UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: Michael Herrera - The Interview that Started it All

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

In this look back on what became one of the most explosive episodes in UAP history, famous whistleblower, Michael Herrera, shared first hand information that he says he obtained concerning how the US government is conducting their black site and reverse engineering operations. Hearing this back now really helps to connect the dots on a lot of things we have learned recently...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So this is from two years ago, actually. And it's a really, I guess you can even say poignant look back as well when it comes to what he said in this interview. This is the last time I spoke with Mike on air anyway. We've spoken privately since then. But I wanted to put this back out because so much has happened in the past two years to be able to look back on this and connect the dots. There's two main reasons why I'd like to put out the greatest hits episode. One is so I can resurface some of the things that I worked really hard on and really enjoyed working on and make sure they're not forgotten. So let's, you know, I really enjoyed it.

Let me put it back out there and we can enjoy it again. Look back on it. Remember some of the stories. But the other reason is, is so we can connect the dots to things that we didn't know before when it first was made or first aired. And that's what this one is. is here today. We're going to be able to connect some dots two years later, looking back on this, listening back on this. And we're going to hear some things where you're going to say to yourself, oh, wow, that actually connects to this now.

Specifically, where Michael is talking about in his stories here, when he's taken to this black site, we didn't know two years ago that he was talking about Jake Barber. We didn't know that until about six months ago. So that's just one example here. as he goes into these stories, because during this interview, if you forgot it or if you never heard it, this is still one for me personally that sticks out in my mind of all of the interviews that I've done. I mean, I don't know, probably close to the hundreds of interviews that I've done over the past four and a half, almost five years of doing UAP.

This is one that sticks out of my mind that I continue to look back on and just think about it at random times. Like, wow, you know what? I forgot about that part there. And this is actually an interview that I referenced multiple times throughout different episodes of UAP over the past couple of years where I talk about Michael Herrera, especially in connection now, most recently with whistleblowers and witnesses who have come out like Dylan Borland, like Jeff Nusatelli, like Chief Alexandra Wiggins. And by the way, let me just say this as a side note. I want to apologize to Dylan Borland. Inexplicably, I don't know why I was calling him Tyler Borland in a previous episode with Anthony. Williams. I don't know where the name Tyler Borland came from. I have no idea why I was saying

that. But a couple of you reached out to me and pointed that out. And I was like, yeah, you're right. Why was I saying that? So Dylan Borland, I apologize. I don't know why I was saying Tyler. Really strange slip. I don't understand that. But anyway, Dylan Borland, Jeff Neusatelli, Alexandra Wiggins, with those testimonies in mind and all the things that have happened in the past couple of years since I recorded this interview with Mike Herrera, I think it's a really important time to look back on this and connect the dots of everything that and that we've learned since then to make this make more sense now. So that's why I wanted to re-release this one here. And it goes into a lot of heavy stuff about what Mike saw when he was taken to the black sites with Jake Barber,

who took him there. Again, not named during the episode. He was unnamed at this point. But all the things that he saw, all the things that he experienced, how, you know, and different points how he felt threatened throughout his process of learning different secrets about what's been going on behind the scenes. So this was controversial two years ago. It's still controversial now. And again, if you never heard it or if you forgot a lot of things in here, it's important to get the context because I really do believe it connects to a lot of the discussions

that take place today. And just a really quick background for anybody who's unfamiliar or might have forgotten who Mike Herrera is. He was someone who came out as a whistleblower during Dr. Stephen Greer's Disclosure Conference in June of 2023 in Washington, D.C. And he told his story about actually kind of similar to Roderick Castle, who I had here on the show recently, about, you know, being held at gunpoint while this black triangle flew overhead. Roderick Castle's incident happened here in the United States and the deserts while Mike Carrera's happened overseas. And another thing that's happened over the past couple of years since this interview was

originally done is that Roderick Castle and Mike Carrera have become friends sharing similar stories. For Mike though, it went a little bit deeper because of what he saw where he thought he was being witness to some type of trafficking operation, meaning drug trafficking, but then said he came to find out that it was more towards human trafficking and that these people were being taken to these different black sites to be used in different psionic experiments. And that's where a lot of this went a little bit on the darker side and the controversial side during this interview a couple of years ago. So a lot of what Michael alleges here has been really picked apart over the past couple of years, but again, felt really important to bring back up, especially, like I said,

considering everything that's taken place. We've learned more names. We've learned more stories in the past couple of years. And this is a great time to be able to really kind of connect the dots with everything. And here are some new things. We've heard, maybe heard it before, but maybe we're going to hear something different for the first time. That's going to make more sense now. So I really felt like this presented a great opportunity for perspective given the current day. So with that said, here is my interview now, originally done almost two years ago to the date. October 20th, 2023, myself and Michael Herrera.

Really listen to this one and see if you can hear something new. Enjoy. Welcome into this special edition of UAP. I am Stephen Deiner here with you on the Unidentified Alien podcast on this, uh, what I think is going to be a very interesting episode for a lot of you. On Tuesday, I spoke with Michael Herrera, and we covered a lot of ground. And I'm going to play that interview here for you today.

And it's up to you what you think. I'm just going to, I want to preface it real quick before I jump into it because I really don't want to spend too much time kind of talking your ear off before the interview. I want to devote this to what you're going to hear in the interview because it's about an hour long. But it's worth it. Trust me. It's, my gosh, isn't worth it. But just to preface it real quick, it's shocking. Some of the things you're going to hear, you may not like what you're hearing. You may not agree with what you're hearing. You may find it terrifying. You may find it's intriguing and interesting. And oh my gosh, I want to hear more about what's going on. So it's completely up to you. Like I always say all the time on here, totally up to your opinion of what you have on as far as what Michael is saying here in this interview. But I mean, as you. Everybody knows Michael Herrera these days. You know, very famous whistleblower in this field.

News came out a couple weeks ago that he and David Grush are in contact with each other. You know, they exchange messages, meetings, things like that. They are working together in some, you know, aspects, fashion, and form. And he touches on that. And you hear us kind of go back and forth in that because that was something I was told in confidence that they were meeting a few months ago. So now that is out in the open. But just to kind of put credence to what he's saying, I guess, is why I mentioned that.

But again, a lot in this interview. So I'm going to go ahead and jump into it. Here is myself and Michael Herrera talking about his experiences investigating, you know, all these so-called, you know, black op sites and how they run what the operation is like, how they do the reverse engineering and all these different things. This is a firsthand account from Michael Herrera. This is, these are recent events as well. of what he describes here. So take it away.

