UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: The Las Vegas Aliens Case

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

Remember the story about those 8 foot tall aliens in Las Vegas? Well, it turns out they might actually be real. Renowned crime scene expert, Scott Roder, joins Stephen to explain the details of the family video that he says proves that those beings really were in the backyard that night. If you start this conversation as a skeptic, you just might leave it a believer...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Well, hello there. Stephen Dean are back with you here for another edition of UAP's greatest hits. Glad you can join me again to look back on really what became one of the hallmark calling cards of UAP. And I think everything I've done over the past four years, and that is the Las Vegas aliens case. I spent a lot of time covering this case over the past year. And the reason why I'm bringing back the Las Vegas aliens case on this edition of UAP's greatest hits, is because, believe it or not, it has been two years since that day or since that night when that event took place in the backyard of the Kenmore family. It made international headlines, the green lights in the sky,

the police responding to the case, the dash cam video, the police being freaked out when they got there. We still haven't seen the security footage from the backyard. That's the remains under wraps. But the fact of the matter is, two years. years removed, it still remains as one of the biggest cases that have unanswered questions, even though I spent about four or five different episodes talking about it with crime scene reconstruction expert, Scott Roder.

So that is the reason why I figured, you know what? I always like to put out a greatest hit's edition here and there, bring back some of the older episodes so that way they don't collect dust or get buried under everything else that's been produced here on UAP over the past almost four years. That'll be four years in July, by the way, in case anybody's. counting. But specifically this one today, because it is the two-year anniversary of when this happened, and then a year later, I brought on Scott Roder, and that really just began a crusade for this case with Scott and I. As I said, he came on the show about four or five times in

total for us to talk about this case. So if you'd like, if you forgot how those went, or if you haven't heard those episodes with Scott, by all means, you can go and listen to those. after this one because this was episode one. This was the first time I covered the Las Vegas Aliens case here on UAP. So on the two-year anniversary, I thought now is a good time to bring this one back to remind us about what this was like when I first brought on Scott Roter to talk about this case. Outside of that, make sure you are subscribed to UAP and paying attention online at UA Podcast 850 on social media because I have a lot of big plans for May. So hopefully they all come together and I'm really looking forward to bringing it all to you here on UAP.

But for now, for this greatest hits episode, whether it's the first time you're hearing it, well, get ready. If you have heard it, maybe forgot some things. Either way, whatever the case may be, I hope you enjoy this edition of UAP's greatest hits. Welcome back into this newest edition of UAP Weekly. I'm Stephen Deiner back with you here on the Unidentified Alien podcast. and I am excited to be back on here today because, and I know I always say this, so it sounds cliche, where I'm like, oh, I can't wait for you guys to hear this.

I'm so excited to be back with you to talk about this. But I say that because it's true. And it's especially true in this case today. So I don't want it to be lost. Like, oh, okay, I know you're excited. You're always excited. Yes, that's true, but it's for good reason, especially today, because we are unearthing the case of the 8-foot-tall aliens in Los Angeles. Vegas. And of course, we all remember this story. It actually happened just over a year ago back on May 1st,

2023. The reports came in. The police dash cam video, police vest video, saw this, you know, green street coming down through the sky. And we could absolutely say that as a meteor, but maybe it's not. You're going to hear more about that in this episode today. And then we got reports from Angel and his family, the Kenmore family out in Las Vegas. That's, we heard on the 911 call, where they said that they were eight to 10 foot tall gray aliens with big eyes in their backyard. And of course, it got national and international attention. Everybody was talking about this for a week or two. And then it kind of went away.

And we never really heard more about it. No one knew what really happened, was it investigated more. What the heck was going on were the really eight foot tall aliens in the backyard of the Kenmore's? So admittedly, I honestly kind of put this one in the back burner along with everybody else. until I was brought to the attention of Scott Roder. And Scott Roder is who is joining us here today to unearth, to reignite the conversation surrounding this story. So Scott Roder is a crime scene expert.

He is an expert at reconstructing crime scenes. And you'll hear us talk about this a little bit of his background during the interview. But we kind of just jump right into it. So if you didn't remember the case or if you weren't familiar with it, that's what we're talking about is this case of the giant aliens in Las Vegas from last May. And like we said, everybody didn't really know what to make of it, but Scott says that he can prove through his crime scene expertise and video forensics and the background that he has in this field that he was able to take his crime scene expertise and apply it to the video that the Kenmore family took

that night as they were walking into the backyard to investigate themselves what was happening and where these giant aliens were. So he did work on this video and he says from the work that he's done, he's been able to point out how and why they really were seeing eight to 10 foot tall gray aliens or beings, whatever we want to call them, in their backyard. It is fascinating. It is eye-opening and quite honestly, it's also kind of mind-blowing. So if you never knew what make of this case if you thought it was all kind of a joke, it was a hoax, it was to distract him, everything else that was going on. At that time with David Grush, by the way, this was the same time that David Grush was coming out and doing his interviews with Ross Colthard, and we were just getting

