UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 98 Drones? Answers from a Military Intelligence Insider

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

Listen into this wide ranging and uniquely revealing interview with military intelligence insider, "Anthony Williams," as he tells Stephen Diener what is not being said by government officials concerning the UK and New Jersey drone incursions. Strap in for this one...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My interview with James Fox, as we discussed the release of his very highly anticipated film, The Programme, coming out on Monday, December 16th. So we had a lot of great discussion about that. That was a really fun interview. And if you didn't get to hear it, then by all means, whenever you have time. But if you did, hopefully you enjoyed it. As we now, we go to today, just a day later, for episode 98 and another interview. And this one, very far-reaching, very wide-ranging with, as promised, Anthony Williams,

the military intelligence, insider military intelligence analyst, who is kind enough to come on here to UAP and discuss what he knows. in the latest goings on of the world of UFOs and UAPs. Always appreciate his time, always very gracious and thankful that he comes on here to talk to us because he doesn't do it anywhere else. Literally anywhere else does Anthony Williams go on and speak about what he knows and gives the clarity that he can give as a military intelligence analyst in the current situations that we're seeing,

whether it be the drone incursions right now or things in the past because we've spoken many, many times here on the show. What made this one special, and I say it as the interview begins, what made this one special was he was in studio with me. So I finally got to speak to Anthony Williams in person, right here in studio, in the UAP studios, if you will. So that was a lot of fun to meet in person and have him together, to have us together in the same room having a conversation.

It made for a really, really insightful time that I think you're going to enjoy. So I'm not going to have a whole long monologue here today before the episode. because I will just say two things real quick. Number one, you probably noticed it's a little bit longer than a normal UAP episode. And that is because, again, the conversation was very long and wide ranging when it comes to the UAP, the drone incursions that were seen in the UK and in New Jersey. But normally on an episode and a conversation this length, I would split it up into two parts. That's what I would normally do because I like to try to keep it at a certain time frame for you.

And I want to take up too much of your time. and I always appreciate you sticking around no matter what though but I just felt for this case for this conversation in particular it just felt like just going with my gut it felt like it was better served as one piece so I'm just going to serve it up to you here as one entire episode it just felt like it was better presented that way

this time around so I hope you don't mind the length but second thing real quick lastly is to keep in mind that this did take place last week. He and I spoke last week. He came into studio. That's what his schedule allowed for. And again, my fault for not getting this out sooner. There's just been so much going on since then to now

that it was trying to find a way to fit it all in and fit in all the latest information. But I figured, you know what? Let me just get this out now because you're going to hear us talk about the UK drone incursions, even though today that has died down. And the main story is New Jersey. But keep in mind, everything that Anthony is saying about the UK, applies to what's happening in New Jersey.

It's the same type of principle, the same type of conversation. And we do speak about New Jersey as well. We also speak about the siting that happened in Arizona a couple weeks ago. So we touch on a lot of things here during this episode. So I just wanted you to keep that in mind as you listen and you think to yourself, well, why aren't they talking about New Jersey more? Well, we spoke about last week. But put yourselves in the shoes of now, current day, because it really does still very much apply

to what is happening today over the skies in New Jersey. that is really kind of confounding and dumbfounding a congressman and all officials and the FBI alike, which is pretty wild to see all the conversations that have been taking place over the past few days. And then stick around for after we're done talking, because I'm going to come back on kind of like a post-credit scene, if you will, and give you some of the latest updates and tie it all together to what Anthony and I spoke about during this interview. Because actually, believe it or not, I just got at the phone with him. we were talking for a few minutes just about what is happening right now.

And I say, hey, can I relate to some of what we were just talking about on the phone and a personal conversation in this wrap-up of this episode? He said, yes, absolutely, please do that. So I'm going to come back and give the latest, his latest thoughts in the conversation after what you hear right now during this conversation. So very happy to finally bring this to you. Enjoy Anthony Williams right here on UAP. It's great to be here.

Thanks for having me. It just worked out that, you know, in the area. And, yeah, excited that we finally got to meet up face to face. Right. And I know a lot of people are going to be excited to hear what you have to say about everything that's been going on lately, whether it be the drone incursions over the UK. We've talked about Langley, but these are very similar. What's been happening in New Jersey, the sightings over Texas that were called in by airline pilots

and everything, all and everything in between. because these drones or lights or orbs have been seen everywhere throughout the world. So I know you have a lot of thoughts on it. And I want to start first, just with the all-encompassing question, as we try to hand on all these, I'll just ask the general question, what the hell is going on? What is happening? Yeah. So I get, believe it or not, I get that question a lot.

And I've been getting it in the last week in my circle. very frequently, like, what is happening? Is this an increase? What's going on? And, you know, I think we're looking at a byproduct of multiple things. I think the subject in general is being destigmatized at a level to where more people are aware of it. So more people are talking about it. So more people are looking for it. There was a lot of accusations, even as recent as, you know, three to five years ago of, you know, if there's all these things, where's all the video? all the, you know, information. And I think, you know, everyone's got a pretty high-definition camera now linked to their hip, and more people are looking up. And, you know, you mentioned something

a couple weeks ago before the hearings that you went to. And you talked about the fact you're trying to sensitize the audience to the fact that, hey, regardless of who speaks, it's good that they're speaking because the bulk of the audience and in the world is not as tuned into this subject as most the listeners are that are plugging into a podcast. like this and I think that's really astute for a number of reasons but what it does, what public hearings like that do is they do raise the awareness, they do desensitize and so more people are looking up? So the question is, are we seeing more activity or are more people just aware of it and more people are filming it, taking photographs, they're more willing to post it to

their page versus, you know, maybe five years ago a family sees something and they take a video and they're like, wow, and they're even scared to share it within their own circle or their own family, maybe other than a few of their closest friends, you know, where they'll show them the video and but, whoa, look at this crazy thing, which I've had that experience myself with family of ours around the Huntsville, Alabama area showing us videos. And that was three years ago, and it wasn't anything they would post on their social media, and it wasn't anything they'd share with anybody else. But with my background, you know, they were willing to open up and say, hey, what do you think this?

is. Yeah. So, so that's one aspect. I think we have a lot more people, you know, and frankly, the more videos that are coming out, the more images that are being shared, there's a higher level of believability. And I think the, the naysayers, the critics, the people that want to try and write things off, most of them are as qualified as any one of us, meaning they're not qualified at all to debunk or whatever they're doing. Those people are always going to be there. They're always going to run their mouth. But I think just like in politics that we're seeing where no one's really listening to the crazy and the negative, I think with this subject, enough credences being given to people that have seen things that any of the debunkers or the negative feedback or

the people that want to give their uneducated opinion, no one's listening. to that anymore because enough credence has been given, enough weight's been given. So I think that increases the amount of just people in the general public that are willing to look up at the sky, have a camera, aim it, record something. But what I think can't be, and that goes as far as like major media outlets. You know, they're taking the subject more serious. They're not writing it off as a B-roll story that we play at 3 a.m. Right.

You know, whether it's radio, TV, internet, podcasting, all these different venues are taking the subject way more literal. So that's one aspect. The other aspect is it cannot be discounted the fact that these credible sightings are happening at a extremely frequent rate. So it is more, right? It is absolutely more. Because I think it's really smart. The point that you make is absolutely true because the stigma has gone away. a more, well, it's probably the least, there is still a big stigma, but it's the least amount

that we've seen, if that makes sense. I think the stigma remains when you take it to the next level that you have no evidence of. So we see all these unknown things, these unknown videos that are, you know, strange, some quite disturbing, but when you make the leap to, that's a reptilian flying that thing. You know, that is a leap. Wait, where did you get that? Yeah.

Why do you think that? And that's where I think the stigma still lies. We have a lot of evidence of unknowns that cannot be explained. They can't be written off. And it's okay that that's happening, but we just need to be mature about it and acknowledge the fact that, hey, something is here. And we have no idea what it is. We can't explain it. It's the leap to the other side where think of this discussion 15 years ago.

Right. 15 years ago, I saw something. Sure you saw something. You know, there's that immediate reservation. Now it's, hey, I saw something. What did you see? Yeah. You know, now there's the interest to that, where even 15 years ago,

there's all these stories of these different species and these different aliens and all these different things. Well, we haven't bridged the gap yet to where that is past the stigma of being a little too fringe to just accept. Does that make sense? Oh, for sure. And I think it's kind of like baby steps in a way for the general public where now the general public is starting to accept, okay, these hearings are taking place in front of Congress, for example, right? And they're seeing the general public is seeing drones or weird lights, whatever we want to say, fly over their homes in New Jersey or in Texas or in Philly or Milwaukee or Oklahoma where all these different sightings. People are writing to me saying, I'm seeing things here, I'm seeing things there. and, you know, those are people that may not have even wanted to talk about it before, like you said.

So it does seem like it's a little bit of both where you have the willingness of the general public to accept the possibility a little bit more. But it does seem like also it's happening more, right? Right, right. Which is weird. So why would it be happening more? Yeah. So you, if you go to a baseball stadium and you're the only one in there for batting practice and you're, you're, favorite player hits a home run. You're the only witness to the home run, but he still hit it and the

ball still went out of the stadium. If that person goes and talks and five more people sit in during batting practice and he hits another one, you know, you fill the stadium. Now you have thousands of witnesses, you know, seeing the home run, right? So we have a larger number of people paying attention when there is a sighting, but we're having a larger number of home runs being hit. There's a lot more sightings for people to look at. So we're starting to see things, which is really exciting if you think about it, but we're starting to see a siting over an area and there are multiple different reports coming out of it, multiple different views of cameras filming it. And that's something that I don't think existed five, ten years ago. And if it did exist,

it wasn't anything that was taken serious. If you think back to the Phoenix Lights, for instance, Another mass sighting where you had multiple people seeing the same event. 1997, right. I mean, that's almost 30, no. Yes, almost 30 years ago. Oh, my gosh. But the stigma existed then where even with all those witnesses, that was not something that was comfortable to even bring up

unless it was with a caveat of a joke up front or one at the end. Well, no, you're right. I mean, you think just back to then, I've talked about it here on the show with the former mayor, I believe, of Phoenix. It was the governor of Arizona, Five Symington, where he came out to the press conference wearing an alien suit and then he took off the head. It was a joke.

