UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP EP 99 Nick Pope, Trump, and the Latest Drone Updates

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

The drone saga continues as Stephen Diener speaks with Nick Pope to find answers on what could be the truth behind these drone sightings. Is the government really this clueless? And we get a very telling new statement from incoming President Trump on what he knows. Get ready for the latest drone drama on this episode of UAP...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Not counting all the other ones from UAP Weekly's, but that's okay. We count with 99 on this newest edition where I'm going to be talking to Nick Pope. He was kind enough to rejoin me here on UAP in what is a very, very busy time. and I give him a lot of credit too because he's been doing like a ton of interviews. He's been on different news stations and different shows and different podcasts. So I do just want to say that. Give him a shout out.

Say thank you, Nick, for making time to come on here to UAP because I know it's a very, very busy time here in the world of UFOs and aliens and UAP because of everything that's happening with the drone situation. And I got to be honest. I always try to be transparent with you. and I don't mean this in a bad way, but I wish I could talk about something else. It's not that I have like fatigue with it. It's just I don't want to keep harping on the same subject over and over again.

I want to bring you, you know, some different things, some other stories, you know, get back to some classic UAP, we're telling some of the other stories and connecting the dots. And I'm going to do that at some point, but I guess, you know, it is what it is right now. This is not only the biggest story in the, you know, U.S. UAP world, but it's probably the biggest story out right now in general. This is leading news broadcast. This is leading, you know, nightly news broadcast and Good Morning America and the Today Show and things like that. So it would be pretty foolhardy of me to say, well, I just don't feel like talking about it anymore because I want to talk about other stuff. This is the biggest

story. So I want to continue to try to, and it's ever evolving as well, which does keep it fresh in that way. So I want to try to continue, even though maybe I get fatigued. here and there, I think it's important to continue to try to bring you the latest updates and details and news and information that I'm getting on my end, even since this interview with Nick Pope. I did this interview. He and I recorded this a few days ago, and since then, there has been updates from over the weekend that I'm going to come back with after the interview is over with myself and Nick. So stick around because as usual here in the past episodes I've come back on after the interview to kind of tie up some loose ends. So I'm going to do that again here.

After speaking with Nick, stick around so I can give you some of the latest updates that I learned over the weekend. And even as of, like right now, as of today, where I stand recording this with you. So right now, first, myself with Nick Pope, getting all the insight that he has about the current drone situation, so to speak, throughout not only New Jersey, but the United States as well. So that first and then some updates right here on UAP. enjoy. Nick, welcome back to UAP. Thanks, thanks for coming back. No, thanks. Good to be back. Before we kind of get into the weeds

on all this, I want to really just kind of get your impressions. Like as you're watching it just like us, as you watch the news, you see the reports on Twitter, you we see these videos coming out from New Jersey. What is your impression? What are your reactions

when you see these things happening? Well, it's certainly an interesting one. And I think it tells you as much about society and human reaction as it tells you about UAP. And I think at the very outset, I should make the point that there is not going to be a single neat answer to this particular mystery. There isn't going to be a moment where the curtain parts and we all say, ah, that's what it was. because, frankly, three or four different things are going on here. I mean, firstly, there are people flying hobbyist drones. This has been going on for years.

Most of them abide by the various FAA regulations. Some do not. But that's always gone on, and that's obviously increasingly as the tech gets better. as battery life, for example, improves. And as the models get cheaper, it's more and more people are able to do this and for longer periods of time. So that explains some of it.

Some of it, again, this is almost the embarrassing part of this. I've seen videos and still photos, which are clearly commercial aircraft and helicopters. And I think sometimes you get, get this kind of doubling down of the narrative. So what happens is people in the UFO community or some people get caught up in this. They put a story out. Then somebody looks at the image and really manages to clear it up.

And I know that sometimes you can introduce distortions by doing that. But often you just get a better picture. And it clearly resolves itself into an image of a commercial airliner. And instead of saying, okay, yeah, you got me, I didn't do my due diligence. Clearly, that one, I got it wrong, and that's a plane. Some people double down, and it's like, well, maybe the aliens are able to shape shift their drones into the shape of a commercial aircraft. And it all gets kind of ridiculous. I mean, yes, if this is true, if we're being visited by extraterrestials, I'm sure any sort of,

civilization with the technology to travel between the stars can maybe find a way of altering either the shape that a craft is or altering our perception of what that craft is. But come on. I mean, people are taking that a little bit too far. And some of what's going on in our skies is a mix of good old-fashioned aircraft and helicopters thrown in with a mix of mass hysteria. and the will to believe. But then you get to the more serious end of the spectrum,

and some of this may be adversary drones, small unmanned aircraft systems, UAS, UAV, whatever terminology you use, and that might be operated by an adversary like China or Russia. I saw suggestion yesterday, actually, that Iran might be involved. I think that's a little far-fetched. But again, it poses the question of who's leaking information on all this.

