UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: "The Alien Interview" with Jon Stewart

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

Have you ever seen the "alien interview" before? Investigative producer, Jon Stewart, joins Stephen Diener to discuss the validity of this infamous tape that was supposedly leaked by an Area 51 whistleblower known only as "Victor." Jon's claims and evidence that he produces here are nothing short of explosive...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's a fake amendment. If you continue to ask questions that are out of bounds, I won't hesitate to terminate this interview. This is powerful, because this is not a staged event. This is real. Welcome in to a new edition of UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast, weekly edition. I am Stephen Deiner back with you here on a really cool interview, actually. And I know that was a little bit of a different beginning than what you used to here on how to start off of you episode of UAP.

But I thought I would kind of, well, I guess really kind of get a little artsy there. But with what is called the alien interview from Area 51. And there's a reason why I wanted to play that and why I played that at the beginning because it really relates to what we're going to hear today with the man who has probably dug more deep into that alien interview video, man named John Stewart, who I'm sure most you have heard of. He's done a lot of work on this video and the whistleblower known as Victor. So just to give you a background before we get into the interview and what's going on

here because we really do kind of jump right into it once we start talking. John Stewart, again, this is a man who, just a normal guy, but came across this video some years ago and decided he was going to look into it a little bit more. What the video is, if you've never seen it before, it came out in the late 90s, I think around 96, 97, and it was actually on a TV special. That was from the TV special you heard there on the old network UPN. And it was like an hour and a half long special and it showed this three-minute video of an alien, like a tan alien with big black eyes in like a dark room being interviewed by U.S. military personnel. The alien starts coughing and these doctors come in and the alien kind of looks like he's in

distress. It's a very strange, very odd video that people have called a hoax and people have called real. No one really knows what to make of it over the years. But John Stewart is a guy who has really dedicated. past five or six years of his life to find trying to find the truth behind this video and also trying to find the whistleblower known as Victor. Now, Victor was the guy who came out with the video to begin with. He came to different TV production studios and companies and, you know, movie production companies that said, look, I have this video that I'm trying to put out

to the public. You know, I go by the name of Victor, which obviously is not his real name. And he said, I have this video. I used to work at Area 51, and I have video proof of an alien interview that I'm trying to show the world. And obviously, a lot of people didn't believe him, but eventually the documentary got made. And that was what you heard there at the start of this episode, was that documentary from 1997, I believe, again, 96 and 97. But documentary known as Area 51, the alien interview, which again, was an hour and a half long program. and Victor is interviewed in that show. He was actually the disguised voice that you heard at the start of the show where he said,

you know, I'll terminate the interview if any of the questions are out of line. So it's a really interesting subject. It's one that's kind of been on my peripherals over the years. Honestly, even before I started UAP, this is something that caught my attention, you know, some years ago because the video was just so downright strange. It just looks weird. But I kind of just left it in the corner. because it is very strange and I never knew what to make of it.

But thanks to John Stewart who reached out to me and said, look, I'd love to come on. And we actually mentioned that here at the start of the show. He said, I'd love to come on and talk to you about the work I've done with the alien interview and some of the things I have coming up and the new information I have from it. Because John says that he has, according to his investigative work, he has found Victor, that original whistleblower who presented this tape of the alien interview to the world. So it's a really interesting interview that we go into here. It's about an hour long or so.

And what I'm going to say is this too. I'll kind of finish my preface statement here before we get into the interview by saying that this does require some active listening. What I mean by that is there's a lot of information in this. And it goes very fast. And sometimes what I do, while I bring out a new episode, there's a lot of production work that goes into the episode. especially with an interview, I will comb through an interview. I'll listen to the whole thing maybe a couple of times to make sure that, you know, it's going to make sense for you when you listen to it.

And there are times in various interviews where I'll say, okay, I'll edit that part out, just to try to make it a little bit shorter. It doesn't ruin the integrity of the interview. I'm not censoring anything. It's just something that maybe, you know, a statement was kind of maybe drawing on a little bit too long that didn't have to, it was extending the interview longer than it needed to be. So, you know, I'll let it admit here, a minute there to try to make it more enjoyable for you, right?

In this case, as I was coming through the interview with myself and John, I didn't do that at all. I didn't cut anything out. And I actually went into it thinking to myself, okay, I'll probably maybe take this minute out here and this minute out there. It really doesn't affect anything too much. You know, we'll just try to shorten it up a little bit. And as I was listening through, I'm like, I'm not even going to touch this. So this really is, with the exception of a couple of bleeped out curse words, this really is an unedited raw interview as it took place as John and I were talking because there is really just that much information that when I listened to it again, it really did hit me.

I'm like, I'm not even going to touch this because all of this needs to be heard. So as we get into it here, you'll hear about the background of this alien interview video. You're going to hear about some background with Victor and what he's done where he's been over the years. John gets into a lot of things about his own personal life when it comes to investigations with the Department of Navy Intelligence, with his emails and phone being hacked. And we get into what some DARPA scientists have been telling, John. It's really some incredible stuff that requires attention. And that's why I wanted to kind of present it in its entirety here today. So I hope you enjoy this new episode, this new interview with John Stewart, the investigative producer for the alien interview.

Enjoy. I'm really happy to welcome in here today on UAP, John Stewart, investigative producer, and former candidate for Illinois governor as well. in case you didn't know, joining the Unidentified Alien Podcasts here today. We're going to cover a lot of great stuff. John, thanks so much for coming on. This is, I'm excited. This is awesome. I'm excited too.

And Stephen, thank you for having me on. Hello to all your viewers. And I just want full disclosure that when I saw your, to tell your viewers that when I saw your interview with Patrick on Vetted, I said, I know I'm not trying to do any more podcasts because, you know, my brain is fried. I'm like, but this guy's special. I can't get on his show. So I emailed Stephen to get on and talk with all of his viewers and stuff because I think you're a great brain and your perspective on the UFO phenomenon should be solidified in our community.

So I'm so glad to be on your show. Thank you for having me. That's awesome. Thank you, John. I appreciate that. I would say more about you, but I can't read the rest of your writing. That's fair. I'm kidding.

That's an old East Coast wedding toast joke. Okay, sorry. That's right. I'm holding up the cue cards here. Can't read the rest of your handwriting, but yeah, you're a great guy. No, I appreciate. I mean, all can you aside, that's awesome. Thank you very much.

I couldn't have written a better intro than that. So I'm glad you made the time in the exception to come on here to you AP. I'm happy to have you. Thank you. Absolutely. And because, well, you've done a lot of interesting work, especially with the alien interview. and we're going to get into that and some breaking stuff too that you just started to speak about within the past week when it comes to some emails you're getting from a supposed DARPA whistleblower.

So we're going to get into all that and possibly more here on UAP today. But starting off with your initial mission here, you really have been the torchbearer for what's known as the alien interview. So for anybody who doesn't know what that is, can you explain for anybody who's a little bit unfroch? familiar. What is the alien interview? What's the work you've been doing on it? On the heels of the alien autopsy in 1997, a second-tier video production company brings forth another shockumentary on a program called Strange Universe on the Upstart UPN Network that was owned by Fox. And this documentary that they bring forward is shown as a special one and a half hour, documentary. And the elevator pitch is simple. A former government employee brings forth a three-minute

VHS tape that he smuggled the film to be copied on that VHS tape out of S-4 during a certain period where the level of security dropped, and they went from analog to digital documentation. And he brings this tape forward, ladies and gentlemen, and it is nervous. It's, it. It It is unnerving, as most people will describe it. It is not a gray alien. It's tan. It doesn't have almond eyes. It's got round eyes.

