UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: One on One with Robert Salas

Episode Date: March 15, 2025

Stephen Diener sits down with the great Robert Salas to discuss everything from the recent congressional hearings, his thoughts on some of the mainstream whistleblowers, the future of the disclosure effort, and even what happened on that fateful night in 1967 at Malmstrom Air Force Base. The insights that Robert gives here are invaluable on all that and much more...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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As I've said before, I always like to put these out from time to time to resurface some old episodes, stories, conversations. And today is no different. I wanted to kind of bring back up to the surface my first conversation that I had with Robert Salas. And just, you know, an incredible story. He has so many stories. And, you know, I was fortunate enough to be with him in Washington, D.C. this past November during the second round of congressional hearings. But before we did that, I had him on twice here on UAP. And this greatest hits edition is the first episode that we did together, which aired on August 8, 2023.

So about a year and a half ago. And on this, it's, I think it's a cool look back because we actually discussed the first congressional hearing, as well as kind of getting his thoughts on it. It was after the hearing was done with David Grush and Fraver and Graves. But we also came on to talk about his personal stories. Of course, the Malmstrom Air Force Base incident back in the mid-1960s when the nukes were shut off and everything that happened from there. So I thought it would be a good time to bring back Robert Salas here on UAP

to have that look back on our original discussion back in August of 2023 and kind of gain that perspective to look back on this conversation. And also to bring his name back up because I don't want people to forget about Robert Salas, quite frankly, because this is a guy that has been fighting for disclosure in this issue, the UAP issue, for 60 years now. And, you know, I feel like his voice is being heard to a certain extent, but I want it to be heard more, especially when it comes to Congress. so maybe in the next hearing down the road, they'll have Bob Salas on the stand there at the hearing,

like we've seen it in the past two with Lou Elizano and Tim Gallaudet and the other names that I've mentioned. I know that he sat with Nancy Mace in a private meeting after the second congressional hearings back in November. So, you know, they are definitely aware of Robert Salas on Congress, or at least Nancy Mace is, and I'm pretty sure a few others hopefully would be as well. He is definitely someone who deserves to be heard, given all of his experiences with the UAP issues. So happy to bring back my conversation here with Robert Salas from August 8, 2023. Again, great perspective to look back on some of these things and also to resurface a lot of Robert Salas's stories. So if you've never heard this discussion, well, enjoy.

And if you heard it way back when, well, I hope you enjoy it once again and gain some new perspective like I did when I listened back to some of it. So, without further ado, myself with Robert Salas on this greatest hits edition of UAP. Enjoy. Robert Salas, thank you so much here for joining UAP Weekly. Glad to have you on. Happy to be here, Stephen. Thanks for inviting me. I appreciate it.

Yeah, absolutely. Happy to have you. So there's a lot that I would like to cover with you. So we'll try to get to as much as we can today. The first thing I want to ask you is kind of, you know, what we saw recently with the congressional hearings with David Grush, David Fravor, and Ryan Graves in front of Congress, all under oath, saying, you know, the big statements that they made, historic day, really, for guys of that stature to come out and talk like that under oath

for the country and the world to see. I wanted to get your initial thoughts from that day. If you can kind of just give your reaction, what your thoughts were after seeing that testimony. Well, I really anticipated their testimony. I was happy to see it. It's an open hearing, televised to the country by, like you say, three very credible witnesses. Just off the top of my head, I was really impressed with all of them how explicit they made their statements. For example, David Fravor, who encountered the UFO very great.

close. He stated a couple of things pretty important. Number one, there we have no aircraft or object that can do what he saw this thing do. It took off right in front of his eyes at very high speeds was actually tracked on radar and went to their cap point or the rendezvous point for the mission, which was about 60 miles away in less than a minute. So that's got to be like at least 3,600 miles per hour. So that was pretty significant. He also said that he's disappointed that he was. wasn't properly debriefed on this by anyone in his command.

