UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 90 First Time Reveal of Unreported Military Sightings

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

Anthony Williams rejoins the show to impart his knowledge on several different never before heard sightings from military personnel. You will hear six different stories that have not been presented to the public until now...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Stephen Deaner back with you here, as always, on UAP, the Unidentifieded Alien podcast. Thanks so much for coming back and for listening again. And we are now going to enter back into our conversation with Anthony Williams. That's who you heard right there. Of course, he was on the show last week, and we ran out of time because we were discussing all the latest happenings in the UAP universe and the UAP world. And he was kind enough to go and, you know, come on here and give us his insight like he always does. But what we never got, what we were never able to get to was his exclusive information. These are unreported sightings that, well, have gone unreported for lack of a better term.

These are things that he has been investigating on his end in the military intelligence spectrum. These are some of the things that he's been analyzing. These are the unidentified sightings in some of them going back 14 years even that are just now starting to come out in reports on his end. So everything you're going to hear today in this part two episode are all the stories that we did not have time to get to in part one. And you're going to hear six different stories. And when I mean different, I'm talking different. These have appeared nowhere else. These sightings, these authenticated reports from high-level witnesses, fighter pilots, private pilots, passenger jet pilots.

I mean, we're talking about in the air sightings from different pilots of all walks of life. Incredible. First-hand, detailed, very detailed accounts. And that's what made these so special and unique as well. again all by highly trained individuals and never before released never before told until today so I'm looking forward to you hearing all these different accounts six different stories told in kind of rapid fire succession and the reason why we did that is because I only had about 45 minutes to cover all this with Anthony when we recorded this episode I could have probably gone for two hours just on these six stories because there is so um fascinating really and all those different little details and the minutia and how they all connect as well. So you'll hear Anthony go through these never before heard stories before from, again, all these sightings from highly trained credible individuals that he's been investigating on his end. And then by the end of those, I jump in and ask some

follow-up questions. And I'll come back to, at the end of the episode, I'll come back on like I always do, just to recap some of the things. There were some questions left unanswered just because there was some info that was missing and we ran out of time. So I'm going to fill in a couple of gaps as well at the end of our conversation when I come back on to wrap things up. But without any further ado, let's go ahead and join part two here, myself with Anthony Williams, these six never before heard stories of unreported sightings. Enjoy. Anthony, thank you so much for coming back on to continue the conversation and go over these, unreported sightings.

Yeah, no, thanks for having me back again. And, you know, the last week when we talked, it was really, I thought, a really good discussion just on everything that's kind of happening in real time. But, you know, as I went through my notes and all the reporting that we're seeing, both historically and recent history, I kind of, I'm kind of looking at this one is, this is kind of the juicy fun stuff that everyone wants to hear about, right? And, you know, it's cool to have the discussion of what's going on and what we think about it. But this is, you know, this is just kind of some of the juicy details of, you know,

some of the stuff that we're seeing on our end. And, you know, hopefully people find it interesting like I do when I see this. And we do some analysis on it and, you know, work on it. And, you know, these are just some of the wild wazi ones that are coming across our desk for sure. Yeah. I love it, man. That's, I look forward to it too. Like you said, you know, all the juicy details and what you guys have that comes across your desk that nobody else sees or hears about in the news or on social media.

So we'll go ahead and I guess kind of jump into it because there's there's quite a few that have come across your desk lately. And I guess one of them, what I found interesting here is if I could maybe just start with the earliest one. And I say that because you would think if we're going to talk about unreported sightings in the public spectrum anyway, we would be talking about things that, you know, have happened within the past few weeks or the past month, things like that. Some of these go back to 2010 that you just started hearing about that are just kind of starting to make waves for you guys that you're getting information on. And by the way, I wanted to say, too, that our first conversation was greatly received. I mean, I got a ton of messages of people saying how much they appreciate you and what you do and the information that you're able to give. So people loved it. I just want to let you know that, that everybody loves what you're doing here on UAP.

So I guess we'll see what we can. Thank you for that. Yeah. And that what we come up with here on these sightings. So like I said, starting in 2010, there was something that you were giving the information about dating back to August 10th, 2010 in Afghanistan. I'm glad you kind of set the stage that way. So what's interesting in a couple of these. these events fit that exact model that you just described.

So when we have raw information or raw intelligence come in, sometimes it goes through a churn and an utilut, before it actually comes out in official reporting. So yeah, sometimes there is a lag, which I alluded to last week, you know, when we were talking about the North Carolina, D.C. sightings, I alluded to the fact that, hey, you know, maybe nothing happened, but maybe something did.

and there may be some churn. Like some of the things we're going to talk about today, the flash to bang on when these events happened to when they hit official reporting, you know, is quite some time. And there could be a myriad of reasons for that. But yeah, along that same vein, this is some of the first time that we're hearing, you know, these discussions, these reports. So I can jump all the way back to the 2010 one that was going to wait a little bit.

a little bit, but let's talk about that one first, and then I'll move forward from there, I guess. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. So that incident was in Pactica, Afghanistan, which Pactica province is, you know, highly populated, very homogeneous, large tribal network area. And we had a lot of U.S. involvement there, a lot of basing, and a lot of sensors to grab counter-rocket, counter-missile, counter-mortar, counter-artillery. had a lot of sensors in the area and we had people 24 hours a day monitoring that that equipment. So it doesn't surprise me that this report came in.

