UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 93 What Now? The Future of Disclosure with guest Stephen Bassett

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Now that the Congressional UAP hearings are in the books, what's next? Stephen Diener and long time DC UFO lobbyist, Stephen Bassett discuss that question as Bassett reflects on the one crucial thing that was missing from the testimony and how politics could play a role in the timeline on disclosure...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to do one final wrap up here of the congressional hearings that took place last week. So my apologies, first off, let me apologize. It's never, I don't know, it's never good to start off an episode with an apology because that usually means I did something wrong. But maybe I don't need to apologize. but I just feel bad because I wanted to get this episode out. I had every intention of getting this episode out actually on Tuesday. I felt that might have been a little bit more apt timing.

But life takes place. Things get delayed. And here I am on Thursday. But regardless, I still think that this was a really good interview and a really good perspective on something that I didn't even expect to happen in the interview. So what's happening here today for episode 93 is that I'm speaking. with Stephen Bassett, head of the Paradigm Research Group, of course, a legend in this field. He's been a DC lobbyist for a long time, the only UFO lobbyist in D.C.

And obviously been involved with disclosure and trying to bring about disclosure for a long time. So how this all came about was I had Steve on the show once before, a couple months back. And as the hearings came up, I just personally emailed him. And I said, hey, you know, what do you know about getting into? to the hearings. So this is the kind of the backstory here. I actually haven't been able to tell this story at all. So this is kind of an exclusive here, I guess, on this episode. So I got that email out to Steve. He's kind enough to get back and said, okay, here's the plan. And he emailed about, I don't know, 10 people. I was lucky enough to be one of them where he said, here is what

you have to do. You have to be here at this building at this time. Because this is how it worked last time in the first hearing, which he was out at the first hearing with David Grush, and, you know, we're going to be lined up over here, then we're going to go through this entrance, and then we're going to wait and light over here. So I had, I was completely green coming into this. I mean, I was out on, on Twitter asking, tagging Congress people for, for media credentials. I mean, and that got me nowhere. Now, in the future, maybe I have a better bet of actually just calling their offices, but that's neither here nor there. Bottom line is that Stephen Bassett was kind enough to give me some direction of what to expect when I got there

and to give me the best chance at getting in the room for the hearing, which, of course, as you may know by now, because I've spoken about it, I was, you know, in the hearing. And I have Stephen Bassett to think for that because otherwise it would have had no idea how to get in there. So we got in. Steve Bassett and I were able to have conversations before and after the hearings together. And I talked to you before already, you know, with the different conversations. I was lucky enough to have with some of the people who were there.

But, you know, and Steve agreed to come on to the show with me after the hearing. So we said, great. Let's talk on Monday. We speak on Monday and I'm playing on getting the show out by Tuesday. Of course, it didn't happen. So here we are on Thursday. But the reason that I still find this to be relevant here today is I learned a very important lesson coming into this or after this interview was over.

Coming into the interview, I have and had expectations. Okay, so again, kind of just pulling the curtain back here a little bit behind the scenes. Before I do an interview, no matter who it is, whether it's Snooky, shout out, whether it's Ashton Forbes, whether it's Anthony Williams, or Stephen Bassett or anybody else I've had it on the show. I've been lucky enough to have on. No matter who it is, what I always do is I sit and reflect for a little bit, maybe about 10, 15 minutes. I write out some ideas on a sheet of paper. I can usually fit this on one sheet of paper

and just some bullet points, some ideas, some conversation starters, some questions that are on my mind that I think will be able to have some great discussion about to give you some information. And I did that, as usual, before my interview with Stephen Bassett. Now, what ended up happening was, and you'll hear in this interview, is that Steve had his own ideas, which is perfectly fine. He's a great guy, and I'm very happy to have him on the show here a second time.

But Steve ended up kind of going his own way through the interview, which at first, again, just behind the scenes here, as he was talking, I was thinking to myself, I didn't say this to him because I don't like to interrupt my guests. My philosophy is, and not to drone on about this, but I just want to give you behind the scenes, my philosophy is if you are going to take time out to come on to my show, The last thing I want to do is start interrupting you. You're my guest. I want you to be able to speak. That's why I have you on the show. I want you to speak so we can hear what you have to say. So there's no point in my mind for me to say, well, okay, well, hold on.

Let me just say this real quick. Yes, I understand it's my show, but I brought you on to my show to talk. So that's why I want to let you do. So while Steve was doing that, there were points where I thought in my head, geez, this isn't the way I wanted this interview to go. or geez, you know, he's touching on something here that I was going to ask about 20 minutes from now, but now he's already talking about it. Oh, I had to switch this around. I had to ask this question now and switch this order around.

Oh, this, I wasn't going to talk about this subject, but he brought it up. Right. So all those things are happening in my head as he's talking. But what I learned, and it actually ended up being the best thing that could have happened. So I thank him for that because I ended up learning that I shouldn't have those expectations. Yes, his planning is great. great, right? If you want to have a certain theme for the interview and you want to get certain questions out there because you feel like, you know, you want to get certain answers out for you

to hear, that's perfectly fine. But I think what I needed to learn in this interview and I did, and it was a very valuable lesson, was not to set so many expectations beforehand and maybe sometimes just go with the flow. Because the way this ended up going, which I think ended up working out great in the long run, is we ended up talking more about how. how this affects the witnesses or witnesses who haven't been brought up on the stand yet, like Bob Salas. And we talk more about, or Steve ends up talking more about Bob Salas and his experience and trying to get him in front of, you know, different Congress people. So he can have his conversation. So he can be a witness one day.

