most recent news and sightings within the... the UAP community. Enjoy.

So happy to welcome back in here, the one, the only, Anthony Williams, who is now officially the most frequented guest here on UAP. Anthony, thanks for coming back here. On to the Unidentified Alien podcast.

Happy to have you back on. Yeah, it's great to be back. I really enjoy our discussions, both, you know, on these recordings, but, you know, all of our discussions in between. Always good conversation. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. And for making time, too. I know there's a lot of things going around in the peripherals of your everyday job of, you know, making sure things go well in the country and around the world. So it means a lot that you take the time to do this for sure. Now, getting into it, because there is a lot to get to. In fact, just to kind of pull back, I guess, the curtain a little bit on how this newest conversation took place and how we got here

today, you had called me up about a week ago and said, hey, there's a lot of stuff going on. And I said, I know, I see some of these things. And there is even more going on than what's out in front. So we're going to hit some of the things that are out in front right now that people have been mentioning and some things behind the scenes that you have found out in the recent days. So starting with some of the things that are out front. I want to pick up kind of where we left off where you broke the news here on UAP a couple months ago about glowing orbs, swarms.

I believe we talked about swarms of orbs that have been sighted flying over Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. And you mentioned that, you and I talked in great detail about what was being reported by pilots, by people on the ground, right all the above. A couple months later, we come to find out that now that's being reported and the videos have surfaced over the past few days of these glowing orbs flying over Langley Air Force Base. And a lot has been made about that. It's been reports in the Daily Mail, speculation about what it might be from Pentagon officials unnamed. So now it's out in the open, Anthony. So what is going on? What's the latest when it comes to this Langley Air Force Base situation?

Because it looks like it's being taken very seriously. Yeah. You know, it's being acknowledged. Taken seriously, I think is a different leap here. You know, when you have that many sightings for that length of time, violating airspace with impunity from qualified and trained observers. You know, this, this quickly becomes a mass citing incident of qualified observers and different, you know, venues, different outlets like your podcast and other things

like that that start reporting on this, acknowledging this. And just the people that are witnessing themselves saying what they're saying, it demands attention. So, you know, recently the Pentagon has commented on it. And a lot of the greater intelligence community is up in that area, very sensitive sites like we talked about months ago. What is a little alarming is, A, they're acknowledging that, yes, this is happening. And they even got into some detail about size and shape, how they're moving the lack of radio signature or any sort of communication to these objects, meaning that they are not being remotely piloted,

like we would see from any sort of unmanned aerial system, even emerging unmanned aerial systems anywhere around the planet, if it is being remotely piloted, meaning not autonomous. Yeah, that's a big deal. Because that's a really important point to make that. I think a lot of people haven't talked about yet, which is those autonomous signals are not there, meaning this isn't some type of unmanned drone, right?

Like someone's piloting this? Right. And so, you know, you can look at emerging technology and say, well, maybe it's an AI pilot. You know, maybe it's a different system like that. Sure, that's all possible, but they're not, these are not drones. And what spikes our interest in the Defense Department is anything that is capable of carrying a payload. some of these objects are 20 feet in length. Oh, wow.

And so when you have something that large, it is absolutely capable of carrying a payload. That requires interdiction on our part. Think of the Chinese, you know, hot air balloon that was capable of carrying a payload. It had a payload. It had a technical surveillance payload on it, quite sophisticated and required interdiction. And, you know, that's a different topic of debate. on when we interdicted it, should we have interdicted earlier, you know, all those different things. But the reality is this is absolutely something that would require more of a response than what it's getting.

And that is what's alarming to us on the inside and should be alarming to the public. This is a major issue and we are not responding as a whole of government the way we should be responding like we do to other things. Wow. Why do you think that is? Is it just now, okay, I know we always talk about, I don't get political here on the show, but I mean, we're talking about a leadership issue. I mean, is it similar to what we saw with the Chinese spy balloon where, you know, there would seem to be some type of confusion going on within the Pentagon during that time and they weren't really sure how to handle it, what to do, you know, let it traverse across the country? Is it that type of thing where they're just not really sure what to do about it? because they're just confused about what they're seeing, or is this being ignored to a certain extent? Yeah. They don't want too much to get out about it. Well, let me confirm for the audience what they probably already know

and just state that there's always confusion in the Pentagon all the time about every topic. And we try to get as clear a picture of something that we can. and as a defense department, as an intelligence community, we have working area where we can take certain actions to our own, you know, without seeking certain approval, we have certain permissions and authorities to do certain things. Certain things, especially over U.S. territory, we require the highest level of permission. So we're talking national capital, region, uh, region,

Pentagon level, uh, and ultimately, you know, president level. And so am I, am I putting a lack of response on, on the current administration?

