UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: The Alien Agenda with Leslie & Stephen Shaw

Episode Date: December 26, 2025

If alien life really is here on earth, what's their goal? Did their possible presence on earth predate the Great Flood? Leslie & Stephen Shaw, authors of the book, "Who They Are and What They're Up To" join the show to discuss exactly those questions as they give their theories along with personal experiences of alien abduction within their family for generations. Get ready for an extremely thought provoking and perspective shifting conversation...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So that was kind of like my first crack of talking to, you know, real experiencers, people who have had these up-close encounters, and I've been wanting to do more of that, and I do that here in this episode. So in this episode of UAP Weekly, you're going to hear from a couple named Leslie and Stephen Shaw. And they actually reached out to me a few weeks back about coming on the show so they could talk about their experiences

and the experiences that they put in their book. So I said, sure, you know, that's fine. If you want to talk about your book, we can mention your book. But, you know, I would love to hear what you have to say, what you've gone through and things like that. So I'm just going to put this out there as a disclaimer because in recent weeks I have been, I wouldn't say attacked.

Attact is kind of a strong word, but I've been approached by different people on social media saying that, you know, I'm not hard enough on my guests. And I'm not talking about, I'm not naming names about any guests in particular. Maybe you have your own people in mind that I've spoken to you think I should ask tougher questions or hold their feet to the fire.

And that's basically what has been, you know, what I've been approached with on social media. As people coming to me and saying, you know, you really got to basically that. Just, you know, hold their feet to the fire. Some of these people you talk to, some of the things they say, you're spreading misinformation.

That's what I've been told by a few people in social media. So I just want to clear, I want to clear that. I want to preface this interview with that statement and say, basically this. UAP has always been about you can agree or disagree. I don't agree with everything that Leslie and Stephen Shaw say here on this interview. As I was talking to them, I was thinking to myself, okay, I don't agree with that, but they're my guest. And when I have a guest on a show, I want to be as respectful as possible.

It is not my style. Okay, I just want to clear the air on this. It is not my style, nor my intention. to bring on a guest and hold their feet to the fire or be combative or ask them, you know, questions to try to contradict what they're saying. This isn't me having a debate with somebody. That's not UAP. If you're looking for that, I'm sorry, this isn't it.

Okay? I'm just going to be up front with you. My goal and my mission and my job, quite frankly, and how I frame the show is it has always been if someone is taking the, their time to come on to my show, I'm going to be respectful and give them the time to say what they're looking to say or to, you know, give the message that they're looking to give during the interview. And I will always ask questions based off of what they're saying. Kind of a secret here that I actually don't really write down questions during my interviews.

I'll write down topics, sure, but a little behind the scenes here. I'll write down topics and a couple of specific things, maybe they're on my mind, but about 80% of the interviews that I do are basically follow-up questions. So when I'm talking to somebody, the questions are really kind of popping into my mind as we're talking, which I prefer. Again, that's my style. So when I speak to somebody and you don't agree with them, that's fine. I don't agree with everything that a guest the same. But that's all good because UAP has always been about the motto of the show is make up your own mind. So when I have people telling me that I'm helping to spread misinformation by having on certain guests, I'm sorry that's just false and I'm sorry you feel that way. If I'm bringing

you on a guest, they can say their peace. I'll ask them questions based off of what they're saying. I can disagree with them. You can disagree with them. And that's perfectly fine. Letting people have their opinion is not spreading misinformation because we all have opinions and we can either agree or disagree on those. And I think you're going to run into some of that here today with what you might hear with Leslie and Stephen Shaw. What you might hear might take you back a little bit. You might make you say, wow, you know, I'm not really sure about some of the stuff that they're saying. And that's totally fine. But these are their experiences. These are their theories that they wrote about it in their book, and I wanted to bring them on to allow them