We start going over, you know, the nuclear discussion as a whole. What's next when it comes to disclosure, the different options, how the politics play into all this. as we exit the Biden presidency and enter into a Trump presidency on January 20th. So these were all things that ended up coming up that it wasn't the direction I was going to take. But again, I'm happy to be able to learn a lesson. I'm always learning. And I'm happy to be able to learn the lesson to not set so many expectations and sometimes just go with the flow because, you know what? It ends up working out pretty well.

So I think you're going to enjoy this year today. It's not, it's different from what I did last week after the hearing. That was immediate reaction. This goes a little bit more in depth on a different perspective from Stephen Bassett's point of view. So I thought it was really cool. I have a couple more thoughts than I want to get out there that I'll save for after the interview with Steve. So stick around for after that, some closing thoughts to come up after Steve and I are done. But enjoy this.

Again, really cool, really good perspective from Steve Bassett here. So here he is now, episode 93. and Stephen Bassett right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Enjoy. And happy to welcome back in here, Steve Bassett, back with us here on UAP. So happy to have him back, head of the Paradigm Research Group, and was in the freezing cold of Washington, D.C. with me for the hearings on Capitol Hill. We're going to talk about all of that.

Steve, thanks so much for coming on here. Really appreciate your time. My pleasure, Stephen. It's been an interesting couple of days. Yeah, it sure has. it was very educational in a lot of ways, in a lot of good ways, I think, actually, for the hearing. But I want to talk about, I had a little, you know, recap show on Friday, just from my own angle, my own points of view and everything.

Kind of like in the immediate aftermath, if you will, after the hearings. But I was looking forward to bringing you on today because I think you always have a really great and unique perspective on the lay of the land, especially when it comes to the politics behind disclosure. And that's really kind of where this intersected. this past week at the hearings on Wednesday. So we'll start off. First off, your experience. What was your overall experience, Steve,

after, during, before the hearings on Capitol Hill there? It's a wonderful day. Great day. There were probably 200 people, at least that showed up, maybe more. They expanded the seating in the hearing room, fortunately, because even though I got there with it about, at 4.45 a.m. There was a line.

One person had been sleeping on the sidewalk. Wrapped up in one of those, I don't know, a sleeping bag kind of thing. He's completely covered. I have no idea who it was. It was about 34 degrees. I dressed warm. So right away, okay.

And nobody complained at all. So we got in at 7 and got up there. And we're in good shape. We were like 28, 29, 30. It was about 90 seats. But by the time the hearing room opened at 1130, so many people had cut in line up front that we got in with about 20 seats left to spare.

There's a lot of people that really need. to be in that room. And they can't get up at four in the morning. And so overall, the people that got in, the one people that needed to get in. And I made it last time. I made it this time. I have no complaints. So the number one thing that I think I need to convey to people who are not falling too closely. This is a very simple, simple conjunction here. It's not complicated. I don't think. not a few weeks back, the Arrow, All Domain Anomily Resolution Office, submitted, I guess to Congress, I forget what they submitted it, a study report of their work, right? Going back to the beginning, it's not the same as the annual report that they just, I haven't read that yet, but I think it's a little

different. I think it's probably not so bad. But the study report, which was signed off by Dr. Capatrick, was a last ditch, Hail Mary Pass to somehow staunch, stop this avalanche it's coming down the mountain at him or snowball, whatever you want to call it.

And it was a lie. It was completely concocted. It was awful. And so a lot of people would read that or members of Congress would read that and go, well, gee, I guess we're wasting our money. Okay, so that was a number of weeks ago.

What's happened since then? Okay. Tim Burchett introduced, into the Congress his attempt at a whistleblower witness protection act, an enhancement, right, because the witnesses need this. Let's see. And, of course, the Oversight Subcommittee put together a new hearing. In this case, this one was essentially fronted by Congresswoman Nancy Mace, or as I like to call her now,

Congresswoman Nancy Heller High Water Mace. And an even bigger hearing, the substantive hearing, in which four people with not just one individual, basically with a very significant piece of information, which it certainly was. And two, supporting witnesses, but it was basically a one witness hearing. This is four witnesses. Everyone has substantial career. Everyone has been involved in this issue, particularly Alessando, for some time. and they gave very, some very significant testimony that covered a range of issues. And the testimony was reinforcing, et cetera, et cetera.

So it was even more powerful. But it was maybe not as catchy for the average person. It was like an awe moment, right? Oh, wow. What, Gresh's setting is amazing. This hearing was powerful in a different way. This is the kind of hearing that gets the attention of top people in Congress, major journalist, academics, and so forth.

This is the kind of thing against their attention. Not one person's startling revelation. So in that sense, it was a more important hearing. But most important of all, this was the Senate, the House Oversights way of saying to the Department of Defense, not really Arrow, but the Department of Defense, give us a break, all right?

Stop insulting our own. intelligence. Stop making an ass of yourself. You are the entity that is supposed to defend us against some very significant potential threats, foreign threats, particularly nuclear weapons and so forth. And when you continue to make an ass of yourself over your, to the last dog guy's defense of your precious truth embargo, you're embarrassing yourself. That's the biggest take away. And of course, Gillibrand is about to bring in two days. I mean,

tomorrow, the new head of Arrow for a little briefing, not a hearing, but a briefing. And I'm sure she'll be asking, Dr. Kozlowski, who apparently looks to be a righteous guy. And I'm absolutely certain it's not going to pick up where

Dr. Kirkpatrick left off to discuss Arrow and probably going to ask him some very interesting questions about the Arrow study report that they put So apparently, Gillibrand is not particularly impressed with that report. And the list of people that is not impressed is a long list. And so that is just an example. You know, on top of the fact that the energy in the hallway that morning,

but went on for five hours was amazing. Yeah. 10, 15, 20 people, documentaries, individuals, high-end cameras, taking video for docs and interviewing each other. You know, you got podcasters interviewing podcasters. You know, somebody like Alizando or James Fox would walk down hall. They're getting high fives, you know, knuckle bumps, one of, you know, selfies, autographs. This is not the kind of thing that typically happened outside hearing rooms in the

United States of Congress. There are some very important issues that have hearings up there. And if you were to walk down the hall, previous the hearing, you, you would see a lot of people standing there comatose, including a whole lot of linestanders who were paid $40, $50 an hour by some lobbyists to just stand there. So the lobbyists, you come up at the last minute. It is legal. No problem. I think we had a couple of people like that. Yeah, we do. But these people are, they're comatose. That's, no, not this hearing. One gentleman, and I don't think he was pulling my leg. He seemed like a nice fellow. I should have got, I should have given my card, gotten his name. But he, he was, he came down and he chatted us up a little bit.