It was basically hushed, hushed up. And of course, let's see, David Grush also said essentially the same thing. He's actually been, you know, not cooperated with, and he's been threatened by people in his command, they don't want this stuff released. And it goes to the issue of what I've been talking about for many years, and that is I think there's a well-established cabal or secrecy group within government that's really working hard to keep these secrets. Yeah, and I think it's important to kind of make that point because, you know,

a lot of the things that were talked about during that hearing were, you know, as a pretty recent and probably the late, the latest. thing that was talked about, or I guess, you know, maybe the furthest thing away was the Tick-Tac from the Nimitz. That's 2004. That's almost 20 years ago. But, you know, just going back to your incident, which we'll get to later, the Maastum incident, or even going back to some of the things, you know, we heard about with like Operation High Jump. You know, some of the stories coming from there post-World War II with Admiral Bird, which is, that's, that's, I think, a point that people miss sometimes that this is something that's been going on well before 2004. Absolutely. Mr. Graves talked about the problems with air safety. I understand that completely. But there have been reports going back at least, well, in 1950, where during the big siding over Washington, D.C., many of the pilots that encountered these aircraft, are these objects. stated that they flew in front of them. They, you know, they're very aggressive in that respect. But, and then in 1957, I can, you know, I've got a website. I'll put a post on that incident.

That was an RB-47 incident where UFO, again, followed the craft very closely, jumped in front of them, you know, flew a car. their flight, line of flight, and on it on, there's plenty now. I wish that Mr. Graves had pointed out specific incidents where there could have been a serious

incident involving UFO too close to the aircraft that caused something to happen. But so far, I haven't heard of an accident or serious incident, but maybe he has more information on that. What did you make of the three witnesses that ended up showing up there? I mean, look, all upstanding gentlemen, you know, great careers, great resumes, everything like that.

I know that there was talk from Representative Burchett from Tennessee that there was supposed to be six whistleblowers that were going to be there. We ended up with the three that we got, which, you know, again, they were great. What did you make of those three and why you think maybe more of the other ones didn't come out? Say, you know, why didn't we have six? Well, Burchett said essentially that the DOD put a kibosh on those other three. I don't know. I don't want to use the word threatened, but they kept them from testifying by applying pressures in various ways.

Again, you've got to understand we're talking about highly classified information. The three that did come forward, again, the issue that Graves brought up is an important one. It's aircraft safety, both civilian and military. However, the national security issue, I could have. I could have provided some pretty good information. I've been studying this for over 30 years, well, almost 30 years. And I've got a lot of information that I've accumulated about UFOs, an association with nuclear weapons facilities.

I was actually about to ask you that. I was going to say, did they reach out to you at all? And if not, why didn't they? Because it seems like, I mean, you could have given a lot of information that would have been pretty useful on that day. I think so. They did not reach out much to my chagrin because I made a strong effort to put my name forward. I actually wrote and telephoned their offices many, many times. I had other people do the same in supporting my testimony. I was never contacted by any of them.

The reason I think, and I'm just speculating here, is because this is such a volatile issue, the fact that these objects were able to disable nuclear weapons, and they haven't found an answer for that. They didn't want to have this such an explosive issue at this time. Now, something I might be invited in the future, if the Senate has a hearing, which I anticipate they will. But, again, I don't think they have the answers. And so they're hesitant to present this to the American public. Yeah, I think you're right.

And I think there will be more hearings. And hopefully they include you in at least one of those that are coming up. I think it would be very beneficial for a lot of people. Robert Salas, you mentioned a couple of the books actually that you've written in with UAPs and the nuclear puzzle, unidentified, the UFO phenomenon. And I say that because, well, number one, they're great. So if you haven't read them, I think everybody could find a little piece of information in there that they might find helpful or very interesting.

But you wrote those, you know, based off of all the experience you've had in this field and especially going back to Malmastra May Air Force Base in 1967, March of 1967. That's where this kind of all began for you, right? Was that night when these UFOs, these UFOs came over the base in case anybody's not familiar with the story, and everything got shut down? Well, the missiles were disabled. We and the capsule that we were underground 60 feet, there was no impact on us as far as,

power, loss of power and the missiles didn't lose power at any time and there was no damage to the missiles. I want to emphasize that. What happened was they were able to send by they, I mean the objects were able

to send signals to each of the 10 missiles separately to upset the guidance system. And it was simply an upset of a level platform we used for the inertial or gyroscopic guidance system that we had. And that's what shut them down because it's a very sensitive system that we had to go through

in order to target these missiles. And if the targeting system or the guidance system is somehow tweaked, then it would shut the whole thing down because obviously we don't want to lunch where we can't really acquire the target properly. So that's the reason they shut down. There was no damage to the systems at all. And how long did that last? That lasted, I'd say, approximately 24 hours.