And then later on he regretted it because he saw the lights as well. But, you know, that was the response to it then. And I think that is, it's a good point to make that the response has changed. But it still doesn't take away the fact that it

is happening more. More in these sightings, craft, whatever the craft are, are flying more over bases, homes, out in the open for people to see. Yep. And that part, I think, is the part that people are trying to figure out is this. I mean, obviously there's a reason behind it, but I guess what would be the reason? I mean, obviously some people try to make the leap.

Is there an alien invasion coming? Right. Is it even NIH to begin with? Or are we looking at adversarial tech in some cases? Well, I would love to talk about both, though. So when we're talking about the general audience, we're talking about, you know, the bulk of the population that is now more keyed into looking less afraid of repercussions of claims. So that's one aspect. But let's look at the things and the things that exist that have always had skin in the game for reporting.

Airline pilots, military pilots, government agencies that monitor the sky. when I say that there's more things to be looking at, it's because those people that have always been looking at it, they are seeing more than they've ever seen. So it's not just that the average person, the average citizen is now more aware and they're looking more. The people that have always been looking are seeing a lot more of it. We are seeing a lot more of it on our side than we've ever seen,

almost at a brain-breaking rate, you know, to just keep abreast of every. And if it was one person's full-time job, I don't know that you'd have enough hours in the day to stay keyed in on everything that's happening globally, not just in the U.S., but, you know, worldwide that's taking place. So there's definitely an uptick. And the other question I get all the time is why? Yeah. Why is there an uptick? Well, there's a lot of human, there's a lot of societal and cultural bias that I could put on whatever these things are and make an executive. educated military guests. But I don't think any of that's fair because we don't have enough

understanding of the motivations, the drives, the purpose of any of that to determine why that's uptick. That would be a false narrative that you could run down a rabbit hole and be completely wrong. And then you start making decisions and bridging things off based on a bad assumption up front. But let's look at some of the things that we know we're seeing, which is an uptick around military installations, uptick around sensitive areas, whether that's nuclear power plants along the East Coast, or whether it's military basing or sensitive sites, you know, government, military, U.S., abroad, everywhere.

That is definitely an alarming rate of increase. And the other thing that gets asked all the time, and you alluded to it right there, is, are we seeing adversarial tech is this ours? Are these ours? And, you know, a blessing, a real blessing today is the increase in technology, the rate of increase, how fast things are accelerating. And, you know, with the advent of computers, then the advent of the internet, now the advent of AI and all these other things, that we're in our lifetime, we're going to see that just explode. Technology is absolutely going to explode. You know, long gone are the days of a doctor writing a lot. letter putting it on a horseback and sending it across the ocean to get an answer from another doctor you literally have endless amounts of knowledge right at your fingertips and everyone does but that doesn't explain what happened 20 years ago and it doesn't explain what happened 30 years ago and it doesn't explain all these things that are exactly what we're seeing today that we saw 20 years ago 30 years ago 40 years ago it can't write all that off so when you look at and I get asked all the time and some people really are just convinced like that's ours that's that

That's our tech. That's our stuff. And I look at them. I'm like, dude, first of all, you have no clue. You don't work in industry and you don't work in government. So you're just speculating based on cool movies and, you know, newsreels that you see that, oh, we must have that. And I'm here to tell you that when it comes to emerging technology and how we procure it and how we send out contracts and all these different companies that work on things, if you look at Bob Lazar's big claim, right? His big beef was you have this exquisite technology, and we're going about science all wrong. You've got a really few group of people that might not even be the most qualified trying to reverse engineer this thing, and that's not how we should be doing science. We should have the smartest, the brightest, the largest group that we can get together, all crashing on the problem, finding out different ways to think about it. And that's not what they were doing in the 80s. That was his big beef.

Okay, right. You know, if you think about that. So the claim that it's our tech or that it's an adversarial tech, I'm just going to go on record and say right now, no. It is not. And here's why it's not. You're very confident about that. 100%. And here's why it's not.

I watch the way we research and develop in extremely classified programs and the amount of money that we put into these. I'm watching where we're experimenting with future technologies that are emerging. in certain areas of the world right now. And the amount of resources, the amount of assets, the amount of horsepower and brain power and financial power and time that goes into developing these things and the amount of secrecy that goes behind concealing these capabilities before they're ready for prime time, that is a big lift.

So the accusation is that a much smaller group of people, with way more limited resources are able to skyrocket past all the things we're currently doing that are not overt, that are not out in the public, that are super highly classified programs that have this big tail behind it to make widget A that I just found out about today, for instance, and all the things that went to make widget A,

you're telling me that we have a smaller, more secretive thing, that can trump that and we're not using it at all. This is the bleeding edge of technology right here. And I'm looking at it firsthand. And you want me to rationalize my brain around that, a smaller group of people, more closed off, less collaboration, less time. Such as in China or Russia. Came up or within our own government. Yeah.

Something within our own government or within these own. When these companies are bringing everything to bear and the best they can get to is a ballpoint pen. You're telling me someone else, three guys in a closet came up with a laser pen. You know, in the same amount of time when we just invented the ballpoint pen, that's what you're asking me to agree with or wrap my head around that that's somehow possible. That's not possible. And so if we look at our adversaries where they're at, where their technology is, I'm not the only guy saying it. Everyone else in government that's spoken on this topic, whether Dave Fravor, Louel is on. all these people that I've never met.

Yeah. They're coming up with the same thing saying, no. Dave Fravers said, I work with Bleeding Edge aviation emerging technology. There's nothing even close that we're even talking about developing, that we're even conceptualizing how to get to do these things. There's nothing on the plate three, four, you know, 20, 30 years down the road. When we look at advanced planning and advanced tech, we're looking that far down the road. There's nothing even on the schedule that gets close to that.

So I write that off right away to say that somehow this is ours. Now, there is an aspect that we often do, and people have seen it publicly, which is the whole spoofing idea, right? Okay, right. In San Diego, for instance, there was a video, and it might not have been San Diego, so please no one, you know, murder board me over this one. But, you know, there was a video of a big lit up fish in the sky flying. It was really like 3,000 drones. And then they reorganized and then they made this. And, you know, that's drone art, right?

Yeah. Spoofing. That's not a fish flying in the sky. So maybe it's something spoofing that it's something else. Well, we've got too much video evidence. We have too much pilot interaction with these things to be able to write it off or spoof it that it was anything that can be explained. So it's fascinating.

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that are flying over those bases because they are built with the regulations that they can't fly over restricted airspace. Anybody who buys a drone can't fly it over a base, they can't fly it over restricted airspace, such as an airport, whatever it might be, a nuclear power plant. So if it is some type of drone,

then it's coming from a different country like China that doesn't have those regulations built into the tech. So is that an option? Or are we looking at something else? What do you make out of the UK situation? Like a nuclear power plant on the drone? That discussion or... Well, there's actually, yeah, there are two parts to that.

There was a report that I got personally from someone who says that they have a source in intelligence that works in Europe. And they're telling them that the reason why those drones aren't shot down is because they're prohibited from shooting down something like that because of surrounding areas where people live. So it's a danger to civilians. And also they're measuring some type of nuclear signals. on these drones. That hasn't been reported anywhere, but that's what someone was telling me that's their, you know, the person that they know in intelligence who works in Europe is telling them. So a couple of things come to mind. One, you can't do anything over a military base until you can. So, you know, all the things that we're not allowed to shoot or blow up,

you can shoot and blow up once you get permission to do it. So that's, that's a one-off right there and just say, oh, well, we can never do it. Not true. You just have to get the right guy to say yes. Second of all, we don't let civilian drones fly over things, which you talked about for a number of reasons. Tyler's comment about, you know, commercial or, you know, privately purchasable drones. It's 100% correct when there's a notice to airmen put out a restricted airspace. The drone absolutely will land. But over our sensitive locations, we've been going after recreational drone pilots that fly over restricted airspace. We've been going after those guys for years. That's not new.

And you catch them, right? I mean, they're traced back. It usually ends pretty quickly, I would assume. We don't always catch them, but we catch a lot more than you'd think. And so right off the bat, the response does not make sense. The government response, whether it's over Langley, whether it's over the U.K., the U.S. bases there, the response does not make sense. It absolutely doesn't pass the sniff test. Because of how long they're letting it go on, right?

And they're just letting them fly over with impunity. So to me, and I know you and I briefly touched on it one of the last times we spoke, but, you know, to me, when we first, when we first got into Iraq and Afghanistan, our F-15s or F-16s that would fly over, you would watch people on the ground attempt to shoot at them with an AK-47. But then they stopped doing that. And do you know why they stopped? No, why? Because you can't hit an F-16 and F-15 with an AK-14.

You're just going to 47. So it just is just no point. They're flying too fast. They're too high. They're out of the range. So if we're thinking that we should see something that's not happening, then maybe it is because that thing that you think we should be doing, we know isn't going to work. So why would we do it?

