UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: Questioning Past Lives & Future Humans - Jordan Crowder part 2

Episode Date: July 5, 2026

In the conclusion of their conversation, Stephen Diener speaks with Jordan Crowder about everything ranging from his remote viewing abilities, his near death experience, and what the reasons would be behind aliens crashing here on earth. Plus, what could be so powerful about UFO secrets that even adversarial nations have agreed to keep it all under wraps? All of this and so much more is covered during this fascinating interview...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Yes, welcome back into UAP for episode number 172. Stephen Dean are back with you here. As always, on the Unidentified Alien podcast. So happy to be back to finish off this conversation with a good buddy here at Jordan Crowder. Really great to meet him and was so happy to talk to him for as long as we did, almost an hour and a half actually when we recorded this interview a few days ago. So now we get to finish it off here with part two. And it picks up right where we left off at the end of part one. And we pick up actually going into the topic, going into the conversation about remote viewing.

Because during the course of the conversation with Jordan, I found out that he was a student at the Monroe Institute, which is basically the, I guess you could say, the main university, if you will, the main school when it comes to teaching things like remote viewing and how to kind of harness that ability. Joe McMonigal is someone you're going to hear about. Now, you should be familiar with him, I would think. But if not, that's fine too. We did a couple of episodes on him a couple of years, maybe about last year or so. And we get into Joe McMonagel and why he is important in the remote viewing topic and Jordan's actual conversations with Joe, because he is one of the main stalwarts there at the Monroe Institute.

So we get into what he learned there, what he learned from Joe. Pretty interesting stuff to say the least. And then we get into all the existential questions, right? The spiritual connections, consciousness, how does this all connect with the phenomenon? And also his own near-death experience. I didn't know that Jordan had a near-death experience again until we were talking, came up in the conversation. So I asked him basically what that was like. I mean, what did he learn from that?

And did he see anything from his other past lives that he also mentions in here? So, you know, there's a lot of self-discovery that Jordan has gone through. And whether or not you agree with some of the things that he says about, you know, the possibilities of past lives or, you know, anything else that we bring up here is always up to you. You don't have to agree with the idea of past lives or anything like that. It's just always keeping an open mind and having the conversation. And that's what I was glad I was able to do with Jordan here today.

And, you know, we get into some light conversation about time traveling and, you know, aliens and how we might humans, future humans might be the aliens, just different little things like that, no big deal. But it's all good stuff here with myself and Jordan Crowder to finish off this conversation, a lot of other things too, but I'll just let you hear it now and get into it. Part two of myself with Jordan Crowder. Really, really fun conversation, really deep. Enjoy it here on UAP. You mentioned Joe McMonagel a little while back when you were talking about your time at the Monroe Institute. That's a character, a person that I find extremely intriguing.

I've studied him a little bit. I did a few episodes on him specifically here on UAP about a year ago or so. And one of the things that I covered is probably one of the more famous things surrounding Joe is his remote viewing session on Mars that goes back, you know, reportedly a million years and having conversations with this dying civilization. What did you learn from Joe McMonagall? with your time with him? And did you guys talk about that at all?

What did you, did you discover anything about that famous Mars story that he has? It's so wild that you bring that up specifically because, yes, we, we spent a long time with him. He was, he was very generous of this time. He's an amazing person and we learned so much from him. And he taught us, I was in a small group, probably about 10 people and he taught us. And also just, just real quick, Jordan, can you explain right before you answer that? Can you just explain why, for anybody who doesn't know,

why Joe McMonagall is so well liked and important in this conversation for anybody who doesn't know his past real quick? Yeah. So, you know, going back to what we were talking about earlier with the CIA assessment and analysis of the gateway process. So he was at the very beginning of all this. They call him Agent 201. He was like one of the very, very first remote viewers in Project Stargate.

And just very accurate, very reliable, very credible, very trustworthy. You spend five minutes with this guy, you fall in love with him. He's just, he's a big teddy bear. He's so smart. He has so many amazing stories.

And his, his credentials are a mile long. So this is just somebody who is a very respected person in the intelligence community and the military community and just in the civilian world. And he's been a part of the kind

of psychic spy program since its inception. And he's still very, you know, he lives at the Monroe Institute. He has a house there. if I remember right, he married Bob Monroe's stepdaughter. Wow.