introduced to him. So some people were saying this was a distraction story, but you make up your own mind. Like we always say here on UAP, listen to what Scott Rotter has to say and the evidence that he puts forth from his own expert opinion. He's not normally in this arena. Again, this guy who's worked on major cases, international cases, which you'll hear about in this interview, but just take into consideration what he has to say about the Kenmore family, about Angel. You'll hear us say those names. We're not talking about angels. We're talking about the teenager, Angel who made the 911 call from the Kenmore family. And everything that went along with it, and it is all so, so fascinating to consider. So here it is now, without further ado,

my conversation with crime scene reconstruction expert, Scott Roder. Scott, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you, Stephen. I appreciate it, man. It's a pleasure to be here. Yeah, absolutely. So I wanted to bring you on here today, actually, to speak about something specifically when it comes to the UAP world.

I know, you know, normally you're not used to dealing in the, you know, UFO, UAP type of arena, but you kind of dipped your toe in it with this Las Vegas investigation from last year. And it's something that, quite honestly, there's so much that goes on in the UFO community every single day that this case kind of, I hate to say, it kind of left my mind with everything else that's happened over the past year. But this popped up again because of your work on the video from the Kenmore family. So as we get into that, how did you get into this Las Vegas alien video? What peaked your interest?

Why did you take this up? Well, I mean, I've always been kind of a consumer of the UFO phenomenon, just from a, you know, a listener and a viewer, I watch all the documentaries, I've seen all the movies and all that stuff. I've been fascinated by the subject, you know, pretty much my whole life. I've never had any kind of an occasion to dip my toe in it until my good friend Ross Colthardt, who I know through working on cases on the bottom side of the earth. 10 years ago, I met him while I was working on the Oscar Pistorius case in South Africa. And since then, we've become good friends. I've done several crime investigations and reconstructions for him when he was a part of a show in Sydney, Australia,

called Channel 7 Spotlight. That's basically their version of like 60 minutes or 48 hours, that kind of thing. And I've done four or five shows for that channel. but actually I'm leaving for Australia June 1st to go to another case in Sydney, Australia. And anyway, Ross, we've kept in touch over the years and just became good mates. And, you know, he gave me a copy of his book in plain sight and sent me all these videos. And he got me hooked down the rabbit hole. And so, you know, as just a general consumer of the UFO kind of, you know, field that's out there,

I became a listener to a show called E.T. Reality with a guy by the name of Jim Quirk. Real nice guy. Kind of a bulldog. Looks like Andy Reed with a mustache. He's out of Pennsylvania. He's a former journalist. And, you know, it's just a real fun character. And he profiled the case on his show.

And I, you know, I was like, well, you know, I'm qualified as an expert in video analysis, you know, on other things. So I was like, let's see if I, you know, reach out to him and see if I can, you know, work with them and try to. augment the video to see if something's really there. When I first saw the video, I thought it was very authentic just from a human behavior standpoint. I see a lot of crimes. I do a lot of police-involved shooting cases, a lot of SWAT team type cases. And this family, right off the bat, to me, I thought was very authentic.

The way they went into that backyard was critical. It was a four-person stack. The oldest, most capable, the father was at the front with a weapon. The second oldest was Angel with a weapon. The third was the youngest brother with a weapon and a flashlight. And then the mother was in the rear recording and observing, which is the way a family should try to approach a threat. To me, these people just seemed very capable. It seemed that they were truly terrified by whatever it was that they saw.

And I wanted to find out, well, you know, what do they see? What scared them so bad? Because people were, you know, really maligning them calling it a hoax and all this stuff. And I didn't think that that was very fair because I felt like the family needed a fair shake at telling this story. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you took it up because what you found is really quite striking. And, you know, it's funny because when I was watching these videos and I saw Angel had put out a video himself about a week later talking about it, kind of detailing their experience.

And like you said, the response was kind of like, oh, you know, we're not sure what to make of these people? What made you a believer once you started looking into this? What was it that that you saw where you pointed to you're like, oh my gosh, like there's actually something there? Well, I mean, I don't believe in anything. I try to have my personal beliefs in things. I try it. What can I prove? Right. And when I looked at the video, the first thing that I wanted to do when I put it on the floor in the queue with my team was to authenticate the video. The number one step, you go back to base principle, authenticate the video. Is it original? Is anything been added to it? Has it been tampered with? Is the audio track the same? So we

dissected that video. It's, I think, a minute and 47 seconds long. And we were able to get a copy of the video that was posted, I think, to Reddit, six days after the story became public. So it's the very first copy available on the internet in an unedited format with no filter, no, anything like that. So we took that video and we painstakingly looked through it to see if there are any artificial artifacts, if there's any audio anomalies, if there's any sign that there was a animation or something added into the video. And after about a week of looking at it, absolutely, it's absolutely authentic. So my next step was to look at, well, what are they reacting to?