And he said that he was trying to pay somebody in the front of the line because apparently he didn't want to cut. Good for him. He could have, he could have, I don't know, worked his way and done some cutting, which a lot. lot of people did, but he didn't want to do that. So he offered somebody near the front of that line $800. And that person would go to the back of the line, take their chances. No, not taking the money. And then he walked away and I'm thinking, you know, I really could use that money. And I'm thinking, maybe I should go talk to him. So, I mean, this was, this was amazing. And then afterwards, because naturally we had a vet like this and when you have an activist, movement that's starting to mature. People are looking to take advantage of it, build on it,

right? Not all issues are like that. Very important issues. Have a hearing. Then of this other stuff happens, but not with us. This is an activist movement that is now, well, a vigorous 30 years old, but really goes back 77 years, to be honest with you. The issue is the most important issue in the world. And so now, this is, we're working all the angles. And so 30 minutes after the hearing ended an event, which had been, we had sent out substantial press releases, quite a few people, about 100, I think, came over and listened to Danny Sheehan, Ron James, Dave McDonald, Jim Garrison, myself, Bob Salas, to address the subject in various ways.

Okay, the whole thing was filmed, and it's up on the net, and I'll be getting the links out to that very soon. In fact, I've got a massive amount of links I have to put out. What was it about? Again, this is classic activism. It was about the fact that the new paradigm institute.org, which has now been operating now for approaching two years, It's gotten reasonable money, but it needs millions more, which is chaired by Daniel Sheehan,

who has been a justice activist and rights activists for 50 years and has been in charge of, has been ahead of think tanks for that entire time. The New Paradem Institute is a 501C3 activist organization subsidiary to an even bigger 511C3 activist organization called the Romero Institute, which is on the West Coast. And if you go to New Paradigm Institute.org, you will see a whole range of projects and so forth at a substantial group of individuals who are pursuing disclosure and, of course, preparing us for the post-disclosure world, which is his principal mission. The New Paradigm Institute, Danny was introduced by Jim Garrison, who is their Washington director at their office, which is just up the street across from the capital. my office is just next to a White House. Jim introduced Danny, and Danny discussed the fact that the new PowerDive Institute is working to form a substantial, how would you say, coalition with the Mufon.

So actually, I'm glad you brought that up, Steve, because I was in the park, actually. We all walked over there. I was watching you guys speak. It was fascinating to hear yourself, Danny Sheehan, Bob Salas, Ron James from Mufon, talk about. about this partnership that is going to be happening. I mean, this is kind of unprecedented. So I'm glad you brought that up. I'll let you speak on that a little bit more about this partnership,

an alliance of powers, if you will, for disclosure. Yeah, again, this could be very important. Why? Okay, now Mufon has been around since 1969. Okay. So that's 55 years. That's a long time. It is the best known.

largest really organization addressing this issue. It was formed right after they shut Bluebrook down and then destroyed NICAP, which was a very high-end, very sophisticated entity with a lot of scientists and so forth. And so it definitely had to go. So they destroyed NACAP. Not too long ago, Mufon hired a lobbying firm. They made the wise move of making Ron James, a well-established filmmaker, the head of their media and he's created a whole Mufon media TV thing, which is huge,

which has helped double their membership. And so working with their lobbying organization, Ron's been up in a hill and interviewing. In other words, if you got a camera, it's amazing how easy it is to get a meeting with some of these people. Yeah, let's meet in the office and talk, right? Whereas you're an activist. It's like, you know, kind of not really, kind of busy right now, right? So Ronsville all over a hill.

And so Mufant is moving definitely. activism to its portfolio. Okay. So the New Power Institute understanding this approached them and said let's let's get together. Why? Because the new power of Institute is two years old and it is starting to build what we'll call disclosure activist chapters around around the country. But Mufon already has a huge number of chapters all over the country and outside of the country. And so by coming together instantly New Powerhouse Institute has a reach right so the two working together have have a activist and research reach and so this is a very potentially powerful alliance and so

we were announcing that alliance and so Danny spoke to it first and then Ron spoke to it second and then David McDonald who is very instrumental in bringing Mufant into the 21st century spoke after that. And so that was a significant thing. So that's out there. The news press releases are out there. The Defense Department knows that we're building even bigger and more powerful alliances to end this stupid truth embargo. Okay. Now, probably the single most important thing we know about extraterrestrials. And I call them that because I'm pretty sure they're not from Earth. Others disagree. It's okay. It's all right. I just, I'm not really able to get in a this non-human biologic thing. It's okay. I'll use it. I'll say it, but as far, until otherwise,

I am convinced, it is extra-trust. Okay. One of the most important things that we know about them, and the most important thing that they have done is not crop circles. It is the repeated shutting down of nuclear weapons at ICBM facilities in the United States, as well as nuclear nuclear missile facilities in the Soviet Union. Right. And at least one occasion in both countries, the turning on or setting into launch mode without human involvement that scared the bejazzed out of, you know, everybody at that base.

