UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Interview W/Anthony Williams continued - Disclosure Deadline & more

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

Stephen Diener concludes this in depth interview discussing what Anthony found relating to a possible planned out timeline on disclosure, his knowledge regarding UAP activity around Eglin AFB, Eisenhower's "treaty" with the Grays, and why no one is talking about recent mass sightings over secret US nuke sites. All this and more...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I just needed to get my ducks in a row with this because there was so much information in this interview that we had together that I really felt it was better suited if we split it up into two different parts. And I think you'll feel that way, too, once you're all done with it. So hopefully you got to hear part one. If not, you can listen to it out of order. That's okay. Part one, we covered a lot with Jason Sands. And just really some exclusive behind the scenes, you know, detail, intel, information, whatever you want to say, that only Anthony could give being that he worked

with Jason and knew the story. So really, again, I use the word unique a lot, but it really was. I think that's probably the best word to describe it was a really unique insight and look at everything surrounding Jason Sans and his story and him as in his background and everything. So if you didn't get to hear that one, I absolutely you suggest listening to it. But again, you can hear it before this if you like because it still kind of connects. So what we're going to get into here today in part two as we conclude this interview, really as equally as informative and important, but on a different level.

because Anthony just gives some fantastic insight on his, I guess, analysis, since he is an analyst, his analysis on what he sees when he looks at these videos that he views of UAP and these craft that cannot really be explained by, you know, the U.S. military. And that's one of the things that he does in his job as he looks at these videos and tries to understand what they're seeing. He's one of the people that does that. but he talks about some of his videos and says, you know, what's manmade, what's not. So we get into a little bit of that.

A timeline on disclosure, which I found very interesting. Anthony has some information on that, that, you know, sheds as much light as he can on it, but really intriguing. I didn't expect him to get into that, but you're going to hear about a little timeline, possible timeline on disclosure. So some information on that. And what I spoke about, too, in as a little timeline. at the end of part one, which is really still sticking with me because I just don't get why this isn't a bigger deal.

But we talk in depth about these giant black triangle craft that are, they are being seen. I mean, as we speak, it's been over a period of months since nothing new. But as far as, you know, aircraft flying over or some type of craft flying over nuclear installations, we've heard this many times throughout the decades. Of course, Robert Salas back in the 60s has this story with the Malmstrom Air Force Base. So these aren't new happenings, but the fact that this one that is happening right now is not being talked about except right here. So Anthony, we get into detail about that. And I posted a video about that as well.

I kind of mentioned that I was able to verify that is happening. Of course, Anthony gives the information. So I believe it because he has firsthand, you know, information on this stuff, but I was able to verify it with a secondary source as well, someone that, again, I'm not going to name names on who I was able to verify with, but it's somebody that is very credible that is known in this community, very well known, but I just don't want to give any names because I don't want to betray any trust there on any personal conversations that I'm having, but just, I just wanted to say that because I want to

highlight that these sightings are taking place and no one's mentioning them. So there's a lot to get to here in part two, and much more. We get into the Egglin Air Force-based sidings with Matt Gates. There's a lot what the government's doing. So I'm just going to get into it now. I'm going to stop talking about it. You can listen right here, right now, the conclusion of my interview with Anthony Williams, part two, if you will, right here on UAP. Do you think this might be an unfair question to ask, but heck, I'll ask it anyway, do you think that there's any truth or validity to the story of President Eisenhower, at that point, President Eisenhower where he had that meeting in Palm Springs I believe with the

Great's and I think it was 1950 early 1950s I believe because the reason why I asked that was because we're talking about you know cooperation between US government and extraterrestrials that they say that cooperation started can be traced back to this supposed meeting between President Eisenhower and the Grays where they had this agreement, this treaty of, you know, sharing technology, sharing information, you can work here, blah, blah, blah. We can do this back and forth with each other. Do you think there's any validity?