Absolutely not. What I am saying is that, um, there's only three reasons that really come to mind why we're seeing the type of response we are either a, they know exactly what these things are. And so they have a very informed, decision that they're not willing to share with us. There's a reason why they do or are not doing

something and it is at a level of classification that that we just, their decision making seems erroneous and poor to the uninformed eye. Okay. So you have that, you have that possibility. The other possibility is that they don't know what they are and they're not sure what to do about it. Okay, that that is another real possibility. Is it, is it friendly? Is it adversary? Is it, you know, extraworldly? What, what is it? We don't know. So we're not going to do anything. And that can be judged and evaluated on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. And the third thing is the third possibility. You know what it is and we have a decision to do nothing, which then can be evaluated, you know, and opinions can be informed about whether that's a good or bad decision. But I think either we know or don't know.

And in my opinion, I feel like there is a major lack of response. And I think the greater intelligence community that I am a small part of would agree that there is a very alarming lack of appropriate response here. How concerning is that to you being in the position that you're in? I mean, is this something that you feel like this is, this is a really bad thing that it's not getting the response that it deserves. Like it could go south. I mean, what type of like consequences are we looking at here? Well, if you have a, if you have an unknown, let's say it's known, you have an unknown group of humans that want to come on to your property and into your house. and you don't know if they have good intent or bad intent.

And you're just not going to address it at all. And your wife looks at you and says, are you going to do some about these guys in the kitchen? And you say, I mean, they haven't demonstrated any hostile act yet. Your wife's going to look at you and say, I have a big problem with this. This is a really big problem.

We are letting them in our house. If they chose to do something bad, we don't even have anything on alert to interdict this. Your hands are in the sink washing dishes. These guys could do something right now. That is the mindset that I look at this. Okay, these objects don't obviously have any hostile intent right now,

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because they're not giving off that autonomous signal, that they are actually, they use the word drones in the report, coming down from a UFO mothership, that this is some type of surveillance from a UFO mothership and reporting back what they're, reporting their findings back.

That was, again, according to the Daily Mail UK, that's what a unnamed Pentagon officials said. Are you hearing anything about that on your end? So there are a lot of reports of swarms like this one that are very interested in water, whether they're coming from a mother ship from under the ocean surface or from outside the atmosphere, they're coming from somewhere. What they're not doing is retreating back to a logical location. They're not going back to a ship that's 100 miles off the coast that we can see.

So they're coming from somewhere and going somewhere, whether that's a mother ship in space. I think a lot of times a lot of these articles are in front. speculation. And I think that's healthy to you to just have a discussion. But, you know, at the same point, whenever I hear unnamed Pentagon officials, and heck, some of your audience might think that about me, and that's fine. But when someone makes extraordinary claims, you know, it requires extraordinary evidence. So, you know, if someone says, hey, these are coming from a mothership in our community, all right, that's fine, but we have exquisite clearance. Where is the reporting on that? Where are the reports? Where are the images? Where is the technical description of this mothership?

Or is this just someone read into a certain amount of information that is speculating? I think both are okay, but what I'd like to hear better is, hey, in my opinion, or I'm speculating, or I believe that this is a logical, you know, it's Occam's Razor, right? Whatever's the most likely scenario is probably what it is. And if it's someone just making that leap, that's okay. But I think it's fair to say that. But without any more information, I can't lend a whole bunch of credibility to it. That's absolutely fair because it is a huge, you know, thing to say. It's a pretty big allegation.

Also, do we know where these things are going? Because something you said that it kind of struck me, you know, we talk about if it's coming from mothership or they're coming from underwater, wherever it might be. We don't really hear about any type of tracking where these things end up. I mean, really, that's in any sighting. And I think that's for a few reasons. Number one, sometimes we end up observing that instantaneous acceleration. So maybe there is no way to track where they're going. But other times are flying over slowly.