It's a very casual one shot, one camera shot three minutes. It doesn't look like any, there's any kind of Hollywood special effects at all. There is a green blip that goes up and down that appears to be a heart monitor, although we believe that it's not, but we don't know still to this day what it is. Doctors come in to eventually attend to this beam, which has a respiratory failure. He's coughing, and his mouth, his little mouth opens and closes in an instant. And back in 96, that triggered, you know, going through Pirates of the Caribbean with the bad animatronics, and it took seconds for a mouth to open and only the lower jaw would open. And this whole mouth gets circular, it closes, fluid comes out of it.

you could see the skin move above the eye, I mean, all of these micro movements, and the two doctors come in to tend to it. They're not in pressurized suits that you would think if this was a really clever, expensive hoax. They're just in short-sleeves scrubs, and they start tending to the bean, wiping the foam from the mouth, and the interview is over. And you could see two military people in the foreground, just their shoulders, also watching this interview. other copies. And although it was very dark on the TV production, the original VHS tape, ladies and gentlemen, was a bluish hue. You saw the entire bean, thorax, and arms. There was no attempt to hide that from anyone. And Stephen, the biggest thing that grabbed me about this film, this documentary, was the whistleblower Victor. I have never, still to this day,

heard a more intelligent person speak in my life than Victor. And I was in and around Hollywood at the time, the movie, The Boondock Saints, that disastrous director Troy Duffy, I was on the periphery of his life because I had two friends who were in that big cohort of his. And I had done a lot with pro wrestling in Hollywood commercial. So I knew video production, screenwriters and whatnot.

and I said there is no way a 20-something-year-old screenwriter could write the vernacular of Victor. Not only was Victor scientifically mind-boggling his language, but philosophically. And talking about the overall extraterrestrial phenomenon and the reason why he wanted to bring this tape out was not to do anything other than to show the world that we have these beings and this program is going on. purposely had no sound so to not disclose the identities of anyone in that interview room or the doctors for their families, which, you know, a hoaxer would probably usually keep some sort of verbiage in there and whatnot. And we've had FBI and forensic police officers who are experts in lie detection, study Victor nonstop, found out that, you know, he had trades of a whistleblower, he was under high stress. And, um,

exhibited the vernacular of a scientist that was specifically written in our report that we paid for. I'll finish here. He goes on two weeks before the documentary on the Art Bell show, Coast to Coast. He has incensed that they gave him the wrong phone number to call in. He's yelling at Sean David Morton that he got something wrong in his newsletter. I mean, I just can't figure an actor acting like this. and knowing about Sean David Morton, a uphologist at the time back in 97, and he answers an hour and a half worth of unrehearsed, unscripted questions.

And I just simply said, Stephen, like, this is something, and I'm saying this 30 years later, something dastardly is not right with this film, meaning it, to me, the evidence points to, and I don't know the whole story or where I can look to your viewers in the eyes and say, it's real, but there is so much evidence that points to the fact that the government did film this, whether it was a recreation or whether it was a genuine interview, the government filmed this. And I will say one last thing, 30 years, not one person in Hollywood. And the skeptics dance around this like ballerinas.

Not one person in Hollywood has come forward to say, okay, okay, I built the animatronic alien. Okay, my uncle built that alien. He died in 1999. It's in his garage. No one. Every Intel person in the government has told us the alien interview. That film is real. And ladies and gentlemen, two months ago, I finally found the actual Victor.

I've spoke to him on the phone. We email each other back. We are emailing each other now, like articles off the internet like we're buddies. It's bizarre. He's not as mean as he was in the documentary. but he is still as precise and specific as he was in the documentary, which I find funny. I'm not going to reveal his name, of course,

because we're putting out a, it looks like a pay-per-view online one-day event so I can release his name, release all the other names who were in that room during the interview, and I will get to how I found that out also. But again, I want Stephen, the biggest thing I wanted to come on the show is, he is not saying the interview is 100% real. I don't know. I'm not promoting a hoax. I am promoting my pay-per-view event that's probably coming up

that you will find out what I found out. Is that fair? And you make your decision. You make your conclusion. I found Victor. Stephen, 10,000 percent, I found the real Victor. He is still alive. I found him. The film and the provenance of that film, I'm going to show all of the information. It's eye-raising, but it's still got to be for the viewers to be. So I am not saying that this film is not a hoax and I am not saying that it's real. Dropping bombs there, John, just one after the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Just dropping one after the other. Wow.

So, okay, let me try to kind of grab one piece of a little bit of each thing that you said there. Because one thing I want to touch on is, again, just kind of coming back to the video itself. And if you've never seen the video and I have, and I'm sure, Many of you have. It's kind of, you know, it's a famous video that's been out there for a while. But like you said, you know, you described it very well in this dark room, this alien. He kind of starts to cough. There's, you know, other like scientists around him and things like that. It's very strange looking. The whole thing is weird. And that's where I always kind of left it. So I'm wondering, what happened for you personally that made you say, I got to dive deep on this and try to figure out what? what's going on because it again for me this video has always been in the category of i have

no idea what i'm looking at but boy is that weird so what what made you kind of say okay i like to take that next step you know say i'm going to try to figure this out yeah people have torn me up on the internet for they think that i'm bragging here even my daughter yells at me so folks you're not anybody i'm not bragging i'm not bragging i'm an honest investigator that tells you everything i'm not like any other UFO luminary that's been in our field. I speak from the heart. I tell you personal stories. I'm self-effacing.

I make fun of myself. I tell you the good, the bad, the ugly. And that's jarring for some skeptics. Like, wait a minute. Most UFO people hide all their research and they're very evasive and they're stiff. And I'm not that guy. I'm George Costanza. You know, you're going to hear it all.

So with that being said, it's 97 very quickly. I am living this baller lifestyle. I'm living in downtown Chicago. I'm an automobile wholesaler, traveling around the country, buying and selling automobiles wholesale. I'm a part-time pro wrestler. I'm running for state representative in downtown Chicago in the Gold Coast. My campaign consultant is Kellyanne Conway, former Donald Trump's legal counsel. I'm dating this sexy blonde who's still my wife, who's my wife now of 25 years.

And yes, I brag about that because married to me for 25 years is a, you know, the woman's a saint and putting up with this crazy interview investigation for five years too I tell everybody pat her on the back not me but so I'm not Stephen the reason why I say all that is that God grabs you at weird times and makes you a messenger or you know he you get pulled to do something and you're like whoa at the at the most at the craziest time that you never expected and I never expected it and that's why it pulled on me two years later I'll finish it off. Two years later, I'm running for Congress. And on the bottom of this alien interview, here's another weird one.

DNI slash 27 is emblazoned very expensively on the bottom of this film. Hollywood producers are notoriously cheap. And Victor says DNI is the Department of Naval Intelligence, which doesn't exist. Still to this day, we found out improved without a shadow of the doubt the DNI does exist, which helps prove Bob Lazare's story. Anyways. So I drop out and I endorse. Mark Kirk, who becomes the congressman and eventually a one-term senator for Illinois.

John McCain is on a bus tour with us. Navy guy, Senator. And I simply, what a guy to ask is the DNI real. And I went up to him after I took a picture with him. I said, Senator, can I ask you a question? Is the Department of Naval Intelligence real? And Stephen, he snapped his neck. And he looked at me and this aggressive look. And he said, you don't need to know anything about that.