Why would we fire a squirt gun at NF16 when you know you're not going to take down NF16 with a squirt gun? So a theory is we don't have the capability to even match up to these things flying over the basis, which is very unsettling. And do we want to display that we don't have the capability to do anything about it? So all we can do is basically just monitor and chase them away until people are not a threat. And the stuff that's being reported should be alarming. And I think to most people that hear it, I don't think any, some people might consciously think about it.

But I think some people, you know, it would be like if you picked up a fork and I said, that's the correct wrong fork. You'd be like, wait, wait, that, you know, that sentence doesn't make. sense. Is it the right one or the wrong one? What am I dealing with? And so, you know, these are being reported and the reports coming out are, hey, these are not hostile, also we don't know what they are. Right, right. That doesn't, that's the correct wrong state to make. What do you mean they're not hostile when you just said you have no idea what they are? Well, it's a great point. And also to that point, you had the U.S. representatives, I'm sure you've seen that U.S. Air Force Special Operations are there at these bases and talking to civilians, asking questions on the ground and investigating

it. And they're saying that it's not a threat. But then you have the Ministry of Defense on the UK side, speaking out of the other side of the mouth, saying that we take threats seriously. Right. So which one is it? Which one is it? Well, and when you look at the Europe theater, you know, in general. So right now, you know, there's a little conflict going on over there, you know, between Russia and Ukraine. And, you know, Russia has openly said that, you know, if certain things happen, they are going to, you know, take actions in Europe. So could this be a Russian thing where they're flying drones and harassing U.S., you know, British air bases?

Absolutely. There's a motivation there. There's a cause. So that if you look at why would someone do this? Why would they fly a drone over here? Well, there is actually a reason for it there, right? NATO weapon systems are being used against Russian territory, which Putin said, he would have a response to you.

So you can write that off and say, well, there's a thing that's happening that we don't know. And there is a motivation to do a thing like that, whether it's spying or harassing or causing disruption and air traffic or whatever it is that's happening. But that doesn't explain the type of things that we're seeing. So some of the reports are drone and some of the reports look like things we would see that are drones. But they're not long-distance drones, meaning they would have to originate close by. Other things that were seen long before, you know, there's been a lot of people that have commented and pointed out things like, oh, hey, you know, there was a report that came out, you know, that you should have read that, you know, it's been confirmed that those are drones over Langley. Okay. So my answer to that is you believe everything you read on the internet then.

Like, you believe that news report? Okay. Go ahead. Believe that one. But the first sightings reported were these are glowing orbs. Right. These are not quadcopters. These are not one-way attack drones.

These are not any form of unmanned aerial system that we're used to seeing. These are anomalous orbs like we're seeing everywhere else in the world and now they're right over Langley, Virginia. That's the initial report. That's the alarming part. Yeah. And over the UK, it's the same thing. There are reports coming out of points of origin of where they think these things are originating from flying over, but they're not going back to that. And then there's a discrepancy in what's being seen.

Some sightings and some recordings do not look anything like a common UAS system that we are seen in active combat theaters right now by the adversary that would be using them there. So if you see their whole menu of options in the worst scenario at play, then if they're going to use something, you know, especially in a resource-constrained environment like they find themselves in, you'd expect to see something that they already have readily available. being used in a different area. But that's not what we're seeing. We're not seeing commonality between what they're doing here and what they might want to do here of those being the same. If they were, we could say, oh, that's a Shahid drone that they got from Iran, this is this,

this is a Chinese commercial off-the-shelf drone that they got here, but we're not seeing that. That's not what's being reported. And I think what's really, I guess, thought-provoking on that, too, is that these aren't long-distance drones, like you said. This isn't somebody that we do know. Like this isn't someone sitting in a base somewhere controlling these remotely from a thousand miles away. Right.

So these are short distance. They have a point of origin somewhere close by. So when we say short distance, what are we looking at? 50 miles, 100 miles, 200 miles, or less than that? Depending on the size of the drone, if you're talking real small, you're talking within a few miles. But if you're talking a little bit bigger, not much bigger, maybe even the size of this table, you know, you could be talking up where, you know, close to 50 miles to 100 miles, you know, depending. Yeah. But and then the type of the type of power plant, the longevity and, you know, what the type of drone is.

But that doesn't account for the anomalous sightings, the orbs, the different things that we're seeing them do. There's a video out there that's pretty disturbing of an F-15 coming on station. And I don't know if you've studied like the stall speeds and how slow an F-15 can go versus how fast it can go. But let's just assume those things go in a few hundred miles an hour. For a drone to instantly be stationary and then erratically outpace an F-15, that's not a quadcopter. Yeah. That's not. Yeah, we have drones that can fly hundreds of miles an hour.

Sure. Sure we do. But they're not ones that can stay stationary for hours on end and then just decide when they're going to zip away at lightning speed instantaneously. Those are the ones that you look at and you say, okay, still don't know what it is. That's not anything we have and that's not anything we've seen anywhere else. And it's not anything, any adversary who has a vested interest to use to their advantage, anything that they have has used. Wow. And this is, yeah, man, you know, and to make the point, too, this has been going on for over two weeks now. So when we talk about the, you know, the mind games from an adversary, right?

You talk about the harassment, the spying. Just to use a real-life example that we saw a few years ago, the Chinese spy balloon. Yep. As it traversed, you know, west to east over the continental U.S., that lasted for a few days, as far as I remember. Right. At the very, maybe about four or five days before we finally shot it off the coast of South Carolina over. the water. Yeah. Now that's a lot less time than what we're seeing here in the UK. So what is the normal amount of time that you've seen in your experience for harassment or spying? Let's dumpster dive

that and tie a couple questions together. Yeah. Is this adversary tech? What if it's China? They're so advanced. Bro, they just flew a hot air balloon over. That's how advanced they are. And I want you to think about that. Everyone lost their mind because they flew over our most sensitive sites. So that's what they chose to use to fly over our most sensitive sites. It's a great point. So now all of a sudden we think they, oh, it must be trying to doing all these things over Langley.

Bro, they just used a hot air balloon. Like, not that that's a bad option, low visibility, hard to spot, you know, all these different reasons why you might want to use that. But if they flew that over all of our most sensitive areas, it would be erroneous to think that that's the same country that's doing all this other stuff for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks on end and over sites that don't always make a lot of sense to what they would want to collect on. What they collected on is that balloon passed over made perfect sense to anyone that looked at

the sites that it flew over that knows what we have there that made sense. But some of the areas where this is happening does not make sense. It's amazing. So your best estimation then, what is it? I think you need to take some people at their word. And when I see people with their lives on the line that have nothing to gain, raise their right hand and swear before Congress that they're going to tell the truth, and they're telling you what this is, I tend to believe that because they're committing a felony if they're lying.

And there's no motivation. There's no silver, there's no golden ticket at the end of the rainbow for them, for telling this story. You look at Dave Fraver, you look at Ryan Graves, all these guys and what they're trying to do in their private lives, there's no benefit of them

to go up there, raise their right hand, and say the things that they're saying. Dave Grush does not have a multi-million dollar contract that I'm aware of waiting in the shadows that, hey, once I go public, we're going to get rich on this thing. None of that is the case. As a matter of fact, their lives have become way more restricted,

way more, you know, You look at Jason Sands, for instance, and in his story, whether you believe it or not, him going public has greatly affected his personal life and his ability to provide for his family. And that's why these whistleblowers are slow to come out. They're hesitant to come out. But when they do and when these people testify before Congress, you have to realize that there's no shadow UAP disclosure government that, you know, that you may be part of that, you know, all these people might be part of that, hey, if we can just get you. to say this before Congress, you're a millionaire. There's no financial benefit to them, and it's a felony if they're lying.

And not one that's taken lightly. Contempt of Congress, unless you're a politician, seems to be a big deal. They put people in jail for that. Yeah. Right? We've seen people in the last five years

go to jail for that. So, you know, I think we need to take them, you know, at their word. And when guys like Dave Grush, guys like Lou Elizondo, guys like Dave Fraver, guys that are testifying before say, hey, this is not ours, this is otherworldly, this is not human, I think you need to take it at its face value. I don't think you can make a leap to

say, well, we know exactly what it is or where they're from, but this is not human. And just in general, or are we talking specifically UK as far as not human? I'm talking everything we're seeing. Really? That falls into that category, what you and I were talking about, you know, before this. you know, you have what can be written off. And I showed you a video that someone sent me that I can easily explain what that is. Yeah.

We run into a lot of that. But for the ones that are truly anomalous, that don't make any sense, that don't pass a scratch test, I don't think we can jump to a leap and say, that's from Zeta Ritigula. You know, and that's the graze. You know, I think that's a rabbit hole. We can't go down yet. But I think it's safe to say that this is not human. This is not ours. This is not an adversaries.

And the fact that it is unknown, and we know it's unknown, I think we've known a certain level of fact that this is unknown for a while. And do I think that there are probably people within our government that might have more knowledge that has yet to come out? Absolutely. I think that is absolutely true. But I think the people that have testified are being honest, they're being sincere, they're talking to people. to people that have been on program that have the knowledge, and they're saying, this is what this is.