And then they disappear from sight, right? We say some people say they see these whatever crap, any shape that goes up into this stratosphere and they don't see it anymore. Is there any type of indication when it comes to tracking and reporting that you've seen on your end that shows where any of these. craft go after somebody sees them, whether it's Langley or otherwise. Specifically in the Langley example and several other examples, what we're seeing a lot of reports are are appearing and disappearing. And that is, that doesn't mean it's just there. There are a lot of UAP that we are very recently identifying that operate and exist

and the infrared spectrum that are not necessarily visible to the human eye or are only faintly visible. So does it mean that they are appearing and disappearing, or does it mean that they are moving off the spectrum of the visible eye? Right. I don't know the answer to that. But I do know that specifically with the Langley incident, we don't have a point of origin and we don't have a point of return. So we don't see where they're coming from.

we don't see where they're ending, where they're culminating their activity. We're seeing a lot of quote unquote appear and disappear, which again could be just a change in the infrared spectrum in what is visible. But no, to answer your question with that one, I am not seeing any reporting on where these are originating, nor is the Pentagon in their public statements claimed any sort of origin or where they're returning to. which is another really big red flag for us not interdicting or at least investigating with rotary wing or fixed wing aircraft of any type, which we have in that area. So many questions on this. They could probably talk about this subject just for an hour alone.

But I'll move on to a couple of other things here. It's just unbelievable, really, when you think about the repercussions of what we're seeing. And everybody just kind of seems okay with, well, we're not really sure what it. it is. So move on with your day. Yeah. Well, and part of the problem that, you know, I think I know one of the other topics you're going to ask me about, but one of the other problems is, you know, one of our key spokesmen right now for the Pentagon is an Air Force general. And the Air Force has been extremely tight-lipped on this subject to the point of just burying heads in the sand and complete denial, not even acknowledging what other branches of the service are openly admitting and

reporting. I think that's a problem. When you have someone born of a branch of service that is demonstrated their lack of transparency on this subject, it would be a fool's errand to assume we're going to get transparency on any subject relating to this. Yeah, that's fair. That's John Kirby, right? Am I getting that right?

Yep. Okay. No, John Kirby is actually Navy. Okay. It's a two-star general right now that's what we call in the Army green suit, but in the Air Force they call it a blue suit, you know, the actual military rep. Gotcha. Okay, got you.

Well, again, I can talk about that forever, but I did want to go on to a recent sighting. I was getting tagged in this a lot, and I really wanted to bring it up to you. In fact, again, just to kind of go behind the scenes here, If you and I weren't able to connect, which I'm very thankful that we were, I was going to come on myself and go solo just to address these things because there's so much that's happened within the past couple weeks. And one of them was this siting that I was tagged in on TikTok. I was tagged in on Twitter of people saying, hey, dude, have you seen this?

What is it? And it's these sightings that supposedly took place in D.C. and the North Carolina within the past week of people saying there was elevated police presence, around the Capitol and there were helicopters circling around the D.C. area showing that people had seen in North Carolina and D.C. some type of craft that was streaking across the sky and crashing. And supposedly ending up in some type of crash retrieval operation. I don't know really what to make of this. My first inclination, Anthony, if you don't mind, I'll just throw it out here is I think this is kind of being pieced together with different circumstances that surround

different things and people are kind of putting it together to say that this is what it is. I don't think one thing relates to the other. I kind of think that this is a case of mistaken identity, but I could be wrong. What are you hearing or what do you think on your end? Yeah, I agree. You know, years ago I fell victim to the same thing. And I know I've shared you this story jokingly, but I pulled over on the side of the road in Florida when I was down there for work along with about a hundred other people and we were all

jaw dropped looking at, you know, a UFO what we all thought was a UFO and we're taking cell phone videos and all these things only to later find out that it was the good year blimp over a football game. Oh, nice. So, you know, do I believe people saw something? Absolutely. Do I believe it was moving across the sky? Sure. What I do know is, after seeing these reports, and I had friends of mine sending me these things as well, you know, what we have not seen is any sort of recovered, you know, object that fell and crashed. It's also confirmed that, yes, there was an increased police presence.

Yes, there were other vehicles around, but why that is, I don't know. That could be a number of different things. Again, without more information, it goes up to one of those unfortunate observations that people saw something, they don't know what it is, and I don't know that unless there was just an extreme motivation to dispel a rumor from someone that didn't know, hey, this was a, you know, a drone or an aircraft or, you know, or, hey, there was an event at the Capitol and we had increased security. Here's proof that this is what it was. Unless there was a motivation to dispel these rumors, these will probably go unacknowledged by anyone in any official capacity.