Stormed off, walked back on the bus and didn't talk to me for the rest of the of the bus store. Reporters have told me, like, when they know they've hit the third rail, they ask a mafia hitman, you know, a certain, or a crooked politician, you know, a cold word or something. And I hit the third reel that day, and it's never left me since. And finishing off, 2019, we had a Hollywood producer asked me about documentary ideas, and this was reconstituted in my brain, this, the alien interview. and I'm not saying I was visited by aliens or I heard a voice or it was my subconscious,

you know, our own inner dialogue, you know, and that said, this has been bothering you for 20-something years, do something about it. And I literally sat in my car for five hours trying to prove one part of that video was a fake, was fake, so I could say, okay, world, I did prove it's fake. And I honed in on the monitor. And five hours later, five hours, With the internet, I found the three top experts in physiological monitors. Yes, that's the power of the internet. PhDs, a guy from space labs and a guy from Hewlett-Packard, who were all experts and said, we have no idea what that physiological monitor is.

And I simply sat in my car and I said, okay, the three letters on the bottom of this fake agency has pissed off a United States senator. They have the most intelligent person I've ever heard of my life. speak and now I have three experts telling me that this second tier Beverly Hills video production company has created the most bizarre physiological monitor known to man, even if it was a hoax that they said they've never seen even seen that on the drawing board and I'm like I'm going to go down the rabbit hole this doesn't make sense once again and that's when I started to do the deep dive and a true self-funded five-year investigation took place of every aspect of that video

Very interesting. So really just kind of one thing led to another. And now here you are. You really couldn't ignore it anymore. You felt that calling. You felt that, you know, that that pull, you got to find out what's happening. And you uncovered a lot there, John. I mean, because I think it's, it's important to note or to remember that, you know,

we're going back to the late 90s, mid late 90s when this video first appeared. So it's not that computer animation didn't exist. to me. Jurassic Park was made in 1993 and that was cutting edge stuff and things like that. So it's not that it didn't exist. It's just that it's not what it is today

where like anybody could go on and use an AI program and create any video that they want. So the way that this video looks in the alien interview, again, given the time period, is also something that people kind of have to consider when you think about is this fake,

is this real. Again, we're not saying we know what it is, but we just have to consider all the facts and everything around it. And I think that's really interesting, especially when you talk about this, this guy, Victor, where he's the one supposedly who came out with this video and is trying to show the world, former employee of, you know, S4 clearance and everything like that. Was this at Area 51? Do we know where this was supposedly taken? Yeah, that's, then that was another thing that shocked a lot of skeptics, you know, this S4, S4, S4.

and once I got, I'm sure we'll get to that in a few minutes, but once I got the report, the leaked report of the DIA, who runs the extraterrestrial program of how this was stolen, who helped sell it to the media, who was all in the interview room, this shocking report with names and dates, I then, I didn't know what to do with it. So I called Linda Molina Howl.

She's like, this is shocking. I've never heard of any of these men and whatnot. And I said, let me do a deep dive on S4. I want to get to the bottom of the, because there were so many conflicting stories from Bob Lazar. A security guard came out who claimed to be a black Navy seal. So I called Richard Doty. And everybody's like, oh, my God, Richard Doty.

What? He's the only person, Stephen, in the world with a DD-214 from the government that says, I was stationed or I was allowed to go into this facility. but the facility is called S2 Alpha. And he explained to me, with a FOIA request, that in 1960s, when the DIA took over the alien program, very quick story, that they built a building out 15 miles south of Area 51,

and it was called Site 2, and the building was S2 Alpha, the Site 2 building. This was the administration building on top of the ground that stood over, you guessed it, S4, which was a level of this building. And that is where the alien retention and interrogation program took place from the mid-60s, somewhere up until the mid-90s when everything was moved to Michael's Airfield and the Dougway Proving Grounds.

And they built a massive, massive sprawling underground complex to transfer the craft and the beans to the space. But so, yes. So for 20-something years, 15 miles, just like Bob Lazar said, South of Area 51 at Papua Lake was the S2 Alpha facility and underneath it the level S4. And that was shocking to people. They're like, oh, well, Doody's lying to him.

And then like Internet magic. And Stephen, you've got to understand one thing about me. If it wasn't for the Internet. And these slews and amateur detectives on the Internet who had a fondness for me, who came. out and helped me every step of the way I never would have solved this. And a guy comes forward on a chat room on YouTube to defend me and said, my name is Master Sergeant Michael Munoz.

I was in procreation and security, whatever the lingo is. S2 Alpha is real. I was there. I have the DD 214. I can tell you how to get a wall clock. I can tell you the security clearance to get into dignitary. Rick Tote is not lying to John Stewart. S2 Alpha exists.

And, you know, the internet, you know, UFO community was like, well, okay, now that's two people. Jason Sands now has come out that S2 Alpha is real. It's the administration building. And it's important. Why is this important? Because I had to build my case from the outside end. First I had to prove, is there even a facility where Victor and Bob Lazar say there's a facility? Yes. Do we have documentation that it was built? Yes, we have a FOIA that we got in the 1980s that said it was clearly built in 1962 at site two called the S2 Alpha building.

So I proved that there's a building there. I prove what it was. I now have three people, three people from the military with DD214s that put them at that building that say it's there. It was there for 20-something years and it was there to hold. retain and interrogate extraterrestrials. Game, set, match. So then I moved on to, you know, the film and everything else. Wild stuff, John. I mean, look. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S.

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And what really grabs me too is, and I never knew this actually until you said it a few minutes ago, that the Department of Navy Intelligence, the D&I abbreviation appeared on the bottom of that screen. So that's really interesting to me and the fact that for a department that doesn't exist, so to speak, and we know that it does, that that would be included on a video almost 30 years ago.

Yeah, to prove the bottom of Zheard Lizarre story. I mean, I forget the film. have done so much with the help of the internet, with the help of investigative reporters and investigators to prove so many other things with euphology. And people, there are people that just don't like me. They don't want me to succeed. They want to keep the, the, I call the, my wife and I laugh all the time. We call the UFO world, our community like Knott's Landing or Dynasty or Beverly Hills 90210. It's a soap opera. And we all want to keep playing in the soap opera. And, you know,

and Stephen Greer comes in and the music cues, and Linda Bolton Howe is fighting with Rick Doty and next week on, you know, Beverly, you know, and I get that. I get the psychology of that is, but I have dropped so many truth and I prove so many things around the periphery, and one of them, I think, is huge,

is the Department of Naval Intelligence because it proves one part, a huge part of the Bob Lazare story. So I asked a Navy aviator who was an office, and a friend of mine that I met through this subject matter. And I had texted him one day. I said, Mike, is the DNI real? Of course, right away.

I'm like, wait. I'm not talking about Office of Naval Intelligence. D&I. He goes, I know what you wrote. Yeah, it's real. It's where the spooks are. Wait, I still have the text. I'm like, wait, explain this.

He said, the DNI is an agency inside the Department of Navy. And you'll never find it because it has no shingle on. hanging on the wall. It is real. It is real. And it's like the CIA spook arm of the Navy. I said, how do you know it's real, folks? He said, because before I went to Naval Aviator training in Pensacola, they try to recruit me to work for this agency as a spook. He kept saying spook. I'm like, you know, this is a guy that's got two master's degrees, author, Naval Aviator. you know, this is a stand-ups, this is a stand-up guy. And I'm like, that's just shocking.

He goes, you're never going to find it. You will never find it. It's an agency in the Department of Navy. You'll never find it. And I put that on the internet because I, Stephen, I'm just the play-by-play guy. And people have discredited me for that too. Like, why does he tell so much? Why does he bring so much information?