This is what this recovery program was. This is not human. We have recovered biologics. All these statements, I think, create a huge long-term liability for the sender of the message if they're lying. Yeah. There's zero benefit for them getting that story out there, for them personally, for them financially, that I can tell,

that I can see from anything that they're doing in their private lives. And they're getting famous, but that fame doesn't equal anything. Sure. You know, it doesn't equal a dollar amount. So, you know, for me personally, this is my personal opinion. I tend to take those guys at their word when they look at this, talking about what they know to the level that they can share it. knowing some of the things I know,

I believe that's what we're looking at. It's incredible, really. I mean, it's a big statement to make. And, you know, I commend you for saying it because, number one, you know, you have to feel comfortable enough to say it. And, you know, reputation-wise, things like that, you know, people coming at you saying,

oh, you're wrong about it. And you would know, which is why, you know, we have you on the show and people love having you on the show and they love hearing from you because quite frankly you know more than we do and you've seen more things and you're ready in on more things

and there's obviously a lot of things you still can't talk about but just to have someone in your position to come on and say what we're seeing is non-human it shouldn't be taken lightly at all it's a massive statement well I appreciate that I you know I just and the community

that I work in, no one can wrap their head around any other logical answer. And no one can come to any other logical conclusion, knowing what we know that the public does not know, seeing what we've seen that the public has not seen, knowing how far we've gone in certain directions, there's no leap we can make that makes sense other than that. And frankly, you know, I've been asked recently as well, hey, do we think we're leading up to some, you know, mass disclosure? Well, let's look at what we know already, right? So you have people talking about catastrophic disclosure, fast disclosure, ultimate disclosure, all those different adjectives and adverbs that we want to add onto the word disclosure.

I've been saying for a while, I think we already have it. I think people have come out publicly. They've sworn into Congress. They've already said what these things are to the level of knowledge that they have confidently and if you look at what's taken place in the last five years, if this is a slow rolled disclosure, it would be right on track with an operation that we would do to desensitize a public population on anything, whether that's creating the myth that this country in particular are bad guys, and we want everyone to believe that they're bad guys, and how would you slow

roll that, what evidence would you show, what would come out, all these different things. So, you know, we're leading to something. And I don't, I haven't wrapped my mind around yet. And I don't have an opinion on whether I think these things, you know, mean as harm or if they're just checking things out. But if you look at the totality of everything that's been happening over the last 50, 80 years, whether it's cattle mutilations, abduction accusations, sightings, different types of sightings, different types of craft, different displays over government sites, different effects from coming close to these things, documented by doctors of adverse, you know, human reaction. You know, is there a reason why these things aren't getting closer

because they've seen what happens when they do and they don't want to do that, you know? We do that on our own planet. We see the way that human activity in this area impacts the environment in that area so we don't do things a certain way in certain environments when you go scuba diving you don't touch coral anymore because we realize if you touch coral and if you do a lot of these things it can be bad for the environment that we're trying to observe so you know again i can put a whole bunch of societal you know ideas or mindsets or values that we value in our society and in our culture and overlay it to what we're seeing and it doesn't i don't think that gives us an honest, look at what is behind anything else's motivation.

I think for certain there's observing going on of really sensitive areas for reasons that we don't know. And it is ramping up at a rate that we can't really understand. When we observe something multiple times, if you're thinking militaristically, we observe it first to find out what it is. Okay. And then once we determine what it is, we try to classify it and its capability and what it can and then we monitor it for disposition. What's it doing? Is the missile still down on the bed of the truck,

or is it pointed up in launch mode? Is it, you know, what's happening? What's the disposition of it? Does it look like it's ready to use in the next 24 hours? Does it look like it's mothballed in storage? What's the disposition of it? So to get a relook, to keep seeing these things hitting sites over and over again, what are they observing?

I don't know. But it doesn't make sense, you know, from a human militaristic standpoint, to spend two weeks soaking an area and observing an area like these bases in Europe for anything that we can comprehend. But again, that's putting our own mindset, our own values onto what might be there, our own opinion of motivation that might be there, and we're dealing with something that we can't understand,

that we have no clue what we're talking about. It's incredible, really. Man, so I want to jump back a little bit to, the capabilities on these bases. There were some reports and whether or not you can speak to it as far as the knowledge you've been given and what you're allowed to say quite frankly. There were some reports that came out

that I believe in the Lakenheath, one of the REF bases that are experiencing these sightings, that they were getting a delivery of nuclear capabilities, I hesitate to say weapons, but something that was, would make that base

nuclear capable ready. So that was a report that went out and there's some disputing reports about what these bases are capable of and what is on these bases. Have you heard anything about that as to maybe clue in why this specific area would

be of interest to whatever is flying over? So I'm about to say something that I hate. I hate when I hear it. I hate when other people say it. I don't trust it. I don't buy it and I don't believe it. But I'm going to say it anyway because it's the truth. You got my attention.

I don't know because I'm not read onto what's going on on those bases. I got you. But if I did, I couldn't tell you. Right, right. So honestly, I don't know. That's not part of my portfolio that I study every day. What's going in and out of British bases for what programs. The way compartmentization works, compartmentalization works within classified programs is if you don't have any need to know, even if you have a clearance to get that info, like I do.

I don't have a need to know. It doesn't affect my day-to-day and my missioning. So honestly, I don't know what they would be moving there. Could I look and dig into it? Maybe. But I'd probably run into a firewall if it is that sensitive. I've run into something that's like, oh, explain why you need to know this. And then I'd write a sentence.

They'd be like, denied. Yeah. And so one, I don't know. And if I did know, I couldn't share that publicly. Which I hate that. Whenever someone says, everyone's tempted to say, oh, yeah, he knows. Right, right, right. He knows what's going on.

No, and I understand. Honestly, I kind of figured that's what it was as far as that's compartmentalization aspect of things. It goes as far as to say even on the basis that I touch all the time, it would not be legal, moral, or ethical to even explain what type of force protection measures we have on those bases at all. It just wouldn't be. That would tip off an adversary for sure, like, oh, they have this particular thing, and that's all they have. So how do we get around that particular thing? So it's not anything, even if I did know, it wouldn't even be anything that I would, you know, be able to speak to. Sure.

That's completely understandable. Yeah. What about this capability? I mentioned a little while ago, the reports supposedly coming from, something, again, that I was told coming from intelligence on the European side, that these craft have been measured with nuclear signatures. Yeah. Is that something that you've heard of before? With any worldly drone having some type of nuclei battery, if you will. Is it a leap to think that that isn't something to size that down, neck that down, get that technology better?

That would be something, especially when we're talking about quantum computing, AI energy demands, EV vehicles, all these different things. There is a global demand signal for energy at a rate that seems to only be solvable at this point. nuclear energy. So is there a motivation for companies, public, private, whatever they are to increase, neck that down, make that more readily available, make it safer? Sure, today more than ever. In the last five years more than ever in history, there is a huge motivation for that. Back up to 1989, when Bob Lazar said that there is an element in this craft that powers it and runs it, that is an element that would give that. That would give that. that same signal back then, if anything he said is true.

And I don't want to come off like I, you know, I'm a Bob Lazar chestbeater and anything he's said as gospel. And I'm very aware of, you know, his past that every one of us has a past. And so let's not judge too hard. Sure. But if we look at that back then and we look at the power to do the type of maneuvers that these things are demonstrating and doing, that's a super logical. leap to make that they would need an extraworldly, an unfathable amount of power available to them

at an instant by pushing a switch to make those maneuvers happen. And so, yeah, nuclear is absolutely one of those things that has a power reserve on demand to use whenever it needs to. Does that mean that a human created it or a non-human created it? Okay, well, what if we can do that today? Does that explain what happened 20 years ago, 30 years ago? when we're seeing these things in 2004, you know, no, that doesn't explain what that thing did then. Yeah.

It doesn't explain, you know, so could it be nuclear? Yeah. Could it be something we designed? Maybe, maybe right now, maybe in five years, 10 years, but it doesn't explain the vast scope size. Again, if it's something we had, if it's something that an adversary had, I could give you a laundry list that would get me fired and my clearance pulled on all the ways we would use that. that we are not using that. That is not happening. And so if we had the access to those things, let me tell you how we would use it.

A, B, C. Go out and tell me if you're seeing that happen. You're not. But that doesn't mean that is not what's powering these things, but I think it's a fool's errand to say that, well, we're leaning in that direction. We probably have it. It's probably us.

I don't think you can do that. You definitely can't do it 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, when the demand signal 20 years ago for EVs, Are you kidding? That's like a pet project. That's like a college project. You know, that's a school project. Go, design a car that runs on electricity.

And Elon Musk said, okay, I'll be a billionaire. And he did it. Right. Other than him, like, no one else was doing it back then. So, you know, it's a fool's errand to say that. And that's with known electric, known batteries, known things 20 years ago. We're talking about a reduced size, think of like the size of a football, of a nuclear reactor that can go in these drones, A, B, that,

we have figured out how to harness that energy and translate that to a power system that can get it to move that way. And what we're not seeing is any reactive energy. All vehicle movement that humans have been able to produce so far is reactive in nature. So you burn gas, causes your engine to drive a drive train, and the reaction is the friction of the tire moving along the earth. Or the rocket being burned, tunneled that energy down, pushing a force of thrust that launches a rocket. it up. We have yet to do anything that's proactive that isn't reactive in nature. So again, we're making that assumption that what 100, highly qualified, highly trained, brilliant, paid the highest salaries that you can get paid in private industry to develop one thing

that somehow they were outpaced by five guys in a closet 30 years ago. That's what we're asking to believe when we think that it's, you know, extraworldly. So, The claim that it could be nuclear power, absolutely. To say that we're working towards something like that, yeah, we have a big motivation to be working towards that, so we could be. But is that what we're seeing right now today? And did we do that or Russia or China? Slow down there. I think that's a leap again.