So I don't know that we'll ever get to the bottom of what that is. Yeah, that's fair. And I mean, were there any reports on your end of some type of crash in the D.C. area or no, no chatter on that at all? No, none, none on our end. Nothing official coming in. Now, I say that. Normally I would see something, but there are some reports, some of like what we're going to talk about a little bit later.

Yeah. Our stuff that comes in goes through the intelligence community churn and doesn't actually come out in official reporting until much, much later. So, you know, could it be something like that? Sure. But there would be more, we'd be hearing more than nothing right now. Going on to hear to the next one as we moved down the list of recent events. One thing that broke and credit to trying to think of who came out. with the story and I apologize.

I don't have it in front of me because I wanted to give them credit with this Immaculate Constellation story. Oh, it's Schellenberger. That's right. Michael Schellenberger who came out with the story and caught everybody off guard. And the story goes, in case someone's not familiar with it, this Immaculate Constellation code name refers to a reverse engineering and crash retrieval program within the Pentagon, I believe.

That goes, it's basically a black budget program. It goes without oversight. It goes, you know, without budget, overseeing the budget or anything like that. It's a black site program. And that's the accusation. That's the report from Michael Schellenberger saying that a whistleblower has come out to say that this program exists and has existed for a long time. So that sends shockwaves down the UAP community recently. What have you heard about Immaculate Constellation, Anthony?

Can you speak to that at all? And what might be going on behind the scenes and what we might find out later on? Yeah, you know, another Wednesday, another whistleblower, right? That with no name and no background, I really hope this is true. And if multiple people that are claimed to have knowledge of this are going to come forward, this would be extraordinary and would validate so many claims made for decades. So personally, I hope this is true. An extraordinary claim, again, requires extraordinary evidence of which none of us have seen.

Supposedly it exists. Supposedly, it has been handed over to people. I hope all that's true. I really do. What got me a little bit more curious, again, was the official DOD response. The, you know, the response from the Department of Defense is not, it's, it's what really made me turn my head and think maybe there's something more to this. There's not just an open denial. What they said, and words matter when you want to go after someone later for perjury or lying.

What they said is that they have no official record of this program. Well, that's because it's an unacknowledged sap. We have a lot of unacknowledged saps. How many do we have? I don't know, because they're unacknowledged. And there's a reason why people that aren't on them don't have access to them, and there's a reason why there's not any official reporting on something that is unacknowledged. In most cases, they have closed networks of computers that are used that are then destroyed when the program's over.

there's never an official record. So for them to say, well, we have no official record, they should have just said there is no unacknowledged sap of that name, but they didn't say that. They said we have no official record. To me, that's like,

but you shouldn't have, you shouldn't have an official record. So that doesn't mean it's not a thing. That just means that there's no, if someone was going to submit a freedom of information act request, a FOIA request, they would not get anything because there's no official record. That's why we have special access programs. That's why we have unacknowledged special access programs.

And even with an unacknowledged SAP, there are people that are brought on wittingly, and there are people that are brought on unwittingly. There might be someone working a problem and they are given something to look at. And hey, you're looking on this to see if it does. this, hey, look at this and see if that does that as well. They might not even be aware that they're on the problem or on the project. But there are people that will know that they're on the project and there are people that will come and go and retire and take that to their grave. But there will never be an official report on an unacknowledged step. So it's very curious to me

that the Department of Defense chose to use those words rather than just denying that it exist flat out. It's a really smart observation and one that I think a lot of people like myself, right? I mean, if you're just a layperson, if you're someone who's into the topic and you're kind of in passing reading an article about it on, you know, from Michael Schellenberger or if you're seeing someone post about it on social media, you don't really think about that aspect of it. You don't, you don't read that quote and think to yourself, well, that's interesting because why

wouldn't they just deny it? Because of course it's going to be, it's not going to be. it's not going to be on the record. So it's a really good observation, Anthony, and it's one worth thinking about, I'd say, you know, maybe there is something there that they kind of tipped us off to just because of the way that they answer to it.

I mean, do you think they answered that way because there might be something there that they can't acknowledge, don't want to acknowledge, or was it careless? I mean, would they be careless in their words like that? It's usually pretty well-crafted. right? Well, it's very well crafted. And the NASA report and Sean Kirkpatrick, these guys are masters of the minute detail in their words to cover them whenever something comes out evidence

of the contrary to what they said. And the small words matter. And again, if they would have just flat out denied it, I would have said, okay, well, we're going to have to wait to see what this evidence is. But when they said that there's no official report, there's no known program or official program, of course there's not. It was just stated that it's an unacknowledged SAP. Why would you say that like that? Again, that's not, that is not what I would have expected to hear from someone that is going to flat out deny something that's not there. If someone's going to deny something that's not there. They're just going to say, that's not there, that's not a thing next question.