And would that be the genesis of something like this that Jason came across, you know, 40 years later from that point? Yeah, you know, when I look at treaties and why we have treaties, why are government science treaties, like we have, we have anti-personnel mine treaties. We have, you know, nuclear non-proliferation treaties. We have all these different treaties. And they're established because, you know, I respect your country. Your country respects my country from our ability to, you know, do whatever the treaty is about.

So we need to come to an agreement that we are going to do something or we're not going to do something. I would think that if a treaty, I think treaty is a commonly used word. but my guess is, so one, I think that that thing with Eisenhower is very plausible. I think it's probably much less a treaty as it is, hey, we're going to do X, Y, and Z, and we'll agree to stay under the radar so you can, you know, you know, still exert governance over your countries and, you know, your, your civilization. but we're going to be doing our thing. I don't know that any entity that is either coming from another dimension or from another, you know, planet outside our, you know, solar system.

I don't know that they would need to ask our permission or sign a treaty for anything. If they can do that. But is there a case to be made that there was an agreement made? Absolutely. You know, and I think stories like the Dulce base, you know, just have a lot more credibility when we see all these videos of things coming in and out of water, flying down into caves, you know, doing all these different things. And Jason's story, again, finding an entity here on earth in a military area. you know, it just lends, to me, it's another story that has to do with government location, non-human intelligence, and, you know, it just makes those things like the Eisenhower Treaty a little bit more plausible than they would be before. It makes the things like the Dulce base a little bit more plausible than they were before.

You know, when I see videos of UAP flying down into a cave and never coming out in the middle of nowhere, it's like, okay, what's that? What's that about? What's that thing doing? You know, it's just another, it's another feather in the hat, you know, that lends more credence to some of these stories. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brook Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy-to-run email and social media campaigns.

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That's Shopify.com slash UAP. Actually, it's funny, you kind of read my mind again, Anthony. I wanted to ask you, how many of those videos are you coming across, right? So we talked about Jason Sands. We talked about, you said, hundreds of people in the intelligence community have come forward in the private form to say, this is my experience. And there are experiences. I can't highlight that enough that you have hundreds of members in the U.S. intelligence community who are coming forward in a private form to say, I have had experiences, sightings, whatever it might be. of UAP.

And I think that's really important to put out there because we don't hear that. We don't usually hear those things. We just hear about the individual whistleblowers. And then guys like David Gresh will say, you know, there are other members in the community who haven't come out yet. So aside from the other hundreds of, you know, intelligence members, what kind of other, you know, things are you coming across, reports, videos? I mean, how often are you coming across these things and what do they look like?

Yeah. So there was another big dump of military video footage that, just came in of, you know, drone footage, aircraft footage, not previously seen, you know, of a whole bunch more UAP activity. And we're starting to see much better reporting, at least from the Navy, on this. And they've been the best with the reporting anyway. But a whole bunch of more military footage coming out and being discussed and being captured, being shared within the community and at least seven more videos in the last month that I have

seen that I've never seen before that are much more recent within the last year. You know, and then even within the last two weeks, there have been a very large amount of activity, you know, in certain parts of the world that are being captured, that are at a pretty high level of classification. So I won't share it here. But there's a lot coming in. now. And, you know, I look at that from two lenses. Is it an increase of activity or are we just looking for it and reporting it more? I would say the answer is probably both. I think there is

an increase in activity. And I think we're also more willing to report it and discuss it. Do you find that concerning at all as far as why there would be an increase in activity? I don't know that I find it concerning. I find it interesting. I feel like we're building towards something. I came across a classified briefing that had a date of disclosure and after disclosure. It was a graduated timeline of different events, you know, that have taken place, some that will take place. And then on that arrow, traveling through time, the color of the arrow changes on the slide and we're in the post-disclosure timeframe. And the briefing, the slide briefing discusses catastrophic disclosure versus deliberate disclosure.