To your point, what was shocking was the flash to bang on how long it took for us to get. But, you know, this incident happened on August 10th, you know, 14 years ago, almost a little over, actually. And it was at 2.30 in the morning, local time. and what witnesses saw was a bright sphere with a gray cloud around it, no sound. And it was relatively close over the base. And then almost in an instant, it disappeared. We've heard that term disappear before, you know. But the sensor's not picking up that it moved in any direction.

We have counter-radar systems there, meaning it can pick up the movement of an object and detect its point of origin and where it may impact if you're thinking about an artillery shell or a mortar round. But this did not appear, it didn't appear to be coming from anywhere. It just appeared. Had that gray cloud around it to the witnesses at night and then disappeared as fast as it came. Seconds later, trying to identify where that thing may have gone or what it was that they were even seen, people on the base reported seeing an elongated diamond looking like a pyramid on top of an upside down pyramid, the color of which was gun metal black.

It's not the first time we've seen that shape either. The items of that shape have been reported before. There have been AI recreations of this type of shape. They reported it being about the size of a school bus standing on end, had no lights, and was silently spinning in place. rotating as it were, not end over end, but like a football with the vertices being pointed up and down. Again, that shape disappeared. Seconds after that, 10 to 20 white orbs first appeared at about the altitude of the International Space Station and came in and out of the atmosphere, some of them in formation, some making random maneuvers similar

to a j-hook silent moving approximately one to two thousand miles per hour coming into the atmosphere right over the base and then moving up out of the atmosphere again um and these these were white orb in shape extremely bright erratically moving um and that is uh that is the report on that one um which didn't make it into official reporting until this year uh for whatever reason on on the on the on the government side that one just got released wow um so very very interesting talking that flash to bang of incident versus reporting um let's go a little bit a little bit more recent we've got october um October of 2015 okay this is over hampton roads Virginia which of note hampton roads very, very similar to Langley.

And there's been a lot of, you know, a lot of stuff in the news about the drones. I would like to remind everyone that the first reports coming out about Langley were not drones. They were orbs, similar to what we just talked about in Pactica. Okay. This over the same area, Hampton Roads area in Virginia, which is nestled in between about 15 military installations in that area.

over a vehicle traveling between bases, a triangular object maneuvered right over the vehicle with two people inside. There were two lights on each corner of this triangular shape and one light in the center. So again, although this report is dated nine years ago, since then, we have seen a lot more reporting of triangular shapes with lights on the bottom of of the object. Okay, so this is just another one, but it predates a lot of what we've heard. The object, the triangle object, started to move away from the vehicle

off to the driver's side, and it was incredibly large. Yeah. And it was a pyramid in shape, with the rear being having a solid rectangle on it, and what appeared to be two large exhaust ports. Both of these ports, contained seven spoke lights that were yellow, flashing in intervals between three to five seconds.

And between these two ports was a rectangle, a rectangle shape that glowed red, again, making no noise. And while they seem to be ports of some sort, it isn't really sure if they were propulsion ports, or if they were just ports off the side or off the rear of that object. The craft made no sound while moving and moved alongside the vehicle before it listed away and then took off in a forward direction, being those exhaust ports pointing to the rear. So another interesting report. Again, the type of object that we've seen in other reporting, but this, you know, this dates it back. This one goes back. That was at 445 in the morning.

and it was someone, the person reporting was doing security checks on multiple bases that identified that and submitted that report. It's incredible, incredibly detailed too on both of those. I know we got more, but that's what's striking me so far with both of these. These are incredibly detailed reports. This isn't like someone, and no offense when I say this, but this isn't, I'm just making distinctions between the scenarios. This isn't like somebody in their backyard who says, I saw a weird light in the sky and then it disappeared. These are, you know, which is odd enough, and a lot of people have that experience. So again, you know, if that's what you're experienced by all means.

But these are extremely detailed, shape of the craft, velocity of the craft, you know, the characteristics of the craft. How long, you know, duration of the siding. This is incredible stuff, Anthony. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, we're going to jump a few years forward here. But again, along the same thread, similar to things that we've seen in other areas, this report. I agree. The amount of detail in these is what prompted me to call you the first time.

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The next one fast forward is very interesting. Slightly disdemeanor, disturbing and something we have also seen before going back 50, 60, 70 years. So this, these incidents happen between June and July of 2021 around the Birdsboro power plant in Pennsylvania. So for anyone that's listening, you can do a quick Google search and see where that is and kind of get an idea of what we're talking about. So the first incident took place between 4 p.m. and 6 p.m. in June of 2021. It was a 40-foot mirrored orb hovering south of the Birds Burdsboro power plant in Pennsylvania. It appeared to be silvery white with a brushed metal finish, and it was maneuvering erratically in a horseshoe pattern,

meaning that it would be far away, move close to the power plant, and then move away, and then it would repeat this in reverse multiple times for two hours. It was about tree top level and the arc of the horseshoe would be closest to the plant and then it would move away. Sometimes with a pause as it got closer or a slowing effect and then it would speed up away and then repeat this pattern. This went on for hours. Multiple observers saw it and reported it. A week later, a 45 to 60 foot black triangle hovered stationary to the north of the plane. So the first sighting was to the south of the plant.

This was north of the plant. Hovered stationary. The bottom center had a ball that glowed orange and would rotate colors, kind of fade in and out between orange and red. Again, no sound. And it appeared to the observers that when the object realized it was being viewed, it disappeared instantly. So whether that's one person going, getting other people, once the craft, it appeared that once it was recognized that it was being looked at, it disappeared.

And we talked about that last time, that word disappear. Does that mean it instantly just vanished or does it mean that it changed its signature? So it was no longer viewable. But to the observer, it appeared as though it just disappeared. That's incredible. Super interesting there. Let's fast forward a little bit more into recent times. This is last year.