And when they go through that back fence, the head of the father and angel kind of separate for one second. And in that one second, I see something that moves from right to left. I was like, let's look at that. So we zoomed in, we augmented it, and we tried to see what was there. And this was over, I think, eight months ago. And that was the only thing that I saw at that time. And I even went on Jim Quirk's show.

And I was like, we have something here in the background. This is what scared them. I was even on a friend of mine show Surviving the Survivor. And they had on a debunker by the name of Michael Schermer, who was, this is what UFO is and whatnot. I immediately didn't like the guy because he was a, he's a lone gunman conspiracy theory regarding the assassination of John Kennedy.

I knew he was full of shit right from the get. And that's really, you know, and as a crime scene reconstruction expert, everybody in my field, we all know that John F. Kennedy was shot from multiple shooters. It's a fact. It's not an argument. Anybody who says that it's a lone gunman, you know, what can I tell you? But to get back to UFOs. And then I went on surviving the survivor, and they just kind of really didn't give it its justice.

And I was okay with it because you really have to look at that first video that I did from six months ago. And you have to have a good screen on your phone. And you have to have it in a loop. And you have to really focus your attention on it. And although I felt like it was good evidence, it just wasn't enough to move the needle from the community. So I just kind of let it go. And then a couple of, I think a month and a half ago, a subscriber of Jim's show. sent in a message saying look above the fence.

So I looked above the fence. And you could watch that video a thousand times and not see it. And it's right there. So it's kind of this, you know, wherever your eye, because my eye was trained to what are the people reacting to. So I put all my attention there. But then they put my attention to what's above the fence. I was looking above the fence.

And it's undeniable that there is a head. above the fence standing at about eight to 10 feet. And as a crime scene reconstruction expert, it's critical to look at the witness statements. And the witnesses in this case from the very beginning have said that they encountered two beings that were eight to ten feet tall and had big eyes and they were definitely not human. So there were some arguments about this head. Is it a shadow? No, it's not a shadow.

I'll do a real shadow one-on-one class for everybody out there in the audience. Light source, object, shadow. For a shadow to exist, it needs a surface, okay? Shadows don't float in midair, right there. It needs a surface to exist. There's no way that that head could be a shadow floating above. the fence. A shadow needs a surface to exist in the camera frame. And then we looked at that, well, could it be a camera artifact? Those things do exist. It happens from time to time. No,

cannot. What are the chances that a camera artifact meets the exact description of the witness statements? It's impossible. So all of the attempts that I've seen so far to debunk this video was, one, it was a hoax. We proved it was not a hoax. We authenticated the video. Also, the reason it's also not a hoax, Las Vegas police, they are taking this case seriously. Homeland Security was taking this case seriously. There were multiple reports of a very bizarre UFO, I'm going to call it. Some people are calling it a meteor. There's something wrong with that meteor. It's coming down at a very steep angle. It does not show up on a heat signature with a player camera. Also, it's making a mechanical sound. And we have it captured on five different

areas where it's making a mechanical sound. So it's very bizarre. And we've triangulated it and there's been some great work done on Reddit by some people out there where they've triangulated all of the footage of the, of this UFO coming down and have put it right in the area of Angel's backyard. So. And then we have a 911. phone call from Angel. Very credible. He's scared. The police come. They're scared. Police chatter from the radio that says, hey, the guy's got an alien in his backyard. I saw the UFO. My buddy saw the UFO. They're scared. When they get done with their investigation, mind you, there's 13 minutes of missing body camera footage from them in the backyard, which should be released. They're not releasing it because it's juicy, I'm going to guess. There's something in that footage that they don't want out. So it's not a hoax. 100% it's not a hoax. Second argument, it's a shadow.

Absolutely not a shadow. We can prove beyond any reasonable doubt with an experimentation and with the work that I've already done that it is not a shadow that's not even in the ballgame of argument anymore. Camera artifact, absolutely not. You can't have a camera artifact just manifest in the same exact way that the witnesses are describing of what they saw. So what could it be?

Chances are it's real. I think it's real. The evidence to a degree of scientific certainty is that these beings exist in the same physical reality as the Kimmer family. The Kimmer family is telling the truth. The video is authentic. These beings are real. And Stephen, I'm even going to tell you that this is just the beginning of the investigation on this case because we have now found other documentation inside that video of other beings. even more clear than the one above the fence.