to tell their story. So there you go. Sorry if that sounded forceful. I didn't mean that, but I just, that's been on my mind for a few weeks, and I kind of wanted to clear the air with that issue. And I felt like this interview was a good time to do that, because you might run into some of those speed bumps throughout this interview. And that's okay. That's what discourse is all about. That's what discussion is all about. And we're going to have that discussion right now with Leslie and Stephen Shaw, where they talk about, again, their experiences, their theories about aliens, who they are and what they're up to, which is the name of their book. And so that's kind of the theme of the interview. And a couple of things that popped into my head. Well, I won't put any preconceived ideas into your mind. I'll ask these questions after the interview. But a lot of the stuff that they talk about is like, man, what are we really dealing with here? So you'll hear what I'm talking about. But I'll go ahead and get into it right now. Here is my interview with Leslie. Stephen Shaw speaking about their experiences and their book and their theories in the book, who they are and what they're up to. And here they are. Welcome in to Leslie and Stephen Shaw,

authors of who they are and what they're up to. You can find it on Amazon and all those good places, all the bookstores, and of course who they are book.com. And they have quite the story and really some absolutely amazing experiences that I can't wait for you guys to hear about. So thank you to Leslie and Stephen Shaw for coming on here today to UAP. Thank you guys. Thank you so much for having us. You're welcome. Yeah, absolutely. So let's just jump right into it.

You know, obviously, like I said, the name of the book, who they are and what they're up to. We're going to get to those two questions as we get on with our conversation. But I want to get into first the experiences that led you guys to dig in for about 20 years of research, I believe, into the subject, the experiences that you've gone through that kind of made you think we got to write a book about all this. Yes, it was, I'm the journalist and so do most of the writing in the book. But Stephen, his family, is more the experiencers. And he wrote his section into the book as well. And Stephen was an acupuncturist and a Tai Chi master and is a lifelong musician.

And so he has a more science background than I did. And I desperately needed that for reading all the science journals we had to read for the book. But it was about when I saw my first UFO that I kind of clicked into deciding that we should write this book. And so many things that happened to Steve. And I was getting jealous because he had seen like three UFOs and had all these other experiences and nothing had happened to me. But then it finally happened in 2005. We were driving back at night from a meeting we had. then. I was driving and we were looking through the windshield straight forward. And there was a white light in the sky that was maybe twice as bright as Venus. And I thought maybe it's a plane coming into Palm Springs Airport. But the more I stared at it, the more it didn't look like a plane. It didn't have those flashing running lights. And it was hovering. It didn't it wasn't moving properly. And so as we drove towards, it got brighter and brighter and brighter and brighter and then suddenly it shot to the north

and was gone over the northern horizon in a quarter of a second it had to have been going 20,000 miles an hour if i were taking a guess at how fast and you know a white light in the sky can be any number of things but when it moves like that then no it can't be anything else well but then stephen's family experiences started when he was three but it goes back like four generations yes yes my first my first experiences started when i was three i would be visited by a invisible i it was like a cat uh invisible cat as far as weight wise it would be jumping on my my chest to my belly in the middle of the night and just i thought it was just being playful you know there was nothing there but it was definitely jumping on me and uh my my family grew up at wartime

england and we i was told from a very very young age that we had this family spirit guide protector called old glegly that would you know manifest and show from time to time and to help people which has happened throughout our our you know through my lifetime and so so anyway when i was about 18 my dad woke up in the morning and he told me that his closet doors had opened and closed on him during the night and i you know i was a cabinet maker of my dad at the time so i just kind of like you know we had to go to work so i just kind of didn't think too much of it the next night we heard this silver bell being rung in the wall by the fireplace. First my dad heard it.

Then he said, Stephen, I'm hearing a silver bell. And I came in being a lifelong musician, said, yeah, that's a silver bell. Got my sister, and she heard the same thing. Then so the next night, I did not want to sleep in my bedroom. So I said, you know what? I'm just going to sleep in the living room in my clothes. So I slept in my work clothes. So from behind me, this blue-white, tall entity,

literally just walked, floated towards me, about 25-foot distance, and filled the whole room with this blue-white light, this energy. The whole room was filled, and it stopped by my right side. It took about maybe a second and a half to two seconds, and it froze the right side of my body, just like taking a knife down the right side of my body, and I couldn't move. And I thought, oh, I'm going to see the family spirit I've heard about since a kid,