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Like Arizona, to me looked different. And Bullshead Arizona is right there on the border of Nevada right there by the Colorado River, western Arizona. and those lights in the different areas that they were in the video seemed like a very different sighting to me than what we've been seen over New Jersey, the UK. What do you make out of the differences of what we saw in Arizona versus what we're seeing in New Jersey because New Jersey is very similar to the UK

where people are reporting some type of drone craft flying over? Did you see the... the the siting over the North Carolina nuclear power plant yeah that's another one that's right so again I go back to something

that we talked about maybe over a year ago two years ago I don't know when we did our first one but we talked about we use different vehicles for different things right right

these are different they're for sure different we have classified images and videos of different craft that can't be explained so I think what you're seeing when you see that again hate to go back to an old answer, but I think you're seeing different craft that are chosen for

different reasons. You could argue that, you know, cars made in Italy look different than cars made in Detroit. Sure. Okay. So is it different people making them? Well, both are humans. You know, so I don't know that we, you know, some people want to look at the different craft and jump to different species. I think that's a, that is just too far down a rabbit hole that I can't go down yet. But I would say that if it's non-human intelligence, whether it's an autonomous AI pilot or whether it is extraworldly beings or whatever it is that's flying these things, different vehicles are used for different things.

Sure. We're definitely seeing different vehicles over different areas specifically. So why is one in one area and one's in another? Again, we're going to add human value, human assumptions, societal views on how we look at that. And it's not, you know, it's not anyone's fault for doing that because that's all we can't, that's all we have. Sure. Yeah. Right. We think we understand why our dogs do something, but we don't really know. Like, we're not a dog. Like, oh, look at how happy he is. Is he really happy? Does he have gas? What's really going on in that dog's head? You know, now we're talking

about something that we'll just assume is non-human. And we also want to assume that we know why it's doing what it's doing. I don't think we can make that leap in any of these sightings and any of these scenarios. Why are they mutilating cows? Where are they abducting people? Where are they doing this? You know, I've heard a lot of people that claim to have inside knowledge that think they've got the market on why these things are happening. And I haven't heard one that scratches an itch or that can be proven or disproven. So they might be right. But I have no idea. You can't prove it. You can't disprove it. Something's happening. Something's happening. Right, right. Is the bottom line. Yep. I will just specifically on Arizona real quick, because it is, and it's worth mentioning again.

I mean, because it's such an astute observation to say, you know, when we apply our own societal kind of experiences, again, that's the only thing that we have to go on. So, yeah, we make different vehicles for different reasons. We have a submarine to go into the water. We make a plane to fly up in the air. We make a tank to go over, you know, rough terrain in a war zone. It just depends on what the application is, but it can be made from the same being. And I think that's fair to say. So when you talk about the Arizona case,

you look at all these videos and you're able to debunk or you're able to say okay this kind of goes in the unexplained files when we look at that one out of Bullshead Arizona where do you put that? Do you say okay we'll go the debunk area where these are just

tail lights on a mountain from cars? No no no no no no or this is something unexplained. That is absolutely unexplained and I think all the people that have tried to write that off again I'm just going to say it,

all the people that I've heard try to write that off are not qualified. They have no idea. They're just spit an opinion and trying to do it from a standpoint of authority on a subject that they're not authoritative in any way.

That's absolutely in the category of anomalous. What is that? Yeah. That, you know. And there was so many different crafts. And then you have the one that showed up over the tree line. Yep.

With all, I mean, like, it was like a line of lights. Where have we seen that before? We've seen that. What happened? over North Carolina, the nuclear power plant, you're seeing at least two different types of craft, or at least two different intensities of power of what's there, and different, different activities taken. I'll say, I won't say missions, because, you know, I don't want to scare anyone or think that, oh, they have a mission. They're on mission, you know.

But the activities that they're doing are different. And this is in that same category to write that off and say, oh, it's a four-wheeler lights on the side of a hill. It's like, that's modern-day swamp gas, bro. You are not qualified to say that. And go replicate that for me. You know, you want to make that comment. You want to write off. First of all, most people, especially in America, either own a car, drive a car,

ride in a car, for the most part, unless you live in an inner city where you watch them drive by. You know, and you've seen them off in the distance. You know when to flash your brights because their lights are blinding you. Like most people can look at that and be like, ah. No, that's not what lights look like coming down a mountain. No, no. I think that was really a, it's a nice try at a prosaic explanation. But, you know, if you've seen the video, and I'm sure you have at this point, it's super viral,

and I've retweeted it before. I could always put it out again at UA Podcast 850. On Twitter is where I put it out. And you can even check out Ash Rose 824's, the woman who took the video. That's her handle. You can check it out. She had it on TikTok and Twitter. I mean, it's everywhere.

if you haven't seen the video. And when you look at that grouping of lights, the one of the center is very, very bright, and then you have these dimmer lights to the left to the right of it below of it. One of them is actually tilted diagonal. Yes. I mean, when have you ever seen a headlight or a taillight

that is tilted diagonal? Right. And that can disappear and then reappear. And it's the same thing that happened over the nuclear power plant in North Carolina. What do we make out the North Carolina scenario? Because I'm glad you bring that up. That's one that really hasn't been brought up a lot.

And I'm guilty of that as well. I've been so overwhelmed by the amount of sightings and reports. I don't know why. Yeah, fair enough. That's one that has kind of, unfortunately, fallen by the wayside, where in a normal situation, that would be the headway. Right, right. And it should be.

But there's so much going on right now, which goes back to the other point of, is this an increase? It's an increase. But if you look at the one over Arizona and you look at the one over North Carolina, there's a lot of similarity there. And I think that helps fight the debunkers that want to write it off as something explainable. When you see that and you're like, nope, that's almost identical to what we saw there. And you see the orb over Mosul, but that looks just like the orb over here.

Right. And over here and over here and over here. And so, you know, when you want to, I wish debunkers would work a little bit harder, at least during the swamp gas theory. They tried to explain it away. But, you know, today, I think the American people are so used to being lied to their face when they know it's not true that, again, a lot of these debunkers are just not given any, they're not given any credibility or strength in their statement anymore. Yeah, it's not as much as it used to be, I think. And when you talk about, you know, again, it always kind of comes back to the nuclear aspect of things. Even when I was in

D.C., you know, Bob Salas is there with me. I'm so glad you got to meet that guy. He was, he's, he's, He's a great guy, and he's just, he wants to be heard so badly. Yeah. Which is why I enjoyed having him on, but maybe a couple years ago. What branch of service did he work for? Oh, I want to say Air Force, but it could be wrong on that just off the top of my head. Yeah, I know, right. I'm almost positive on that because being at Mountaineer Space.

He was, right? Okay. That's who runs those sites. That's, well, well, there you go. Right, as far as who runs the sites and everything. Just saying, right, with Malchum. Back to a previous conversation, where's the Air Force? Where's the Air Force?

I'm not the only one saying that anymore. That also feels good. Yeah. You know, they're big people in government articles have come out. People have asked the question, where's the Air Force on this? I'm not the only guy. Lou Elizondo talked about it in his book that I read later. And you and I talked about it eight, nine months before.

Right, right. And so when I read that, I was like, yeah, preach. Like, why am I the only guy saying this? Where are they? And that always comes back to the question. Is the Air Force, I hate to say silent? Because that's, I don't know, it feels like a strong. maybe more of a pointing fingers in accusation,

but is the Air Force a little bit more quiet on it because A, and this kind of goes back to what we were saying before, A, there's nothing they can do about it, so I admit there's nothing you can do about it. Or B, some of it is some of their experimental technology or it could be, you know, all the above. So if I had to guess, this is me, not my official duty hat speaking on behalf of anything.

I think they know way more about this. I think they at one point had the proponents for this, meaning they were given the mantle from the government, think Roswell, and they were put in charge of this. And regardless of what's happened since then, is an Air Force policy. They are not going to discuss this. I know you and I talked about it. I can't remember if we talked about it on a podcast. But, you know, it was stated publicly that this was the only topic. that when presented to the President of the United States

that no one else was allowed in the room. All the normal quorum that would be in there that would be taking the briefing with him that would help advise him based on what was heard later when this subject of UAP was brought up everyone kept the notebooks closed and everyone left but one individual and the President of the United States.

Do you know for sure and I hate to... I hate absolutes. I think you probably know that. So it's tough me to say for sure. But based off of what you heard, There are conflicting reports whether or not Trump was briefed in his first term. Have you heard anything on that on whether or not he actually was briefed? Some people say absolutely.

Some people say, no, don't believe what you hear. Russia's at war with Ukraine. You've been briefed. I just briefed you. That's it. That doesn't mean you know any of the details. How deep is the brief? Right.

Absolutely, he was briefed. Okay. To what level, to what depth, to what level of understanding? to what programs, to what programs, to all that stuff. I have no idea. But for sure he was briefed on the subject, and he had questions on the subject, and he talked to pilots about the subject. And he stated that publicly. So, yes, he was briefed.

Now, was, you know, like in the movie Independence Day, taken down in the thing and, you know, shown what George Knapp calls the goodies or whatever he goes, Sean? I have no idea. If he was, take me with next time. but, you know, I don't know to what level he was briefed. No, that's fair. And I wonder what he's being told about some of these things because I want to talk about New Jersey before we're done, and I know we're under a time limit,

but there was something that popped into my head when you mentioned the Mosul Orb and how we can say there are different craft that resemble or even downright are the same thing from year over year. the Mosul orb, when you said that, it triggered to me a picture that came out, I think it was on Thanksgiving, actually. Oh, yeah. The orb that supposedly, a real picture, according to some of the forensic analysis that was done by some UFO investigators, that show it was a real picture taken of an orb on the tarmac of the Manchester airport,

the picture that was taken by a pilot sitting in the cockpit of a taxiing airplane. Yeah. We just landed at a taxi in one or the other. He's on the runway. Yep. And he takes a picture of that orb. And then according to the reports, it flies off. And at the point where he takes the video is where you see this orb flying in the sky.