Really? Inexplicable. Yeah, we haven't released it yet because we're still doing our due diligence. We're probably going to do it maybe sometime after June. Because I'm testifying next week on a murder case. I can't really work on it. I'm traveling. And then I'm going to Australia and I'll be there for nine days.

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ask you about this. And I know I don't want to spoil anything that, you know, as far as you got to finish up the investigation and all the forensics and all. But what are we talking about here? Are we looking at the same type of figure from the fence, you know, some type of eight foot tall figure? And how many more? I have, it's just so weird, man. I have one figure that is so clear. and it looks like it could be the kind that's above the fence. And then we have some other ones that also are beings, but they don't look like the ones on the fence. But those are much less clear,

and we have to do more work to the one I'm pretty sure we're going to release in mid-June. Yeah, mid-June. But the other ones we still have more work to do. But we have a team on it. Listen, I'm doing this as a non-month, nonprofit. Because I'm an expert, this isn't how I make my money. I make my money from my company that I own, evidence room, we are crime and shooting scene reconstruction experts. We get hired to do experimentation, forensic animations, scene visits, expert testimony on serious, serious cases.

This UFO thing, I'm doing as a nonprofit, as a contribution to the community, because I noticed in the UFO community, there is a lot of ego. And there's a lot of profiteering as well. And I don't blame people for making money. People have a career. Listen, I'm a capitalist. I get it. We're cool.

But if you exploit scenarios and drag them out for the purposes of money, I think that's kind of BS. It's kind of cheap. And then also bad-mouthing people that are coming forward. And if you're not the expert, if you're not the disclosure guy that brings out the evidence, then it's not real evidence. There's a lot of ego with that. Like, for example, Jeremy Corbelle, I'm sure he's a great guy. But he saw, heard about our investigation.

He said, it's bad for disclosure. The point is, it's not about one. Nobody has a monopoly on revealing the nature of our reality. And I think it doesn't matter who you are. if you have legitimate documentation, you should be taken seriously if you have some backup and metadata for the video, right? So I've actually went and I bought a website, UFO tipline.com. People can send Scott at UFO tipline. Send me your video. I'm going to create a community video gallery with only verified videos with metadata that I'm going to screen and put up for the

community to look at. And that's going to be my contribution. contribution to, you know, disclosure. That's fantastic, Scott. That's awesome. And I think that's something that people will really be excited about. So very cool on that end. And actually, it kind of leads me to my next question when it comes to your history of investigations, right? We've touched on that.

Actually, I believe you, you mentioned the famous case of Oscar Pistorius. It was February, Valentine's Day, February 13th, 14th, 2013. Oscar Pistorius, really the face of South Africa at that time, a para-Olympian champion. The first stable person to ever qualify for the regular Olympics carried the flag of South Africa. This guy, good-looking man, was a dary supermodel, had everything in the world going for him and had a tragic event where he, I believe, the evidence shows, and I've been a staunch supporter of the fact that it was an accident and he did not kill her out of any intent to kill her. He thought it was an intruder.

We just had a documentary drop on CNN, the Oscar Pistorius case, how it really happened. I think it's a real fair documentary about that case. But yeah, those are the kinds of things that we've done. I've opened my company, Evidence Room, based out of Cleveland, Ohio, the greatest location in the nation, the Emerald Necklace in 2002. So I've been in this business, you know, 10 years prior to that. So I'm 53 years old. This is all I know how to do.

I used to be able to play baseball. I make really good pancakes. And I do crime scene reconstruction. And now I guess I proved the existence of E.T. So, you know, add that on too. Man, I'll tell you. And by the way, kudos on the pancakes because those are not easy to make. I can speak from experience.

I'll have three children. They're all grown up now. And, you know, baseball dad and all that stuff, you've got to know how to make food for like 10 kids in your kitchen. you like it. Good for you. I need some lessons maybe. But no, I say all that. I'm glad you brought it up because I wanted to highlight the fact that, you know, again, this isn't something that you would normally dig into, but you saw something here. You saw that there was something happening that we didn't have answers to and you've used your expertise to prove, right? In your opinion, with the evidence that you have found that there is something there,

it's not a shadow, it's not a markup on the camera, like it's not a hoax video. It's more than something. There are two beings there in the same physical reality as the Kimmar family. And they're not human, okay? I can't tell you if they're extraterrestrial, if they're extraterritorial, if they are interdimensional. Nobody knows that. We can't get an interview with the people with these beings. But they're there.

And they scared the hell out of this family. They sure did. Let me ask you all quick, though, because I know when you said they're not human and when you said that, I can just hear people thinking, well, how does he know that? So I'll ask the question. How do we know they're not human? I met a lot of humans in my life. And I've never seen anybody that looks like this.

