UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: Joe McMoneagle part 1 - Mars 1 Million B.C.

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

With the most recent episode of 218, where we covered monoliths on the moon and mars, now feels like the perfect time to revisit what Joseph McMoneagle saw. Stephen Diener discusses the US governments most prolific seer on record and recounts some of the most incredible things he's viewed. His story about Mars from one million B.C. might change you. It's all here in this Part 1 episode...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, welcome in to another episode of UAP, brand new episode. Number 79. I am Stephen Deiner back with you on the Unidentified Alien podcast. And today I'm just going to throw this out there right now, because I'm super excited to do this, worked really hard on this one. But I really enjoyed working on it as well because this episode is absolutely packed. Because we're going to start a series about a subject that I have always been very, very intrigued. by and that is the ability of remote viewing now if you follow me in the show on twitter you

probably would have seen that i had spoken about this already um saying that we were going to have a new series well not a new series as far as uap but kind of a series of episodes covering remote viewing so i'm really excited to get the stories and the conversation going and especially with this one because i didn't want to skip out on any details so this is longer than usual um But I think it's worth it. I hope you'll find it worth it. Because just when it comes to the topic itself, as some of you may know, I first became interested with the topic of remote viewing after watching documentary

about the man that they call the father of remote viewing, the great Edgar Casey, who I actually did a two-part series on a couple of years back. It's one of the reasons why I even started UAP to begin with was the stories surrounding Edgar Casey. So I was really excited to finally do those episodes a couple of years ago. And I actually put out, re-released part one of that episode about Edgar Casey, because that was a two-part series about him that I did a couple of years ago. So I re-released that part one episode, kind of in the spirit of this new, you know, conversation that I'm doing around remote viewing.

So if you want to go check that out, you absolutely can to hear that original episode I did about Edgar Casey. So if you haven't heard that or if you want to hear it again, feel free. Go back and listen to it at your leisure, of course. after this one. Don't stop this one. Listen to this first. You can go back. But today we are going to discuss a man who maybe we can call the modern day Edgar Casey. And that is a man named Joseph McMonigal. And I have to say right off the bat that I want to thank everyone who responded to something

that I posted on Twitter a couple of weeks ago when I said that I wanted to start covering this subject of remote viewing for a new episode. My original idea and intent was to do an interview with someone, someone who has experience remote view and someone who could relate stories and experiences and I was asking for advice on who I should speak to. The overwhelming majority of you came back to me and said that I need to get with Joseph McMonigal. So after hours of researching him and his stories, I became so enthralled with it all that I was like, you know what? I have to do an episode about him first. I want to dive into what he's done and what he's experienced first in a full, you know, a full

whole length feature episode of UAP. So that's what I wanted to do here today. And hopefully have him on as a guest down the road. I would still absolutely love to do that if I could get him on the show. But I need to find some contact info for him. So got to work on that. But thank you to everyone who responded to that post. I do appreciate you throwing out a bunch of names because Joseph McMonigle is not the only

name that you guys threw out to me. There's some really great suggestions that I have written down for the future. So I really appreciate your input. Definitely do. Thank you. I also want to say that remote viewing itself is, in my humble opinion, one of the most significant unheralded truths out there right now. You can have your opinions on this, of course.

It's always up to you. But from everything I've seen over the years and everything I researched for this episode that you're going to hear today, remote viewing is a very real skill I've found, I believe. It's a technique. It's a gift. Whatever you want to call it. Maybe it's all the above. I don't know.

But it's something that has been used by a skill. our government and other governments around the world, by the way, to find answers to some of their biggest questions. A lot of them use it for spying, quite frankly. And there are many declassified documents to back this up, many. So when you keep all that in mind, these stories that you will hear today become, in my opinion, all that more impactful and meaningful to our everyday reality. Now, all that said, before we get into the extraordinary stories about Joseph McMonigle. Let's first get to our factoid. Ladies and gentlemen, the factoid.

All right, so I kind of feel like I'm cheating here because this factoid is actually about Joseph McMonagall because there's just so much ground to cover with this man that I had to find a spot to first discuss who he is and how he became one of the most prolific remote viewers in history, at least on record. First off, just in case you're not familiar with the concept of remote viewing. Let me get that out of the way. Joseph described it as the act of describing or drawing details about a place, person, or thing without having any prior knowledge of that place, person, or things.

So those are in his words. He said that true remote viewing, unlike, you know, crystal ball gazing or things like that, is always conducted under strict scientific protocols. So in other words, and this is me talking now, using ESP abilities to be able to see people or objects in a different place or time without ever leaving the room that you're in. It's essentially what remote viewing is. Think of 11 from Stranger Things or the movie with George Clooney, the men who stare at goats. It's all remote viewing.