Because that's what I owe the UFO community. When I know something, you're going to know something. I'm like your stock broker. So I brought that out that like this guy, Department of Navy, about two months later, a guy named Sean Kettle sent me a security conference from Toronto, Canada. And on this 18 page brochure, this is bombshell, it says, so I'm not going to say the name right now, so on and so forth, his assignment, the United States Department of National. Naval Intelligence. He was going to, one of the speakers that day. Bomb shell. And then, of course, we, the other person that, that, that, that, that, that said that the DNI was real. I can't name either. So we, we've got like, we've got like three people to come forward to say the Department of Naval

Intelligence is absolutely real. And then the other bombshell, but this is my story. I know it sounds like a joke told at a bar. I go to a microbrewery owned by two retired CIA people. One was in linguistics and one was a director-level CIA officer. I'm going to be very specific. And they own a microbrewery. I know it sounds like a joke. My cousin's introduced me to him. He's at the bar. He's got his hands into like a preacher position. I said, can I ask you a question? I'm working on something with a friend of mine. I said, is the Department of Naval Intelligence real? This director-level CIA retired, looked at me and said, yeah, it's real. And you can see, like, he caught himself like, oh, God, why did I say that? I said, I'm not talking about the office of Naval.

He goes, I know what you're talking about. It goes, the DNI is real. Yeah. I said, somebody told me, like, it's an agency buried. He said, yeah, basically, that's a good description. He gets up, and he goes in his office for like 30 minutes. My cousins and I were like, is this guy dropping a phone call on me? But he was very nice. And when we left, his wife, a linguistics, linguistic analyst for the CIA, grabbed me by the elbow, pulled me aside. And she said, and, you know, I don't know if we need to get into this,

but my emails were stolen off my iPhone twice. She said, don't look to the DOD who stole your emails. It was the NSA. And I'm like, oh my God. You know, I'm like, like I got these two big bombshells. And later on, an anonymous person told me that, yes, the NSA, got a court order,

used a program on my cell phone called Stingray I centipede and literally swipe my emails on two different occasions. And I bring that up to speak logically to your viewers. I'm full of shit, right? Oh, this is all bull. The video is a hoax. There is no DNI. I'm asking people, why did the NSA, one of the most secretive arms of the United

States government, get a court order to break into my iPhone? Why? If everything is a bull, if everything's a hoax, everything's a joke, ha-ha-ha, bad little documentary in 97, why did a government agency break into my phone? And that was that email I put on Reddit or whatever and on the internet. And that was that was a courageous intel person that said, this is what's happening to your phone. I've had other people tell me that they also think a foreign government came into my phone just because of the sloppy way my emails were taken off and whatnot. So I just, I'm not bragging like I'm Mr. important in the guard. I'm asking people

trying to use logic like we're at a bar having a beer together why is this sending alarm bells all through the intelligence agency why has no one come forward in hollywood to claim that they filmed it and why am i being why is the deep pressure being put on me for me investigating a hoax video i just give it back to your viewers that's something for you to answer but you need to think about that because that's that's the truth incredible stuff and i know people will ask john well What do you mean your, your emails were broken into? I mean, how can you prove that? So what would you say to somebody who would say pretty much that? Like, how can you, how can you prove emails are broken into? I've got every screen. I can record my screen. I've got my screen going blurry.

And the text message to my wife, I have my screen flipping around, not the little hourglass, flipping around. The second time I, the first time my emails were missing, I made a report with Apple. they did a forensic audit of my phone while I was sitting there. They broke into my phone and you could see the forensic electronic. I've had another person say that's exactly what happens. The second time my emails, this is right after the Lockheed firefight story, which I don't want to get into. My emails were stolen again.

I went to Apple. I have a case number. I have the woman that helped me. Her name was Arsh. I went to the Deerfield Police Department. I made an incident report. the police officer from my village said, I do not blame you for doing this.

What you're telling me has happened to your phone for the past two years. I made an FBI report about my phone and the email. So I have this whole paper trail of Ann Apple, the director of forensic audit at Apple, over the shoulder of this woman named Arsh. At Apple said, and I heard him, I want you to tell him,

we have never seen a text message screen go blurry since I've worked here. We have only seen photos for some reason become blurry. We have never seen someone's text message screen go absolutely cloudy Milky White. And the only thing you could see on the bottom was my wife's last text to me. The director at this, off at this department, Apple Forensic Audit said, I want you to tell him we've never seen that before. I even had a Russian, I call him my Russian hacker in Chicago, and he said, my friend, there's only two Gs that could have done this to your phone.

And I'm like, who are the Gs? And he's, and he pointed to the sky, God, and he goes, and I think you know who the other G is, you know, the government. Now, what else does the UFO community want me to prove that my phone was incurred? I have, I have screenshots, video screenshots of my phone or my, the emails are going up by themselves. I mean, it's just, I documented all of that. That is one of the things that I heavily documented.

And again, Apple, my police department, the FBI, all have the information, all have the report. I have all the report numbers because it really kind of unnerved me. And then finally, I was shown what was happening. And the program was called Stingray Centipede. And yes, like an idiot, I pressed a certain set of numbers on a text message. And that was off to the races. So it's my fault. Wow.

But it happened. And I'm just asking, forget about why or forget about if it did or it did. The question is to your viewers, why is this guy getting this heat? Why? Well, that's actually, that's what I was about to ask you, John. Why do you think? And a couple more things on this and want to get into Victor a little bit more to you and then get into DARPA as well.

But I got to ask you, why do you think, like in your heart of hearts and your gut, why do you think that what happens to you? What are they after? What did you do? to bring that kind of heat on yourself, do you think? Okay. People are going to laugh like, oh, this guy is not too bright. And I'm not a bright guy.

So don't laugh at me, laugh with me. And it's not even funny, but it is like, oh, my, this guy is George Costanza. So when I got the list from the DIA that showed time date, what kind of being this was, who was in that room? I called one of the rear admirals. I found him on, I found his information, and I started emailing him. and we had such a good conversation, Stephen, going back and forth for a week.

I wasn't going to fly out there and play golf with him and go to one of those gas stations to get that clucky chicken or that crunchy chicken and we were laughing about it together. He's like, call me my nickname. I don't wear the uniform anymore. This guy was so cool. Former DIA director.

Wow. And I had the boss to send him the report. I'm like, he's like, all right, tell me what your documentary is about. And I'm like, and I gave a preamble like, my dad was in the military. My uncle died in Vietnam. I'm like, please. He's just, I'm just telling you this is what was sent to me.

And I sent him the report with his name on it, that he was standing in that viewing gallery, watching that alien, and he ghosted me. And I know for a fact, he took that and dropped a dime to the DIA, like, we have, you know, level five breach. This guy has all our names, time date. Who gave this to him, blah, blah, blah. That was number one. Number two was an agent from the National Air and Space Intelligence Center out of right pat.

I got given his contact. We had a nice, you know, exchange. I was going to interview him in silhouette like Victor, voice change. I sent his commandee officer 15 of the most explosive questions. Probably any military arm has ever seen, like, how long have we had him? What's their nature? And the bells just went off. And he goes to me again for two months like the other guy.

Then he comes back with a copy, paste, a text from his seat. do never call us, do never contact me. You are to erase and destroy all of our communication. You are now on a special Pentagon watch list. And I, you know, boom, I'm like, oh, all the DIDD coding, like when you get a corporate communicate. And I literally had to change my underwear. And the third thing, which I know sent alarm bells was,

I had a code of a document that was put out by the a fake, or Dan Burrish, who claims to be a microbiologist at S4. And I said, well, I'm going to call, I'm going to prove this wrong or right. And he gave a code for a document about extracting tissue from a bean. I sent that code in a FOIA request. And people are like, oh, is this guy on a death wish to the DIA? And didn't hear anything. And I called him and the guy, his name was Andrew at the FOIA department said,

this is really weird. your name is on our system without a file attached to it. I said, what's the big deal? He goes, you can't get on this system unless you have a request file. I'm like, and? He's like, well, that means somebody came in here and removed it. That was said to me by Andrew of the FOIA Department of the Defense Intelligence Agency. And he said, I've never seen that before.