So he's even like kind of part of the family. He's very still much a part of that world and very generous with his knowledge and everything. So just a great guy. And yeah, whenever we were there talking to him, you know, after our training and everything, and it was wild. I mean, I nailed my first target and it blew my mind. It actually made me think that what I did was actually pre-cognitive. Like I think I saw the future as opposed to remote viewing, which was still. astonishing. But so afterwards we had like a Q&A with him and we got to basically ask him and I and I

got to go first and I told him. I said okay I have two questions for you. One's a softball and one's a fast ball fast pitch. I was like so depending on your mood you know do you want me to lobby the softball or give you the fast pitch and he's like no give me the fast pitch so I had just flat out asked him I said I said when you remote viewed Mars a million years ago and those people those tall beings that he remote viewed in this like pyramid type structure that were waiting on some sort of an escape craft or rescue craft to come back and get them. They said it had gone out to try to find a new world for them because their world was dying. And I said, okay, those people that left, do you think that the new world that they found was Earth? And do you think that they are our progenitors?

And do you think that that's what we would call like the Anunaki, you know, the beings that came from space that sort of hybridized themselves with, you know, these already evolving primates on Earth and created this new, you know, species of being, which we would call homo sapiens, humans. And he said, yes, just flat out. And I was like, yeah. So, and then he even elaborated. But yeah, it definitely, according to him and just his point of view, it seemed, I can't

put words in his mouth. This is just what, you know, I was told there, that it's very logical. to think that those beings that left Mars are the ones that have, you know, eventually came to be our progenitors. So we're a part of them. And that they're basically just this, you know, race of humanoid that had a dying planet and was looking for the next place. And people would be like, oh, okay, so why did they have to send out a search craft to find Earth? Earth's right next to them.

Well, at the time, Earth was wild. Earth was nuts. Like it was very volcanic, had dinosaurs all over it. It was spinning really fast. So they actually had to put the moon there to stabilize Earth and to give it seasons and to slow down the spin and terraform it and get rid of all the dinosaurs so that they could actually, you know, establish colonies and everything on Earth. So Earth wasn't just this like, let's hop over there and live. It was a completely non-habitable planet at that time. And a lot of work had to be done.

So, but yeah, it seems like that's a likely explanation for how we got here and why we're kind of so alien to this. earth. Wow. Well, and that's pretty wild to think about. And this is, you know, and I fully admit, this kind of like ventures down a path that might be like a lot, but it's something that I'd like to get into sometimes. And that is how does this all connect to religious beliefs, right? And this is maybe why some people stray away from this conversation a little bit. And I don't. I mean, for full disclosure, and I mentioned this on the show here over the year, so I don't mind saying it. I am a practicing Catholic.

So for me, it's always interesting just personally to try to figure out how this all plays together. And I think, you know, just talking to you here today, it's something that you might be able to speak on. So how do you see it, Jordan? How do you kind of interpret just based off of your experiences and your own, you know, investigations and research? How do we put together, say, the creation story, the crucifixion, the resurrection that are presented to us in the Gospels and kind of put it all together with everything we're talking about?

You know, civilization on Mars, founding Earth, gene splicing, and starting civilization here. Like, how do we put all the end, all these different planes of reality? How do they fit? You know, that's the million dollar question, right? I look at everything pretty agnosticly. I was never raised spiritual or religious, so I have no, I've really no allegiance to any one particular point of view or way of thinking. But I'm also, you know, careful to not step on anyone's beliefs.

Sure. The way I look at it is there is, for lack of better words, a God that exists, an ultimate creator. everything had to start somewhere. And that's what in the teaching I was talking about earlier is what we would call the absolute. The absolute is that. It is basically the monad from the Gnostic text. It is God. But in most religious text, when they talk about God or what we infer from them talking about the God is not Big G, capital G God.

It's these little G gods. You know, we are creator. I have two kids. I've created life. I'm not their God. I'm just their dad, right? There's progenitors of the human species, and they're not God. There are creators. So you can have a creator, and that creator is not God, because that creator was created by a different creator, and that creator was created by a different creator. So I think it just gets a little confusing because a lot of people try to build up the God from the Bible as the God. You know, And I think that a lot of times they're just, they're, they're, it's being conflated because, you know, even like the Elohim and the Bible was was plural, you know, and that's more than likely talking about like these Anunnaki beings, these, these creator beings. And of course they would seem like gods, you know, and those also like evolved into the Greek pantheon of, of, you know, the Titans and the Olympians. Like those, those were gods, but they're not the God. They're, they're, they're creators and we're creators. So I think we just have to put it.

perspective and when you zoom out that way and you look at it that way you can be like i don't find myself being very religious but the more that i've explored over the last six years trying to piece together what reality is and how i fit into this how humans fit into this how consciousness fits into this i've become more um i would feel closer to god like i feel like i have a very good relationship it's a weird thing to say but with god because i feel that each creator that creates another creator passes on that that spark of divinity within them and you have an internal connection within you to source. It doesn't come from outside.