And, you know, there's a very near, a very near date of when disclosure on that timeline is. I don't remember if I've shared this with you offline. We've definitely been talking about it. me and my coworkers because it's one of those, you know, if I put it out there and it doesn't happen, you know, very similar to Jason Sands. Like you and I talked about him. It's like, hey, what if he just never reappears? James Fox dumps his documentary. We never hear from him again. You know, where does that leave us? You know, this disclosure date. I just, I wonder if all of, you know, these discussions, these things are happening very deliberate.

because there is going to be some sort of disclosure. You know, I don't know. Obviously, you can't get into that document too much, I assume, but that sounds pretty interesting, to say the least. Yeah, I, you know, I feel like, you know, a lot of people have speculated, are we being conditioned? Is this a sci-up? I feel like if we're ever going to roll something out,

the government would like it to not impact, you know, society and function. So it very well could be, you know, a very slow, deliberate, you know, disclosure, which I myself am not favorable for, you know, I think the majority, it's just like voting, right? The majority of people that vote, that choose to vote, you know, some of them do their homework. Then you have a lot of free gun in it, right? people like get in the ballot box and they see a name and they're like, I like that guy's name. I'll vote for him.

Right. You know, and that, that's just blindly firing a pistol into a crowd. Like you have no idea, you have no idea what you're aiming at. And, you know, I think there's a large portion of society that could handle disclosure. And I think there would be, I think there would be enough level heads that for the people that spiral out, you know, I think, I think society would not fall apart. So I'm on the side of the fence of disclosure, you know. I'm also of the opinion that I think even after disclosure, there would still be a huge part of the population that didn't believe it.

Because we know the government's been lying for this long. We know they lie about all sorts of stuff. That's one of the jokes in the intelligence community is that we work with a bunch of professional liars. It is ironic. It is ironic. But, you know, we're never in the business of lies. to ourselves, you know. I had a friend that used to say the 11th commandment is, you know, thou shall not jive thyself, you know, whatever story you're going to tell others, make sure

you're telling yourself the truth. And that's how I've always viewed the work in the intelligence community is we're going to be honest with ourselves, what we portray and what we allow out and what narrative we jump on strategically, that may be a different story. But we're going to be honest with what we're telling ourselves. So I say all that. to say, I have no idea if we're going to get disclosure rapidly or over time. But I would be in favor of rapid disclosure. What do you make of the recent talk from Congressman Mack Gates, Congressman actually in Florida, where I am.

He's up in the Panhandle area, though. He's talking about this UAP that he was shown at Eglon Air Force Base. He says, you know, he knows what he saw. And then the report comes out from Arrow and they're saying, no, he was just a balloon. He says it's not a balloon. and now they talk about possibly, I think it was Senator Gillibrand who came out recently and said, she's looking at another UAP congressional hearing or some type of hearing maybe in July. So what do you make of all this recent talk as far as the July timeline and some of the names that have been thrown out there?

And what Matt Gates is saying about, you know, what he was shown at Eglund. Yeah, well, that, I mean, that timeline fits in with everything else with that other graduated timeline I was talking about. So that makes sense. The Egglin report was one of about two dozen sightings in very recent time all around Eglin. I've seen the video. Absolutely. If that's a balloon, I'd give someone a million dollars to get a balloon to do that again.

Like, it's not a balloon. So you've seen the video. You've seen the craft that Matt Gates is talking about that Arrow says was a balloon. I don't know that I've seen that exact video, but I've seen multiple videos that have been captured around the Eglin area, and multiple incident reports that have come in from that area, even some without video, but just, hey, we saw it again. Here's that thing again. And, you know, these have been, you know, a lot of these sightings are from multiple pilots, multiple aircraft, multiple things, you know, to have arrow. A lot of times in these reports, you know, a description will say

a balloon-like shape. Well, that's, it's like the Tic-Tac. That is not a giant piece of candy. It's just a term used to describe, you know, what it looked like. Back in World War II, they called them flying propane tanks. You know, to say something is balloon-like in shape, that's just describing the shape. None of the pilots, none of the witnesses are saying, hey, saw it, don't know what it is, probably a balloon, you know, just floating through.