Because you've seen more. I mean, you've, like you said, you have more coming out that we haven't really seen. Yeah, we have more coming out. We have more coming out. I don't want to say too much, but it's pretty exciting. when my tech found it and gave it to me and augmented it and highlighted it and outlined it, I dropped what I was doing. I was just like, wow, this is absolutely inexplicable.

And it's really interesting too because it kind of backs up, well, not kind of it does. It backs up the story of Angel where they said they saw two beings. So if we're accounting for the other one and now apparently there's other things happening there, other beings. So this is really going to. it's it's kind of going to i don't know break news it's it's going to really make a lot of waves in the ufo community when you guys bring that out well i whether it makes waves or not i'm not sure but i i think that to me it's important to always strive for the truth right and everybody out there

has been expertise you know everybody has something that they can offer to you know a group think crowdsource type of thing and that's what i want this to be i'm not looking to to be the UFO guy, I've got my business take care of. But if I can inspire other people to, you know, be part of a community to verify, authenticate, elaborate, bring in other experts. There's a lot of people out there that have great expertise. But the problem is people, I think, are fearful of kind of blowback or impressions. There's still a little bit of the giggle factor.

Although I have noticed on the news, they stopped playing the X-Files music, which I think is good. And the government is now saying, oh, well, we have the tick tax and this stuff. But it's all very confusing because it's just the same government that ruled John of Kennedy to be assassinated by a lone gunman.

It's the same government that put that war on commission together. It's the same government that is at eternal states of war. It's that same government that's giving foreign aid to the billions of, and yet our infrastructure in America is falling apart. It's the same government

that is, is saying that we got your back, but yeah, we feel like our back is exposed. So it's that same entity that we need to rely upon. So I think to me, the UFO file and the truth file of recent history need to converge, because I think that's where the truth really is. I think there's something about the UFO file

and there's something about our U.S. military that they're so inexplicably tied together. You will never get voluntary disclosure until we have peace in the world. And unfortunately, I don't think we're really close to that at all. Yeah. Man, well, it's well said. And I wanted to ask you, too, I know you've never investigated anything like this before, but have you ever seen anything like this before?

What I mean by that is when you were going over the video earlier, I believe back in April and you were kind of explaining you know you can see something moving past the fence you can see like you know a leg movement there and then we see this figure and it's almost like I think you you described it as a cloaking some type of you know blurry

cloaking image but it's what I call it right so what is that I mean have you ever seen anything like that and all the time that you've been doing investigation that something would be showing up like that presenting itself with this smoky filter. Well, it's very, very interesting to me because, I mean, obviously we know that the U.S.

military and certain place, you know, high-tech people, they have cloaking technology, right? It exists in our reality of 2024. So if, you know, aliens are real and these ETs are coming from someplace else or different dimension or somewhere else here on Earth and they're more advanced, which most likely they are, at least technically, you would expect them to have some kind of a cloaking technology. But I've never personally experienced it. And the thing about it was not only did the people, the Kemmore family, not notice the being above the fence. They were reacting

to the movement of the being in the background. But the camera was interfered with in capturing that image. When we looked at the pixels in the area of the smoky filter of the head above the fence, the pixels were diminished by 66%. Wow. So any other object in that video, we had 100% pixels that were able to look at per square inch of the resolution of the screen. But in the area of the filter, or in the area of the smoky head, it was so, the pixels were eliminated. Two-thirds of the pixels were gone, and we can't explain it. We just can't identify it. It's not a resolution that is consistent with what's going on in the rest of the screen.

Also, if you look at the video that I posted on my YouTube page, the 31-minute video, there's a section in there where I demonstrate when the filter, when the head comes into the screen, there's two artifacts that are on top of the head, like right about here, right by here. And those two artifacts are not part of the background in which the head comes across. So there are two artificial artifacts that I am hypothesizing now, if it is a cloaking technology, that it brought some background from where it was before it got into frame. before, and it was only there for 24 frames out of a 30 frame second and it's gone. And that's how long the head is available on screen is 24 out of 30 frames of one second.

It's fascinating. I mean, this is real evidence. This is stuff that you would put forward in a courtroom, in a crime scene. And so it's, it's hard to refute. Because you're talking about an intentional distortion. When you're saying, you know, 66 out of 100 pixels and everything else is 100, How do you account for something like that? I mean, can you without saying that there's some type of defense technology being used?

Well, I mean, we're hypothesizing because I don't have cloaking technology. We don't have the ability to, you know, to say it's application A, B, or C. But we can, you know, and it is scientifically sound process to come up with a hypothesis, a working hypothesis. That's what you do when you do a reconstruction. So it's okay to say, well, why are the pixels being interfered? Why did the camera family not see a 10-foot being that was two feet away from them? Right.