Michael Herrera, who is joining me here today on UAP Weekly. It's a pleasure to have him on again. Mike was on the show a few months ago, and we've been in contact since then, you know, keeping up with each other. A lot is going on behind the scenes, a lot, actually. So we have a lot to catch up on. Michael Herrera, thank you for coming back on here today on UAP.

Hey, thanks for having me on. You know, it's been, I mean, realistically speaking, I didn't think that this was going to ever be as big as it's going, at least behind the scenes. There's things I can't really talk about, but just rest assured that there's some very important people who are behind what we are doing and trying to get to the bottom of this.

And we've got some legislation that's going to pass through. At least that's the intention of it. So it depends on who the new house of the speaker is, if they can initiate this panel of people to have subpoena power, because then we can call the people that we know that have access to the stuff that are lying about it. and have them testify in front of Congress and the Senate and you name it. So very exciting times. Yeah.

That is the goal. And for anybody who's not up with what Michael Rivera has been doing it, what we talked about in the past, it's all about disclosure. You know, you've been through a lot, Mike, and we won't have to, we don't have to rehash all the stuff that we've spoken about already with your own experiences. You can, if you haven't heard,

you can go back and listen to our first interview together about, you know, some of Mike's experiences. This is kind of the updated stuff. But you're still working a lot, like you said, said on disclosure and so a lot of the stuff behind the scenes with Congress and things like that. So, you know, where are we now when it comes to all that? Well, as you guys may not be aware, but Schumer actually put a resolution, at least he's trying to put a bill through the house that allows everything to be claimed under eminent domain.

It has anything to do with non-human intelligence. So that's the, that's the word that the government uses, right? at least the acronym, non-human intelligence or NIH. And what that does is basically any materials associated with that that are foreign exotic materials, stuff that is not supervised by Congress, the Senate, or as public knowledge, at least to them, what this does allow that to be taken in control from the government. And then basically they have to point people to do that,

have agencies that actually oversee that kind of stuff. So what people are not understanding is there's a lot of after the fact questions that still need to be answered and actually thought through. Everybody's like, okay, we can get the stuff. We can try to, you know, sequester whatever it is through the legal means of court systems and through Congress and the Senate. But everybody's asking what do we do after that. And that's what basically the drawing board is. So everybody on Capitol Hill is also thinking that, but there are also people who may not know that this is actually going on. So now they're either being read into it.

And of course, you've got the disinformation tactics. You know, you also have mainstream media doesn't cover it as much anymore because it's all about what's going on in the Middle East. So there's a lot, it feels like there's a lot of stuff that's being swept under the rug right now. But that's why people like me and some associates of mine, that's what we keep hammering this every single day, getting in touch with people in DC and just say, hey, I mean, what's the plan? You know, what we got to do keep going. Yeah, and it's funny you say that because, you know, obviously, you know,

world events, interest shift, focuses shift. And a lot of the focus before some world events that have taken place was on the disclosure discussion, right? With David Grush and with, you know, Ryan Graves and Fravor who are all in front of the congressional panel in front of the world under oath. And that was a really big deal. That was something that, you know, the world kind of latched on to. And then also with the Mexican here, you know, you have like Robert Salas and, you know,

the likes of people of Roney Vernet was down there. So a lot of people were down in Mexico when they revealed the, you know, Ruby and alien mummies, so to speak, that, you know, they're still being investigated in things of that nature. So the disclosure discussion really was heating up. And it seems like it's kind of simmering now. Does it feel like that way to you, Mike, has it kind of gone down to like a boil to a simmer in the world's view anyway?

Well, I mean, they're in looking at putting myself in the situation of, like some government officials that I know. They're dealing with a lot. They got a lot under play. I understand that there's things are gonna be more dramatic. There's gonna be more time sensitive issues compared to this subject. One, I think they understand that they're gonna be

on a little bit of a wild goose chase if they try to initiate themselves, but that's why people like associates of mine, for example, who may have been in these facilities or who understand that time is really a luxury that all of us don't have when it comes to disclosure, because there's a lot of forces at play here who are trying to sweep that under the rug. So this whole thing, I'm trying to juggle all this stuff together.

Yeah, I get it. In their shoes, they're probably losing their minds up on Capitol Hill because of all this stuff going on. You've got the elections come up. You have everything on the political world going on. Then you have disclosure. Then you have possible war. Everybody's worried about everything else, which is understandable. So as long as we keep the focus and keep putting that pressure on and keep hammering

these guys, you know, we got some good people on our team that are putting everything through with that. You know, people I don't even know personally, but I know of, they're also putting their way in D.C. to say, hey, you know, this is what we advise, this is what we should do. This is what you guys should do and more as an advisor role. So I think if we keep that grip and that firm hold on them, they can accommodate everything else. But the problem is, is these people who are running these illegal and unconstitutional programs, time is their friend because they already have an 80-year head start on these guys, right? So they're already doing the illegal stuff. That's how they make money. They're not going to sit here and sell it to, you know, Joe Q public, for example,

to have zero point energy devices to power up his home and his car and not have to pay for fuel ever again. They don't care about that. They make more money off of the fact of what they're doing already illegally. So this is where I'm going to caveat into what I've been learning from, from my contacts in this deep black organization that I witnessed in 2009. All right. When I came forward with my testimony, I had hypothesized it was drugs that were in those containers because I had an HVAC system on the top. Well, what ended up happening was, it was not drugs because I was correct and I was told I was wrong about that. I was told I was wrong by people who work in that system who do those operations may have been a part of them at certain points, especially in 2004,

a couple of these guys have been forward with that. So what they had explained to me was it's not human trafficking. The thing that made me feel good about this was I actually, you know, a lot of us in this movement here, and we ruffled their feathers up kind of comparing them to what, you know, these Hollywood elitists might be doing. You know, you hear that talk about adrenachrome organ harvesting, you know, sex trafficking and all that kind of stuff. So they actually don't want to be compared to that.

So it kind of made me feel good that they actually kind of bothered them a little bit. So it made me understand that there's a lot of good people in these organizations that have been misled through the years because some of these guys have been in since the 90s, at least these deep black organizations. You know, so they have a hell of a screening process. I'm not going to get into that because I don't want this to narrow down who may be helping me release this information publicly as well as coordinating with the government on the back end because needless to say, I beat them to the punch.

