UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: Paranormal Explained? Revelations of the Sphere Network

Episode Date: June 20, 2026

It is way past time to revisit this conversation. Stephen Diener is joined by author and researcher, Patrick Jackson, to discuss how the existence of a surveillance network of extraterrestrial spheres might connect to so many of the paranormal mysteries we experience today. Including that of poltergeist activity. This conversation really could change the way you view the entirety of the UFO phenomenon...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, you know what that music means. Welcome back in to UAP. Stephen Dean. We're back with you here, as always, on the Unidentified Alien podcast for episode number 150. A little mini milestone there. So glad to have you back. And thanks for coming back.

Always appreciated. And I'm glad you came back today because this is something that really, really struck my curiosity. And I got to tell you, it caught me off guard. So this is a classic case, this episode here,

is a classic case of you expect something when you go into it and it turns into something completely different. You never expected it to turn out the way it did at all, but you're so happy it did. And that's exactly what happened when I went on to Twitter on X to do a spaces conversation. If you've never done one of those, I've been a part of it. I'm going to date myself here, but it's basically like an old like AOL chat room. Okay. So thinking back, you know, in the early 2000s, late 90s, when you would go into a chat room if you've never done a spaces on X before. That's essentially what it is.

You start a chat room and you bring people in to talk about a certain topic and have that conversation. So I did that on Sunday afternoon, this past Sunday afternoon, what was that, August the 10th. And I invited in an author and a researcher named Patrick Jackson. He has a book called the Sphere Network. And what he's done in the past is he has studied what he says is, is a network of spheres, what we would always call like the orb UFOs, like the Molseul orb, something like that as an example, which you actually will hear me bring up during this conversation. His research says that those spheres are part of a larger network, and there's three types of them.

And this conversation came up because of the recent work by Beatriz Villarreal and her partner, Dennis, where they have come out with this paper saying that there is this, essential network of spheres that orbits the Earth, and they've been up there for a long time, way before we even put up satellites, way before Russia put up Sputnik. So how are these objects up in space orbiting our planet if we didn't put them there? And that's the paper, I guess, research paper, is probably the best way to put it, that Beatrice and her partner, Dennis, put out within the past two or three weeks. And you've heard me bring it up before. I spoke with Kelly Chase about it, and I've brought it up here and there.

So I wanted to bring on someone who could talk about the subject with more knowledge than I have. And Patrick Jackson was one of those people because he's literally written the book on it about 10 years ago. And he was very intrigued by the work that Beatrice came out with because it really kind of verified and vindicated the work that he's done talking about this mysterious sphere network over the past 10 years with his work on it. So I thought, let's have this conversation. Let's see what we can learn. And I'm so happy I did. And I'm really excited to bring it to you today because we go into things that I was not expecting, like how this relates to poltergeist activity. Didn't see that happening.

But I got to tell you, it fascinated the heck out of me. And there really could be a connection here of maybe a case of mistaken identity. So we go into the three different types of spheres and how each one connects in this, you know, supposedly vast. network that has actually been going on a lot longer than I would have ever thought. We connect a lot of dots here than I never considered, and I think maybe you might learn something new or at least consider something new here today during this episode, during this conversation. So this was taken literally straight off of the Twitter spaces conversation. So it's going to sound a little different.

It's going to kind of sound like a phone conversation. So I excuse that part, but it's not like garbled or anything like that. It doesn't break up. So it's not like it's really hard to listen to. It's just it doesn't sound like a normal episode But I think I'm really the only one who pays attention to that because I'm such a I'm so OCD when it comes to sound But that's neither here nor there I'm gonna let you listen now to this conversation

And then come back with some afterthoughts because I definitely have some and I do plan on having Patrick back on the episode here Officially outside of a Twitter spaces conversation But I'm certainly happy we got to start off with this so here's myself and Patrick Jackson The Revelations of the Sphere Network enjoy this one wow What was your reaction when you saw the study come out from Beatrice and to her partner, Dennis, and they come out with this study talking about these spheres that might be orbiting the Earth. And this was happening before Sputnik and the satellite age. What popped into your head when you saw that come out?

Well, I was quite relieved because I've been asking the academic community to help for a long time. and just got a wall of silence from them. So it was quite a surprise to hear this study come out. And when I heard it, it was like, well, yeah, it makes sense. It appears to be what I figured it out to be. It's incredible. I mean, this is something that you've studied for a while, right? Yeah, I would say since 2015, really, but, like, properly.

But before then, I was kind of like researching the paranormal anyway. that UFOs were going on 20 years. What led you to believe that this was something that might be happening where some type of surveillance or whatever the case may be of that these spheres might be out there orbiting the earth and it might have been happening for a long time? What was kind of your first clue that made you look into it all those years ago? Well, my first interest primarily was poli-geist.