That is the single most important thing we know about them and the single most important thing that they have done. All right. Now, this started back in the mid-60s, 66, 67, and then continued on for a while. We think that after the government sort of got on top of this and realized that that's what was going on, the future events, they were able to swoop in and lock everything down, right? They did do what they could to contain the initial events once they realized that they had happened. The most notable thing they did is to reassign all of the security people to the four corners of the earth, right, so they couldn't communicate.

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wasn't in play. And so Captain Salas decided to do this. Now, the interesting story there is that he knew he was taken a risk, believe me. It wasn't clear cut what would happen. But, and this is one of the weaknesses of this massive secrecy. system complex that they have. It's so elaborate that it's got, you know, the bigger and longer in the wall, the more likely there's going to be a weak spot, right? So Captain Salas submitted a FOI request to the Air Force regarding events, you know, something, you know, just about things that were going on during that period around 66-67.

But he didn't mention UFOs, right? I don't know how he phrased it. but he mentioned UFO. And as a result, he got back information from the Air Force that clearly was related to that time. And because he got that, he decided, I'll go forward, right? Because technically it's in the public domain. Now, this obviously is a debatable issue, but he didn't care. And so around 1994, out he comes.

And so he then becomes the leading action. activists in the world regarding the nuclear weapons shutdown. Now, over the subsequent years, there were a number of people that contributed substantially to awareness of this and what have you, George Knapp, for instance, and so forth, some others who had actually gone to the Soviet Union dental studies. And so there was some information that was coming out and so forth. That's fine. But the leading activist on it was, of course, right?

And so what do you do with SAC-based officers that are trying to educate and bring the most significant incidents involving extraterrestrial phenomena to the world? You can't kill them and you can't disgrace them. Why? Because if you start, if you were doing that, the sack-based officers, I assure you, you would literally create a mutiny within the strategic air command. Sure. the other officers were not going to stand for that, and they knew that. And so what is the other option? The other option is to just ignore them. Don't talk about it, don't respond any questions.

They don't exist. And if the media goes along with that, meaning, well, if the department defense is just, there's nothing to say about these gentlemen, well, and it worked, right? They just ignored them year after year after year. So in 2010, they actually came to the National Press Club, which is four floors above me here in the National Press Building. And four of them came in and gave a press conference. It was well attended, including me, in the home and lounge. Pretty good place.

They had some refreshments out and stuff. He's kind of nice. There was a lot of media in there. And they then testified, or gave their testimony to the press there. about these events. And they also handed out these affidavits, which I think is the affidavits signed by 10 of the witnesses, including Robert Salas, Robert Jacobs, David Chandelie, Commander Fencedemacher, Charles Halt, Jerome Nelson, and so forth, Jameson. These are all affidavits, signed affidavits, to testify to their experiences regarding these shutdowns and other events, all.

involving the engagement of our nuclear facilities or nuclear work nuclear program and and and and and etes and now notably this is something that wasn't really brought up during the hearing not yet that's that's what's going on right now and that's what we're trying to do so the press took these affidavits back to their office probably threw them in the trash and virtually no note nothing was written of consequence and the Washington post sent a metro writer that's all they didn't say their national security security person or their defense correspondent. They sent a Metro writer who wrote a funny piece which he put a lot of emphasis on the cookies

that were served as the refreshments. We call it the great cookie column. And so nothing happened except Bob Salas gave me 50 copies of this at the end of the hearing, which I then took back to my office where they have been for 14, how many years? 14 years. Wow.

So that when, this hearing starts to approach and I learned that Congresswoman Nancy come hell or high water Mace was trying to get a couple more witnesses. She was two witnesses sort of a full complement of witnesses. I said this is an opportunity. So I went up on the hill and hand delivered to 10 of the appropriate offices including Mace and Birchit and Alun and so forth physical affidavits.

Okay. And then and now they're all. all campaigning. So there's a very light staff. It's okay. I's good. So I gave it to a staffer. And then I also mailed a set of these to a specific staffer through the mail. And knowing that that would arrive about 10 days later. So there'd be two sets of these affidavits. And then we we sent an electronic copy. And all these had cover letters, right? To her office because she was going to be leading the hearing. Okay, good. What we're trying to do is trying to get Bob Salas as one of the witnesses. But this was late in the game.

What subsequently took place was she was able to get the two more witnesses that she needed, and she had her witness panel. Okay, fine. Now, Bob, of course, wanted to come out here, and I said, look, Bob come out here. I'm going to get you in that room because, you know, I learned a few things I've heard a time around, okay?

Sure. And so we stood out there and chatted and whatever and had a good time while we sort of froze. And we got it. And so Bob got in that hearing room. Okay, so far. So good. What happened next was that we then went over

and held this event 30 minutes after the House Subcommittee hearing was done. And I introduced Bob and then he spoke into the camera. And that video is now circulating, okay, around. And then what happened next? And this is the kind of thing that happens under the aegis of what Woody Allen, one of my favorite filmmakers, it's a quote from him many, many years ago.

One of the great quotes. If you don't like Woody, it's still a great quote. 90% of success is just showing up. people need to learn that a lot of people don't get that just show up even though you don't know what's going to happen even if it's unclear or even if whatever you think yeah may or may not happen just show up and so in all of the new you that was happening this that and everything else okay you got documentaries here we're all talked to each other we're texting each other and what have you a lot there was a lot of meanings and stuff that went on I have no idea about but a lot

happened over those that day and eventually that'll be turning up the net end result was that later that evening i was able to sit down with one of the committee people along with bob salas and not only was he introduced to this person but it was filmed oh it's great okay uh and and and there and And then of course, the affidavits are present. And the prospect of Bob Salas and some of his other witnesses, testifying at a hearing in the near future is just increased substantially. And so eventually that's going to happen. Now, the next thing is that Gillibrand is holding a briefing on the 19.