21 July, what's interesting is the file date that this got put out was October 10th. So this went through, all of these went through full vetting, but this one more recent, we normally see a quicker flash to bang from analysis to final report. This one came out in October of this year. of an incident that took place on 21 July over Juniper, Florida, and the Indian River Lagoon in Florida. So this is an airline pilot that noticed outside his cockpit window, three amber lights, he said, as bright as landing lights like he would expect to see

at an airport far away to grab his attention. They were northbound, and the objects were about, 10 miles away, which as far as aircraft goes, that is not far at all. That is within a pattern. So it's within their view of observance for sure. The lights were about a few hundred feet apart from each other. And they were not on any of their radar display, nor was air traffic control picking up these objects on any of their radar. But they were visible and flying along with them and at one point it appeared as these three objects turned off their lights. What's interesting is they were still visible because of the light pollution from the ground.

And what they saw was that these three objects appeared to be stainless steel type material because they were reflecting the lights off the ground as they would fly over the ground. They could see the reflection in the objects reflecting the lights from the ground. So while they shut off their lights, they were still viewable. For the next hour, individual lights, pearl and color would appear and disappear, and were also not on the aircraft's radar and were not reported visible on radar by the air traffic control in the area. At one point during this flight, an extremely bright light descended from what appeared to be outside the atmosphere. and as it descended in a consistent rate, it was also traveling not just vertically down,

but horizontally maintaining its distance with the airplane in flight. As it was lowering down, another light, another orb, slightly dimmer was descending in a corkscrew method approaching the first light along its trajectory. And once the second light overtook the first light, they both did. disappeared. What in the world? The second light was descending the pilot estimated at about 5,000 feet per minute. And once it overtook the first light, they both disappeared.

Now, that pilot real quick, was he a private? This is an airline pilot. Okay, so this is like an actual passenger plane where the pilot is seen. Passager plane with the need to de-conflict his airspace at all times. They fly very deliberate air corridors and anything. in their air corridor. Whenever a near miss happens, that makes the news from two planes in an air corridor. So to see something metallic, to see these objects, to have them not on his radar, that's very

concerning, that's a safety of flight. And for air traffic control to not be able to confirm them either, very alarming. So was this reported to the FAA? Is this something that's in their records that they're investigating or this is just something that came across your desk because the report is out there? So this made intelligence community reporting. And again, this was from July of 23, 1130 at night on the 21st of January, 2023. And we're not done with this one.

As the pilot continued to fly and he was passing the Indian River Lagoon, another bright light appeared over the lagoon, again, not on radar. And maintained with him till it disappeared. and then once the pilot landed and taxied and made his way on the aircraft prior to taxiing into a gate, he was stopped. Three lights and a triangle pattern appeared off the nose of the aircraft. The pilot estimates at about 40 degrees off the nose, traveling east to west, at about four, it traveled five miles in about four to five seconds, this formation of these lights. Wow. And then disappeared out of view.

not necessarily disappeared like vanished but disappeared out of view that is an extremely high rate of speed for those objects to be moving and again a qualified observer they're in an airline pilot and taking serious enough that it hit you know i see reporting so um okay are we ready to come forward a little bit a little bit faster sure let's keep it going this is like rapid fire like you know encounters here this stuff is unbelievable so I'm going to go a little out of order here these are both from this year one is from March and one is from July but I want to end on the one in March okay for a little bit of drama here but you know I talked to you about the study that happened over Robert Moses State Park in in Long Island New York

I don't know if you've had a chance to look at that but that is that is a very well studied well researched report that is done on UAP activity with some very good scientific methodology and very good results that they concluded from that and that's that's not just my opinion that's the opinion of our entire community but on 15 July at 1442 in the morning traveling from east to us very slowly against the wind there was an object about 30 feet above the ocean and it was a polyheaval shape slowly rotating as it traveled across the horizon east to west there. The object only appeared in near-infrared spectrum and was extremely hard to see with the naked eye.

They could see it, but it had a very low level of visibility. Again, in that area, there was nothing else, no scheduled flights, no scheduled. civilian air traffic at that time, which is why that site was selected for the study that was done. But very interesting, that polyhedron shape, the spectrum that it was visible in, and the low-level visibility of the naked eye, which as I'm saying this, reminds me of the fact that when we updated the sensors on the F-18, that we start seeing pilots identifying more objects in their aircraft just that that the correlation there um so very interesting very interesting observation there as well that is part of that larger study that i would encourage everyone to go

look at um okay the final one we're going to land on and then i'll leave it up to any questions for you oh i got him i love this because we're going right back to roswell new mexico oh wow okay where where a lot of this starts for us here in modern time in the U.S. So this is 15 March of this year at 11 o'clock at night local time. About 38 miles northeast of Roswell, a bright sphere appearing to be the same size as the moon. Now, what I mean by that is not like a quarter of the size of Earth, but the size that the moon is visible on that day is about the same size that the object was. It also appeared to be mirrored and it was about a thousand feet above the wing of the military aircraft that was flying in

this area. So again, another close call with an aircraft. Another close call with a military aircraft. And when it passed by, slowly passing by the cockpit window, a second sphere black in color with a semi-circle of condensation around it caused the pilot to liken it to the pupil of an eye, was moving alongside, and then eventually moved in front of the original sphere, and then maintained the same pace. The aircraft reported all of this to air traffic control. Air traffic control also had no track radar of either of these objects, and the pilot noted all this time geolocation as to where this was,

and eventually both objects sped up and outpaced the aircraft and took off. So of all of these, we end up right back in Roswell where we started. I thought that was very fitting. Since I took notes on these, there are several other incidents. Some as recently. One of the largest bits of reporting happened on April 13th. So as I dig more into that, I think there's more to come there. But that's what I have for you today as far as juicy details and reporting that we're seeing and things that we're digging into.