Yeah. But the fact that they said it that way and the fact that there is the claim of evidence that none of us have seen, this could all be smoking mirrors. I'm not saying it's not. But the way that was refuted was very suspicious to me. That is not how I would have expected to hear that refuted. Yeah, that's definitely worth noting. We'll have to keep an eye on that one because just to kind of finish up on Immaculate Constellation. Oh, one thing I want to add to, Stephen, that was a prepared statement. That's not a guy like me or you being questioned and flying off the cuff and maybe misspoke or just said something. That was a prepared statement.

That means that was written for him. It was reviewed by multiple people. And what we have on every staff is a legal team. That got a legal review. So that's, that's not. not someone just miss speaking or they can say, oh, you know what? Yes, I said that that way, but I didn't mean it that way. Nope. It's not a live interview. This is not off the cuff. That was a prepared statement. Well, no, that's really important to note because that means

it was intentional. So essentially it was a denial without a being an official denial. Correct. Wow. Okay. Well, it was an official denial with a way to save face if they're ever proven different. Fair enough. And we might see something different on it because just to give credit to Jeremy Corbelle and George Knapp, they were talking about this recently on their end. And they mentioned November 13th as for the congressional hearing. And Corbello had mentioned that, you know, the world will find out more. At least that's the plan behind the scenes. That's what he says. We'll see if that comes to fruition. But if there is something to Immaculate Constellation,

Maybe we do find out more from whoever is going to be on that panel during the congressional hearing. Yep, I agree. I agree. There's a lot that could go one way or the other in between now and then. I definitely know that for the last congressional hearings, there were a lot more whistleblowers that ended up cold feet or whatever not coming forward and testifying at the last minute. So, you know, there's a lot that could happen in between now and then. But I really, like I said, I hope this is true. That would validate a lot of, you know, a lot of other claims made over the decades.

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So going on to another very curious thing that happened over the past a couple of weeks, apparently there is some type of mothership coming right towards Earth. So in case anyone's not familiar with the story, this actually came out from someone that I've had on the show before, Pavel, who does a really good job with his own podcast as well. and he was on with on the on the vetted podcast with Patrick who is a friend of the show here and they were actually talking with a couple of other people about this object that supposedly being reported by NASA scientists as coming toward Earth a large object that seems to be under some type of intelligent control so the question here Anthony is are you getting reports about this object and is something actually. coming toward Earth that seems to be under intelligent control? Yeah, so there are a lot of variables when you're talking deep space, interstellar space, different things that, you know, can react or act with the trajectory of an object moving through

it, different gravitational pulls from different systems. The claims made is that this object has adjusted trajectory in a way that, that would not make sense, i.e. it didn't pass near a large object with a gravitational pull. So, yes, that is curious. The other thing is the change in acceleration. Something that is moving through interstellar space with a known velocity, there are only a few things that would affect the speed, the acceleration or deceleration, and the change in trajectory.

And the thing that is raising people's eyebrows is this object is not near those things that would explain a change in direction and a change in velocity. What the object is, being that NASA is not the part of the government that I work for, nor is Space Force or Air Force for that matter. I don't know. There are a lot of claims of what it could be. I think that falls again into the category of educated speculation. You know, I don't think we have we have some grifters and, you know, speculators that, you know, are looking for clicks and, you know, different things like that.

But this is one of those that is definitely there. It's definitely doing what it's doing. and if someone knows more about it, they're not talking. And we're not seeing it is not what would fall into the plate of concern for what me and my team would look at or worry about. But I do know that, A, it is an object, B, it is heading our direction. I don't know if it's on a collision course with Earth,

but it's coming to our neighborhood for sure. And it is changing trajectory or has changed trajectory in the past. And it has also altered its speed. So all those things are true. All those things are true. And it's done it in a way that that isn't easily explainable. You know, some things are, there's other forces out there that we might discover later that, you know, explained why it did that.

You know, I don't know if you've heard the story of the second moon that's been orbiting Earth. Right, right. So there's a reason why it's orbiting Earth and then why it's going to go away. You know, 200 years ago, we might not have had the understanding of why that happens and why that goes that way. We're making breakthroughs in science and technology every day. So while this seems really unexplainable now, I've not heard from anybody that would know exactly what it is. And I've not heard from anybody that would know explaining why it's able to do what it's done. So is it a mothership?