We had immediately got maintenance crews out there to retarget the missiles and set it up again and so over a span of, I'd say 24 hours it took to get all the missiles back up on alert status. Now, I know you've answered this question before, but I'll ask it for anybody who hasn't heard your answer. Given the time, 1967, why wouldn't this have been the Russians? Why wouldn't it have been one of our adversaries that could have, you know, disabled our ICBMs like that, that night?

First of all, we had a warning system, NORAD, North American Air Defense, which would have tracked any object heading for the U.S. What this object did, like I said, was pretty much some of the things that Mr. Favrever, I'm sorry, Commander Fraver stated, was they were able to, fly very fast, stop on a dime, reverse course, make 90 degree turns, no engine noise, and we had nothing in our

inventory then or now that could do something like that. This was reported, these words of operational abilities of these things were reported to me directly by my security guard, made guard upstairs.

There are the same kinds of words you hear today by pilots who have seen these things. No, we had nothing in our inventory. And again, I was in the Air Force and then later worked for Federal Aviation Administration for 22 years. And I can assure you we had no aircraft that could do anything like what it did. So then, like I said, it hovered silently. and sent signals separately to each of the 10 missiles. And this didn't happen just once in my incident.

This happened in 1966 at Minot Air Force Base. David Chindelli has spoken about that. He's also giving his testimony to Arrow as I have. And then in my case, there was an incident eight days earlier at Malmstrom. Walter Fiegel, Colonel Fegel retired, is a witness to that and his commander. And the same thing happened there. UFO came over the facilities and shut the missiles down within seconds. So within the span of eight, I'm sorry, six months, within the span of six months, we lost

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objects being interested enough in our nuclear capability, our weaponry, to basically, you know, disable them? What is what, why are you, why the interest there? I'm going to refer you to my website, spiral galaxy.org. Anybody can go there. And if you go to, let's see, I've got UFOs and nukes in 2021. October of 2021. I and other witnesses, you mentioned, I mentioned

David Chindelli and there's also Robert Jacobs. That was the incident in Vanderberg Air Force Base. If you go there, you'll see history of UFO encounters over nuclear weapons

facilities spanning from 1945 to almost the present day. Now, your question, why are they doing this?

To me, I think it's obvious. I've thought this for a long time, is they're simply reminding us of the possibility of complete annihilation of our civilization, our planet, if we get involved in a nuclear war. I go in a great detail of my books

on how this current policy of nuclear deterrence, which means having a superior number of nuclear weapons over any enemy, has simply caused the world to be more dangerous and more susceptible to nuclear war because other countries have developed their own nuclear weapons. So we have nine countries now. Two of those countries, India and Pakistan are currently at war with each other. They could use them any time. Russia has threatened to use nukes in the Ukrainian war right now.

We in the U.S. have tried to use nukes or could have used nukes in other wars. The Korean War and also the Vietnam War. Both times, our military commanders asked the president that they could use nuclear weapons. So I know it's a horrendous thing to think about, but it is a very real risk even today that we could get ourselves into a nuclear war. And so again, in answer to your question, I think these beings, these advanced civilizations that are visiting us are simply warning us to rid ourselves of nuclear weapons. and that's my ultimate goal to see we can get started on abolishing all nuclear weapons. And I think it's possible to do that. Yeah, it's a nice goal to have for sure.

It can be a safer place. Well, how are you met, Robert, when it came to these things, you know, these incidents that we're talking about here, as compared to present day with someone like David Grush, where he's met with, you know, still skepticism here in 2023, but then you have a congressional hearing where he is essentially the main witness. Compare that to how you were met when you first

started talking about your experiences. Well, first of all, my first disclosure was to the Great Falls Tribune. I walked into their office and got a hold of the editor and told my story.

And of course, He listened carefully, but he wanted to do some research, et cetera. Of course, I was met with incredulity, but I kept at it. I went on radio shows, TV shows, and finally, with the help of Robert Hastings, who wrote the book UFOs and nukes, we started doing press conferences in Washington, D.C. also with help of Stephen Bassett, I once mentioned Stephen Bassett, brought me in as a witness during his press conferences in Washington, D.C. And at times we were met with, of course, both skepticism, but we did get media coverage. In the case of the presentation we made in 2013 in Washington, D.C. at the Citizens Hearing on Disclosure,

we got a lot of media coverage, international coverage. And we got the attention of some of the Congress people. Of course, they called me a nut, but still we got attention. And then what happens is the media gets distracted. And three days later, nothing. It's like the media had amnesia, forgot all about it. today we're seeing the same kind of thing. We are getting some TV coverage.