He goes, I'm going to get to the bottom of this, I'll get back to you. Three hours later, I get a phone call. Happy go lucky Andrew is, yeah, yeah, okay, check your. email. Yeah, all right, yeah, see you later. Thanks. I click. I'm like, she didn't sound too happy. I checked my email. I put it on the internet. Big long letter because of the unusual request of this coded, which Rick Doty said, that is a military, top secret coded, correctly coded, which is Q, which is Quebec, which is the area of at Papus Lake, the year 94, 1994, and then the document or the procedure or whatever, that's what I sent

to the DIA and it said because of the unique nature of your request, we will have to conduct inter-crosssectional conferences with other agencies to disseminate how and if we could, sends you this information under the Freedom of Information Act. This will take longer than 20 days. It was like, I'm like, oh, they're going to, they're now having meetings at the Pentagon from department to department to discuss, you know, this automobile dealer's request from Chicago that and and Rick Doty told the public he said look I'm here to tell you I know somebody in the DIA John Stewart with that with that FOIA request sent off and Rick Doty said the guy

usually called trip flares he said oh they know him they know him so you know it's um you know again all this is a hoax Dan Burrish Bob Lazar Rick Doty everyone's a hoax except that all of this examination is going on in my life All of this heat is going on in my life. And that's something the art and skeptics cannot and will not touch and explain. Unbelievable stuff. Yeah, it is. It is.

And I got all the documents, all the case numbers, all the FOIA requests, the FBI files. That is something, thank God I did, I did capture. How did all this end up? Are you still in the middle of it or is it kind of cooled down a little? No, you know, in a scene out of a movie, I was at my lawyer's office and he goes, this has all got to go away. And we just did a email to the Department of Defense, to the NAAISC at Wright Patterson,

to the DIA and the NSA, because I was appealing a ruling because I wanted to find out if they were encouraging, doing an electronic incursion on my phone. They denied my appeal. So we were appealing that. So we wrote an email to four agencies to say, Mia Copa, we're done.

No more appeals. We're going away. We're going to play. forget about John Stewart and Stephen I am looking at you in the camera I mean I think I've come across as at least a sincere guy I know I'm a blow heart and hyperbolic

but the day that happened everything stopped my iPhone started working perfectly there was no more problems with podcasts I couldn't conduct a podcast by a way I mean I can give you 20 names I could not conduct a podcast it would take hours days I've never seen this before this has never happened before

I was something is going wrong in our studio I could not conduct a podcast without some sort of problem all of this my phone everything everything all of it went away the minute I told all these agencies okay you win I'm done I'm not going to investigate and I've halted my word I've not bothered anybody I've not bothered anybody with the DOD and the DIA um and the heat has calmed down thank God I got to tell you it sounds like you've got to answer enough you know what I mean just from the heat quite honestly. How long ago was that? How long has it been calm sees, so to speak, since you said, all right, I'm not going to bother you guys about this anymore. That was about four months ago. And it's, and it's, it's, it's, the, the amount of peace that it has garnered. My phone would go off at, at, at midnight with, with a creepy like ringtone. And I'm not very intelligent electronically. Do you know the, the procedure you would have to go to to set the alarm on your iPhone. It's clear your screen. Get into the home screen. Find the alarm app. Click the alarm app. Set the time. Set the a.m. or PM. Find the ringtone.

And then press the time you want it to go off and then activate. Folks, I didn't do that. And so twice my alarm, my, my, my, my, my, my, uh, my alarm went off and then I, that kind of creepy stuff. Um, my daughter walking into our, our, uh, like our addition where our, uh, Big screen is for me to show her the alien interview. She gets a random Snapchat from somebody she doesn't know what she's not friends with. A minute before she's looking at Daddy's alien documentary and it says, do you believe in aliens? What's the cool?

I mean, come on. Come on. Something weird. Someone was trying. And Chad Kaelic and Bart Sabrell, the moon, the fake moon landing guy, whatever you think of Bart. Bart told me, he's like, they're not trying to kill you. They're not trying to do anything except make you crazy.

And he goes, and if you're screaming at your wife, that you're going crazy of all the stuff that's going on, and Bart started laughing. He goes, it's working. They just want to fool with you and make you crazy. Sorry for swearing. It's like they just want to make you crazy. And he goes, and it sounds like it's working.

And I'll leave you with this. Chad Kaelic, one of the nicest guys in Uphology and documentaries. He's a documentary producer. He did the Mr. No Face documentary where he thought he filmed a gray ale. alien peeking out at an abandoned facility. He told me, he's the first guy I've ever talked to when I did this investigation. He said, John, listen to me, 20 years in the paranormal, never any weirdness of my life. He said, I am telling you, the week I started investigating gray aliens, my life electronically

went absolutely haywire, and I am just warning you to be prepared. Chad Kalik turned prediction into prophecy, because that is exactly what happened in my life. Incredible. Man, so all that said, and I still want to touch on a couple of things here. So it's all that said, you're still moving forward, though. I mean, as far as the documentary itself, releasing the information, like all that stuff is still in the works. Yeah, you know, and that's just another thing. Some of the names of the list of the men that were in that viewing room watching that being leaked out,

do you think everyone went on the internet, John Stewart's a hero? No one discredited them. Everybody said they were all legit intel people that. no one's ever heard of. Nobody pats me on the back. You know, it just kind of just glowed, it just goes away, you know, probably way bigger than the Wilson Davis memo, three names on that list of, from the DIA, remember the leaked list to me, from the DIA about that film and about how it was smuggled out, were leaked out, somebody unredacted, my redacted, and it's like, well, you know, no big deal. Okay, so anyways, my point is this, yes, I am going to reveal,

which is the only thing that I really try to do. I wanted to find Victor. I found Victor. I will reveal his name. His entire bio. Why? 27 points. Why Victor, this man is Victor.

And you could stop at the photo match. It's like, you know, my agent saw it. He rolled his eyes. It's like, this is ridiculous. You will hear everything about Victor, the bio. We'll talk about all the men in the room. We'll talk about the widow. The doctor's name was on this list of the aliens right,

our left. I found his widow in California. I showed her the film and closed up his face. She called me back. She's 80 years old. She's like, that's my husband. And she goes, I'm going to tell you something. You are answering a family secret, like a

family, like a bone of contention, she called it between me and my husband. She said, John, you know, and her 80-year-old voice, he never talked about his time in the Army Medical Corps. And all of us, our relatives and friend group could never figure out why he doesn't want to talk about anything about being in the Army as a medical doctor.

And she said, you are solving a family question. And she goes, and a light bulb's going off over my head. This is why. I said, I'm going to give her a fake name. I said, Kim, do you realize what you're telling me? She's like, I realize it. I watched the video. She goes, I'm not shocked at all.

Because this man told me nothing. And it became a bone of contention in our marriage, that he would never say anything, anything about his time in the Army Medical Corps. When all of our other friends from Korea, World War II, Vietnam would tell funny stories about boot camp. My husband was mom. You know, what do you do after that? I mean, you got somebody identifying somebody in the video and plus all the names.

And me content did that rear ramble. So you'll hear all of that. We try to put this on streaming service. It's too weird, I think, for Netflix Hulu to pick it up at this point. So we're not going to be able to recreate the alien, which we wanted to do to really show it in the face of special effects people like, this is what you created in 2024. And look what they created in 1996. You know, like, come on, you know, even special effects people would have a hard time in 96. We'll show special effects people that say it looks that it could have been a hoax, but there are movements that that alien makes that I can't figure out.

like, well, then that's game set and match. If he's making moves that you've never, you don't know how an animatronic person could do this because there's like five moves at one time. The head tilt, he comes up and then forward. If he's making moves, that a special effects expert says, I don't know how he did it.