And are they leaking, leaking genuine information or are they leaking sometimes disinformation, misinformation, misinformation. But, you know, so long-winded way of saying that there's a whole lot of things going on and that there isn't going to be one answer to this. Some of it is just, as I say, hobbyist drones. Some of it may be adversarial UAS. Some of it mass hysteria. and some of it may be UAP, whatever that is. Yeah, and I think it's important to note too, and I know you'll agree with this.

Everyone's focused on New Jersey, right? That's the one in the news. You know, Governor Murphy's talking about it. Congressman are talking about it. John Kirby's talking about it, which I'll ask you about it in a little while. But I think people forget that we were seeing this over Langley, Virginia, not too long ago.

Just a few months ago, We had these so-called drone incursions, and that was never explained. And then it just kind of went away. We saw this just over in the UK, not, I mean, really just a couple weeks ago. And it happened for about three or four weeks straight over Lake and Heath and a few other RIF bases. And now it's kind of died down. So do you feel like this is just a part of another wave of whatever it is and it just might go away? And the government's going to say, problem solved?

Well, it might go away. It might, you know, like any news story, it kind of, you say that the story in the UK, I don't know if you have this saying here, but you say, a story has legs. And this story, this story has legs. Yes. But eventually, eventually those legs tire and we move on to the next big thing. But there was a very interesting story actually, just to kind of. of days ago, the Ministry of Defense in the UK put on the front page of its website a story

about the British Army having undertaken a successful counter-drone exercise, test involving a directed energy weapon. So basically, they zapped this thing with a laser, shorted out its systems, and were able to bring it down. And they put that on the front page of the MOD website, Well, they didn't do that by accident. They did that quite deliberately to send a message to try and, I guess, regain control of the narrative. Because frankly, in the US at the moment, the narrative now isn't looking very good for the government. Because two things are happening. Firstly, there is complete confusion about who is in control here.

Is this FBI? Is it local law enforcement? Is it homeland security? Is it the military? and allied to that is the question of what are the rules of engagement. But also, there is frankly just a total lack of leadership on this. And all those questions and issues blend together. But we're also getting mixed messages.

The net result is you've got different people doing different media press conferences and mixed messages. and that's never good. Yeah, it's really strange. And I think you speak to it perfectly too. And I think it's a good way to put it, that there just really is not a sense of a clear message here. Again, it plays into something that you and I have discussed before. And it's this idea that there are factions here competing for narrative control.

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Do you think, and I'm not sure which answer I'd rather hear, but do you think that? this seemingly confusion, this mixed messaging is on purpose because they just don't really want, when I say, yeah, I mean kind of like the U.S. government or the FBI, that they really just don't want to let people on to what's happening? Or are they really just that confused and discombobulated? I think it's the latter. There's an old saying that anything that looks like a conspiracy is, more likely to be bureaucracy. And I think that's what we've got here. I mean, just of course, in the intelligence community in the United States, the fact that you've got 18 or so agencies involved.

And then you've got other parts of the federal government. But even a simple question, like at any given facility who's in charge of all this, well, your first answer would always be, for example, if it's a military base, well, the commanding officer. he or she is in charge and the same at for example a commercial site that will be a site manager somebody is in day-to-day operational tactical command of any facility and has the sort of first-line responsibility of dealing with any security breach whether it's a trespasser coming through the front gate or whether it's what you AP or drones or however we characterize this flying over it but then you get to second order questions like okay commanding officer says I'm in charge of site security I get that but does that mean I can bring one of these things down and then then you get the the two problems of firstly the fact that you can't really have a public discussion about rules of engagement because that

tends to be classified. And secondly, there are some, you know, quite rightly checks and balances, just as there are on parts of the federal government and the intelligence community using its resources against the American people. There are some constraints on what you can do over the continental United States. Simply put, you don't want to shoot something down and then it's over a populated area and it falls on someone. So we saw that, for example, with the Chinese spy balloon. where you could have brought it down, you physically could have shot it down over the land, but you, for a number of reasons, didn't want to.