That was what I was really interested in because I had experience. some weird stuff growing up and I just wanted to see if I could figure it out. I mean for a living I mean I work in like IT and database architecture and the development and there's a lot of reverse engineering in that and I kind of figured well if I can kind of do this stuff anyway at work when I just apply it to the paranormal or you know you a PEP stuff so I just decided to pick on Poldy Guys because that was like the most common like paranormal stuff out there and I decided to to rent the most

violent poltergeist location in, I think, the UK and somewhere like Europe, a place called 30-use drive. And I was there for like four or five days. And when I went in there, all hell broke loose. So it was, it was, I mean, I went in there with an open mind thinking it could just be, you know, crap, you know, might just be fake or whatever. But within 15 minutes, it was like, oh, it's not. This is actually legit. And that kind of what, what, what, got me and then i thought well it's just like any puzzle really has got to figure it out and i just treated it like a normal reverse engineering project at work it's wild what what kind of uh i guess kind of go back here a little bit just because i'm kind of interested i always find the

origins of someone's interest in this topic to be really interesting so what what kind of experience did you have that made you think whoa there's there's something going on here i need to figure what's happening in the building within 15 minutes have been in the building and the building is completely sealed it's come it's like all contained inside the house and it's only small it's like literally it's just a tiny up up you know tiny lounge and tiny staircase and tiny bedrooms it's really a small place and we're all upstairs and um i just said you know is anyone there kind of thing you know and uh downstairs the cold shed door bangs like eight times and I recorded it on tape as well.

And everyone goes running down there, and it all stopped. And while that happened, there was marbles being whizzing past my face. I could feel a marble, literally scrape my face as I, as I standing there. So there was like multiple actions all occurred at once around the building. This is really interesting, actually, Patrick. And I know, you know, we're going to talk about the spheres, and that's the original idea. But if we can mix a couple things together here, that would be really good because this subject is actually something I've looked into for a little while,

just kind of on the back burner, casually looked into any type of connection that there might be between poltergeist activity and what we understand as the UFO phenomenon. And this is actually a conversation that I had with Matt Ford from the Good Trouble Show. He and I, it wasn't anything on air. He and I were at contact in the desert along with many other people who were there. there and uh it just one of those things that worked out we got to talk to each other for a while and he was telling me about um the experiences he started to have that in his house kind of what you're saying where it started to resemble something of poltergeist activity like

he felt somebody in his room and wouldn't open his eyes to look around to see who it was like it's that type of thing or like there was like knocks in his house and he he wouldn't he didn't investigated further because he knew it was something that wasn't good. It wasn't normal. So what kind of connections are we seen here do you think? Because it's not something that gets brought up a lot. How you got to look at it is like if you if you can match the patterns in one building, then you can match the patterns in all of them. So you, so as I said, I was in the most violent portuguese in the UK building for a few days. And I couldn't understand. In the beginning it didn't make any sense to me because lots of weird things happen, like electronically, physically, physical actions,

things moving around, banging, knocking, whatever. Lots of weird electronic effects. And also I got brain swelling as well while I was in the place. And the thing is, the thing is, this is not the actions of dead people. Like humans have a very particular behavior pattern, and it didn't match that at all. It was actually, it matched the patterns of machines or AI, basically. So it would basically trigger, for whatever reason, it would trigger, it would power up, it would cause a diversion, and then it will shut down again. And that's how it kept repeating.

And people have seen the same event happened many times before and many times since. It's just the people, at least the general public domain, perceive this stuff as evil spirits or hauntings when it's not. Right. What you have is a small silver sphere, type 3 size of a baseball. And these have been caught on camera, been caught on video camera. You can see them under IR as well. And what they do, they have basically like small transponders, like drones that operate in buildings. But they don't just operate in buildings.

They operate anywhere where the, which allows the electronic signature to be hidden. So it could even operate, say, under a bridge, maybe in a cave. like a hole in the ground, stuff like that. But when they root through populate areas, they will root through urban areas. They will use buildings. And just like any network, like our own cellular network, it will go where it needs to go,

not really where it would like to go. So it has to go where it needs to go. And in case of 30 East Drive, it routes right through that and that building. So what it really happens is you have these little drones in the building. most of the time they're sort of, you know, 20, 23 hours of the day, they just fly about and no one knows that there. But then once a signal comes down, they, because that transponders, they will fire up. They will jump into, they will basically come online and then they'll start relaying microwaves and gamma rays.