Because it was shielding itself somehow from both the camera and the people. So I think that's a reasonable hypothesis. I've never seen anything like it before, but now I have. So now we have this experience to build on. And more importantly, we have a protocol that we can apply to other videos. So if we get original videos, and that's why I put up that, about that website, you puttipeline.com. So if we get original videos with the metadata, we're developing a protocol where everyday people can authenticate the video and then we can make a determination for ourselves what's real and what's not.

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That's Shopify.com slash UAP. Yeah, really good stuff, Scott. It's so fascinating to consider. I mean, because to look at this from the, you know, essentially science, scientific evidence standpoint of a video. And I think that's what a lot of people were missing. So you're right. You know, to kind of take it upon yourself and be self-relying and say, well, shoot, let me use my skills and my

professionalism and what I know about this, this world and how to find evidence and to, you know, determine what's real or what's not. And it sounds like you've been able to do that. I wanted to ask you this, too, because I know we don't have a lot more time left here together. And I could probably talk to you for two hours, quite frankly. But, you know, and I would love to come back on when I have more time and talk to you about a bunch of stuff. We can talk JFK. We can do a lot of it.

And I'm getting, listen, I can't say too much. But I actually, so since this came out, I gave up my, my person, one of my backup emails, my Gmail account. And I got a video from a guy. And it's a purported abduction of a video on a craft. And it is inexplicable. It is so freak. I haven't been able to verify yet. But we have been able to verify that the video was taken a thousand.

and feet above the guy's house. Really? But the video itself is out of this world. It's crazy. And I'm getting dozens and dozens of emails a day. That's why I wanted to get that website up and going because everybody should see this. Everybody should see this stuff. It's here.

It's all over the world. And it's happening on a daily basis. And I don't know what the, you know, I think, why not? I think it's really interesting. And I like, because as a crime scene guy, all I deal with is humans. killing other humans and all of those kinds. It goes, so I already know people suck. That's not a big mystery to me, right?

So let's find out. Do the aliens suck too? I don't know. Maybe there's some good ones. Maybe there's some bad ones. I don't know. I have an open mind. But I think we should all have an open mind.

And really, I mean, as a curious, if humans are anything, we are curious and we are adventurers. And I think I urge people to be adventurous. curious because curiosity shows, I think, intelligence and emotional maturity and willing to face the reality, no matter what it is, we're going to be okay. Absolutely. Keep you an open mind. That's what it's all about here on UAP. So I appreciate that. I want to kind of put this out there too. Have you at all have any contact with the Kenmore family? Has Angel reached out to you? Have you reached out to them any back and forth at all? I've reached out to the Kenmore family

on, you know, all the social media, specifically Angel. I've reached out to their family attorney several times. They're very, I think, hesitant on doing anything with people that they don't know. But I tell Angel out there, listen, Angel, I'm on your side. I'm not out there to make money off of you or anything like that. I want to back up your claim. And if you can give me an opportunity to come to your yard and prove to ever, everybody, once and for all, just put it to bed.

This is not a shadow. It's not a camera artifact. We can do that reconstruction. We just go back to that yard. We have the same lighting. We've got the same people. We've got the same flashlights. We can duplicate that event very easily from a scientific standpoint and prove to everybody

that this was real. And if they would allow me to do that, I would be happy to do that at my own expense and put it out there, no advertisements. Or if they don't want it out, just for them. They could have it for themselves. but I think the family needs, you know, people in their corner because I find them incredibly authentic. And I was very upset when people were maligning them and slandering them and calling it a hoax. Because I tell you what, the Las Vegas Police Department, they don't think it's a hoax.

Homeland Security, they don't think it's a hoax. So I think I'd be very careful out there when you start calling people liars. You better have evidence to back it up because I think we have evidence to back up that this is no lie. this is no hoax, this is real. And I'm so glad you brought up Homeland Security because I wanted to ask, too, do you know of any other investigations? Because look, let's face it,

like I said at the start of our conversation, a lot of time passed since, or a lot has passed since May 1st, 2020, 3, when this event took place. I mean, we're over a year ago now, and there's a lot that comes out in the news in a year, so some people forget about it, right? Yeah.

So do you know of any other investigations that have been going on within the past year, whether it was Homeland Security, FBI or any other three-letter agency? I do not personally know that. However, I have in my queue on my radar, I think, and I don't know if it's real or not, but I feel it's real. And that's making me very curious.

And that's the Miami Mall incident on New Year's Day. Ah, okay. I'm going to be taking that on after the Vegas case. I feel that one has got something there. I've seen a lot of footage. I haven't seen any original footage, and I'm making a call to actions. Anybody out there, if you were there,

New Year's Day, 24, at the Miami Mall, and you have original footage that has not been confiscated by the FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security, UFO tipline.com. Scott Roder at gmail.com. Call me. I want that footage. Outstanding, man. We definitely have to talk again down the road because there's so much more we can get to.

