UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Greatest Hits: The Phenomenon of the Phenomenon - Jordan Crowder part 1

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

When it comes down to it, what are aliens? What is time? Can we connect with other beings by crossing over to other planes of reality? These are just some of the mind bending topics that Stephen Diener ends up covering with the Conscious Observers podcast host, and influencer Jordan Crowder.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome back in to UAP. Stephen Dean are back with you here, as always. The Unidentified Alien Podcast for episode number 171 of UAP. We just keep going and going, keep doing my best here. And today, boy, I was really, really happy to be able to talk to this guy here that you're going to hear on this part one episode of UAP because we spoke for a long time and it was kind of a mind-bending conversation, which is what it was hoping for. Man named Jordan Crowder. If you're not familiar with Jordan Crowder, number one, you will be very soon.

But number two, he's someone who I've been following, and you'll hear in the intro here with him, that I've been following for a couple of years myself, just with what he posts and what he talks about on social media when it comes to the UFO phenomenon. And what I ended up calling here as we had this conversation, the phenomenon within the phenomenon. That's what I was really looking forward to speaking with Jordan. I was so happy that we could schedule something because he's just, he's an, outside of the box thinker when it comes to the UFO topic. And I learned, and you're about to learn as you hear, that he's actually an experiencer himself when it comes to sightings,

when it comes to remote viewing, near-death experience. You're going to hear about that during these two parts. So there's a lot here with Jordan Crowder, someone who, again, I just look at as one of really the great thinkers, the intellectual minds on the subject. And of course, you can disagree with some of his points and the way he looks at some things. But it's just so much fun for me to have that type of conversation and to really kind of dig super deep into the topic of the UFO phenomenon, the alien phenomenon. I mean, we get into the questions of what are aliens?

What is time? And what is time travel? I mean, have we been looking at time travel in the classic sense the wrong way? I mean, this goes really deep and into this conversation. I'm so happy with the way that it came out, and I hope you're going to enjoy you, too. We're going to talk about phase shifting. We're going to talk about all the things, again, that he's learned through his own experiences. And we start off with his take on 3-E. Atlas.

I wanted to ask him about that first because I had been following, before we got into the phenomenon of the phenomenon, if you will. I wanted to ask him about Atlas first because I noticed that he had an alternate take on that when he was posting videos on social media. So I was like, you know what, let me put this, let's use this as the appetizer before we get into the main chorus. And I'm actually glad I did because he gave an answer, which I shouldn't have been surprised because that's why I wanted to bring one to the show. He gave an answer that I had never heard before that I thought was completely new about

what 3A Atlas might actually mean, you know, whether or not it's a mothership or a comet. It wasn't about that when we spoke about it. It was something completely different that I think you're going to find really thought-provoking as well. So we get into all of that and so much more here for this part one of my conversation with Jordan Crowder right here on UAP. Enjoy. Well, this is great. Happy to have him on here, UAP. First-time guest Jordan Crowder host of the Conscious Observers podcast.

And I think, and I'm going to talk him up here and maybe embarrass him right off the bat. But I think really one of the smart intellectual minds. that we have in the UAP UFO discussion. Jordan, thanks for coming on here to UAP. I'm really happy to have you. Hey, Stephen, thanks for having me. It's an honor to be on your show. Yeah, absolutely.

My pleasure. And I say that as far as, you know, the intellectual part, you know, I've noticed just from everything that you put up on social media, I've been following what you put up there for the past couple of years. And I really enjoy your perspective because sometimes it's, against the grain a little bit on some of like the hot topic issues in the UFO field. And other times it's just really like interesting things that I've never considered as far as just the UFO topic and how different subjects are approached. So we're going to try to get to as much as we can hear.

One of those things actually, I'll get into a kind of dip our toes into the shallow end. There really isn't much shallow end in this topic. But maybe if we had to pick one, this would be it. three eye atlas and i say that as far as the shallow and because everybody's talking about it right it's not too too heavy it's interesting it's fun to consider um but i know you have kind of an alternate take on it from what avi lobe does and i bring up i bring up i bring up obvi specifically because i just had him on here within the past week to talk about what he has studied and what he thinks it could or could not be and your take jordan is what on three eye atlas

Yeah, I mean, it's a good place to start because, you know, we'll kind of ease people into the madness here. Exactly. It's interesting. You know, anytime something news in the sky, it gets everyone's attention. So everyone's rightfully paying attention to it. And I wish there was more eyes on it, especially like our brightest minds. It's kind of funny that, you know, NASA and everybody went dark, you know, at the most inopportune time because, you know, that's what we pay them for. They're taxpayer funded and we pay them to study the skies.

And they have all the gadgets and gizmos to do that. And here we have an interstellar object, it seems. The only the third one that we've been able to properly track. You know, it's not the third one ever, of course. We've only recently had the capability to do this kind of stuff. But it's interesting. You know, it's behaving in ways that normal comets don't because obviously it's from outside of our solar system.

And it should behave differently. It should look differently. It should have all sorts of different characteristics that we're not used to. And that's what is exciting about it. I don't see it as any sort of a craft. or anything artificial. I'm not an expert, but just in everything I've seen, it seems to be behaving pretty much as we would expect.