And by the way, that one's based on a true story, the men who stare at goats. But back to the subject. So Joseph McMonagall was just another 20-something fighting for the U.S. Army in the Vietnam War. He eventually joined U.S. Army Intelligence after being awarded the Legion of Merit. But then something happened to him. in 1970 and it changed his life and the life of many others forever. Here's how his story begins. Call it Joe's origin story.

In a restaurant, Joe suddenly felt ill and staggered outside. This is the first time he's told his story on television. It was sort of a pop and I found myself standing on a cobblestone road watching the rain go through my hands and looked up. up and saw my body sort of half in and half out of a doorway. I knew at that point that I was probably dead. Joe was rushed to a hospital where he arrived showing no signs of life. I felt as well I was falling backwards and was enveloped by a white light. All right, so just to cover some of that real quick, obviously that's from an old TV interview,

pretty old actually, where he was kind of giving his origin story. They were talking about his abilities and how it all starts. and it really all began with Joe having a near-death experience. You heard him say, they're coming at a restaurant, and ends up being rushed to the hospital in, you know, a serious medical condition goes into the white light and everything like that, right? But he comes out of it, and when he came out of it, he was all the sudden blessed, cursed, whatever you want to say.

Either way, he had these abilities, and he didn't really know how to respond. He couldn't reconcile what was happening to him. His views had, on reality, it had been absolutely shattered. This was just another guy, right? I mean, he didn't get into any of these things, but he explains more here. I started having spontaneous out of bodies.

I'd lay down for a nap on the couch or something, and I just find myself suddenly out of my body somewhere else, totally. Joe also claims he started having other unexplainable experiences. like knowing what complete strangers were thinking. For eight years, he kept his extra sensory perceptions to himself. All right, so again, from the same report there, the old TV report, and you hear that kept it to himself for eight years. Imagine how hard that must have been.

Like, think about it for yourself. I mean, I can just, you know, kind of put myself in his shoes. There's something like that happened to me. If all of a sudden, you know, God forbid I have a near-death experience, and I wake up and I realize that I'm having out-of-body experiences and I'm able to hear other people's thoughts that I've gained these, you know, ESP abilities. How do you keep that to yourself for eight years?

I would be telling my family, I would say, hey, think of a number. I'm going to guess it. A number between one and a thousand. I mean, but to credit to Joe, he kept it to himself. Maybe he kept it to himself out of fear. You know, I don't know. Maybe it was just because he didn't really know how to explain it himself. And I think personally, that kind of adds to the validity of his claims to begin with.

You know, he wasn't boisterous about it. He wasn't trying to make money off of it and, you know, make it like some type of stage show or something like that. Kept to himself for all that time until eventually he decided to put his abilities to use. When in 1978, he became the first person, the first one, the first remote viewer in the military, U.S. military, to join up with the new initiative that was going on. It was being spearheaded by the military and the SRI for short. the Stanford Research Institute, or SRI for short, and they called it Project Grill Flame, but it was only known by that name for a little while. It would later be known by its more familiar name, maybe the name you that you've heard of,

called Project Stargate. And it was led by a man named Dr. Edwin May, as well as another man who was highly involved named Skip Atwater, excuse me. The mission of this project was to use the technique of remote viewing to corroborate and gather intel on foreign adversaries. So in simple terms, it was really a psychic spying program. And this was something, by the way, that Russia was already doing. At this time, the Soviet Union, the USSR, they were doing this already.

They had their own psychic spies, their own remote viewers that they were using to gather intel and corroborate intel that they were getting on the United States. So the U.S. realized they were behind the eight ball with this, the Pentagon, the military, and so on and so forth, and especially the CIA, and they decided that it was time to get into the remote viewing game themselves, enter Joseph McMonigle. During his 15 years in Project Stargate, McManagall used his ability to remote view

and helped discover missing weapons, submarines, which actually the movie The Hunt for Red October, is inspired by one of his remote viewing missions, in case you didn't know that. He helped to find hostages, in different countries, Iran and things like that, as well as uncovering KGB spies. There's really some fascinating stories

that maybe I'll try to get into if and when I get to speak to Joe himself on the show. I would love to ask him about that because the way he discovered some of these spies was just incredible. So he did a great service for his country, and there's no doubt about that. But it's the other stuff

that he helped the military and CIA view that we'll be covering here in detail today. The first one of those things is something that I called the Clearwater Missouri Cube Session. We're going to start right now with that one. And I call this the first course of a three-course meal. So think of this as part of like the appetizer, right? You got your bread.