old glegly i was like you know i'm going to see old glegly that i've heard about you know that's you know it's visited multiple generations i was at that point i i was like you know 50 percent excited but the other half me the logical half me was saying dude you can't move you are frozen you cannot move you can't my right eye was open i couldn't close my right eye even if i tried and i guess the entity whatever got got got wind of that i was maybe a little bit too scared, whatever, and then it left. It took all the blue white light with it. And then I black out. Now, what was the really interesting part was the six hours later at 11.30 in the morning, I decided I'm getting hungry for lunch, you know, being a workman, whatever. So I reached into

my right hand side pocket. I pulled out the coins and the money I had and all the coins, standard American coins, they were all magnetic. They were all magnetic. Well, I could pick up the coins with whether the edge or the face and my dad could too and this is six hours after the event okay so and you know 1979 you're like working whatever we're going to go get lunch and i the mistake i made was i probably should have found a camera somewhere or take a picture but this is 79 okay so we don't have cell phones so anyway so so the next night i decided to go back to sleep in my in my bedroom for whatever reason. And this time, my dad is awakened and he sees this wall of blue white light outside of my bedroom. And this guy, you know, he was in the RAF. He was a, he was a policeman or Bobby

in England. No nonsense type of guy, right, grew up as a kid during, you know, wartime England. He said, you know, I'm going to get up and look at see what the heck is going on. Getting out of bed and then a voice in his head, this time in his head, said, Jeffrey, relax, just go back to sleep, nothing to see here, and that's exactly what he did. And that incident, as far as I have absolutely no recollection of that whatsoever. I don't know whether I was taken or what happened to me then. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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And then the next thing he knows, he blacks out and wakes up hours later in bed again. And then the very next night, he was laying in bed and he heard a scrabbling sound below. him on the floor and he thought it was one of the cats. So he reached down to pet the cat and instead a hand grabs his wrist and he and then but immediately blacks out. And then the third night he um he awakened and looked over at his bedroom doorway and in the doorway was standing a tall gray alien. And as he's staring at it for just a moment, uh, they're staring both back and forth at each other. Then suddenly again, he blacks out and again wakes up hours later in bed. And, you know, as we began researching the phenomenon in earnest,

we realized that this is the signature for the alien abduction phenomenon. Right. These big blackout time periods where nobody knows what the heck's going on. Pretty wild because in your case, Stephen, with your family, this is like a targeting situation. You know, you hear about people getting abducted, whether it's Betty and Barney Hill, in that case, a married couple. But normally you hear about one person,

from a family who was abducted or, you know, something like that. You're talking about multiple people in your family. I mean, this is really, really unusual. In fact, as we started researching the phenomenon, we assumed the same thing. We assumed like everybody that, oh, they're just interested in taking a few samples from a cross-section of humanity because of scientific curiosity. Research and development, yeah.

But the more we looked into it, the more we found that it actually tends to run in families. And like a person will be, they'll meet their particular. criteria, whatever it is. I mean, we have some clues from the data, but that person meets their criteria, then suddenly they'll start taking them their whole lives. They'll take them again and again and again and again throughout their lives. And then they'll start taking their children and grandchildren. Right. So it tends to, it tends to follow families. There is a connection here, though, as far as family connection genetics, like there is something that because of the the experiences that you guys have gone through that as you started to look into it and like you said

it's in your book which will get to some of the details in there who they are and what they're up to when as you started to look into those things it became clear that Stephen I guess wasn't unique in this and that there actually are families you mentioned betty hill where for whatever reason there's something with a trait that is found there's something that they go for and to me it started seeming that if you want just scientific samples, you don't need to take a person more than once. So to me, it seemed like more like they're harvesting a product that they maybe desperately need. It started to make no sense when you apply it to the idea that maybe these beings are coming from distant star systems. And there were a lot of other reasons that it didn't

make sense that they were coming from distant star systems. For one thing, they're seen so often. there's 10,000 sightings per year every year going back 50 years that are reported at least and yeah and we think that that their reporting is maybe only about 10 percent so really we're talking about 100,000 sightings a year every year and we see evidence of them going back hundreds of years and even thousands of years yeah thousands for sure so that was making no sense why they would be coming here from distant star systems and um the fact that the The Nordic aliens are indistinguishable from human beings. They look like tall Swedes with blue eyes or green eyes.