You know, and just some fun food for thought. You know, like you and I have talked about, there's a lot of video already out there. There's a lot of reports already out there. I think at this point, stories like these. these reports that are coming in as validated as they are, they're just amplifying in nature. And I think one other thing that's interesting to point out is in all these reports, all of the sources remain available for future contacts.

So if the intelligence community wanted to reach back out to any of these sources of the information, they are willing to continue to talk about it. So that is not something that we've seen in the past. astonishing stuff. I mean, the stories, the details, and the fact that they're open to communication for further communication about the stories is astonishing in its own right, because that shows a level of, I guess, clarity, a level of cooperation that we weren't seen before from anybody involved in these cases. Do you think, now I have a ton of questions on these. And we have, unfortunately, only like 20 minutes left. We've kind of strapped for time today. But we're going to do a much as we can in the next 20 minutes. Do you think any of this is going to come up? Just from what you hear, maybe this is speculation, speculation or information.

I'll leave that to you. Any of this comes up in the future congressional hearings in a few weeks on November 13th? Is this the kind of stuff that's going to be talked about? I would hope that if it is that some of the other information provided in these reports also comes out that is classified that I can't talk about. I really hope that that would come out because while these stories are fantastic and more good amplifying information, what I think we all want to see as citizens is we want to see the evidence.

We want to see the proof to help us wrap our mind around what we're hearing. You know, the first three whistleblowers and some of these other ones that are that are rumored to exist. I'm sure they exist, but, you know, we need the evidence at this point because I think we've heard enough in formal reporting. So I think these types of things could come out. What I'm astonished at is how many things you and I talk about and then months later they come out in the news. Yeah. And big media. So, you know, there is for sure potential that we could hear more about all these incidents, you know, in the public spectrum soon.

but as far as what the whistleblowers are going to cover, I have no idea other than the claimed whistleblower that is going to talk about the immaculate constellation. I have no idea what we're going to hear, but I hope it's good and I hope they have evidence or at least call some things out, call out locations, call out people, you know, put some other people, take them to task, you know.

Yeah. This is, now, when we talk about some of the details being classified, Obviously, I can't ask you what those are because they're classified. But let me ask it this way. What makes some of the details in the stories we just talked about that you couldn't talk about? What makes them classified? Is it the equipment that is being used to capture the sensors that are being used? Is it what the witnesses saw that they can't discuss or a little bit of both?

Yeah, it's a little bit of all of that. So for sure, the type of sensors used, a lot of those remain classified. Also, the images and or video that may or may not exist around some of these that we talked about remain classified. We've seen other video captured. You know, I'm thinking the jellyfish, the Mosul orb, other videos like that that have come out that maybe are in that realm. For sure, the Commander Fraver incident, you know, those are all videos that at one point had certain levels of classification, them. So I guess that's what I'm kind of alluding to that I hope comes with

these stories is some of that other data. I think the type of equipment used and maybe the methodology of gaining some of this info, I don't know that that will ever be declassified and I don't know that it needs to be to really prove the point.

Yeah, no, for sure. And I don't see, yeah, I don't see why either. I mean, why talk about the technology being used to grab these things as long as people can get some type of proof that they are being seen and they are being grabbed and these these things do exist. I think it's all people are looking for. And just to really quickly touch on the videos, Anthony, there are videos to these?

Are there videos to all these sightings? A few? And have you seen them? I have seen videos that exist that are not released to the public. Which of these incidents have videos, which do not, I think is really immaterial. I would just say that it has been reported before. publicly by Harry Reid even said it before, you know, there are a lot more videos. And the amount you and I talked about, I can't remember if it was last week or previously,

but the amount of videos and photos is just astronomical. And so, you know, I hope more of those get out again to further the discussion. But yeah, there are other pieces of information. along with some of these incidents for sure. As an analyst, do you have any explanation that you can come up with? You and your team, is there any explanation that you guys come up with when you sit around and have the meetings about it, talk about it, discuss on the boards, that you can say, all right, this one is this or it could be this, or when you see these videos or your

reaction, just like, shoot, we don't know what that is. Some of them would be really disappointing, I think, to your audience, because there are some videos that we've looked at that look really fantastic. and some of them have even been made public. And the big brains on some of the people involved in looking at these are able to write them off. And I will just say as a fan, it's a little frustrating to me. It's like, oh, man, can that please be ET? Like, why did we have to write that one off?

Like, that was a cool one. But there is logical explanation for a lot of these. Those are the ones that, you know, we all try to quickly write off and then be done talking about it. Let's focus on the stuff that truly is anomalous that we have no explanation for that, that that do not make any sense based on what we know. So, you know, there's a lot more evidence of that. There's also a lot of evidence that exists that, unfortunately, can really be written off. And that's a little heartbreaking for me as someone that, you know, that wants disclosure,

that wants to see it. But it's good. That's healthy, right? We have to be able to take stock and say not everything is anomalous. Some things are just unknown, but when we get closer to it, we can tell what it is. Sure. But these that we went over, these are still unidentified, as I guess I can say. Yes.

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Okay. I've been there a few times. Just a few times. You mentioned something that caught my ear on that one. Actually, two things. Number one, the gray cloud. that kind of appeared around this bright sphere or the diamonds craft, one of those that appeared over this base.