You got your salad ready to go. Maybe you got your olive oil dip there with some Parmesan cheese. This is a hefty story that we're going to split up into many pieces. But we're not going to get full on the bread and salad alone. Okay. That said, let's go ahead and dig into this 1973 Clearwater, Missouri Cube session. Hey, guys, we'll get back to that in just a second. But I wanted to kind of continue something here that I've been talking to you about now for a little while. And that is my experience is with Shopify.

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It's kind of an interesting sighting because there were a lot of things going on, and somebody suggested that it be targeted by remote viewers, I guess. I don't know who suggested it or why, but it wound up being one of our training targets. This is my result of that targeting. So a couple of important things to point out there as we start this one. First off, you know, you hear him talking there. He was talking at a conference and, you know, with the live audience in front of him, he's telling this story. So if you hear some of the live audience, that's why.

But I think it's telling to me in Joe's personality how he's, says, I don't know why they found this important, but I was one of the guys they chose to look into this, because, you know, that tells me that he was just a willing participant. Like, he wasn't there to show off. He wanted to help. That's, that's why he decided to join this project Stargate to begin with. The mission was to kind of find out what happened with this siding, to investigate and interact with aliens and alien tech, or as we call them these days, you know, NHI, non-human intelligence. But the mission of this session was to go backward in time to 1973. So yes, his remote viewing involved time traveling. I know, okay, but this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is the stuff here.

So they wanted to go backward to 1973 to view a mysterious sighting that took place in Clearwater, Missouri next to a big reservoir and dam like you heard him mentioned because remember McMonigle didn't even start with Project Stargate again in until its inception in 1978. So now they're, you know, they're investigating things that had already happened. So this siting was obviously important to those in positions of power. The question is why this particular siting.

And, you know, you heard Joe there, he wasn't even sure why. Though I must say when you hear the rest of the story, it might become clear why this was important to them. So let's continue as Joe explains what he was seeing during this session. And my first perception was a life. big light about the size of a small aircraft carrier and then the in was a whole bunch of lights arriving and then imploding not exploding but imploding four of them arrived on a mountain top

and then imploded i was very specific about that so they had a sense that they just kind of arrived together and imploded very strange yeah strange indeed i don't remember ever hearing a you know a UFO report, a UAP report about imploding craft. Are we talking about teleportation of some sort? You know, similar to the videos that Ashton Forbes has out about MH370. I know, you know, I've spoken to him a few times here on the show and we think we've all seen those videos. Maybe Joe saw that as imploding. That's how he was able to, you know, describe that, characterize that.

didn't know how else to put it. So are these craft, by the way, enormous craft describes them as aircraft carrier size. And I think it's important to say that he's not really using the term craft. Maybe I'm interpreting that because he's saying these lights the size of an aircraft carrier. And they're imploding and there's four of them. So really unique stuff here. But we're going to jump right back into the next part of the story here. as Joe recalls what he saw next.

And spoiler alert, it gets stranger. Next perception was another aircraft carrier that went by from right to left. Big, bright, white aircraft carrier, size light. Third impression was the arrival of two big circular lights that came together in a form of a figure eight and kind of wobbled there doing a dance.

So again, these things were huge, right? Aircraft carrier size, I mean, my gosh, that it's hard to even compare that to any other sightings. I mean, the only thing I can think of is maybe something like the Phoenix Lights, you know, where people saw the giant V in the air back in 1997, or the famous siding from the 80s, the Japanese airline pilot, who saw what he described as a massive mothership overhead, their airplane. But this is, you know, this is huge with the way he's describing this.

And then the figure eight, you know, shape, again, very unique. unique with these implosion descriptions he's talking about. That to me, I interpret that as some type of teleportation going in and out of time or realms, whatever you want to say. But that's just my interpretation on that. So as it was at this point that Joe's monitor, and you're going to hear the term monitor from Joe and from myself throughout this episode. So keep in mind, when we say monitor, we're not talking about a computer monitor.

Okay, that's, because that's what we think about now when we hear the term monitor, but he's talking about the person in the room with him who is conducting the remote viewing session. Okay. So that's what we talk about when you hear the word monitor during this episode. This monitor, this person suggested, hey, why not follow those lights and see if you can join them? You know, let's investigate this further. That's the whole point of this mission. So that's just what he did.

As he went to go join him, Joe says that he then. then had an out-of-body experience. So at this point, this was a whole different level of remote viewing than any other type of session that he had gone through, because he felt like at this point he was actually physically gone rather than just viewing a time or place. So the story continues here, as Joseph finds himself now, again, in his perception, he's actually there. he finds himself in some type of craft or room and there's no visible way to him of getting out here you go on the next portion

and I found myself sitting in a white cube perfectly white cube very bright with no windows or doors just a pure white cube and no way to get out in no way of knowing how I got in so I started looking for a seam or a door or a window couldn't seem to find one.