We started thinking, okay, maybe this is not what's going on. They're not coming here from distant star systems. And then Stephen brought something to this, our research. He had a copy of Admiral Bird's diary. First edition, I bought it in 1992. Yes. And a lot of people have heard of us. about it, but have not read it covered to covers many times like we have. As soon as we applied

this idea that maybe the people he met under the ice sheet really are the aliens that are causing the UFO phenomenon or sky. The Ariani. The Ariani, they were called in the, in a bird's diary. As soon as we applied that to all the data, suddenly it all made sense. That's why they're seen so often. They live here under the Antarctic ice sheet. They, uh, One of the places, yes, of course. And, of course, we all remember Admiral Bird's expedition Operation High Jump is what you're referring to, of course, back in 1946, where he took an expedition to Antarctica, post-World War II. And, I mean, it's a very famous story. What he saw, what he didn't see.

And like you're referring to there when it comes to, you know, coming across aliens, where they living under the ice sheet. There's a lot of questions surrounding Operation High Jump. So when it comes to that, of course, we can trace that back to 1946, but what about even further back? Like, what do you think is the genesis of this if we're talking about, you know, NIH being from Earth? Where does this all begin in what you guys have, you know, found or theorized? 13,000 years ago, there was an extinction event in northern hemisphere. Hemisphere, yes. The North American Plains, we lost the mastodon and the mammoth and the Clovis people of North America also disappeared at the same time. And I equated that this was probably something to do with the flood catastrophe.

Fraser wrote a book in the 1700s where he had tracked down 500 separate flood myths all around the world. And since then, there's been a lot more discovered. There's like 1,200 of them now. There's 1,200 separate cultures in the world that have their own NOAA story, pointing to a worldwide catastrophe, shared event. The shared event, yes. And so then about three decades ago, scientists discovered in the 13,000-year-old soil in the North American Northeast quadrant of our continent, they discovered nanodiamonds, lots of them in the 13,000-year-old layers of soil.

and nanodiamonds only form during celestial impact events. A comet or a meteor or asteroid comes into our atmosphere and dust follows it. And this dust becomes superheated and turns into these little tiny round diamonds. And once the nanodiamonds were discovered in the soil, we knew, I mean, science, the science community knew we were looking at some sort of celestial impact. Then there was a, after this impact, there's 1100 years of, soil layer called the Younger Dryaz Boundary that shows drastic climate upheavals for a thousand years after the impact. So it's kind of like that movie deep impact. And I have you, I don't

if you've seen it. Yeah, sure. Plan A was to send the astronauts up to destroy the asteroid and before it kills us all. But plan B was to sink these deep underground arcs to put like 50,000 people down in there and they of course they just picked the cream of the crop the cream of humanity and uh the rest of the people on the planet were just screwed you know sorry good luck you know go to high ground you know and uh we think this is precisely what happened uh because these flood mists almost all of them i mean and we're talking almost nearly all of them start the same way in that god warns the people that a catastrophe is coming that a huge flood is coming and you're you're you'd better build an arc or go to high ground or dig in underground somehow.

So they all had a, they had four knowledge that this is coming. That means the people of 13,000 years ago had to have advanced astronomy. Highly advanced. To be able to spot a comet coming in with enough time to build an arc, say, or, you know, move your population. So we think that this is when this, the human race separated into two. Those that weren't, didn't experience the catastrophe. And their knowledge and culture was kept intact. And the rest of us on the surface that mostly died out,

there's an enormous bottleneck in the genetic material of humanity, where at one point we are reduced to like 10,000 individuals. And also to the other thing is that after a period of years, almost all of them two have the stories about teachers. happened after, yeah. Yeah, the teachers would show up like the bureaucoches and such like that, show up to get us out of being barbaric. Yeah, the stories say essentially that humanity had devolved into barbarism and cannibalism in some cases, right? And then a teacher magically arrives somehow frequently just flying in on a platform and landing. And the Americas talk about