But I know you're busy, Scott. So I'll get you out here on this. Everything we've talked about, right? All the evidence, everything that you've come across and, you know, you can verify through your expertise. If you had to go into court on this one and go up in front of a judge and go up in front of a jury, do you feel like you could bring in the evidence that we've spoken about here today and present it to them and win a case to say that this stuff is real and there really are eight foot beans back there 100%. It's amazing. It's amazing to consider that this really took place that there are eight foot beans, whatever these things were back there, that there's another one back there and there's other beans.

Man, it's really something. I don't get left speechless a lot. I've been doing the show for a few years now. I've had on a lot of guests whistleblowers and talked about secret government programs. Scott, you've left me speechless a couple of times here today because I'm just thinking about the implications of this. And as more people start to come across what you've done and what you've proven through, again, scientific investigations, it's going to be hard for people to look the other way. Yeah. And I've actually put a call to action out there as well.

If anybody can prove me wrong, bring it. You know, listen, people, intelligent people in the same discipline can disagree. Right. That's why we have court cases. You know, I'm an expert on cases. And typically, when I testify, there'll be another expert, similar experience, training, education, and so forth that may have a different take on the way a murder went down or whatever. And so smart people can disagree, right? However, the people that I've approached on this video so far that have presented themselves as debunkers, I've knocked down every argument they've had. Not one argument is left standing.

and I've even had several debunkers out there agree with me on the authentication of the video. So, you know, but right now it's pretty quiet out there. I don't hear anybody out there saying it's a hoax anymore. I don't hear anybody out there saying it's a shadow anymore. So when it's quiet, that's usually when you know you got them. It's a good point. And very last thing, because I did want to bring this up. So I apologize for keeping you on longer than unexpected.

No worries, man. I'm having a fun time. I love your show, man. This is great. You now have a new listener and a new fan because I love your style. You got a great vibe. It's really fun. No, that's awesome.

Thank you, Scott. That's really great. I appreciate that. And I'm saying to you. Like I said, I'd love to have you back on because your approach is fantastic. I mean, your knowledge.

Absolutely. So on this note, then, CGI, right? We haven't spoken about that. I know some people have accused of that or all. And they would hear you talking about this and say, well,

okay, yeah, I can't be debunked by a shadow or by a mark in the camera or anything like that. But what if they use CGI? What if this family just wanted to try to get famous off of this? And they put some animation in there. CGI is not that good yet. Can't get by my eyes.

Can't get by my people. We have all the CGI apps, all the CGI subscriptions, all the stuff and things, just because we want to see how good it is. It's not that good yet. It can do some pretty things. It can do some creative things. But it cannot integrate into real video without, having a signature and there will be a signature even if AI integrates into it but there's no

signature here everything is as it was recorded and I'm you know listen I'm trying to stay up on AI our vector software motion tracker is AI fueled so AI assisted us in verifying that not only is the shadow head being number two is what I'm calling it above the fence not the result of a projection of some other light source but we're able to track the body behind the slits of the fence to be perfectly in line with a tall thin being body attached to the head moving behind the fence independently of any other light source so AI actually assisted us in authenticating these two beings. That's a good point.

And we have no idea what happened to them after this sighting, right? I mean, as far as what Angel and the Kenmore family said, you know, what happened afterward? I guess we don't really know. Well, there's more to the story. You know, for one, we need to get the 13 minutes of missing body camera footage from the police officers of the Las Vegas Police Department that went into that backyard. 13 minutes of footage is missing. And all I know is that when they turn the camera back,

back on to leave, they said to Angel, don't call us. And they were scared. And they left. So what did they see? There's more to the story. And it will come out eventually. And we'll be there when it does. Have you tried putting in a request to Las Vegas PD on that?

Is that something that you know? No, I have not. I have not. But I have, I think Jim Quirk has, you know, I've reached out to, I think we've left messages with, you know, a couple of the reporters. there. I don't have access. I haven't done it personally yet, but if we do get that footage, you know, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm ready to analyze it right away. Just absolutely phenomenal stuff here today, Scott. Thank you so much for coming on UAP and going over all this. I can't wait to

have you back on. You know, like you said, hopefully we'll get you back on here when some of those other videos you talk about come out in the mid-June area. You start to talk about the Miami Mall. That's kind of in my backyard here in South Florida. So that was really quite fast. not saying you back in January. There's some really cool stuff going on there. And I'd love to be back on, Stephen. Like I said, I love all the vibe that you got going on here. Smart guy.

Great questions. So I'd be honored to come back if you had me. Absolutely. I really appreciate that, Scott. Thank you very much. And one more time, tell people where they can find you, the website, everything like that going on. Okay, well, my company is Evidence Room. You can find that at evidence-room.