Yeah, I think it's an important point to make because that's actually something I was speaking to on one of my previous episodes, and I'm quite shocked at some of the statements from some of the Congress people, honestly, saying we need to shoot these things down, and that's a different message for the federal government. But I kind of think, and maybe this is just me giving my own opinion here, so I apologize for that.

But I kind of think that's a little bit irresponsible to say because you have citizens who can go outside with a handgun and try to shoot something that's a couple thousand feet in the air. Someone gets hurt or if it does hit, what type of fuel is in this thing? Nick, for all we know, there could be some type of nuclei battery involved with these drones. We don't know. So I think it's kind of irresponsible. Am I out of line for saying that? No, not at all. You're making an excellent point,

and it's one that I've actually made in some of my media interviews. And that's why this current lack of leadership, and that's why the total confusion and mixed messages is a very bad thing that has real world consequences, because the message should be this. Firstly, to the citizens, We understand your concerns, but don't worry. We are bringing to bear against this problem the full resources and capabilities of the U.S. military, law enforcement community and intelligence community.

We will find out what this is, and we will deal with it. That message isn't coming across. What's coming across is the idea that the government isn't in control of its own airspace, doesn't know what's going on. And that leads to your point that citizens might be tempted to say, well, clearly the government can't deal with this and protect us. I'm going to take matters into my own hands. And that's a bad thing in this instance, because like I say, I've seen pictures where people are saying, hey, one of these drones is going across. And it's a commercial aircraft. And so for goodness sake, we can't have people taking pot shots at commercial or military helicopters, aircraft, etc.

Yeah, it's a great point. And a nice statement, by the way. It's almost like you've done this before in the past. I want to read you a statement actually from White House National Security Advisor, John Kirby, on everything that's happening with the drone activity over New Jersey. And I want to get your reaction to this. He said in a recent interview here, well, actually it was a press briefing. He said, we have no evidence at this time that the reported drone sightings posing national security. or a public safety threat. And here's the part that gets me, Nick. He says, we have not been able to corroborate any of the reported visual sightings. Is that, that part shocked me?

Does that, does that shock you? Yes, I think what they're trying to do here is get the toothpaste back in the tube. That last statement clearly speaks to the point that I just made about some of this, obviously being aircraft and helicopters. And so it's a skeptical statement in a way. And I see, I totally get what he's trying to do. He's trying to give people some reassurance by saying there's no evidence that it's adversarial. But again, unfortunately, it doesn't quite go far enough in terms of sending the message that should be,

the top draw message here should be, don't worry, we're on it. and that's still not coming across. Yeah. And I think one of the problems there too is they're not really showing it either, right? I mean, they can come out with the messaging and the messaging can be on point, but it doesn't really feel like they're showing there on top of it. Like it just, it feels like they're very confused. And you have Congress people screaming at FBI, you know, associate directors and assistant directors

and the assistant directors are saying, well, we don't know. We're investigating. So it's really just, I've never seen anything like this. I mean, have you seen anything like this before where the messaging and the actions just look like no direction at all in a situation of national security, really, one way or another? Well, I don't want to get too political on this, but I think the fact that we're really in the dying days of the Biden administration and in that kind of period where we have, a president-elect coming in who's looking and sounding more like the actual president at the moment.

And clearly, there are a lot of people in federal government who know that they're on the way out or who are maybe trying to, I don't know, keep their heads down or whatever they're trying to do. It's not the ideal place for somebody to make strong decisions, given that these are the last embers of the Biden presidency. Kind of like a little senioritis. You're in high school. It's the final month of school. Yeah. And I think, again, you know, whatever people think you will get, if this situation is ongoing on or after January 20th, I think, day.

one, we will get maybe a little bit more sense of purpose and direction. And as I say, it's not necessarily a party political criticism, though I think people know where I stand on this. I think you'd get it in the dying days of any president of any party in this situation. But it's just another factor that goes into the pot in terms of why things are playing out the way they are. And I guess, and I hadn't really put it together like that before in my mind, but when you say it that way, it kind of does lend a little bit towards the idea of some type of adversarial operation where, you know, they see that, right? They see the timing of this. They say, well, we're kind of in the in-between right now. Maybe we can get away with some of this