You don't have to go to a church or do anything special. It's within you. And that's just the ancient Gnostic teachings, but I really do believe that. Because I feel it. And the more that I've explored all this, the closer I've become with that connection. And it has nothing to do with religion or anything.

But I think religion just tries to make sense of all the stuff. Just like back in the Greek times, like all those Greek gods, Zeus was like, okay, there's a thunderstorm. What is this? What does it mean? And they personify it. And they create these gods to explain.

things. Religions do the same thing. We're creating gods to explain things that we can't explain. They personify these very, you know, hard to conceptualize abstract concepts into these deities and these beings. But I don't think those are gods. I think that all religion is just trying to explain things that are very hard to explain because we're essentially inside of a game. We're inside of, we're like, imagine you're playing Grand Theft Auto and the character wakes up. And he's like, where the hell am I? You're exploring the game world at that time. And you're trying to make sense of the game world, but you have no way to really step outside of the game and explore outside. And every once in while, we're able to step outside of the game, and it's this

whole new world, and it's so hard to make sense of because it doesn't operate by the same laws of nature, laws of physics, the game engine, all that kind of stuff is different. So I think that religion is essentially the character than game, trying to make sense of things that exist outside of the game, and it's very hard to do. Yeah, so interesting. And again, I don't mind bringing it up. In fact, I like to try to bring it up when the conversation more. and so I'm glad we could at least broach that topic, you know, here today. First off, do you have more time, Jordan? Because I don't want to overstay my welcome with you.

Yeah, yeah, you're good. Okay. Because there's still a few things I'd like to get, you know, get two with you. Hey, guys, we'll get back to that in just a second. But I wanted to kind of continue something here that I've been talking to you about now for a little while. And that is my experience is with Shopify. You know, when you go to start a business, the worst thing is, the hardest part is trying to figure out where to begin. You have this idea, but how do you make that come to life?

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So I was a pretty hardcore alcoholic for a very long time. And at a certain point, I just, it felt like to me, it felt like I had sanitized my consciousness out of my body. And I was sort of hijacked by other things. And, you know, whatever you want to call, demonic type entities. And they took my vehicle on a joyride and they weren't too kind of it. And I ended up in the yard and I was essentially dead, organs failing. And just across the board, they were, you know, they were telling me, you know,

this is it. And then I at a certain point there, I had my consciousness was not in my body anymore. So I was in this out of body state for a few days. And I was like watching the whole thing from a kind of a security camera point of view, like a third person point of view. And it's really wild. And then once they finally got me stabilized and they admitted me and I was in the room with my wife that we were visited by this like blue orb. It's the only way you can really describe it, this blue light. And it was really crazy. because at that point, everything changed. I went from basically thinking, I'm going to die, this is it, to I had this like, like, and I'm hooked up all these machines. I'm in terrible shape. I can't walk. I can't do anything. They're trying to stabilize me because they're afraid I was going to, you know,

basically stroke out and die right there. And I'm like strapped down because they're afraid I was going to like have convulsions and stuff from the alcohol withdrawals and just the whole nine. And I'm sitting there and all of a sudden I have this like calmness. And I'm just like, hey, you know, we need to go home because, you know, I got work to do. You know, it's like, the doctors are like, dude, you're not going. anywhere. What are he talking about? I was like, no. I was like, I know it looks bad, but I got to go. I got to go home. I got to heal because I have work to do. And I didn't really know what I was

talking about and what work out, but I was very lucid. Like all of a sudden, I was just very, very lucid. And the next day, they wouldn't let me leave that day, of course, but the next day, they made me sign all these things. And I talked them into letting me leave, which was pretty crazy. And because I couldn't walk. They had a wheelchair, me out of there and everything. And I went home and I started healing and I had this like this I don't know this drive this I had three questions that entered my mind that never left it was who are we where are we why are we and those three questions came in over that experience and they have not left in six years it's what drives me to do everything that I do and that all happened from that experience so even if I could go back in time

and change that experience even if I could go back you know 20 30 years and never have a drink I wouldn't because I felt like that entire experience was a part of my journey, and it unlocked whatever this thing is that it unlocked. And sometimes in life, I don't want to say sometimes. It seems like all the time. I don't know who created this world. I don't know why they made it this way. But it seems like trauma is a big part of a lot of this stuff.