When I came out, they got wind of it. They got a hold of me through Dr. Greer and basically told Dr. Greer, hey, can you give Mike our information? We want to tell him what he witnessed, what the purpose is for, and actually meet face to face and build rapport and ultimately disclose what they need. Because these guys want to get out of this organization. They have families. They've got wives, you know, children, stuff that matters to them more than having to play ball

for an illegal and unconstitutional organization. And this organization is global, right? So the program that I'm going to talk about specifically, and mind you, I am learning about this as much as the audience here is, as much as you are, Stephen. So there's a lot of stuff that I don't know because the fact that I'm not one-on-one with these programs. I'm not face-to-face with what's going on.

I do, however, and all I'm going to say is this, I have an opportunity soon to witness some of these programs. from these insiders at some point. I'm not going to get specifics with that, but the purpose of that is they want me to witness and see this firsthand so I can make up my mind and actually understand it instead of having to take their word for it.

So these guys are helping. No, I'm sorry. I was going to say, so you've actually been in contact with some of these, I guess we can call them insiders who are working at these black sites who were involved with some of these,

you know, underground operations of, Is it human trafficking? Is it reverse engineering, technology? Is it both? Reverse engineering is definitely a big part of it, all right? Because what people don't understand is that people like these insiders of this black team, which these black team operators are screened from different various parts of the government as well as military, right?

They have ultimate screening processes to see what somebody's cognitive abilities are, reaction times, their stress levels, things like that. What would make them perfect for this role? But there's another caveat to that. The other caveat is the fact that they screen these people for their personality. Now, if you're able to go along with the plan as far as being corrupt, basically evil people, and you have your psychopathic or sociopathic, that's what they used to recruit these people to do this illegal and unconstitutional stuff. The beautiful part about that is that there's more good guys than there are those people, right?

So that's why the good guys want this to come out. That's why they're whistleblowers. They don't want to come forward because they've seen what, you know, the backlash that Dave Grush has been getting, favor among the other ones, including myself for the matter. Right. So they don't want to come out to public. Like they don't care about that. But what they want is this to come out.

And since what I witnessed was directly what they were doing, that's why they figured, okay, I could be the voice of these guys, bring all this to the surface. I've already talked to many government officials about this. this so they actually know about this. Ross Coldheart is another person I've talked to who actually knows about this, knows some stuff going on in the back end with this. The program that I witnessed what they were doing, they screen certain people with certain abilities and they call them psionics. The screening process that they have is called psionic predisposition potential or what they do up P3. Okay, that's what this program does. It screens these these programs. It screens these

person, these people from a genetic level that have quote unquote psychic abilities. All right. So let's say if you have an elevated consciousness, you're from third world countries, you're not indoctrinated, you're not raised by television or cell phone, so to speak. So consciously you're going to be on our debt because you're not broken down by technology. Right. So these people have that understanding. So when you're taking people from third world countries that have high spiritual, you know, morality, all that kind of stuff, and you put them into these programs, one, you're giving them a lifestyle. They're not used to because they have everything provided for them, living in these facilities, having medical care provided for them,

having everything that they possibly could need, all right? Everything taken care of, right? So if they're going back to an area in the world where it might be war-torn, there may be some rebels in area that may, you know, murder their families. I mean, this is real stuff that they deal with on a daily basis of, you know, maybe some of them don't even have clean water, let alone don't even have a pot to boil water in per se. So you take them in from that environment, put them into this. Now, the caveat to that is because these black team operators cannot access this advanced technology by themselves, they use these people to do that. So essentially, think about option A here is like a black team member.

B is a psionic person or a P3 asset, as they call them. And C is going to be the advanced tech or ET technology. So what happens is the black team has a machine that they hook to the silent person, that cyanic person then hooks up to the advanced tech or ET tech, and person A can control the ET tech through that sonic person. That also tells them how they can reverse engineer and make different technologies, such as weapon systems, propulsion systems, vehicles, medical applications even, even stuff for breeding programs, which is what they've been doing for the last 60 years.

Okay. So this stuff is very well in depth. Everybody's stuck on the aspect of UFOs or having these reverse engineer craft. That's only a small percentage of what they actually do. The stuff that in quote unquote from what they have told me was that that's boring to them. Transportation is boring. They have other stuff that's more miraculous and more spectacular than stuff that flies. Okay.

So I had told you, I've told other people about the meeting I was going to have with this insider. Right. All right. And I'm very hesitant about this. Now, mind you, my interaction at that time with these people before was being held at a gunpoint, possibly potentially could have been killed. Right. So I'm not necessarily like, oh, for all, okay, I'm going to go meet these people and just say that. I was scared.

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And just for context real quick, Mike, this was, I guess, a couple months ago. And I haven't spoken about this to anybody until right now, but it seems like we're going to talk about it where you had this meeting. and you reached out to me directly, you know, through different channels and everything and said, hey, look, here's what's happening. I'm going to have this meeting, black sites, this insider wants to talk to me. They're going to tell me some things. They're going to show me some things. I want you to know in case something happens.

And this was, you know, a couple months ago or so, two or three months ago. And I've held that in. I haven't put that out on social media. I haven't spoken to anyone about it even. really in my family. So this is new to everyone right now that you had this meeting and I'm excited to talk about it with you because honestly, I ever since you told me that you were going to have it, I haven't really heard the details on it because I knew how sensitive it was. Right.

And that, you know, that's intentional, of course, because there's a lot of forces at play here. This is very dangerous stuff. You know, it's scary. I can't, I would be lying to you, say, if I, if I, if I, wasn't freaked out because there's a lot of stuff that I worry about with this. I worry about my family. I worry about my wife. I worry about my dad.

I worry about everybody involved with this. There's a guy behind the scenes that I've been relaying information to it to and he got a hold of me personally because he wanted some context, at least to investigate as more of a person, you know, who has a broad attention to detail in a lot of things, which is remarkable. His Reddit handle is Joey is not my name. I'm not going to say this guy's identity or his name. because I don't need this guy being blasted or being put into the treatment that Grush is getting

myself, among other people who keep hammering into this. So this guy, I'm thankful for him at least being an ally and getting information out there. I've read some of the posts on Reddit that he's done about what I've disclosed to him that I wanted him to release. And, you know, he knows what it's like to be in my shoes because the fact that there's people who disbelieve what even he says, which is understandable because. because I don't expect somebody that goes to work for eight to 10 hours a day, goes home, watches television, and goes to bed.

If you're not in, if you're not doing things outside of that, you're not going to put yourself in that environment to do that. I would have never done, been able to partake in anything when I'm learning now. If I didn't step forward and actually speak about what had happened to us. So now that I had this, this guy, you know, I got in touch with this guy through Dr. Greer. He gave me his phone number and he said, hey, go ahead and reach out to this. guy, he wants to talk to you. He's a very high up insider in these organizations. So I'm like, okay, I sat on it for about a day thinking about it. And like I said, I was freaked out

because the last, the last kind of involvement I had with this was literally getting held at gunpoint. Right. That's not enjoyable. So I had a thousand different thoughts going to my head. What if these guys are going to take me out somewhere and kill me? What if they're going to know who I am to use my family to whatever it is against me. You know, that's the last thing I need right now, and that's the last thing I want. I understand that there's going to be risks because of what we're doing.