The question is, will she hold a real hearing? Will the Senate hold a substantial hearing? The Senate needs to do that. Whether it's armed services or intel, they really should do that. We're encouraging them to do that. We'll see what happens. And if they do, I think there's a good chance Bob Salas is going to be able to testify. And the others, at least two, but preferably four, just to make the point.

However, Nancy, Hellar High Water, Mace has indicated that she wants to hold another hearing. And it wouldn't shock me if she holds another hearing before the end of the year. Why not? The Congress is still, you know, the new president will take over on January 20. The new Congress will take over on January 23. The House is not going to change. So the committee chairs are going to probably remain the same. And so she might do that.

And so this is very, very important, very substantive. And so I'm suggesting that in terms of the, as we move toward, as we continue to drive our icebreaker forward, the point of the icebreaker may ultimately be the nuclear weapons witnesses, because when they testify, which I know the Pentagon just shakes over that prospect, when these witnesses testify to the world under oath, and everybody that needs to know understands, that these entities who are very, very advanced on numerous occasion turned off our nuclear weapons.

And then we turned them back on and that they also did it in the Soviet Union. And furthermore, when queried, and I'm pretty sure about this, when these weapons, when these witnesses are then queried, do you have some sense of why they did this? I know what the answer is going to be. It's a message, not a threat. It is a message, not a threat. And the difference between those two statements is so profound, I cannot fully describe it.

The difference between shutting off our nuclear weapons as a threat and setting off our nuclear weapons as a message is the difference between, hey, anytime they want us, they got us. So like live your life, enjoy it because soon it'll all be over. And there is a profound future ahead involving our relationship with off-world civilizations that's going to change everything. And it's going to happen soon. That's a big difference. All right.

Now, you can decide which one you think is more likely. I have already made my decision. I'm quite confident in it. But pretty soon the world is going to be able to make their decision. I can't be more pleased with what just happened, but I'll tell you, I've never felt better about the potential for getting through this than now because of one thing and one thing only, the looming prospects that a hearing of the power necessary to provide a president, whether it's this president or the next president, the basis on which to end this truth embargo, which is decades beyond any justifiable existence. Yeah. Ending it once and for all. So that's my take on the last couple of days.

I will now submit to questions, which possibly I'll be able to give a short answer. Feeling I'm at a press conference now. Always. That's right. No, but it is really interesting because, you know, I had like this list of questions here. And you actually touched on like all of them one by one. And you'd even know what I do. But it actually worked out well because what I learned in that is,

I was looking at my questions while you were giving your synopsis there of the hearing. The main takeaway for you was what didn't come up and what could come up, meaning the nuclear weapons aspect when it comes to, you know, ETs and off-world craft and their capabilities. Because that is something, I mean, I was, as you know, I don't have to tell you, you were there, but I was right there with you and Bob and Ron James. We're all in there together waiting to go in and have. these conversations and it was fascinating to me to talk to you and to Bob Salas kind of off the

record while we were waiting to get in and to hear his take. I mean, I admire that so much. He was there before I got there. And I got there at a quarter to five and he was already in line. Here's a guy who, correct me from wrong, he's 84 years old. And he's there. I'm 38. He's there before I get there. And he's out in the cold waiting in line. And this is a guy who experienced it. This is a guy who was in the room when the nukes were shut off back in the 60s during the Malmastrum Air Force Base incident. And he's in line. So you talk about having to humble yourself and also.

He's not humbling himself. I mean, he fully respects. But he should be invited. And I think that's something that I know you guys were trying to do. But he put himself, and this is just, this is just, you know, my opinion, kind of reflecting back on that. you know, he should have been, in my opinion, he should have been in a warm hotel room with a driver bringing him over at 11 a.m.

Instead of in line at 4 o'clock in the morning, but he did that just so you could say, like you said with the quote, just show up. And that's part of success. And it turns out that, okay, it didn't happen this time where he was talking about the Malmstrom Air Force Base incident,

but the steps were taken where he was in front of different members and things like that and had the conversations where now maybe that doesn't have happening in the future. And that's such a sensitive conversation to take place that I'm really fascinated to see how it goes in the future. I mean, so what do you think next steps are?

Yeah, let me elaborate on this for those that are trying to rock this. Look, this is a very complex process underway because the issue was so incredibly profound, the history is so involved and complicated. There's so many institutions and individuals and politicians and everything else involved. This is a big deal. I mean, this is not something. This is get it done, right?

No. So there's dozens and dozens of facets to this that are implied that you just can't ignore. So here is two. One, the reason you're not going to see any contactees testify before Congress. until after disclosure is because that gets into an area that is really both complicated and challenging and awkward. So they're going to have to wait. Nuclear weapons being shut down, that's a no-brainer.

But having somebody sit in front of Congress and try to explain the basis, how they were. taken and ultimately hybrid children were created, that's about a hundred times more difficult to deal with. And so that can't happen. In other words, we need to get to disclosure. Then we can expand to the rest of the issues. It's a simple, pragmatic thing. So that's the reason why you're not going to see them. The reason that the nuclear weapons shut off witnesses, which absolutely should be testifying,

haven't testified yet and we're having to work so hard to get that is because the nature of this testimony it's going to be more complicated for for the larger public to address so when you testify at a hearing it is filmed it goes out to the world if the hearing is substantial enough millions and millions of people are going to see it and it's possible that the major with the hearing that i'm talking about may be seen by two, three hundred million people, either live or in, in, uh, and recorded. And so millions of people are suddenly learning maybe for the first time that many years ago, the ET's were turning off our nuclear weapon. Now, many of them are going to jump to the conclusion that, that, my God,

that they are, well, able to do with with us what they want as they kind of already figured out. And that, that was a threat. And we, we could be taken over, destroy. by ETs at any time. This is going to create a lot of angst. Because until after disclosure, we're not going to be able to get to where we can really start fleshing these things out and get more testimony that will be able to provide a proper, more accurate picture of the E.T. Situation.