You have to have this traumatic, like, rock bottom type of a situation that shakes your snow globe and activates all of these things. and it connects you to your higher self. And then finally your higher self is like, finally you're paying attention so we can get some real work done. And, you know, that seems to be what happened to me. Like Michael Newton, you know,

amazing author that studied, you know, life between life and past life regression and incarnation for decades and thousands of case studies. He was convinced that our higher self exist outside of this physical realm and it's the totality of you. It's all of your lifetimes

and the one kind of like file folder on the cosmic desktop. And you only stream in like 20% of your soul energy into each body. the rest of it's up there. That's what when you say your higher self, it's, it's you, just not in this physical body. And it's kind of like you're the one in the game, but you're also the one playing the game. And the one playing the game is like the higher self and it has the broader view.

Anyways, I think that a lot of times we mess up our connection to our higher self. And then your higher self has to like shake you and like wake you up. And that's why it can kind of instigate some of these traumatic, you know, awakenings. There's other ways to do it, other initiation processes. but a lot of times people have these near-death type experiences and it unlocks all these things. Right. And then it unlocks this communication with your higher self and then your higher self can kind of guide you. And that's what it felt like with me.

It felt like since then I've been guided. And before that, it was not guided. Before that, I was just a runaway train headed off a cliff. And now I feel guidance. But that guidance, some people that are religious might say it's divine or it's God. I feel like it's me. I feel like each person is guided by their higher self. but the higher self struggles to create like a strong connection.

So anyways, that was my takeaway from my whole near-death experiences. This is as wild and nasty and dark as it was because it was a total dark night of the soul afterwards. I was lost. I was confused. I was sick. I was struggling. And then it started getting better and better and, you know, kind of went through this initiation process. And now I am where I am now.

But yeah, that was my experience. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty incredible, to say the least. Have you looked into some of your past lives? You say, you know, as far as what you've seen, as far as past lives and the study you've done into that, have you found anything out on that ends yourself or others? Yeah. So my past lives, I don't think are very important for this current life.

Why do you think they happen? Because you say that, right? It's not important for this current life. So why do you think that that happens as far as past lives or multiple chances, however we want to say multiple, you know, incarnations? If we're not connecting, right, maybe some people look at it as a second chance, you have to correct something and you're getting another chance to figure it out. Is that the reason? Or is it just if they're not connecting, then why is it happening? And what have you experienced?

So my take on it is we come into Earth as this training simulator. It's a way to put your non-physical consciousness into a physical reality that has all of these restrictions and all of these crazy things. And you learn at a consciousness level. I compare it to a pilot using a flight simulator to become a better pilot. Your consciousness uses this physical reality to level up its quality of consciousness. Now, in doing so, I think it's supposed to be a quick sojourn, maybe a, a few lifetimes, we get stuck here, we get kind of addicted to this life. And then at a certain point, we forget that there's ever, that we were something before

this. And your higher self kind of has to pull you out of that. And I think that, you know, the whole reincarnation thing, yeah, we do get stuck in these kind of carmic loops because we just get so kind of stuck and addicted to the earth life experience. And we keep coming back around over and over because we, at a certain point, we lose touch with that there was ever anything, you know, before. And then your entire struggle becomes trying to dig yourself out of this, this whole.

We've just become too human, right? So I think that's a big aspect of it. So it's not like a prison planet or anything like that. But we, it's like going to school and just not graduating. We just kind of get stuck and taking the same grade over and over. I also think that your higher self is only as knowledgeable as you are, meaning that it's not like when you're talking to your higher self, it's, it's all knowing, you know, it's, it's based on your life experiences. So depending on, on what you've learned. And so say you've

had a lot of lifetimes in a row that have been indoctrinated and you've been in these belief systems and that that carries over to the other side. And so then at a collective at your higher self point of view, you fall into the same kind of indoctrination. Like it's not, it's not impervious to this stuff. It's influenced. Like the spirit world is just another layer of the, this earth world, this, this, this simulator is what I call it. It's just, it's like the waiting area, the loading area. It's still a layer of this. It's still influenced.