Right. And supposedly that orb that was flying in the sky was one that was sitting on the tarmac before it shot off into the air. That does look like the Mosul orb. Yeah. Looks like a lot of the orbs that were seen. So, I mean, I think that does. And Mosul, I believe, was that 2013? Was when that video was taken?

I don't remember. I think off the top of my head, I could be wrong in that. that and somebody can fact check you know right now me too and you know it's kind of freewheeling it yeah um no notes for any of us just discussing i can vouch for that he literally has no notes right now right yeah it's just talking um i i think it was but you know it could be wrong about it but it's neither here nor there the fact of the matter is i think what we saw again in a forensically confirmed picture yeah on the manchester tarmac there i believe thanksgiving just a week or you know a week ago from where you and I are talking right now,

it looks exactly like the Mosul Orb. Yeah. So, I mean, what can we take from that, I guess? Well, you know, they're, so we've looked at commonality in shapes and commonality of things globally. And that is probably one of the most, one of the most spotted objects is an orb. For sure. And they're all over, whether that's off the East Coast and our training ranges that pilots are encountering. and they're getting crafty about the way they describe them now,

you know, when they're filing these reports, but it's the same thing, you know, and I don't think they're deliberately being deceitful in the way they're reporting them, but they're trying to get more creative versus just the Tic Tac or versus, you know, the flying cigar, the propane tank, cylinders. They're all talking about the same thing, right?

And so these orb shapes, again, not new. And if you look at what's common over conflict zones, are these orbs? Yeah. That is one of the more common descriptions of UAP seen over those. So whatever purpose that serves, whatever those things are doing, it seems that in area of conflict, that's a more common thing to be seen. What is, and this question is out of the blue, not really related to what I was just asking you. But I'm curious, what's the fastest aircraft that you know of?

Not even U.S. If it's the U.S., great. Awesome. We are the fastest aircraft. What's the fastest one that you know of in existence human made? How fast is it go? Yeah. Or what is it?

Both, if you can say. Well, I can't. I'll ask it this way. Is it faster than Mach 14? No. Okay. The reason I ask it. Without getting you in trouble.

Yeah. This is a tweet from Ross Colthardt. Yeah. That I just came across as you and I were talking. Because I want to try to stay up to date. And so if you see me looking at my phone, I apologize ahead of time. I'm not like disengaged. I'm trying to see, okay, if there's something happening literally while we're talking,

a tweet from Ross Coldheart shows on radar an unknown object moving across France at Mach 14. Okay. Stract on Plainfinder. So the reason why I hesitated is because if we're talking about, vehicles or space launch vehicles or glide vehicles. One technique is to launch into low Earth orbit where the closer to Earth, the faster things fly. And you can get a vehicle moving approximately 7.8 kilometers a second. Okay.

And then you can have it reenter at astronomical speeds. That doesn't explain something flying over France at Mach 14. Right. That was my hesitation. because it depends if we're talking about Earth launch flying around Earth or are we talking about things in space? Sure, okay. Because things travel at different speeds, different areas.

But no, something at a stand still taking off or something launched from the ground traveling Mach 14 over France. Nope. That's unexplained. Yep, that's unexplainable. And also as we speak right now, as I try to keep up, because it really does change hour by hour. This is great. I was doing real time.

I'm not doing it. there is a report there is there's a Twitter handle I'll give him a shout out here the Twitter handle goes by dad rants and so if you want to look it up I don't know who the guy is I never spoken to him I can't vouch for the validity of what he does would say that's me dad rants I think it's a great name but he did travel to the UK and he's outside the perimeter of one of the bases there and he writes as we're speaking here an hour ago he goes I to confirm I do hear a large amount of jets flying above me as I write this. Full afterburner can't see anything as it's raining, but 100%

flying hard right now. And that's, you know, again, pretty much happening as we're speaking here today. Yeah. That would be more of an appropriate response, like in Langley to have things, to have these incursions over our airspace and to not launch anything, you know, is erroneous. And I think it was either you or Tyler that was speculating on one of your other podcasts. because, you know, why wouldn't we launch something of our own to go look at it? Well, we would. You know, so that's at least a more appropriate response. And I think that's the key point, though, too, is they are chasing something.

Yeah. And so why are they flying a full afterburner? Can they not keep up with it? Are they trying to intimidate? Is that the best way? Is that their version of deterrence without actually trying to fire at something? Well, so we do that. We do those things, a show of force, you know, to do that for sure.

And Russia has done that against us. You know, that made the news early on in the current conflict. They flew one of their fighter jets right over one of our MQ9 reapers and actually impacted it. And, you know, so we do that. But again, firing missiles, firing guns over a civilian populated area, that's probably not the approach. But I also want to say that's not our only way of interdicting a drone. You know, people think guns, bullets, bombs. That's not the only way we can interdict these things.

So there are other means that are either not being used because they know they won't work or we know they're not effective. So that just adds a whole other level of what the heck is going on in my mind. Well, it'll probably add up with this as well because, again, something else from coming across here as we talk. According to Christopher Sharp from the Liberation Times. I love looking at his stuff. I mean, that guy is dialed in. And I would love to get him on the show one day. I've tried, but he's very much getting a call.

Sure. I can't. I don't know. If you find Chris Sharp's cell phone number line around somewhere, please let me know. Yeah, I'll let you know. But he was reporting. It's good. I got excited for a second.

He was reporting that the U.S. Air Force bases, as far as the drone incursions as they're calling it, go in the U.K. have been declared, according to his reporting, a national emergency by the UK. And he mentions Royal Air Force Base Lakinheath. Going back to something we were talking about before when it comes to nuclear capabilities, he's saying they've been prepared to receive nuclear weapons from the USA, been prepared. And the rumor is, again, rumor, that those may now be deployed at the base. So if that's true, let's just say that that's true.

And we know that NATO weapon systems have been used against Russia. by Ukraine. And we know that that is a hard line for Russia to take action against NATO countries. And they have said that they are going to do it. They're entitled to do it. They will do it. This would be a type of, you know, action that directly affects the U.S. and our NATO allies in that theater without having to get across the Atlantic Ocean or anything else or without a big move on their part. So, you know, I don't think that writes off the fact that some of what we're seeing is quite anomalous. And but it does give, you know, it does give reason for a state of emergency regardless. We have an adversary that's threatened it that feels entitled to do it that has said they're going to do it. And so if nothing else, whether this is non-human or whether this is Russia, that makes perfect sense.

Now, I'll go towards New Jersey now because I know we are. are going to run out of time here pretty soon. And I'm getting sidetracked by all these things because it's kind of happening in real time. Yeah. But, you know, this is being reported a lot by local news in New Jersey. The New York Post has picked it up, actually, which is something I was just looking at. And they're calling it mysterious drones, mysterious lights flying over Morris County, New Jersey, Somerset County in that area.

Yeah. There is a base over there as well. Yep. And also, as well, Bedminster Golf Club. National Golf Club, which Trump has a resident's hat. So all those things are concerns when it comes to what people are having trouble explaining. Now, some of the pictures that have come out, I mean, I'll say they look like straight up airplanes. I mean, they look like you can see the wings, you can see the body of the plane, you can see the tail.

And I've heard people say, oh, it's a spaceship. Yeah, but we fly them every day in and out of all of our hubs. And that's right. So that's the weird thing about this is what it, What are people seeing here? Is this a case of mass hysteria, a case of mistaken identity, or the videos that people are getting as... I'll put it this way.

The authorities are concerned. Yep. FBI is investigating. Right. If the authorities are concerned and they're putting on statements to the residents, which they are and telling people not to approach these things, that they see one go down, if the FBI is investigating, which they are,

they don't normally do that for commercial jets landing at Newark Airport. Correct. So if that's the case, then what are we looking at? What are the residents of New Jersey seeing here? Well, and I think there's for sure 1,000% guaranteed because we look at these videos all the time and look at them for, you know, what can be explained and what can't. So for sure, people are going to capture and post things that don't look obvious to them, but then once you look at it, you're like, oh, I think that's an airplane.

That doesn't explain everything they're seen, but it explains. some of what they're seeing. And the other area where that's happening, it's known to have aircraft fly over, which, you know, there's been discussions of whether or not that has increased, decreased, if there's been, you know, a diversion, you know, a Notam put up that's rerouted air traffic, you know, all those things are being speculated.

But for sure, I think at least some of those pictures to me look pretty clear that they're an airplane. But then other images, you know, it's hard to tell. And some of the things, things that when I look at an image or I look at a video for the first time, I'm looking at, you know, things that we all probably look at. Like, we know that airplanes at night have flashing lights and we know that they have two different color lights generally and a white light, usually. So three, you know, green red and a white light. And they're normally, you know,

a consistent flashing pattern, you know, and that's for safety of flight, right? So you look at that and you see an object with a bright light, is it flashing? If it is, is it flashing at a rate that would make sense or isn't it? And, you know, frankly, some of these things I think are easily write off a bowl. I think other things have such a brilliant bright light that you're like, what even creates a light that bright? What is that? Why is that out? Why is that just, you know, emitting that and just sitting there? And some of the reports that are coming out of that area specifically are objects that are staying stationary for hours and hours and hours. Yeah, that's a good point.

To me, those are the ones that raise the spider senses to say, okay, that's not normal. That's not even a drone that we're going to put up and make it stationary and fly against the wind and all the different elements. And we're going to put a big, brilliant light on it for what reason I can't think of one. Yeah. You know, and then we're just going to have it sit there for hours and hours and hours and hours. it wouldn't have the flight time for that to stay up there that long.