It's on the trajectory that we expect. It's doing some anomalous things, which we would expect from a object that's probably from the center of our Milky Way galaxy. It's very interesting. I see it as more of a disruptor. If we look at the first two interstellar objects, we had Omoa in 2017,

we had Borisov in 2019, and then we have three Atlas. And if you look at the past two, they both caused pretty big disruptions, which you would expect from an object coming in from somewhere else. Because if you look at astrology, it's all about where everything lies, and depending on where things are, they have different impacts on us.

And it's been studied for thousands of years. So whenever you look at what happened in 2017, right after Omo, Mu, we had two months later, we had the New York Times article drop that basically started the entire disclosure process that we're in now. If it wasn't for that article, we probably wouldn't be sitting here talking because everything we talk about before that was taboo, was BS, was not considered credible. And now we have all these credible people, you know, people in Washington, D.C. and scientists

and engineers and philosophers and everybody now talking about UFOs, new AP and disclosure and aliens in our place in the cosmos. And this was all stuff that was just giggled at and, you know, kind of push. under the rug before. So right after Omoa in 2017, two months later, the New York Times article dropped. That was a big disruption. And in 2019, right after Borosov,

two months later is when the COVID pandemic started. And if you look at this new one, what I've been studying it from is from that same astrology lens. And when you, I did a whole astrology reading on it when I did that, it suggested that a couple months afterwards there was going to be

big disruptions to our way of life when it comes two, you know, the first one was a disclosure thing. The second one was kind of a unveiling of, you know, unmasking of our trust in government and medical services and things of that nature. And the third one here where we're at, it looks like it's going to be more of a unveiling, unmasking of deception at a kind of a nation state type level. So that's what I've been looking at is what kind of disruptions follow this object, because it's going completely retrograde. It's going, you know, everything spins in a very uniform way and our solar.

system and this is going 100% against the grain so it's like you're just taking a still pond and throwing a rock into the middle of it and when you do that there's disruptions there's waves and i expect a couple months and then culminate and then something big to happen around the end of december going into january so i look at three atlas that way um i keep an open mind i listen to what obvi says he's a smart man and even if it just zips on out of here and it's not an alien mothership or anything like that I think it's still going to leave a little bit of disruption in its path. And possibly, if we look at the last two interstellar objects, it might leave a lot of disruption at this path.

Yeah, I mean, that's super interesting to think about, intriguing, to think about those connections with the other two interstellar objects that have come through. I actually didn't know about that. I never heard that. I never made those connections. So I'll be keeping an eye out for anything, you know, kind of monumental or strange that might happen as far as a disruption is consistent. concerned in the everyday, you know, everyday hustle and bustle.

So that's something that's, did you come across that? Or is that something that's been kind of spoken about in different circles? Because I've never heard that before. I study something, you know, in addition to everything I study with, you know, the phenomenon and everything else that I do. I also study human design. And human design is a, I'm a human design coach. So I, and I really love Raw, Uru, who the guy who created human design.

his philosophy on our reality. And a big part of it has to do with astrology, a big part of it has to do with the sun, and a big part of it has to do with the flow of neutrinos from the sun to us. And this kind of the stream of consciousness. It's like a carrier wave of consciousness. Anyways, there's a big emphasis on the exact placement of objects.

If you look at our, if you kind of top down look at our solar system, we're in a closed system, and it's like a cosmic clock. And depending on where everything is, at precise times, things behave. in certain ways. This has been studied for thousands of years. It's very reliable and very predictable and very accurate when you use this cosmic clock as a way to look at the inner workings, the mechanical behavior of our closed system. And when there's a new object that's introduced into this system, because it's a closed system, we know exactly how things behave when everything

in there is where it's supposed to be. Now you put something in there that's not supposed to be there. You put something in there that we have no context of, we have no history of, we have no way of predicting or knowing what it's going to do. And it disrupts things. They always do. And from an astrology point of view, there's no way that three eyeless is going to not disrupt the natural flow of things. There's just no way.

Now the question is how much of a disruption. And if you look at the fact that it's going, what, five degrees, you know, inclined to our ecliptic, it's going right through the entire solar system, essentially. Yeah. It's going completely retrograde. I mean, typically when we have retrograde events, that just means that something has an illusion of going backwards. Like whenever something, when they say like Mercury is in retrograde. Right.

Just the illusion of something going backwards causes technology to mess up and devices to fail and emotional behavioral disturbances. That's just the illusion. This is actually a huge object that's going completely retrograde through our entire system. And it's going to cause disruption. So, no, I didn't hear this from anybody else. It's just when I started looking at it, I did a video four months ago on this. talking about the the astrological disruptions from through Atlas to our closed system. And I did a birth chart reading on it, on it, you know, using its perioling on October 29th

as his birth date. And I ran it through the sidereal system and the tropical system and did a full astrology reading on it. And yeah, I mean, what it told me was there was going to be a dropping of the veil of basically abuse of power and lies and deceit, kind of like an apocalyptic type of unveiling that was going to occur, you know, within the, looking at the past two events, probably within 60 days of the perihelion, which would put it right around New Year's Day or so that, that time frame. And last year, December was real spicy with all the drones and everything. So this December might be a lot of fun.