No one has said that. everyone believes that it was performing extremely in an unknown way. And it's the shape of a balloon. That's what people are saying. They're not saying, hey, there's an object. It's probably just a balloon. So for Arrow to come out and say that and write it off, Arrow and all of the organizations prior to them,

you know, none of them can explain, even Project Blue Book had hundreds of unexplained things that they never went back and addressed. Right. You know, and Arrow certainly put the whitewash on the topic, you know, and for what, for what means, you know, or for what, what justification did they have for doing that? You know, they want to talk about all the hundreds that they can write off. Cool. There's, there's, there's, there was a huge UAP spotted by hundreds and hundreds of people in Florida. and then one guy zoomed in and it was the Goodyear Blimp.

Right. Cool. We know what that is. There's no reason to talk about it. That doesn't discredit any other witnesses spotting and any other video. So let's get back to the ones that we can't explain. It's just so fascinating to think about, you know, what could we be dealing with, right? And if you had to guess when it comes to, I hate to use the word guess, because I know that's not your business.

But if you had to make an educated statement as far as what are we dealing with, is it a percentage of U.S. craft that are just being tested around these different bases? Or are we dealing with, you know, otherworldly craft? Or, you know, what is the percentage as far as a mix? Is it 50? 50? Is it 80% U.S.? 20% otherworldly? I mean, what is your read on that just based off of what you learn? I don't think any of the videos and any of the reports that that have come into us, I don't think any of those are human made, not one. They just don't have any, any characteristics or any sort of indication that we could replicate what we're seeing. None.

Now, of all of the witnesses all around the world that are seeing stuff, there's probably a good percentage of things that people are seeing that are experimental aircraft that are, you know, different things like that, that are explainable. But I would say that of the credible videos that we're seeing that we're looking at, none of them. I don't think any of them are made by human hands. And not one. It's amazing.

Can you talk about it all, Anthony, what you've seen recently? I know you said, you know, some of these videos are obviously highly classified and things like that. So whatever you can say is cool. Obviously, the one wants to get into any hot water as far as classified videos are concerned. But is there any type of descriptions you can give with some of the ones you can't talk about? Like, what are we looking at? Are we looking at, you know, the cigar shape, the tick-tac, you know, the terrain? Are they going to mountains?

Are they coming out of water? What are some of these things doing? Yeah, most of the videos that I've seen that are coming in. in lately are military footage capturing orbs similar to the Mosul orb, orbs traveling through areas. And it's accidental captures. When you see the drone aircraft or the military aircraft where they are, why they're there, a lot of times this thing just flies by and the camera operator is like, wait a minute, you know, And then they try to catch up to it.

You know, they're definitely not out there looking for those things. They're, they all have a different task that they're there for. And then these things are coming by. And I would say the majority of them in the recent dump are orbs. And we don't really know what those are. I mean, you know, we can say those are drones. I think Jason Sands actually mentioned that where he says, you know, he believes those might be drones, some of these orbs.

Yeah. And you and I have talked about that on previous, you know, on a previous discussion too, you know, why are we seeing orbs in one area and big huge pyramid triangles in another area and this over here and this over here? You know, we talked about the different vehicles for different things, you know, and so my guess is the orbs are a different type of vehicle for a different type of thing. And, you know, what makes way more sense is an autonomous sensor, you know, of sorts. You know, we liken it to a drone, you know, that just masses, mass is.

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and that is this giant's black triangle shape. shaped craft that was seen on two separate occasions flying over and correcting it from wrong by I believe it was Wyoming and Colorado towards secret nuclear installations. And this wasn't that long ago. We're talking late 2023, I believe in the area of October. The one of them was actually pursued by a blackcock or a Chinook. I forget which one, but it was pursued by U.S. military servicemen in a helicopter. And that has never been talked about.