However, it's not in-depth. It's, you know, 30-second sound bites here and there. So I think the media is responsible for the fact that more, this isn't given more attention in the government and around the world. So I'd like to call them to, you know, pay more attention and bring more people and talk about this and more in depth. I'm with you on that. And one thing that they really haven't brought up, which I feel like it's a big deal, is this new UAP amendment that Senator Chuck Schumer, the Senate Majority Leader.

I think it's, you know, fair to highlight his title there because that's someone who is an real position of power to where now he came out and made it a point to add in this. this new UAP amendment they're calling in in the National Defense Authorization Act for 2024. So when something like that happens, you would think, oh, wow, you know, the Senate majority leader is having this UAP amendment put in. That might be a top headline. And you don't hear that much about it, but it is a big deal, right? Am I wrong about that? No, you're right.

It is a big deal. In fact, the title of that amendment is called the UAP Disclosure Act in 2023. That's the official title. It would establish the presumption that all such records be disclosed to the public, although later on, of course, they talk about unless it affects national security, which that's a big box. I need to find what could affect national security. So there's a lot of leeway in it.

It does, however, state that there is credible evidence and testimony in. U.S. government records that have not been disclosed to the public. So essentially it's admitting this document, this amendment, is admitting that there's been an ongoing cover up by the government. Right. That's pretty much the gist of it. I mean, and I think like you said, too, it's the main point in that is they're almost acknowledging without actually saying it, but they're acknowledging that there has been

stuff that's covered up, which they've denied for decades. Exactly, exactly. Basically stating that there are legacy programs where commercial industry has been involved, private sector, non-governmental agencies have been involved in the cover-up. And there are all these records, the OAP records outstanding, that they are demanding, basically, through this amendment, that these be turned over. to the government. Now, the big question I have is, well, all this is well and good. What's the government going to do with this information? Are they going to disclose to the public, or are they going to continue? They say, well, we can't release some of this stuff. It's too explosive, like in my case, and keep it hidden like they have for decades. You know, words are fine. I applaud Senator Schumer,

Senator Rubio, and others that put this out. Senator Gillibrand, of course. But when it comes right down to it, and Grush, David Grush, verified this, there's still an ongoing effort to maintain these secrets, and it's going to be very, very, very difficult to unlock them even with amendments like this.

You know, I can't help but to wonder, and I'm sure you've wondered the same thing, so I'll ask you, why now? I think it's the question that keeps going through my head, why now, after all this time, is Congress and the Senate so seemingly suddenly interested in this conversation, in this, you know, in these questions of other life and this, you know, otherworldly technology? Why now does it seem like they really want to jump on the ball here and bring about some type of disclosure? Well, I think you saw the frustration in Congress from Burchett, you know, in the press conferences he's given. He's shown a lot of frustration that we're not getting the answers.

So I think this has come to a head partly because of – again, the 30-year effort, not only myself, but many others have done to get the word out through these conferences. And it just kind of built up into the fact that the evidence is overwhelming, overwhelming by a multitude of people, including astronauts. So I just finished reading the book by Gordon Cooper, who had his own incidents. And, of course, Edgar Mitchell and others have come forward. The evidence is simply overwhelming that we have got to deal with this phenomena. And, of course, after the release of the Tick-Tac videos, that kind of kicked it open to much more interest by Congress. But still, while we've had the testimony of Grush and Fravor and Graves, there's still a lot of questions.

For example, Grush has got information, but he still can't get into a skiff to tell Congressman what they want to know. So like I said, it's going to be an ongoing battle. And what people are, again, if you go to my website, I wrote a paper called Extreme and Excessive Secrecy. You'll find it there. But it talks about the security system is broken, seriously broken, people that are supposed to report on classifieds. systems and procedures are not reporting. There's a lot of things wrong with how we keep the secrets, and that's how I think the Cabo wants it.