So everything you do on earth influences your non-physical side, your higher self. And so for me, I really felt like going back to my previous lives might have been the wrong direction. I had an experience at the Monroe Institute when I was trying to, I was on Focus 21 and it's the bridge. It's where you can actually leave this physical dimension and go talk to spirits and pass loved ones and that kind of stuff. And my mom had passed and I wanted to go see my mom. And I was stopped by what was essentially she presented herself as my star family and said that basically like at this point in my life, I was supposed to shed, for lack of better words, my human family and connect with my star family, which is just these non-physical parts of my soul cluster or whatever. want to call it. And I thought that was odd, but I resonated with it. It felt genuine. And I didn't have any, I'm very connected to like my gut instincts. And it felt genuine, it felt real. And the message

that I got there, the message I've got several other times when trying to peruse my past lives is that for me anyways, there's nothing there that's going to help me with this current journey, that I They need to actually break free from some of the belief systems and chains that I was in before and move forward to level up my whole higher self so that we can achieve what's called escape velocity and at some point graduate completely from the earth realm. And that sometimes going in the past can be, I don't know, do more harm than good. It's fun from like a kind of a, I don't know, a tourist point of view. It's exciting to go and see who you were in past lives. but it doesn't always benefit you at a consciousness level. So I'm more focused on moving forward and breaking out of some of these indoctrinations

and some of these reincarnation loops and things that have gotten me perhaps stuck and trying to become more free. Yeah. Wow. It's now it's incredible to consider it all. I mean, to hear all that. Switching gears here before we're done, Jordan, because there's so, I mean, I can continue to go down this topic for hours. but I did want to get a few other things before we were done. More, I guess on the, I don't know, I guess you can say terrestrial level.

I'm not sure how to put it, but there's something that's recently been coming out with a story that kind of broke at the beginning of this year of 2025 with Matthew Livelsberger. You know, former, I guess you can say Intel, special forces in the military. and of course if you don't remember the name, if it sounds familiar, he's the one who exploded in that cyber truck in front of the Trump Hotel in Las Vegas. I believe it was New Year's Day or right around there, if I remember correctly. And there was a lot of weird stuff that happened around that. People were saying there was a lot of different things being alleged as far as what he knew about anti-gravidic technology, messages that he sent beforehand talking about that,

how connected to the drone episodes that were happening at the end. of 2024. And now there's some new speculation coming out that his manifesto was deemed classified by then Department of Defense, now Department of War. And it's not coming out. What are you hearing about some of these new developments surrounding the Matthew Littlesberger saga that is now suddenly kind of bubbling back up to the surface? Yeah, man. That was a wild one. It was, yeah. I mean, the cyber truck blowing up in front of Trump Tower, so you're tying like Elon and Trump together in this New Year's Day, like, wild event.

The guy's a green beret, you know, people loved him evidently. He was very bright and knew what he was talking about. And he leaves this manifesto in his cell phone, which is confiscated, obviously, and then classified, which, why, you know. And the things that leaked out of it talk about the anti-gravidic craft from China, and these types of things. So now all of a sudden you're tying in this Green Beret, Trump, Elon Musk, UFOs. This is right after the drone stuff because this was New Year's Day,

and this is when we're in the middle of that whole New Jersey drone flap, or on the downside of it. Sure. And then all of a sudden he's talking about Chinese anti-gravity craft. And it's just so, that's such a specific and so random in a way, but also a very, very specific and timely thing to include in there. And so, and you look at the whole thing, you might think, okay, this is all just crazy.

Maybe he snapped and whatever, but then they like classify it, right? They're very tight-lipped about it. If you ask the Department of War stuff, they tell you to talk to Las Vegas, please. Las Vegas, please, tells you to talk to government. No one wants to talk about it. The whole thing's weird. So I don't really know. I mean, I don't have a strong opinion on it one way or another, like what's actually going on.

Strange. But it's strange. And there definitely is a terrestrial aspect to, you know, it's very obvious, you know, that there is a reverse engineering program. It's very obvious that we have craft, that we are trying to figure out how they operate, that are exotic to us.

But, you know, that seem to be given to us. They don't seem to be crashes. I think even the crashes are simulated crashes. I think that these are gifts. You know, there's even been people pretty high up that talk about these being donations. Jacques Bel-A. speaks to this a lot.

That these are given to us. It's like, okay, well, why would they be given to us? Well, they're not given to us by aliens. Why would aliens want us to have advanced technology? Why would they care? I wouldn't go to an ant hill and give them an iPhone and teach them how to use it. That doesn't do me any good. It means nothing to me.

It's because these are future humans. They have to be future humans that are helping their own. So if you think about it, this world is very divided. We have all these different countries and countries are fighting each other. So say in the future there's some sort of a war that happens and it doesn't turn out good for one side or whatever. whatever. Well, they could, there's something called revision. I use revision in my own life. You can go back to a past experience in your life and you can relive that past experience and you can revise the ending of it. And by revising the ending of it, it actually has a ripple, a butterfly effect in your current life.