So I thought, oh, time to go back to my body now. And nothing happened. Oops. Yeah, oops, I would say. I mean, you talk about a moment of panic, right? You're used to this technique. You're used to the way that these remote viewing sessions go, where you have control over it,

and now all of a sudden he's just stuck, and he can't find a way out. That is terrifying. So what is this? Is this some type of alien craft? Is it a different room? Is it some type of construct that these entities are using to keep him in? Because they're curious as to who is this person viewing us.

These are all questions that pop into my head anyway. So where did he go? Right. And did they feel his presence? And that's why they wanted to trap him. Or maybe he subconsciously put himself there. It's very, very intriguing. Because as Joseph continues to look for a way out of this seamless,

white cube, he becomes shocked and really kind of taken it back even more at what he sees next. So honestly, what could be more unnerving than his current situation of being trapped inside some type of giant cube? Well, I'll let him explain here. Apparition of my father beamed in. Problem is my father had been dead about two years. And he in a very gruff voice pointed his hand over my shoulder. Leave. You don't belong here. And I went, nice try.

Whoever you are, it is not going to work. Because my dad's never raised his voice to me. My dad looked very confused for a moment and then beamed out. So this is really fascinating to me because you don't really hear about in any type of sightings or even abduction cases that I can remember where you're having these entities actually. appear to people in the form of somebody that they know. Like that's really interesting to me. So it kind of reminds me actually

of the movie Contact with Jody Foster. If you've seen that one, I mean, Matthew McConaughey's. It's one of my favorite movies of all time is I know it might be a big shock to you. You know, where she ends up seeing her father on a beach. But it's not her father.

And the entity tells them that, that they, you know, want to appear to her in a form that she could understand and recognize. That's what it reminds me of. But the thing here is that contact came out way after this story. So I wonder maybe this is where they got the idea. I don't know. But I don't know of any other cases.

Like I said, abduction, sightings, where you're seeing or where the entity is appearing to the subject as someone that they know. So, you know, are they playing mind tricks on him? Obviously, it wasn't really his dad, as you heard him say there. He could understand that, the situation that he was in. So are these entities or certain types of entities able to read minds in our memories? I mean, how did they know what his dad looked like? How do they know to appear as his dad in front of him, to try to trick him, to try to use someone that was important to him, that he would recognize immediately and be obedience.

into, but he saw through the facade. Do they know how to use our emotions against us? Again, this is really fascinating to me because I've never heard of that before other than, again, in the movie Contact, it's kind of like a whole other level, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to go through this story today because it's really unique. And it's a tough one to kind of reconcile. But the fact that he was able to differentiate, like, kudos to Joe, because to be in that situation and to be able to say, no, this is an illusion and not reality, while you're stuck

yourself in some type of, you know, illusion itself and maybe not an illusion, but he's stuck in time, an alternate reality, I guess you could say. That's pretty impressive to be able to differentiate what's real, what's not, while you're stuck in that situation. But that's why he's one of the best remote viewers of all time. But his session and investigation are now coming to an answer. end when it comes to this Missouri cube, except he doesn't know it yet. So here's the thing.

Remember, he's still stuck on this thing or inside whatever this is. And the question still remains, how is it going to get off of it? You know, he's still trying to figure that out. He's looking for a seam, is looking for a way out. He can't get back into his body. Well, enter a light being, as Joe calls it. They are no longer disguising themselves as his dead parents and have now decided to take matters into their own hands. Listen to how

he wraps this up here. Just really incredible stuff and startling really. Take a listen. And then these two light beings appear, or one light being appeared. It looked very humanoid in shape. It had no face.

Just a light outline. And it folded into two of itself. And my perception was it was arguing with itself. And that really made me feel uncomfortable. And it raised an appendage and a light being shot out of its appendage and hit me in the chest and I felt a moment of panic and I started hammering on the side of this box this cube and then I had a

sense that something reached inside my chest and started feeling around messing around inside my chest well something found a nerve inside me and strummed it and I was instantly violently ill like I was gonna project all vomit that's when I sat bowled up right in my body and collided heads with my monitor, and we terminated a remote viewing session. And that's how it ends. So he got out, obviously, because I mean, Joseph, you know, McMonagull is still with us today, thankfully. It collide heads with his monitor. Again, not a computer monitor, but the person in the room with him conducting the remote viewing session.