They want to mess secrecy. So the government is going to have to figure out how to fix that in order to make an amendment like the Schumer Amendment work. I'm curious, Robert, who do you think is, or what is involved in the cabal that's, you know, has been talked about a lot that you've brought up. Is it a mix of things? Is it a private companies like Lockheed or their division of skunk works,

Northrop Grumman, you know, a lot of these Boeing, a lot of these companies that Raytheon, you know, another name that a lot of people bring up. Is it strictly in the private sector, or do you think it's a mix of private sector and, you know, big government somewhere, top generals, things like that, Pentagon officials? Well, I think it's individuals within government and outside of government, like you mentioned, within some of the industry, aerospace industry companies that have benefited from retrievals and back engineering and producing products based on this advanced technology that they've been able to gleaned from these studies.

and retrievals. This is a very, let's say, lucrative enterprise that the cabal has going. People are making money,

a lot of money. They are able to barter these secrets with other countries. Other people in other countries that are cooperating with the the cabal,

I'll say. there's plenty of evidence of that and so secrets are powerful are powerful political tools and lucrative there's money to be made here so I'm sure part of the reason the cabal are keeping the secrets

is because there have been crimes committed crimes committed as David Gresh pointed out including the severe way they treat potential whistleblowers. Well, we won't get into that, but I think Rush pointed out a couple of pretty horrible things that might have happened to people. When we do have another hearing, which I think we will, from all indications anyway, unless Congress is stonewalled again, I think it's important for them to try to get you out there

and get you involved because you've seen a lot of this for a long time now. And there's a lot of information that you can give, quite frankly. Well, even if I am not invited to speak at a public hearing, like I said, I have began the process of putting a lot of information on my website. So anybody that wants to see the evidence I've got from my case, the other cases that I mentioned, and new cases, which maybe people aren't aware of, they'll all go there. And so I'm reporting to the public. So one thing we should understand is disclosure is not just about the government telling what they know, but it's about witnesses coming forward and telling what they know.

We do have a whistleblower act now. Arrow is interviewing people and will continue to interview people. In my case, I've got the entire interview on tape over two hours, and I'm open, as far as I'm concerned, open to releasing any or all of that. So we the public, we are the witnesses out there can do our own disclosure, whether or not the government recognizes it. It's really, I think this is going to be a political issue in the coming election. Hey, guys.

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they have difficulty dealing with. But it's up to us to keep pressing our representatives. Keep on your congressman. Senators ask them about these things. Keep talking about it. And that's what I'm going to do. Yeah. No, it's a good way to put it.

And I want to mention, too, you mention your website. It's spiral galaxy.org. That's Robert's website. You can go there. There's a lot of great research. resources on there and tools and information about the books that you've come out with, about, you know, the Malmastrum files on there. So there's a lot of good info on spiral galaxy.org.

You mentioned the presidents, Robert. And actually, I had this question in the back of my head, so I'll ask it. And, you know, a few more minutes. If I know you're very gracious with your time, I appreciate it. And we'll wrap up here soon for you. But I'm wondering, have you heard anything about presidents being involved with the secrecy? there's so many stories that I've just heard about where the, you know, this secret government, if you will, the cabal, I've heard that they try to keep some presidents out of the loop

because they look at them as like part-time employees almost, right? Is that your experience or have you heard about some presidents kind of being in the know? Well, what I do know is President Truman acknowledged that he was being brief. You know, you Google that. You can find it on the web. After Truman, I think they established a secret group, if you will. That was confirmed by Wilbert Smith, the Canadian engineer, that there was a secret group studying this subject

and to keep the president of the data informed on this because, of course, it's a temporary job for president and they don't want presidents after the entire talking about this. So I think they've made a conscious effort not to brief presidents. I know there's been theories about John F. Kennedy being, you know, looking into it. You know, Clinton looked into it. So did Jimmy Carter look into this, and they were stonewalled. We wrote a letter to Barack Obama, and he came back, or his scientific advisor, came back,

and stated there's no evidence to show that we've been visited by extraterrestrials, blah, blah, blah. So I think he was kept in the dark. Is that the secret group that we talk about? I know some people are going to wonder, so I'll ask the question. Is that the Majestic 12 that we're referring to? Majestic 12 was the beginning, I think, of this secret group. There was a letter written to a couple of letters that were verified about, Majestic 12 by Stanton Friedman, who I hold in high respect.

I knew Stanton personally. He did a lot of research and validating the fact that this Majestic 12 group existed, headed by Bannerbar Bush, who was really the top scientist during World War II in the government. There are records of people like Einstein and open high, that visited the crash site of Roswell in 1947 supporting witnesses to that. So, yeah, I think that was the beginning of this secret group. And a couple more things here, Robert. I'm wondering through everything that you've gone through with this subject

and trying to get the word out there and your own experiences, do you feel like this is the closest to some type of disclosure that we, had or you know there are people getting their hopes up I think people should get their hopes up yeah this is the closest we've come and I think it can't be turned around now I think there are too many government officials and whistleblowers coming forward that are highly highly interested in the subject and I think we're on the cusp of of getting more disclosure. The key, I think, again, is to have open hearings.