Which then what that means is they will cause diversions to move you away from the source, which is themselves. So in the case of study, you strive, the sphere is. operating in the attic or on the upper floors on the second floor and what it does it will bang the coal shed door which is downstairs which if you look at the the layer of the house is actually the most shielded part of the building so it's the safest part of the building in other words so what it does it bangs the door everyone everyone in the building goes running down to have a look he was banging and then it can relay it can transmit as a result this This is like in alignment with the inverse squirrel or radiation,

where the further away it is, the safer it becomes. But during this time when I was there, I didn't run, because I said I wanted to see what's going on. And so as the last one to come down, and I got, that's when I got brain swelling. So the only thing that replicates brain swelling in that format, kind of way, is gamma radiation bursts. Just to back up a bit,

this is also kind of explained spontaneous human combustion as well. Because if these objects are producing high energy, gamma radiation and microwave radiation, well, if the energy levels high enough, you will just pop. You will just catch on fire and burn out in two seconds, literally in a heartbeat. So I think that's why they cause these diversions to move people away because it's safe. So move people out of the way. That's kind of the thinking behind it. And this is actually evidence of artificial intelligence because what it's doing,

it kind of knows where you are. It's measuring the distance, it's measuring, you know, the radiation effect. It then causes an action to move you to it. It waits to you get there and then it relays. So that's just what they call rule-based artificial intelligence. It's an incredible thought. You mentioned spontaneous combustion.

That's a phenomenon that's happened for multiple decades. So are we, can we imply that if this is something that is connected to it, how long have these spheres been going around in, you know, buildings and such? I mean, we're talking decades then. Oh, no, not longer than that. I reckon, well, from, you see, you can measure how long this has been going on for by, just by Googling. When was the first report of polter guys' activity, like proper report of it?

And it goes back to, I think, the first century. Wow. So, I mean this network has been, yeah, this network has been, since the first century. Oh my gosh. So what would be the purpose of this? I mean, if we're talking ancient times

versus modern times or maybe whoever controls these things doesn't look at it that way, but I don't know. I mean, obviously they would notice different patterns and changes in human life and societal evolution

if they're surveilling, per se. So what is the purpose of something like this, do you think, after the research that you've done? Well, the type three is, the underpinning data network.

They're basically like a group of relays or like cell towers in a way. So they basically are the underlying data network. There is a line of sight and it's using a versory laying. And then it's using the building to shield the emissions. So the idea of that is when they're broadcasting, the building itself will absorb the distray emissions, which makes it highly undetectable. So the idea of it is that the smaller type 3,

which is about the size of a baseball will relay up to the type 2s, which are the ones that the US government is talking about over Iraq and over these other countries and even flying around America. And they basically fly about tree-stop level, maybe a bit higher. And what they do is they link down to the type 3s in the buildings. That's the reason why they're low, because they're basically receiving a low energy signal from the 3s. So a little bit bigger than the class 3, if you will, or the side 3.

So something like that would be maybe an example would be like the Mosul orb. Would that be a good example? Yeah, yeah, that's right. So what I'm doing is it's linking down to the type 3 is with a low energy signal and then amplifying that signal or data link to a much higher energy level, which means it can go further. So then the type 2 is what they appear to do is either daisy chain onto another type 2 because it's like it depends on how far the distance is from the type 3 and data network.

to the actual V formation, the target they're trying to intercept. So if the type 3 network is fairly local, all it needs is one type 2, so it will just link to that, then the type 2 will link up to type 1 deformation, which is big triangles in the sky. Borough is further up in the sky or really high up or whatever, it will then daisy chain across the sky. So what you'll see is these big silver spheres in a big line, daisy chaining over, say, mountains or hills or,

over the topology. And yeah, that's what it appears to be. In fact, if anyone who is good at computer networking will spot it a mile away. It's incredible. I mean, this sphere network that B.HRES has talked about, that would kind of be the master network, if you will. That's where all the signals, the information is going,

these spheres that are in Earth's orbit? Yeah. So what you have, you have, so you have the type threes, Then have the type 2s, which are the intermediary relays. And then you have the type 1v formation, which are much larger sphere is about that much bigger about the size of beach ball a bit bigger. And they operate in big triangle formations. And what they're doing is a mathematical process.

So also back up a little bit. By observing the formations that they're producing, you can reverse engineer what they're doing by mathematics. Interesting. Okay. So I really like when math can get involved. not that I'm a math whiz by any means, but I say that because when math is involved,

it's almost almost becomes empirical in a way where you're talking about actual mathematical equations and evidence on something that you can prove through math. So how can we do that and what is found out through math when it comes to this phenomenon? So what it's doing is a thing called triliteration, which is using three points, in a triangle formation to track objects in space.

So the three points, the V formation itself is tracking objects in space in a 2D format. So it's picking up two dimensions. And then the fourth reference point at the back, which is sphere center at the back, is doing the distance calculation. So what's happening is when you combine all that data together, like you fuse all that data together,

you get three-dimensional tracking in space. In other words, it's a very high resolution targeting system in space. And there's mathematicians who have looked at this, and there's one in here tonight, actually, who's looked at it and agreed with the math. So, you know, when people say, oh, you know, there's no evidence for it, this math. It's just math, you know. So we're talking about actual mathematic evidence here, Patrick, that shows something's being mapped. Like, that's not even a question at this point.

Like it shows something's being surveilled and mapped and and tracked. It's been tracked, yeah. So what is being tracked? Do we know what's being tracked? Is it, is it's, I mean, I wouldn't even know where to start on that. What can we say that these things would be tracking? External craft. Say that one more time?