stuff. I mean, is that fair to say or is that a stretch? No, it's not a stretch at all. I think it's a very good point. This is a lot of people know that Trump is both strong but also unpredictable. And so actually, if you're going to do an operation against the United States, now in the last days of a president who is perceived on the world stage as being, frankly, at the moment, largely absent, it's the perfect time to get away with a little bit more than you would normally do. So there may be people in Beijing and Moscow saying, let's run that off now because we sure as heck won't be able to do it for the next four years after January 20th. Now, I wish we had more time, Nick, but in the final few minutes, just really to that point,

when you think about the response so far from the federal government, we heard from the Pentagon that, well, this is an adversarial and it's not ours. So they kind of left it open-ended when they said it's not Iranian. It's not a mothership from Iran. It's not an adversarial. So meaning China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, whoever it might be. And it's not our tech. So they just say that. Then they just leave it in the open. So what kind of, again, the messaging there, I mean, they're kind of leaving people to their own devices to say, well, then who is it or what is it? If it's not us or an adversary. Well, that brings it back to UAP.

And of course, it was quite interesting. We've just had another congressional hearing. We've just had another both classified briefing, in fact, too, and an open briefing. Much of this at the moment being led by the House Oversight Committee, of course. And there was a media roundtable, Arrow, the Pentagon's All Domain anomaly resolution office just in the last few weeks published their most recent report. I think it's- What you can make of that, by the way?

Yeah, a mixed bag. Yeah. Nothing truly spectacular. An attempt to perhaps, again, I won't say debunk, but explain some cases. And that's fine. If they can explain cases, that's good. I think the media round table was more interesting because, Dr. Kozlowski said, frankly, there are still some incidents which, as he put it,

I with my experience in the intelligence community and my scientific degree cannot explain. So that was an interesting statement. Also, this speaks to our discussion about drones. He addressed the question about Langley. Of course, New Jersey hadn't really kicked off in the way. that it is now when he gave that media round table. But he said it's very important to get our definitions right. And he made an interesting point.

He said Langley, Arrow really wasn't doing much on that. Because he said for Arrow to get involved, an incident would have to be unidentified, fair enough, but also anomalous. And I think the clear implication of that was that Langley might be unidentified, But in terms of the parameters, speeds, maneuvers, acceleration, etc., it's not necessarily anomalous, therefore it falls to someone else.

And so the question that people might ask themselves in relation to New Jersey then is, is that the reason why Arrow isn't looking at this? And the answer might be yes, which again, points you more towards drones, as the public would understand the phrase. whether they're hobbyist, commercial, or adversarial. But the fact that Arrow don't seem to be involved, you know, is taking that more exotic possibility, I think, off the table somewhat with New Jersey.

That's interesting. Real, real quick, I came across, and I'm not sure if you saw this over Oregon, there was a lot of chatter with air traffic control about three different pilots. It was a MEDAVAC vehicle and like a couple of commercial pilots. from Alaska and airlines, all talking about this bright light that was going at supersonic speed,

according to the pilots and air traffic control, over the Pacific Ocean, back and forth towards the craft. What are we supposed to make out of that? Because that's not really getting a lot of attention. It's not. And that's why it's very interesting to look not just deep, but wide in a situation like this. because when we're focusing on New Jersey, what are we taking our eye off elsewhere? And you've just answered that question, of course. Well, Oregon, and maybe more generally the idea, and this has come up in relation to New Jersey and related sightings,

the idea perhaps that some of this involves activity either out of the ocean or in and out, transmedium, of the ocean. But again, are these adversarial drugs? drones or drone swarms being launched from, from submarines or from commercial ships, but, you know, under a false flag and in reality being operated by the intelligence community of an adversary, or is it something else? But I mean, pilots, of course, you and I have had this discussion, I think, before, pilots see things all the time.

What the current drone incursion story is doing is. making it maybe more likely that people that see something will say something. And so that is a good thing. That being said, obviously pilots can get caught up in the hysteria themselves, and there have been cases of pilots reporting what have clearly been Starlink launches or SpaceX, you know, Falcon rockets, whatever it is. So I think we need to look carefully at some of this. critical filters, but, you know, again, it's an interesting situation. And it's one I predict that

we all still have some twists and turns as we move forward with this story. I think you're right about that. And there's never enough time, Nick. I wish we could have a little bit more time today, but we'll definitely keep in touch as I'm sure things continue to develop. And even, like you said, into the new administration, I have a feeling that we'll get more developments on this end as well. How can people find you? Are you going back on tour with ancient aliens soon, following on social media? Yeah, social media X is the platform on which I'm most active.