I still, to this day, I was waiting to see if that report was going to be picked up by somebody, if it was going to be talked about on a different show, a podcast, was Ross Colhart going to cover it? Was Jeremy Colbelle going to cover it? No one's talked about it. You and I are the only people who have talked about those sightings. What the heck is that, and is there anything else that has been talked about since then? Yeah, and it wasn't just one incident. It's been happening multiple times, and it's not just one graft, unfortunately, it's three that are moving.

and yes, on the second incident, so when we got the IIRs, the incident reports, they put the first, the most recent ones from October and November out together. And the second one, they actually scrambled. It was two UH-1 super Hueys out to go, you know, investigate what is this thing?

Once the aircraft got up and was looking around, it spotted them and they, when the first aircraft, we actually have the aircraft conversation going back and forth, the first one radios the second aircraft and says, hey, are you seeing that? What is that?

And the other pilot comes back and says, I was just going to ask you the same thing. And as they start flying towards this thing that is parked stationary over nuclear missile silos, it gradually goes away. and leaves. And rotary wing helicopters are not super fast, even a super Huey or a Blackhawk.

You know, they're only flying 100 to 150 knots. They're not cruising supersonic. It's not like a fighter being scrambled. But it's something you can get up real quick and get to go look at something real quick, you know, if that's what you have. So, you know, obviously they were alerted. And if they thought it was adversarial, you know, they would have scrambled fighters. But that's not what got scrambled.

They put up the two helicopters. They had no idea what they were looking at. And then these things disappeared. For me, those incidents, and there have been multiple that are still happening over, you know, our nuclear, very sensitive sites. To me, that goes back to the conversation of they're obviously interested in our use of nuclear energy. nuclear weapons and, you know, our most sensitive areas. It's fascinating and startling all at once, honestly. I mean, are we talking, was this captioned on radar?

Anthony, was this something? Yes. It was. Yeah, visual and radar. So visually, visually reported by multiple, multiple witnesses. And then picked up on sensor equipment and then aircrafts, scramble to go, you know, make positive ID of what these things are. Unbelievable.

Well, we'll continue to look into that because, again, it's such an important story to me. Yes. You know, like, I know it is to you as well, but I just don't understand why we're not hearing about that. Well, when it's over a military installation, first of all, the only sensors are military, right? So there's no, there's no obligation to report that. Second of all, it comes down to, you know, what may be the concern with disclosure. What is the benefit that the Air Force gets from admitting this?

Hey, we had three aircraft fly right over our most sensitive areas. No idea what they are, where they came from, and they maneuvered into our airspace with impunity. Like, I don't know that we benefit from saying that. Yeah. Because it just raises more question and more concerned. And so, you know, that definitely, you know, it's more understandable why reports like that are not more readily available. Yeah, that's true. And they probably, if anybody, any news outlets, you know, hear about it, they probably squash it and they say, hey, look, just don't talk about this.

Yeah. The very first report came in from a local law enforcement individual who had a friend that worked on the base. He called him and said, hey, I just saw this thing. It is moving towards your base. Like, what is this? You know, is this military? What is this? So that was actually the first report on that.

Is Mufon, you know, is Mufon looking into this at all? Any other independent organizations? Yeah, it's on Newfork.org. And I don't know if Mufon's investigating it or not. I, you know, I don't know. Yeah, it's just unreal. So I'll get you out of here on this, Andy, because obviously we can keep talking.

I'm sure we'll catch up again at some point soon. And when we kind of compartmentalize everything, when we take into account Jason Sands and his story and all the sightings from all the unnamed, you know, the service members in the intelligence community who haven't come out, who, you know, I'm sure they all have their own reasons. Then we talk about what Matt Gaetz has said, what Congress is saying, all the sightings we talked about, verifiable sightings that we just talked about there, you know, with military and police saying we see this giant black triangle. when you put all that together, how do you kind of reconcile all this and say this is what I'm dealing with?