Super fascinating. So we'll keep an eye off or anything, Jordan. Pretty incredible stuff to consider there. Something else that really struck me, something that's actually, I know you just did a series on your own podcast. something called the CIA Gateway Report. Explain what that is a little bit and why you decided to really dive into it.

Why is the Gateway Report from the CIA important? It's super fascinating, man. It's so fascinating. So back in 1983, the U.S. Army, which at that point, this was run out of Fort Meade. And Fort Meade was basically ground zero for all of the psychic, the, the military psychic assets and programs and all the kind of stuff.

So all the Stargate, Center Lane, Sunstreak, all the top, you know, remote viewing and CIA and Army psychic programs, the legendary ones, were all run out of Fort Mead. So that was because we found out back in the Cold War days that Russia had psychic spies and they were doing all sorts of kind of psychic espionage. And it had us scared because we're like, uh-oh. You know, it was all about competing back then. you know, if they have this kind of missile, we need a bigger missile. And they have this many, you know, submarines. We need this many submarines. And now we're like, oh, crap.

They have psychic spies. Like, they're gone to the next level. So our government started scrambling. They sent, you know, Wayne McDonald, who was one of the top military intelligence people. So back then the Army, it was kind of like the CIA is now. They were at the top, the tip of the spear with a lot of this, that kind of stuff. And so they sent them out and they said, okay, we need. to catch up with Russia, so find out everything you can.

Here in America, we don't want to leave our borders. Who are the best psychics? Who are the best consciousness researchers? Find out everything you can about consciousness, about reality, about how to manipulate reality and all this kind of stuff. And he sent out, you know, he went out on a mission, and he found the Monroe Institute. And he went to the Monroe Institute, and he went through Gateway program. He went with the doctor, completed Gateway, and it blew his mind.

And he was like, wow, like, this works. Like, but how does it work? He had to go back to his superiors. And these are all military people, right? So he had to go back to the superiors and explain to them how this worked. And he had to do it in the right way so that it made sense because he had no context. He was like, I know this works. I know I just left my body.

I know that I just kind of went to different places astrally, like different dimensions, talk to non-human intelligences, these kinds of things, remote viewed, you know, time traveled, all sorts of different things. But he's like, how? How does this work? And how can I even present this to my superiors without them just thinking I'm wacky? So he went into a deep dive into all the surrounding fields, you know, quantum physics and psychology and, you know, like all the different, like at that time, this is back in 1983, the leading edge of things. And back then we had some really smart people, you know, David Bome, Ishtok Bentov, you know, Robert Monroe himself, all these people were deep into this stuff.

So he put together this comprehensive report so that he could present it to his superiors. It was classified for like 20 years. it was never meant to reach the public. It's very dense. It's very analytical. It's a super in-depth analysis of what our reality is, what consciousness is, how our thoughts, how our mind, how these different things affect and influence reality, what time is, what space is, what aliens are, all of the things. I mean, he goes into everything and he goes into it in such depth and precision and using all these, you know, scientific sorts. very, very reputable sources.

So it's not just this one guy's opinion. And it's a very comprehensive breakdown of consciousness and reality and our place in it. And I just think it's fascinating. And I did a two-part deep dive on it and like four and a half hours worth of just analysis of it. And it's pretty mind-blown. Yeah, it sounds like it. So can you give us a little bit some of the highlights, some of the things that really kind of stuck out to you when you did that series and what you discovered researching this? because that must have taken you a while to kind of sift through and find all the different little tidbits in there.

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I've been a huge fan of Robert Monroe for a very long time, read all his books multiple times. I think that they're probably the three most important books that exist. And going there and training there, you know, learning remote viewing by Joe McMonicle personally, being immersed in that world, seeing that I can traverse this dimension. I had multiple different face-to-face encounters with non-human intelligences. We had many, many paranormal things happen.

We had physical and non-physical encounters with other beings and stuff. Seeing all this in reality and knowing that this is all absolutely real, the Gateway Report I thought was so refreshing because it allowed me to kind of verify these things. and speak about it with some more context. So people don't think I'm crazy. But so the things in the report that are, I thought the most astonishing was, I mean, there's so many. But like they go into basically like different dimensions.

So if you look at it like an ocean, if you look at, we're at the top part of an ocean where the water's kind of roiling and wavy and chaotic. That's the top part. That's this physical matter of reality. That's what it's all about. Everyone has free will here. There's 8 billion people on Earth.

free will. So it gets a little wild. And then at the very bottom of the ocean, where it's perfectly calm, perfectly still, that's what they call the absolute. The absolute is source. It's, it's where energy goes to rest. It's where after all your sojourns and all your incarnations and every life form throughout the universe will eventually return down to source. That's the absolute at rest. Now, in between there are these intervening dimensions. And inside each of those dimensions, it's like a layer. It's just different layers from absolute source all the way up to our physical matter reality here at the top. And you can visit all those layers. You can, anybody can go to them. And in fact, a lot of times we do in our sleep. If you make it to stage four of your sleep in the