baricotia. And he's a Caucasian man with a beard. And this is, you know, these big beers were not native to the indigenous people of those areas. But almost all these floodments have to say the same thing. This teacher came with a family like a frequently a pantheon of gods that came down to re-educate man and teach us how to, you know, grow crops again and give us animal husbandry again and math and architecture and not. and knowledge and it kind of brought us up out of barbarism back into like civilization. Yeah, because it's really fascinating theory, honestly, I mean, how you can backtrack it all and look at the different geological evidence to kind of, you know, put it all together.

And then to kind of, you know, again, like you were talking about earlier when it comes to where are they coming from, right? So if some of them, maybe not all, but some who knows are coming from the earth, They've been here, they're already here, and they're coming from different spots under the earth. That part would make sense when it comes to, you know, who they are and what they're up to? Well, they maybe were some form of us at some point. They're trying to get some type of material from modern day humans. And I suppose, Stephen, you feel like you're one of those people that they were, I guess,

lack of a better term, harvesting? I mean, do you guys look at it that way? Yes, exactly. They're harvesting a product. they desperately need rather than just taking scientific samples like we at first surmised i want to ask you guys this too in the i have about 10 minutes left as you guys in it was so much fascinating stuff i could ask probably a million more questions but in the final 10 minutes that i have i want to ask you what what and why i suppose why do you think these beings appear as other things like you mentioned

earlier steven when you were three years old you imagined or you saw as like a cat you know, or like these white bluish beings. Other people talk about owls having to do something with, you know, otherworldly beings. Why do you, why do you think that is? I think it's partly misdirection and also the lie sandwich. Yeah. It's a combination of the two things. You know, they want to keep us, they want to keep us looking up.

We are basically cousins and we've been here for 13,000 years and we basically left you guys to rot on the surface, you know. So I think it's partly that. I think it and also it's like it's misdirection and you know it's it's mostly that in the lie sandwich and we we kept hearing reports of UFOs being launched from from below you know of hundreds of reports where they see UFOs flying up out of lakes or up out of the ocean or up out of volcanoes or up out of mountains and rigids and mazes and it's so many times they're coming up or they're just moving from one place to another horizontally in our airspace. You know, they're not coming from above and landing, right? They're doing these things more. So that also pointed to the

fact that they're here with us. But there are different species we would say that are still out there on other planets. Is that how you guys look at it too? Right. We really didn't get into it. But in the second half of our book, we talk about our aliens involved at all. You know, Sitchin talked about the Ananaki and their tablets, the Sumerian tablets, describing an uplifting procedure done to mankind by the Ananaki. And this supposed to have taken place 300,000 years ago. There is a gap, the missing link between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens. There's actually two missing links, one between Osterilipisocene and Homo Habilis, and then another between Homo erectus and Homo sapien where we had like a million years of evolution take place in just a few thousand

years. And so it looks like this may actually have happened. And if so, supposedly the Ananaki used their own DNA to uplift us. So if this is true, and we think it might be because our genetic genome actually shows signs of tampering in the brokest brain area. Yeah, a brokous brain, which is in the temporal area, which gives us the ability. to have speech and imagination and things such as that. And if this is true, then all of humanity is part alien.

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the grays, which are the people that never came back up to the surface. They're, you know, the bigger, blacker eyes like you would get if you're underground, paler skin, no hair. But they walk perfectly upright, just like we do. They have the same skeletal structure that we have. And we think at some point the Nordics took them and modified the race into like a slave race that does their work for them. So we think that they've genetically modified this other race. race of us, still us, but more mutated than we are, into these slave worker bee sort of race.

Because the grays are always emotionless, kind of like automaton's. They always just do their work. They're goal driven. They never wonder what to do next or are confused about what to do. Yeah, they do seem programs. That's one of the things that's always kind of caught me too. Are we looking at malevolent or benevolent or a little bit of both in some cases? Opportunistic.