External craft. Oh, okay, external craft. So we're talking what? Just like, and excuse the ignorance, but like, passenger, jets or military military jets what are we looking at external space space craft like other guys who are coming to earth in their craft i see okay so we're talking actual like non-human craft coming in and out yeah so who's doing the tracking do you think who's tracking these non-human craft i don't know he's tracking it but all i can tell you is that um it it's

It's a, how the architecture lays out is it's ground-based. And therefore, the infrastructure for all this system, because it's a global network, must operate or must be controlled from within mountains or underground, and probably be both. Because this network is a vast system. And it requires, I mean, the drone, the spheres themselves are just drones. They are like endpoints and effect. So all the actual processing is going on underground.

or inside mountains. So it's kind of hidden in plain sight, I think. Yeah. And so what happened you see the type 1 spheres would detect an object coming into our atmosphere. They signal down to the type 3s. The type 3 network will then come online and then start relaying that signal across to where it is controlled from. They will then process that, come up with some sort of execution plan,

who will then relay it back up to the spheres up in the atmosphere, will then triangulate and destroy it. It's incredible. And the whole process takes about 45 seconds from what I can tell. Do we know of any craft that have been destroyed through this process? Yeah, yeah, there's been caught camera, yeah. Really, calling you? So, have you seen some of this or have you been told about it?

Yeah, no, I've seen it. And the thing is, is, I mean, I've even got a video on my profile here. I've got like a night vision camera and you can see deep space flashes in space. And they're too high to be aircraft. They're like deep, deep, deep in space. And they're big flashes. And it's not all like one object flashing like in one place. It's a cluster, which means that they're intercepting eight or nine objects at once.

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It picks no sides. It just knocks out rockets, probably to keep things a bit more, you know, less heated over there. But they've been seen over Israel and over other countries such as I am as well, knocking out rockets coming and going. So it appears that they're just trying to keep a lid on things and dealing with external threats as well. Because if there is, if these ultra-tressials do live here and stuff, if we start unleashing nuclear weapons, it's going to affect them as well. So it's kind of like they interject when things get a bit too heated. And that's what it sounds like, Patrick. That's what something I was thinking about was this doesn't really, to me, just on the surface, it doesn't sound like this would be set up by somebody and controlled by somebody who is off planet.

This sounds like something that is being done inside of Earth. And I use inside on purpose. Would that make sense? Yeah, 100%. Like subterranean or inside of a mountain, something along these lines. That's correct. Yeah, as I said, it appears to be a ground-based system that's operating in mountains or under the ground. In fact, Skinwalker is one of the locations where the sea is deployed from.

And I've seen pictures of them coming at the ground. And the thing is, is when they're digging under Skinwalker, they got to about 500 feet. And they started hitting what appears to be, you know, artificial materials, which could be the walls of underground facilities. So you'd need server rooms. You'd need, you know, computers. You'd need networking all across the world, really, all over the world. And that's what it appears to be. Wow.

Yeah. this would take a super sophisticated network of artificial intelligence to be able to do something like this, I would think. Oh, yeah, 100%. And the thing is, is that what makes me laugh, but as well is you hear these people saying, all these spheres are like reverse engineered and American technology or whatever, and they are not. Because there's pictures going back to World War II with them, the same formation, same processes. You know, there's pictures from 1970 of the spheres type 2 and the, type ones in the same formations. To replicate so what these things can do require such a

different levels of technology that we just can't replicate any of it. The power source, for example, we can't replicate. You know, then you've got the networking. You need, it's like wireless microwave based networking on small objects. So you don't have these big dishes. You have these are all on small objects about the size of baseballs and bowling balls, you know, that's a kind of size. So the compactness of the technology is way beyond us, the energy source is way beyond us, the AI is way beyond us. The speed of it is beyond us. And these spheres can go from zero to Mac 2 in a heartbeat. So it's, yeah, so when people say this is like a reverse engineer system, no, it's not.

So a lot of the things, and by the way, I'll open up the questions for anybody who has questions in just a little bit. but I'm like super and fascinated right now, so I have a bunch of questions myself, but for anybody with questions, I will open it up here in just a little while. But we're talking about them, Patrick, then, like we said, the Mosul Orb, some of these other spheres or orbs that are seen, maybe and maybe this is not the same thing,

but if we think about the New Jersey drone phenomenon, which wasn't just New Jersey, it was a lot of the East Coast, Virginia, even into Ohio when you're talking about the Midwest, but all these different things, would some or all these things connect to what we're talking about here? Kind of, yeah.

So the Mosulob is a type 2 sphere. They all look the same. They all fly the same. They will operate the same altitude. So it's the same thing. Regarding the New Jersey drones, yeah, again, the real drones, the spheres are performing the same,

formations and processes as they are all over the world. But what they've done is they have also, what the US are doing is they're using their own drones as well to keep an eye on what's going on. So intermingled with all those lights, you have US military drones. Probably running, I mean, from what I can tell, they're running on fuel cell technology

because it gives them high energy and long, duration right it's certainly not batteries and it certainly isn't petrol or anything like that right or get fuel you know so it's using um what looks to be fuel cell technology uh which gives them maybe five at four or five hours the later time um maybe longer but they but they appear to be keeping an eye on uh the spheres in fact what i know is is um that the new jersey drones they have will look to be FAA lights on them. Yeah. So what it appears to be is, and also the CIRs don't.