REM cycle, most people have an out of body experience and go to these places, different places. And that's not even weird. Because if you think about it, your consciousness doesn't sleep, only your physical body sleeps. So anyways, you learn how to phase shift through these different dimensions. And it's really fun because when you phase shift these other dimensions, there's intelligences there. It's like if you were in the ocean, there's going to be different types of sea life in each layer of the ocean. And they get stranger as you go. Stranger in the fact that they're less familiar because they're far removed from your density. So when you start exploring these different dimensions, you run into and they teach you this at the Minerone 2, and they go over it in the report that one of the things you have to be

careful of, but when you start on your journey and you go out there into these other dimensions, you will encounter intelligences and consciousnesses that are ancient, that are advanced, that are in many ways far superior to us, in other ways, far more juvenile. They're not going to be as emotionally usually developed and things like that. So you'll run into intelligences, what we call aliens, often. And a lot of times they're strange and sometimes they're scary. And so there's a lot of protection that you do before you go out and do these kinds of journeys. But yeah, that's a part that I think is a lot of fun because it explains so many different aspects of our reality.

It's just so, so fascinating. First of all, gosh, just like 45 different questions that pop in my head while you're talking about all that. And what's funny is this happens often here, Jordan. And just a side note, I usually kind of prepare like a whole list of questions, right? and just, you know, some topics that I want to try to touch on. And what typically ends up happening is someone says something, and I go off into like 20 different questions based off of that one thing, and that list is damned.

And that pretty much has happened right now. So we'll see what else I can get to. But based off what you just said there, I didn't know, actually, that you are a personal experiencer. And actually, on that note about my list of questions, one of my questions for you was, are you an experience? or have you had experiences? And I didn't know that about your background.

So I appreciate you bringing that up. So in that aspect of not just theoretical, right? Like, I'm all theoretical. I'm an observer. I am, you know, I investigate everything. I try to put, I try to make sense of it and I ask the questions. I presented, I asked the questions. I've never had these experiences.

Now, you have. You've gone and studied. You've done the dirty work, so to speak, and you've lived these things. So what is that like? you're going through these different, I guess, planes of reality, if you will. I know Edgar Casey spoke about this a lot. He's a huge influence on why I even started this show almost five years ago. So when you're going through that, who and what are you seeing?

I'll start there. Because we say aliens, right? And I think that's smart that you bring that up. Aliens, literally the definition is something foreign. It's alien to us. So when we say aliens, what type of aliens, quote-unquote, are you coming across in your own travels, I suppose, through consciousness? You know, so that's an important thing you just mentioned is like what is an alien? Because people talk about all the time.

And even like at the government side, they're constantly rebranding it. You know, is it NIH? Is it alien? Is it extraterrestrial, interdimensional? So if you look at there's basically two states of being. There's a lot, but there's two main ones. Let's simplify it. There's physical and non-physical.

We would be in the physical reality right here. Me and you, we are our consciousness, which is non-physical, is in these physical bodies right now. I believe streamed in the same way you stream a radio signal into a radio, our brains being the antenna. But regardless of that, we're in the physical realm right now. We're locked into this. We're looking at it through this VR headset of a body, and we're very convinced that this is physical matter reality. You know, I knock on the table and it makes a sound. My hand doesn't pass through.

This is physical matter reality. Now, in the physical universe, there's a lot of places. I mean, the physical universe is huge. There's tons of planets, tons of, you know, moons, tons of objects out there, tons of places for life to exist. And I do believe there's lots and lots of life in the physical universe. Now, that life is very spread out and very hard for, you know, life forms to physically go from one place to the other.

But it doesn't mean it can't happen, and I'm sure it does at times. But what happens more prevalently is non-physical connection and travel. So when you're in a non-physical state, when you, like how we learn to do in a meditative state to sort of pull your awareness, your conscious awareness out of your body. And when you do that with enough intensity and you can really, you know, remove it from your, you know, kind of like taking off the VR headset. And you remove that and we visualize it just as a ball of pulsating light, you can move that around. and you can go places and do things unobstructed. And you don't have to worry about time, space, you know, travel distances, that kind of stuff. Okay, now when you do that, we just kind of go places.

We don't really know where we're going or what we're doing. Some people are more, you know, experienced on this, but, you know, the average person are just kind of like, you're just kicking open doors and staying high. And you never know what you're going to run into. The Minerone 2 at least helps us, it maps it out, and you go into certain focus levels that take you to particular ranges of dimensions. But still having said that, you know, you have a wide range of experiences

with these non-human intelligences. That's exactly what they are. They're intelligences, but they're not human. So a lot of times, you're not really seeing, you're seeing in your mind's eye, basically what you assume they look like or maybe they're even projecting something into your mind. I don't know.

I don't think that even really happens all the time. I think that most of the time we're just kind of putting a picture there, you know, to make sense of it. For me, in the non-physical realm, you know, I had multiple encounters with different intelligences, and they usually would appear human-like, you know, that's when I'm talking to them and they're talking to me and we're interfacing. They have a glowing, humanoid kind of a appearance, you know, and that's what I think is reflected in a lot of the literature and experiencers and stuff is almost this angelic kind of a sense.