And the Senate, I sure hope they do have open hearings. Even if I'm not invited, it's important to get witnesses in front of the public telling these stories because it's really the public that's going to push this wide open. And these Congress people, like I said, are historically weak need when it comes to these kinds of things. It's really the public pushing forward that's going to break things open. And I think we can hope for that now. Yeah, I think that's really well put because it does feel like to me, too, and I agree with you, it almost feels like there's a shift that's kind of taking place or has taken place.

And I think, you know, some of the analogies are used like you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. It feels like we're kind of in that moment, right? I agree. I think so. So I'll get you out here on this, Robert. I wanted to play a little name association game with you. If you don't mind, if you don't want to give a comment or even if you're not familiar with the name, then that's fine. But I wanted to just curious when I throw out a name to you, what's some of the first things that come to your mind.

Is that okay? You can try, but I may have no comment. That's fine. That's fine. We'll give it a shot. First thing I have here, Jeremy Corbell. No comment. All right.

In a good way or a bad way? No comment. Okay. George Knapp. No comment. Lou Elizondo. No comment. David Grush.

I think he's a good witness. I believe in him. I think he's going to make some more. Ways, yeah. Okay. John Lear? Yeah, actually, I think he's a valid witness. Actually, I worked on his aircraft, the Learjet.

Not the Learjet, it was composite of the Learjet, composite materials when I was with FAA. Yeah, for those who aren't familiar with him, I know that might be a little unfamiliar for some people, but he's the son. I mean, he's part Lear Jet, but he passed away last year, but he had some incredible claims talked about, you know, Oswell talked about Area 52, talked about these runways opening up in the middle of the desert. He had a lot of incredible claims

and some things that actually, people look back on now from interviews like in the mid-90s and like, wait a minute, we're hearing about this now. So it's pretty interesting. If someone's not familiar with John Lee, or I say it's worth your time to look him up.

Yeah, people don't remember Steerman. He produced or developed one of the initial trainers. I think prior to World War II, but he had his own UFO experience. Dr. Stephen Greer. No comment. Bob Lazar.

No comment. All right. I want to press just a little bit. Do you find Bob Lazar to be reputable, truthful? Do you find him to be somebody that should be taken seriously? Let me just say I find that there is good evidence, and I'm convinced that we have non-human bodies or entities that have had them. We have developed machines that attempt to simulate the flight characteristics that UFOs developed from recovered craft. I'm convinced of those two things.

And those are the kinds of things Lazar talks about. I don't know Mr. Lizarre. I've never talked to him. So that's one reason I have no comment. It's not that I don't believe him. In fact, I'm, like I said, in agreement with some of the things he's stated. Okay. Well, last one.

I think you'll have a comment on this one. Robert Salas. A guy who's trying to get the word out, and I'm going to keep pushing. Good. That's great. Well, Robert Salas, thank you again so much. It's really been awesome talking to you. I've always been fascinated personally by your story, by your experiences. So just for me, it's an honor.

It's a pleasure to have you on here for UAP Weekly and talk about this subject. Thank you, Stephen. I really appreciate the opportunity. And like I said, I'll just keep on talking. Absolutely. I'd be happy to have you on again as things continue to develop if you like. Okay. Great. Thank you. Robert Salas joining us here on UAP Weekly. Thank you. Thank you.

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and that this is the closest he's ever seen it, I think that was really striking to me as well. But that's all I have for today. I think that interview says it all. And there's obviously still a lot going on. Like I said, I'm going to keep my eyes on everything happening in Peru. A lot of wild stories coming out of there, like as, you know, kind of mentioned at the beginning. But aside from that, also working on episode 73 of the original UAP. So a lot of great things to come right here on UAP.

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I have some ideas on that, so I'll let you know what's going on. And like I said, hopefully out soon for episode 73. And of course, UAP Weekly, keep you up to date the best I can with everything happening. But until then, thank you so much again here for joining me. Hopefully you enjoy this as much as I did today with Robert Salas. I will talk to you again soon. It is Stephen Deiner here, UAP Weekly Unidentified Alien podcast. Speak with you again soon.

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