Right. So what it appears to be is that the, the U.S. drones are following the spheres around and then sort of given them FAA lights to keep other aircraft out the way, making like a, you know, on the sense. So it kind of like using those lights to warn other aircraft to keep away from that particular area. That's what it appears to be. Wow. So that's how all that would connect.

Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty wild because, you know, it's just not something that, at least I don't see the connection very often. We're always trying to figure out where are these things coming from. You know, again, the Mosul Orb, we think, okay, this is some type of alien technology. That's surveillance. And that could be the case. But we're talking about something that if it's, if it's alien, so to speak, meaning just not known to us or foreign to us, then it would be something that's

happening here on Earth. It's not coming from outside of this Earth. A lot of these spheres are actually coming from ground-based systems like you're talking about. And that's kind of an idea that's, I wouldn't say it's not brought up, but it's not brought up as much as some of the other ones. Well, the numbers can really give it away. Like, I think it's like 54% of all UFO sightings are Sears. which means that they're not flying from somewhere else that they're being deployed from here. What about some of these triangles, Patrick?

You mentioned something that kind of caught my ear when you talked about the triangle formation with the spheres. I immediately think about the Phoenix Lights from 1997. Are we looking at that being a triangle formation of these spheres? I mean, it could be, but how it works, appears to work, is, Let's say you have the type 2 and then you have a single type 1's V formation which consists of three spheres. They are larger.

They are, they, the way you identify them is that they operate as a triangle that is in complete, in perfect sync with each other. So they move around as one. So it might look like a flat triangle, then it'll come up on its side and then rotate around, pivot around. And they're equal distance apart. And then they have to be equal distance apart because of the mathematics, the processing. how it works. But that's what they are. Regarding the Phoenix Light,

there could be, I don't know, but it could have been maybe three or four classes of them. It could be, but people, I haven't really seen any really good footage of it. I mean, people say they saw a big fee-shaped craft, but people say all sorts. So I don't know about the Phoenix Lights, to be honest.

Yeah, it's interesting to consider for sure. where can people see some of your your work and some of the things that you've released it's all on x everything is on x yeah so you got the book i made the book nice and cheap as i could it's yeah not ten dollars and it's and it's i would say there's more data in that book than any documentary you've seen in the last 10 years um it's uh and also because it's mathematics as well and it's all modeled, it will tell you, it is what it is. It's reverse engineered through mathematics. And so it's performing triliteration.

It's intercepting space-based vehicles. And that's what it's doing. And it's probably been doing that for a long, long time. Yeah. It's incredible thing about, why do you think they would, whoever these beings are, why would they be doing it? is it just a vested interest in the planet? And they know that we can't do this stuff and have been able to do it for a long time.

And we're still a little bit away from being able to do so. So this is like them stepping up to make sure everything's good. I mean, I don't know. I think it's just like any military, like the U.S. military. If there was a bunch of unknown jets coming towards the U.S., they would send their own military up. And if they don't respond, they'll shoot them down. But it's the same kind of thing.

You know, it's just more advanced. It's just a much more advanced network. I wanted to go back a little bit to what you said about this fear is being seen over Israel and Iran and, you know, kind of like taking out missiles and things like that in the past. I actually have heard that story myself last year before the actual Israeli war with Iran a couple months ago. when Iran was shooting missiles toward Israel, I was told about reports from very good sources, people who actually would know these things, that told me, they said, hey, you know, these spheres came out of nowhere and were hovering in the sky on the border of Iran. And they made like this trapezoidal shape and started spinning. and it destroyed some of these missiles that were coming across before they got to Israel. I was like, well, that's pretty wild.

I mean, that sounds like some type of, you know, non-human intervention, whatever it might have been. So are we, is this what we're talking about then? It sounds like the same thing. Yeah. Incredible. So again, they do this just essentially with something like that would be to try to stop conflict. Well, it's a vested interest. So like if it goes nuclear in it.

between say Israel and Iran, then it goes nuclear everywhere. Yeah. So if by knocking out those missiles, they, say, if the ultra-tressers live here, then they don't want, they don't want the planets go to be smashed by nuclear weapons. So it's like we just knock them out. So, man, yeah, it's something. I never really kind of put two and two together personally. And shame on me for that when it comes to this part.

of the phenomenon. We always kind of just think about, okay, this is aliens. And when we're talking about, you know, the grays or whoever it might be, the Nordics or the Palladians, like we think of the, we think outside of Earth, I guess is what I'm trying to get at. But to think that this would be something

that's coming from inside Earth, a ground-based platform from a different race of beings that are here, it's really quite something. Yeah, and I don't think it's that hard to figure out. I mean, once, if, I mean, I detected the 1.6 gigahertz coming from 30 East Drive as things were happening in the house. And also, 1.72 as well, which is the same thing that's picking up at Skinwalker. So it's like that you can, I don't think it's that hard to figure out.