But needless to say, I was really nervous to the point to where, when I went to this meeting, I'm not going to say where it was. I'm not going to say specifics of who is there, whatever it is, because everybody needs to be protected on this, because these guys have a lot to lose, too, just like myself.

So they have provided me a sidearm. the guy asked me before actually talking to him was that what do you prefer a 1911 or a Glock what do you like I'm like well you know I like Glock they're reliable they're kind of like the Honda Civic of pistols these days you know everybody's got them so he hands out a he pulls out a Glock clears it hands it to me with the slide rack back and I he says go ahead and load it and chamber around so that's what I did and he says go ahead and keep it on you you can put on your hip, so I kept it right on my lap, and nobody else was armed. It was just me. And he did that because he understand that going through what we went through and having these guys who are

part of this start wanting to tell me things and try to read me up on what the truth of all this is, I felt good that they trusted me to be armed because I said a lot about these guys. Because I was fucking scared. You know, I was nervous. I was, I was, I was, I, I, I, I, you know, and after, you know, we went on a helicopter ride to the installation, to this black site, and it was, it was remarkable. It was a, that day was a life-changing day for me. I was still nervous of the fact because literally after I had been exposed to what now I know and seeing things that nobody else ever gets to see or partake in or even know about, I couldn't sleep for a week.

I was nervous, dude. I'm like chewing on my fingernails because, you know, at that time, I was just like, you know, like I, my anxiety, I don't really have it that much because I know how to manage it. I go to the gym. I do, you know, I did bodybuilding for years. So, you know, that's my outlet for things like that. But it's like the real, the fact that it's like, oh, my God, like this is real. Like, there's people, this is a normal day of work to them. But here's somebody like me who's never been exposed to this.

I've only seen partial of that. because of what I witnessed in 2009. But now all of a sudden, I'm being read into this. Now all of a sudden, my life shifts, this direction of, okay, I'm the only one outside of this group who knows about this. So the question I had for myself was, well, who the hell is going to take this series? Because there's realistically, there's evidence of this stuff, which will be provided soon. It just has to be at the right time and at the right place because of things that are going on in the background of things. that there's even things I don't know in that nature.

So having resources and having people such as yourself, such as the guy, Joey's not my name on Reddit, which has been very helpful. He was the one who went on his own and actually went through the details to find out things without my knowledge, of course. And he was able to understand that, yes, this meeting took place. Yes, we did fly to a black site that he knows about. And he's not he knows he knows the seriousness of this as well. So he's very cautious about it and I'm thankful for that. But going from the press club event in DC, which you were there, doing Dr. Greer's event, go on a show, mine show, doing a fade to black, doing all these other shows such as yourself.

And all of a sudden getting fed this information through these people of explaining why this process is and what the what the purpose is for. this P3 screening program, by the way, and this makes me feel better, is these people are not taken against their will. They're not held at gunpoint. They're not forced into doing any of this. They don't have to partake in it if they don't want to. That's their choice. The reason being is because at a conscious level, if they're happy and they're feeling good and everything's provided for them, they're going to feel great. If they feel great, consciously, they're going to be higher.

The only thing that bothers me about this to an extent because I understand what their process is now that I've been read into it, it's almost like the United States looking for a cheaper labor source outside of like in Mexico, for example, right, to have factories out there to build materials and then importing imported back to the United States, right? Cheaper labor costs. We do the same thing with heavy equipment in China, right? As opposed to having the overhead here to do all the manufacturing, we just do stuff over in China that they build everything tested out for us. Send it here. We do the final assembly. You name it. So these guys do the same thing, but with these P3 assets. So they actually have them on serotonin and a bunch of uppers because it even boosts their consciousness even higher. Now, in this world, too much of a thing is not good. Excessive amounts are not good.

When it comes to the endocrine system with this kind of stuff, as well as what it does to the human body, because these people are still human, they're just very gifted. people in the consciousness degree, they succumb to that and they pass away. The machines that they hook them up to sometimes, best case, and this was earlier on while they're still ironing this stuff out, was they'd hook a P3 asset to a machine. Best thing would happen that they go in a coma. Worst thing is they pass away. So they've refined this over the years to try to perfect this because here's the thing. If you have assets right there that are keep, you know, they're helping you.

you access this technology, you guys use it for your own purposes. Well, if people keep dying off of this process, you're going to have to keep going out in the world and taking people. So if you can figure out a way how to refine that source and keep these people alive to and they willingly want to do this, the way that he described this to me, at least one of the contacts was that it's almost like somebody in hospice dying of cancer. So when you're flooding them with drugs that make them feel good.

good, they, they don't, they feel great. They don't feel like they're dying, but up here they know they're dying, right? It's kind of the same concept. So these people still willingly go through these measures. Now, it's only these P3 assets. It's not just that. If people do not have that kind of characteristics or that genetic makeup, if you will, to participate in that, they have them do other things.

There's a breeding program I was read in and about, which, um, it's equating to almost like a racehorse. where it takes 1,000 horses to breed one specific horse that has this ability, right? That's maybe faster, stronger, maybe, you know, the perfect horse per se. They do this with a sense of people for generations. Because everybody asks, okay, well, who's scrubbing the toilets? Who's cooking the food? Who's maintaining the facilities? Well, it's people in these programs that don't have any social security numbers,

people who are bred, but also people take them with these assets, or at least the BP3 assets that may not work for them. And those are the ones because a lot of people ask, including myself, I have this question. Why does any of the janitors come out and talk about these facilities? Right. Well, because if they expose what's going on, they're not a part of the system room. They don't get that lifestyle. Now, they have to go back home because they don't have Social Security numbers.

They're technically illegal aliens at that point. You know what I mean? So there's a lot of stuff at play here on the back and I did not think about until these people actually started. You know, they give me little by little so I understand what, you know, segments at a time, instead of just doing like a bucket mouth thing and throwing everything at me, they give me little by little so I can literally chew it and understand what the process is, understand what it's for, and really sit and think about it. And then they continue to add more to build this big picture.