Let's pretend it does. Let's go with one of our super big drones that has flight time for hours and hours and hours. It's not staying stationary and then shining a big bright light for no obvious reason. I've never seen that. I've never seen a government or military application where we're going to go put something up in the air, have it hover there, and then put the biggest damn light bulb on it that we can find so that everyone can see it. That would be kind of counterproductive a little bit, yeah. It is non-productive.

Yeah, right. How is that productive for anything? Right. You know, it's like my teenage son that wants to do all these modifications to his car because they're cool. Right. What purpose is that serve? You know, you look at something floating in the sky and just sit in there stationary. It doesn't make any sense.

And then it's got this light that is as brilliant as the sun to what end? You know? Yeah. And it's interesting, too. something that even the residents talk about is they're not seeing what they're describing during the day. They don't see it during the day.

It's only happening at night. And I think another important point to make is kind of just to work off of what you said when it comes to the pictures that come out where it clearly looks like an airplane. Like, let's be honest, in some of these pictures. But that doesn't mean that everything that people are seeing resembles that picture

that's being put out on the internet. You know, the ones that people are putting out might just be okay here's what I'm seeing oh well that one's an airplane so they're all airplanes right that's not necessarily true no and I you know I get fooled by that because I you know in the last 10 15 years I'm looking at the up at the sky a lot more and right because of the things that I've seen personally I'll look up and I've been fooled before I'm like oh hold on pull over what is that not that's a that's a plane you know right right and you know in after

about 10 minutes you can see that it's a plane because the way it's moving and, you know, or whatever. But for hours, just sitting there, like some of these can't be written off. Some of them, I think, are pretty obvious. Like the one I shared with you that got a lot of media attention, you know, was obviously skydivers at night. You know, and I can say that. Having done that thing, you know, I know what that is. I could explain the exact maneuvers they're doing and why they're doing it and what's happening.

But it looks like a strange light in the sky. Yeah. But to someone that doesn't know all that, it's going to look like a strange light in the sky. And if you've ever watched a parachuting demonstration, they have someone on the ground narrating what's happening because even to the observer on the ground, they don't know what they're looking at. And so you have a narrator that's explaining this demonstration that they're seeing. But some of what's being seen in the New Jersey, New York area along the East Coast doesn't make any sense at all. There are a lot of orb-like sightings like that that you're talking about that have been detected, sensed, and then our aircraft are trying to make tally with it, make visual contact with it, and they can't.

Sometimes they can, sometimes they can't. They fly right there and there's nothing there. It's on radar. They know something's there, but they can't see it. So is that a masking thing? Is it a camouflage? Is it, you know, what is it? so to say that they're not there during the day,

well, they're not visible during the day. Okay. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, because there could be some type of camouflage going on because we've talked about it before. There's only so much that we can see that is, you know, observable to our eyes,

the way that the light works, the way everything refracts, you know, off our lenses and everything like that. We can't see some things on the visible specials, That's correct. Absolutely. So that would lend towards some type of cloaking technology if they are there during the day and people don't even know that they're there. Yeah, or just even admitting, you know, the bright light at night. Maybe they're admitting a spectrum that masks them there that can't be seen, you know, and someone will say, oh, well, if you can't see it, then you'd still see the object.

Well, maybe. But we're also talking about technology that we can't explain any other way. So it seems like then in the New Jersey aspect of things, people, would you? you say are seeing legit sightings, but there's also some cases of mistaken identity. Is that fair? I think that's absolutely fair. And I think that's probably true with most sightings, right? Like, there could be something that's anomalous, and then in the background, something else moves, and that thing was an airplane. Okay, so I think, when people listen to this, there will be people, an hour and 20 minutes into it, to say, everything you're saying is wrong.

These are obviously drones. So as we kind of finish up. here, what do you say to someone who says, you're wrong about all the. Anthony, you are wrong about all of this. These are so obviously drones. I don't even know why you're talking about this. What's the point? What is your response to something like that? Well, I would just say that, you know, anyone that wants to write off everything, those are just drones and take that opinion. Good for you. You know, if that's what you figured out and that's what you know, great. And because there are a lot of areas that I'm not an expert on that I have opinions about

that I'm probably wrong, you know, and I think the older I get, the more mature I am about the fact about how little I'm absolutely certain about. But if someone out there is just adamantly and that they're certain about it, hey, that's a pretty comfortable place to be. If they know for sure that that's what it is, good on you. Sleep well tonight. How would you change their mind? I don't know that I'd even try.

I'm serious. I, you know, I've gotten to the point where, you know, if you want to walk outside right now and tell me that the sky is clearly purple, awesome. What's going on in your world? What did you eat this morning? Right. But I wouldn't spend time trying to convince you otherwise. Yeah, that's fair. And so, yeah, to anyone that, you know, just wants to write it off, cool. You know, keep your eyes open. Maybe you'll see something you believe. Well, I'll, I guess I can end with this. Why are you so confident in everything that you're saying. saying today that the majority of what we're seeing is not drones, that there's something else happening here. What makes you ultimately, out of all the explanations that you've given and the insight that you've been able to give us, which is always appreciated, what makes you confidence in everything that you're saying? What is that detail that you can point to?

So there are different things that I know that we would respond to certain ways. let's say there is something anomalous floating at 500 feet, 1,000 feet, 5,000 feet, 30,000 feet. Would it not make more sense to fly a drone that we have up to that area to look it out, to check it out? So why can't both be happening at the same time? So it really comes down to response, how it's being handled? Yeah. Why can't some of those be drones and other of those things? not be drones and be anomalous in nature, you know, because there are some people that have seen

these things. They've heard the engines of the propellers flying and they're like, no, that's a drone. I'm telling you it's a drone. And those people are convinced that it's a drone. And they're probably right. That probably is a drone. That doesn't mean that everything that's up there is a drone. And it doesn't warrant the response of the FBI, the federal government, all these investigators that are talking to random witnesses on the ground. None of that is, that's all expenditure of time, sources, money, things that we wouldn't throw out there just to, you know, debunk something or if we know it's drones. So some of it could be drones.

Some of it probably is drones. Some of those pictures are of airplanes. Some of them are not. So to say that it exclusively or definitively has to be one thing or the other, again, paints you into a corner that sets you up for later saying, oh, sorry I was wrong. And I'm not saying I'm right about anything I'm saying. But I do know what I know. I know what is true.

And I know what I have been informed of. And based on all my years, decades of experience, that's leading me to the opinions I have here about these things. And when I see it, I know what we have. I know what we're developing. I know what we don't have. And I know what we're not looking at. So some of this is quite anomalous. Maybe there is a logical explanation for all of it.

That would be really cool. but there's nothing on earth or in our government or in a partner nation or in an adversary and believe me we have a lot of brave wonderful people that their full-time job is to find stuff and we're not finding anything that is anywhere near what we're seeing nothing close well well said as usual I always appreciate you coming in and for the first time being in studio. This has been awesome. I wish we could have done a video, honestly.

I would love to do like, you know, set up the video in the studio, but I know we kind of try to protect with, you know, anonymity and everything. For people that have seen his show, if we did it together, we'd be sitting in the same chair. So that would raise a number. That's pretty much interesting. Yeah, that'd be a couple other questions. How close are you guys?

That's right. We're kind of far apart with the microphone. Don't show my wife this. Yeah, right. It would have to be. It's a tough angle in the studio for two people. One person's great. Two people's kind of tough.

But Anthony, this has been fantastic, man. I always appreciate the conversations and the time that you put forward to come on here to UAP and to discuss these things and give your insight. It's awesome. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks for having me. This is cool. Absolutely.

We'll talk again soon, I'm sure. Sounds good. Thanks. All right. Thank you again to Anthony Williams. I hope you enjoy that. Again, I know the length of it is a little bit longer, though I normally do, is like a Joe Rogan episode here. today, but all kidding inside, I do hope you enjoyed that entire thing. Really, again, so

informative. And the amount of information and insight that Anthony gives is always top-notch. So just, just awesome stuff once again. All right. So now let's take a look at some of the updates. What's going on currently? Where do things stand? Well, as of right now, we still don't have any solid answers and a lot of officials and politicians are very frustrated. Now, that said, we thought maybe we got some answers yesterday and also citizens alike are very frustrated. I shouldn't forget that as well because a lot of people want to figure out what's going on. But we were told something yesterday that got everybody kind of in a panic because it wasn't something people were expecting to hear. And that was when Jeff Van Drew, a New Jersey state rep,

who's also on the House Judiciary Committee, by the way. So it's not like this guy, you know, is a slouching Congress. He's on the House Judiciary Committee, Jeff Van Drew. And he comes on the news yesterday afternoon and kind of sends the world into a tizzy when he goes on and says on live TV that Iran has gotten technology from China to send over a mothership. He actually used that term to send over a mothership towards America. and release hundreds of drones and that what we're seeing over New Jersey are all these different drones

from Iran and China coming off of an Iranian mothership. Incredible moment. And everyone started freaking out, including myself. I'm like, what the heck is this? And then shortly after, you have the Pentagon come out and refute the entire thing and say no,

he is mistaken. There are no reports of an Iranian mothership. These are not. And then they actually took a step further. They actually went and said not only is a not in Iranian mothership, but it is not anything that we know of from an adversary. It's not adversarial. And they also took another step further with the Pentagon yesterday and said it's also not U.S. drones. It's not U.S. tech. So they didn't say what it was, but what they did say is that it's not adversarial and it's not the U.S. How many other options

are there to choose from here? then what is it? Because in my estimation, you're really only leaving like one other thing. If it's not from something that we're making in the United States and it's not an adversarial tech, it's not commercial or private because they don't sell drones that big on the private market. They just don't. You know, people are describing these things as SUV sized and those don't exist. You can't buy that.