I don't really hear about this gray cloud detail very often. What do we make out of that? No, I mean, it could be a variety of things, right? It could be some sort of masking effect. It could be the fact that the object is warm. And at that late at night, it could be creating condensation. You know, there's a lot of things that it could be, but the cloud itself was visible.

Yeah, that is the weird part. And also the color, I couldn't help but to think of this. And I wonder if you thought about this too, because I know you're familiar with his story, where I've had him on the show here a couple of times and I was talking about Michael Herrera, where he talked about, you know, his famous encounter,

and he became a whistleblower talking about the crap that he came across and the operation that he saw. And he described it as like this gunmetal black type of color. And that's the description that we gave for this diamond craft that you talked about in Afghanistan in 2010. The correlation there is hard to ignore. I mean, do we make anything out of that?

Should we make a correlation there? That these are the same type of descriptions as far as, you know, the appearance of these craft. I will say that whether it's a daylight sighting or an evening sighting, colors relative right so um you know uh our military aircraft that are gray and daylight you know might appear black or gray you know dark gray um at night so to get to get the color description i think

is a fair correlation for what was visible at that exact moment and that exact moment only that object may look completely different in daylight and under different circumstances. That's fair. So it's hard to say, really. I want to go back to the one here in my own backyard in Florida that you were talking about. That was so fascinating. You're talking about all these different types of craft, really. And one of them coming over like the Indian River Lagoon, these are all separate orb craft. And we're talking about them kind of like going in and out of view. And there was something that I noticed, there was a commonality with all these, with the word disappeared or kind of, you know, disappearing, reappearing. Are we looking at it? I mean,

it sounds like some type of stealth technology being used. Is that too far-fetched or, I mean, does that make sense? No, I think it's fair to say that, you know, being able to alter the signature that that these objects give off is probably very possible. We can do that with our own craft. in addition to that i think the the thing that stood out to me the most about that one is that it was these objects were close enough that when they stopped emitting light they were close enough to still be seen at night and the the pilots were able to view the reflection from the ground off these objects it's the first time i heard that level of detail as they were flying over the ground, they could see the ground lights and objects on the ground

reflecting off of these objects. That was, that was really impressive to me. Yeah, that's what got me about that is it sounds like there was an intentional move there to, you know, get out of view, turning off the lights, things like that, but you're still able to see this reflection. So that tells me, Anthony, that this is under intelligent control. I don't know. I mean, do you think I'm wrong in saying that?

You know, you're coming in and out of view, turning off lights, things like that. Yeah, I don't think you're wrong for speculating that at all. And, you know, as our own technology advances here within, you know, we always, we always look at things and try to rationalize meaning and understanding based around our own knowledge and our own understanding. And so, you know, we liken that to what is known to us. and whether it's you know, you know, intelligence of another being or, you know, non-human intelligence like AI.

But it definitely appears to, you know, react to some of these objects appear to be reactive in nature, which would be a deliberate action. I think is a better way of saying it. It seems to be deliberate. Right, right. No, that's exactly it. which is kind of frightening a little bit.

Two more, I wanted to touch on here in literally like the last 10 minutes that we have. I could talk another hour. These were still good. So we'll have to try to bring some of these up again. Yeah. Going back to the power plant siding in Pennsylvania. What year was that again? I'm sorry.

I don't know if you have it in front of it. The power plant was Pennsylvania. But these were all new that just came across your desk, even though some of these are 14-year-old reports that were just finding out about in the one of the The power plants in Pennsylvania really struck me. This strange craft as it hovered over, this black triangle with the light in the middle, and a 40-foot metal orb. And I want to talk about that orb while you find the year,

because you mentioned something on how it moved, this horseshoe pattern where it would come and then go around like this, make a U-turn, I guess you could say, and come back and keep going in that pattern. And it did that for a while. Yeah, that was in June and July of 2021. Okay. In the evening. So it would have been right at, right before dusk through, you know, getting closer to dusk that time of year.

Yeah, and that was, you know, the, yeah, the first one was that 40-foot mirrored orb. And that was the one that was maneuvering in that horseshoe pattern. Yeah. And repeating it in reverse back and forth. and the apex of that horseshoe movement at about tree top level being closest to the power plant. And the second one is the black triangle hovering. Very large, again, 45 to 60 feet. Amazing.

And that's pretty consistent with the other reports of the giant black triangles that we've heard about. So two questions on that actually, because one more just popped into my head. This power plant, do we know if it was a nuclear power plant or what type of power plant it was? Yeah, I did look into that. And I'm a horrible guest because I didn't write it down. No, that's okay. It generates a massive amount of power. And of course, I don't have anything on me right now to re-look that up.

But I looked that up on our net, but it's probably easily Google searchable as to what type of power plant that is. But it is a very large power plant. Did we did we know the city? Did I miss that part? Birdsboro, Pennsylvania. Okay. Just want to put that out there. So if anybody wants to Google

Birdsboro, Pennsylvania power plant, we can easily find that out. So that's okay. But for obvious reasons, we wonder what type of power is this thing generating? Are they going around the nuclear power plants, you know,

or is it more traditional means? But when it comes to the horseshoe pattern real quick on that, that sounds like to me, and again, correct me if I'm wrong because it wouldn't be the first time. It sounds like a mapping pattern

where you're going back and forth in this deliberate, we'll use that word again, deliberate pattern. It almost sounds like it's trying to map the topography of that specific area. Yeah, I think what we can for sure, Lee say without knowing what the object is, is we can say,

you know, what it's what it's not doing. You know, it's not, it's not flying in and out of the atmosphere. It is not grabbing any sort of data from far away. It's coming very close and deliberately getting closer at times and moving far away and then getting closer at times

and then moving away. So whether it's, whether it's mapping, whether it's gathering data, whether it's, you know, who knows what it's actually doing. But, you know, you know, No, it's not just a flyby. It's not hovering, shooting a light. So it's in a very deliberate maneuver. It's not moving with the wind.