Yeah, I mean, I'm comforted in the fact that these sightings are not new. They've been going on for decades, maybe centuries, but for sure decades. And I'm comforted by the fact that, you know, so far there seems to be zero negative impact on my life, my kids, my wife. So, you know, for me, that's how I reconcile that aspect of, you know, not being afraid of whatever this is. But the other aspect is, you know, it's a topic worth discussing. It's a topic worth investigating. And, you know, I just don't know that government, you know, most technological advances, you know, are, are pursued by government, but they're not created by government.

So I just, I feel like this topic holistically needs to be brought out to the, the broader community to really get the max brain power that we as a civilization have to offer to the subject. And, you know, and if there is an aspect, if there is a dark aspect, doesn't seem to affect most of our own day to day. You know, and people have speculated, well, what if there's a date on the wall and then an invasion and all this. None of that,

none of that qualifies as a topic to get any of my attention. Because it just doesn't affect me today, and there's nothing I can do about it anyway. So, you know, I don't see anything nefarious necessarily. There's a lot of reports of negative impact of human contact, and a lot of that seems incidental, not deliberate. it, you know, and there's a whole community of, you know, abductees that might disagree with me on that. But, you know, I think even if you look at the Dolce Bay, you know, it doesn't look like anyone, you know, wanting to pick a fight, but you stumbled where you shouldn't belong.

There are areas of U.S. military installations that if you cross the line, there's going to be gunfire back at you. And it's not, not personal, you know, it's just, it's just what it is. So, you know, I, that's how I wrap my mind around it. I think there's way too much evidence to write this off, you know, and just ignore the topic like some people would want you to do. So last, last, very last question, I promise. What is this? Is this something that's taken more seriously within the government, within the Pentagon than they let on? Because, you know, you got these government organizations that come out and say, oh, all we looked into and there's nothing to see here.

Is that basically a front? And is this taken a lot more seriously than we see in the public eye? This is taken way more serious than what the public is led on to believe. And when people say, no, we take it serious. We're encouraging people to report, you know, yada, yada, yada. That sounds great. But then we get a report from Arrow or we listen to Shankar Patrick. And it seems whitewash, nothing to see here.

Those two don't resolve each other. So we think it's important enough to get a lot of reporting and to do all this and to put money onto it, a lot of people. But there's nothing like those two don't, they don't wash out. That's not how we, that's not how anyone does business or aligns resources and time and effort. So yes, this is taken way more serious within government than what the, than what the public is made aware of for sure. Would that be just because of, you know, technology? of military, you know, U.S. safety, did they look at that as because it's more of a national defense type of thing? Or is I guess a little bit of everything? I don't know.

You know, that's a real good question, right? Like, what category does this fall in on? We use national security a lot to just hide information. You know, we say that about a lot of things that it's not necessarily honest. You know, so I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's a national security issue or if it's just a technology issue. I'm not sure which one of those is more true. Well, I guess the fact of the matter is there is an issue.

And there's still a lot of questions out there. But, man, it feels like more and more. Every time we have one of these discussions, it feels like more and more that snowball is beginning to build. It's getting bigger. and I think the next time we talk, it's probably going to get even bigger. So I look forward to the next time we get to talk on here. Absolutely. Yeah.

Again, thanks for having me on. And, you know, yeah, I'm hoping that at some point we're having a post-disclosure discussion. Yeah. Soon. Here, here. Anthony Williams, thanks so much. Again, always such a unique perspective and for answering these questions and for, you know, giving us your input on Jason's hands and the validity of him, his background, his story.

and so much more that we covered here during this interview. Just really fantastic stuff. I can't thank you enough. You're welcome. Again, thanks for having me. Absolutely. We'll talk again soon. Again, just so appreciative to Anthony.

Really, not even just for this interview because I think this might have been, we've spoken four or five times now on the air, much more off the air. But this might have been my most favorite interview with him and not to knock anything else that we've done in the past and the information he's been able to give. But I just felt like it was just, you know, home run after home run after home run of information that he was able to provide. It was just nonstop.