So there's a lot more coming down the pipe, especially in the next year or so. there's going to be some things that I'm going to witness, like I said, that are going to provide me answers to questions I have, but in a first person perspective, as opposed to having to take their word for it. So, yeah, and these are, look, these are incredible claims, Mike. You know, I'm sure there are people who are hearing this for the first time. I'm hearing it for the first time, quite frankly. I was waiting to talk to you specifically in this interview just so I could have kind of like a real-time reaction. We didn't speak before this about some of the things that you were privy to were witnessed. And it's eye-opening.

It's, you know, these kind of these revelations of, I guess, to see if I can piece this together. So essentially, this goes back to 2009 when you were first, you know, made privy to the situation of people being taken by humans using reverse engineered, you know, ET technology. And that's what you saw. You held a gunpoint and everything. and that was part of your disclosure story. And then you come to find out through contacts and through insiders who've taken you now to these black sites, or to at least one individual black site, that this is not a human trafficking operation, that this is basically a recruitment process where they're taking people from around the world

who are, you know, sensitive to different abilities that they could use to operate, alien technology in order to further understand how it's used and how to reverse engineer it. And how long has it been going on? From my knowledge, it's been going on ever since this black team was created in 1947 during the National Security Act. So, you know, Roswell, obviously, everybody knows about that. Everybody knows that there was three craft that went down that day that were targeted, and they were targeted by very advanced weapon systems, right? The earliest indication or indication that ET presence was on planet Earth was laying in the late 1800s is when this started getting knowledge to the government and among other sources.

But this black team or this black organization was not created until 1947. Their specific purpose was this issue on this UFO retrievals, right? So you have people like David Grush who came forward exposing things that he knows people participated in or had access to. which is a United States government crash retrieval program, right? But then you have the black teams. So government or blue team is what they refer to government as. So blue team has their own stuff, but black team has this edge on them

because they have much more perfected systems compared to what the government has. These guys are really the most powerful organization on this entire planet because of the technologies that they have. Their technologies can do circles over an F-22 and F-35, a B-21 Raider, or B2 spirit, right?

Those are all obsolete into what these guys have. All right. This black side I went to in particular, they shoot down two to three ET craft a year. Shoot it down. And they shoot them down with advanced EMP systems, right? So they surface these EMP weapons and they target these craft when they materialize. Now, here's the thing. I found out through these insiders how they make this happen.

they take a P3 asset to make contact and literally summon ET craft. So when that happens, then they target it with these weapon systems and they shoot them down. And they go and do the crash retrieval operation and bring it to that facility. What happens to the alien bodies in that case? They, if they're alive, they're captive. I don't know specifically on that, but I was told that there has been extraterrestrial occupants that these people have seen, not firsthand, but they've seen the actual craft, right, when they went to go retrieve this. So this other part of the organization, they're also doing this aspect of the bodies.

What I was told is that they incinerate some of the bodies. I think if they're alive, they may do other things, but I'm not sure on that. But I know for a fact that they incinerate the dead bodies of, you know, non-human intelligence, which it doesn't feel good to hear that because that's pretty much murder. You know what I mean? There's laws that protect human on human violence, right? Innocent people dying from murder. But there's nothing that protects non-human intelligence, right? But it's still the same concept.

You still have innocent life as being lost in this process. You know, and this bothers these guys because this is what they do on a regular basis. Now, what people need to understand is this black site is one of many. All right. So because it's one of many, there's other black sites throughout the world who are doing the same thing. So you have two to each, you know, at the span of 60 plus years or even since the 80s for that matter, because a lot of these bases were being built around that time frame. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Lennon, and Kylie.

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embell that literally embezzle funds out of the black budget of the United States government right so these guys have perfected this system since 1947 to understand how they can get away with this what I was told is to think of this organization like a nebulous cancer they are like a secret society in ways because they have their fingers and toes and pretty much everything when it comes to media comes to the military government, entertainment business for that matter, local law enforcement agencies, federal agencies, they have their hands in every single thing you can think of. And that purpose is literally to keep up with what they're doing. So understanding that there's also people who have been misled ever since they've been in these

programs to think that what they're doing is for the betterment of this country when it isn't. Now they're getting wind of that because people, like me people who are spreading the word on the illegal secrecy of this now all of a sudden they're changing their minds and say we don't want to be a part of this anymore because majority of these people serve the military right they're very good people but now they realize they've been played and misled so if they come forward they risk their lives they'll risk their families but on a much more seriousness compared to what i've been doing i've had some crazy things happen i haven't had in a little bit but you know I I end up having to move.

Wow. And I'm not telling me everybody where I moved because I had to move because it started getting it started getting really weird. I started having help I mean helicopters have been really harassing us. My family, my uncle, my dad, anybody I've talked to on a close basis on my family. They know where everybody lives. You know, and I've these contacts I've showed them like, hey, you know, like they know who's doing it.

There is government officials that are having the same thing happen. them and thankfully the contacts I have in this organization are also helping them out. So prior to that meeting, I, like I told you that I was having this meeting, the guy Joey, not, Joey's not my name who got in touch with you as well. I believe it was yesterday. Yep, we spoke. That's right. Okay.

So he, you know, he kind of told you more on an in-depth basis on what I was dealing with. Right. at least on the logistical side of things, right? So when I left a paper trail, I left one of the government officials that he oversees the entire black budget of the government. Like that's like he's, he'd be equivalent to a two or three star general if he was in the Pentagon. And I left a paper trail to him and, um, my contact didn't have sending me a transcript of their conversation they have. And they talked about a lot of crazy stuff, right? But one of the things that made me feel good was like, okay, the person I'm talking to also is talking to everybody that I'm talking to.

But he's coming forward because of what I saw. But now he wants to explain like why they were doing it, but now get the government involved because, you know, I understand how people think, especially hearing the story that I, that I told in D.C., my testimony, all that kind of stuff. I get it. I get there's a lot of people who are open-minded and say, okay, it's me. makes sense, but coming from a third-party perspective, I understand how crazy it sounds. And that's always the thing that, you know, I've dealt with ridicule my whole life. I've got very thick skin.

I've heard everything. My rule is, you know, I'm not going to listen to people if they're not living the life that I want to. I've got a higher net worth than most people I know. And that's, that's great because the other people that I know that have a higher net worth than I do, they're great people. And those are the people I listen to because that's the. level I'm trying to get to.

Yeah. You know, I want an empire made. I want all these things to happen. I know it's like to have some pretty fancy cars that people can't afford and they wish they could. That's where hard work comes into. Okay. That even gets scrutinized from people who don't have that kind of stuff, right? Or you sell drugs to get a Lamborghini per se, right? You know, so there's stigmas about things.