It's a great thing to do for childhood trauma, that kind of stuff. Well, what if these future beings are revising their own past in ways that might lead to them having a better outcome in. in their geopolitical stuff, meaning what if they're dropping, you know, technology off to themselves, just past versions of themselves, to give themselves an upper hand on their adversaries, things of that nature.

I don't know, but there definitely could be an aspect in there. I mean, why also are these craft crashing and they're crashing outside of military bases? Like always, it's like perfectly like, oh, here it is. And then our teams are there to go and grab it.

I mean, it just seems also orchestrated and kind of clean. in so many ways, I think that these are gifts from future versions of us. That's my take on it. So this guy, he might be exposing some of that if maybe future China's giving current day China technology. Because it seems like it's not just America reverse engineering these craft. It seems that every major country has their own similar operations.

Yeah. And actually, on that note, it's a perfect segue here to what we're about to see, which is the film, The Age of Disclosure. and I guess more of a documentary put together by Dan Farrah and has a ton of different names in there that the UFO community would be familiar with. And some people are going to see these names and think, you know, for the first time, oh, I wonder who these people are. Of course, you know, you have, like, you know, Lou Elizondo, Marco Rubio. They believe he was Secretary of State when this movie, I'm sorry, I believe he was Senator Marco Rubio while this movie was being made. and then he became Secretary of State.

And there's just so many different, you know, former CIA, FBI, all these different intel officials who are part of this film. What are you looking forward to seeing, if anything, from the age of disclosure? What do you think people are going to get out of it? Yeah. It doesn't tell you get my hopes for it. I'll be cordial here because, you know, I'm sure it's a great movie. And I will see it.

There's no reason not to. Do I think it'll move the needle? there's so many agendas at play here and so much at stake here because we're talking about geopolitics here. We're talking about technologies that can completely redefine and reshape, you know, civilizations that can win and lose wars that can save or destroy our planet. We're talking about very serious things here, and these people are very serious people and they take this subject very seriously. Having said that, they also, most of them are politicians, are in intelligence agencies, are very good at, misinfo and disinfo and they have agendas and people that they're serving and things that they're trying to get done. So when you see a movie like this with so many of those players

involved, you have to at least go see it with a little tiny bit of skepticism and just say, okay, this is this is going to be a good movie and I'm interested in it. But there's also going to be some sort of a narrative. And it could even just be maybe Dan is creating a movie that's completely agnostic, but all the people involved, there are each. going to come with their own agendas. They each are serving different people and are told what they can and can't say. Everyone has NDAs. Everybody is being fed certain things to try to accomplish in missions. So I look at it. It's going to be very interesting. I'm interested in the movie. I'm sure it's a great movie. I think everybody, this is not to say that any of these people are bad or anything. I think

most of those people, everyone you named, humans are humans. All these people have wives. They have kids. They have dogs. They have families. You know, they golf on the weekends. They like to have fun. And they're humans. I don't think any of these people are bad people or anything like that. But, you know, sometimes when you're a hammer, everything's a nail. And when you are, you know, a lifelong person in military and intelligence and stuff, you're going to look at things differently. And it's not necessarily a bad thing because, I don't know,

in a large part, these people keep us safe from things. I think in a large part they also put us in more danger, you know, with some of their mental. So it's a mixed bag for me. Do I think there's any smoking guns or anything that's going to really move the needle? Probably not because the movie's been done. done for a long time. And if there was, it probably would have come out by now. If there was any really startling, you know, shocking evidence, um, it's going to be a lot of testimonials.

It's going to be a lot of, you know, prominent people saying things that they probably haven't set on record before. So that part will be exciting. But people that are deep into this stuff that have been in, you know, studying the phenomenon and all this stuff for for so long. I mean, Philip Corso's book the day after Roswell, you know, 25, 28 years ago or whatever is more revealing than 99% of the stuff that's been written since. Most of this stuff. Most of this stuff. is not new. Most of this is not news. It's just being presented in a new way to reach new audiences. So in that way, it is kind of helping further disclosure, which is good as long as this disclosure furthering is not also done with a specific agenda that's taking us in a specific direction.

And I see a lot of that. So I try to zoom out, stay agnostic and not get too, you know, down into the trenches with a lot of the stuff because I look at this entire phenomenon, this entire situation from a pretty different viewpoint perspective than the average person. And I try to keep my field as clean as possible. So I will go see the movie. You know, that's all I'll say. I'm sure it's a great movie. Yeah, I know.