And my handle there is at Nick Pope, MOD for Ministry of Defense, of course. And also, yes, ancient aliens live tour.com. We have already, I think, 13 new shows in the schedule for 2025, more to come. And yeah, I think my website's nickpote.net as well. But watch this space. We will, although, as I say, this is always events led, I think the new Trump administration will bring maybe some interesting points on this. President Trump has said in response to a question, I think, from Joe Rogan, that he intends to release the rest of the JFK files. He, of course, released some in his first term, held a few back, but he said now he's going to release the remainder of them.

It was clear from the way the interview went down that in President Trump's mind, he links the UAPSU with the JFK files issue. maybe in terms of the public interest, maybe in terms of the suggestion that there's a conspiracy. And because he's undertaken to release the balance of the JFK files quite early in his second term, it raises the intriguing possibility that he will grip the UAP issue early in his second term. Let's hope so. Absolutely. Yeah, I have a feeling things will get interesting early on. So we'll see how that goes for sure.

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James always does excellent work, but I think he's surpassed himself with this one, and I think lots of interesting material. I was on obviously talking about the Calvin incident, very famous high-profile British case, but also everything going on in the U.S. more generally with congressional engagement on this. Yeah, good stuff. Follow on a lot going on. So follow along. Make sure you're keeping track of Nick and all his exploits because there's a lot happening and he does a great job touching at all. Nick Pope, thanks so much for coming back on here to UAP.

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I always appreciate next time, like I said. And he always gives great insight, too, which, you know, so I love having him on. You know, I always want to try to have on the most insightful people that I can to give you the best information and points of view and different explanations possible that are out there. So before we go, like I said, I wanted to touch on some things before we kind of wrapped up here today on episode 99 of UAP. First off, let me just say this as far as a plug goes. you can check me out. I was just on with the guys from the GarageLogic podcast, and you can check me out there.

If you just search GarageLogic, I was a guest on their show, and they had me on to discuss this, and this situation trying to get some answers. So I was always happy to do that. Really cool guys enjoy being on the show. It was actually on once before, about actually right after the D.C. hearing,

so they were nice enough to ask me to come back on and talk about this situation. So some of the things that are very worthy to touch on here before we're done and feeding off of the what you just heard there from Nick and as always again, thanks to him and great stuff. One thing that people forget about, and I

mentioned it during the interview, but it's worth mentioning again, is that this is not exclusive. This is not unique. And I've been telling people that even in my everyday life who come up to me and say, so, Stephen, what's going out with the drone situation? I mean, they know that I do this show and that I'm in this world, so they see

me and they're like, hey, what's going on? Is this aliens? and the answer is we don't exactly, no one really knows for sure what's happening. I think it's more along the lines of we can say what it isn't. And I think that's kind of where we are right now with this situation. But we also have to keep a mind, like I've been telling everybody lately, that New Jersey is not exclusive. It is not unique to this experience. Of course, we remember what just happened in the UK very, very recently.

They had the same exact thing happening over the three, different bases in the UK. We saw what happened in Langley not too long ago. These are all things, again, reiterating from the episode, but it's worth mentioning again because New Jersey grabs the headlines, and that's rightfully so. I get it. I understand why New Jersey would grab the headlines. But when it comes to some of the prevailing theories about, well, these are just, you know,

this is secret military tech, and they're just doing this. It's a sci-up. Well, then why would we, why would we say that? and completely discounts everything else that's happened in Virginia or sightings over Oregon by pilots and Dallas by pilots or over the UK. Those things as well are very noteworthy and happened. So if we're going to come out here and just act like it's only New Jersey, I think that will lead us down the wrong path when it comes to trying to figure out what is happening.

Because when we say, well, it's our own text searching for nukes, for example. on this over the weekend. And if you didn't see the video on Twitter, then I want to tell you what I learned. Because I put out this video, it was a few minutes long, pretty short, around three minutes or so. And in that video, I addressed three different things. That's, I spoke about with Anthony Williams over the weekend. He and I spoke on Saturday morning, just private conversation. And so there was some things that I learned during the conversation that I wanted to relate to you. So I put out this video addressing number one, Space Force. Is this space force operation? The answer to that is no. Anthony couldn't really go into detail with me about

why it's not space force, but just said it's not, all you need to know is that it's not a space force operation. Okay, enough said. I won't dig any more on that end. But is this a situation? This became kind of like the prevailing narrative over the weekend, and I think some people have backed off on it now, thankfully as of today, because it's not true. And that is, is this a situation where the U.S. government is hiding the fact that they're using these drones. These are U.S. drones that are looking for nukes, that there are some type of dirty bombs, and they're using these drones to sniff out the radiation signals and signatures, I should say, so that way they can find these lost nukes before something terrible happens.