It doesn't matter what you do. It doesn't matter how great you're doing. So I'm used to that. Right. But then you have my professional life as a businessman, as an entrepreneur, getting into the middle of this stuff of being able to come forward and talk about experiences I had in 2009. So in a business sense, I took a risk because guess what? I don't have any of my businesses listed except from my private security firm. But my other stuff, I don't want people contacting me through that trying to schedule interviews or try to harass my employees or try to come to my locations or whatnot because it sounds crazy.

Yeah, right. So anybody who is dealing with this has to have thick skin. David Grush has very thick skin and him and I talk on a regular basis. I was going to say you guys actually met, right? That was something else that happened a little while back. We asked to kind of keep it on the download. But now that's kind of come out that you guys have met and you do converse with David Grush. Oh, yeah.

You know, the thing with him, though, is he was talking about non-human intelligence, murdering innocent people. It's not really the case. that's this black organization that was doing it. They were kidnapping people. They have things that look like ETs, which are not ETs, but they have things that look like that. They've got clothing programs.

They've got a bunch of other things that, you know, I don't have, I can't talk about it because I don't know the specifics of it, but I just know that there's been acknowledgement of this stuff. I am wondering too, Mike, what did they, and maybe you can't answer this. It might be two of a specific of a question. What kept you up at night? What made you, when you got back, what was it that that stuck with you that said, oh, my gosh, you know, you got back from this meeting and you just could not reconcile what you saw?

I realized at that moment that this is much deeper than what I thought it was. I realize that this is, like, this isn't up to battle and this is, these are from people. There's a, like I said, there's a majority. Now that I know this, and this has been months later. I was I was worried about honestly you know if I was to have talked about anything is the harassment going to get worse am I going to end up missing at some point you know a lot of the shows that I did I talked about me being of good health mentally physically all this kind of stuff so something did happen to me is completely abnormal I sure as hell didn't do it myself right so there's a lot of thoughts that played in my head with this because it is it is frightening because these guys have technologies, these guys can do anything that they damn well please. They literally, there's nothing that stops them. If they can have the technologies and they have stuff that I don't even know about,

they have things that that I don't even understand. But that's why they're segmenting things and letting me understand things and kind of breaking it down because to them, this is just a normal day in the office, so to speak. For people like us, this is like, holy, like, this is, this is way deeper than what I was thinking. But it makes sense because I get it. A lot of people don't have these genetic predispositions to have this sonic abilities. So they, again, use people to do that. And I was understanding, I was trying to figure out how they, how they shot down ET craft.

And I understand that they use these P3 assets to attract the, and some of these ships or these craft, and shoot him down that way. Now it made sense because now they start filling the details in on certain things and now it starts connecting the dots. Now that's the thing that Ross Coldhard told me when I talked to him a couple weeks ago. He knew one of the contacts, at least from the back end, because one of the contacts that I've been talking to is also told David Grush things on the back end of also letting him know that, yes, what he's talking about is true and this is where it's at, this is how it is, you know, everything kind of like what they did with. me this guy also knows stuff that rush is talking about so the same guy next what's that it all kind of connects with you know stories contacts it all kind of comes together correct you know so the other thing with it too is a lot of these guys they have access to pretty much anything they can run anybody's name they can find anything about you these guys are doing the same sense

but when it comes to other people coming forward because there is a risk of double agents coming through misinformation agents, things like that. And they're trying to basically separate the bullshit from the people who actually generally have something that they actually did see or part took in for the matter. So that was good to hear that this, what these guys do because they're trying to segment everything. And then they can also help provide understanding to people of what they witness, such as myself. It was an incident incident, right?

Incidental witness. Yeah. It was just something we stumbled across upon. It's not like we were right into that. that that was going to take place that day, but understanding that the rebels in the area, you know, they murder and kill people in that part of the world on a daily basis, and it's a game to them. So if this organization has stock, if you will, in these people over there, then of course they're going to come to the aid and take these people so that way they don't have

to redo the screening process for another part of the world or whatever, for that matter, because they already have everything that they did over there. So what I gather by that is that they were getting these people the hell out of there before they were murdered or killed or whatever potentially could have happened to them. And then they took them over to an installation that may have been nearby or even back in this country for the matter. It's incredible. So it's just, it's a whole different world. It's, it's this underground operation that's been going on for decades. And how do they, how do they get away with it? Is it just because they have their hands and everything? Because they are the, you know, the cabal, whatever name you want to put on them.

Is it just because they, they control every aspect of, you know, the cabal, whatever name you want to put on them? Is it just because they control every aspect of, you know, military government, uh, infrastructure industry, that they just have all these plants and they're able to just hide what they're doing from the world? I would assume so. I don't know the specifics of that, but, you know, putting two and two together, but that's kind of a, you know, if you put two into everything, you can literally find whatever you want. Yeah.

The relationship aspect, you know what I mean? So it's possible that that's, that's, that's. that's how they do it. I mean, there's probably more things that play that even I don't know. And I may one point understand in the future. Because like I tell everybody, I'm learning about this as much as anybody else is. Right. The only difference is I get to look you, you guys learn it from me. And I'm the only person in the world talking about this stuff. Yeah. At least in the public face. And that's what these guys appreciate me doing because they call, they call me basically the face of the of these guys, like the face of their organization of one,

disclosure and transparency to come. Now, there's a lot of dark things about this obviously and that's what's scary about it. The thing that I guess keeps me going is the potential future that we could have as a human race. Because if this technology comes out, think about it in this way. They've got cloning programs for them. Let's say you have a failing heart or kidneys where they can take your genetic material, probably grow a new heart or kidneys instead of having to use a donor to do that and using somebody's life or somebody who may expire, but they could just grow it and give it to you and it functions the same way.

You know, there's, I mean, reattaching limbs. I mean, there's so many different things that could happen. Technologically speaking, our world would be a much better place because if people have this kind of technology, the theory with this is that if you have species of a higher consciousness, have higher technology, then it means that they're not going to be at a lower level of being primitive with, excuse me, murder, wars over resources, things like that. Yeah. They're going to be more helpful.

And it's just. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, because, you know, I, gosh, I wish we had more time. I could talk to you about this for another two hours, but we only have about 10 minutes left. Just just with, you know, the way schedules work out today. I'm just wondering what what's their endgame, right? These these black sites, maybe not the one in particular that you were at,

but maybe just as a whole, this has been going on for decades. When do they stop? Like what point do they want to reach in technology or money? What is their mission? What is their goal? I don't know. I really don't know.