And I mean, to your point, that's exactly why I wanted to talk to you because you do have these different perspectives. And if I just find that refreshing, I find it fascinating just to have, you know, open conversations like this. So I really enjoyed it. Hopefully you have. hopefully, you know, anyone listening has enjoyed what we've done here today.

But before we're done, Jordan, I'll get you out on this because you mentioned kind of like that geopolitical situation that happens and how it kind of bleeds over into the disclosure process and really in some cases, kind of takes over the disclosure process seemingly. The main question I get from friends, family, casual observers, people I know who know that I have a show

that covers this topic. The main question I get is, why do you think it stays a secret? So I want to ask you that. Why do you think it stays a secret? Not only with the U.S. government, but we're talking adversaries and allies alike, who seem to agree that they don't want to reveal what they have found out over the decades. Why do you think that is? From a geopolitical point of view?

Sure, geopolitical and maybe even, you know, deeper if you'd like. Well, I mean, if you go back to Colonel Corso, Philip Corso's book, he talked about how, after Oswald, they took these technologies, these exotic materials and things that they found in these craft, and they distributed them to a select few corporations that gave them instantly a dramatic upper hand and advantage to competitors. Now, when it comes to disclosure, people often just overlook those types of things. they overlook the fact that people have been there's people no longer alive right now that used to be alive because they were digging into some of these things there's been an incredible amount of destruction left in the in the wake of this this whole disclosure process

you know there's there's a lot of things out there that are very dark and twisted that have to do with these black projects and how they fund themselves and some of the legal activities they used to fund themselves you know there's a lot of different things. So once governments come out and say, hey, we got a craft back in the 40s and we were able to reverse engineer it and create these technologies, even if they present us with technologies that are, you know, they're curing cancer. They create a medbed. They give us new types of phones. Who knows?

Who cares? Once they reveal that, it reveals the bigger picture. And people will start saying, oh, that's cool. Now, how did you get this? Tell us more. Does that mean that all of these black projects, all these covert operations, all of these conspiracy theories, all of these stories, does that mean that's all true? It's almost like if you say one part of it's true, you have to say all of it's true. Or you have to go in and case by case, admit fault, take responsibility, or debunk it one by one.

And you're talking about, if you go back to Magenta, you're talking about 100 years of lies and destruction by these people. that's why I don't have a lot of faith that the same people that have been lying to us for a century are going to all of a sudden just start telling us the truth. I think the truth is coming out because the truth always comes out, and they're trying to manage the truth coming out organically and holistically. And they're going to take, you know, kind of like ownership, and they're going to say, we're telling you all the truth. The truth is just coming out.

I think the truth's coming out because humans are conscious, and these whistleblowers cannot remain quiet anymore. It's eating them up inside. It's the one thing that you, it's the only common thread I've seen between all the whistleblowers is that usually they're really good people and they can't stay silent anymore. These politicians don't seem to have those traits. They can stay quiet. These whistleblowers, there's enough people that know enough things that have their consciousness

eating them up inside. You're going to start seeing more and more people coming out with more and more things. And that's good. And then the government's role in all this is to manage that truth telling in a way to where they can spin it to where it benefits them and makes them look like the good guy. Now, why they're not just going to come right out and say, here's what we have, here's everything,

is because most of this stuff is not used for the good and well-being of humanity. Most of it's weaponized. Most of it is used to try to wage wars on our adversaries. And you never want your adversary to know what you have ever. I think it's one of the reasons the Matthew Livisberger thing or whatever is so hush-hush is because it has to do with China

anti-gravitics. And once you start saying words like that, boom, classified, it'll never see the lie today. So it just sucks that so many of these things, so much of the stuff we talked about today, the spiritual connection, the non-physical connection, the consciousness connection, so many of these things are empowering and can help the world, can change the world, can lead to new types of energy and fuel, can lead to new healing modalities, can lead to personal and collective spiritual and consciousness awakenings. So much of this stuff could be used to totally revitalized and revolutionize our entire world, but it's not. It's weaponized. And that's why we'll never have full disclosure. Well, just great stuff here today, Jordan. Really enjoy talking

about all this stuff. I'm glad we can make time to do it today here on HueyP. And so for anybody who isn't following you, how did they follow you? I know your show is conscious observers. It's doing great on YouTube. It's doing great on Spotify. So how does everybody find everything that you're doing? Yes, Stephen, thanks for having me on, man. It was a pleasure. Yeah, so I have a website, Digi Jordan, DIGI-Jordan.com, real easy. And all my links, connections are there. And yeah, I have a podcast every Tuesday and Thursday, new episodes.