It is not exhibiting the ability to stay stationary contrary to the wind. It's not moving at super hypersonic speeds, but it's making very deliberate maneuvers under control. So it's being controlled to maneuver. in that way. And, you know, other than, again, your question more falls into that category of what do we know. We understand things that map out areas moving in a pattern. It's definitely a pattern. Why it's flying that pattern. I don't know that we know that. Last one I wanted to touch on, and then I'll get you out of here with just a couple of follow-ups before we have to go. Like I said, I wish we could spend another hour on this.

I'll tell you, the one that we talked about, October 4th, 2015 over, uh, Hampton Roads, Virginia. We're talking about, again, another large triangle flying over the car. There's a rectangle in between the lights that look like flashing spokes and almost like an exhaust area. Now, I got to tell you, and you may not like this because maybe there's information here that you can't talk about, but this sounds, this particular case to me, Anthony, sounds like a U.S. secret aircraft.

It sounds like something that has been reverse engineered that we've seen. different schematics of how they would build a triangle aircraft with an energy source in the middle like lows red we've had a lot of sightings of those around the country and around the world really that one to me if i had to pick one that i would say this is a secret u.s aircraft that would be the one am i off base or can we not really go into it you're not off base um but what i think what I think would be a counterpoint to that narrative would be the location, the date, and the time of day. Okay.

The location doesn't make sense for an experimental aircraft. That's about all I can say on that. That's not where we would test an aircraft like that. Okay. Yeah. Now, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not saying that it's not manmade. I'm just saying that other experimental aircraft that we develop and test,

we don't do that in Hampton Roads, Virginia. Now, what about the date and the time? Because time we had 4.45 a.m. date goes back to October of 2015. Why is that inconsistent possibly with the theory of manmade craft? If you look at the rest of the aircraft, if you look at our experimental aircraft that emerge and then come out to the public, it's about 30 years behind. Or longer sometimes. It's longer before it's an openly acknowledged program.

So in 2015, if that is an operational classified aircraft that we are looking at, then we're talking about something that's developed, 70s, 80s, you know, time frame. And if you look at other technology that emerges from that period, I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm just saying it doesn't match other technology also advancing of that period. Okay, fair enough. I'll get you out of here on this, Anthony, because we are out of time, unfortunately, here on my end.

It's my fault. If someone's looking for someone to blame, it's my fault. But just when we kind of look into the crystal ball here of Anthony Williams, what do you see on the horizon? Just with some of the reports that you've been coming across, do you see some type of further reports like this coming out, or are we going to see an escalation as we get closer to the congressional hearing? Like, what is your gut tell you based off the information you've been coming across?

What appears to me, I think you're going to see a full, court press to stop these congressional hearings or minimize them. I think there's going to be a ton of pressure placed on these, because we know what happened the first time on the half dozen or so whistleblowers that they had. They were able to scare tactic over half of them away. And then frankly, the hearings before the Senate were almost irrelevant. They were more resourcing discussions. Tell me what you've done to tell me what you need type thing. I think we're going to see more of these reports. I think the public is more tuned into looking at the sky.

I think we're going to see more government people that are witnessing things, more willing to tell their stories. So I think there'll be an increase of reporting. And I think there's going to be, and I don't think it's going to be successful long term, but there will be a last-ditch effort to, again, try to crush whatever it is that we know about of what we're seeing from getting out to the public. And there's a lot of people, I think, that I've heard speak that have been on this problem set for decades that are very half as glass empty or glass is half empty on the possibility of disclosure at all because, you know, it's been right at that precipice, before. I think the difference is we've never had a time, at least in my life, that we've had the civilian population interested, the military population openly acknowledging the fact that

these are real things and an interest in government to get to the bottom of it. Those things have never existed at the same time that I'm aware of at scale that they do today. So I think that lens in our favor for those of us that would like answers and for the taxpayers writ large that deserve answers there's a time in place for for secrecy absolutely um but it's not a secret that we have secrets right it's not a secret it wouldn't surprise anyone in the audience if i said we are working on classified aircraft ground base systems spaces and all these different things that wouldn't surprise anybody because we've been doing that for a long time. So the fact that there is a thing that is being kept secret, I don't think that needs to be a

secret anymore. And I think there's a certain level of disclosure that is okay for it to come out. And if not, I think people need to know why. I think there needs to be a better explanation to the American people. If there's going to remain a cloud of secrecy around this subject, it needs to be justifiable in a way that is acceptable to the American people or the government entities that are keeping these secrets will lose all credibility and frankly there's a level of secrecy within government and and I think that's what's become really unpalatable to the people that write checks on our behalf yeah I think you you hit all the main points Anthony I think that's perfect it's really well said and it's and it's a good place to finish

Sean, for now. I know we'll talk again in the future and things continue to develop and hopefully that secrecy doesn't continue and we do get the hearings as scheduled because I'll let you know this is breaking news. I am going to DC. The plans are being finalized. I will be there for the hearing whether I get inside the Capitol building for the into the congressional chambers or not is a different question. We'll see what we can do there, but I will be in D.C. if everything goes as planned on November 13th. So through some live reporting there. Awesome.