So it's got to go in steps. Yeah. And so that's a problem. And it's also, it raises the issues of national security immediately. which is a very big challenge for the Department of Defense. And so that's why they're holding off on that. But ultimately, I think they will testify before disclosure. I think it's more likely than not.

Now, every hearing that we do have, every bit of progress that we make in educating and bringing this issue to culmination, the closer we get, the easier it is, I think for them to make the decision, let's accept these witnesses. Let's bring them in, right? Absolutely, they should be testifying.

And so they need to do that. And so that, I'm just trying to explain why, well, why not? Why didn't they come up before? Why not these witnesses? We need to get to disclosure. We need to get the Congress educated. And a lot of this education doesn't necessarily have to be in front in a hearing filmed to the general public.

A lot of the education of members of Congress, and there's been a lot of it, has been private in their offices. Sure. And so the education level of the United States Congress now as compared to say just seven years ago when the Two of the Stars Academy came forward and this end game began is probably quite significant. We have the most educated Congress on this subject ever laboriously accomplished through a lot of effort by people bringing these witnesses up, witnesses, forward briefings, and of course, everything in the public domain. And that was necessary. If you tried to get this done 30 or 40 years ago, you'd be doing with the Congress at, what, what?

What? They don't know. And so that's changed. And so, again, this is where we're at. And this is what I'm thinking could happen. Oh, to give you the final wrap on that. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S.

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Yeah. We could get the hearing before the, before January 3, which is an important time break. And that's when the new Congress takes over. The House doesn't change, but the Senate does. We could have that hearing easily in December. And we should. With all the, all the major witnesses, including at least three, four, of the nuclear weapon shut down witnesses. If we do hold that hearing, then it will be quite

easy for the president to come forward immediately afterwards and end the truth embargo. Immediately followed by many other heads of state, which will step forward, finally freed up to be able to come forward and say yes. That is in fact the case. We have our own information about that and so forth. And we are in the post-disclosure world. Now, the reason that's the way to go, is that by the time the new president takes office on January 20, we will already be almost a month into the post-disclosure world, right? With the other heads of state coming forward, the press has gone crazy, everybody's watching. It's a big deal.

And for the next 20, 30 days, it's just a rapid, I guess you create learning curve. Yeah. And so by the time the new president takes office, that's out of the way. and now the new president will be the first president to engage the post-disclosure world in all of the aspects of it and all of how to do with it and and so forth what the opportunities are what are the challenges and so forth otherwise the new president's come into office and this this this huge thing is still revolving around in the air right above us unresolved right it's still going to be dealt with along with everything else that the new president is going to be facing which i can assure you

is substantial. And what is most important about that is, I assure you, however, the president handles this, other heads of state will follow very, very quickly. And very quickly, it doesn't become just America disclosure. It is global disclosure, which means that it's going to be fine. In other words as we have many many countries starting to come forward on this and talk about it and the world is being informed it's going to be fine so I'm not worried all right and so that's my call it's either going to happen before January 3 or it's going to happen in the first 60 days the next administration the the only thing I the thing this moment could happen that would disrupt this and the one I'm most worried about is a nuke event and it's a new event and

in the Ukraine-Russia war. Right. That is going to sideline it, I assure you. If that happens, there's going to be one matter on the agenda of every major nation in this world. And that is how can we stop, how can we prevent that expanding? How can we prevent another new being used? because that's it. Everything else will be trivial at that point.

And that may, however long that takes. And then if the new situation does expand, it won't matter what our hopes and dreams are with respect to disclosure. It will be a non-issue at that point. So that's kind of my assessment for right now. Wow. Well, we cover the whole game of there, Steve. Yeah, that's for sure.

But really, really profound, really, again, unique perspective on everything, which is why I always love talking to you on here. And even when we got to meet in D.C., it was great to have one-on-one conversation about a lot of these things. So before we're done, if you still have a little bit of time. A little bit of time. Okay.

I just want to go back a little bit to the meeting that you and Bob Salas had with one of the representatives. What was your feel after that? How did this representative take the meeting? Good? Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely.

Let me tell you, the House Subcommittee or the House Oversight Committee, That was a joint, by the way, hearing. That's right. It's my understanding. A joint hearing in that case means that members of the subcommittee, of course, it's a subcommittee hearing, but any member of the oversight committee, the larger committee, right, can come. That's why they had, I think, a total of 12 people that actually were on the panel.

Yeah. So they have taken the lead. The Senate took the lead in the legislation. Clearly, all four of the pieces of legislation, the only four that the United States has passed, have originated out of the Senate. Okay. There have been, well, actually, that's, okay, so, yeah, all four. Now, there has been several submissions in the House. Okay.

Garcia submitted something. Actually, he submitted kind of a version of the UAP Disclosure Act, but it didn't get addressed. Yeah. Burchett has submitted recently some witness protection language, a bill. And that may pass, but it hasn't passed yet. And I think there was something else. But of the four pieces of legislation have been passed and signed into law, it all came out of the Senate.