That doesn't seem like the case for a couple of reasons. Number one, again, this is the information I received, and it's been verified and confirmed by the way. Independently, Ryan Graves put something out last night on Sunday night saying this, same thing I'm about to say as well as Ross Colthard. We don't have the same sources. As far as I know, they don't have the same sources together. But three of us independently with independent sources have all come to the same conclusion, which is this is not a nuke sniffing situation from these drones. And the reasons I was given was because if that was the case, there would be number one, there would need to be a cover story.

If there is something going on when it pertains to Homeland Security, you're going to have a ground game and you're going to have a cover story that the government or those operators can use in order not to arouse any suspicions. That's not happening here. There is no ground game. There's no cover story. In fact, it's the quite opposite. The federal government seems like they have no idea what's happening.

Case in point, Alejandro Mayarchus over the weekend. I'll get to that in a second. But the other reason is kind of going with the ground game portion. In a situation like that where you would be searching for lost nukes to prevent some type of domestic attack, you would have to have local and state authorities cooperating with your investigation and your search. That obviously is not happening here because local and state authorities in New Jersey and in New York for that matter, and in Connecticut for that matter, where they've also had these sightings. I have no idea what's going on.

And you even had former governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie, was out over the weekend. speaking on the news, saying that he's had these drones over his house. So you have mayors, you have governors, you have congressmen, you have former governors, you have all these different people, and as well as FBI agents and Coast Guard officials who have spoken about, they have no idea what's happening. And they're actually being followed by these things. So there is no state or local cooperation with the federal government. The federal government cannot have some type of unilateral investigation to find these things.

That's just not how it works. that's really those are the main reasons why this is not a you know nuke sniffing situation by these drones the other one is it's quite simple is that they wouldn't use drones to do it they would most likely use helicopters and again some type of ground game as well along with the cover story and none of that is happening so we can cross off the searching for nukes theory you can cross that one off of your list but then you also have things that have happened over the weekends such as those you know right patterson air force base the airspace being shut down and you can hear it on the the air traffic control conversation. There was actually conversation to this where they speak about these UAS, they call us. they have UAV or drones. They say UAS unmanned aerial systems that are flying over or flying through the airspace and they shut down the airspace over Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. So that begs the question, what the heck is going on there?

I mean, Wright Patterson, I think we all know how sensitive that area is. In fact, we think we all know some of the history as well where there's been speculation about some crash retrievals over the decades that have been taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. So Wright-Patterson, to me, was a very, very significant event over the weekend that I wouldn't say isn't getting a lot of coverage because it is getting coverage, but it's not getting enough coverage, in my opinion, because we know being in this arena

that the history surrounding Wright-Patterson Air Force Base when it comes to rumors of crash retrievals being brought there. So that is a very, very intriguing thing to me, not to mention Wright-Patterson being one of the major operations centers for the United States military and the Air Force. So that's a massive, massive deal that they had to shut down the airspace there because of these things and because of these sightings. Again, documented through air traffic control chatter.

And I did mention Alejandro Mayorkas. I do want to get to him real quick, getting to what Chuck Schumer had to say as well, which was very, very telling, I think, something that came out from him over the weekend. But with Alejandro Mayorkas from Homeland Security, he comes out on Saturday, in case you missed this, and says that, well, basically there's nothing to see here.

We want to calm everybody's nerves because there's nothing going on. There's no threat. Well, clearly he's not paying attention because there absolutely is something going on, so much so that he comes out the next day on Sunday completely changes his tune. on ABC News and then comes on to say that, well, we are investigating this and we need more resources.

We need more resources from Congress in order to put more investigation and more manpower behind this. So he went from, it's no big deal to we don't have enough resources. So I'm not sure what happened in the 24 hours between those interviews that changed his tune. But that was really something to see. And it just goes to show you again how clueless the federal government is on this. There is no cover story. The cover story is they don't know what's going on. if anything, they can just have their own natural cover story because they have nothing to go on.