So that's what we're at for now, Anthony. But I will say, too, just I can't get over the amount of detail that came out with these. And these are all, you know, verifiable sightings with pilots, either, you know, fighter pilot aircraft. These are things that are being seen that cannot be ignored. These are real reports that are unidentified that need to be discussed. And that's why I'm so appreciative that you've come.

on here today to discuss these for the first time with the public and to do that here on UAP. I really appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Yep. So, well, good luck to you next month and in D.C. Looking forward to hearing about that, too.

I'll do my best. So we'll talk somewhere around then again, Anthony. And again, thanks for coming on here. And we'll talk again soon right here on UAP. Thank you. Sounds great. We'll talk to you soon. Man, there's just so much to get to there in that episode.

episode. It was just like shockful of information. So hopefully you were able to keep track of it all. I mean, by all means, if you feel like you need to listen to it again, just to try to take it all in, because I know it was a lot. Even for myself, I had to go back and relisten to some of the things just to make sure I had all the details. So I knew what to hit on when it came on here to talk to you about it. One of the things that I did want to go back, and I did go back and listen to, was we were talking about that citing in what I think Anthony referred to as Juniper, Florida. Jupiter, like the planet, Jupiter, Florida, and that's where the area of the Indian River Lagoon. So if you wanted to look that up, it's Jupiter, Florida, like the planet Jupiter. So if you're looking for that city, looking for reports on that, you won't find it in Juniper, but it is in Jupiter.

So that's not a knock on Anthony, of course. I just wanted to make sure you had the right name of the city. So Jupiter, Florida was where that one took place by the Indian River Lagoon that he was referring to. What a sighting that was. Also on that one, I believe we were talking about the corkscrew lights that came down circling around the other unidentified light. One thing I wanted to ask him, and I didn't get to bring this up, even though I don't think the answer is yes just because of some of the other details.

But one of the possibilities that came to my mind when it came to that corkscrew formation was could it have been some type of nighttime skydiving, some type of special training? Now, I will say this. in the argument against myself, because I do, you know me, I always like to try to put out what could this be, right? You know, can we identify this? Just like Anthony was saying toward the end of the episode, they asked that question as analysts in military intelligence. Can we identify this? And then sometimes they think they can't, but then they end up identifying it. And other times they can't, like you heard with those six stories. So here I am making

assumptions on something they couldn't even identify. But I just want to bring up all the scenarios about a possible nighttime skydive because we hear about, you know, sometimes military personnel with these lights or flares attached to their ankle as they come down. And when I think about that corkscrew formation, I think about somebody coming down on a parachute. Like if you've seen in air shows where, you know, they'll have the smoke attached to their ankle, the skydivers, the paratroopers, will have the smoke attached to their ankle.

And they'll come down in that corkscrew formation, you know, and make that smoke pattern on the way down. And we talk about 5,000 feet per minute. minute. I did do the math on that. It comes out to about, because at 5,000 feet is about roughly a mile. So when you look at that, you come out to about 56 miles per hour rate of falling from the sky to reach about 5,000, falling at 5,000 feet per minute. I know I'm sorry. I didn't mean to go into a math equation here. So, but that's the conversion there on falling at 5,000 feet per minute. You would have to go about 56 to 60 miles per hour to reach that rate.

And I did do the research on skydiving, how fast you go. You can go up to 120 miles per hour when you are falling in skydiving. And it takes about 12 seconds to reach that velocity, that speed. So we're not writing down formulas here, okay? We're not doing like Einstein's theories of relativity. I'm just putting the information out there on could that be a skydiving, some type of special night training? Because the other thing with that incident is it took place around 1130 at night. Now, here are the arguments against that.

Living here in South Florida, I know that area extremely well. I'm in Jupiter all the time. I know the Indian River Lagoon very well. It's a beautiful area. And I can say that I've never seen any military exercises in that area in my entire life of living down here. As far as I know, there aren't any military bases in Jupiter, Florida. Not that I've heard of, unless there's some type of secret operation going on there. I mean, there's plenty of places in Melbourne, you know, by the space.

coast, of course, and, you know, throughout Melbourne, Cape Canaveral, I believe the Space Force headquarters are over there by Cocoa Beach. So that's well north of Jupiter, Florida. Now, so that's, that's one thing against it. So I don't know why there would be some type of special military operation with a nighttime skydive with paratroopers, a happy at 1130. Also within private airspace, that's the other argument against this, if this was some type of skydiving thing. then why would they be operating with near private airspace near passenger airplanes? That's obviously a big no-no. There would have to be some type of notification there.

You know, that's, hey, we're in the area. So those are the arguments against my own theory, as I just kind of argue against myself here. But I just wanted to throw those things out there. And I didn't have time to throw that scenario out to Anthony. So I wanted to present that as a possibility here at the end of the show. show as we wrap things up. Another thing that went unanswered because it's my fault, I sprung the question on Anthony. I didn't mean to throw him under the bus with asking him about the power plant in Birdsboro, Pennsylvania, because I was wondering out loud, is that a nuclear power plant? I mean,

we're talking about these craft floating over, flying over this power plant. So of course, naturally you start to think as there is some type of nuclear energy connection here. There is not. So I looked into this to save you time on looking it up because we said, you know, I'm sure somebody would find the answer, but I wanted to save you time on this and let you know what I found. The Birdsboro Pennsylvania Power Plant is a combined cycle gas turbine. So it's not nuclear. That was the information I found. That's pretty much it. That's the information on the power plant.