And that's how it all came to a close there. They, they, using some type of, you know, technology or, maybe that's just their essence that they're able to go through our physical bodies. Scary stuff, honestly, with these light beings or splitting themselves into two. Like, what was this thing? I've never heard of something like this. But what I have heard about, and this part I found very intriguing, and maybe you caught this too, was this light beam that was shot out of its appendage. And to me, that resembled the story from Philadelphia.

Philip Schneider, something that I've spoke about way back toward the beginning of UAP almost, you know, three years ago, where we spoke about the Dulce base. And Philip Schneider, who was a whistleblower on that Dulce base case, eventually he was killed. Spoiler alert, if you've never heard that episode, is one, I think, number four in the UAP series. But his story is incredible. But he talks about working at the Dulce base in New Mexico as an engineer and coming across these aliens underground as they were. making this underground base and the aliens shooting him with some type of light, which severed a couple of his fingers off. So I couldn't help but to be, you know, kind of reminisce about that detail from Philip Schneider's

story and connected to Joe McManagull's story. Also couldn't help but to think about the stories recently within the past year that we've heard out of Peru, where, you know, these villagers in Peru, have been seen these entities, aliens, whatever you want to call them, and being shot at by these light beams. People talk about that during these Peru sightings throughout the past year. So you have these connections. Everything else about this story to me is fairly unique. Now, we have heard about the cube shaped UAPs. So that part is something that we have heard before. But everything else about Joe McManagull's story there is pretty unique.

But when you talk about this light beam, I think about Philip Schneider, I think about Peru, I think about any other case too. I mean, just think about, you know, people seeing bright lights shining down on them before they're abducted. So you do have similarities there to a lot of these other famous cases. So that kind of struck me. The other thing, too, is whatever this light being was, knowing our anatomy enough. So not only knowing Joe's inner thoughts and emotions to project themselves as his dead father,

but also knowing his anatomy enough and I guess human anatomy enough to be able to reach inside his chest and know what nerve to strike that would cause him to become ill and snap out of it and enter back into his body, right, and send him back into the room. Really, really incredible stuff there from Joseph McMonigle on that. 1973 case out of Missouri. And we still don't know what that was, by the way. So let's throw that out there. But as we ponder that story, what Joseph came across,

it's also important for me to note that he ended his retelling of that story by saying he believes what he encountered was something multi-dimensional. So that was his take on this. That was his final perceptions, I guess you could say. You know, this wasn't like your classic, you know, small grays or tall grays or anything of that name. nature that this was, again, multi-dimensional. So that can mean a lot of things.

And gosh, it's intriguing. It really is. Also, too, he said he wouldn't refer to what he experienced as a classic UFO event. So, again, very, very unique event that Joseph McManagal experienced there through his remote viewing session of the 1973 Cube. over Clearwater, Missouri. But man, that was a lot of bread and salad, I must admit. But I hope you're still hungry for the rest,

because we're going to travel through space and time here. To be exact, we're going to Mars, circa 1 million BC. You know, when you go to start a business, here's the great thing with Shopify. Everything you need is right there ready for you from day one. Shopify has step one all set up for you because they have all the tools, the design, everything that you need to launch and even take payments already there for you

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I mean, how can I not talk about that? It's just unbelievable. And if you haven't heard it, then get ready. It's not only for the details of the story, but the implications of those details, if all of this is indeed true. It is mind-bending. It is world-changing. It is universe-changing. Perception-changing.

I'm telling you, there's really nothing like it. So to begin, we have to go back about a million years. Well, not necessarily. Let's instead go back 40 years. to May 22nd, 1984. That is when Joe was woken up very early in the morning and was told that the Army had some questions about a set of coordinates.

So we said, sure, let's go for it, right? I mean, that was his job. But he had no idea what he was getting himself into, what turned out to be maybe the most famous case he ever worked on. The monitor for this session only held a sealed blank envelope in his hand and asked Joe to remote view the set. of coordinates that were inside. So it's highly important to note here that Joe had no idea what was written on the envelope.

So the following details of that session comes straight from a declassified CIA document that was entitled Mars Exploration, dated May 22nd, 1984. Now, unfortunately, I don't have any audio from this session, but I can read to you the exact transcript as the events, unfolded in real time. And you're going to hear the phrase using the information in the envelope I've provided as the monitor speaks to Joe to begin their session. That's what the monitor says. But keep in mind that he did not open this envelope by provided the monitor is referring to the information that he sealed inside the envelope for him. So we're going to do here, and bear with me, I'm going to read this transcript. Okay. I'm going to read this transcript. Okay. I'm because I feel like, and I really went back and forth at this,