It's called Conscious Observers, and you can find it on all the different podcast places. That's awesome. Jordan Crowder, thanks again so much for doing this. I hope we can speak again in the future, and I really enjoyed it, and we'll talk again soon. Absolutely. Thanks, Stephen. Thanks. really cool here and I'm glad that we were able to do that and hopefully you enjoyed both parts here on UAP with Jordan Crowder for this for these two episodes and that last part there where I was asking him about you know why is it all kept a secret by everyone that's something that I wasn't planning on asking actually it was just something that kind of popped into my head as Jordan and I spoke and it's a question that really I think about a lot maybe I don't ask it like in every interview we

I just feel like maybe when it's appropriate to bring it up, I will. And it felt appropriate there at the end as we started to talk about age of disclosure, which I haven't seen yet, but I'm looking forward to watching. And I will be doing an episode on early next week before breaking for the Thanksgiving holidays. So look forward to that next week. I'll be talking about just all the angles from the age of disclosure as we kind of get to see that and digest and read and hear all the different reviews and get all the reactions. So I'm looking forward to talking about that in detail.

next week and what the big takeaways have been from that documentary now since it's out. But kind of based off of that conversation that we had there or a part of that conversation about the film was when that idea popped into my head. Why is it all kept the secret by everyone, right? How does, you know, two countries that would be considered adversaries, say just for example, Russia and the U.S. or the U.S. in China or whoever it might be, you might be adversaries. adversaries economically or, you know, through society or military, militaristic, you have all these different things that these countries and governments might not agree on and would even,

you know, God forbid, go to war over in an extreme case. But outside of all that, they're keeping this part a secret. There has been that cooperation. when there's no cooperation on anything else, this is what they cooperate on, allegedly, right? If China is truly, like we spoke about there at the end, when it came even to Matthew Littlesberger, and what, you know, he supposedly knew about anti-gravidic technology.

And was he keeping that, you know, in his manifesto? Is that why the manifesto became classified? We don't know the answers to those questions, but it was something really interesting to consider there toward the end. And if that is the case, if China does have recovered craft, if Russia has recovered craft and the U.S. has recovered craft and we're all in this race to have the ultimate weapons of reverse engineer technology. Because according to some of the reports, we still haven't been able to have the ultimate, you know, breakthrough. Maybe. Some people say yes, we have. Others say no, we haven't. But if there is this race overall to reverse engineer these recovered craft, then that is the one thing that is agreed upon between different nations that may not be the best of friends.

They'll disagree on everything else, but they agree to keep this a secret. And the question posed there at the end, which I found so interesting, was why would that be? And is it just because kind of like with a space race, you don't want to tip your hand, right? You don't want to tip your hat to all the secrets that you've found out. So you all just decide to keep it a secret. I don't know. But there does seem to be maybe cooperation out of convenience. Whether it's cooperation out of an actual agreement between nations or out of convenience, meaning that no one wants to give their progress away, then whatever it might be, it is that one thing that if everyone does know about it, they've decided not to talk about it, which I kind of find, you know, fascinating.

just in the geopolitical landscape conversation. So I was glad to bring that part up at the end. And we did cover a lot, a lot of those existential questions as well that we went through. And again, like I said at the beginning, and just to kind of reiterate, you don't have to agree with everything that Jordan was talking about. That's not the point.

That's, you know, we're not here to preach to the choir. It's about open ideas. You know, I mean, I didn't agree with everything he was saying when it comes to religion and, you know, afterlife and all these different things. but that's fine. I don't have to. I was very interested to hear what he had to say. What his own personal experiences?

What has happened to him that has brought him to these conclusions? And that's why I love having these conversations and presenting them to you here on UAP to just connect all the dots and have these ideas free flowing so we can all discuss and think about it together and ponder and all that good stuff. So really happy to do all that here today. And I hope you enjoyed it. I really did. two episodes have been a lot of fun for me.

I had a lot of fun having that conversation with Jordan. So thank you again to him. And I look forward to maybe media up again in the future and, you know, coming back together here on the show at some point one day because that was that was really cool. But aside from that, I am looking forward to coming back next week to discuss age of disclosure. Again, I'm going to cover that from all the angles. So absolutely looking forward to covering that with you.

And then something different, something special for the holiday break, for Thanksgiving break and I'll tell you what that is next week. I think it will be fun for everybody. So I'll let you know what I have up my sleeve for next week for Thanksgiving break as we head into that here on UAP. I can't believe it was the holiday season already. How do you like that? Amazing.

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