It's just, it's just people have been looking in the wrong directions. Like the UFO community never really engaged with the paranormal community. in the paranormal community you think it's all dead people and spirits yeah it's not and so the the two areas got completely separated um and i just went in there and just sort with a technical brain and said you know okay what would this be and once once once you break the the the puzzle of the type threes it of the rest of it just clicks into space it clicks it all clicks together it really is simple once once you identify what's causing it is simple i mean i'll tell you how simple it is once you notice the these small silver balls in haunted buildings and

this is all haunted buildings across the world but number one you're they need three things they need a propulsion system or energy system they need a network and they need AI so when you when you think about it these little silver balls they are they're not using petrol that they're using some sort of exotic energy system probably very high energy as well. Number two, it needs a network. So I went looking for a network and I found one. All you have to do is map all the haunted buildings in the country, in the UK, for example. And they all operate in lines and clusters, which mirrors our own microwave-based communication networks. And then what you have, you have an AI. So that's what it's doing in the building.

When it powers up, it's measuring where you are and then moving your way, it's clearing the area before it broadcasts, which is a rule-based artificial intelligence. What's been happening for a long time mainstream media is they go to these buildings and they'll hear a little bit of you know something will happen here and there um and someone will faint and they they blame it all on spirits and stuff and then they go to the next one and then it goes on series after series but there's no real investigation there's no real there's no real think i think thought process about it so you know the reason for example why people feel sick and faint in these buildings is not because of evil spirits attacking them is because they're getting radiation emission exposure.

And so they're fainting. That's what happens. Wow. Wow. So, yeah, this could actually be something that you, it's measurable. It's a measurable frequency that proves kind of your, your theory about this. And it has been measured. Yeah.

Yeah, we have got the data on there. And also other researchers have got data on that as well. As one mentioned in my book, and I have the graph that you produced. And you can see gamma radiation and microwave vests, which is exactly what I'm, which is what it is. Is it possible, Patrick, too, and maybe this is something that you've done already or, or have looked into doing, but is it possible to measure against, say, actual, um, supernatural phenomena where it is a spirit of, of some sort? and measure that against what you're finding when it comes to these type 3 spheres and see what type of frequencies each are giving off. So you actually have that data that each one is different and shows a different type of frequency.

Is that possible? Well, I just look at the numbers. So in the UK, every day, 1,800 people die. Right? But every month, the number of haunted locations does not change. The same places that were haunted five years ago are the same today. There's no increase or decrease. It just stays the same, which suggests that there is no spirit-based hauntings going on anywhere.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist or whatever. I'm just saying statistically it doesn't look like that way. And so, yeah, it's just that we've misinterpreted it as that. Huh, that's really interesting. Make 2026 your year with Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linen, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand?

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and other parts will be more dynamic. So for example, 30-use drive is very rigid. So that place has been haunted for going on 15. years. And they've had a whole army of priests and all sorts going to it and nothing doesn't change anything. But then you have other locations that are something called out, you know, it will go off one night and then never happen again. So what that kind of shows you is that these drones, they are mobile. They can fly about. So it means that the network itself can move around to its needs. So what it means is it is that the more central parts of all the,

yeah, the central parts of the network are more rigid and the outer levels of it are more, dynamic. So that's why you have buildings that never had any history, that suddenly come active and then maybe for a week or two and they completely stop. While other buildings are completely just active all the time. Yeah, it's something because I think a lot of people would hear that and say, well, you know, that's not right. You shouldn't be discounting, you know, different experiences. People have. And just to play devil's advocate, I'm not saying, you know, towards what you're saying that it's, you're wrong what you're saying, but just for people who have experienced different

supernatural activity, how do they reconcile which ones which, right? What they're feeling, what they're seeing versus this sphere network that you're talking about. So there's two elements to it, really. So what I talk about predominantly is poltergeist activity, which is the same patterns all over the world. It's the same kind of activity you see in a building in London, or replicate in America and so forth. Then what you have are people who are saying they're saying figures walking around and so forth. They're hearing footsteps and whatnot. Now there is a side to this that is a little bit more complicated. But I mean, it's something I'm delving into, but it's a bit tricky

at a moment. But what I noticed was that in these buildings like in Dead East Drive and others, you keep finding marbles and objects like on the floor, like you'll find an orange in the middle of the living room or an apple or mostly marbles the most common one and people have actually recorded these objects like literally flying through just the ceiling just dropping out the ceiling through just through nowhere yeah so when you look at this from an IT point of view from a technical point of view it's like okay what's going on there well there's a process that's been tested on an inanimate objects right which means that you're testing and you're testing something before you send someone through.