I really wanted to present this the right way to you, and I feel like this is the best way to do it without the actual recording of the session, is to go back and forth between the monitor and Joe from this declassified CIA transcript. So we're going to go through that now as kind of in real time, as Joe discovered, Mars, a million. BC. So we'll begin here with this note at the start of the document that reads, The sealed envelope was given to the subject immediately prior to the interview. The envelope was not opened until after the interview. And the envelope was a three by five card with the following

information. The planet Mars, the time of interest, approximately one million years, BC. And the monitor begins as questioning here. All right now, using the information in the envelope I've provided exclusively focusing your attention now, using the information in the envelope, focus on 40.89 degrees north, 9.55 degrees west. Joe says, I want to say it looks like, I don't know, it sort of looks, I kind of got an oblique view of a pyramid or pyramid form. It's very high. It's kind of sitting in a large, depressed area. It's yellowish or okra-colored. Monitor. All right, moving time to the time indicated in the envelope I provided you and describe what's happening. Joe, I'm tracking

severe, severe clouds. More like dust storm. It's, uh, it's, it's geologic. It's a problem. Seems to be like just a minute. I've got to iron this out. It's, it's really weird. I'm looking at an after effect of a major geologic problem. Monitor. Okay, go back to the time before the geologic problem. Joe, total difference. It's before there's no, I don't know, hell, it's like mountains of dirt appear and then disappear when you go before.

See large flat surfaces, very smooth. angles, walls. They're really large, though. I mean, they're megalithic. Monitor, all right? At this period in time, before the geologic activity, look around in and around this area and see if you can find any activity. Joe, I'm seeing, it's like a perception of, like, shadow of people.

Very tall, thin. It's only a shadow. It's as if they were there and they're not. They're not there anymore. Monitor. Go back to a period of time where they are there. Joe. It's like I get a lot of static on a line and everything.

It's breaking up all the time. Very fragmentary pieces. I just keep seeing very large people, thin and tall, but they're very large, wearing some kind of strange clothes. Monitor. All right. holding in this time period. I want to move from your physical

location in space to another physical location, but in this time period move now to 46.45 North 353. 0.22 east. Joe, deep inside of a cavern. No, no, not a cavern, more like

a canyon. Looking up up the sides of a steep wall that seemed to go on forever. And there's like, a structure with it. It's like the wall of the canyon itself has been carved. Again, I'm getting very large structures. No intricacies, huge selections of smooth stone monitor. Do the structures have insides and outsides? Joe, yes, they're very huge. I don't feel like I'm standing in one

it's just really huge. Perception is that the ceiling is very high. The walls are very wide. Monitor. Yes, that would be correct. All right. I'd like to move now to another location nearby. All right, move from this point in this time to 45.86 north, 354.1 east. Joe. They have, it appears to be the end of a very long.

large road. And there's a marker thing that's very large. I keep getting Washington Monument overlay. It's like an obelisk. Monitor. All right. From this point then, let's move to another point.

Moving now to 35.26 north, 213.24 East. Joe. It's like I'm in the middle of a huge circular basin. Very ragged mountains, very tall, basin's very, very, very large. Scale seems to be off or something.

It's just really big. Everything's big. I see just a right angle corner to something, but that's all. I don't see anything else. Monitor. Okay, let's move on then into a little different place. Very close. Move from that point where you are in this time,

to 34.6 north 2.13.09 east. Joe. The cluster of squares up and down. It's like you want to make them square anyway. They're almost flush with the ground and it's like they're connected. Something very white or it reflects light.

The sun looks weird. Monitor. Look back down at the ground now and we're going to move just a little bit from this place, just a little bit from this place. 34.57 North, 212.22 east. Joe, it's like I can just perceive a radiating pattern or some kind. It's like some really strange intersecting kind of roads that are dug into valleys, you know, where like a road is just a little below the edge monitor.

Tell me about this shape. of these things. Joe. They're like real neat channels cut. They're very deep. It's like the road went down. They're intersecting. Whatever these are like aqueduct type things. These rounded bottom carved channels like roadbeds. Monitor. Okay, now move in this time. 80 degrees north, 64 degrees east. Joe, I see pyramids. Monitor, okay? Do these pyramids have insides and outsides? Joe.

Uh-huh. Got both, and they're huge. They're like shelters from storms. Monitor. These structures you're seeing? Joe. Yeah, they're designed for that. Monitor.

All right, go inside one of these and find some activity to tell me about. Joe, different chambers, but they're almost stripped of any. kind of furnishings or anything. It's like a strictly functional place for sleeping. No, that's not a good word. Hibernation, some form. I can't get real raw inputs. Storms, savage storm and sleeping through storms. Monitor. Tell me about the ones who sleep through the storms. Joe. Ah, very tall. Very large people, but they're thin. They look thin because of their height,

and they dress like in hell. It's like a real light silk, but it's not flowing type of clothing. It's like cut to fit. Monitor. Move close to one of them and ask them to tell you about themselves. Joe, they're ancient people. They're past their time or age. They're dying.