I don't know if they actually look like that or if that's just how our brain you know, kind of fill in the gaps our consciousness. But that's how a lot of times they appear whenever we're having conversations and communication and stuff. But, you know, in the, I guess in the physical realm, you know, I've had, you know, I've seen in front of my face a metallic sphere, you know, go into the ocean here in Florida. Couldn't have been more than 50 feet away from me, middle of the day. I've seen a UFO.

I have video of it right over my head here in Florida. We had we've had orbs in our house multiple times. We've had many, many orb experiences outside of the house. We've had shadow beings in the house. We've had shadow beings in our bed. We've had shadow beings in our room. We've had all that kind of paranormal type stuff. And even that, it's like hard to even classify that because it's like, okay, well, what is that?

Is that just a non-physical being that's coming into your physical reality and leaving some sort of a disturbance behind? you know, almost like when you walk by someone and wind goes by them. You know, at the Monroe Institute, we had paranormal experiences there. We had a big foot siding, which I did a whole video on. We had, um, orbs, gore. We had, um, you know, almost everybody there had a visitation in their room, you know, um, all these kinds of things. I mean, so basically when you put yourself into that realm, that you're kind of tuning your

your dial into a different frequency, into a different, you know, state. you know you're kind of opening your bandwidth i guess um all sorts of things start happening and and it's kind of like you know they say when you look into the stare into the abyss the abyss stares back kind of a thing um i i was told by mystic one time they said you know when you're curious about the universe the universe becomes curious about you and and that's what i found is that the more i put myself out there the more i engage with the phenomenon um the more you know like i went out to the mountains and colorado and did a c5 thing on the top of a mountain just to like just really poke at the universe and be like, what's going on out there?

When you do that, things happen, you know, and wild things happen. So I know, I don't know, even though if I answered your question, I know that was a smorgish borg of crap, but it's kind of how it feels sometimes. It's like, you know, I went to like two years ago, I was like contact in the desert and we stayed in this awesome little hotel in Palm Springs. And me and my wife were in the hotel, and the next day we came out to the pool side and had a coffee and this lady came up to us. And she's like, dude, there was a UFO over your room.

last night and I put the video on X, I have a video, it was awesome video. And it was literally a glowing orb inside of a transparent cube that was floating right over our room while we're asleep. And she recorded the whole thing and dropped it to me. So, I mean, that stuff just, it happens all the time. It's crazy. Well, first of all, I was at contact in the desert for the first time last year. So if we both go again this upcoming year in 26, I'd love to meet up with you there.

So just throw that out there. Yeah. I'll be there. Yeah, perfect. So we'll talk on the side about that. But when it comes to the experiences you're talking about, what really, I guess, catches my attention just personally is the amount of other experiences that I've, or experiences that I've spoken to who talk about what you have said. Orbs inside transparency, you know, squares or cubes. out-of-body experiences, shadow figures, these extremely vivid dreams where these things are happening to you in a dream state. Sometimes you can control it. Sometimes you can't. Sometimes it's just

happening to you while you're dreaming and then you come back into your body. It's amazing how many times I've heard these stories from people, by the way, different parts of the world. I've heard these stories from people in Australia, from people in Europe, from people in America, South America, Central America, and now you talk about it. So I think what just kind of really catches my attention there is the universal experiences that people have with this. It can't be an accident. Obviously, something is there.

But why is it, why do you think something, why do you think these things are happening to people when they don't try to make them happen, right? Because you went to the Monroe Institute. You wanted to investigate these things. You experienced them. You learned how to channel it. But other people haven't done. done that, but yet it happens to them. So how do we reconcile those two sides, do you think?

So you're basically asking, you know, why are people having these experiences even when they're not intending to? Yeah. You know, like, like I'm going out there trying to have these things happen to me. I'm like a guinea pig because I'm just curious. I had a near-death experience six years ago and I almost died and it, my near-death experience was very revealing to me because it revealed that I was more than my physical body, you know, I left my body and all these things happen. So when I came back, I was like, I need to figure out. Like, what is this place? Like, what, what is everything? And so it sent me on this journey. So, so yes, I'm just like, I'm in bonus time. I'm in extra innings. So I'm just like, hey, let's go have some fun. Like,

let's see what this place is and what it's all about. And so yes, I put myself out there, these things happen to me. And your question is basically, okay, cool. So strange things happen to me because I'm inviting it. But like, why are strange things just happening to unsuspecting people? Right. Right. Yeah. They're just kind of chilling. And all of a sudden, boom like an orbs in their house or an alien drops in front of them like why and basically the reason is most of existence is non-physical we're in the physical world um only according to professor robert temple he wrote an amazing book called the new science of heaven about 99% of all reality is non-physical we're so we're we're in this physical dimension where when you come in at a

consciousness level you get this full memory wipe you forget everything that happened before you're blind to everything outside of you. And that's all part of the, it's like a training simulator that we're in. So you have to be blind to everything so you can focus on the task at hand. So we're kind of deafdom and blind in here. But outside of this physical matter reality, there is all sorts of different worlds and dimensions and intelligences and life forms and stuff like that, right? So going back to the analogy of the ocean, say we're just chilling on a boat, you know,

just hanging out on the boat, you know, you're on top of the water. you're looking around, you might think, okay, there's nothing in that water. We're on top of the boat. I don't see anything. You know, we're on top of the water. All of a sudden, a big whale comes out of the water. And you're just like, holy crap, what was that? Like, where did that come from? That's kind of how, like, most of these encounters are.