I can tell you from the good guys in this organization, which is fast numbers compared to the bad guys. I can tell you that their goal is that they want this to be transparent. I know these guys need an income source so they could transition out of that work and still provide for their families. Because these guys are getting paid pretty damn well, right? Sure. So if they have something that's similar to that that they can have and live off of while they're looking for another employment, I know I've heard that personally.

That's kind of the thing that stops these people because they've got everything provided for their family. Right. You know, if it, you know, so that's, that's kind of where it gets tricky. So the good guys want this to be transparent. I know the bad guys don't. And that's why they go through the links to try to silence people. I can't sit there and say that, you know, with what I'm doing is completely safe. I don't encourage anybody to do, to take the initiative that I'm doing. But I've got the support and I've got the security in place. I'm not only from my own guys, my own teams that I have. But it's also from these. guys, and it's also from the government. Because when this guy came forward on my behalf, to a degree, to the government, they now realized when they connected the dots, they're like, okay, what I talked about was true at the Arrow Office and the Pentagon and just some senators, a congresspeople, special intelligence committee or a Senate intelligence committee, and then special intelligence service, right?

Because now they have somebody who's completely working in that operation or has done several of those. They're all of a sudden telling them what I experienced and what was for. So now they understood that there's a seriousness to it. So that felt good because now everything's being corroborated on the back end. I see a lot of people trying to say, okay, why don't these guys come forward? Well, here's the thing. If you have access to some of the most cutting edge technologies that are hidden from the public and they've been hidden from the public since 1947, And they're used for purposes of generating income because that's how these guys have a foothold on the entire globe. Are they going to be so friendly just to let people leave it and then come talk about it openly?

Right. No, they're not. Right. There's 13 murders that I'm aware of, a very high profile people ranging from government officials to others that this organization has done. And it's very alarming. I'm not going to reveal names of who they are, but 13 murders that I know of a very high profile people that were at the hands of these people because they wanted to keep a tight lid on it. So I can't say that I'm balzy. I'm scared because it's unknown.

But this is how things get done. They don't get done just from sitting talking about it. They get done because people in the back end, people are trying to make things happen. And disclosure is the only way. I can see it happening is if we keep pressing forward on this issue. Not letting all the other stuff, yeah, they can be hurdles, but we can jump over those. You know, it took me, it took me months to learn how to talk about this without getting emotional, without getting, you know, feeling defeated at times. Because it is hard.

Being in my shoes right now is very hard because you have to cope with the reality of what you've been told your whole life. to the actual realization of what's going on. Which is this whole underground operation essentially of reverse engineering, using people for experimentation to learn how to use these things, recruits them around the world that have these, you know, I guess what psychic abilities are sensitive to these things? It's next level stuff, Mike.

I mean, honestly, it's pretty incredible. Where do we go from here? what's next? I mean, who in government can or will do anything about this? Are they looking into really trying to uncover these things? Yes. The only thing I can tell you is that they are. I can't tell you how they're doing that. I can't tell you what the specifics or the time frame of that is. Because partially it's to keep this without anybody knowing what the plan is. I know what the plan is. I've been well versed in that just because of what, you know, because I'm still potentially involved with that. I'm not going to go into detail about it.

I'll talk to you about that privately. When I can talk about that publicly, then it's going to make a little bit more sense. Yeah. Because like I said, I'm still learning about this as much as you guys are as much as your audience, as much as the whole world is for that matter. You know, so I have to rely on these guys to literally feed me the information and tell me what, what is that? accurate and what isn't. And unfortunately, I'm at their mercy when it comes to disclosure because I understand the sensitive nature of this because of what they're dealing with on the back end. And it's scary. It scares them too because they've seen things happen firsthand of what these guys

can do because they're involved. They're literally in the same organization. It's like you being a good guy coming to work and you have a team that you're with. And some of them are all murderous psychopaths can go down the street, go shoot random people and think it's fun. And here, you, the good people in the office are like, we're not doing that. You know of it. You know, so that's, that's where it kind of gets, it's where it kind of gets a little crazy, you know, because these guys have to watch their, their six at all times. Now, they have to do their job that, that they do. But then they have all of a sudden this other aspect of it, too. Well, it's got Yeah, it's got to be pretty risky for them to, you know, take you on and show you things.

It is. It very much is. And people need to understand that, you know, I'm in the boat as everybody else. I want this all to freaking come out already. Yeah. Let it all out. Come on. I mean, the world's been waiting for this. This is what needs to happen. This is how we improve as a species. This is how, you know, I don't have children, but this is how many children's lives are going to be impacted future generations off of the actions we do today. right and that's kind of my driving force because you know I can't have children which is you know it's been a blessing in some disguise but at the same time I'd like to make my dad a grandpa I mean that's kind of his goal you know but if I don't can't have kids and I can do it for myself I can do

it for future generations and have the understanding that you know what maybe maybe my purpose in this world is to get this out and if I can do that I can I can sleep good at night knowing what I'm doing to try to contribute but I understand I I'm anxious about about it. I sleep well because I take melatonin and a bunch of other things to help with that. But at the same time, it's just having to understand the realization of what's going on and what it does. It's, it's, I mean, no pun intended, but it's otherworldly. To them, this is normal. This is just a regular day to them. And people like us, it's like, wow. Right. Mine is blown. And I think mine has kind of been blown here today too. There is so much.

more of that I want to get you with you know but there is that's what we're going to keep this going I've told you that from the beginning I refuse to talk to mainstream media about this because that all they want to do is get the information probably tell whoever is involved with that that this guy is releasing information and who knows you know what I mean but you guys are people like you I should say Stephen are for about the truth you're letting people make up their minds of what's real and allow them to come to the realization themselves because I'll tell you two things before you get off here. There may be a time in our lifetime where maybe ET does decide to land and show themselves

and intervene. That moment right there, we're all going to be wrong. Every single one of us on this planet are going to be wrong about our history, about everything we know about this world. We're all going to be wrong. You have advanced civilizations who have lived a lot longer than human race has that probably knows how everything started. So it's a learning curve for us in that degree if that ever happens.

The second thing is people have to understand that not everything is what it seems. I thought that this was like a very dark operation like organ harvesting, drug trafficking, human trafficking, even though that does happen. And I'm sure these, this black organization may do that too. I mean, what the hell would stop them? They've got most advanced technologies to do that. So I always encourage people, have an open mind and have enough understanding. And the other thing is, too, I'm in the same boat as them. I want this all to come out.

I want everybody to benefit from this as well as myself. But it takes me and several others to be that canary in the coal mine. We're the ones filling it out, paving the way. So when this can come out, everybody can understand and make up their own conclusions about it. They're still going to be naysayers, unfortunately. But that's just them as a personality, right? So thanks to people like you. you know, taking the time to put people on like me.