They're in the dark. Now, there is a lot of speculation that that's not the case, that it's an act. Maybe it's a ruse. Maybe their cover story is to act like they don't know what's going on. So that way they don't have to disclose the truth that this is some type of UAP, NHA incursion that we're seeing. It's a theory. But if they're doing that, then they're really, really good actors. Because they really seem like they have no idea what's going on.

And that's what I've been told as well, that they truly do not know what's happening or how to respond to it. Leading me to Chuck Schumer, who actually mentioned over the weekend that they want to deploy some type of high-tech drone detection systems to see what these things are. Now, that, again, was very telling to me. That was one of the more significant events over the weekend, I think, because that tells me, just my observation here, that if we're going to be deploying, a high-tech detection system for drones, then they most likely dump along to the U.S. Because why would we be using our own detection system against our own drones?

That seems kind of counterproductive, just a little bit. And Chuck Schumer even mentioned, he's like, I don't believe this is U.S. military, because if it was, they would have told us. So again, it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing here, and the federal government doesn't know how to respond to it because they don't know what to respond to.

It's a wild situation when you really look at, at it like that. And lastly, one of the other theories to touch on as of today is the adversarial theory. A lot of people keep saying, well, look, you know, this is obviously China or Russia or some type of adversary that is trying to spy on us and get our secrets and all these different things. And I understand that point. But if we're going to make that point, then we have to ask the questions. How are they doing that?

Where did they get this technology from? That we can't intercept, that we can't knock down, that we can't shoot down. that basically runs impervious through our cities and some of the most secret installations in our country and sensitive installations such as nuclear bases or nuclear power plants or Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey.

So if this is adversarial, how are they doing this? Why can't we take them down? That's one question. The other question, the other inconsistent, maybe is the better word, and this is probably the strongest case against the adversarial, is that how would they get here? You can't just have China or Russia fly drones thousands of miles across the ocean and go back and forth every night. There has to be a station somewhere. There has to be a

hub somewhere where they would recharge or refuel and fly from in order to get to the eastern coast of the United States every single night. From, you know, sunset to around 11, PM is what everyone has been saying. And so if we're going to say that, and that means they have to be within 100 miles off of the East Coast. This is the information, again, that I've been given. In order to get here,

they have to be at least 100 miles off. So somewhere within 100 miles. And if they were, let's just say, hypothetically speaking, this was a Russian submarine, a Chinese submarine. And these drones are coming from those submarines. Because remember, the Coast Guard has said that these things are coming from the water. They're coming

off the coast. In some cases, they said they're coming from the water. So maybe they're coming from a submarine. Well, if that's the case, these submarines are in U.S. waters and they are being, well, adversarial. They're showing threats. That would mean that the U.S. Navy or the Coast Guard would take these things out over open U.S. waters. That is protocol. That's the operational situation that they would operate under. But, again, if you listen to my interview with Anthony Williams, he makes the very astute observation that this is not adversarial because none of those things would happen

without a response. We are not responding to this in a way that would show us that we are dealing with someone who is an adversary against the United States. So where does that leave us? Well, there's only a couple of options after that. Either A, the government is lying about this and there is some type of splinter group

from the CIA that is flying these drones and even the government and even the military doesn't know about it. Okay, you can use that as an option if you like. Or this does have something to do with NHI. This does have something to do with some type of alien technology that maybe it's a mix of secret drones from the United States that only maybe three people know about

and those are being used to monitor and go after some different NHI craft. Or it's completely NHI. There aren't many options left after it's not the U.S. It's not adversarial. Then where else do we go? And it seems like a lot of people in government are asking that question. So will it go away? You heard me ask that to Nick.

And the reason why I ask that is because if you look at kind of the timeline and the patterns of this, it seems like it just ends up stopping at some point. Langley, Virginia is a good example. Or the U.K. over the R.F bases. You know, they were still getting some sightings here and there, but it wasn't an every night thing. It lasted for a few weeks. It went away.

We're around three weeks right now with New Jersey. So I'm very curious to see how much more activity will we see over these next coming days. Will it continue? Or will it stop and move on somewhere else like Southern California, where they're reporting more sightings over the weekend in San Diego and Los Angeles and San Francisco? So just something to keep an eye on. If it continues that trend of after three to four weeks, it kind of just stops and then ends up somewhere else. Now, with all that being said, after going through that entire diatribe and explanations and scenarios and information,

President-elect Donald Trump just spoke at Mar-a-Lago where he was doing a press conference on many different issues, and the drone question came up. So here's what President-elect Donald Trump has to say about this. And spoiler alert, it's in direct contrast to everything I've been saying. Here you go. Can you comment on the drones that are flying around New Jersey ports? It seems like the American people have a big discreet. The government knows what is happening.