They just kind of come out of nowhere. We can't make sense of it. They go back down to their density, back to where they came from. And none of it makes any sense because it's very quick and fleeting. Because they can't really exist in our place, the same way a whale can't hop out of the water and run around on land. So it's real quick. so we get glimpses and it confuses us.

So to answer your question, why are people getting these glimpses? So if you think about it, like we're like a tuner. Our body is a tuning instrument. We tune consciousness into our body. So we're perfectly tuned to accept our consciousness and we're perfectly tuned to operate in this world. It's kind of like a submarine in the water. It's very, you know, your consciousness comes in to this body and it's very safe there.

But sometimes it can hop out of the submarine. When I hops out of a submarine, it's going to see all sorts of crazy stuff that is not used to sing. Well, the way you hop out of the submarine is generally, through this like hypnagogic state. So that's why a lot of times things happen right for bed. Right before you're going to sleep, your body starts phase changing. It starts changing from this consciousness awareness state into these different states of consciousness.

At the Monroe Institute, we learn how to alter our state of consciousness, and a big part of it is altering our waking state of consciousness to mimic the sleeping state of consciousness. Because when you're in the sleeping state, it's when you're more tuned in to these other realities and other dimensions because you're tuning out of the physical matter reality because your body's going to sleep. So it doesn't need to be tuned into it anymore. So it detunes from this reality and it tunes into other realities.

That's why in your dreams, you go places. You actually go to different places. You know, it's not just imagination or hallucination. So when people are in that hypnagogic state, that theta brainwave state right before bed, that's when a lot of these things happen. That's the most of them. Now, in your waking life, things can still happen because sometimes you just, phase shift. There's different things. There's like external things that can happen. I mean,

different vibrations and noises, sounds in nature, riding in a car, if the car is is bouncing at a certain frequency or maybe there's a sound coming from one of the wheels at a certain repetitive frequency for long enough, it can get you to phase change. Different things in nature can do it. Sounds from insects and things like that can do it. Just being in different states of consciousness, like in a meditative state can do it, in a daydreaming state can do it, because at that point, you're just,

you're turning your radio dial to different stations. And then there's also just the outside, or chance that these craft, these beings, these intelligences, things like that, purposely, you know,

they change their phase into our reality, you know, as for all sorts of different purposes, sometimes just for fun, sightseeing, like we're like a zoo. And other times, you know,

for different specific, purposes but but there's a range of things happening but yeah you can be completely unsuspecting not trying to have an experience and it can happen either because you changed your station and sort of picking up something else or something else changed its station to purposely come into your reality yeah wow um it's it's really interesting you know to think of it that way as far as like i think the the ocean analogy is is a really um i guess it's a vivid one that that kind of really paints that picture of like, you know, where things lie, where we are, you know, that surface level, we think that might be it, but there's so much under there that we can't see.

With that in mind, though, too, what, I guess kind of going back to something you said earlier, like, what are aliens? What, what are they, right? We're talking about beings that look like us or angelic beings or. So we talk about all these different types of beings when it comes to the NHI discussion. When we hear about Nordics, we hear about Greys. and reptilians and paladians, or is it angels and demons? How do we reconcile all of those together? Do you think, Jordan, just based off of your experiences

and what you've heard, what you studied, things that you've gone through yourself? Yeah. So it's so interesting because Earth is way different than we're told it is. There's, you know, I look at it as a simulator for consciousness development and we're, we have a current model of human that we use, but there's been other models of humans in the past. and there will be other models of humans in the future.

And this is just like a VR headset for our consciousness to be able to use to come into this physical reality. So a lot of what we see on Earth are terrestrial. You know, it's kind of the ultra, you know, terrestrial hypothesis that these aliens aren't from other places or from here. Now, it gets really interesting because, you know, 80% of documented, according to Mufon data, 80% of documented encounters on Earth

happened between what we would call grays or Nordic. Those are the two most common ones. Right. Then it goes into other, you know, types of beings. But gray's in Nordics. And when you look at Greys and Nordics and you really try to figure out, okay, what are Greys in Nordics? You know, like Dr. Michael Masters, he's pretty much convinced that grays are some sort of future lineage of humans, more than likely. Or some sort of a future hybrid of humans and something else, probably humans and some sort of synthetic AI type of a thing.

When you look at what we'd call the Nordics, which just basically is a word to classify these, like humanoid beings that are usually tall, a lot of times described as like long hair, a lot of times described as fit, beautiful, kind of angelic type beings. So they look like they would be what we would call a future human as well. And I actually have this theory, I call it activated versus augmented, where basically the grays are kind of like,

it's like if we bifurcated our path and we went in two different directions. The grays are kind of a negative timeline for future humans where we augment ourselves beyond connection with source and the spiritual connection and we kind of get trapped in this physical plane, right? And that's why you see a lot of these grays are coming, it seems like they're coming back in time. They're not traveling here from other planets.