So if it's not from any type of human apparatus that we're aware of, according to the Pentagon, then what are the options that are left? Are they trying to tell us that it's non-human by saying that it isn't anything else? I don't know. But that's according to the Pentagon. And it was just that left a lot of people wondering that same question. Right? I couldn't have been the only one asking that question.

If it's not us and it's not adversarial, then what is it? That remains to be seen. So, make of that what you will. Now, put that on top of some of the other statements that have been made recently over the past 48 hours or so. You have Governor Murphy, the governor of New Jersey, who is very concerned about this, saying that they're taking it deadly seriously. Also talking about how whenever we get eyes on these things, using his words, whenever we get eyes on these things, they go dark. or they, that's what he said. They go dark.

Now you can take that from meaning disappearing or they turn their lights off. I don't know. There's also reports of many reports, actually, verified reports that have been reported on by local news stations in New Jersey from residents who are flying their drones because that's one of the big questions.

People keep asking, why don't we just fly our drones up to these things and see what they are? Well, people have tried that. And apparently what happens when people try to fly their drones close to it, their drones fall to the ground and their battery is completely drained

and now these are the reports coming from citizens of New Jersey that they are flying their drones full battery when they try to fly their drone they either A don't go up and the battery is drained right there on the spot or B do go up and then come right back down with a drained battery so now if these are something from China

giving it to Iran that's some pretty high-tech stuff that the U.S. apparently didn't know that they had if you want to believe that. Because also coupling that with the information from the past 48 hours during the House committee hearing that happened on Tuesday,

which was very revealing in a way that I don't think any of us expected revealing in the fact that they don't know anything, which comes together what I was going to tell you from Anthony Williams, which he and I just spoke on the phone before coming on to record this intro and outro to our interview where he said he can verify that what the FBI was saying in that House Committee hearing on Tuesday is true.

They are completely confused. And the last thing that really has stuck with me over the past couple of days, and this comes from a few people, but most namely, New Jersey State Senator Douglas Steinhart, saying that drones are likely coming from the Atlantic Ocean. He says the best information that we have available to us to this point suggests that these drones are coming from offshore. When we try to make contact with them, they become evasive and elusive. So that goes with some of the other reports talking about, you know, they go dark, they try to make contact with them, they can't. And something else that happened, again, this is kind of like rapid fire, but there was so much information.

And I'm trying not to make this longer than it already is. But this is super important. So I want to get it out to before we're done. According to the mayor of Belleville, New Jersey, local law enforcement agencies have tracked these things going out to the water. So this is according to mayors, he's according to law enforcement, this is according to state senators. And now Jeff Andrews talking about how they're offshore and going out towards the water. Now, Representative Smith from New Jersey also spoke about this and described 50 drones coming in off the ocean. and the FBI was baffled by this.

They also talked about how there were drones following a Coast Guard ship. I mean, so if this is a foreign adversary, and I know you just heard that entire conversation with Anthony and I, and he spoke about how the adversaries do not have this technology, and he knows how the U.S. responds to these things normally, and we're not responding to them in that way. So we're presenting with a lot of different information here, today. So just to use Anthony's point when he was talking, I find it highly unusual and a little bit

hard to believe that China used a spy balloon to traverse over the continental United States just about a year and a half ago or two years ago. And in that time, they're now have these incredibly high-tech drones that outperform, out-maneuver anything that we have as the United States, to America, military, FBI, intelligence agencies. I mean, if that's the case, that's extremely concerning, and this just took a very, very negative turn. Another theory has been that it's just the United States doing some type of sci-up.

That doesn't seem to be likely, but it is a theory that people are throwing out there, or doing some type of surveillance, or doing some type of top-secret exercise. Here's the problem with that theory, okay? And you can believe that if you like, that's completely fine. But the problem for me with that theory is that you don't normally see, when I say normally, I mean ever, see the United States government fly top secret tech over civilians, over highly populated, densely populated areas like New Jersey, where they can be filmed and recorded and put on social media and cause a stir and cause a panic in some cases where people are looking for answers.

And then you have the FBI and congressmen coming out and saying, we have no idea what's going on. It's not normally how it works. So me personally, I'm not buying, this is our own tech, and we're doing some type of secrets surveillance exercises. I just personally don't see that being the case. It just, to me, does not make sense, that's all. So I just felt it was important to give that added context. Sorry for the rapid fire style of throwing all that out there,

but just to give that added context of what's been happening, what's being said. And if it is a foreign adversary that we're just finding out about now, that's a pretty big deal but again listening to everything that Anthony just said during that interview make up your own mind I mean he's pretty much

in the know and he's talking about how he knows we respond to these things and if we really are outmaned like that it's a very concerning situation I think that's where I'm at right now but there just seems to be a lot of cloudiness a lot of murkiness with this where one side wants us

to think something but and the other side is saying something else I'm just going to go based off of what Anthony is telling us and that there is more to this than what they're saying just because, and that's the part that really sticks with me, there's two things that really stick with me on this. Number one, they're coming from offshore, so whether that means under the water

or from the water or somewhere offshore in the air, they're coming from offshore. We can't make contact with them. They're going dark. They're draining batteries of other drones. They get close. They're out maneuvering us. They're out-technical.

out-teching us, if that's a thing, we're completely out-manned when it comes to these things. That obviously sticks with me. But I just keep coming. The second thing is I just keep coming back to when Anthony says that he knows how, operationally how this works. And this is unlike anything he's ever seen before, which lends to me a lot of credence that we're dealing with something very, very unusual

that maybe we've never experienced before. So all that said, I just got to text to me, Anthony Williams. I kid you not, as I'm talking to you, I texted him, this report I'm telling you about, and I'm just going to reach you what he said to me. And I got permission to do this, so it's okay. I sent him what I was just talking to you about with Jeff Van Drew saying that Iran launched the mothership. These are coming from Iran off the coast of the United States. These drones are from Iran and China.

his response, no. Our Navy would interdict before you ever heard about this. Anthony says China and Iran are a scapegoat that the government believed that the public will believe. And this was a great point. This might be the best point overall and something to take into consideration from Congressman Jeff Andrews' statement about Iran having this mother ship. He said Iran's ship would have to be within 100 miles, which would be U.S. waters. We'd have a Navy interdiction and fighters shooting these down. over the water.

So essentially saying before they even got close to the U.S. coastline, the Navy would be interjecting, interdicting, confronting these drones, so to speak. I mean, again, just going with Anthony's word here, going with his knowledge, going with his insight that he's willing to give us. It seems like on the surface right now as we speak that this Iran mothership report is kind of BS. And then it might just be a cover for what's really going on, get people's minds off of something, redirect, look at the shiny object over here, that type of thing. But again, take it for what it's worth. Come out with your own conclusion here of what is going on. But that's the problem is I'm not sure anybody really knows what's happening.

Are we going to find out what's happening? Is Iran the answer right now, from what I'm hearing, from what I was just being told that I told you, that doesn't seem like it. makes a lot of sense. If it is, then the United States is in trouble because we've been caught way off guard with this. And operationally speaking, it's a massive, massive failure in intervention and intelligence. And if that's what they want us to believe and that part isn't true, then what's the part that they don't want to tell us?

Think about that. It's hard to put into words, and I'm doing my best, but it's really unbelievable. One last thing, too. I'm just going to throw this out as a PSA. You have congressmen who are saying, we need to shoot these things down. And I understand the panic and being unsettled. But I just want to throw this out there.

If you're in the area and these things are flying over your house, I would personally suggest take my word for what it's worth. Maybe it's worth nothing. I would personally suggest some caution on that, taking a gun and firing at these things. Number one, you don't know if it's going to hit. hit it, and then you just have bullets flying through the air. Number two, if you do hit it, then what? Is it going to crash on somebody? A crash on somebody's house? And number three,

what is the fuel? I mean, what's fueling these things? What if it has some type of nuclear signature that we're not being told about? What if it has some type of nucleide battery that we're not being told about? Do we really want one of those things crashing to the ground? So I'm just, I'm just putting that out there as a little word of caution. If you're just planning on going out there with a shotgun and shooting towards the sky. Just be a little cautious about that, is all I'm trying to say. But wow, certainly a lot to take in here.

And I'm going to continue to do my best to cover all of this, keep you up to date. You can follow along on social media at UA Podcast 850 on TikTok and Twitter. I do a lot on Twitter, as you probably know, at UA Podcast 850. You can follow along there and get the latest to what's happening. I'm also going to be talking to Nick Pope,

and I'll have that interview out on Monday and we're going to be talking about all this to get his take as, you know, former British Ministry of Defense being part of that department there and get Nick Pope's take on what's happening here and how he sees this, this current situation and how it might play out, what's next, and what's going to stop these so-called drone incursions? And are we really looking at drones, right? That continues to be the question. Man, just, again, startling information here today.

From both ends, from Anthony Williams and the latest that were some of these reports that were seen. Try to put it all together. It makes sense of it. This is unlike anything we've ever seen before. So I apologize for talking so long and taking up so much for your time. I hope that you've enjoyed it here and talking about all this hypothesizing, trying to figure this all out. And honestly, they could probably talk for the two hours about it. But I think, I guess we can just end it here and see what happens next.

Continue to follow along, like I said, on social media at UA Podcast 850. you download the show wherever you get your podcast on Spotify, Apple, all those great places. And if you like to email me, you can do that. S-Diener-U-A-P at g-mail.com. It's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at gmail.com. If you like to try to get to me directly with anything that is on your mind. But again, my goodness, what a time. What a time right now.

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