Is it a huge object? I don't know. But it is a thing. And I think we're going to see at some point exactly what it is. That's fascinating to say the least. I mean, I wasn't even really sure if the story itself, and not to put down Pavel or Patrick, because they both do great work, like you said, you know, friends of the show here, but you never know what type of information you're being fed sometimes.

Maybe it's incomplete. Maybe it's unintentionally wrong. So to find out there actually is something out there to confirm that report, there is something out there. It is coming towards our neighborhood. It's changing speed. It's changing its trajectory in ways that we can't really explain. that in itself is unbelievably fascinating. So at that point, we really can just only take a guess

unless someone is willing to come out with some type of insight information on this. Yeah, no, I agree. And again, it could be completely benign, could be a mothership, you know, it could be Elvis. I don't know. But, you know, at this point, it's a thing.

it to me when we're talking about these other UAP that we know are here and we know are operating here it seems like if that thing's getting here that way doesn't necessarily seem to follow

the same way these other craft are traveling but maybe it is maybe these motherships park in a blind spot that we have and all these other UAP originate from it? I have no idea. No idea. I'm just as, you know, as interested as everybody else.

Yeah, we'll have to keep up on that and I guess keep our eyes toward the sky as always. And any timeline on that, Anthony? I mean, have you heard about, you know, as far as the velocity of which it's moving and how far away it is? Have there been any calculation? When it's getting here? Yeah. So, supposedly, supposedly, the. the images from all of our space telescopes have this thing really far away.

I don't know if that means five months, five years, five decades, 500 years. So there's just a lot of variables with that on how it's being measured and everything. Oh, yeah, a ton. Yeah. Well, man, that is something, though. Definitely something to keep an eye on for sure. I'm almost positive that we'll catch up on that one on a later date as well. But going on to one of the other things that's out there, it kind of might relate to this,

actually. More reports. Again, there was so much, it's just within the past really week and a half, that apparently there's some talk behind the scenes between NASA scientists, kind of sticking with NASA, that they have the answers. They have proof. They are ready to come out and say we are not alone in the universe. We have proof of NHI, otherworldly craft. We're going to tell you about it, but we don't know when. And there's reports, supposedly, Anthony, that there is this race going on behind the scene, a space race, if you will, behind the scenes

with these NASA scientists on who's going to be first to release this information. Is this complete BS? What are we looking at here? I mean, or is there really something maybe that connects to this object that's hurtling towards us at an unknown rate? What have you heard behind the scenes on this?

What I will take to my grade? is that NASA knows more than they're sharing and the Air Force knows more than what they're sharing. And I think the best evidence that we have of that are the actual astronauts that flew in space saw things and then dedicated the golden years of their life to set the record straight when they feel they are safe from any sort of repercussions or blowback from them coming out and talking, you know, younger in their career, tight-lipped, non-disclosure agreements, sure. But NASA 100% their focus, Space Force is celestial looking back into Earth. NASA is Earth looking up and out into the cosmos.

So they would absolutely have more information than what they're sharing on this. whether there's a debate behind the scenes between scientists, to me, what makes logical sense is no matter where they are in NASA, if they did discover and find it, it would be under the same restrictions as any other information that they already have. So while there might be a race to find it, I still don't know that that means that we get to find out about it. Yeah. Wow.

Man, it's just this was all, again, within the past week and a half or so. I really wanted to touch on all this, again, either on my own, preferably with you. So I'm glad I got to do it with you because it's just been like one thing after the other. Does it feel like a whirlwind, Anthony? Does it feel like, you know, kind of on your side of the fence, if you will, does it feel like you're dealing with more of these things than ever as far as the reports go and the sightings and everything like that? To me, yes. to me it feels like a pressure cooker.