This second rate video production company, isn't that kind of saying like maybe it's real? I don't know. But so, yeah, so we're, you know, without being too explosive, I'm very nervous about releasing some of the names. I don't want CNN trucks showing up at their houses or condos or whatever. So that is very disconcerting to me.

That is like a really hard bridge for me to cross. But I guess I'm at the point where I have to do it. Now knowing that some of the names leaked out, but I don't want people calling this old, this woman, you know, about her, you know, doctor or husband. And it's funny, she said something that Victor said in 1997. The medical staff is. chosen more for their ability to keep secrets than they are their medical knowledge.

I find that funny that an 80-year-old woman who's never heard about this says the same thing that Victor said and not knowing that I would contact her. So I'm just going to, hey, look, I'm the play-by-play guy. I know that bothers skeptics. They want to, he's a grift. I have not sold anything. I've not asked for money. If you don't want to hear Victor's identity when I put out the pay-per-view streaming online, don't buy it.

Don't buy it. Simple. You don't have to spend any money on this, but I've spent $20,000 of my money, five years to bring the public. My investigation, I'm not ramming the truth or what I think down anyone's throats. And I found Victor, folks. The biggest whistleblower, in my opinion, in American history, I found him. I identified him, and I'm in contact with them. And I'm proud that I completed my mission. What's the timeline on this, John? What do you think, you know, as far as, I know it's tough because a lot of moving people. But what do you think is when that might come out? We're thinking we're thinking late fall.

I told everybody March 4th of next year. That is when I got the report sent to me about what the day it was, this film was, how long, who filmed it, who was in the room on my birthday. I thought that was a little coincidental. But on my birthday of next year, no matter what, everyone is going to know everything. But I'd like to do it in a professional manner. I'd like to recruit some of my investigative money.

I don't think that's, you know, being a grifter is putting out known fake material for money. I, you know, I am putting out my investigation and the 1,000% identity of Victor for a little bit of money. If you don't want to know it, don't, don't get on it. But hopefully we'll have it out by late fall. And I'm sorry it's not on Netflix or Hulu or whatever. I, you know, we failed.

So, but I will get the information. out to people like I promised. And I need to move on with my life. And March 4th, the UFO world won't see me anymore, you know, actively. You know, that's when it all shuts down. I just have to move on with my life, you know. Well, it'll be the end of an era. So I guess once we have the documentary come out.

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Dealer inventory may vary. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Event ends March 31st. Toyota, let's go places. No, listen, it's been really fascinating stuff, John, and striking a lot of it. You present a lot of really hard information as far as, you know, it's for anybody who wants to say that you're out here, like you said, you know, grifting or putting out false information. I mean, I'm standing here. I can just speak for myself. I'm standing here and I'm looking you in the eye as we talk over video here.

And you're not coming across to me. And you and I had never met before until today. You're not coming across to me like a guy that's making things up on the spot. I mean, you're hitting things hard and fast. You're, when I look at you, it seems like you're just, you're recalling facts as you talk to me. So. Thank you. Yes.

I mean, that's, that's, that's my reading. And I'm telling people I don't know. Doesn't anybody appreciate that? Right. Do we have any other luminary in the UFO world? Any other researcher that says, I've come across this? This is what I found. This is what I read.

This is what I was shown. And I don't know. And don't give me your credit card number. Right. There's nothing more I can do to legitimize a simple investigation. I don't know. Is it a hoax? I don't know.

Is the alien real? I don't know. Is what happening to me real? 10,000 percent. Don't push me in the corner with that because you'll get your feelings hurt. Is it a hoax video? I don't know. Is it a real alien?

I don't know. Well, you presented some incredible things to consider. That's for sure. Thank you. Absolutely. I mean, when it comes to the validity of this entire sequence of the video and a Victor, of course, who's, you know, that was a pseudonym for the whistleblower who put out this video

and a lot more to be learned from Victor, who apparently is still around. It's pretty incredible that you were able to find this guy. What was that like real quick? Because I want to get to DARPA before we're done. But what was that like? Can you tell us the process of? Well, the FBI said he was real pedactic, meaning precise and, you know, not wavering and, you know, real structured. And he's yelling at Art Bell and the producer on the Art Bell show about a wrong phone number and getting this wrong. I call him. And right off the bat, he goes,

goes, hello, John Stewart. I went, and he starts, and I'm like, how do you know it was me? He's like, well, it's called caller ID, and his wife is laughing in the background, not at me. So I'm like, maybe I don't have the right, even though I did. And so he goes, well, um, send me what you want to send me. I can't say it's me. And let's talk tomorrow, or talk tomorrow during normal business hours. I write him an email. I will call you between 11 and 12. 1115 on the day I said I was going to call him, he's on my caller ID. Victor calling, sorry, I'm hyperbolic. Victor calling me.

The guy that's trying to tell me, he's not Victor. The guy that yelled about a phone number, he calls me and says, hello, this is. And I said, oh, hi, how are you? Thanks for calling. He goes, I thought we were planning on talking at 11. I'm like, are you trying to tell me your Victor? I mean, the second conversation, you're yelling at me about, missing a time and about a phone call like you did on art bell i'm like but anyways he he's not

as mean or like you know stressed as he appeared in 1997 he's been very you know very nice to me um you know i i you know we we are sending each and i have to tell you this quick story we're sending each other no articles like i i think you'd find this article interesting on the internet my agent goes let me get this straight so we went from a global uh uh global whistleblower spy ring documentary to a buddy movie. You know, can you see the movie posters, me and Victor in the car, you know, going cross-country? But I thought that was my head to tell that story. But yeah, so he's not as much of a jerk.

But yeah, he's reluctant to tell me, you know, and when I've gone over some of the topics and why, you know, he spent 10 minutes that he never owned that tie that's in the video. I mean, like, okay, you're, you know, you're kind of revealing your hand. You're spending 10 minutes telling me you don't own that. You never own that tie. And I'm just happy. I'm happy with myself that I actually, 30 years later, it's like finding your father, your biological father.

And I'm happy. I'm relieved. And I just want to get this out to the public. And, you know, everybody can, you know, my wife will say, yeah, yeah. My husband wants to get this all to the public. And then the UFO community will have a parade for him next year. The following day, and they can throw roses at it. him and she's like can we get back to like our life and our marriage and you know god bless her but

yeah so well once it comes out i love to have you back on you know to absolutely you know talk more in detail love to as victor as victor said that it's real he's he said hey john this is no he's not even said that he's victor oh got you oh yeah you know so again you know i hope people can appreciate my honesty instead of being saying oh he's he's rolled over he's told me everything oh no no my question is this forget he hasn't told me he's Victor admitted it. Why? I'm willing to pay him a lot of money to come out and say, you know, the whole story and whatnot. So why would he not tell me the hoax video was a hoax and he was Victor, right? For a payoff? So why is he, what is he afraid of? That's for your viewers to ask. Why is this guy afraid of telling me this hoax video is a hoax video?

But you feel 100% that you, that this is Victor that you've been speaking. Stephen, 5,000 percent. This is Victor. Two FBI people, two police officers, investigative detectives, FBI agents, three UFO people, one of them, Jack Connors at Cosmic Road, who's been, you know, a good friend of mine, Hollywood producers. Everybody's like, this is a joke. The overlay, and I can't give any details, we did an overlay.

of Victor and my Victor, and it's from the 97 documentary to somebody lightened his photo. That's how I got to find Victor because of somebody on the internet, an angel. The photos are a map. They're not slight. It's a perfect match. Everything. Lips, nose, everything, everything.