So it appears, I mean, from what I can just tell, and I can't completely prove this yet, but I'm working on it, but is that these spheres can do what I call an insert and extract process, which means that they can insert and extract people from buildings. And what it appears to be is that they can, and I've seen video of what looks to be like a figure, literally dropping out the ceiling and then walking off. And you can see the shadow of it up against the wall.

So like teleportation? Kind of, yeah. I suppose that's one way you can describe it. But what it appears to be is that it's almost like this, it sounds crazy, but it's almost like a subway station. You know, you get on one and then you go to another location and so forth. And that's what it kind of looks like. I mean, I'm still working on it, but those figures, what people see are, have been misinterpreted by the paranormal community as dead people or dead people or dead people. dead this and that, you know.

But in fact, it appears to be just another group using this system, and they use stealth technology and effects. So we're talking about non-humans who are using this and moving about? Yes, completely. Do you think this is something that has been used, Patrick, by the U.S. governments or other world governments. Is this technology that has been acquired and used on a human level, do you think? I have heard a funny, a couple of funny stories, actually.

This was, I heard this, because I got my Instagram, I talked to a lot of people who are doing, you know, tests and experiments and, you know, in these buildings and whatever. And one told me that they were laying on the couch in the in 30th East Drive And this woman walked up to him And she And this is like inside a lot building You know, the house was the door was locked And this woman walked up to him

And she was wearing a uniform And then there was a flash of light And she disappeared And so I looked up to Space Force uniform Yeah, I looked up space force uniform and it matches. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah.

So I've heard a couple of stories as well. Like there was one, a TV producer actually told me, said they went to this location and the people there said, we went upstairs and this guy appeared in our shower. Like literally to stand there looking confused. And it was like this like a soldier or some sort. So they could be using this or test. it or something, I don't know, or working with them, maybe. But, yeah, I'm hearing funny stories. Wow.

It sounds like some type of testing. I mean, like, like real, some type of, you know, real world testing going on. That's, that's unbelievable. Well, yeah, and that's what you would do. Once you come aware of it, that's what you would have to do. Well, it's fascinating stuff. So I guess I'll just bring it back around to the, you know, the sphere conversation that Beatrice has brought up in the past couple of weeks. This is, she's talking about the master network then.

Do you think this is something that she might agree. I know you guys were talking about speaking. I don't know if you have yet just on a personal conversation. Do you think this is something that she would put two and two together and say, yeah, this makes sense? this sphere network orbiting in in you know around earth is actually working with these smaller spheres and this is how it connects and everything that you've gone over well um from what i from from from looking at her data uh what she she is detecting is the type 1 v formation is up in the atmosphere so she's just she's picking up uh three um objects in a v formation uh a triplets

that's that's what it appears to be but she's she's going to do some more digging on that i spoke to her today actually okay so it's she's gonna do some more digging on that I mean that from a from a scientific point of view what she can do is tell you what they're picking up on the on the data up in the atmosphere however I mean I wrote a paper for Stanford University and a professor asked me to do that and I didn't get any response back and I I showed that paper today and they were very impressed. So there you go. So this is being picked up academically. I mean, we're seeing that now. Oh, yeah. Well, it's been picked up academically for a few years. Yeah. It's just not in a public domain.

So do you feel like the academic community, maybe not as a whole, but at least partially, is starting to come with terms that we're dealing with non-human technology and we have to try to figure out why that might be. Do you think someone that I'm going through a level of ontological shock a little bit of trying to figure out, okay, how do we reconcile with this? Because we don't have all the answers, and apparently these things really are going on. Potentially, yeah. I did when I figured it out back 15, 2015. Yeah. I had the shakes for the first time of my life. I actually started shaking. So, yeah, once it dawns on you, it's like quite a, quite a, quite a, quite a,

a bomb going off in your head. But once you get it, though, it's easy to deal with. It's just one of those things. And you could do understand, with SpaceX and stuff, we're going to be landing on Mars and other planets and the next, within some of our lifetimes and definitely our children's lifetime, is this is going to be common knowledge. This is going to be just part of everyday life.

Yeah. Wow. Just incredible stuff, Patrick. I think it really adds kind of a new, not kind of, it does add a new wrinkle to this entire discussion, I think, and it's something that's absolutely worth attention because we got to try to connect the dots and, you know, to figure out as much as we can. And I think that the bottom line is for those of us who are really serious about it, and I include myself in that, we want answers and we want to try to figure it out. It's about investigating. It's about putting together the different claims and the different stories and the things that makes sense and trying to connect A to B to Z and see what happens in between. So I think this is a big part of it, Patrick.

And I'm glad we got to do this today. You said a lot of your stuff is on your ex account for people who want to follow along. Links to your book. Links to your research is all all there on your profile. Cool there. All there. All that. Perfect.

really, really fascinating stuff here today, Patrick. Thanks. Like I said, I'm glad we got together on this. I'm glad this could work out today. And thank you for your time today to do this. This was educational, to say the least, and really, really enjoyed this conversation. Yeah, yeah, no problem.