But the hearings are coming out of the House. Okay, that's good. That's fine. But I tell you that the House people who are, it's an unfriend. partisan, but to be absolutely fair, this, this, this, this, uh, hearing effort in the House has been essentially led by the Republican members of the UAP caucus. And by the way, that's the first caucus ever on this subject. Okay. And it's growing. I think it's about eight members. And so the Republicans have taken the lead in the House. Uh, it's been pretty much more bipartisan,

uh, in the Senate, but there's also, uh, dams on it. So it is basically a bipartisan effort both houses and and this is one of the most important things i think that you everybody out there needs to know that on numerous occasions individuals in the senate and individuals in the house that are dealing with this have gone out of their way to say that this is in fact a nonpartisan issue that it is being conducted that way that is very helpful that it is being conducted that way. They're very pleased about this. And the message they're trying to give is a message I hope people will hear. And I'll phrase it this way. Then I'm going to let you go. I don't think anybody's going to be shocked to hear this. Some will be go, yeah, I don't hear that or I don't

believe it. But most people, I think, will get it. That if you could sit down in a nice, comfortable place have a drink or two with all 535 elected members of our house and senate with nobody to hear so it's it's a private thing just kind of get together and just talk what you would learn after 535 of these chats is that the vast majority of these people are okay They're good people, right? And you're going to go, well, okay, that's kind of nice, but why are we having so much trouble? Because we have a dysfunctional political system that over the years is slowly, the wheels are falling off, the gas is empty, the insure wipers don't work, it just doesn't work. And that dysfunctional, both election and electoral system as well as the political system,

system as it functions. And I'm not going to go into all the ways. Most people know that is not functioning, but there are people that can give you extremely detailed analysis of that. Sure. And the nature of that dysfunction is it forces relatively okay people to act in very unpleasant and dysfunctional ways. Yeah. In other words, they are they are they are victims and chain to a dysfunctional system that is in the and this is where things get dangerous. is the system it is so dysfunctional that the dysfunction actually is blocking the ability to fix it. That puts you into kind of a death spiral. The same thing happens to the human body. There are some diseases that the very nature of the disease blocks the ability to treat the disease, in which case you're not in good shape. All right, and that's kind of what we have. But I ask people to consider that maybe the disease,

individuals that are trapped in the system that you have come to hate or maybe not as evil as you think all right and try to keep hold that idea as we try to address what's going on and and this is where we get to a particularly important point so far the the way forward where we can address these dysfunction and actually bring governance back to a place where we can get things done and there's consensus and so forth and we start fixing things.

I don't see, there's only one way I see back. I mean, I just, I just don't see another thing. There's been endless discussions and papers and research and pontification about this. None of it's working. There's only one that I can see. And that is this profound above all other things, this ET thing issue and then a resolution of it and the nonpartisan path there where these people can come together in common purpose on something of enormous significance may be exactly the way we're going to fix this or at least just diminish the dysfunction to a point where we can fix it. And so that is just one of the very important potential outcomes of this thing that's happening,

this movement that's going on. And I think they recognize that. And as I've gotten into this issue and I'm starting to get more exposure to the politicians, it's reinforcing that. You just get the sense. They're not as bad as you think. And they really would like to be able to govern and not have to. continue in an endless unresolvable death match, right?

Yeah. They really don't want that. And so this is something I invite people to consider as they decide whether they want to support the activist movement or not, whether they want to help fund the New Paradigm Institute or help fund the Halloward Disclosure Alliance or the Seoul Foundation or the UAP Disclosure Fund or Little Old Paradigm Research Group, all of which are non-profit. This is something to consider. And if I could just speak to that real quick, Steve, I mean, one thing I kind of picked up on while we were in the hearing, during the hearing, as the question went on from the different representatives, if I didn't know, and it sounds like maybe you had the same type of experience, if I didn't already know the partisanship of each representative, I would not have been able to tell, for the most part. There was one instance with someone, but for the most part.

But that was the encouraging thing for me was if I didn't know that, you know, Nancy Nace was a Republican. or that Robert Garcia was a Democrat, Jerry Moskowitz was a Democrat, and so on and so forth, then I couldn't tell. And that's really the, one of the big things I took away from it was, you do see that common interest. And it had nothing to do with a political agenda, because otherwise we would have come up in the questioning.

That's right. That is very true. So this is, for me, this is one of the major issues why this, issues why we absolutely cannot back down and we've got to get forward. And just to, again, to, I hate to add to in a negative note, but just to kind of emphasize what I just said is that in the first hearing with Grush, two very important Democratic members of Congress were there because they're part of those committees. I don't know. I don't know if this is a subcommittee or the oversight committee, but whatever. And if you go back and review, they just happen to be sitting on the very far left, at least from the audience perspective, because that's their responsibility.

signed seats and that was AOC as she is called and Jamie Raskin but they weren't there this time and when I went to hand out the affidavits though I actually I knew this but I was reminded of this when I went out to hand the affidavits because I was going to give it put it in their office those the the offices of Raskin and AOC are two of a number of also offices on the hill that are in lockdown. Now, what that means is, is that the public cannot simply walk in the door, which is what is the case of most of the offices on the hill. It has been for a long time.

You just walk in the door and speak to the receptions. The reason that there are these offices, exactly how many I don't know, but is because of death threats. Okay. So whatever reason. They weren't there. So let's, if the disclosure movement helps lead to a point, or it's no longer necessary to put any congressional offices under a lockdown because all the death threats have stopped,

that would be a pretty good thing. And we would be in a much better place. And so with that, I think I'm going to let you go, Steven. Hey, by the way, I got a feeling in another couple of months, you're going to be a, a star, but welcome to the podcast Army, my friend. And anytime you need to talk to me, you can just call me. You need somebody on five minutes notice. You call me.

The chances are pretty good. Yeah, I just open up the computer and give you an interview because that's what I do. I appreciate that. That's awesome, Steve. Thanks for that. So I appreciate your time and we'll talk again in the future. Thank you. We most certainly will.