And then the 27 points, it's like, of course. I mean, we kept on going, of course. Oh, that's the reason. Oh, that's how he did it. Oh, that's how he knew him. You know, people are going to be, it's not even close. But the film, who knows? I've done my best to tell you what we think.

And that's all I'm going to show people. Well, we look forward to seeing that for sure. So before we go, John, I got to ask you something that really just happened within the past week or two. What's happening with DARPA? Yeah. You came out on social media. specifically on X on Twitter. And you said, I have this email.

I'm not saying, kind of like with what we're talking about with Victor and the alien interview video, you're saying, I'm not telling you this is the real deal, but I'm getting this information and you're vetting this person back and forth. And they're telling you that there are DARPA whistleblower, who, by the way, Annie Jacobson, who I just want to mention real quick, because I think she's brilliant. And I'm trying to get her on the show. I haven't had any luck yet. But she's a Pulitzer Prize winning and nominated. writers, investigative journalist. She calls DARPA the brain of the Pentagon. And DARPA goes

way back, 60s and 50s and everything like that. And so what's happening here is you're getting an email from somebody who's saying that they are a DARPA whistleblower. And they've told you that DARPA, one of their main missions, is right now to avoid a full-on alien invasion.

Am I getting this right? Yes. Let me clear something up. Why are all these people? people emailing John Stewart. Okay, because for five years, I've done 30, 40 podcasts asking people, begging people to email me if they have any information about the extraterrestrial phenomenon. So about eight people at this point have emailed me that I picked out eight people with some very hyperbolic and scary stories.

A Navy psychiatrist, a former employee of Lockheed that said that Lockheed and J-Soc had a firefight over a reproduced alien craft in northern Nevada. And again, you know, there must, we have a psychiatrist in our extended family, and she's like, John, you're giving your personal email. That is very personal. That makes people feel that they're not going to go through an office or a chain of emails to get them.

You're letting someone contact you directly. that is very personal, personal. And I think people feel that they can open up to you because they know they are contacting this man directly. That made sense to me. Why maybe some of these people feel comfortable coming out to me. And she sent me a long email. Again, this was about a year ago.

She sent me a long email. I'm a scientist, master's in electrical engineering. She's patented things. She's worked on systems with the space shuttle. and she said my agency, my company was contracted to do work with DARPA. You know, DARPA, you know, weeds out things just like the aerospace industry. And she said, I worked, you know, she said shoulder to shoulder with DARPA on certain applications and whatnot. And when I was trying to find a facility, and I thought that was interesting,

and if she sent me the studio biopic of her bio photo of her at her work and whatnot, her, whole list of credentials. And this was a year ago, you said, right? I just wanted to speak that. So everybody's like, oh, he's coming. No, no, no, no. I kept it talked away. Just like the Navy psychiatrist.

The only reason when I came forward the Lockheed stories, because right after my emails were stolen for the second time, so I got paranoid. So I kept this hidden for a year with this woman. Then I asked her, I said, look, we're having trouble with the facility where they took aliens, extraterrestrials from the 50s and 60s before Papu's Lake. She said, I'd never heard of the facility. she said but here's what I can't tell you she sent me her essay about her understanding of the extraterrestrial phenomenon and she said I want to tell you from rubbing shoulders with and working with DARPA

and listening and hearing you know what is going on and why they're doing certain things and she said and she sent me the essay but in her email she said you know I'll give you the my two sentence you know DARPA is really right now working on repelling and she used the word planetary invasion. Yes, that's 1950s, you know, horror movie verbiage. The vernacular probably was hyperbolic. And I, after

many people on the internet asked me to re-contact or ask her, come on, planetary invasion. And she even said, yes, maybe the word choice was, was not right. But there is an ongoing excursion of off-planet's intelligence coming

to our planet. And it's ongoing, and I'm using my verbiage now. And they're here, you know, human beings are an afterthought. They're here to take resources, and they're here to take back. She said their own, and really almost kind of to like just like the final coup d'agra. You know, there's what we need. We're coming. We don't care about you.

And when I hear in the government about this, the year 2025 or 20, 27 because she said this is going to happen in the next two years. And when I hear Tom DeLong, somebody said Tom DeLong has the same like warning in other people. And, you know, and yes, planetary invasion sounds so 1950s, you know, Mars attacks verbiage. But I know what she meant. And she's just like, and I'll give the elevator pitch of her essay. It's like they're redundant. There's no personality.

There's no feeling. hive mentality. They are here to keep their species going whatever means, whether that be food, resources that they need and that they need to keep their species

procreating. And she said it's mechanical. It's not, this is not, you know, like somebody would say in the movies, nothing personal, it's business. And she just told me that this, you know, she goes, I'm not backing down. This is happening. and it's, and she said, it's ongoing, and it will culminate in the next two years.

And that DARPA, their main objective right now is to have a contingency plan for an event of something of that light going on. And I would say that makes me feel good that at least the government from maybe these interview programs that I investigated, the extraterrestrial interview interrogation program, that they realize that something might be happening and that they're having contingency plans. in an effort to repel anything, whether it's even a species going rogue or something even innocuous like that. And when you hear like Stephen Greer being told from people in the Pentagon that they're rolling out

these hybrids on an assembly line, is it possible they're rolling out just like soldier robots like the Honda company's making? So we don't have to interact if there's some kind of extraterrestrial incursion or, again, a species goes rogue or something that has to, where it's a confrontation with another species. I want to compliment the Pentagon.

I think it's nice that they are planning for any kind of bizarre contingency, whether it's, you know, an alien interaction or a zombie apocalypse. And you can roll your eyes at that. But, you know, what have we been seeing for the past 70 years? And remember, these species don't live on a timeline of living 100 years. Some of them said to have lived, you know, three, four hundred years. So a 70 year, you know, the past 70 years, we've seen the uptick in craft coming to this planet. And it seems to be crescendoing.

It seems to getting more and more. And now we're getting allegedly beans coming out of their crap like the Las Vegas backyard event and other things. The Zimbabwe School and what happened in Brazil and James Fox, what he's investigating. I mean, you could see that the uptick, it's on the uptick. It's like a stock market. you know, chart. It's going up. It's not going down. And so what is the crescendo? And I will leave you with this, because everybody respects them. Danny Sheehan has said of his analysis of the past 70 years of extraterrestrial phenomenon, he goes, it seems that they're mapping the battlefield.

They're preparing the battlefield, like a good general. They are mapping the terrain, right? They're studying our weapon systems. They're over missile silos. The rover air force bases, monitoring. They are mapping and figuring out our species, you know, analyzing our semen, our ova, our biological material, analyzing the food source, which would be, you know, the cattle mutilations. Andy said, and figuring out what our tactics would be in an incursion, like the Tick-Tac video, where it gets close, or the UFOs we've seen that have come close to military aircraft. I think that is a very lucid analysis of the UFO. phenomenon. This is a pre-battlefield, you know, reconnaissance of planet Earth. I really believe that.

Whatever, maybe it is just scientific, but it does seem like they are doing everything a military general would do in prelim preliminary plans for a battle or a war. The terrain, the enemy, their weapons, and their tactics, all things that we've seen in the past 70 years. And that's Danny Shan, not me. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's starting. It's true. I mean, but, you know, at the same time, a lot of that lines up with other things that we've heard, right?

Whether it be John Ramirez, you know, former CIA who's talked about that 27 timeline or Leslie Keen or even Jason Sands, who I've spoken to about this. And he said, you know, they got that from me when it came to, you know, what I heard in my time in the program. Right. with respect to what that whistleblower wrote to you. It's kind of the same thing I heard from Jason Sands, which is they want their stuff back and they want their people back, so to speak. Yeah, and she didn't back down.