Yeah, they're self-serving. So they're serving their own purposes. And sometimes that means saving a family member. So that's benevolent. You know, we're grateful when that happens, right? But it's not being done for our benefit. It's being done for their own need. And, you know, a lot of times abduction victims talk.

They can sometimes remember pieces of their abduction. But when it comes to remembering the face of their abductors, they can't. And I think what happens is they tamper with people's memories and change their own faces into something else. And it takes hypnosis to crack through and find out, oh, no, we're talking about these are gray aliens or Nordic aliens or insectoids. We think all of these, even the insectoids, which are the strangest of them all, still have the same skeletal structure as we do. Move the same way. Yeah, bipedal hominids that walk perfectly upright. So we think that some of these arcs, you know, the people living in different parts of the world in these underground arcs, they may have mutated them in different ways.

So that might be why you're getting your tall spindly grays over here and your short grays over there and your reptiloids and your insectoids as well, you know. So we think, but it's all the same source us. Right. And that they have no qualms about using genetic modification. Yeah, it's just another tool to them. So they have no qualms about changing the genetic material of people that are in these situations. You know. One more question here.

And then I'll get you guys out where you can make sure everybody knows where to find your book. What's the end game, do you think? We think it's one of two things, right? Well, supposedly in these meetings with Eisenhower, they set a date for a full disclosure that this was meant to be a temporary keeping of the secret, so to speak. But we believe that date has come and gone, and it's us that still wants to keep the secret. You know, I think our government is afraid that if this information comes out, that it'll crash the stock market and there'll be mass panic.

You know. Those religions won't know what to think, you know. But sooner or later, we think that they're, we think this weird breeding program, we didn't really get into that much. But women are being taken and pregnated and their fetuses are stolen. And this is happening to about 10% of abductees. And we think really that it's more like they want to either maybe reintegrate with us. Or infiltrate. Or infiltrate.

Because if they're not getting their way, they're not getting us to denuclearize just by asking. maybe if they if they kind of infiltrate our race and work into positions of power that maybe they can denuclearize us from the inside out changes from the inside out. So that's what we think they're after is eventual reintegration, eventual disclosure. And a lot of people can read what you've done already. A lot of things we've talked about here today. So tell people how to find your book there before we go. It's on Amazon and Ingram online. You can get it there.

Who they are and what they're up to. They are and what they're up to by Leslie and Stephen Shaw. And we also have an Instagram page where we share all of Stephen's stories and the family stories. And some from his sister who's doing ghost hunting in England. They're at ghostly locations. But our Instagram page is at leslie.shaw. Dot author. And it's the L-E-E spelling of Leslie.

And there you'll find all of the family's incidents. that we could remember and wrote into these series. And then also our website is Who They Are Book.com. And we have excerpts there, blogs, and links to all our podcasts. Lesotham Stephen Shaw. Thanks so much for joining me here today on UAP. Appreciate it. Bye.

Bye-bye. And there you have it. Very intriguing, interesting to say the least. I hope you enjoyed that. I hope it makes you think a little bit. It certainly made me think at different points. And like I said, there might be some things at the beginning. Like I said, you know, there might have been some things in there that you might say to yourself,

okay, I'm not sure about that one. And that's totally fine. I thought that a couple different times, and that's fine. I think that at different times throughout different interviews, but it's all good because, you know what? We like to have back and forth discussions and keep open minds here on UAP. So I was saying, you know, before the interview, when it came to some of the things they were talking about, I couldn't help but to wonder.

And I wonder if you thought this too, specifically in the, toward the beginning, when Leslie and Stephen Shaw were talking about the experiences that Stephen's family has had, which by the way, it's weird for me to say the name Stephen throughout this episode, but that's neither here nor there, but some of the experience that they had with the ringing of the bell, with the hand grabbing the brother when he thought there was a cat under his bed, you know, the blue and white light even that Stephen Shaw was talking about. I couldn't help but to wonder, and I didn't get to ask this question, and I wish I actually got to, but there was just so much going on during the interview.

And I would have asked this question. This wouldn't have been combative in any way. But I was wondering, was this a poltergeist? Or was this more of, or was it some type of alien activity with, you know, otherworldly activity? And then maybe there was a mix of both happening there. You know, Stephen Shaw talking about his family spirit guide. I don't know. Maybe more was connected to that.