Very cool. Thanks again to Steve Batson for joining the show here. And like I said, I'm sure we'll talk again in the future, both privately and on the show. So nice complimented there at the end. Appreciate that and appreciate his time. And hopefully you enjoyed it as well. So just a couple of other things that I wanted to get out there, some afterthoughts that popped into my head over really the past couple of days reflecting on this interview. The first one is the conversations and the interviews that I had after this hearing. So I actually, I was interviewed, right? I mean, I'm used to be.

being the interviewer, I was the interviewee a couple of times. The morning of the hearing, there was a radio station in Washington, D.C. that had me on as a guest for a few minutes to answer questions about the hearing. And then I was on another show, a show called Garage Logic, great group of guys. And they were kind enough to have me on this past Friday. So if you want to go check that out, you can check out Garage Logic where I was a guest. It was a really fun conversation. And it was cool for me to be able to, I guess introduce this topic to someone or a group of guys who hadn't really heard a lot of these things before, which is the vast majority of society, quite frankly.

And so to be able to introduce a lot of these ideas and these topics and these stories on that show, they had me on. It was great. They had me on for about 20 minutes, and it had a blast on that show. So if you want to check out that interview, it was on a show called Garage Logic, which is actually a very popular show. Maybe you've already heard of it yourself. So you can check that out on their podcast this past Friday, which was, let me just do some math real quick, November 15th. Yes, from November 15th on Garage Logic. So I got to go on those interviews and had a great time discussing all these things. And through that, I also had this thought pop into my head.

I had someone ask me the question, you know, where do you see this going? And that's a question I've asked myself many times. I mean, you just think about these things like what's going to happen the next three months, six months, a year, two years, ten years. And I think the way I see this going, the way I explained my answer was I think it's going to end up being, in the short term anyway, we're going to see what I, or what David Grush says called basic disclosure. And some people refer to it as controlled disclosure. I think in some sense we already have had controlled disclosure over the past few years. years as they've been more open about, you know, what the government knows, acknowledging the fact that these things are there. You know, there is something flying and we don't know what it is.

So that is a part of controlled disclosure. But I think we're going to get basic disclosure. Now, how soon that happens, I don't know. But what I mean by that is, you know, there is other life. They are here. They've crashed here. We have reversed engineer technology. The kind of stuff that David Grush has spoken about. So I thought about that and I answered that question during some different conversations over the past week. And then I came across this clip

from Nancy Mace as she was being interviewed by Joe Khalil from News Nation. Here's what she had to say. And I thought it was pretty similar. Having some kind of controlled disclosure, don't have to say everything, but the American people, and especially

Congress, we do deserve answers. So I thought that was it was more of a broad answer. She was saying that she's been speaking to people who are going to be appointed to different positions in the new Trump administration and those people as she's been speaking with are for this. They are for some type of control or basic disclosure. So she says, and this actually lines up with what Tim Burchett was saying last week,

where he says he feels like they are going to have disclosure during a Trump presidency. And she's saying from the conversations privately that she's had with some of new appointees that are coming in, based off those discussions that we will have some type of what she refers to as controlled disclosure. I refer to it as basic disclosure, but it is the same principle of those basic answers. There are, there is other life. They have been here. We do have reverse engineer technology. You know, there is a crash retrieval program, that type of stuff. So I do believe we will see that. I don't know. You know, I can just take the word for it. I think it's going to happen in the next few years or even in the short term.

Great. Let's go along for the ride. That's what we're here for on UAP. But I don't know when that's going to happen. Like I said, I'm just here for the ride along with you. And it is my pleasure and my honor to be able to report on it, I guess, or talk about it. And just be able to bring it to you as it happens in real time. Because I'm as interested as you are.

And it's, it's, it's always been fascinating to me, which is why I do this. And I'm, again, just so happy, honored, grateful more and more. I mean, the messages that I get, thank you so much for the messages, whether it's on the email or through social media. It's, it's incredible. And I never take it for granted. All the positive messages that you send me, I can't thank you enough. So that's why I'm always so honored to come on here and talk to you about this. the fact that you depend on the show to hear about these things means the world to me.

So it is always my honor to come on here and bring the news to you, to bring the stories to you, and to bring some unique perspectives on the subject and on the topic. So thank you for that. But like I said, we'll go along for the ride. And I do believe that we will end up at some point at some type of basic disclosure. And then maybe it's going to take a little bit longer. for all the more advanced things to come out. But I think we'll get those basic answers,

hopefully sometime soon. And I think that that's going to make them feel like they're tithing people over. They're saying, okay, here you go. It's all true. Go back to your daily lives. But don't worry about all the other things are going on behind the scenes like, you know,

black sites and experiments and all the different retrievals over the years and what they're making. You know, maybe there are some things that we don't need to know. But there are absolutely things that we do need to. to know and I think we need to get the answers to those basic questions and then hopefully

move forward from there. Like I said, we'll see how it all plays out. Until next time, though, Stephen Deanie here on UAP. I can't wait to come back with you again soon. I have a lot of things planned as always. So definitely stay tuned. Hopefully some more great guests coming up down the line. And of course, as we get into the holiday season, what's going to be happening with stories like this and as we get closer to the inauguration of President Trump as well, you know, how is that going to affect this discussion? So a lot of things coming up in the near future. So definitely stay tuned and follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter and TikTok at UA Podcast 850 and on YouTube at UA Podcast. And if you would like to email me, you heard me mention the

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Hmm. I'll let you know what that's all about. In the works is the keyword there. Kind of like how, you know, I had merchandise in the works. I still do plan on putting that out, by the way. If you're wondering whatever happened to the UAP merchandise, I do still plan up putting that out. But man, that was a little bit more involved than I thought it was going to be.

But anyway, thank you so much for everything, for listening, for the messages, and for taking me in. It is, again, my absolute pleasure and honor to do this with you all the time on UAP. So until next time, Stephen Deaner is saying, be well. Can't wait to talk to you again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Be well. Thanks.