That's like you said, oh, John, you come with facts right away. I'm looking at your eye. This woman did not back down. And, you know, and it's like, wow. You know, and is, do we have flesh-eating aliens coming? I don't believe that, but do we have a species that's like, no, we're coming to do this or we're coming to take back this or that, you know, that I think is more. And we've been doing that all around the planet for thousands of years.

Yeah, listen. We're not trying to, you know. One more advanced society taking over a less advanced society. I mean, come on. What, are they any different than us? No. Listen, yeah, we're not trying to scare anybody into submission here either. You know, nobody knows what's going to happen.

All we can do is look at who's saying what and try to connect the dots. And we don't know how things work out in the end. You know, it's just simply a discussion of what's been. and said what's been happening and around it. And I would say the military is preparing for it. So again, this may shock people. They think I'm against the military. I'm, I speak nothing but kindly about the DOD and the men and women that are willing

to go pick up a gun and go in a foxhole and protect me or fight for some crazy war that some Congress and want them to do. So no, I, I am so glad that the government is preparing for all kinds of crazy scenarios. That's, that to me is prudent. Well, next time. John, maybe we can get into some wrestling talk, too, because I'm a big wrestling fan. Okay. Oh, I got all the stories.

Oh, fantastic. We can maybe jump into that another time as well. But this has been great. I mean, so much to consider and a lot of really fascinating and striking things that you put out there, John. I appreciate you taking the time to do it here today on UAP. Stephen, thank you so much for having me on. Thank you to your viewers. You know, take this information as it goes.

do your own homework, I tell people, think out of the box, and that should help you get a grasp of this situation. And to you, Stephen, and all your viewers, God bless all of you. Have a great safe summer. And hopefully we can talk in the fall after this documentary comes out. Yeah, absolutely. We'll keep in touch.

And real quick, how can people kind of keep track of what you're doing and all the things that you've got going on? Yeah, my website is huntingvictor.com. I'm on Hunting Victor on YouTube. And again, you know, email on Hunting Victor, there's a page where you can email us and, you know, keep abreast of what's going on. And if anybody has any more crazy stories, my email personally, which I answer, and I'm very good about that, unless it goes to junk, is J-O-N-A-L-N-S-T-E-W-A-R-T-A-L-L-com. And email me, I'm very good about answering people. I appreciate it.

appreciate all of the help. Again, if it wasn't for the internet, I wouldn't be where I have been. And I am with the Victor investigation. And I will always credit these great human beings and great people on the internet that really helped my investigation. And I thank you for having me. Absolutely, John. John Stewart, investigative producer, he's finding Victor. He's out there. And maybe he's talking to him right now as well. And it's a lot more to come. John, thanks again for doing this. And we'll talk again soon. Okay. Thank you. Well, thank you again to John Stewart for doing that. Man, what a tour to force if you was.

I hope you enjoyed it. Again, a lot to consider. It opened my eyes. I'm going to be completely honest. This whole thing has really been eye-opening for me the past couple of days since John and I spoke. And then since producing this episode and looking into more information and all these different things, I didn't realize how in-depth this story went.

So I appreciate John just personally for kind of opening my eyes. eyes to how deep this goes. It's really something and it's, I'm really impressed at what he's been able to uncover and the contacts he's been able to make. And I wish him the best in finishing all this up. And like I said to him there, we'll definitely catch up again down the road here as all this information comes out and the documentary and all these different things. And as he approaches the end, he said March 4th, 2025 he's done. So we'll definitely talk again to catch up on everything else as he wraps it all up, but just incredible stuff to consider, especially there at the end, too. I would have loved to spend more time, but we were already talking for a while

and it was already, you know, so much information. But what we talked about there when it came to what Danny Sheehan was talking about with, you know, is this some type of pre-battle planning that we've been seen over the years? Or, you know, NHI playing the long game when it comes to a preparation over the past 70, 80 years or whatever it may be when it comes to how long they've been seen in the modern, you know, modern day here throughout society. It's kind of a weird thought. It's kind of a disturbing thought. And I'm not saying that's true at all.

It's just something interesting to consider, to say the least. And I do find it intriguing how that DARPA scientists, when she emailed John, talking about her information and what she had to say, it really did match a lot of what Jason Sands had to say as well. And I don't assume that this scientist and Jason Sands had any type of prior, you know, communication or that they know each other. I have no idea if that's true or not. I'm just assuming for the sake of, you know, statistical odds that that would be the case that they didn't know each other or, you know, had any type of contact beforehand. But so if that is the case that they didn't know each other at any type of contact,

then they're both kind of saying some of the same things when it comes to, hey, you know, some of these NHI are not happy and they're going to come here in the next few years and take care of business. So if that's the case, man, we got a lot of stuff to look out for.

That's for sure. And hopefully it can be avoided if that is the case. But again, a lot of things to consider here from this interview. I appreciate John coming on. Incredible stuff. Again, kind of opened my eyes. I've gone down a whole different rabbit hole.

myself just from this. So I guess the last thing I'll say is, you know, none of this is a distraction story. And I wanted to throw that out there because I've heard people talk about that before. I'll be the first to say there's a lot of really bad stuff going on in the world these days. And there's no question about that. And so, you know, whenever something happens in the news when it comes to NHI, aliens, UFOs, UAP. The first thing that some people say is, well, time to distract people from what's really going on because of aliens. And that really bugs me.

And I know I'm kind of getting on my high horse here, but this is just something that's been on my mind. I don't look at this at all as a distraction story. In fact, I think it's the complete opposite. I think it's a story that is completely ignored until something sensational happens. and then the mainstream media can use it to gain, you know, eyes and clicks and views and everything. And that's when they pay attention to it. It's not so much that it's a distraction story that the mainstream media wants to use to distract away from any of the major other stories that are going on.

It's just that they know that aliens, aliens are sexy, not in the way that you're thinking. And in the way that if there is some type of, you know, major sighting or David Gruss is talking, Capitol Hill in front of Congress, those are things that they can sensationalize and gain attention from, which means more people, you know, bringing in and consuming their content. So it's really just a money play for them. It's more of an attention and content play for the mainstream media. It's not that they're trying, in my opinion here, that they try to distract from something with an alien story.

It's just that if a juicy one comes out, they're going to jump on it because it's content. So I personally think, and I know this is kind of coming out of left field, but it's just something that's been bothering me. When you hear about these different things, when you hear about these stories, when something becomes, you know, big in the mainstream media, I really wish that that narrative would go away, that, oh, we're distracting with the aliens again. No, it's really, for the most part, ignored. Listen to all the things that we spoke about here today, John and I, for the over the past. hour. No one's talking about this in mainstream media. Look at anything else that I've brought up in any episode of UAP. None of that's been talked about in the mainstream media. Again, with the

exception of, you know, little things here and there with like David Grush and things like that. But for the 90, for the vast majority, 99% of the time, anything we discuss here on UAP is completely ignored in everyday life in the mainstream media. So I really wish that that's that narrative of distraction stories would go away because they have plenty of stories to choose from if they ever want to actually use aliens as a distraction story. They actually ignore it. It's the quite opposite. They ignore it.

They act like it's not there. Next time that comes out, all I'm saying is I'm not buying that narrative. They just like content and it's content for them. But okay, I'm off my high horse. Boy, that's two weeks in a row. I got on a high horse about Mick West last week. Now I'm on a high horse about aliens being. distraction stories.

I guess I got a lot of things eating at me these days. Anyway, thank you so much for joining here on this new episode of UAP. There's a lot more to come. I look forward actually to putting out my new episode with Ashton Forbes. We talk about fascinating. Wait until you hear that one. I always love talking to Ashton. He's really just a different level when it comes to what he presents.

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