Thanks to people like Joey's not my name, him getting information out. He's been a tremendous help. And I encourage him to watch this and if he can timestamp it and understand that, yes, I'm relaying information to him. He reached out to me and wanted more clarification and more specific so he could make up his own mind. And then when I found out that this contact wanted to get a hold of me of these, you know, these people in these organizations to tell me what, what do we experience and what it was for?

then it's like, okay, well, if what I talked about was true, these guys wouldn't have came forward on my behalf to tell me what I saw. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's, um, that never happens. That's why this is the thing that was so crazy to me, because it's like, that never happens. Yeah. Here I'm thinking, it's an uphill battle that I'm the only one talking about this. And I get how it makes me look publicly.

There's people who, who like what I'm doing. There's people who, okay, I'm not sure. And then there's the exact opposite. Yeah. I don't care. I know what I'm exposed to on a daily basis, and that's what I pertain to. And it's almost like some of these people that have, you know, family members that may be, may be into some very controversial stuff.

There's not like, like, they're going to go tell the whole world. Right. You know, they're going to keep a secret too because it has their reputation online. I got a reputation myself, you know, but at the same token, it's like this is, I can put aside things for a time being and, and, and, concentrate on what needs to happen. You know, and I don't know where this is going to take us. That's always up in the air.

That's always a question I have at the end of the day. Like, am I doing the right thing? Am I, you know, am I, is this a good cause to partake it? You know, am I, you know, is my family going to be safe? These are all questions I ask myself every single day. I am looking over my back. I am armed all the time. You know how fucking uncomfortable it is sometimes to be armed all the time

sitting in your office chair and. you know, things like that. You know, I don't like carrying a gun on me all the time, but it's just the world we live in these days. I'm not going to take a risk anymore. But I got other people that work with me that, you know, are part of my team. And that's their sole purpose of security. I got people that live close to me that can drive over there at any point and make sure. You know, so I'm thankful for that type for that, to have that ability to have people like that, as well as these insiders that are helping me out because they have some pretty big assets themselves of what they can utilize.

and do all that, provide security for even politicians. And then, of course, the measures to the government. So there is a safety net that's been created, but at the same token, it's, it's, it's reality in a sense, but it's still nerve wreck. And it's going to continue to be. And the more that I get exposed to this, the more that it's going to keep being, you know, getting my anxiety through the roof to a degree, you know, but I'm in the same boat as everybody else.

Yeah, well, you know what, Mike? I'm happy to be, you know, kind of like your outlet when it comes to all this stuff. It's a lot to take in and it's a lot to handle. You need somebody to talk to. We're here. I appreciate you spending the time to go through all these details that, you know, you haven't really spoken about a lot to really many people at all. So, I mean, I'm honored that you've come on and I appreciate your kind words, you know,

about what I try to do here with the show and, you know, talking to you and people like you as well. like I said, I wish we had another two hours to do it, but hopefully we can reconnect. There's a lot more that we can cover. There's a lot of questions I have in my mind. And I'm sure there's a lot more that we can uncover in the future, maybe soon. Right. Well, you know, there will be, you know, I know that for a fact. You know, I enjoy to an extent telling people what's going on in the world, you know,

as crazy as it sounds. But it's the truth. And that's the thing is that people have to understand that. you know, this truth is stranger than fiction. There's a reason why that's, that saying exists. Right. There was a manuscript that they provided me. This is the last thing I'm going to say.

There was a manuscript that they provided me of an event that happened somewhere to what I experienced in 2009, but this happened in Mexico in 2004. And these black team operators killed a J-Soc operator, which is Joint Special Operations Command, right? So these are, these are very, very tough guys, very, you know, these are almost tier one guys. I'm pretty sure you're tier one. And these guys murdered. one of those operators, like it was a killing game. And when I read that, because they read it as a historical fiction, the book is called The Sentinels of Ether,

there's more parts of this book, but what they gave to me was the portion that related to what I saw and why, and how they were doing this operation too. But that kept me up. I broke down because that could have been me. That could have been any of my Marines. I could have been myself getting murdered like that. I'm not going to go into detail because I'll probably end up

crying about it because that's what it usually happens. But it's, um, it put reality in, in my face very quick of what that could have turned into. But that was reality. And, you know, it was so barbaric on how they did that to somebody who's serving our country and trying to put food on a table for his family. If he had a family, you know, but that is a reality that's very hard to swallow that there's a lot of innocent people they're losing our lives at the hands of these psychopaths, these murderers. You know, so that's my driving force too, because if this can end, at least these bad guys, then there's really not a lot more that would stand in our way besides our own egos at the end of the day.

Well, it's an uphill battle, Mike, and I know you're ready for it. And you know what? I'm here as well to, again, you know, be that outlet. any help you need to get any word out. I'm happy to do it. So I know we'll talk more in the future. There's plenty more to come, plenty more developments, I'm sure. And I look forward to keeping up with you about it.

And we can do this all again and get further updates as things happen. Much more to come to be continued here with my career on UAP weekly. It's been a pleasure, man. Thank you for everything that you're doing, that you're going through. and that's, you're trying to get done and that you are getting done. And thank you again for coming on here to talk about it. And like I said, to be continued.

Correct, man. Well, I appreciate you having me on. And, you know, I want people to know the truth and get this out and understand that, you know, when it does, I'm not, you know, we're not doing this for money. I don't need that. I got plenty of that. It's not about that.

It's about doing the right thing at the end of the day. And there's people that need to fall in suit with that. And that's where I stand and that's what I'm going to continue to until until something happens. Either way, something has to give at the end of the day. It's a strong message, Mike, and it's a worthy one.

So we'll pick it up. We'll pick it up from here. And I look forward to catching up with you on all this stuff and, you know, kind of continuing the conversation pretty soon, I think. Yep. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, buddy.

So that will do it. Not much more to say here today. Thank you for joining me here on this special edition of UAP for this interview with Michael Herrera. And of course, continue to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast. Episode 75 will be coming out soon-ish. So I have plans on that one.

I know what it's going to be. I just need to get it together and have that one out to you maybe within another week or so. So I'll keep you updated on episode 75. The new episode with brand new music as well, some new intro music, some new outro music that I'm excited to premiere for you guys. that I think you're going to like. I think so. But anyway, that'll do it for now right here on this special edition of UAP. It's Stephen Deiner here with you. Signing off and saying,

have a great day. I can't wait to talk to you again soon. Thank you so much for joining me here today. Have a good one.