Monitor, tell me about this. Joe, they're very philosophical about it. They're looking for a way to survive, and they just can't seem to get their way out. They can't seem to find their way out. So they're hanging on while they look or wait for something to return or something coming with the answer. Monitor, what is it that they're waiting for? Joe, there evidently was a group or a party of them that went to find a new place to live. It's like I'm getting all kinds of overwhelming input of the corruption of their environment.

It's falling very rapidly and this group went somewhere like a long way to find another place to live. Monitor. What was the cause of the atmospheric disturbance or their environment? disturbance. Joe, I get a globe. It's like a globe that goes through a comet's tail or it's through a river or something, but it's all very cosmic. It's like space pictures. Monitor. All right. Now, before you leave this individual, ask him if he knows who you are. And is there any way you can help him in his present situation? Joe, all I I get is that they must just wait.

They don't know who I am. I think he perceives I'm a hallucination or something. Monitor. Okay. When the others left, how did they go? Joe. I get an impression of like a, I don't know what the hell it is.

It looks like the inside of a large boat, very rounded walls and shiny metal. Monitor. Go along with them. Go on their journey and find out where it is. they go. Joe, impression of a really crazy place with volcanoes and gas pockets and strange plants, very volatile place, it's very much like going from the frying pan into the fire. Difference is there seems

to be a lot of vegetation where the other place didn't have any of it. And a different kind of storm. Monitor. All right, it's time to come back now to the sound of my voice and to present time to right now the 22nd of May 1984 the sound of my voice move now back to the room back to the sound of my voice back further now to the sound of my voice on the 22nd of May 1984 end of interview well wow um gosh i don't know like i don't know like almost emotional there for a second that was uh it's heavy i can almost i can feel the emotion of Joe reading through that. And I don't know, maybe, hopefully that came across to you listening to it because it seemed

very real to me. I can almost put myself in his shoes going through that as he's trying to struggle and figure out what it is he's seeing because he didn't know what he was doing. He didn't know what was written on the envelope. He's just doing a job. He's, he's having that remote view of the coordinates that they're giving him and going back just incredible stuff. But let me say first also thanks for sticking through that with me.

I hope it didn't get boring or repetitive. It just felt it would be more impactful if you heard the whole thing how it happened. Second, there's a lot to impact there. So let's kind of go through this. First, let's start with the fact that again, this stuff was and is the real deal. The government and military used and still uses assets like this. I don't care what they say. of course they still do this.

If it works, they're not going to stop doing it. Because there are people like Joseph McMonigal who can do things and get answers that other people simply cannot. And I want to go back to a few things he said during that reading because he has elaborated on this actually, on this occurrence. He's talked about it a few times since it happened 40 years ago. The moment where he's talking about these tall figures, he has since said that these entities looked like us. And he even said, you heard in the transcript where he said the word people, very tall people. He said they looked human, only very thin and about 10 feet tall. So we're talking about the possibility of humans or human-like, you know, beings, being alive a million years ago on Mars.

That's what we're talking about here. And we're talking about very tall, very thin. He says about 10 feet tall. So maybe they were that tall. Again, this is just my speculation. This is just my opinion. Maybe they're that tall if this is all really the case because of how gravity works on Mars, right? They became elongated.

Do you remember when Scott Kelly, the Kelly brothers, the astronauts, when one of them stayed in space and the other came back down the earth and the other stayed in space for a while? I think it was over a year because they wanted to do an experiment to see. if he would come back and be taller than his twin brother. And he was because he was in space for so long, the spine starts to, you know, loosen and you become elongated a little bit. Almost like the compression action of laying on a bed versus getting off the bed, right?

The bed comes up when you're on and it lays down. Your body creates that pressure. Well, gravity is that pressure on our bodies. So if you're on Mars where there's less gravity, the body can rise. So that's just, I guess that's my own theory there. If these are some type of human beings a million years ago on Mars, that could be why they're so tall because of the gravity or lack thereof.

And he mentioned also seeing massive pyramids and obelisks. Now, was this a pre-ancient human race that developed on Mars before coming to Earth? Now, this of course, has been a theory for a while, but when you hear of something like this and you hear him describe things like obelisks and pyramids or structures resembling those anyway. You can't help but to wonder if all the theories about civilization starting elsewhere before coming here and bringing their architecture and their technology with them may have more merit than some originally thought.