Thanks for everybody for joining. Really enjoyed having you all in here. I hope everybody had a good time listening and take something away from it and look forward to more conversations like this in the future. Thanks, everybody. And that was good. I have to say, if it was my opinion, if I'm the one listening, I would come off of that saying,

man, that was crazy. That was really good. So hopefully you enjoyed it as much as I did. Some of the things that came to mind, though, that have really stuck with me over the past couple of days, one of them talking about, again, these types of orbs and how it connects to this supposed poltergeist activity. What is real poltergeist activity versus this supposed sphere network? It's an angle that I had never considered before, literally until having this conversation. And then talking about going back into the first century, this sphere network. You know, who is this race?

What is this race that is using this network to monitor our progress, to monitor what we do on earth, outside of Earth, or even things that aren't us coming in from outside of Earth? There's so much to consider here. And I did ask the question about, you know, what could. be government related. And Patrick, I thought, made a compelling case for why this wouldn't be reverse engineer technology from the government, because we have to think outside of the spectrum of the past 70 or 80 years. His hypothesis, his theory, his research even, says that this goes back, you know, 1,800 to

2,000 years. So it wouldn't be our government if it goes back to the first century. So that's one thing you have to consider when we talk about, well, this is obviously, you know, government-related, this is military stuff, this is, you know, space force where they're using these things to shoot down, you know, out-of-earth objects, whatever those might be. And that could be the case now, for sure, for some cases. But if we're talking about pre-space force, pre-military, pre-launching satellites into Earth's orbit, then it's something else from somebody else.

And that's kind of the overall arching point of view from this episode and from Patrick's research. It's really quite something. And from Beatrice Villariel's research as well with the paper that she came out with. This is going to prove, I think, to be one of the most revolutionary ideas that's come out in euphology in recent history. It's really something and it's hard to ignore, which is why I've been spending time on it. I think it's really groundbreaking. And how about how he's used math to help prove some of these theories and also how it connects back to Skin Walkers and the frequency that Skinwalkers give off. I mean, again, the unexpected connections here.

I did not go into this conversation expecting any of these things, but that's the beauty of a live conversation. You never know where it's going to go, and it was really something. And then towards the end there, how about that story? Because, you know, asking about the government connection. And I'm glad I did because he said, you know, I've heard a couple of funny things lately about people appearing out of nowhere in people's apartments and one of them wearing what would be looked at as a space force.

uniform. So again, we can say now absolutely. We can say that maybe some of these things connect to modern day military. If we are reverse engineering some of this technology in the modern day, I would not be surprised at all. And we're experimenting within and we're trying to master this technology for teleportation or, you know, whatever it might be. That absolutely makes sense, which would, you know, connect to those stories about these people appearing in this person's shower or in their apartment. It's just wild stuff. And, It also kind of makes you think about does this, and I didn't bring it up, and I was in the back of my head, but I never got to bring it up. But it makes you kind of think about MH370 and the orbs, right?

The orb circling the plane that Ashton Forbes has talked about forever and put out those videos. Maybe this is something to do with it. I don't know, but I couldn't help but at least think of that in the back of my head. Of course, we spoke about the drone connection. So there's so many things that this kind of felt like a missing link when I was done with this conversation. And even during it, it felt like a missing. link, this dot in the middle of a connected dots puzzle that was unseen this entire time, at least for me. And now that dot is there, that link is there. And I think it helps to at least

bring up some possible answers to a lot of these questions that we have into these sightings, into these experiences. Maybe some of this stuff does actually go back. Maybe this is an origin story for a lot of different sightings and unexplained phenomenon. It was incredible. I'm really happy we got to have that conversation. And I was excited to bring that one to you today. And I hope it intrigued you as much as it intrigued me. And there's going to be much more to come. Like I said, I'll have Patrick back on here another time.

And we'll talk about this further because there was a lot more that I wanted to get to. So we'll do that in the future. And we'll be back with more UAP in the future for episode 151. I know I mentioned it a couple weeks ago. We've been trying to coordinate our schedules. He's a busy guy. Anthony Williams is planned to come back on here. very soon to UAP.

So stick around for Anthony Williams to make his triumphant return. I'll say, and he'll get a kick out of that. It's been a while, actually. It's, I don't even know, four, five, six months since Anthony's been able to come back on here. So I'm sure he's going to have a ton of stuff to update us on from the military intelligence world. So I absolutely look forward to speaking with Anthony Williams. And I will say this, I don't know what he has in store. I actually asked him, don't tell me.

Don't tell me what you have. you know, kind of on the docket there for yourself that you want to talk about the things that you want to bring on here to UAP, because I want to find out in real time with you. I want to be able to react in real time and not know ahead of time what he's going to talk about. So I'm looking for it. I have no idea what he's going to talk about, but we're going to talk again soon. So stay up to date on that and everything else coming up on UAP by following along by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts on all the big platforms to search for UAP and also on social media at UAP.

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