Wow, okay, I guess let me move on to the next question now because that one just kind of knocked me off my feet. So it was just one thing after the other. So that's why I'm just so appreciative to Anthony. To putting his trust in me, and I've told him this before off the air, but, you know, for someone in his sense, position to have enough trust to come to me. I didn't seek him out when this all started when him and I first started talking a couple of years ago. He came to me and said,

hey, look, you know, I want to have some conversations about some things you're talking about in your show. And it really just kind of evolved from there. And he's been gracious enough to come on the show, obviously under an assumed name. And I'll never ask him to use his real name until he's ready for that. And of course, I'll never give that out until he's ready for that. But to be able to be comfortable enough to come on the show and talk about these things. and be as open as he can without revealing any classified information, of course. And to give information, not to me.

It's not about me. It's to give information for you and for the disclosure movement to be able to come out and say, yeah, I'm going to talk about this stuff because I want to get this message out there. I know what's going on behind the scenes and I want to try to help in any way I can. So for him to feel comfortable enough to use me

and this show as a vessel to do that, I can't say thank you enough for the, that. It's an absolute honor. So hopefully you enjoyed both parts of this interview. There's much more to come on you AP and I'm not going to stop talking to Anthony. I'm sure we'll be talking again sometime in the future as well because there's always something going on behind the scenes that I want to keep you updated on. But so much more to come here on UAP. Actually next week, my interview with Ashton Forbes, my latest interview with Ashton is going to be coming out and it's really quite something. It always is when I

speak to Ashton, and boy, as the conversation surrounding MH370 and the videos that Ashton talks about, that has just absolutely gone to a different stratosphere as far as the attention that it's getting. So a lot that I cover with Ashton. A really great interview there that I look forward to hearing early on next week and much more to come throughout UAP as the days go on. One more special announcement that I want to throw out there. It's actually, I'm really excited about this. I will be attending I'm not a guest speaker or anything. Not yet, maybe next year. Who knows?

But I will be attending Contact in the Desert. If you know this world, you know contact in the desert is a massive conference convention with a lot of big-name speakers who are going to be there. So I will be attending that. Thank you to Dan Harari, the head of the

Hollywood Disclosure Alliance when I spoke to him last week in our interview together for putting that invite out there to me, for you know, bringing me into the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. So I really appreciate Dan's encouragement to come out there and experience contact in the desert. So I will be out there on Saturday, June 1st. If you're going, feel free to help me down and say hello.

I would love that. We can take a picture. We can have a conversation. Absolutely would love to meet any of you who are coming out to contact in the desert if you happen to be there on that Saturday, June 1st. I will be there with you. So outside of that, please continue to download and subscribe and rate you. the show wherever you get your podcast on Spotify or Apple, whatever platform that you use. Also check it out on YouTube. I'm posting more videos on YouTube of the interviews that I've done.

So these are the visuals of the interviews that I've done in the past. So if you'd like to see that, that's going on YouTube right there as well. At UA Podcast, at UA Podcast, at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter and social media. So just search that out. You can find me there on Twitter and on YouTube at UA Podcast and at UA Podcast 850. And of course, email. How can I forget that? S. Deeneruap at gmail.com. If you'd like to reach me directly outside of social media, it's S-Deneru-A-P at gmail.com,

S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at Gmail. And I think that covers all the bases. So that'll do it for this edition of UAP. Thanks so much for hanging out. And for listening to this, of course. It's always up to you what you make of it. But, man, I just thought that was such a great and fascinating interview. So thank you and to Anthony for stopping by

to cover all that. But until next time, Stephen Dean are here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Can't wait to talk to you again soon. So much great stuff coming up. I'll keep you updated as we go along. Until then, have a great day.

Happy Mother's Day, by the way, if you're listening to this before Mother's Day, I'll talk to you again soon. Thanks. Be well.