And if you think back even too to some of the comments from Buzz Aldrin, where he has said before, and I think I've even had it on an episode where I talked about astronauts and their experiences in space. Buzz Aldrin has said that there are obelisks on Mars, and people are going to freak out when they realize that. Buzz Aldrin said that. So interestingly enough, McMonagall recently spoke about how after this session took place,

he went over to Jet Propulsion Labs. So put yourself back in 1984. He knows that there were some representatives from Jet Propulsion Labs who were involved with this reading. So he thought, okay, what the hell? heck did I just go through? And again, he didn't know until after the reading when he finally asked, what was I looking at? And then they told him, go ahead and open the envelope, and he sees Mars 1 million BC. And of course, he freaks out because he's thinking to himself, what did I

just see? Like, was that, was that real? Was I hallucinating? And what I really just see Mars a million years? And that's what was on Mars a million years ago. So he decided to go to jet propulsion labs, which was nearby, and he wanted to ask them basically for the negatives of the space pictures that had been taken of Mars. He knew that they had those. He wanted to see if he could use the coordinates he was given to corroborate his own viewing,

what he saw during his own session. And sure enough, he says he was able to use those photographs, which are readily available online, by the way. You can look them up. And he said that they showed everything he was talking about the giant square is flushed to the ground that he mentioned he was talking about they ended up being what he says ruins of a type of a city square on mars according to his research the giant hole he was standing he said that that big depression i think he called it that was it turned out

to be a massive crater that he was able to measure using the shadows in the picture he measured that crater to be three thousand feet high the walls of the crater would be three thousand feet high when standing inside of it. So you heard him talking about in that transcript that, you know, we read through where he says it's very high. Everything's very big. That would be why. So we can assume that, again, this is just my interpretation of this. Maybe you have a different interpretation, but we assume that the geological strife he had seen a million years ago was maybe some type of meteor impact, right? I mean, he talks about some type of geological thing going on, a storm or a dust storm. Now, he did mention that comet as well, right? He said

there's something, some type of space pictures, a comet or a river, and how the pyramids were built for shelters. So it could absolutely make sense. Everything he's talking about kind of lines up with the pictures that he found at the jet propulsion labs. The huge pyramid structure he saw next to the crater, by the way, he later estimated again using the same type of mathematical equations looking at the shadows of the picture in the positioning of the sun, he was able to estimate that the pyramid structure next to the crater, which was built after the crater, according to his own views, would be around 15,000 feet high, 15,000 feet would be the height of this pyramid he was seen. Of course, there is the famous picture of the

face of Mars, we all remember that one. Well, it's safe to assume, I guess, in my opinion, that might have indeed been intelligently made, right? Not just some natural formation that looks like a face due to shadowing. Is this a true account of intergalactic history that McManagal saw? If that's the case, it simply changes everything. And really, it's a lot to take into consideration. As fascinating as it is, and I can talk about this all day, I'm absolutely exhausted. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to make the call here and say that we're pretty full right now. It's like when the waiter or waitress comes over and says, did you save room for dessert? My answer is no right now because after that second course, I feel like we need a little bit of a breather before dessert.

So that said, I'm going to come back with the finale of the tales of Joe McMonagull. on a part two edition of this because I think we need to kind of digest this one a little bit more first. But man, what an absolute adventure this has been. This has been one of the more significant and meaningful episodes that I've researched, that I've written that I have come on here to talk to you about and related to you. I can't wait to come back with part two of this. And I'm stoked. I got to tell you, like, I really want to be able to talk to Joseph McMonagel myself. I'm going to try my best to do that. I also would love to talk not only to him

but to other remote viewers out there as well who have gone through this because it's important to mention that Joe is not the only person that has done remote viewing for the military or the U.S. government. This was done with a lot of people over the past decades.

And my theory is that it continues to go on. And of course, casual remote viewers who do it on their own time. So I would be happy to have interviews with not one but many people who have experiences like this as we go through the course of UAP, not only just this series I'm covering with remote viewers and their experiences, but down the road as well.

But that will do it for this edition of UAP. My goodness, thank you so much for going through this with me. I really hope you've enjoyed this and found it as fascinating as I have. So much more to come. Obviously, like I said, we're going to do a part two to this. And I did mention on Twitter. I put a post out there that at the end of April, we're going to have a surprise guest.

So stay tuned for that. It's not Joseph, you know, it's not Joe McMonagall. I will say that. I know that's probably the most obvious thing. But it is a name that you will know and recognize. So I'm very much looking forward to having him back on the show. Maybe that's a little hint for you. Also, don't forget to download and subscribe to the show.

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