Look, our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went. And for some reason, they don't want to comment. And I think they'd be better off saying what it is. Our military knows and our president knows. And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine it's the enemy because it was the enemy they'd blast it out.

Even if they were late, they'd blast it. Something strange is going on for some reason. They don't want to tell the people. And they should because the people are really, I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster. Have you received an intelligence briefing on the drones? I don't want to comment on that. So just to recap on that, doesn't want to comment on whether or not he's receiving intelligence briefings, okay? Didn't mention that he's aware they're flying over, you know, one of his houses at Benminster, where he has the National Golf Club there.

And also talks about there's something strange going on. I don't know what he means by that. Read into that however you want is it doesn't mean something strange going on because he says the government does know what's happening and they don't want to tell people. So that was the part I said that was in direct contrast to what I was saying. where my information is saying that's the, you know, they really don't know what's going on. President like Donald Trump says they do know what's going on. You would assume that he has some better, you know, more direct information than I do. So if that's what he's saying, then that is in contrast to what a lot of people have been saying.

Even Chuck Schumer. I mean, Chuck Schumer was talking about they don't know what these things are. Just yesterday afternoon he was saying that. So if there is somebody in government, he did mention President Biden. We said the president now knows what's going on. They don't want to tell people. He doesn't understand why they're hiding it from people. And he says something strange is going on.

So something strange, again, take that how you want, meaning the situation itself, the answer is strange, or the fact that they don't want to tell people what's going on. And that's the something strange. Boy, that was a statement that I wasn't expecting here today that really kind of threw a new wrinkle into this whole saga. And that's why I do this. I'm trying to bring you the latest up-to-date information that I can. on this entire situation. So that literally just took place from Mar-a-Lago today

with President-elect Donald Trump. Make of that what you will. But wow, that was interesting. But he did agree. I will say that he did confirm, I will say instead of agree, confirmed that it doesn't make sense it would be adversarial

for a lot of the reasons we were just saying there, you know, that they would have already been taken care of. So something else to consider right there as well. It's not adversarial, and the government does know. I guess actually, I just thought about that.

with President Trump's saying it's not adversarial for the reasons I've been seen here on the show you know it would be taken down already and all these different things

then but the government does know and they don't want to tell people and it's a strange situation then again what's the deal he's saying it's not adversarial but the government knows

so that only leaves us with something domestic or something foreign through NHI like, you know, alien foreign type of thing. Or maybe somehow it's a mix of both of those things. Maybe it doesn't have to be exclusively one or the other.

Not many options left. So, again, really a very interesting new wrinkle there to hear that from President-elect Donald Trump to try to piece this all together. Wow, always something. It's like up to the second here on UAP, I'll tell you. But I just wanted to make sure I got all that out to you so you can have all the latest information.

And, of course, make up your own mind. of what's happening here, but I have a feeling that there's still a lot more information to come to kind of maybe piece this puzzle together and see what's really happening. You know, I'm going to do my best to bring it all to you. So stay tuned to UIP right here. Then I'll keep you updated on social media at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter and TikTok at UA Podcast 850 and on YouTube at UAP podcast 850 as well. In the next coming days, we're going to put up my interview on YouTube with James Fox. I'll have the entire thing up there so you can see the video version of that of that interview. James was great and shout out to him because his new movie came out today, the program. So check that out.

I'm looking forward to watching it myself. I still haven't seen it. So I do look forward to watching it. So if you want to see the interview that he and I had a few days ago, you'll be able to check that out on YouTube. So keep an eye out for that on the UAP YouTube page. But that will do it for now. Until next time, continue to download it, subscribe to the show, wherever you get your podcast and Spotify, Apple, Amazon. all those great places. And like I said, follow along for all the latest updates on social media at UA Podcast 850. And I'll come back with you hopefully very soon on episode 100. I'm looking forward to putting that together and see what comes up next to find out what we will be talking about. What new information is going to come out by the time episode 100 of UAP comes out. Boy, it's crazy.

We've been doing it that long. But it's all because of you. So thank you so very much as always. So until then, Stephen Dean, you're here on UAP, saying thank you, be well, and I'll talk to you again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcasts. Bye for now. Thanks.