And I don't know that I'm adequately explaining this. There's so much that is getting reported from so many qualified observations, whether it's human, whether it's technical signal, satellite, radar, whatever it is, there's it feels like a pressure cooker about to blow the lid off it would be like how i feel right now it'd be like if the government came out and said hey i know we've said some things but area 51's not real and everyone else said no but you showed us picked like i can drive you there i know where it is no not real not a thing that is uh that's private property and you're going to get arrested and trespass and if you go there. There's so much evidence that Area 51's real and it's publicly

acknowledged now that they could not they could not say that today. I feel like we're at a point where the pressure cooker's about to explode and they're not going to be able to just flat out deny, you know, and I think that goes towards the lines of what some people describe as catastrophic disclosure. That pressure cooker blows, they're just not going to be able to deny it anymore, and they will lose credibility if they do. Any government agency, whether it's the Air Force, DoD, Pentagon, National Security Council, anyone that would stand in front of an audience and say, Area 51 is not real, would lose all credibility. No one would believe them. And so we're getting real close to the point where organizations like Arrow, these spokespersons that are speaking on

behalf of other government agencies, they are danger close to losing credibility. And I feel like Arrow may have already crossed that line with their statements and their reporting. When they mention that there's 171 unknown on, you know, unexplainable sightings, but let's talk about these 15 that we were able to write off. No, let's talk about those 171 that you have no clue what they are. Let's talk about that. It's great point. And it's crickets.

You know, so they're losing their credibility account and the bank is depleting, if not bankrupt. And I feel like if this pressure cooker kicks off, it is almost palatable right now. Yeah. If this thing blows the lid, anyone that wants to refute or take a hard line of this not being real or that, they're going to lose all credibility real quick. Yeah, it's really intriguing to hear you say that because it feels like that to me, and I think a lot of people feel it.

I think we all kind of feel it. It's like one of those six cents type of things. We kind of feel in our bones like there's something coming. This doesn't feel normal, the amount of news. and notes and sightings that have been taking place lately. Like there's just, it just feels different. Now, maybe that's a psychological aspect where we're telling ourselves that because we're excited about the prospects of some news coming out

or some type of discovery being made. But it does feel like, kind of like you said, this pressure cooker that's just getting ready to blow, you can't help but to feel like kind of in your gut. Like there's just more coming. And we're experiencing something that maybe we've never seen before. for. I completely agree. And, you know, if you look at any sort of activity or adversary activity, when we see a spike, we always ask ourselves the question, is this happening more or are we just

aware of it more and we're paying attention more? Right. This falls into the category. Like, you know, well, we're, you know, in the news right now is Hezbollah, Hamas, and, you know, the Houthis, you know, conducting all these non-state attacks. Well, are they, are they, are they making more attacks or are we just aware of it now because of what happened last October 7th, you know, a little over a year ago? Well, no, we know that we are, A, more aware of it, but B, there's also more of these things happening. So, you know, regardless of how you feel about that, that's just a reality. I think we're in the same exact boat. I feel like we are more aware of it. Enough credible people have come forward with their account. And so we're more aware of it and more

people are less fearful of being labeled or written off or losing credibility within their own circles in their own community. So yes, I think there is an increase in reporting, but also there's a very large increase of activity. You know, you and I talked months ago about the Langley incident. And it's just one case over military, very sensitive military locations. We're still not hearing people talk about the most recent settings around nuclear facilities. And I know that there's another one you and I are going to talk about here. We're not hearing that yet. But we weren't hearing about Langley until now we're hearing about it.

And so I think it's both. I think we're more aware of it. People are more willing to talk. But there is also a big uptick and activity. Yeah. I think it's a really good perspective to have there. Because again, you know, I don't know. am I going crazy?

Because I feel like there's just so much more going on. So it's good to hear that I'm not going crazy because, again, I really do think we all feel that same thing happening right now. And on that note, I did want to get to some of the other reports that aren't being talked about. So we covered all the things here that have been coming up over the past couple weeks. So maybe we can get to some of the things that people don't really know about, haven't heard about yet that you're seeing on your end in military intelligence. Do you still have time to do that?

I know we've been going a while already here. I have time tomorrow. Okay. I've got to, I hate this. I got a break for today. I wish I had more time, but I've got a break for today.

But I do have time. I'm driving to the airport at 8 a.m. tomorrow and my flight's not until 1140. And so I have hours tomorrow morning. And we probably only need about 45 minutes to cover that stuff. Yeah, let's do it. Well, it's part two. So look forward to it.

Yeah. It's a part two coming up in the coming days with Anthony Williams as we go over some of the new things that are also kind of old will make it make sense when we talk about it. But it's things that haven't been out in the open before that we're just starting to learn about. So until then, Anthony, thanks so much for coming on here. Do you, I did have one more question. Do you have like 30 seconds? Yeah.