It seems like they're literally submerging through time layers to get here to kind of reverse engineer what went wrong with them and set themselves on a better path. It seems like they have gone this path of augmentation where they have severed their connection to source, They, they're studying humans because they don't, it looks like they're studying humans at a consciousness level. They embed themselves in our dream state. They try to evoke emotions.

They're studying us at a consciousness level. I think to try to engineer this thing that they've lost. Because if you think about it, if 99% of reality is non-physical and we're in this little physical simulator, you're not supposed to stay here forever. It'd be like playing a VR game and just keeping the headset on forever. That's not life. That's not base level of reality. So what if these, these synthetic? grayes are trapped in this physical realm and they're actually trying, like we talked about before,

you know, they're on this top layer and they're trying to get back down to source, what they call the absolute. And they need humans because humans have that natural connection and they're trying to reverse engineer that natural connection. That's where I see with the grays. So in that case, grays wouldn't be aliens necessarily. And some people argue and say there's different types of grays and all that. I know it gets very complex.

But generally speaking, when you go off of the. the experience or data, most of the gray experiences happen in a sleep type state. Most of it happens at this sort of consciousness level. It really seems like they're studying. They're very calculating. They're like surgical and their precision. They don't seem to be really, and I know people say that there's like hybrid armies being created, all this kind of stuff.

I understand it. It gets very deep with all that stuff. But most people that describe their gray encounters, it's very much like a medical checkup type of a thing. It's like they're studying something about humans. And I don't think they're studying us at a physical level. I think they're studying us at a consciousness connection level. And so anyways, so that answer is that, or it doesn't answer, but that's my kind of theory on that part of, okay, these aren't necessarily, when we talk about aliens, these could be biological, synthetic hybrid type robots from the future that are literally coming back in time to try to fix a part in their path that deviated them from their natural connection to the.

the non-physical. So that's that. So they wouldn't necessarily be aliens, right? They're more like us than we want to admit. And then when you get to like the Nordics, it really seems like they are humans of some sort, you know, either from our ancient past, like a different lineage of humans that maybe survived a cataclysm or reset and they, you know, went inside the earth or something like that, that breakaway civilization theory. That's very, very likely. Or there are future humans that are are coming back in time to, you know, kind of connect timelines and sort of change things at like a timeline manipulation level. And then in that case, they wouldn't really be aliens either. They would be humans, just not from this time epoch. So, and that accounts for 80% of encounters

on Earth. So it makes you really rethink what an alien is at that point. Yeah, it really does. And it also kind of makes you think about where, like, you know, where are they coming from? And, you know, that's always a big point of topic, which is, well, are they coming from an outside planet, an external, you know, source, a galaxy? Are they bending space time to, you know, like an Einstein Rosenbridge type thing where they're traveling through time and space to get here quicker? How do you travel across millions, millions of light years in order to get here? You know, the old theory of, well, if they're so smart and they travel through space, why do they crash? So, you know, it could be explained with what you're talking about, Jordan, which is they're not necessarily possibly coming from an external source. Like we think about where they're flying through space, they could be coming from different planes.

And they're phasing in and out. And they have some type of awareness or technology or a mix of both to be able to come in and out of these different planes of where they are and where we are. but it's all earth. Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, at least accounting for the 80%, I definitely think so. You know, it's like going back to the sea, you know, analogy, that whale, like if you're in that boat

chilling on the top of the ocean and that whale comes out from underneath, that whale was right below you the whole time. You just didn't know it. You know, and then it broke the surface. It broke that plane. And I think that's how a lot of the stuff is, is that it's more, I think we're going to find that a lot of these UFOs are actually, instead of flying here, they're submerging.

They're submerging through densities of different dimensions. And they're sort of, we're in a dense layer and they're sort of submerging down to us as opposed to flying here. And I think that once you learn how to cancel inertia, you're able to really kind of use, you know, time as like a coordinate on a map as opposed to like going to a place, you can go to a time. And I think that's what what these advanced crafts do. is they travel time. They don't travel distance. And by time, right, right, exactly. And by time, we kind of mean just that not linear, right?

And we spoke about Edgar Casey earlier. He said time is not linear. And so if we talk about that or think of it that way, we're talking about not necessarily like, you know, Doc Brown and Marty McFly going through traveling through time and a Delorean, but mainly more going through what we perceive as time, but it's actually these different planes of reality. Yeah, it's so super fascinating because this is where it gets really mind-bindy.

Which is fun. I mean, this is fun for me. So hopefully everyone's enjoying it. It's probably closer to the truth of what aliens and UFOs are than anything else. Is that I personally don't think that we can travel to the quote-unquote future because I think the future is probabilistic. I think that it's, it's, there's these pathways. There's possibilities.

And each possibility has a probability assigned to it. basically the way function collapses when you make a decision and basically the highest probability is what you select. So you can go to a probable future, but I don't think you can go to an absolute future. Having said that, say something is from our quote unquote future. You say, okay, well, how can it be in our future if you can't go to the future? Well, that would just mean that we are in its past. That doesn't mean that it's in our future. And I know that gets really confusing, but you can, there's no way I can always say this without sounding crazy.