We're also on Spotify, Crime Scene Time Machine. My YouTube page is Scott Roder at Crime Scene. And then we have CrimeCentimeChine.com. We are a nonprofit when it comes to UFO. So if you want to make a donation, all money goes to it. We're taking $8, price of a cup of coffee. You get a trucker hat that says Crime Scene Time Machine on it. And that's patreon.com for it slash Crimcene Time Machine.

And then we just bought the website, UFOTIPline.com. It'll be up and running, I'd say, in about 10 days. Outstanding. Scott, thanks so much again for coming on here. And we'll talk again later on right here on UAP. I appreciate it. You got it, brother. And there you have it.

And to be continued in a sense, I suppose, because I will absolutely have Scott on the show again, if you would like to come on and it sounds like you would. So that's exciting because he's doing more work with that video like you heard. And that really did blow my mind when he's talking about what else they found. So I'm very much looking forward to seeing his, I guess, you know, newest presentation on that video, something that no one has seen before.

So I will definitely keep you up to dead on that when we find out. more. But really just a smart guy to talk to, a guy who knows his stuff. You mean, like you heard him talk about, you know, working on the Oscar Pistorius case and, you know, a lot of different criminal investigations, high profile cases. So this is a guy that knows his stuff. And for him to take the time to put it toward this subject is really a game changer. So hopefully more people like Scott are willing to come out and, you know, apply these types of techniques when it comes to science, and forensics and things like that to really kind of look at videos or look at different cases to say, okay, there really could be something to this. And in this case, I mean, you heard Scott say

it, he would present this in a court of law and say that it's true. And I really wanted to ask him that question considering his background. So I thought, you know what, let me put that out there and see how he would feel about it. And he's 100% confident. You heard him. I don't have to, you know, talk him up at all. You heard him say how confident he would be. presenting his findings that he says, you know, is his evidence that this video is real. It's just so fascinating. So I can't wait to keep up with him on it and many more things like you heard us talk about. So thank you again, Scott Roder for coming on the show.

Just really great stuff. And maybe this changed your view on the whole thing or on the whole conversation in general. I mean, I found it to be for someone like me who was obviously open-minded to all of this, to say the least, when he talked about it, I mean, for me, I was getting chills and was like having my mind blowing. Like, oh my gosh, this really could be a thing. Like, they really might have actually had eight to ten foot aliens in their backyard. And if you haven't seen the video, I retweeted it on Friday. And I'll put it out again with this episode just so you can see, again, another visual of what we were talking about here.

So in case you haven't seen any, you want another visual, be sure to follow along on Twitter at UA Podcast 850. if you're not following the show already, myself, right there on Twitter at UA Podcast 850. Also on all other social media. You know, I'll try to put this out there more and other, and I have been putting more things out there with other interviews and episodes. So keep up to date on TikTok and YouTube as well, same at UA podcast and at UA Podcast and at UA Podcast 850 on YouTube and TikTok. trying to put up more stuff, a lot more content, and just doing a lot more in general with UAP, and can't wait to get out to contact in the desert.

If you're going, like I said before, can't wait to see you there. I'll be there on Saturday, June 1st. I have my ticket for contact in the desert, so I will be at the show that day. So if you're going to contact in the desert on June 1st, maybe I'll see you there. Hunt me down.

Say hello. I love to say hello. You know, just talk, take a picture, whatever you want to do. it'll be my pleasure to say hi and talk from it. I think that's great. So if you're going, I'd love to see you there. And it should be a good time.

You're going to be a lot of people there, a lot of speakers, a lot of big names. And so hopefully everybody has a great time at Contact in the Desert. I'm looking forward to it. Maybe we'll end up talking about this when I see you there. Who knows? There's definitely a lot to discuss. But like I said, make sure you're following along at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter and social media. And, of course, downloading and subscribing to the podcast.

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You know I've always got more at my sleeve. But thank you again for listening to this episode. It was one of my favorites. Hopefully you enjoyed it as well just because of the repercussions and the implications of this. If this can get out there more, if this discussion, Scott Roder himself can get out there more to show people like, hey, stop ignoring this. There's something going on here. It can't be overstated how huge this is.

So really, really just remarkable stuff here to consider on this episode today of UAP. Oh, and I almost forgot the email too. D-Dieneru-A-P at gmail.com. It's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at gmail.com. If you want to send me an email or something, you know, a direct message like that, I always respond there as well. But until next time, Stephen Deiner here saying thank you so much for joining me for all the nice comments and all those different things and for just enjoying the show.

really means the world to me that we can do this together and I can put this out there for you much more to come stay tuned the Unidentified Alien podcast talk to you soon be well thanks