Sure. Do you feel like we're racing towards disclosure at the pace that we're going at? So let's talk about, you know, what we've talked about. And man, I really hate that I even put my name or my fake name to this date. But, you know, I saw a report that is now almost three years old. And not a report. It was a briefing. And in there, it had a graduated timeline that after October of this year, we are in a post-disclosure environment.

Now, a lot of things change in three years, right? Is this the November 13 hearings? Is this one of these whistleblowers that has been known for a while that's coming out? I feel like we are, I feel like we're on a collision course with disclosure. And at this point, so we have a battle drill in the military that if we are being overrun, if one of our headquarters or camps are being overrun, we have a battle drill that we do in our operation centers where we try to sterilize everything sensitive,

destroy radios, burn or destroy classified information, and then we leave. So it's like a last-ditch effort to make sure that nothing super valuable is leaked. I feel like that's what we're seeing. I feel like this is an irreversible trajectory towards disclosure. And right now all the people that are in the know are scrambling to destroy the maps, destroy the material,

or do whatever they can to control how this disclosure, how this pressure cooker blows up. If you have a bomb, you can diffuse the bomb, you can deliberately detonate the bomb, but you have to figure out how you're going to address the bomb. I feel like they're trying to contain, if you have to blow it up, you want to do it in a safe manner, you want to get people out of the way,

you want to minimize collateral damage. I feel like that's why. what's happening right now. I feel like there is a big effort to minimize the negative effects of this irreversible trend towards disclosure. Again, that is 100% just my opinion. Really good stuff. Anthony Williams,

thanks so much for doing this. Always truly appreciate your unique perspective. And the fact that, again, that I said at the beginning, I'll say it again now that you take the time to do this for the show, for the listeners. I know I'm not the only one who appreciates it. So thanks so much for coming back. back on here at you APM. We'll talk again very soon for part two to go over some of the other

reports that we didn't even get to touch on today. So thanks so much. Sounds really good. Looking forward to it, Steve. And have a good one. Thanks, you too. Just fantastic. Always enjoy. I always feel like they get better and better too, like with the conversations that we have. And hopefully you feel that way as well, just with the information and the perspective that we're able to gain from Anthony. So thank you again to him for coming on. And I can't wait for us to talk again next week. We'll have two out next week, barring any unforeseen circumstances on either one of our schedules. But just so fascinating to hear some of that stuff, really all of it.

I mean, when we talk about, you know, he mentioned October, what he saw in that briefing. What are we going to see from there? Will it be later this month? Will it be November? Will it be sometime before the end of this year? You know, there's so many different variables that play into this. So what will that, on that briefing, talked about post-disclosure, what will that look like? What does that even mean?

So those are some of the things that still remain to be seen. And again, the fact, you probably heard the surprise in my voice that there really is something heading toward Earth. And we're not really sure what it is because it's so far out there. So are we looking at months, years, decades, centuries, before whatever this is that's heading this way, or at least our neighborhood, as Anthony put it, when will we find out what that is? But man, it's so interesting to hear that, yeah, there really is something out there. And it is coming this way. It's changing its speed. It's changing its trajectory, and they're not really sure how that's happening or why.

So there's still a lot of things to keep an eye on. And then to get that confirmation that I know you've probably been feeling as well as I have, that we are really living through some unprecedented times here when it comes to UAP and NHI disclosure. It really does feel like we're heading towards something big that we keep learning more and more at an accelerated pace unlike we've ever seen before within this situation, within this discussion and this reality. So I was glad to get that confirmation from him where he kind of equated it to that pressure cooker.

Like eventually the lid's going to blow. So what type of disclosure, what type of explosion are we going to be looking at? Is it contained or is it going to be possibly that catastrophic disclosure that people have spoken about? So cool to get that perspective and to hear that, again, confirmation that. I'm not the only one feeling that because, again, I'm sure you are as well. So it just feels like we're really kind of hurtling towards something here. Not to mention all the other cases that we haven't even been able to present to you that we're going to talk about in part two next week.

So absolutely stay tuned for that because it is really, really compelling stuff to consider. These are all, by the way, pilot sightings, fighter pilot sightings, you know, documented stuff from high-level witnesses who were able to give incredibly detailed reports. on some sightings that have gone unnoticed before. But these are legit reports that we're going to be able to talk to you about next week on part two. So really enjoyed this one. It's just a fantastic conversation to get all this information and a lot of things to still consider as we move along into part two and many other scenarios that I'm sure are still yet to play out. But until then, continue to download the show and subscribe if you please. And also rate it if you are enjoying it and you haven't been able to rate it or haven't.

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