But, um, no, do it. I'm all for it. Let's go. So like my wife, for example, as is a hypnotherapist, she does past life regression. So we know that we have past lives. We know it. Unequivocally, we've proven it. We've gone to them. We know that we have past lives. We can visit them. So in that past life, when you go there to that past life, you feel like you're there. You, you, you kind of take on the emotion. It gets emotional. It's real. I mean, it's realer than real sometimes. Now, when you go out of that past life, back to this life, you're essentially going into the future. You're traveling into the future. That past life doesn't know future you exist because in its world, this is the future.

So see what I'm saying? So you can time travel that way and it's just relative. So you're not to that past life, you're not necessarily going to the future. You're just the future you is going to the past. So these beings that are, and I know this gets very mind-mending, but these beings that might be coming back in time to us is when they return, they're not going to the future. They're just going to their present. So we have to relook at time. And a lot of this borrows from the block universe theory, which kind of posits that all points in space and time are connected and that basically everything's already happened. But we're on this like choose your own adventure thing. And we sell free will and we still get to choose our own adventure and choose our own future timeline. But in a weird way, when you

extract when you zoom out, all those future timelines have already happened in a weird way, because everything that can happen basically will happen in this block universe kind of style. So there's a chance that these UFOs, these aliens, are visiting us from the future, which is their present, but it's our future. So it doesn't even violate like really general relativity. It just violates the way that we look at at linear time. Yeah. Wow.

And like you said, Bendy. I mean, this conversation is Bendy. I'm not sure about time, but this conversation for sure, but it's fascinating, which I love. And I appreciate you going to all these different places, which is why I was looking forward to speaking about these things. And that's where we're going to leave off for now on this conversation with myself and Jordan Crowder. So that will do it for part one. Can't wait to bring out part two to you in the next couple of days.

Before I get to that, I just want to say to a little disclaimer that I forgot to mention in the beginning of the episode during my intro. We recorded this before the NASA conference covering 3-Ey Atlas. I want to mention that, actually. I should have mentioned it at the beginning because maybe there was something said that I haven't heard yet as I record this, this episode, that NASA is going to have that conference covering 3-A Atlas talking about what they found out, all the things that they couldn't talk about because of the government shutdown, according to their own reporting, that now they are.

are willing to come out and talk about because the government shutdown ended. So this entire thing here for this part one was recorded before that NASA press conference. Now, for part two, if there was anything interesting, maybe that you already know that I don't know yet as a record. I'll be able to cover that in part two. And we'll see what they said if there was something that gives us confirmation of something one way or the other. But I just wanted to put that disclaimer out there. We have not heard anything from that conference yet as this part one is being recorded. But man, so much to really consider there for that part one.

Going back actually to 3-Eye Atlas, I was really excited to get that take out there from Jordan because, again, I had never heard that before. He is such an outside the box thinker and observer, and I shouldn't have been surprised that he gave a completely different take on Atlas than anyone else is given when it comes to how it's moving in retrograde, and what that might mean for any type of, you know, unforeseen big shifts in the way that our lives go. I did not know that these other big events corresponded to the other interstellar objects. So super interesting take there.

Now, does that mean something is going to happen because of 3-I Atlas, some type of, you know, awakening or shift or black swan event? I don't know, whatever you want to call it. No, it doesn't mean that. But it is interesting to think about that. Well, it happened twice. Is something going to happen a third time? Is this all a coincidence?

I don't really boil things down to coincidence. I think that's kind of a cop-out sometimes. But it is just something fun to consider that will we see something come of this because of Atlas? Or is it completely unrelated? I don't know. Time remains to be seen on how that's going to turn out. But pretty interesting there to think about for sure. And then to hear about his own experiences at the Monroe Institute, you know,

talking or learning from Joe McMonicle himself. In fact, actually in part two, we pick up right where we left off there. And I ask him about his own personal experiences with Joe McMonagel, the most prolific remote viewer, maybe aside from Edgar Casey of all times. So really cool to hear kind of like that firsthand experience that he had with Joe McMonigle. And we're going to talk about that in part two, along with so much more. I mean, part one was deep, part two is deep as well. so I can't wait to bring that to you in the next couple of days. So stay tuned to make sure you're downloading and subscribing to UAP wherever you get your podcasts.

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or through email, S-D-N-R-U-A-P at g-mail.com, S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at g-M-L-com. But, yeah, a lot to take in there from part one with myself and Jordan Crowder. So much fun to discuss all this and to consider what all this means, you know, what are aliens, what kind of alternate theories can we throw out there? How do they manipulate time possibly as a coordinate, but not as what we think of time as? I mean, there's so much here to think about.

And of course, what he saw himself in his own journeys, if you will, that he went through during his training about seeing these other beings, about seeing other intelligences that were non-human. And I've heard that from other people, you know, that when they go on these journeys, they come across these other planes of reality and see loved ones or they see other beings. You know, how or why does that happen? maybe it kind of goes back to what Jordan was talking about there and what we're theorizing during that part one. So just really, really fascinating stuff. I enjoy that conversation so much. And I can't wait for you to hear part two as well. So until then, like I said, stay tuned, continue to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast and follow along on social media.

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