It's not a nuclear power plant. It's called what's called a combined cycle gas turbine and how they run that plant there. But it is a very big one. And formally, yes, I want to. down the rabbit hole of the Birdsboro power plant, it was formerly a tank factory, which I thought was pretty cool back in World War II, converted into this power plant to power a good portion of the Northeast, actually. So it's a large power plant, it's an important power plant, which could be an interesting angle when you think about these crafts flying over it, you know,

seen as it does power, a good portion of the Northeast. So that felt like relevant information that I wanted to pass along to you. A couple of other things to touch on there that we spoke about because again there was just so much information and it was all happening so fast that I wanted to mention here before we're done. He said at the end we talked about the November hearings there, November 13th of which yes, I do plan. Actually, I am going to Washington, D.C. I'm trying to get into the hearing itself unsuccessfully so far. So we'll see what happens there. I'm going to play that part by ear. So I'll keep you up to date on whether or not I'm actually getting inside the hearing, but I will be in Washington, D.C.

Everything's booked. I'm going to be there, and I'll be reporting live for you from there to let you know what's happening in real time. So I'm looking forward to that, absolutely. Very excited for that. But we brought up the possibility, at least Anthony did, of will we get to the point where we accept that there is a secret about the secret? meaning which and I thought this was striking you know I guess in other words will we have an acceptance

about the revealing of the fact that there is an open secret so I mean it's kind of like we all understand that this is the point Anthony made was if I can make an analogy to what he was saying we understand that the military has secret weapons I mean we understand there's secret weapons development whether or not you want to believe that's

coming from reverse engineer otherworldly technology, NHI technology, that's the different conversation. But the fact is they are 30 years ahead from what we see today. For example, people didn't know

the SR-71 Blackbird existed until what, I think the 80s or the 90s. They were developing that thing in the 50s of the 60s. The stealth bomber. Same thing. We didn't know about that until Desert Storm in the early 90s. They were developing that well before then, 20, 30 years before that.

There is all this, this constant evolution of technology behind the scenes that we don't even know about. Okay. And I can go back to some of the things we talk about with, you know, anti-gravity technology, free energy. You know, we hear Ashton Forbes talk about that a lot. Of course, I've had him on the show many times talking about what the possibilities are with, you know, negative energy, free energy, all those different things. So, you know, that question does remain. What is out there? what has the military developed stealth technology, right, going disappearing.

We kept talking about these craft that were disappearing. So that tells me that we're looking at some type of stealth technology there. They're able to go in and out on the visibility spectrum like we discussed during the show. So do we have that technology? Is that some type of advanced tech that has not been revealed to the general public yet? So we understand that that does exist, okay? That's the open secret that people accept that there is all these things going on behind the scenes. Again, where you get the technology, you can argue about that.

But we accept that. It's happening. So will we get to that point with the discussion of NHI, UAPs, that it is possible that we are working with NHI, that we are reverse engineering? hence going back to the immaculate constellation, the alleged program there of reverse engineering tech within the Pentagon. So will we get to that point sooner than later that we accept this as an open secret? That remains to be seen, but I thought it was a very striking thought. And maybe we do get to that point. Then people can just move on and say, yeah, yeah, we know that's going on.

Or yeah, we know there is other life. We'll see what happens, right? Will we ever get to that point? I think this will give me a much larger discussion then. we'll see what happens, but it's an interesting thought. And lastly, there was something that Anthony said toward the end that really kind of struck a court with me too, where he said, will we see an effort to stop the November hearing or at least intimidate prospective witnesses?

And I really hope not. But to his point, we did see that according to Representative Tim Burchett from Tennessee leading up to that hearing where we got the three witnesses. He was saying that there was supposed to be five to six witnesses. there was going to be witness from NASA and all these different military members who were going to testify with the original three that we saw. But because of intimidation factors, they lost those and we got the three that we got, which isn't a bad thing. Of course, graves and grush and frayver were fantastic. But will we see that type of intimidation factor again where we have witnesses drop out?

I can only hope not. I don't think, and this is just my own thinking, I could be. be 100% wrong. I don't think that we'll see some type of effort that actually stops the hearing from happening. It seems like that ball is in motion and it's on the schedule. It's on the docket. It's set to take place November 13th. So I believe that's still going to happen, but I really do hope that if there are prospective witnesses out there and if any of them are listening right now or someone who knows them, you can pass along the message, please don't be afraid. I know that the intimidation can be overwhelming. Your life, your family's life, retirement, your pension,

your living, all the things that you get threatened with. I can only imagine the stress and the fear that would cause. But please don't let that stop you from trying to better society to get these messages out and to get these stories out on such an incredibly important stage like Capitol Hill on the stand there in a congressional hearing in front of the world, let alone the country. in front of the world. So please don't let them intimidate you and stop you from doing what you know is the right thing to do.

All right, stepping down off my soapbox now. But I felt like those were all important things to say before we were done here. But all in all, really incredible stuff from Anthony Williams. I really hope you enjoyed that and found that as compelling as I did because I was glued to my screen here.

I just give you a little behind the scenes. I was absolutely glued to the screen when Anthony was telling me all those stories and he was going through them one by one by one like you heard there. I was writing notes throughout the entire thing. It's just really fascinating, captivating stuff there from Anthony that we've never heard before. And I'm sure we're going to hear more of things like that

when it comes to the congressional hearings as well. And hear more from Anthony too next time we have him on because all this stuff always comes across his desk. So I can't wait to hear what we have next coming up in the future. And what I bring to you next to the future on UAP, more, much more to come. You know, there's always so much going on. So can't wait to come back with you next time on episode 91 here on UAP.

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