When you talk about some of these things, it sounded more like, in my opinion, some of these stories sounded more like something I have a horror movie honestly some of it was downright frightening so that's just something I was wondering and maybe if I have them on again I'll ask that question if they feel like some of this maybe should be more attributed to poltergeist activity

rather than alien activity and I wonder that but again I should have asked that question that I'll put that myself on that one I'll put that one on myself I should say but that's something that I kind of wondered out loud a couple days later when I listened to Back before pointing this out. And some of the theories they put out there, you know, 13,000 years ago in the flood and, you know, how humanity may have split off from different cultures that survived the flood and underground.

And we've talked about some of those things before, you know, as far as, you know, aliens living underground. I just talked about it some time ago with my episodes covering remote viewing from Joseph McManagal, talking about the underground bases, you know, inhabited by aliens. So it's very plausible theory. We talked about Admiral Bird in there, you know, with Operation High Jump where he says, you know, he encountered some type of alien activity happening in Antarctica. That's a famous story there. So that question, I believe that's a very valid theory to ask about. Are they coming from underground?

Have they been living? I don't know. I don't know. And that's the beauty of it. You know, we can theorize. So some of the things, again, maybe you agree or disagree with, but overall, very interesting interview there with Leslie and Steven Shaw. And I appreciate their time coming on here to UAP to have that discussion. So as we finish up here today, I'll say one last thing as far as if you're hearing this episode today on May 30th, on its date of release, or even if it's May 31st or June 1st.

I say those days specifically because those are the days that I'm going to be. in California. I'll be out in the Palm Springs, Indian Wells area for the contact in the desert convention. Now, I've talked about this before on the show, but I just wanted to bring it up one more time in case you're hearing this before those dates I just mentioned, or even on the dates. And if you're out in the area, if you're going to contact in the desert, I will be there on Saturday, June 1st. If you're hearing this afterwards, I'm sorry, but I just want to put this out there one more time. So I'll be there on Saturday, June 1st. Just as a guest, you won't see me, you know, as a speaker, not yet anyway. Maybe that's in the future. That would be nice. That's, that's one

the goals, but we'll see what happens, what the future has in store. But maybe you'll see me going around there. And if you do and you want to say hello, please by all means, don't be shy. Feel free to stop me. I would love to say hello. If you'd like to take a picture, have a conversation, I'm all for it. And you won't be bothering me, so don't worry about that. But I am looking forward to it and I look forward to coming back with stories and experiences from Contact in the Desert coming up here on the newest episode of UAP next week. So hopefully I'll have some things to report once I get back and maybe some guests that come from there.

We'll see how things go once I get out there. But until then, until next time, of course, continue to download the show, subscribe and rate it too. If you have some good things to say, feel free to rate right there on any of the podcast platforms that you're downloading the show on, whether it's Spotify or Apple or Amazon. I know those are kind of the big three where you're getting it. So if you continue to do that, make sure you're subscribing and rating the show if you like it. Hopefully you see you still like what I'm doing.

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podcast and at UA Podcast 850. You can follow along on YouTube and TikTok. Trying to get out some good stuff there that hopefully you enjoy. But that will do it for now here on this edition of UAP weekly. Much more to come in the future. You can bet on that absolutely so much more to come as news continues to happen in the UAP world and with episode 81, which is in progress of being written as well, looking in actually something that Leslie and Steven Shaw brought up during this interview, the connection of animals in alien abductions, specifically owls. And I'm looking into that and I think I'll be talking about things of that nature, I believe so, on episode 81 of UAP.

So like I said, a lot more to come here on UAP. so be sure to follow along in social media and all the different channels. So until next time, Stephen Deiner here on UAP saying thank you again so much for everything. Truly, the way you've taken to the show is just amazing. Thank you so much. I'm so glad you enjoy it. And be sure to stick around for much more coming up in the future. Stephen Dean are here on the Unidentified Alien Podcasts saying thank you again.

Be well. I'll talk to you soon.